Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Hello again,
 
I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of a 
journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after 
%%
to the  {* *
in the following function:

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
{ volume embolden field.or.null
  number empty$
'skip$
%%{ ( number * ) * *
{* *

but the volume is still in bold. 
I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item besides 
this one:

FUNCTION {embolden}
{ duplicate$ empty$
{ pop$  }
{ {\bf  swap$ * } * }
  if$
}.
which is probably not the one I need. 

I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.

Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?


###additional info:
This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run latex 
3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References 
output:
Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on input 
line 
3730.

[61]
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.

Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.

(./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
The style file: kluwer.bst
Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi 
This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software 
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' - PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/tex.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmbx10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmmi10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmsy10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/texps.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/special.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/color.pro. 
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/symbols/msam10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplb8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplr8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplbi8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplri8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/helvetic/uhvb8a.pfb[1] 
[2] [3] [4] [5./Fig18-1Kal.eps] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps] [11] [12] [13] 
[14] 
[15] [16./Fig18-3.eps] [17] [18] [19] [20./Fig18-4.eps] [21] [22] [23
./Fig18-5.eps] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28./Fig18-6.eps] [29] [30] [31] 
[32] 
[33] [34] [35./Fig18-7.eps] [36] [37./Fig18-8.eps] [38] [39] [40] [41] 
[42./Fig18-9.eps] [43./Fig18-10.eps] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] 
[51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] 
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ 


 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
   On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
  
  I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
  
  
  
  [...]
  
  
  
  However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
  actually does'nt matter
  
  e.g.
  
  FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
  2002.
 
 This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
 the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
 
  but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
  
  but only:
  : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
  
  underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
 
 Try the attached modified file.
 
 Jürgen

-- 
-
Wolfgang Engelmann
Schlossgartenstrasse 22
D-72070 Tübingen
Tel 07071 68325

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:

FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
{ volume empty$
{  }
{ Vol. volume tie.or.space.connect
  series empty$
'skip$
{  of  * series emphasize * }
  if$
  volume and number number either.or.check
}
  if$
}

and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT

how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?

Wolfgang

 On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 
 Hello again,
 
 I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
 a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
 after %%
 to the  {* *
 in the following function:
 
 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
 { volume embolden field.or.null
   number empty$
 'skip$
 %%{ ( number * ) * *
 {* *
 
 but the volume is still in bold.
 I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
 besides this one:
 
 FUNCTION {embolden}
 { duplicate$ empty$
 { pop$  }
 { {\bf  swap$ * } * }
   if$
 }.
 which is probably not the one I need.
 
 I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
 lyx.
 
 Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
 
 
 ###additional info:
 This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run
 latex 3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References
 output:
 Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on
 input line
 3730.
 
 [61]
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.
 
 Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.
 
 (./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
 (see the transcript file for additional information)
 Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
 Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
 This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
 The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
 The style file: kluwer.bst
 Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi
 This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software
 (www.radicaleye.com)
 ' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' - PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/tex.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmbx10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmmi10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmsy10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/texps.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/special.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/color.pro.
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/symbols/msam10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplb8a.pfb
 
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplr8a.pfb
 
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplbi8a.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.
 pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplri8a.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/helvetic/uhvb8a.pfb
 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5./Fig18-1Kal.eps] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
 ./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps] [11] [12] [13]
 [14]
 [15] [16./Fig18-3.eps] [17] [18] [19] [20./Fig18-4.eps] [21] [22]
 [23 ./Fig18-5.eps] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28./Fig18-6.eps] [29] [30]
 [31] [32]
 [33] [34] [35./Fig18-7.eps] [36] [37./Fig18-8.eps] [38] [39] [40]
 [41] [42./Fig18-9.eps] [43./Fig18-10.eps] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48]
 [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61]
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$
 
  2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
  
On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
   Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
   
   I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
   
   
   
   [...]
   
   
   
   However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
   actually does'nt matter
   
   e.g.
   
   FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
   2002.
  
  This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just
  change the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
  
   but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
   
   but only:
   : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
   
   underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
  
  Try the attached modified file.
  
  Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
nbsp;
I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:
nbsp;
FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
{ volume empty$
{ quot;quot; }
{ quot;Vol.quot; volume tie.or.space.connect
  series empty$
   'skip$
   { quot; of quot; * series emphasize * }
  if$
  quot;volume and numberquot; number either.or.check
}
  if$
}
nbsp;
and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT
nbsp;
how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?
nbsp;
Wolfgang
nbsp;

I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your question 
there.

I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a bst file 
in such details.

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:

 
 I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
 question there.
 
 I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
 bst file in such details.
 
 Regards,
 
 bcsikos

Thanks, Csikos,

but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
become one?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
nbsp;
 
 I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
 question there.
 
 I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
 bst file in such details.
 
 Regards,
 
 bcsikos
nbsp;
Thanks, Csikos,
nbsp;
but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
become one?
nbsp;
Wolfgang

Well, that site was/is confusing for me too. But it has advantage too: you can 
post/ask question as a guest, don't have to register.

I try to explain what I know.

For example look at the follwong question:

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/37989/dissertation-how-to-customize-bst

Near to the top there is the title of the question, practically the question 
itself:

Dissertation: How to customize *.bst?

Below that you  see a number (currently 11): this number indicates how many 
people found this question useful (how many people voted it). Above and below 
the number the nib shaped arrow for voting up or down the question (up: you 
find it useful, down: you find it bad). There is tooltip for the arrows if you 
hover the mouse on them.

Below the question there are comments. These should not be answers, only 
additional information related to the question. You can add clarifying 
information to the question for example. After adding a comment, for a limited 
time you can change/edit your comment.

Below the comments ther are the answers. If there are several answers, they are 
ordered according to the numbers at their left side. The numbers here are also 
votes, indicating how many user found the answer useful. The most useful answer 
goes closest to the question. Each answer might have their own comments, 
similarly to questions.

Regarding etiquette: It is expected not to use greetings, signature, thank 
you etc., only write down your question/comment/answer. The author's name  is 
put there by the system, you don't have to include it.

If you want to ask a question, click the Ask question button (right side 
close to the top on the page).  You add your question title, and in the window 
below write your question.
If you want to add computer code start the it with 4 space and it will be 
presented as computer code. There are other formatting aids and help pages.
You have to add max 5 tags. You write the tag which triggers the system to show 
a list of tags to choose from.

Finally you click Post question

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

  Hello again,

  I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
 a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after
 %%

 to the {* *

 in the following function:



 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}

 { volume embolden field.or.null

 number empty$

 'skip$

 %%{ ( number * ) * *

 {* *



 but the volume is still in bold.

 I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
 besides this one:



 FUNCTION {embolden}

 { duplicate$ empty$

 { pop$  }

 { {\bf  swap$ * } * }

 if$

 }.

 which is probably not the one I need.



 I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.



 Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?


Try (untested)

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}

{ volume field.or.null

number empty$

'skip$

{ ( number * ) * *


(i.e., change volume embolden to volume).

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

Thanks, Jürgen,
works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the desired 
.bst file, but at the end got 
LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

Wolfgang
 
   Hello again,
   
   I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume
   of
  
  a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
  after %%
  
  to the {* *
  
  in the following function:
  
  
  
  FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
  
  { volume embolden field.or.null
  
  number empty$
  
  'skip$
  
  %%{ ( number * ) * *
  
  {* *
  
  
  
  but the volume is still in bold.
  
  I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
  besides this one:
  
  
  
  FUNCTION {embolden}
  
  { duplicate$ empty$
  
  { pop$  }
  
  { {\bf  swap$ * } * }
  
  if$
  
  }.
  
  which is probably not the one I need.
  
  
  
  I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
  lyx.
  
  
  
  Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
 
 Try (untested)
 
 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
 
 { volume field.or.null
 
 number empty$
 
 'skip$
 
 { ( number * ) * *
 
 
 (i.e., change volume embolden to volume).
 
 HTH
 Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:30:46 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
 On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
 Thanks, Jürgen,
 works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the
 desired .bst file, but at the end got
 LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
 Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

I found a way to do it in
http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-W%C3%B6rterbuch:_makebst

on the terminal
 tex docstrip
answer the questions as shown
\infileext=mbs
\outfileext=tex
\Options=bblbst
\filelist=merlin
\answer=n
a file merlin.tex is produced, which has to be renamed to babelbst.tex
This file can be edited 
and, editor etc. in the desired language
The file has to be placed in the same directory as the document
However, running the lyx document gives a number of errors such as
[9] [10] [11]
! Missing = inserted for \ifnum.
to be read again 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
I was expecting to see `', `=', or `'. Didn't.

! Missing number, treated as zero.
to be read again 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)

Weird !

I give up for the time being.

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Hello again,
 
I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of a 
journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after 
%%
to the  {* *
in the following function:

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
{ volume embolden field.or.null
  number empty$
'skip$
%%{ ( number * ) * *
{* *

but the volume is still in bold. 
I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item besides 
this one:

FUNCTION {embolden}
{ duplicate$ empty$
{ pop$  }
{ {\bf  swap$ * } * }
  if$
}.
which is probably not the one I need. 

I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.

Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?


###additional info:
This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run latex 
3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References 
output:
Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on input 
line 
3730.

[61]
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.

Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.

(./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
The style file: kluwer.bst
Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi 
This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software 
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' - PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/tex.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmbx10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmmi10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmsy10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/texps.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/special.pro
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/color.pro. 
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/symbols/msam10.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplb8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplr8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplbi8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplri8a.pfb
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/helvetic/uhvb8a.pfb[1] 
[2] [3] [4] [5./Fig18-1Kal.eps] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps] [11] [12] [13] 
[14] 
[15] [16./Fig18-3.eps] [17] [18] [19] [20./Fig18-4.eps] [21] [22] [23
./Fig18-5.eps] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28./Fig18-6.eps] [29] [30] [31] 
[32] 
[33] [34] [35./Fig18-7.eps] [36] [37./Fig18-8.eps] [38] [39] [40] [41] 
[42./Fig18-9.eps] [43./Fig18-10.eps] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] 
[51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] 
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ 


 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
   On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
  
  I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
  
  
  
  [...]
  
  
  
  However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
  actually does'nt matter
  
  e.g.
  
  FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
  2002.
 
 This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
 the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
 
  but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
  
  but only:
  : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
  
  underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
 
 Try the attached modified file.
 
 Jürgen

-- 
-
Wolfgang Engelmann
Schlossgartenstrasse 22
D-72070 Tübingen
Tel 07071 68325

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:

FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
{ volume empty$
{  }
{ Vol. volume tie.or.space.connect
  series empty$
'skip$
{  of  * series emphasize * }
  if$
  volume and number number either.or.check
}
  if$
}

and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT

how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?

Wolfgang

 On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 
 Hello again,
 
 I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
 a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
 after %%
 to the  {* *
 in the following function:
 
 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
 { volume embolden field.or.null
   number empty$
 'skip$
 %%{ ( number * ) * *
 {* *
 
 but the volume is still in bold.
 I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
 besides this one:
 
 FUNCTION {embolden}
 { duplicate$ empty$
 { pop$  }
 { {\bf  swap$ * } * }
   if$
 }.
 which is probably not the one I need.
 
 I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
 lyx.
 
 Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
 
 
 ###additional info:
 This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run
 latex 3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References
 output:
 Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on
 input line
 3730.
 
 [61]
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
 No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.
 
 Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.
 
 (./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
 (see the transcript file for additional information)
 Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
 Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
 This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
 The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
 The style file: kluwer.bst
 Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi
 This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software
 (www.radicaleye.com)
 ' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' - PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/tex.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmbx10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmmi10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmsy10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/texps.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/special.pro
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/dvips/base/color.pro.
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-
 dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/symbols/msam10.pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplb8a.pfb
 
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplr8a.pfb
 
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplbi8a.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.
 pfb
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/palatino/uplri8a.pf
 b
 /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/urw/helvetic/uhvb8a.pfb
 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5./Fig18-1Kal.eps] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
 ./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps] [11] [12] [13]
 [14]
 [15] [16./Fig18-3.eps] [17] [18] [19] [20./Fig18-4.eps] [21] [22]
 [23 ./Fig18-5.eps] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28./Fig18-6.eps] [29] [30]
 [31] [32]
 [33] [34] [35./Fig18-7.eps] [36] [37./Fig18-8.eps] [38] [39] [40]
 [41] [42./Fig18-9.eps] [43./Fig18-10.eps] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48]
 [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61]
 we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$
 
  2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
  
On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
   Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
   
   I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
   
   
   
   [...]
   
   
   
   However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
   actually does'nt matter
   
   e.g.
   
   FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
   2002.
  
  This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just
  change the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
  
   but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
   
   but only:
   : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
   
   underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
  
  Try the attached modified file.
  
  Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
nbsp;
I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:
nbsp;
FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
{ volume empty$
{ quot;quot; }
{ quot;Vol.quot; volume tie.or.space.connect
  series empty$
   'skip$
   { quot; of quot; * series emphasize * }
  if$
  quot;volume and numberquot; number either.or.check
}
  if$
}
nbsp;
and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT
nbsp;
how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?
nbsp;
Wolfgang
nbsp;

I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your question 
there.

I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a bst file 
in such details.

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:

 
 I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
 question there.
 
 I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
 bst file in such details.
 
 Regards,
 
 bcsikos

Thanks, Csikos,

but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
become one?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
nbsp;
 
 I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
 question there.
 
 I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
 bst file in such details.
 
 Regards,
 
 bcsikos
nbsp;
Thanks, Csikos,
nbsp;
but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
become one?
nbsp;
Wolfgang

Well, that site was/is confusing for me too. But it has advantage too: you can 
post/ask question as a guest, don't have to register.

I try to explain what I know.

For example look at the follwong question:

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/37989/dissertation-how-to-customize-bst

Near to the top there is the title of the question, practically the question 
itself:

Dissertation: How to customize *.bst?

Below that you  see a number (currently 11): this number indicates how many 
people found this question useful (how many people voted it). Above and below 
the number the nib shaped arrow for voting up or down the question (up: you 
find it useful, down: you find it bad). There is tooltip for the arrows if you 
hover the mouse on them.

Below the question there are comments. These should not be answers, only 
additional information related to the question. You can add clarifying 
information to the question for example. After adding a comment, for a limited 
time you can change/edit your comment.

Below the comments ther are the answers. If there are several answers, they are 
ordered according to the numbers at their left side. The numbers here are also 
votes, indicating how many user found the answer useful. The most useful answer 
goes closest to the question. Each answer might have their own comments, 
similarly to questions.

Regarding etiquette: It is expected not to use greetings, signature, thank 
you etc., only write down your question/comment/answer. The author's name  is 
put there by the system, you don't have to include it.

If you want to ask a question, click the Ask question button (right side 
close to the top on the page).  You add your question title, and in the window 
below write your question.
If you want to add computer code start the it with 4 space and it will be 
presented as computer code. There are other formatting aids and help pages.
You have to add max 5 tags. You write the tag which triggers the system to show 
a list of tags to choose from.

Finally you click Post question

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

  Hello again,

  I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
 a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after
 %%

 to the {* *

 in the following function:



 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}

 { volume embolden field.or.null

 number empty$

 'skip$

 %%{ ( number * ) * *

 {* *



 but the volume is still in bold.

 I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
 besides this one:



 FUNCTION {embolden}

 { duplicate$ empty$

 { pop$  }

 { {\bf  swap$ * } * }

 if$

 }.

 which is probably not the one I need.



 I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.



 Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?


Try (untested)

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}

{ volume field.or.null

number empty$

'skip$

{ ( number * ) * *


(i.e., change volume embolden to volume).

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

Thanks, Jürgen,
works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the desired 
.bst file, but at the end got 
LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

Wolfgang
 
   Hello again,
   
   I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume
   of
  
  a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
  after %%
  
  to the {* *
  
  in the following function:
  
  
  
  FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
  
  { volume embolden field.or.null
  
  number empty$
  
  'skip$
  
  %%{ ( number * ) * *
  
  {* *
  
  
  
  but the volume is still in bold.
  
  I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
  besides this one:
  
  
  
  FUNCTION {embolden}
  
  { duplicate$ empty$
  
  { pop$  }
  
  { {\bf  swap$ * } * }
  
  if$
  
  }.
  
  which is probably not the one I need.
  
  
  
  I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
  lyx.
  
  
  
  Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
 
 Try (untested)
 
 FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
 
 { volume field.or.null
 
 number empty$
 
 'skip$
 
 { ( number * ) * *
 
 
 (i.e., change volume embolden to volume).
 
 HTH
 Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:30:46 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
 On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
 Thanks, Jürgen,
 works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the
 desired .bst file, but at the end got
 LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
 Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

I found a way to do it in
http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-W%C3%B6rterbuch:_makebst

on the terminal
 tex docstrip
answer the questions as shown
\infileext=mbs
\outfileext=tex
\Options=bblbst
\filelist=merlin
\answer=n
a file merlin.tex is produced, which has to be renamed to babelbst.tex
This file can be edited 
and, editor etc. in the desired language
The file has to be placed in the same directory as the document
However, running the lyx document gives a number of errors such as
[9] [10] [11]
! Missing = inserted for \ifnum.
to be read again 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
I was expecting to see `', `=', or `'. Didn't.

! Missing number, treated as zero.
to be read again 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)

Weird !

I give up for the time being.

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Hello again,
 
I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of a 
journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after 
%%
to the  { " " " * *
in the following function:

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
{ volume embolden field.or.null
  number empty$
'skip$
%%{ "(" number * ")" * *
{ " " " * *

but the volume is still in bold. 
I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item besides 
this one:

FUNCTION {embolden}
{ duplicate$ empty$
{ pop$ "" }
{ "{\bf " swap$ * "}" * }
  if$
}.
which is probably not the one I need. 

I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.

Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?


###additional info:
This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run latex 
3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References 
output:
Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on input 
line 
3730.

[61]
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.

Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.

(./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
The style file: kluwer.bst
Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi 
This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software 
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' -> PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps








. 







[1] 
[2] [3] [4] [5<./Fig18-1Kal.eps>] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
<./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps><./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps>] [11] [12] [13] 
[14] 
[15] [16<./Fig18-3.eps>] [17] [18] [19] [20<./Fig18-4.eps>] [21] [22] [23
<./Fig18-5.eps>] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28<./Fig18-6.eps>] [29] [30] [31] 
[32] 
[33] [34] [35<./Fig18-7.eps>] [36] [37<./Fig18-8.eps>] [38] [39] [40] [41] 
[42<./Fig18-9.eps>] [43<./Fig18-10.eps>] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] 
[51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] 
we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ 


> 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann 
> 
> >  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
> > 
> > I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
> > actually does'nt matter
> > 
> > e.g.
> > 
> > FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
> > 2002.
> 
> This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
> the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
> 
> > but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
> > 
> > but only:
> > : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
> > 
> > underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
> 
> Try the attached modified file.
> 
> Jürgen

-- 
-
Wolfgang Engelmann
Schlossgartenstrasse 22
D-72070 Tübingen
Tel 07071 68325

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:

FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
{ volume empty$
{ "" }
{ "Vol." volume tie.or.space.connect
  series empty$
'skip$
{ " of " * series emphasize * }
  if$
  "volume and number" number either.or.check
}
  if$
}

and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT

how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?

Wolfgang

> On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
> a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
> after %%
> to the  { " " " * *
> in the following function:
> 
> FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
> { volume embolden field.or.null
>   number empty$
> 'skip$
> %%{ "(" number * ")" * *
> { " " " * *
> 
> but the volume is still in bold.
> I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
> besides this one:
> 
> FUNCTION {embolden}
> { duplicate$ empty$
> { pop$ "" }
> { "{\bf " swap$ * "}" * }
>   if$
> }.
> which is probably not the one I need.
> 
> I changed Jürgens  mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
> lyx.
> 
> Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
> 
> 
> ###additional info:
> This is the output if I export from the .lyx file the .tex file and run
> latex 3 times and bibtex once; The ps file has no References
> output:
> Package natbib Warning: Citation `Lam2000a' on page 61 undefined on
> input line
> 3730.
> 
> [61]
> No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.bbl.
> No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-idx.ind.
> No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14-ind1.ind.
> No file PBR-FINAL-Jan14.nls.
> 
> Package natbib Warning: There were undefined citations.
> 
> (./PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux) )
> (see the transcript file for additional information)
> Output written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi (61 pages, 332360 bytes).
> Transcript written on PBR-FINAL-Jan14.log.
> we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ bibtex PBR-FINAL-Jan14
> This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
> The top-level auxiliary file: PBR-FINAL-Jan14.aux
> The style file: kluwer.bst
> Database file #1: PB-ref-20140108.bib
> we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ dvips PBR-FINAL-Jan14.dvi
> This is dvips(k) 5.993 Copyright 2013 Radical Eye Software
> (www.radicaleye.com)
> ' TeX output 2014.01.16:1050' -> PBR-FINAL-Jan14.ps
> 
> 
>  dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmbx10.pfb>
>  dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmmi10.pfb>
>  dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb>
>  dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmsy10.pfb>
> 
> 
> .
>  dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/symbols/msam10.pfb>
>  b>
>  >
>  >
>  b>
>  pfb>
>  b>
>  >[1] [2] [3] [4] [5<./Fig18-1Kal.eps>] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10
> <./Fig18-2EclosionOnly.eps><./Fig18-2DrosophilaPRC.eps>] [11] [12] [13]
> [14]
> [15] [16<./Fig18-3.eps>] [17] [18] [19] [20<./Fig18-4.eps>] [21] [22]
> [23 <./Fig18-5.eps>] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28<./Fig18-6.eps>] [29] [30]
> [31] [32]
> [33] [34] [35<./Fig18-7.eps>] [36] [37<./Fig18-8.eps>] [38] [39] [40]
> [41] [42<./Fig18-9.eps>] [43<./Fig18-10.eps>] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48]
> [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61]
> we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$
> 
> > 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann 
> > 
> > >  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > > Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
> > > 
> > > I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
> > > actually does'nt matter
> > > 
> > > e.g.
> > > 
> > > FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
> > > 2002.
> > 
> > This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just
> > change the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
> > 
> > > but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
> > > 
> > > but only:
> > > : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
> > > 
> > > underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
> > 
> > Try the attached modified file.
> > 
> > Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
>
>
>p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
>
>On Thursday 16 January 2014 10:58:33 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
>
>I just found this function in the kluwer.bst file:
>
>FUNCTION {format.bvolume}
>{ volume empty$
>{  }
>{ Vol. volume tie.or.space.connect
>  series empty$
>   'skip$
>   {  of  * series emphasize * }
>  if$
>  volume and number number either.or.check
>}
>  if$
>}
>
>and guess bvolume is what I DO NOT WANT
>
>how do I use/not use it? Commenting it out?
>
>Wolfgang
>

I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your question 
there.

I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a bst file 
in such details.

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
> Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:

> 
> I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
> question there.
> 
> I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
> bst file in such details.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> bcsikos

Thanks, Csikos,

but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
become one?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
>
>
>p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
>
>On Thursday 16 January 2014 14:52:42 Csikos Bela wrote:
>> Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
>
>> 
>> I suggest visiting the http://tex.stackexchange.com/ site and ask your
>> question there.
>> 
>> I doubt you will find anyone on this list who knows how to hack/edit a
>> bst file in such details.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> bcsikos
>
>Thanks, Csikos,
>
>but this site is too confusing for me. Do I have to be a member, how do I 
>become one?
>
>Wolfgang

Well, that site was/is confusing for me too. But it has advantage too: you can 
post/ask question as a guest, don't have to register.

I try to explain what I know.

For example look at the follwong question:

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/37989/dissertation-how-to-customize-bst

Near to the top there is the title of the question, practically the question 
itself:

Dissertation: How to customize *.bst?

Below that you  see a number (currently 11): this number indicates how many 
people found this question useful (how many people voted it). Above and below 
the number the nib shaped arrow for voting up or down the question (up: you 
find it useful, down: you find it bad). There is tooltip for the arrows if you 
hover the mouse on them.

Below the question there are comments. These should not be answers, only 
additional information related to the question. You can add clarifying 
information to the question for example. After adding a comment, for a limited 
time you can change/edit your comment.

Below the comments ther are the answers. If there are several answers, they are 
ordered according to the numbers at their left side. The numbers here are also 
votes, indicating how many user found the answer useful. The most useful answer 
goes closest to the question. Each answer might have their own comments, 
similarly to questions.

Regarding etiquette: It is expected not to use greetings, signature, "thank 
you" etc., only write down your question/comment/answer. The author's name  is 
put there by the system, you don't have to include it.

If you want to ask a question, click the "Ask question" button (right side 
close to the top on the page).  You add your question title, and in the window 
below write your question.
If you want to add computer code start the it with 4 space and it will be 
presented as computer code. There are other formatting aids and help pages.
You have to add max 5 tags. You write the tag which triggers the system to show 
a list of tags to choose from.

Finally you click "Post question"

Regards,

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann 

>  Hello again,
>
>  I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume of
> a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part after
> %%
>
> to the { " " " * *
>
> in the following function:
>
>
>
> FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
>
> { volume embolden field.or.null
>
> number empty$
>
> 'skip$
>
> %%{ "(" number * ")" * *
>
> { " " " * *
>
>
>
> but the volume is still in bold.
>
> I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
> besides this one:
>
>
>
> FUNCTION {embolden}
>
> { duplicate$ empty$
>
> { pop$ "" }
>
> { "{\bf " swap$ * "}" * }
>
> if$
>
> }.
>
> which is probably not the one I need.
>
>
>
> I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running lyx.
>
>
>
> Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
>

Try (untested)

FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}

{ volume field.or.null

number empty$

'skip$

{ "(" number * ")" * *


(i.e., change "volume embolden" to "volume").

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> 2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann 

Thanks, Jürgen,
works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the desired 
.bst file, but at the end got 
LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

Wolfgang
> 
> >  Hello again,
> >  
> >  I tried to change the kluwer.bst file in such a way, that the volume
> >  of
> > 
> > a journal is not given in bold in the References by changing the part
> > after %%
> > 
> > to the { " " " * *
> > 
> > in the following function:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
> > 
> > { volume embolden field.or.null
> > 
> > number empty$
> > 
> > 'skip$
> > 
> > %%{ "(" number * ")" * *
> > 
> > { " " " * *
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > but the volume is still in bold.
> > 
> > I searched for bold in the kluwer.bst and found only the above item
> > besides this one:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > FUNCTION {embolden}
> > 
> > { duplicate$ empty$
> > 
> > { pop$ "" }
> > 
> > { "{\bf " swap$ * "}" * }
> > 
> > if$
> > 
> > }.
> > 
> > which is probably not the one I need.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I changed Jürgens mykluwer.bst to mykluwerNoBold.bst before running
> > lyx.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Apparently I did something wrong. Any idea?
> 
> Try (untested)
> 
> FUNCTION {format.vol.num.pages}
> 
> { volume field.or.null
> 
> number empty$
> 
> 'skip$
> 
> { "(" number * ")" * *
> 
> 
> (i.e., change "volume embolden" to "volume").
> 
> HTH
> Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:30:46 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> On Thursday 16 January 2014 18:00:20 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > 2014/1/16 Wolfgang Engelmann 
> 
> Thanks, Jürgen,
> works well. In the meantime I tried to use makebst to produce the
> desired .bst file, but at the end got
> LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found
> Have to find out how to get it, unless somebody knows already.

I found a way to do it in
http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-W%C3%B6rterbuch:_makebst

on the terminal
 tex docstrip
answer the questions as shown
\infileext=mbs
\outfileext=tex
\Options=bblbst
\filelist=merlin
\answer=n
a file merlin.tex is produced, which has to be renamed to babelbst.tex
This file can be edited 
"and", "editor" etc. in the desired language
The file has to be placed in the same directory as the document
However, running the lyx document gives a number of errors such as
[9] [10] [11]
! Missing = inserted for \ifnum.
 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
I was expecting to see `<', `=', or `>'. Didn't.

! Missing number, treated as zero.
 
   o
l.770 ...te ancient (lamprey \citealt{Menaker1997}
  ).
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)

Weird !

I give up for the time being.

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Paul A. Rubin:

 Jürgen,

 By parse properly, do you mean that the use of braces may override the
 design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
 with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
 atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
 not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a convenience .bst file
 (such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using
 braces.


Well, you just fool bibtex. If properly used, BibTeX knows who a given name
is constructed. It knows whether a name has a von-part, junior-part, and
that a name might consist of several first names etc. If you write
{{Johann Wolfgang von}{Goethe}}
bibtex thinks the first name is Johann Wolfgang von, which is of course
wrong.
It might result in the output you want just now, but if you have to follow
different conventions, your database is not usable anymore.

If you write
{Johann Wolfgang von Goethe}
bibtex reads:
Surnames = Johann Wolfgang
von-part = von
Last name = Goethe

and you can instruct it to output the name the way you want (wrt order,
abbreviation of some parts etc.).


 I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
 https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
 von v. Von.


I recommend
http://mirrors.ctan.org/info/bibtex/tamethebeast/ttb_en.pdf
http://mirrors.ctan.org/biblio/bibtex/base/btxdoc.pdf



 I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
 between von Kleist, Heinrich and Kleist, Heinrich von, although I
 personally prefer the former.


In the database, it clearly needs to be von Kleist, Heinrich or Heinrich
von Kleist. See Oren Patashnik's original bibtex manual.

In the output, it's a conventional thing. In German texts, both is common.
Personally, I also prefer von Kleist, Heinrich, but sorted under K, not
v. Note, though, that people often omit the von-part in the text, talking
of Kleist, Goethe etc. This can be controlled via BibTeX as well, if
you use the proper syntax in the database.

Jürgen



 Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Thanks all of you giving hints re  van von de di della
I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
  #   { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
{ {ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
   # { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
{ {ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~} author format.names }
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually 
does'nt matter
e.g.
FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002. 

but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
 but only:
: 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude 
underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.

I tried to find other places in the bst file which could be responsible, but 
did not find any so far.

Wolfgang

 2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
  Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various
  styles which give an output like
  
  Iglesia, de la
  
  in the references.
  
  I used Kluwer style and the output is
  
  de la Iglesia
 
 I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
 online, but none uses a von-example.
 
 However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
 instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:
 
 FUNCTION {format.authors}
 { author empty$
 {  }
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
   if$
 }
 
 FUNCTION {format.editors}
 { editor empty$
 {  }
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
   editor num.names$ #1 
 {  (eds) * }
 {  (ed.) * }
   if$
 }
   if$
 }
 
 Where you have:
 
 vv = von-part (spelled-out)
 ll = Last name (spelled-out)
 jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
 f. = first name (abbreviated).
 
 So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:
 
 FUNCTION {format.authors}
 { author empty$
 {  }
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
   if$
 }
 
 FUNCTION {format.editors}
 { editor empty$
 {  }
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
   editor num.names$ #1 
 {  (eds) * }
 {  (ed.) * }
   if$
 }
   if$
 }
 
 As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.
 
 HTH
 Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:



 Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della

 I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:



 [...]



 However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually
 does'nt matter

 e.g.

 FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002.


This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.



 but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,

 but only:

 : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
 underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.


Try the attached modified file.

Jürgen


mykluwer.bst
Description: Binary data

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
   On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
  
  I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
  
  
  
  [...]
  
  
  
  However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
  actually does'nt matter
  
  e.g.
  
  FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
  2002.
 
 This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
 the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
 
  but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
  
  but only:
  : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
  
  underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
 
 Try the attached modified file.
 
 Jürgen

Thanks a lot, Jürgen, 
it works just as it should. It is not as difficult, but one has to know where 
the changes have to be made.

These are your changes.

we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ diff mykluwer.bst kluwer.bst 
200c200
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
---
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
207c207
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
---
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
1336,1339c1336
 { \harvardpreambledefs{% write$ newline$
   preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$
   \harvardpreambletext{% write$ newline$
   preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$ }


What does 
\harvardpreambledefs
do?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Thanks for the links, Jurgen. 

Paul 

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann:

  1336,1339c1336

  { \harvardpreambledefs{% write$ newline$

  preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$

  \harvardpreambletext{% write$ newline$

  preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$ }





 What does

 \harvardpreambledefs

 do?


I did not change this part. I suppose I have a newer version of kluwer.bst
(this is TeXLive 2013 here)

Jürgen



 Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Paul A. Rubin:

 Jürgen,

 By parse properly, do you mean that the use of braces may override the
 design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
 with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
 atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
 not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a convenience .bst file
 (such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using
 braces.


Well, you just fool bibtex. If properly used, BibTeX knows who a given name
is constructed. It knows whether a name has a von-part, junior-part, and
that a name might consist of several first names etc. If you write
{{Johann Wolfgang von}{Goethe}}
bibtex thinks the first name is Johann Wolfgang von, which is of course
wrong.
It might result in the output you want just now, but if you have to follow
different conventions, your database is not usable anymore.

If you write
{Johann Wolfgang von Goethe}
bibtex reads:
Surnames = Johann Wolfgang
von-part = von
Last name = Goethe

and you can instruct it to output the name the way you want (wrt order,
abbreviation of some parts etc.).


 I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
 https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
 von v. Von.


I recommend
http://mirrors.ctan.org/info/bibtex/tamethebeast/ttb_en.pdf
http://mirrors.ctan.org/biblio/bibtex/base/btxdoc.pdf



 I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
 between von Kleist, Heinrich and Kleist, Heinrich von, although I
 personally prefer the former.


In the database, it clearly needs to be von Kleist, Heinrich or Heinrich
von Kleist. See Oren Patashnik's original bibtex manual.

In the output, it's a conventional thing. In German texts, both is common.
Personally, I also prefer von Kleist, Heinrich, but sorted under K, not
v. Note, though, that people often omit the von-part in the text, talking
of Kleist, Goethe etc. This can be controlled via BibTeX as well, if
you use the proper syntax in the database.

Jürgen



 Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Thanks all of you giving hints re  van von de di della
I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
  #   { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
{ {ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
   # { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
{ {ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~} author format.names }
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually 
does'nt matter
e.g.
FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002. 

but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
 but only:
: 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude 
underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.

I tried to find other places in the bst file which could be responsible, but 
did not find any so far.

Wolfgang

 2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
  Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various
  styles which give an output like
  
  Iglesia, de la
  
  in the references.
  
  I used Kluwer style and the output is
  
  de la Iglesia
 
 I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
 online, but none uses a von-example.
 
 However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
 instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:
 
 FUNCTION {format.authors}
 { author empty$
 {  }
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
   if$
 }
 
 FUNCTION {format.editors}
 { editor empty$
 {  }
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
   editor num.names$ #1 
 {  (eds) * }
 {  (ed.) * }
   if$
 }
   if$
 }
 
 Where you have:
 
 vv = von-part (spelled-out)
 ll = Last name (spelled-out)
 jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
 f. = first name (abbreviated).
 
 So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:
 
 FUNCTION {format.authors}
 { author empty$
 {  }
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
   if$
 }
 
 FUNCTION {format.editors}
 { editor empty$
 {  }
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
   editor num.names$ #1 
 {  (eds) * }
 {  (ed.) * }
   if$
 }
   if$
 }
 
 As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.
 
 HTH
 Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:



 Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della

 I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:



 [...]



 However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually
 does'nt matter

 e.g.

 FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002.


This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.



 but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,

 but only:

 : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
 underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.


Try the attached modified file.

Jürgen


mykluwer.bst
Description: Binary data

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 
   On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
  
  I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
  
  
  
  [...]
  
  
  
  However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
  actually does'nt matter
  
  e.g.
  
  FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
  2002.
 
 This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
 the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
 
  but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
  
  but only:
  : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
  
  underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
 
 Try the attached modified file.
 
 Jürgen

Thanks a lot, Jürgen, 
it works just as it should. It is not as difficult, but one has to know where 
the changes have to be made.

These are your changes.

we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ diff mykluwer.bst kluwer.bst 
200c200
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
---
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
207c207
 { {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
---
 { {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
1336,1339c1336
 { \harvardpreambledefs{% write$ newline$
   preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$
   \harvardpreambletext{% write$ newline$
   preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$ }


What does 
\harvardpreambledefs
do?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Thanks for the links, Jurgen. 

Paul 

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann:

  1336,1339c1336

  { \harvardpreambledefs{% write$ newline$

  preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$

  \harvardpreambletext{% write$ newline$

  preamble$ write$ } write$ newline$ }





 What does

 \harvardpreambledefs

 do?


I did not change this part. I suppose I have a newer version of kluwer.bst
(this is TeXLive 2013 here)

Jürgen



 Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Paul A. Rubin:

> Jürgen,
>
> By "parse properly", do you mean that the use of braces may override the
> design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
> with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
> atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
> not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a "convenience" .bst file
> (such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using
> braces.
>

Well, you just fool bibtex. If properly used, BibTeX knows who a given name
is constructed. It knows whether a name has a von-part, junior-part, and
that a name might consist of several first names etc. If you write
{{Johann Wolfgang von}{Goethe}}
bibtex thinks the first name is "Johann Wolfgang von", which is of course
wrong.
It might result in the output you want just now, but if you have to follow
different conventions, your database is not usable anymore.

If you write
{Johann Wolfgang von Goethe}
bibtex reads:
Surnames = Johann Wolfgang
von-part = von
Last name = Goethe

and you can instruct it to output the name the way you want (wrt order,
abbreviation of some parts etc.).


> I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
> https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
> "von" v. "Von".


I recommend
http://mirrors.ctan.org/info/bibtex/tamethebeast/ttb_en.pdf
http://mirrors.ctan.org/biblio/bibtex/base/btxdoc.pdf



> I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
> between "von Kleist, Heinrich" and "Kleist, Heinrich von", although I
> personally prefer the former.
>

In the database, it clearly needs to be "von Kleist, Heinrich" or "Heinrich
von Kleist". See Oren Patashnik's original bibtex manual.

In the output, it's a conventional thing. In German texts, both is common.
Personally, I also prefer "von Kleist, Heinrich", but sorted under "K", not
"v". Note, though, that people often omit the von-part in the text, talking
of "Kleist", "Goethe" etc. This can be controlled via BibTeX as well, if
you use the proper syntax in the database.

Jürgen


>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Thanks all of you giving hints re  van von de di della
I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{ "" }
  #   { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" author format.names }
{ "{ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~}" author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{ "" }
   # { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" editor format.names
{ "{ll}{, f.}{, jj}{vv~}" author format.names }
  editor num.names$ #1 >
{ " (eds)" * }
{ " (ed.)" * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually 
does'nt matter
e.g.
FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002. 

but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
 but only:
: 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude 
underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.

I tried to find other places in the bst file which could be responsible, but 
did not find any so far.

Wolfgang

> 2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann 
> 
> > Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various
> > styles which give an output like
> > 
> > Iglesia, de la
> > 
> > in the references.
> > 
> > I used Kluwer style and the output is
> > 
> > de la Iglesia
> 
> I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
> online, but none uses a von-example.
> 
> However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
> instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:
> 
> FUNCTION {format.authors}
> { author empty$
> { "" }
> { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" author format.names }
>   if$
> }
> 
> FUNCTION {format.editors}
> { editor empty$
> { "" }
> { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" editor format.names
>   editor num.names$ #1 >
> { " (eds)" * }
> { " (ed.)" * }
>   if$
> }
>   if$
> }
> 
> Where you have:
> 
> vv = von-part (spelled-out)
> ll = Last name (spelled-out)
> jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
> f. = first name (abbreviated).
> 
> So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:
> 
> FUNCTION {format.authors}
> { author empty$
> { "" }
> { "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" author format.names }
>   if$
> }
> 
> FUNCTION {format.editors}
> { editor empty$
> { "" }
> { "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" editor format.names
>   editor num.names$ #1 >
> { " (eds)" * }
> { " (ed.)" * }
>   if$
> }
>   if$
> }
> 
> As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.
> 
> HTH
> Jürgen

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann 

>  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
>
> I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
>
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which actually
> does'nt matter
>
> e.g.
>
> FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen 2002.
>

This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.


>
> but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
>
> but only:
>
> : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
> underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
>

Try the attached modified file.

Jürgen


mykluwer.bst
Description: Binary data

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Tuesday 14 January 2014 20:09:03 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> 2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann 
> 
> >  On Monday 13 January 2014 18:50:13 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Thanks all of you giving hints re van von de di della
> > 
> > I tried Jürgens proposal changing the kluwer.bst:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > However, the citing style has'nt changed (see de Paula), which
> > actually does'nt matter
> > 
> > e.g.
> > 
> > FRQ was proposed by de Paula et al. 2006; Correa and Bell-Pedersen
> > 2002.
> 
> This is handled in another function (format.lab.names.full). Just change
> the occurrence of {vv~} there, if you need.
> 
> > but all the references in the Bibliography show no author,
> > 
> > but only:
> > : 1964, Circadian rhythms during and after three months in solitude
> > 
> > underground, J Physiol 174, 217–231.
> 
> Try the attached modified file.
> 
> Jürgen

Thanks a lot, Jürgen, 
it works just as it should. It is not as difficult, but one has to know where 
the changes have to be made.

These are your changes.

we@wolfgang:~/PBR-FINAL-Jan13$ diff mykluwer.bst kluwer.bst 
200c200
< { "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" author format.names }
---
> { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" author format.names }
207c207
< { "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" editor format.names
---
> { "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" editor format.names
1336,1339c1336
< { "\harvardpreambledefs{%" write$ newline$
<   preamble$ write$ "}" write$ newline$
<   "\harvardpreambletext{%" write$ newline$
<   preamble$ write$ "}" write$ newline$ }


What does 
\harvardpreambledefs
do?

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Thanks for the links, Jurgen. 

Paul 

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/14 Wolfgang Engelmann:
>
>  1336,1339c1336
>
> < { "\harvardpreambledefs{%" write$ newline$
>
> < preamble$ write$ "}" write$ newline$
>
> < "\harvardpreambletext{%" write$ newline$
>
> < preamble$ write$ "}" write$ newline$ }
>
>
>
>
>
> What does
>
> \harvardpreambledefs
>
> do?
>

I did not change this part. I suppose I have a newer version of kluwer.bst
(this is TeXLive 2013 here)

Jürgen


>
> Wolfgang
>

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:

First von Last
von Last, First
von Last, Jr, First

That is, the example should be entered as:

de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.

or

H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras

Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the name
as you prefer.

(BTW I would also enter always complete first names. The style file can
abbreviate that to initials, if desired).

Regards
Jürgen


2014/1/12 Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu

 I think I would have entered it into JabRef as

 H. O. {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...

 or possibly

 {H. O.} {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...

 (although I think the braces around the initials are unnecessary).

 Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
 without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
 
 First von Last
 von Last, First
 von Last, Jr, First
 
 That is, the example should be entered as:
 
 de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
 
 or
 
 H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
 
 Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
 name as you prefer.

Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles 
which give an output like
Iglesia, de la
in the references.
I used Kluwer style and the output is
de la Iglesia

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

 Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles
 which give an output like

 Iglesia, de la

 in the references.

 I used Kluwer style and the output is

 de la Iglesia



I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
online, but none uses a von-example.

However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
{ {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
{ {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

Where you have:

vv = von-part (spelled-out)
ll = Last name (spelled-out)
jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
f. = first name (abbreviated).

So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
{ {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
{ {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.

HTH
Jürgen


 Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Jürgen Spitzmüller spitz at lyx.org writes:

 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three
forms:First von Last
 von Last, Firstvon Last, Jr, First

Jürgen,

By parse properly, do you mean that the use of braces may override the
design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a convenience .bst file
(such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using braces.

I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
von v. Von. I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
between von Kleist, Heinrich and Kleist, Heinrich von, although I
personally prefer the former.

Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
 without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
 
 quot;First von Lastquot;
 quot;von Last, Firstquot;
 quot;von Last, Jr, Firstquot;
 
 That is, the example should be entered as:
 
 de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
 
 or
 
 H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
 
 Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
 name as you prefer.
nbsp;
Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles which 
give an output like
Iglesia, de la
in the references.
I used Kluwer style and the output is
de la Iglesia
nbsp;
Wolfgang

There is graphical bibtex style file (bst file) generator, bib-it.

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/

It is a java application. In the tools menu there is a style-generator option.

Its usage is documented here:

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/help/generateBibstyle.php

It saves two bst files. One ending with .bst for numbered citations, and 
another one ending with _nat.bst for author-name citations.

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:

First von Last
von Last, First
von Last, Jr, First

That is, the example should be entered as:

de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.

or

H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras

Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the name
as you prefer.

(BTW I would also enter always complete first names. The style file can
abbreviate that to initials, if desired).

Regards
Jürgen


2014/1/12 Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu

 I think I would have entered it into JabRef as

 H. O. {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...

 or possibly

 {H. O.} {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...

 (although I think the braces around the initials are unnecessary).

 Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
 without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
 
 First von Last
 von Last, First
 von Last, Jr, First
 
 That is, the example should be entered as:
 
 de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
 
 or
 
 H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
 
 Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
 name as you prefer.

Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles 
which give an output like
Iglesia, de la
in the references.
I used Kluwer style and the output is
de la Iglesia

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de

 Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles
 which give an output like

 Iglesia, de la

 in the references.

 I used Kluwer style and the output is

 de la Iglesia



I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
online, but none uses a von-example.

However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
{ {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
{ {vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.} editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

Where you have:

vv = von-part (spelled-out)
ll = Last name (spelled-out)
jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
f. = first name (abbreviated).

So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{  }
{ {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{  }
{ {ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv} editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 
{  (eds) * }
{  (ed.) * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.

HTH
Jürgen


 Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Jürgen Spitzmüller spitz at lyx.org writes:

 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three
forms:First von Last
 von Last, Firstvon Last, Jr, First

Jürgen,

By parse properly, do you mean that the use of braces may override the
design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a convenience .bst file
(such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using braces.

I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
von v. Von. I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
between von Kleist, Heinrich and Kleist, Heinrich von, although I
personally prefer the former.

Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de írta:


p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
 without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
 
 quot;First von Lastquot;
 quot;von Last, Firstquot;
 quot;von Last, Jr, Firstquot;
 
 That is, the example should be entered as:
 
 de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
 
 or
 
 H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
 
 Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
 name as you prefer.
nbsp;
Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles which 
give an output like
Iglesia, de la
in the references.
I used Kluwer style and the output is
de la Iglesia
nbsp;
Wolfgang

There is graphical bibtex style file (bst file) generator, bib-it.

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/

It is a java application. In the tools menu there is a style-generator option.

Its usage is documented here:

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/help/generateBibstyle.php

It saves two bst files. One ending with .bst for numbered citations, and 
another one ending with _nat.bst for author-name citations.

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:

"First von Last"
"von Last, First"
"von Last, Jr, First"

That is, the example should be entered as:

de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.

or

H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras

Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the name
as you prefer.

(BTW I would also enter always complete first names. The style file can
abbreviate that to initials, if desired).

Regards
Jürgen


2014/1/12 Paul A. Rubin 

> I think I would have entered it into JabRef as
>
> H. O. {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...
>
> or possibly
>
> {H. O.} {de la Iglesia} and T. Cambras ...
>
> (although I think the braces around the initials are unnecessary).
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
> without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
> 
> "First von Last"
> "von Last, First"
> "von Last, Jr, First"
> 
> That is, the example should be entered as:
> 
> de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
> 
> or
> 
> H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
> 
> Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
> name as you prefer.

Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles 
which give an output like
Iglesia, de la
in the references.
I used Kluwer style and the output is
de la Iglesia

Wolfgang

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014/1/13 Wolfgang Engelmann 

> Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles
> which give an output like
>
> Iglesia, de la
>
> in the references.
>
> I used Kluwer style and the output is
>
> de la Iglesia
>


I am not aware of any. There are several bibtex style comparision sites
online, but none uses a von-example.

However, tweaking an existing style file should not be too hard. For
instance, in Kluwer, you'll find:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{ "" }
{ "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{ "" }
{ "{vv~}{ll}{, jj}{, f.}" editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 >
{ " (eds)" * }
{ " (ed.)" * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

Where you have:

vv = von-part (spelled-out)
ll = Last name (spelled-out)
jj = junior-part (spelled-out)
f. = first name (abbreviated).

So, without testing, I suppose the following change will do the trick:

FUNCTION {format.authors}
{ author empty$
{ "" }
{ "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" author format.names }
  if$
}

FUNCTION {format.editors}
{ editor empty$
{ "" }
{ "{ll}{, jj}{, f.}{~vv}" editor format.names
  editor num.names$ #1 >
{ " (eds)" * }
{ " (ed.)" * }
  if$
}
  if$
}

As always: do not modify the original file directly, but make a copy.

HTH
Jürgen


> Wolfgang
>

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Paul A . Rubin]

Jürgen Spitzmüller  lyx.org> writes:

> Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three
forms:"First von Last"
> "von Last, First""von Last, Jr, First"

Jürgen,

By "parse properly", do you mean that the use of braces may override the
design of the .bst file, or is there more to it (such as creating problems
with spacing)? My usage patterns in the past may have been somewhat
atypical. I would write for journals that do not have a .bst file (and may
not accept LaTeX submissions), so I would use a "convenience" .bst file
(such as plainnat) and override the formatting of name prefixes using braces.

I found a somewhat helpful PDF file at
https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb27-2/tb87hufflen.pdf; at least it clarifies
"von" v. "Von". I'm not entirely sure if there is a definitive proper choice
between "von Kleist, Heinrich" and "Kleist, Heinrich von", although I
personally prefer the former.

Paul

Re: Bibtex question: van von de di della etc Name: HowTo?

[Csikos Bela]

Wolfgang Engelmann  írta:
>
>
>p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
>
>On Monday 13 January 2014 09:06:33 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Note, though, that BibTeX (or Biblatex) can only parse the name properly
>> without any braces, and if it given in one of the following three forms:
>> 
>> First von Last
>> von Last, First
>> von Last, Jr, First
>> 
>> That is, the example should be entered as:
>> 
>> de la Iglesia, H. O. and Cambras, T.
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> H. O. de la Iglesia and T. Cambras
>> 
>> Then, it is the task of the bibtex or biblatex style file output the
>> name as you prefer.
>
>Thanks for this. Is there a site which shows examples for various styles which 
>give an output like
>Iglesia, de la
>in the references.
>I used Kluwer style and the output is
>de la Iglesia
>
>Wolfgang

There is graphical bibtex style file (bst file) generator, bib-it.

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/

It is a java application. In the tools menu there is a style-generator option.

Its usage is documented here:

http://bib-it.sourceforge.net/help/generateBibstyle.php

It saves two bst files. One ending with .bst for numbered citations, and 
another one ending with _nat.bst for author-name citations.

bcsikos

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[rgheck]

On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:

hello

I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.

How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:

[1] -- Author, Title, in [2]

[2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe

   
This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
e.g.:


@INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
  author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
  title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
  pages = {3--39},
  crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
  owner = {rgheck},
  timestamp = {2008.06.18}
}

rh

Re: Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks
mario
ps nice paper too!
--
rgheck  wrote:
 On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:
  hello
 
  I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.
 
  How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:
 
  [1] -- Author, Title, in [2]
 
  [2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe
 
 
 This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
 e.g.:
 
 @INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
pages = {3--39},
crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
owner = {rgheck},
timestamp = {2008.06.18}
 }
 
 rh
 
 

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[rgheck]

On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:

hello

I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.

How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:

[1] -- Author, Title, in [2]

[2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe

   
This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
e.g.:


@INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
  author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
  title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
  pages = {3--39},
  crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
  owner = {rgheck},
  timestamp = {2008.06.18}
}

rh

Re: Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks
mario
ps nice paper too!
--
rgheck  wrote:
 On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:
  hello
 
  I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.
 
  How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:
 
  [1] -- Author, Title, in [2]
 
  [2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe
 
 
 This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
 e.g.:
 
 @INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
pages = {3--39},
crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
owner = {rgheck},
timestamp = {2008.06.18}
 }
 
 rh
 
 

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[rgheck]

On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:

hello

I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.

How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:

[1] -- Author, Title, in [2]

[2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe

   
This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
e.g.:


@INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
  author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
  title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
  pages = {3--39},
  crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
  owner = {rgheck},
  timestamp = {2008.06.18}
}

rh

Re: Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks
mario
ps nice paper too!
--
rgheck  wrote:
> On 03/03/2010 12:22 PM, mario wrote:
> > hello
> >
> > I have a new question on bibtex/biblatex.
> >
> > How do I do when a bibliographic item refers to another one:
> >
> > [1] -- Author, Title, in [2]
> >
> > [2]--  BlaBla, edited by Joe Doe
> >
> >
> This is what the crossref field is for. Put the key of the other entry, 
> e.g.:
> 
> @INCOLLECTION{HeckMay:FregesContribution,
>author = {Richard Heck and Robert May},
>title = {Frege's Contribution to Philosophy of Language},
>pages = {3--39},
>crossref = {LeporeSmith:PhilLang},
>owner = {rgheck},
>timestamp = {2008.06.18}
> }
> 
> rh
> 
> 

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
 On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:
 
 
 
 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for  
 this purpose?
 
 @book {...
 
   note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }
 
 This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
 files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
 it might do the trick.
 
 
 Daniel

I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics

:-(

thanks anyway
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Julio Rojas]

If you have a Mac, you can use Bibdesk... I hope somebody, some day,
ports Bibdesk ideas/features to Win/Linux...
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 AM, mario m...@mariochiari.net wrote:
 Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
 On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:

 

 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
 this purpose?

 @book {...

       note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }

 This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
 files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX
 it might do the trick.


 Daniel

 I get the following error:
 ./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics

 :-(

 thanks anyway
 mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.29 -0500, Charles de Miramon ha
scritto:
 Daniel Lohmann wrote:
 
  Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
  this purpose?
  
  @book {...
  
  note={\includegraphics{...}}
  }
  
 
 Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
 graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
 things.
 
 You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
 of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
 adjacent cell.
 
 It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex 

do you mean
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/exptl/biblatex/doc/biblatex.pdf ?

 but 
 you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.
 
 Charles 

Maybe somebody has already done something I may hack.
Happy to ack. any help
Thanks
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 02.03.2010, at 09:04, mario wrote:


Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:





Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field  
for

this purpose?

@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain  
LaTeX

it might do the trick.


Daniel


I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics



You have to include some graphics package (e.g.,  
\usepackage{graphicx}) in your preamble.


Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
 On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:
 
 
 
 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for  
 this purpose?
 
 @book {...
 
   note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }
 
 This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
 files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
 it might do the trick.
 
 
 Daniel

I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics

:-(

thanks anyway
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Julio Rojas]

If you have a Mac, you can use Bibdesk... I hope somebody, some day,
ports Bibdesk ideas/features to Win/Linux...
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 AM, mario m...@mariochiari.net wrote:
 Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
 On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:

 

 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
 this purpose?

 @book {...

       note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }

 This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
 files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX
 it might do the trick.


 Daniel

 I get the following error:
 ./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics

 :-(

 thanks anyway
 mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.29 -0500, Charles de Miramon ha
scritto:
 Daniel Lohmann wrote:
 
  Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
  this purpose?
  
  @book {...
  
  note={\includegraphics{...}}
  }
  
 
 Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
 graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
 things.
 
 You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
 of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
 adjacent cell.
 
 It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex 

do you mean
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/exptl/biblatex/doc/biblatex.pdf ?

 but 
 you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.
 
 Charles 

Maybe somebody has already done something I may hack.
Happy to ack. any help
Thanks
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 02.03.2010, at 09:04, mario wrote:


Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:





Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field  
for

this purpose?

@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain  
LaTeX

it might do the trick.


Daniel


I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics



You have to include some graphics package (e.g.,  
\usepackage{graphicx}) in your preamble.


Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
> On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field for  
> this purpose?
> 
> @book {...
> 
>   note={\includegraphics{...}}
> }
> 
> This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
> files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
> it might do the trick.
> 
> 
> Daniel

I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics

:-(

thanks anyway
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Julio Rojas]

If you have a Mac, you can use Bibdesk... I hope somebody, some day,
ports Bibdesk ideas/features to Win/Linux...
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 AM, mario  wrote:
> Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:
>> On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field for
>> this purpose?
>>
>> @book {...
>>
>>       note={\includegraphics{...}}
>> }
>>
>> This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
>> files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX
>> it might do the trick.
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>
> I get the following error:
> ./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics
>
> :-(
>
> thanks anyway
> mario
>
>
>

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.29 -0500, Charles de Miramon ha
scritto:
> Daniel Lohmann wrote:
> 
> > Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field for
> > this purpose?
> > 
> > @book {...
> > 
> > note={\includegraphics{...}}
> > }
> > 
> 
> Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
> graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
> things.
> 
> You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
> of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
> adjacent cell.
> 
> It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex 

do you mean
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/exptl/biblatex/doc/biblatex.pdf ?

> but 
> you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.
> 
> Charles 

Maybe somebody has already done something I may hack.
Happy to ack. any help
Thanks
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 02.03.2010, at 09:04, mario wrote:


Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 22.29 +0100, Daniel Lohmann ha scritto:

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:





Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field  
for

this purpose?

@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain  
LaTeX

it might do the trick.


Daniel


I get the following error:
./myfile.bbl:4:Undefined control sequence $\includegraphics



You have to include some graphics package (e.g.,  
\usepackage{graphicx}) in your preamble.


Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:
 mario schrieb:
 
  My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
  pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 
 
 Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.

yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?

 
 But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
 bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.

I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.

 
 regards Uwe
 
my best wishes
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 

Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?


As I said, the Bibliography doesn't contain images.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.


When there are not too many entries (about 20-30) I would quickly create 
BibTeX entries for them before trying nasty TeX-tricks to get an image 
in the bibliography.

Sorry that I cannot help you further.

regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:


Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do?


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi  
(or .pdf)

output?


Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for  
this purpose?


@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
it might do the trick.



Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Lohmann wrote:

 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
 this purpose?
 
 @book {...
 
 note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }
 

Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
things.

You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
adjacent cell.

It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex but 
you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.

Charles 

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:
 mario schrieb:
 
  My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
  pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 
 
 Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.

yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?

 
 But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
 bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.

I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.

 
 regards Uwe
 
my best wishes
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 

Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?


As I said, the Bibliography doesn't contain images.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.


When there are not too many entries (about 20-30) I would quickly create 
BibTeX entries for them before trying nasty TeX-tricks to get an image 
in the bibliography.

Sorry that I cannot help you further.

regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:


Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do?


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type misc for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi  
(or .pdf)

output?


Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for  
this purpose?


@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
it might do the trick.



Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Lohmann wrote:

 Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the note field for
 this purpose?
 
 @book {...
 
 note={\includegraphics{...}}
 }
 

Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
things.

You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
adjacent cell.

It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex but 
you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.

Charles 

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type "misc" for such cases.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[mario]

Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:
> mario schrieb:
> 
> > My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
> > pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 
> 
> Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type "misc" for such cases.

yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?

> 
> But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
> bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.

I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.

> 
> regards Uwe
> 
my best wishes
mario

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Uwe Stöhr]

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do? 

Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type "misc" for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi (or .pdf)
output?


As I said, the Bibliography doesn't contain images.

But maybe I misunderstand you. Images should not be part of the 
bibliography list - I have never seen that in a published work.


I need for a report about the collection of books from a private
library.


When there are not too many entries (about 20-30) I would quickly create 
BibTeX entries for them before trying nasty TeX-tricks to get an image 
in the bibliography.

Sorry that I cannot help you further.

regards Uwe

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Daniel Lohmann]

On 01.03.2010, at 21:33, mario wrote:


Hi

thanks for your reply.

Il giorno lun, 01/03/2010 alle 17.14 +0100, Uwe Stöhr ha scritto:

mario schrieb:


My question is: I would like to include scans of covers and selected
pages within my bibtex entrie (and final output), how do I do?


Personally, I use the BibTeX entry type "misc" for such cases.


yes, but  then how do you get the scan image in the final .dvi  
(or .pdf)

output?


Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field for  
this purpose?


@book {...

note={\includegraphics{...}}
}

This probably won't work within LyX, as LyX would not copy the image  
files to the temporary generation directory. However, with plain LaTeX  
it might do the trick.



Daniel

Re: Bibtex question. How do I insert scans of covers.

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Lohmann wrote:

> Just an untested idea: Have you tried (mis-)using the "note" field for
> this purpose?
> 
> @book {...
> 
> note={\includegraphics{...}}
> }
> 

Yes but the lists of references is basically a list and if you include a 
graphics at the end of an item of the list, LaTeX is going to do wild 
things.

You would need to redefine the bibliography environment to create some kind 
of tabular where the reference is printed in one cell and the image in the 
adjacent cell.

It is possible (but some work) to do it with some tweaking of biblatex but 
you must have some knowledge of LaTeX.

Charles 

Re: Bibtex question

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Miles wrote:

 Hi.
 Using lyx 1.5.4 on ubuntu, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how
 to reference according to my Uni guidelines - which I believe are Chicago
 Manual of Style. What I need as output that can be seen by the Chicago
 Manual of Style section on this webpage:
 http://web.reed.edu/cis/Help/LaTex/bibtexstyles.html, where it has the
 footnote and then the bibliography at the end. I've selected to use
 natbib, etc, but I cannot figure out how to get lyx to do the footnoting
 part - it still insists on in-text referencing and then providing the
 bibliography at the end.
 Any help would be great.
 Thanks a lot.
 

If you want Chicago style, another option is Charles Schaum biblatex files :

http://groups.google.it/group/comp.text.tex/msg/354f326ca49961b2?hl=frq=chicago.cbx

For biblatex, look at the Lyx wiki

Cheers,
Charles
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Bibtex question

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Miles wrote:

 Hi.
 Using lyx 1.5.4 on ubuntu, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how
 to reference according to my Uni guidelines - which I believe are Chicago
 Manual of Style. What I need as output that can be seen by the Chicago
 Manual of Style section on this webpage:
 http://web.reed.edu/cis/Help/LaTex/bibtexstyles.html, where it has the
 footnote and then the bibliography at the end. I've selected to use
 natbib, etc, but I cannot figure out how to get lyx to do the footnoting
 part - it still insists on in-text referencing and then providing the
 bibliography at the end.
 Any help would be great.
 Thanks a lot.
 

If you want Chicago style, another option is Charles Schaum biblatex files :

http://groups.google.it/group/comp.text.tex/msg/354f326ca49961b2?hl=frq=chicago.cbx

For biblatex, look at the Lyx wiki

Cheers,
Charles
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Bibtex question

[Charles de Miramon]

Daniel Miles wrote:

> Hi.
> Using lyx 1.5.4 on ubuntu, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how
> to reference according to my Uni guidelines - which I believe are Chicago
> Manual of Style. What I need as output that can be seen by the Chicago
> Manual of Style section on this webpage:
> http://web.reed.edu/cis/Help/LaTex/bibtexstyles.html, where it has the
> footnote and then the bibliography at the end. I've selected to use
> natbib, etc, but I cannot figure out how to get lyx to do the footnoting
> part - it still insists on in-text referencing and then providing the
> bibliography at the end.
> Any help would be great.
> Thanks a lot.
> 

If you want Chicago style, another option is Charles Schaum biblatex files :

http://groups.google.it/group/comp.text.tex/msg/354f326ca49961b2?hl=fr&=chicago.cbx

For biblatex, look at the Lyx wiki

Cheers,
Charles
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[Richard Heck]

OK. We'll modify apalike.bst. (I'm assuming that apalike is otherwise
OK, and therefore that the formatting of the author field, etc, is as
you would want it. If you want to start with something else, you can do
that, too.) Copy apalike to apalikemod.bst, put this in your local TeX
tree, run texhash, and then edit as follows.

We're going to need to add a field for the retrieval date and the url.
Let's call them retrieved and url and add them to the ENTRY section
of the .bst file. (That's right at the beginning.)

We're going to define two new BibTeX types for the online periodical and
online document: Let's call them oarticle and odocument. (Change the
names if you like.) Add this to the .bst file:

FUNCTION {oarticle}
{ output.bibitem
  format.authors author output.check
  author format.key output  % special for
  output.year.check % apalike
  new.block
  format.title title output.check
  new.block
  journal emphasize journal output.check
  new.block
  Retrieved  retrieved * , from \url{ * url * } * output
  fin.entry
}

FUNCTION {odocument}
{ output.bibitem
  author empty$
{ format.editors author and editor output.check
  editor format.key output
}
{ format.authors output.nonnull }
  if$
  output.year.check % special for apalike
  new.block
  format.btitle title output.check
  new.block
  Retrieved  retrieved * , from \url{ * url * } * output
  fin.entry
}

Put these near the definition of FUNCTION{article} and the rest.

The former is modeled on the article entry type; the latter on book. So
the latter allows an editor and such, if you happen to have one. I've
removed the cross-reference stuff found in article and book, as that
shouldn't be relevant, as well as the note field.

Note that I haven't tested this, but it should work.

As for JabRef, open OptionsCustomize entry types. On the left, you will
see a list of entry types. Type oarticle in the box at the bottom and
click Add. Add author, title, journal, and year as required fields.
Type retrieved in the box and click Add, and do it again for url.
Add whatever optional fields you want. Repeat the procedure for the
other new entry type, odocument. These will not appear on the New
article menus, but they will appear on the menu you get by right
clicking on the entry type displayed along the left when you go to edit
one. So you can create a new one as whatever you like, right-click on
the entry type, and change it as you wish.

Richard

John Kane wrote:
 --- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Do you want the retrieved from part and the date
 you got it? I'm
 looking at:
 http://www.apastyle.org/elecsource.html
 If this isn't quite what you want, if you can just
 give me two examples,
 I can probably create the style.

 Richard
 

 Yes. Here are a couple of examples. 

 http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/bibtexexample.pdf

 The Retrieved and complete date and from are
 needed.  The text retreived and from strike me as
 redundant but that's what APA likes.

 It would be nice to have the style.  Thanks


   
 John Kane wrote:
 
 --- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
   
 The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL
 
 references
 
 is pretty lame. The
 only real solution I've found is to add my own
 format, or to modify an
 existing one you're not otherwise using. (That
 
 way
 
 JabRef will still
 handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what
 
 you
 
 want references of
 this kind to look like, I can tell you what to
 
 put
 
 in your .bst file.

 Richard
 
 
 Thank you Richard.  

 Have a look at
 http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for
   
 examples
 
 of what I would like to do.  

 APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
 purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical
   
 and
 
 On-line Publication,would be just fine.  

 1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system
   
 for
 
 the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
 complete APA style reference list without errors.
   
 I
 
 believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
 arbitrary. However the format is used by about
   
 1,000
 
 journals and is commonly used as the basis for a
   
 lot
 
 of reports etc. And I grew up with it!




   
   
 John Kane wrote:
 
 
 I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
   
   
 references.
 
 
  My first experiments have been fairly
   
 successful
 
   
   
 but
 
 
 I am wondering how people handle a URL
   
 reference. 
 
 For example I have a reference to a website (
   
 see
 
   
   
 http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
   
   
   
 )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in
   
   
 bibtex or
 
 
 JabRef to work.  It is 

Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[Richard Heck]

OK. We'll modify apalike.bst. (I'm assuming that apalike is otherwise
OK, and therefore that the formatting of the author field, etc, is as
you would want it. If you want to start with something else, you can do
that, too.) Copy apalike to apalikemod.bst, put this in your local TeX
tree, run texhash, and then edit as follows.

We're going to need to add a field for the retrieval date and the url.
Let's call them retrieved and url and add them to the ENTRY section
of the .bst file. (That's right at the beginning.)

We're going to define two new BibTeX types for the online periodical and
online document: Let's call them oarticle and odocument. (Change the
names if you like.) Add this to the .bst file:

FUNCTION {oarticle}
{ output.bibitem
  format.authors author output.check
  author format.key output  % special for
  output.year.check % apalike
  new.block
  format.title title output.check
  new.block
  journal emphasize journal output.check
  new.block
  Retrieved  retrieved * , from \url{ * url * } * output
  fin.entry
}

FUNCTION {odocument}
{ output.bibitem
  author empty$
{ format.editors author and editor output.check
  editor format.key output
}
{ format.authors output.nonnull }
  if$
  output.year.check % special for apalike
  new.block
  format.btitle title output.check
  new.block
  Retrieved  retrieved * , from \url{ * url * } * output
  fin.entry
}

Put these near the definition of FUNCTION{article} and the rest.

The former is modeled on the article entry type; the latter on book. So
the latter allows an editor and such, if you happen to have one. I've
removed the cross-reference stuff found in article and book, as that
shouldn't be relevant, as well as the note field.

Note that I haven't tested this, but it should work.

As for JabRef, open OptionsCustomize entry types. On the left, you will
see a list of entry types. Type oarticle in the box at the bottom and
click Add. Add author, title, journal, and year as required fields.
Type retrieved in the box and click Add, and do it again for url.
Add whatever optional fields you want. Repeat the procedure for the
other new entry type, odocument. These will not appear on the New
article menus, but they will appear on the menu you get by right
clicking on the entry type displayed along the left when you go to edit
one. So you can create a new one as whatever you like, right-click on
the entry type, and change it as you wish.

Richard

John Kane wrote:
 --- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Do you want the retrieved from part and the date
 you got it? I'm
 looking at:
 http://www.apastyle.org/elecsource.html
 If this isn't quite what you want, if you can just
 give me two examples,
 I can probably create the style.

 Richard
 

 Yes. Here are a couple of examples. 

 http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/bibtexexample.pdf

 The Retrieved and complete date and from are
 needed.  The text retreived and from strike me as
 redundant but that's what APA likes.

 It would be nice to have the style.  Thanks


   
 John Kane wrote:
 
 --- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
   
 The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL
 
 references
 
 is pretty lame. The
 only real solution I've found is to add my own
 format, or to modify an
 existing one you're not otherwise using. (That
 
 way
 
 JabRef will still
 handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what
 
 you
 
 want references of
 this kind to look like, I can tell you what to
 
 put
 
 in your .bst file.

 Richard
 
 
 Thank you Richard.  

 Have a look at
 http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for
   
 examples
 
 of what I would like to do.  

 APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
 purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical
   
 and
 
 On-line Publication,would be just fine.  

 1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system
   
 for
 
 the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
 complete APA style reference list without errors.
   
 I
 
 believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
 arbitrary. However the format is used by about
   
 1,000
 
 journals and is commonly used as the basis for a
   
 lot
 
 of reports etc. And I grew up with it!




   
   
 John Kane wrote:
 
 
 I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
   
   
 references.
 
 
  My first experiments have been fairly
   
 successful
 
   
   
 but
 
 
 I am wondering how people handle a URL
   
 reference. 
 
 For example I have a reference to a website (
   
 see
 
   
   
 http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
   
   
   
 )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in
   
   
 bibtex or
 
 
 JabRef to work.  It is 

Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[Richard Heck]

OK. We'll modify apalike.bst. (I'm assuming that apalike is otherwise
OK, and therefore that the formatting of the author field, etc, is as
you would want it. If you want to start with something else, you can do
that, too.) Copy apalike to apalikemod.bst, put this in your local TeX
tree, run texhash, and then edit as follows.

We're going to need to add a field for the retrieval date and the url.
Let's call them "retrieved" and "url" and add them to the ENTRY section
of the .bst file. (That's right at the beginning.)

We're going to define two new BibTeX types for the online periodical and
online document: Let's call them "oarticle" and "odocument". (Change the
names if you like.) Add this to the .bst file:

FUNCTION {oarticle}
{ output.bibitem
  format.authors "author" output.check
  author format.key output  % special for
  output.year.check % apalike
  new.block
  format.title "title" output.check
  new.block
  journal emphasize "journal" output.check
  new.block
  "Retrieved " retrieved * ", from \url{" * url * "}" * output
  fin.entry
}

FUNCTION {odocument}
{ output.bibitem
  author empty$
{ format.editors "author and editor" output.check
  editor format.key output
}
{ format.authors output.nonnull }
  if$
  output.year.check % special for apalike
  new.block
  format.btitle "title" output.check
  new.block
  "Retrieved " retrieved * ", from \url{" * url * "}" * output
  fin.entry
}

Put these near the definition of FUNCTION{article} and the rest.

The former is modeled on the article entry type; the latter on book. So
the latter allows an editor and such, if you happen to have one. I've
removed the cross-reference stuff found in article and book, as that
shouldn't be relevant, as well as the note field.

Note that I haven't tested this, but it should work.

As for JabRef, open Options>Customize entry types. On the left, you will
see a list of entry types. Type "oarticle" in the box at the bottom and
click "Add". Add author, title, journal, and year as required fields.
Type "retrieved" in the box and click "Add", and do it again for "url".
Add whatever optional fields you want. Repeat the procedure for the
other new entry type, "odocument". These will not appear on the "New
article" menus, but they will appear on the menu you get by right
clicking on the entry type displayed along the left when you go to edit
one. So you can create a new one as whatever you like, right-click on
the entry type, and change it as you wish.

Richard

John Kane wrote:
> --- Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Do you want the "retrieved from" part and the date
>> you got it? I'm
>> looking at:
>> http://www.apastyle.org/elecsource.html
>> If this isn't quite what you want, if you can just
>> give me two examples,
>> I can probably create the style.
>>
>> Richard
>> 
>
> Yes. Here are a couple of examples. 
>
> http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/bibtexexample.pdf
>
> The "Retrieved and "complete date" and "from" are
> needed.  The text "retreived" and "from" strike me as
> redundant but that's what APA likes.
>
> It would be nice to have the style.  Thanks
>
>
>   
>> John Kane wrote:
>> 
>>> --- Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL
 
>> references
>> 
 is pretty lame. The
 only real solution I've found is to add my own
 format, or to modify an
 existing one you're not otherwise using. (That
 
>> way
>> 
 JabRef will still
 handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what
 
>> you
>> 
 want references of
 this kind to look like, I can tell you what to
 
>> put
>> 
 in your .bst file.

 Richard
 
 
>>> Thank you Richard.  
>>>
>>> Have a look at
>>> http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for
>>>   
>> examples
>> 
>>> of what I would like to do.  
>>>
>>> APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
>>> purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical
>>>   
>> and
>> 
>>> On-line Publication,would be just fine.  
>>>
>>> 1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system
>>>   
>> for
>> 
>>> the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
>>> complete APA style reference list without errors.
>>>   
>> I
>> 
>>> believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
>>> arbitrary. However the format is used by about
>>>   
>> 1,000
>> 
>>> journals and is commonly used as the basis for a
>>>   
>> lot
>> 
>>> of reports etc. And I grew up with it!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 John Kane wrote:
 
 
> I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
>   
>   
 references.
 
 
>  My first experiments have been fairly
>   
>> successful
>> 
>   
>   

Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[John Kane]

--- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL references
 is pretty lame. The
 only real solution I've found is to add my own
 format, or to modify an
 existing one you're not otherwise using. (That way
 JabRef will still
 handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what you
 want references of
 this kind to look like, I can tell you what to put
 in your .bst file.
 
 Richard

Thank you Richard.  

Have a look at
http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for examples
of what I would like to do.  

APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical and
On-line Publication,would be just fine.  

1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system for
the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
complete APA style reference list without errors. I
believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
arbitrary. However the format is used by about 1,000
journals and is commonly used as the basis for a lot
of reports etc. And I grew up with it!




 
 John Kane wrote:
  I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
 references.
   My first experiments have been fairly successful
 but
  I am wondering how people handle a URL reference. 
 
  For example I have a reference to a website ( see
 

http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
  )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in
 bibtex or
  JabRef to work.  It is rough version of an APA
 format.
 
 
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Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[John Kane]

--- Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL references
 is pretty lame. The
 only real solution I've found is to add my own
 format, or to modify an
 existing one you're not otherwise using. (That way
 JabRef will still
 handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what you
 want references of
 this kind to look like, I can tell you what to put
 in your .bst file.
 
 Richard

Thank you Richard.  

Have a look at
http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for examples
of what I would like to do.  

APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical and
On-line Publication,would be just fine.  

1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system for
the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
complete APA style reference list without errors. I
believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
arbitrary. However the format is used by about 1,000
journals and is commonly used as the basis for a lot
of reports etc. And I grew up with it!




 
 John Kane wrote:
  I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
 references.
   My first experiments have been fairly successful
 but
  I am wondering how people handle a URL reference. 
 
  For example I have a reference to a website ( see
 

http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
  )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in
 bibtex or
  JabRef to work.  It is rough version of an APA
 format.
 
 
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Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[John Kane]

--- Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL references
> is pretty lame. The
> only real solution I've found is to add my own
> format, or to modify an
> existing one you're not otherwise using. (That way
> JabRef will still
> handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what you
> want references of
> this kind to look like, I can tell you what to put
> in your .bst file.
> 
> Richard

Thank you Richard.  

Have a look at
http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html for examples
of what I would like to do.  

APA goes into much wilder details[1] but for my
purposes those two examples, On-line Periodical and
On-line Publication,would be just fine.  

1. The creator of Papyrus a great biblio system for
the older Macs claimed it was impossible to do a
complete APA style reference list without errors. I
believe he felt the system was a bit picky and
arbitrary. However the format is used by about 1,000
journals and is commonly used as the basis for a lot
of reports etc. And I grew up with it!




> 
> John Kane wrote:
> > I have been trying to use JabRef to handle
> references.
> >  My first experiments have been fairly successful
> but
> > I am wondering how people handle a URL reference. 
> >
> > For example I have a reference to a website ( see
> >
>
http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
> > )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in
> bibtex or
> > JabRef to work.  It is rough version of an APA
> format.
> >
> >
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Re: Bibtex question on URL references

[Richard Heck]

The default BibTeX handling of pure-URL references is pretty lame. The
only real solution I've found is to add my own format, or to modify an
existing one you're not otherwise using. (That way JabRef will still
handle the entry for you.) If you tell me what you want references of
this kind to look like, I can tell you what to put in your .bst file.

Richard

John Kane wrote:
 I have been trying to use JabRef to handle references.
  My first experiments have been fairly successful but
 I am wondering how people handle a URL reference. 

 For example I have a reference to a website ( see
 http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/LyX/burdett2004.pdf
 )  and I don't see quite how to set it up in bibtex or
 JabRef to work.  It is rough version of an APA format.


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