Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
> On Dec 21, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jerry Davis wrote: > So here's my vouchery: [ followed by details ] I would like to confirm having done business with Jeff, Gregory, and Stephen, in addition to Peter and other individuals on this list. In every instance the outcome has been positive, reliable, and in no way concerning from outset to outcome. This is not to mention the many other similar interactions I've had with folks around other communities for other systems. While I certainly appreciate the convenience of being able to work with an automated storefront -- Jeff and Gregory offer these as options and it's made life easy for me in the past -- it's certainly not the only way or even my preferred way to do things every time. This is particularly true when dealing with bespoke hardware I'm unfamiliar with. The list is full of attestations to the usefulness of the REX series of hardware gadgets and Stephen's support of them. I'll gladly add my voice to that: my REX was a joy to acquire and is a joy to use.
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Hey, Wayne As I read it you're just expressing a low tolerance for risk. You don't want to lose your $100. I totally understand. As others have said before me, the signposts of trust you mention aren't exactly proof of trustworthiness. When I grew up, having a small community of knowledgeable people vouch for someone you didn't know was all you needed, and something you worked very hard to earn and keep for yourself. It's better than an eBay rating or an Amazon review. Yes, on rare occasion somebody took advantage but they only did that once. Their reputation was shot forevermore afterward. So here's my vouchery: Jeffrey Birt - https://www.soigeneris.com/"Your resource for hi-tech hobbies" I've bought test equipment, product add-ons like the backpack drives, and exchanged repair parts and user manuals with Jeff. Definitely subscribe to his Youtube channel because there's always something interesting on it. Gregory McGill - https://www.arcadeshopper.com/wp/ I've bought hard to find RAM modules for my Model 100. They work and fit beautifully. There's a lot of hard to find parts for old computers on his site. Stephen Adolph - http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX I bought two of the REX# modules. REX# in combination with the Backback drive is an excellent add-on to the Model 100. Being able to create RAM images is perfect for switching apps in and out. I highly recommend contacting the three guys that run the above sites and talk over with them how they stock product, process orders, and ship to a customer. Each operates their store a little differently. They are real people and I've had real conversations with them. Nobody talks to me at Amazon. Nobody human, that is. But Jeff, Greg, and Stephen are active in this group and all three respond to email. I sent Stephen an email requesting two of the REX# modules, he got back with me the next day confirming the order and the total with shipping which was a little less than $100 US. Then he hand-built and tested the modules, sent me a couple emails about how things were progressing, then shipped and sent me an invoice. I think the whole process took two weeks and that was during the pandemic and parts shortage late last year (which apparently is still ongoing). I was a total stranger to Stephen but he didn't invoice me until after the shipping company picked up the order. Stephen took all the risk on that order because the box was gone before I had made payment. He trusted me to follow through and do my part on Paypal. I don't think you have anything to worry about with any of the folks I've bought from. There are probably a whole handful of others I haven't mentioned that are just as trustworthy. Jerry On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:42 PM Mike Stein wrote: > Well put ;-) > > Interesting that clicking a button on a web site seems more effective than > exchanging an email with a seller. A friend of mine died a year ago and his > e-store site is still up as though nothing had happened; you could wait a > while for a reply ;-) > > A sign of the times I guess, when personal contact is perceived as riskier > than a flashy web site... > > I suppose folks are used to actual business sites selling stuff for > Commodores etc. instead of the more personal and friendly atmosphere in > this community, where even 'serious' sellers are active and accessible > participants. I'd think that just being on a site as community-based as > Bitchin100 would suggest that it's not likely a scam. > > m > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:28 PM Brian White wrote: > >> The main REX info page has a large link that says "ordering information" >> >> So far so good. >> >> Following that link presents you with text that says "orders are accepted >> via email". >> >> It's not a big "buy!" button but it's hardly unclear. >> >> At that point I think any sensible person is now on the lookout for an >> email address. Yes, it's annoying that there wasn't a mailto: link right >> there in that line. >> >> And a few lines further down is something that is perhaps slightly >> cryptic, but also cannot be explained any other way than by being an email >> address, and it is far from uncommon to obfuscate email addresses on >> publicly scrape-able web sites. >> >> All in all, the prior text explaining that you need to send an email, and >> the page as a whole, provides sufficient direction. >> >> There is no store or cart system, but there absolutely is ordering >> information as advertised. >> >> It's at *worst*, ever so slightly 90's. Oh the baffling horror. >> >> But there is no way it's actually any sort of minimum requirement or >> obligation for an individual operating at this hobby scale to operate a >> full shopping cart web site, or even an Etsy or ebay store, even if some >> others do. "Order by email" is perfectly reasonable, and obfuscating that >> email from scrapers is also reasonable, whether you happen to think it's >> necessary or not. >> >> You
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Well put ;-) Interesting that clicking a button on a web site seems more effective than exchanging an email with a seller. A friend of mine died a year ago and his e-store site is still up as though nothing had happened; you could wait a while for a reply ;-) A sign of the times I guess, when personal contact is perceived as riskier than a flashy web site... I suppose folks are used to actual business sites selling stuff for Commodores etc. instead of the more personal and friendly atmosphere in this community, where even 'serious' sellers are active and accessible participants. I'd think that just being on a site as community-based as Bitchin100 would suggest that it's not likely a scam. m On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:28 PM Brian White wrote: > The main REX info page has a large link that says "ordering information" > > So far so good. > > Following that link presents you with text that says "orders are accepted > via email". > > It's not a big "buy!" button but it's hardly unclear. > > At that point I think any sensible person is now on the lookout for an > email address. Yes, it's annoying that there wasn't a mailto: link right > there in that line. > > And a few lines further down is something that is perhaps slightly > cryptic, but also cannot be explained any other way than by being an email > address, and it is far from uncommon to obfuscate email addresses on > publicly scrape-able web sites. > > All in all, the prior text explaining that you need to send an email, and > the page as a whole, provides sufficient direction. > > There is no store or cart system, but there absolutely is ordering > information as advertised. > > It's at *worst*, ever so slightly 90's. Oh the baffling horror. > > But there is no way it's actually any sort of minimum requirement or > obligation for an individual operating at this hobby scale to operate a > full shopping cart web site, or even an Etsy or ebay store, even if some > others do. "Order by email" is perfectly reasonable, and obfuscating that > email from scrapers is also reasonable, whether you happen to think it's > necessary or not. > > You could always build your own classic REX > http://tandy.wiki/REX but I promise it's not as convenient as decrypting > that order page. > > -- > bkw > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 11:01 AM Wayne Lorentz wrote: > >> No, there isn't an ordering link on the Rex page. Clicking on "Ordering >> information" just brings you to a page that lists prices and methods of >> payment. >> >> Perhaps it's my fault for not knowing that "twospruces / gmail" after >> the sign-off was supposed to be an e-mail address, and that I'm supposed to >> write a letter to someone at that e-mail address asking for information >> about how I can order their product. My Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder >> Ring is in the shop. What I expected was a link to a PayPal, or other >> service ordering and payment page. He already has a PayPal account. >> Making a proper, secure payment link only takes a few clicks. >> >> Gmail has the second-best spam protection on the planet (after >> FastMail). It's not perfect, but there's no reason to obfuscate a gmail >> address online anymore. That hasn't worked for years. Spambots know all >> the clever tricks already. >> >> While it's nice that everyone in this community is happy to vouch for >> him, how is someone who is not part of this mailing list supposed to know >> that he's not some fly-by-night scam artist? Or perhaps dead, which >> happens all too often in retro computing? Decode and send an e-mail, then >> wait six months for a reply that may never come? Asking someone to send >> $100 to another country requires establishing a basic level of trust. >> >> >> On Dec 20, 2022, at 3:03 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote: >> >> There's a ordering link on the Rex page >> >> https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX >> >> >> https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_Information >> >> Steve's email is on that page but he encoded it so he doesn't get spam. >> Point is you can send him emails through that or he is also on this list. >> >> >> >>
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
The main REX info page has a large link that says "ordering information" So far so good. Following that link presents you with text that says "orders are accepted via email". It's not a big "buy!" button but it's hardly unclear. At that point I think any sensible person is now on the lookout for an email address. Yes, it's annoying that there wasn't a mailto: link right there in that line. And a few lines further down is something that is perhaps slightly cryptic, but also cannot be explained any other way than by being an email address, and it is far from uncommon to obfuscate email addresses on publicly scrape-able web sites. All in all, the prior text explaining that you need to send an email, and the page as a whole, provides sufficient direction. There is no store or cart system, but there absolutely is ordering information as advertised. It's at *worst*, ever so slightly 90's. Oh the baffling horror. But there is no way it's actually any sort of minimum requirement or obligation for an individual operating at this hobby scale to operate a full shopping cart web site, or even an Etsy or ebay store, even if some others do. "Order by email" is perfectly reasonable, and obfuscating that email from scrapers is also reasonable, whether you happen to think it's necessary or not. You could always build your own classic REX http://tandy.wiki/REX but I promise it's not as convenient as decrypting that order page. -- bkw On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 11:01 AM Wayne Lorentz wrote: > No, there isn't an ordering link on the Rex page. Clicking on "Ordering > information" just brings you to a page that lists prices and methods of > payment. > > Perhaps it's my fault for not knowing that "twospruces / gmail" after the > sign-off was supposed to be an e-mail address, and that I'm supposed to > write a letter to someone at that e-mail address asking for information > about how I can order their product. My Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder > Ring is in the shop. What I expected was a link to a PayPal, or other > service ordering and payment page. He already has a PayPal account. > Making a proper, secure payment link only takes a few clicks. > > Gmail has the second-best spam protection on the planet (after FastMail). > It's not perfect, but there's no reason to obfuscate a gmail address online > anymore. That hasn't worked for years. Spambots know all the clever > tricks already. > > While it's nice that everyone in this community is happy to vouch for him, > how is someone who is not part of this mailing list supposed to know that > he's not some fly-by-night scam artist? Or perhaps dead, which happens all > too often in retro computing? Decode and send an e-mail, then wait six > months for a reply that may never come? Asking someone to send $100 to > another country requires establishing a basic level of trust. > > > On Dec 20, 2022, at 3:03 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote: > > There's a ordering link on the Rex page > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_Information > > Steve's email is on that page but he encoded it so he doesn't get spam. > Point is you can send him emails through that or he is also on this list. > > > >
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
On 12/21/2022 9:59 AM, Wayne Lorentz wrote: While it's nice that everyone in this community is happy to vouch for him, how is someone who is not part of this mailing list supposed to know that he's not some fly-by-night scam artist? Or perhaps dead, which happens all too often in retro computing? Decode and send an e-mail, then wait six months for a reply that may never come? Asking someone to send $100 to another country requires establishing a basic level of trust. I don't think making a Paypal link confers any more validity to his business than the current Ordering Information page. In fact, I'd state that the current system shows more integrity, as "fly-by-night" scam artists make it insanely easy to complete the purchase, in hopes of ensnaring more people who are not diligent. As well, A paypal link does not address the concern over a non response, and the email path would be safer in that case, as no money would have changed hands until a conversation is in place. As John notes and Greg explains, this is how Steve wishes to do business, and the community accepts that. I think you would be within your rights to gently reach out to Steve and encourage him to formalize his business, but I'd dial down the tone in the public emails. There's enough drama in all of our lives, goodness knows we don't need any more in our hobbies. I'd say, if you are not personally comfortable purchasing from Steve given the system he has in place, you absolutely should not do so. Jim
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Wayne, Please relax and try not to kick the people still making stuff for retro computers. We all do this in our spare time and it is what it is. Your points are made. I think Stephen wants to limit his exposure to having to deliver these in a manner beyond his capability. Otherwise I'm sure he would do a store or use mine../shrug On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 8:01 AM Wayne Lorentz wrote: > No, there isn't an ordering link on the Rex page. Clicking on "Ordering > information" just brings you to a page that lists prices and methods of > payment. > > Perhaps it's my fault for not knowing that "twospruces / gmail" after the > sign-off was supposed to be an e-mail address, and that I'm supposed to > write a letter to someone at that e-mail address asking for information > about how I can order their product. My Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder > Ring is in the shop. What I expected was a link to a PayPal, or other > service ordering and payment page. He already has a PayPal account. > Making a proper, secure payment link only takes a few clicks. > > Gmail has the second-best spam protection on the planet (after FastMail). > It's not perfect, but there's no reason to obfuscate a gmail address online > anymore. That hasn't worked for years. Spambots know all the clever > tricks already. > > While it's nice that everyone in this community is happy to vouch for him, > how is someone who is not part of this mailing list supposed to know that > he's not some fly-by-night scam artist? Or perhaps dead, which happens all > too often in retro computing? Decode and send an e-mail, then wait six > months for a reply that may never come? Asking someone to send $100 to > another country requires establishing a basic level of trust. > > > On Dec 20, 2022, at 3:03 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote: > > There's a ordering link on the Rex page > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_Information > > Steve's email is on that page but he encoded it so he doesn't get spam. > Point is you can send him emails through that or he is also on this list. > > > >
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Ok. But I'm just telling you how it is not trying to have an argument. Steve created them, he sells them and if you want to buy one the email address is there and as far as I know everyone here who has dealt with him will vouch for him. -- John.
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
No, there isn't an ordering link on the Rex page. Clicking on "Ordering information" just brings you to a page that lists prices and methods of payment. Perhaps it's my fault for not knowing that "twospruces / gmail" after the sign-off was supposed to be an e-mail address, and that I'm supposed to write a letter to someone at that e-mail address asking for information about how I can order their product. My Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring is in the shop. What I expected was a link to a PayPal, or other service ordering and payment page. He already has a PayPal account. Making a proper, secure payment link only takes a few clicks. Gmail has the second-best spam protection on the planet (after FastMail). It's not perfect, but there's no reason to obfuscate a gmail address online anymore. That hasn't worked for years. Spambots know all the clever tricks already. While it's nice that everyone in this community is happy to vouch for him, how is someone who is not part of this mailing list supposed to know that he's not some fly-by-night scam artist? Or perhaps dead, which happens all too often in retro computing? Decode and send an e-mail, then wait six months for a reply that may never come? Asking someone to send $100 to another country requires establishing a basic level of trust. > On Dec 20, 2022, at 3:03 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote: > > There's a ordering link on the Rex page > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > > https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_Information > > Steve's email is on that page but he encoded it so he doesn't get spam. Point > is you can send him emails through that or he is also on this list. >
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Yeah, the Club100 web site could certainly use a little update... ;-) Meanwhile as noted, you'll find everything you need at Bitchin100.com. You can't beat the price and utility of the REX, but before it became readily available some folks just replaced the system ROM with a 27C512 holding the system ROM plus a ROM image like TS-DOS, a socket, a couple of diodes and a resistor. That does preclude any other option ROMs in its socket however and only works for late model M100s using a JEDEC-standard 27256-compatible socket. m - Original Message - From: Wayne Lorentz To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2022 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM I thought about the REX#, but it looks discontinued. There aren't any links on that page to order anything, and no contact information. Not even a name. Super sketchy. If I was going to get a REX, I'd get the CP/M version, as I'm a CP/M enthusiast. But $100 is more than I can do this close to Christmas. That's why I thought if I could find a TS-DOS chip, it might be cheap enough to tide me over. I recently bought one of those Backpack SD card storage devices. The TS-DOS option ROM will work with that, right? — iPhoneから送信 On Dec 18, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Brian White wrote: I'd suggest get a REX#, which comes with ts-dos pre-loaded. http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX You could build a plain rom with only ts-dos, http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom but it ends up costing almost the same as a REX# anyway plus more work. -- bkw
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Hi Wayne, For REX#, you need to look at the bitchin100.com wiki, and email me. twospru...@gmail.com. The 4MB sram chips are super expensive now, as are the cpld chips. That's why the 4mb rexcpm is expensive. Alternatively the 2MB one is more affordable. If you read about REXCPM, then you must have found bitchin100.com? cheers Steve On Sunday, December 18, 2022, Wayne Lorentz wrote: > I thought about the REX#, but it looks discontinued. There aren't any > links on that page to order anything, and no contact information. Not > even a name. Super sketchy. > > If I was going to get a REX, I'd get the CP/M version, as I'm a CP/M > enthusiast. But $100 is more than I can do this close to Christmas. That's > why I thought if I could find a TS-DOS chip, it might be cheap enough to > tide me over. > > I recently bought one of those Backpack SD card storage devices. The > TS-DOS option ROM will work with that, right? > > — > iPhoneから送信 > > On Dec 18, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Brian White wrote: > > > I'd suggest get a REX#, which comes with ts-dos pre-loaded. > http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > You could build a plain rom with only ts-dos, > http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom > but it ends up costing almost the same as a REX# anyway plus more work. > > -- > bkw > >
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
I thought about the REX#, but it looks discontinued. There aren't any links on that page to order anything, and no contact information. Not even a name. Super sketchy. If I was going to get a REX, I'd get the CP/M version, as I'm a CP/M enthusiast. But $100 is more than I can do this close to Christmas. That's why I thought if I could find a TS-DOS chip, it might be cheap enough to tide me over. I recently bought one of those Backpack SD card storage devices. The TS-DOS option ROM will work with that, right? — iPhoneから送信 > On Dec 18, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Brian White wrote: > > > I'd suggest get a REX#, which comes with ts-dos pre-loaded. > http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > You could build a plain rom with only ts-dos, > http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom > but it ends up costing almost the same as a REX# anyway plus more work. > > -- > bkw
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
Brian is right but I might have a TS DOS ROM for you. Are you in Seattle? On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 07:27, Brian White wrote: > I'd suggest get a REX#, which comes with ts-dos pre-loaded. > http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX > > You could build a plain rom with only ts-dos, > http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom > but it ends up costing almost the same as a REX# anyway plus more work. > > -- > bkw > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 8:46 AM Wayne Lorentz wrote: > >> Does anyone know if TS-DOS option ROMS are still being sold anywhere? >> I'd like to use one with TPDD Backpack. >> >> All the online searches point to the Bitchin' 100 web site, which doesn't >> appear to have been updated in 15 years. > >
Re: [M100] TS-DOS Option ROM
I'd suggest get a REX#, which comes with ts-dos pre-loaded. http://www.bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX You could build a plain rom with only ts-dos, http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom but it ends up costing almost the same as a REX# anyway plus more work. -- bkw On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 8:46 AM Wayne Lorentz wrote: > Does anyone know if TS-DOS option ROMS are still being sold anywhere? I'd > like to use one with TPDD Backpack. > > All the online searches point to the Bitchin' 100 web site, which doesn't > appear to have been updated in 15 years.
