date:20100510

You are right, this scripting is powerful and I look forward to learning how 
far we can go to script VO with Applescript. The combination of Terminal and 
scripting is also a powerful tool worth learning.
Vic, you are right, the bash shell for Unix is like DOS but a whole lot cooler. 
Just type help to get started learning it. One thing I also love about it 
over DOS is the filename completion feature and how well it all works with VO.
I do have a couple of questions about VO I have on my list though that I have 
just not been able to find an answer about. Maybe some of you experts could 
provide the scoop on these:

1. Is there a way to make VO quit saying New Line when using the Read All 
function to read a document. I tried turning down the punctuation verbosity 
which is one place it might have been, but it makes no difference. I just want 
to read a document for contents many times and can usually tell from the 
context where here are separations in the text.
2. Also, along the same lines, I would love to be notified about data detector 
present with just a nice click and not the verbal announcement. Can that 
wording be turned off without actually turning off the feature in the editor?
3. When you are using Read All to, say, read an email message, is there a way 
to skip sections and continue to be in the Read All mode? In other words, say 
someone answers a message and you are reading it with Read All then the header 
for the original message appears at the end. Many times, one would like to read 
the original message without all the details of when and where it was sent, and 
I love the fact that you can just hit down arrow quickly a few times to skip 
past it, but It would really be neat if VO reacted to navigation keys in Read 
All mode by acting on the navigation key and continuing the Reading.

On May 9, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

 Yep, this is the most efficient way I would agree, but for those folks who 
 are not familiar with Unix commands or would not be comfortable in Terminal, 
 the Automator process offers a solution. I personally find the Terminal 
 easier, but I'm still curious what I can do with the scripts as well. I'm 
 wondering how complex an operation can be using a script. Just feel like the 
 envelope needs to be stretched. :)
 On May 9, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
 
 Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders.
 Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there.
 You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way indeed.
 On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a while, 
 but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and 
 although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to not 
 affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what 
 is going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other 
 words, if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be 
 able to understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just 
 looking at what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now 
 I have the push I needed to find time to study this.
 
 THanks,
 On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
 Hello Vic,
 
 Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma 
 Antoine Decaux a little while ago.
 
 
 1- Open Automator
 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find 
 services, then press return.
 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the 
 actions description split view. interact with it
 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an 
 expandable element. go down to files and folders.
 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list to 
 move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, 
 but it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session.
 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO 
 should say   move finder items. Interact with it
 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application 
 replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there 
 are static texts and pressable dropbox menus.
 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the list. Then 
 VO right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in the 
 list of choices.
 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items, and 
 interact with that.
 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it.
 -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs.
 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you want.
 
 You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your 
 contextual menu VO shift M, or control mouse click.
 
 If you want

Re: files and folders

I could be wrong, but I think there is some philosophical reason why Apple 
doesn't want cut and paste in the Finder. I think the debate has been going on 
since the introduction of the Mac back in the 80's.
On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

 while this is something I've gotten used to, it is a puzzler that i can move 
 messages in mail from one folder to another within mail but can't do the same 
 thing in finder.  and this was one of the first things I had to get used to 
 with a mac.  I've finally adjusted to where I open to finder windows do my 
 copy and paste and then delete.  perhaps this is something we should ask mac 
 accessibilty about.  I know its not an accessibility issue but it might be a 
 way of getting the concern forwarded to the apple developers.  good luck, Max 
 On May 9, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
 
 Sorry  but I think you missed my exact point. As I've said, That is the very 
 nature of my work and  I  do  it  all  day,  namely  move files and folders. 
 And yes it really matters if we are talking about lots and lots of clips in 
 the gigabyte.
  
 When we're talking of cutting and pasting files,  we  are talking 
 essentially about moving files but really just moving pointers and not 
 really  copying the files themselves. No. A move operation is different from 
 a copy operation. Moving  changes  the  file's  index,  while copying 
 duplicates the bits of the file into a new location.  The former is 
 instantaneous. The latter takes time that is proportional to the size of the 
 file.
  
 Thus,  using cut and paste to move say 2 gigs on to another location would 
 only take less than a  second.  Where  as,  if  I  copied the files to the 
 new location, it would take a much much longer  time  not to mention that I 
 have to go back to the other folder to delete the original files, then that 
 too will take time. Multiply this by the hundred and surely my work is 
 endangered to someone who could drag and drop all day without a blink.
  
 So with all due respect, how does this scenario not affect my  productivity? 
  Are  you  still  going  to  ask  How is this such a central part of 
 getting anything done? I came to this list to resolve Issues and not to 
 argue personal points cause it will  be  a total waste of both our time. 
 Since you mentioned that you have been using the mac for  five  years,  and 
 I said that I only about over a week, I would sincerely be grateful for all  
 or  any  of your input. I'm wondering though that you choose to miss my 
 point and seem to ignore my predicament. I'm only here to learn. Please, I 
 just need to make this work.
  
 Thanks. Vic
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
 Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:32 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: files and folders
  
 Vic,
  
 How is this such a central part of getting anything done. We are talking 
 about moving files from one place to another. Yes it adds one more step, but 
 surely you are not moving such massive quantities of files all  day? This is 
 annoying perhaps for some, but after five years of using the Mac OS, I have 
 not found this to be all that difficult. True, I wish there was a better 
 implementation for drag and drop and I would encourage you to drop a note to 
 accessibil...@apple.com and express your desire for a more efficient drag 
 and drop feature. However, I would not consider the loss of cut and paste to 
 be a basic computing function at all.
  
 On May 9, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
 
 
 I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do 
 without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the 
 derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options 
 towards getting my work done in an efficient manner?
  
 Again, thanks for any help.
  
 Vic
  
 
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

2010-05-10 Thread Scott Howell

Simon,

It does not matter whether Nokia is responsible for most of the technology or 
not. Many manufacturers are using GSM and I am sure legally. Not being a patent 
lawyer, there are either royalties paid or fair use rights involved. I would 
submit that stealing is a rather strong term because stealing implies that the 
company, such as Apple, in fact committed a crime. There is a lot of hair to be 
split over this and there is probably some back story that we are not aware of 
either. Companies may tread heavily into patented technologies, but stealing 
them outright is a bit to bold since that is an easy case to win. Furthermore, 
if Nokia was so concerned, they could have sounded the alarm sooner, but likely 
wanted to wait and see if the iPhone would generate enough revenue to make a 
case worth the money. That goes back to the whole issue of ROI. I think in the 
end the whole case will just blow away because Apple will reach into its rather 
deep pocket and tell Nokia to go away. See Apple has this large pot of money 
that others really want to help them spend and a lawsuit is one way to help a 
company unburden itself from all that spare cash. Wow I'm such a conspiracy 
theorist aren't I? :)

On May 10, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

 Nokia are responsible for   a large portion of the mobile technology we have
 in the world today. 
 I would hope that they aren't going down.
 And besides, apple like other companys will be gilty of steeling patents
 from other companys. It's just part of life.
 

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Re: files and folders

One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based file 
management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well with speech 
called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of them out there 
now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet it would be 
pretty nice.
On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Vic,
 
 I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or 
 your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for the 
 Utilities folder), then pressing T (to go to terminal), followed by 
 Command-Down Arrow (to launch).  The default Unix shell you're using supports 
 tab completion of path and filenames.  This means that you don't have to type 
 out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type as much of the 
 file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, and then press 
 the tab key.  Let's say that under your home directory you have a folder 
 called Documents and another named Downloads.  You want to move to the 
 Documents folder to examine some files by using the cd command in terminal 
 to change your directory. On the command line in terminal, you only need to 
 type cd  (without quotes) followed by a space followed and then type the 
 first few letters of the folder D o c and then press the tab key.  When you 
 press tab, the rest of the folder name will be supplied by the shell, and you 
 only need to press the Return key to execute the command.  If you had just 
 typed D o and pressed tab, you would have been informed of the two folders 
 that matched your entry, Downloads and Documents, and then you would be 
 presented with the command you had typed.  You could then type the c and 
 press tab (to successfully complete the command) and press Return to 
 execute it.
 
 Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would 
 just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the subfolders, 
 and press tab to let the system complete the name.  Each time I needed to 
 move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, then type a few 
 letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press tab, then continue 
 until the full file path was laid out, at which point I would just press the 
 Return key.
 
 For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my 
 home account named Documents/Letters/March and change to this directory in 
 the terminal with the command:
 cd Documents/Letters/March
 I'd actually only type the initial cd command, a space, and then D o c 
 before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in Documents.  Then I 
 would type a slash symbol separator and the letter L (if there were no 
 other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again to 
 let the shell complete the path to now read Documents/Letters.  For the 
 last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters M a r and 
 press tab.  (This assumes that I also have a subfolder named May that needs 
 to be distinguished from March).  When the path is complete, I just press 
 Return to execute the command to change directory to 
 Documents/Letters/March.  I've only typed the letters D o c, L, and M 
 a r out of the entire path.
 
 Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder March, and 
 copy the entry with Command-C.  Then when you switch to Terminal, you type 
 cd with a space, and then paste with Command-V, and press Return.  The 
 pasted entry will be the full path name.
 
 You can copy and paste the paths to files and/or folders from Finder to 
 Terminal.  So you could also do this for the mv command, if you wanted to 
 move a specific file to the folder, Documents/Letters/March.  When you do 
 this  the pasted path is the full path name (e.g. /Users/your 
 account/Documents/Letters/March).
 
 HTH.  For more information about using the command line in terminal, check 
 out the Take Control book, Take Control of the Mac Command Line with 
 Terminal ($10.00 list price) by Joe Kissell which is available as a 
 downloadable PDF file from the Take Control Web site at:
 http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
 The web page describes the book's contents and links a sample excerpt.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 Tinker Tweak wrote:
 
 Larry,
 
 Yes! I just saw the terminal application just tonight. I have the feeling
 that that is something like a command line with a GUI interface. I think
 I'll thrive in it cause I used to be so very comfortable in DOS. Now I have
 to learn the syntax for this OS. Typeing long path and file names will be
 interesting though. Were I 20 years younger, I'd just teach myself
 programming in this platform but now programming was a life lived and not a
 life I'd want to have again.Awe, that old life with ASAP and Pascal
 
 Thank you and so good to have met you here.
 Vic
 
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Re: Finding An Old Love On A New Device

2010-05-10 Thread Thuy

Hey Mark. Is it possible to generate voice clips with other TTS
engines on the Mac? When I set up my girlfriend's shuffle with VO, it
automatically used Alex, and I didn't have any choices. I wanted to
use one of the Acapella voices from Infovox, but wasn't able to do
that even when I had set up the system voice to Lucy or Rachel. Any
ideas?

Cheers

Thuy


On 10/05/2010, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 Hello Everyone,

 I am cross-posting this to both the Mac and iPhone mailing lists for reasons
 that I hope members of both will understand.  If not, then, I hope you will
 appreciate the mystery.  (Smile)

 CHAPTER 1:
 As my iPhone 3GS is my primary means of communicating with the outside
 world, VoiceOver is the synthesizer I use the most.  As we all know, the
 lovely Samantha is the US English voice/personality.  Unlike many I have
 talked to, I really adore her and for quite a while have been searching for
 a way to bring her to my MacBook Pro.  The search has not gone well.

 CHAPTER 2:
 I exercise 5 days out of the week.  I run between 6 to 7 miles during each
 session.  Until recently, I was moderately satisfied with an off-the-shelf
 MP3 player, used to listen to either music or podcasts during my runs.  It
 had always been my intention to purchase RockBox but, as I do not own a
 compatible device, the purchase had been placed on the virtual shelf, to
 coin a phrase.

 CHAPTER 3:
 Three days ago, I stopped in at one of my local Apple stores.  While there,
 I decided to purchase a 16GB Black 5th Generation iPod Nanno.

 Upon attaching the Nanno to my Windows iTunes PC, I discovered that I could
 generate the menu and items voice from any of my computer system's installed
 voices.  As I have both ZoomText and Jaws installed on the computer in
 question, I have a wide variety of high quality SAPI 5 voices from which to
 choose.  I was almost ready to make a selection when I discovered that there
 is an option to generate the Nanno's spoken menu and items synthesizer using
 VoiceOver.

 Generating spoken menus and items using VoiceOver via a Windows
 computer?  Yep!!!  You heard me right.

 Ever the Curious George, I selected this option.

 Imagine my delight to discover that after iTunes and the Nanno danced the
 Technology Tango, I found that my old love, Samantha, is the synthesized
 voice on my new Nanno.

 CHAPTER 4:
 So, instead of purchasing both a new MP3 player and a copy of RockBox, I
 will now use my new Nanno, graced with the presence of my beloved Samantha,
 to, as the saying should have gone, Run west, young man, run west.

 Oh!  And for those of you who may be wondering why I simply don't use my
 iPhone 3GS as an MP3 player during my runs?  It's because I can more easily
 protect the Nanno against sweat and damage.  Also, I prefer to conserve as
 much battery power on my 3GS as possible.

 The End

 Mark

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terminal with finder was:

2010-05-10 Thread William Windels

Hello,
I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on www.automation.com.
The name of the package is: 
UNIX Services Installer.pkg  

This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey to 
it with the keyboard option in the system preferences.

I use very often the service: new terminal to insert location
I have add a hockey to it and:
When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is opening 
on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command.

This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files or 
remove multiple files.
I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory.
This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder.

I am very happy with this.

But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo:
While using Vim, the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some other 
programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the cursor.
I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the 
vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in areas 
where the keyboard-cursor can't come.
Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus  is 
putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus.

I don't know any function in vo that can do this task.

If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private.

best regards,
William 
Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven:

 One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based file 
 management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well with 
 speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of them 
 out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet it 
 would be pretty nice.
 On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Vic,
 
 I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or 
 your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for 
 the Utilities folder), then pressing T (to go to terminal), followed by 
 Command-Down Arrow (to launch).  The default Unix shell you're using 
 supports tab completion of path and filenames.  This means that you don't 
 have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type 
 as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, 
 and then press the tab key.  Let's say that under your home directory you 
 have a folder called Documents and another named Downloads.  You want to 
 move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the cd command 
 in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in terminal, you 
 only need to type cd  (without quotes) followed by a space followed and 
 then type the first few letters of the folder D o c and then press the tab 
 key.  When you press tab, the rest of the folder name will be supplied by 
 the shell, and you only need to press the Return key to execute the 
 command.  If you had just typed D o and pressed tab, you would have been 
 informed of the two folders that matched your entry, Downloads and 
 Documents, and then you would be presented with the command you had typed. 
  You could then type the c and press tab (to successfully complete the 
 command) and press Return to execute it.
 
 Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would 
 just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the 
 subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name.  Each time I 
 needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, then 
 type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press tab, 
 then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I would 
 just press the Return key.
 
 For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my 
 home account named Documents/Letters/March and change to this directory in 
 the terminal with the command:
 cd Documents/Letters/March
 I'd actually only type the initial cd command, a space, and then D o c 
 before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in Documents.  Then I 
 would type a slash symbol separator and the letter L (if there were no 
 other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again 
 to let the shell complete the path to now read Documents/Letters.  For the 
 last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters M a r 
 and press tab.  (This assumes that I also have a subfolder named May that 
 needs to be distinguished from March).  When the path is complete, I just 
 press Return to execute the command to change directory to 
 Documents/Letters/March.  I've only typed the letters D o c, L, and M 
 a r out of the entire path.
 
 Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder March, and 
 copy the entry with Command-C.  Then when

Re: terminal with finder was:

Vim has always been funny with its cursor. I just ran emacs, and VO followis 
its cursor fine. There are other editors as well like Pico, Nano, and more, and 
I imagine they'll all work fine with the cursor.
Vim had this problem with other screen readers, too, if I remember correctly.
On May 10, 2010, at 6:15 AM, William Windels wrote:

 Hello,
 I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on 
 www.automation.com.
 The name of the package is: 
 UNIX Services Installer.pkg  
 
 This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey 
 to it with the keyboard option in the system preferences.
 
 I use very often the service: new terminal to insert location
 I have add a hockey to it and:
 When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is opening 
 on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command.
 
 This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files 
 or remove multiple files.
 I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory.
 This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder.
 
 I am very happy with this.
 
 But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo:
 While using Vim, the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some 
 other programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the cursor.
 I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the 
 vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in areas 
 where the keyboard-cursor can't come.
 Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus  
 is putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus.
 
 I don't know any function in vo that can do this task.
 
 If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private.
 
 best regards,
 William 
 Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven:
 
 One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based 
 file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well 
 with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of 
 them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet 
 it would be pretty nice.
 On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Vic,
 
 I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or 
 your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for 
 the Utilities folder), then pressing T (to go to terminal), followed by 
 Command-Down Arrow (to launch).  The default Unix shell you're using 
 supports tab completion of path and filenames.  This means that you don't 
 have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type 
 as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, 
 and then press the tab key.  Let's say that under your home directory you 
 have a folder called Documents and another named Downloads.  You want 
 to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the cd 
 command in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in 
 terminal, you only need to type cd  (without quotes) followed by a space 
 followed and then type the first few letters of the folder D o c and then 
 press the tab key.  When you press tab, the rest of the folder name will be 
 supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the Return key to 
 execute the command.  If you had just typed D o and pressed tab, you 
 would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, 
 Downloads and Documents, and then you would be presented with the 
 command you had typed.  You could then type the c and press tab (to 
 successfully complete the command) and press Return to execute it.
 
 Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would 
 just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the 
 subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name.  Each time I 
 needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, 
 then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press 
 tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I 
 would just press the Return key.
 
 For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my 
 home account named Documents/Letters/March and change to this directory 
 in the terminal with the command:
 cd Documents/Letters/March
 I'd actually only type the initial cd command, a space, and then D o c 
 before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in Documents.  Then I 
 would type a slash symbol separator and the letter L (if there were no 
 other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again 
 to let the shell complete the path to now read Documents/Letters.  For 
 the last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters M a 
 r and press tab.  (This assumes that I also have a subfolder

RE: matlab

2010-05-10 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

Hi Edward,

 

Matlab isn’t bad, though I haven’t played with it much.  I’ve asked our
technicians to get me a version for Mac, so I’ll respond within a few days.

 

Cheers,

 

Dónal

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: 04 May 2010 00:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: matlab

 

Hello all, 

Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be
pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or
engineering packages that work well with vo?

Thanks 
Edward 

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Re: terminal with finder was:

2010-05-10 Thread William Windels

Sorry but, I don't agree.
Vim is working great on linux with brltty on linux systems.
Also, vim or vi (vim without m) is much more powerfull then pico or nano.
  I think the task to jump to the keyboard focus is a basic command in text 
environment.

William 
Op 10-mei-2010, om 12:24 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven:

 Vim has always been funny with its cursor. I just ran emacs, and VO followis 
 its cursor fine. There are other editors as well like Pico, Nano, and more, 
 and I imagine they'll all work fine with the cursor.
 Vim had this problem with other screen readers, too, if I remember correctly.
 On May 10, 2010, at 6:15 AM, William Windels wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on 
 www.automation.com.
 The name of the package is: 
 UNIX Services Installer.pkg  
 
 This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey 
 to it with the keyboard option in the system preferences.
 
 I use very often the service: new terminal to insert location
 I have add a hockey to it and:
 When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is 
 opening on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command.
 
 This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files 
 or remove multiple files.
 I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory.
 This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder.
 
 I am very happy with this.
 
 But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo:
 While using Vim, the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some 
 other programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the 
 cursor.
 I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the 
 vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in 
 areas where the keyboard-cursor can't come.
 Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus  
 is putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus.
 
 I don't know any function in vo that can do this task.
 
 If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private.
 
 best regards,
 William 
 Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven:
 
 One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based 
 file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well 
 with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of 
 them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I 
 bet it would be pretty nice.
 On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Vic,
 
 I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or 
 your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for 
 the Utilities folder), then pressing T (to go to terminal), followed by 
 Command-Down Arrow (to launch).  The default Unix shell you're using 
 supports tab completion of path and filenames.  This means that you don't 
 have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type 
 as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, 
 and then press the tab key.  Let's say that under your home directory you 
 have a folder called Documents and another named Downloads.  You want 
 to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the cd 
 command in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in 
 terminal, you only need to type cd  (without quotes) followed by a space 
 followed and then type the first few letters of the folder D o c and 
 then press the tab key.  When you press tab, the rest of the folder name 
 will be supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the Return key 
 to execute the command.  If you had just typed D o and pressed tab, you 
 would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, 
 Downloads and Documents, and then you would be presented with the 
 command you had typed.  You could then type the c and press tab (to 
 successfully complete the command) and press Return to execute it.
 
 Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would 
 just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the 
 subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name.  Each time 
 I needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, 
 then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press 
 tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I 
 would just press the Return key.
 
 For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my 
 home account named Documents/Letters/March and change to this directory 
 in the terminal with the command:
 cd Documents/Letters/March
 I'd actually only type the initial cd command, a space, and then D o c 
 before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in Documents.  Then I 
 would type a slash

RE: matlab

Yes thanks would be much interested.

Thanks
Edward
 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: matlab

Hi Edward,

 

Matlab isn’t bad, though I haven’t played with it much.  I’ve asked our
technicians to get me a version for Mac, so I’ll respond within a few days.

 

Cheers,

 

Dónal

 

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Sent: 04 May 2010 00:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: matlab

 

Hello all, 

Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be
pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or
engineering packages that work well with vo?

Thanks
Edward 

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Re: Why can't I copy anything to my external hard drive it's not even half full?

2010-05-10 Thread John J Herzog

As said before, NTFS 3g is free software for the mac. It allows you to 
both read and write in NTFS.
Due to technical limitations in the fat 32 format, this is no longer 
recommended for hard drives. I will briefly explain why.
1. Fat 32 does not allow a file to be stored that is larger than 4 gigs 
in size.
2. fat 32 has no redundancy. So in other words, if one part of a file 
gets corrupt, you can pretty much kiss that file goodbye. With NTFS and 
mac extended journaled formats, you have a better chance of recovering 
said file.
Get NTFS 3g for free with the mac, and NTFS is a good cross platform 
format. Works even on a ubuntu machine, as that OS can natively support 
NTFS reading and writing.
Note: Mac OS format is good too, but windows can neither read nor write 
to it without software like MacDrive. On 5/10/2010 4:04 AM, Simon 
Fogarty wrote:

NTFS is the file system or structure in which files are saved / written to
the hard drive.
  Mac will not write to NTFS file structures.
  Windows will and anything windows after windows nt, use ntfs as it allows
for better security and supposably  more stable.
If you wish to use the drive on both a mac and a windows based machines then
I would highly suggest reformatting the drive as a fat 32  file structure.
  This is the best format for use in both OS platforms.

Otherwise your going to have to spend money on something that isn't really
needed.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Curran
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 5:21 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why can't I copy anything to my external hard drive it's not
even half full?

I did use it with Windows, so I don't know what NDFS is. Where can this
software be purchased?
On 09/05/2010, at 1:31 in the morning, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

   

Here's a thought, could this harddrive possibly be formatted in nTFS?  If
 

so, that's probably why.  I believe  there is software you can  get, so
that you'll be able to   write to NTFS formatted  drives.
   

On May 8, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

 

Hi,
I was wondering if there is some kind of trick for copying something from
   

the hard drive of my Mack to my external one with mixed content. I tried to
do command-v, but it didn't work. It's not the hard drive I use to do my
time machine backups on. Any help would be appreciated.
   

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Re: matlab

2010-05-10 Thread Barry Hadder

I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like environment. 
 There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at 
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.  

Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch and it will 
take a long time.

On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be 
 pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or 
 engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
 Thanks 
 Edward
 
 
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RE: matlab

Hello,
How accessible is it?  Have you had any probloems?
Thanks
Edward
 

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Subject: Re: matlab

I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like
environment.  There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.  

Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch and it
will take a long time.

On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be
pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or
engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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Re: matlab

2010-05-10 Thread Barry Hadder

Hi,

It is text based so accessibility isn't an issue.  You run it from within 
terminal.  There are ways of making graphical plots if you need to, but it's 
been a while sense I played with that feature.

On May 10, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Edward wrote:

 Hello,
 How accessible is it?  Have you had any probloems?
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
 Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:57 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like
 environment.  There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at
 http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.  
 
 Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch and it
 will take a long time.
 
 On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be
 pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or
 engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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is there an ipad e-mail list/discussion group?

2010-05-10 Thread Christina

Hello list,

I got an iPad for Mom's Day.  :)  How super sweet of my family.  So, I have 
lots to learn and I just applied to the viPhone list but I'm not sure where 
would be appropriate to ask questions about the iPad.  I do not want to bombard 
this list or the viphone list with discussions about the iPad if they're off 
topic.  So, I guess I need to also know if discussions of the iPad are 
considered off topic for this group.  

Thanks,
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RE: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug

2010-05-10 Thread Bryan Smart

I noticed that, on my iPad, the hiss is there, even if VoiceOver is off.

When I first start the iPad, if I immediately lock the screen, the speaker will 
shut off in about 10 seconds. That's fine. After I've toggled VoiceOver on/off 
once, from that point forward, when the screen is locked, the hiss continues 
indefinitely. The iPad is supposed to be able to run for a long time just 
playng music (with the basic audio hardware running), but it sucks to have this 
drain going on when you're not even doing anything with it. I'm not sure that 
VoiceOver is directly involved, but VoiceOver influences it.

The iPad has a very thin usage statistics screen. It only shows me how much 3G 
data I've used.

Bryan

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Hello Marie,

Some people can hear a hiss from the iPhone when it is supposed to be in 
Standby mode. They can also hear a sound when they press the volume control. 
You can check whether your iPhone is going into Standby mode by looking at the 
Usage statistics (Settings, General, Usage). If your Usage and Standby are the 
same, you have the problem, if they are different, your iPhone is working 
correctly.

I get about 8 hours constant usage out of my iPhone, which usually works out at 
between 2 and 4 days between charges.

Cheers,

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RE: matlab

Hello
Does it give you the same functionality as matlab?  I am attending college
for electrical engineering and they use matlab here.  If I had to, can I use
matlab with voice over?

Thanks for your help,
edward 

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Hi,

It is text based so accessibility isn't an issue.  You run it from within
terminal.  There are ways of making graphical plots if you need to, but it's
been a while sense I played with that feature.

On May 10, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Edward wrote:

 Hello,
 How accessible is it?  Have you had any probloems?
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like 
 environment.  There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at 
 http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.
 
 Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch and 
 it will take a long time.
 
 On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should 
 be
 pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or 
 engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
 Thanks
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Re: is there an ipad e-mail list/discussion group?

2010-05-10 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Christina,

The VIPhone list is also for the iPad now. This was clearly stated by the 
moderators recently, so you've chosen to join the right list.

I hope you enjoy your iPad.

Cheers,

Anne


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 I got an iPad for Mom's Day.  :)  How super sweet of my family.  So, I have 
 lots to learn and I just applied to the viPhone list but I'm not sure where 
 would be appropriate to ask questions about the iPad.  I do not want to 
 bombard this list or the viphone list with discussions about the iPad if 
 they're off topic.  So, I guess I need to also know if discussions of the 
 iPad are considered off topic for this group.  
 
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Re: is there an ipad e-mail list/discussion group?

2010-05-10 Thread Christina

Thanks so much.

Sent from my iPad

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 Hello Christina,
 
 The VIPhone list is also for the iPad now. This was clearly stated by the 
 moderators recently, so you've chosen to join the right list.
 
 I hope you enjoy your iPad.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On May 10, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Christina wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 I got an iPad for Mom's Day.  :)  How super sweet of my family.  So, I have 
 lots to learn and I just applied to the viPhone list but I'm not sure where 
 would be appropriate to ask questions about the iPad.  I do not want to 
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for 
large companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver 
in case somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by 
exploiting those discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path 
to mutually assured damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, 
I'm sure I can come up with five of my own you're stepping on, so back 
off. Then it comes down to messy court battles with suits and 
countersuits to see who holds the best hand and has the deepest pockets. 
Sometimes these things get settled and there is a press release about 
the glorious new world where to friends are going to mutually assist 
each other by cross-pollinating their technology portfolios. Other times 
somebody goes down and has to cough up cash.


I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were 
sued by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had 
these patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality 
telco over plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along 
and once they got big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their 
patents and trounced Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in 
rolling out a product or service that was lower cost and competed with 
their own high-margin services? They wouldn't, and with their patents 
they could make sure nobody else did either.


So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's 
patents and think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were 
weak/obiovus? Did Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like 
Apple stumbled upon a better but less profitable way to do something? 
Maybe they were submarine patents that Nokia held in secret just in case 
somebody came up with something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers 
are going to have the time and details to sort all that out.


Fun reading on mutually assured damage:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html

And the related submarine patent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent

CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

The article says
--
During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
--


Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents.

Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. 
They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget 
with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage 
system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a 
membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for 
inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might 
not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even 
care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, 
demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file 
and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll 
sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then 
you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, 
and they'll be back to business as usual.

Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple 
deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to 
win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia 
can make life very unpleasant for them.

The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while 
giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming 
alliances of threat.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM
To: mac vissionaries
Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia 
patents

Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents


NOKIA



Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents




Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against 
Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, 
alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important 
Nokia patents.


The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data 
transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in 
antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing 
smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important 
to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

IDC released their worldwide stats on smartphone marketshare last 
Friday. True that Apple is still 3rd, but the notable bit is growth. RIM 
and Nokia each grew by 45 and 57 percent respectivly but Apple grew by 
131%. Apple's volume was only a bit behind RIM (8.8M v. 10.6M) so RIM 
has to be hearing footsteps running after them, and Apple's growth shows 
no signs of slowing. They just keep coming our with stuff people want 
and fixing up weak spots (IDE, Multitasking, AppStore, iBook etc). If I 
were Nokia I'd start drawing a defensive line and calling in favors 
while their sales ratios are two to one compared to Apple. This time 
last year it was more that three to one and it's not an unreasonable bet 
that next year it will be one to one.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Worldwide-Converged-Mobile-bw-3286458415.html?x=0

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-iphone-smartphone-market-share-surges-rim-slips/34181

CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the 
ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are 
Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. 
BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 
iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.

As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.

These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
Nokia patents

and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
that potentially has the most money.

On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:

  

sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right 
now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat 
lisencing contract.
On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:


agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:


  
Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.


On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
Nokia patents



NOKIA



Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents




Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.


The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.


Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation.


During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 
40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and 
mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by 
Nokia's strong patent portfolio.


About Nokia
At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine 
advanced technology with personalized services that enable people 
to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 
billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from 
mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile 
computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative 
services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, 
email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital 
mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for

Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread Esther

Hi All,

Here's an alternative, promising eBook reader for books in ePub format
without DRM: Ibis Reader. It works with VoiceOver on the iPhone, iPod
Touch, and iPad, and allows bookmarking but has some odd features in
terms of navigation. You can read DRM-free ePub books either on your
computer or mobile device, and keep them in sync. I'll excerpt the
description from Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, Ibis
Reader for iPhone: A Web App That Thinks It's a Native App:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/

begin excerpt

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything that
you’d expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big difference: It
doesn’t come from the App Store. The app runs on any iPhone or iPod
Touch and offers full offline access to your library of books, and is
as fast and responsive as a native iPhone application. It manages this
through the magic of HTML5, which is supported by Mobile Safari and -
crucially - offers offline storage for web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be asked
if you will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After agreeing, you
hit the “+” button and add the app to the home-screen. Now, when
you hit that button, you are launched directly into Ibis, not just a
tab in Safari, and because it stores both itself and your downloaded
books locally, it’ll even work with an iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap either
side of the screen to flip pages and touch the center to access more
settings. You can browse for public domain books from Feedbooks from
within the app, and even add books from the URL of your choice.
Anything downloaded is stored for you in a local library, and if you
opt to sign up for an Ibis account, you can read, fully synced, across
multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple’s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the ePub
standard format, and you can even upload these files to your account
from your desktop web browser, from where they will automatically
appear on your mobile device. And because Android uses Webkit for its
browser, it too can install and use the app offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it really
does behave like a local application, although sometimes it is not
quite as fast when flipping between different sections. In fact,
there’s only one thing that really gives it away: scrolling is a lot
slower. Whereas in a native app you can “throw” a page and it
speedily scrolls up or down, the “elastic” holding the pages of web
apps is a lot stronger. It’s not just Ibis. This is a problem with
all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a proof-of-
concept for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is straight-
up amazing.

end excerpt

Additional Information and Some VoiceOver-Specific comments:
1. The web site to visit is:
ibisreader.com
If you visit this site from an iPhone or iPod Touch, the link to
install comes up immediately. On an iPad, there will be a link to a
version that is optimized for the iPad. In both cases, the + button
is what VoiceOver reads out as the Utilities button in Safari. This
is at the bottom center of the screen on the iPhone, and along the top
menu bar on the iPad. The iPad-specific installation is a bit
confusing because there is a graphic that is an arrow pointing to the
button (that you won't be able to use), as well as the fact that
VoiceOver announces the button as Utilities instead of +. Just
ignore this part of the instructions, find the Utilities button, and
double tap the Add to Home Screen button. I actually found it
easier to navigate the iPhone/iPod Touch version of the app, since the
links and buttons are laid out out to be close to each other.

2. When you reach the account page you can create your account by
simply typing in an email address and password into the text fields.
There are buttons just above the virtual keyboard for previous,
next, autofill, and done that you can use to move focus to the
next text field (e.g., type in your email address, then double tap the
next button above the virtual keyboard to move to the password
field, and either double tap the done button to dismiss the keyboard
and access the page to double tap the OK button, or double tap the
Go button at the bottom right of the keyboard). Alternatively, you
can just double tap the text field for password and input -- the
next, previous, and done buttons are easier to use on the iPad
to move focus to fields. Using the Go button saves you having to
double tap the OK button on the field -- login is immediate.

3. The top buttons on the home page are My Books, Get Books, and
Sign In/Out. At present Get Books points to

Re: files and folders

Not sure what you mean by text based file manger. If you are in terminal
you generally can store file manipulation commands in a text file and
then run all those as a batch. For example, say I have a file called
test and I'm always making a copy to test2 I could make a new text
file called stuff with emacs in the same folder. In that text file I
would put the command

cp test test2

which makes a copy of test into test2. Next I save the file, exist out
of emacs and then set the permissions so it can be executed with

chmod a+x stuff

Then at any time I could do

./stuff

to get a new copy of test. This is all unix geekery but that's what OSX
is under the hood. Speaking of geekery, you have to use ./ in front of
the file name because the present directory is not in your path by
default. You can add it by typing

export PATH=./:$PATH

At least that fixes it until you restart terminal, but I've already gone
too far down this rabbit hole.

Larry Skutchan wrote:

One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based file
management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well with speech
called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of them out there
now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet it would be
pretty nice.
On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Vic,

I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for the Utilities folder), then pressing T
(to go to terminal), followed by Command-Down Arrow (to launch). The default Unix shell you're using supports tab completion of path and filenames. This means that you don't have to type out long
file names or paths in full -- you only need to type as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, and then press the tab key. Let's say that under your home directory
you have a folder called Documents and another named Downloads. You want to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the cd command in terminal
to change your directory. On the command line in terminal, you only need to type cd (without quotes) followed by a space followed and then type the first few letters of the folder
D o c and then press the tab key. When you press tab, the rest of the folder name will be supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the Return key to execute the
command. If you had just typed D o and pressed tab, you would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, Downloads and Documents, and then you
would be presented with the command you had typed. You could then type the c and press tab (to successfully complete the command) and press Return to execute it.

Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would just type the
parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the subfolders, and press tab to let the
system complete the name. Each time I needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a
slash for the separator, then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name,
then press tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I
would just press the Return key.

For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my home account
named Documents/Letters/March and change to this directory in the terminal
with the command:
cd Documents/Letters/March
I'd actually only type the initial cd command, a space, and then D o c before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in Documents. Then I would type a slash symbol
separator and the letter L (if there were no other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again to let the shell complete the path to now read Documents/Letters.
For the last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters M a r and press tab. (This assumes that I also have a subfolder named May that needs to be distinguished from
March). When the path is complete, I just press Return to execute the command to change directory to Documents/Letters/March. I've only typed the letters D o
c, L, and M a r out of the entire path.

Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder March, and copy the entry with
Command-C. Then when you switch to Terminal, you type cd with a space, and then paste with
Command-V, and press Return. The pasted entry will be the full path name.

You can copy and paste the paths to files and/or folders from Finder to Terminal. So you could also do this for
the mv command, if you wanted to move a specific file to the folder,
Documents/Letters/March. When you do this the pasted path is the full path name (e.g.
/Users/your account/Documents/Letters/March).

HTH. For more information about using the command line in terminal, check out the Take
Control book, Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal ($10.00 list

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

2010-05-10 Thread Scott Howell

THanks for sharing the references, I must go read.
Btw, VZ had at one time a VOIP service called Voice WIng or something wing and 
it did disappear apparently a few years ago and this was before they rolled out 
their Fios service. I would agree this is a really expensive and very 
entertaining game companies play and we'll have to sit back with a bag of 
popcorn and a cold beer and see where all this heads.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

 Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for large 
 companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver in case 
 somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by exploiting those 
 discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path to mutually assured 
 damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, I'm sure I can come up 
 with five of my own you're stepping on, so back off. Then it comes down to 
 messy court battles with suits and countersuits to see who holds the best 
 hand and has the deepest pockets. Sometimes these things get settled and 
 there is a press release about the glorious new world where to friends are 
 going to mutually assist each other by cross-pollinating their technology 
 portfolios. Other times somebody goes down and has to cough up cash.
 
 I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were sued 
 by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had these 
 patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality telco over 
 plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along and once they got 
 big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their patents and trounced 
 Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in rolling out a product or 
 service that was lower cost and competed with their own high-margin services? 
 They wouldn't, and with their patents they could make sure nobody else did 
 either.
 
 So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's patents and 
 think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were weak/obiovus? Did 
 Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like Apple stumbled upon a 
 better but less profitable way to do something? Maybe they were submarine 
 patents that Nokia held in secret just in case somebody came up with 
 something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers are going to have the time 
 and details to sort all that out.
 
 Fun reading on mutually assured damage:
 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html
 
 And the related submarine patent:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent
 
 CB

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Re: Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread marie Howarth

Thanks for this info Ester.

On 10 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:

Hi All,

Here's an alternative, promising eBook reader for books in ePub format
without DRM: Ibis Reader. It works with VoiceOver on the iPhone, iPod Touch,
and iPad, and allows bookmarking but has some odd features in terms of
navigation. You can read DRM-free ePub books either on your computer or
mobile device, and keep them in sync. I'll excerpt the description from
Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, Ibis Reader for iPhone: A Web
App That Thinks It's a Native App:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/
begin excerpt

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything that you’d
expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big difference: It doesn’t come
from the App Store. The app runs on any iPhone or iPod Touch and offers full
offline access to your library of books, and is as fast and responsive as a
native iPhone application. It manages this through the magic of HTML5, which
is supported by Mobile Safari and - crucially - offers offline storage for
web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be asked if you
will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After agreeing, you hit the “+”
button and add the app to the home-screen. Now, when you hit that button, you
are launched directly into Ibis, not just a tab in Safari, and because it
stores both itself and your downloaded books locally, it’ll even work with an
iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap either side of
the screen to flip pages and touch the center to access more settings. You
can browse for public domain books from Feedbooks from within the app, and
even add books from the URL of your choice. Anything downloaded is stored for
you in a local library, and if you opt to sign up for an Ibis account, you
can read, fully synced, across multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple’s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the ePub
standard format, and you can even upload these files to your account from
your desktop web browser, from where they will automatically appear on your
mobile device. And because Android uses Webkit for its browser, it too can
install and use the app offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it really does
behave like a local application, although sometimes it is not quite as fast
when flipping between different sections. In fact, there’s only one thing
that really gives it away: scrolling is a lot slower. Whereas in a native app
you can “throw” a page and it speedily scrolls up or down, the “elastic”
holding the pages of web apps is a lot stronger. It’s not just Ibis. This is
a problem with all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a proof-of-concept
for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is straight-up amazing.

end excerpt

Additional Information and Some VoiceOver-Specific comments:
1. The web site to visit is:
ibisreader.com
If you visit this site from an iPhone or iPod Touch, the link to install
comes up immediately. On an iPad, there will be a link to a version that is
optimized for the iPad. In both cases, the + button is what VoiceOver reads
out as the Utilities button in Safari. This is at the bottom center of the
screen on the iPhone, and along the top menu bar on the iPad. The
iPad-specific installation is a bit confusing because there is a graphic that
is an arrow pointing to the button (that you won't be able to use), as well
as the fact that VoiceOver announces the button as Utilities instead of
+. Just ignore this part of the instructions, find the Utilities button,
and double tap the Add to Home Screen button. I actually found it easier
to navigate the iPhone/iPod Touch version of the app, since the links and
buttons are laid out out to be close to each other.

2. When you reach the account page you can create your account by simply
typing in an email address and password into the text fields. There are
buttons just above the virtual keyboard for previous, next, autofill,
and done that you can use to move focus to the next text field (e.g., type
in your email address, then double tap the next button above the virtual
keyboard to move to the password field, and either double tap the done
button to dismiss the keyboard and access the page to double tap the OK
button, or double tap the Go button at the bottom right of the keyboard).
Alternatively, you can just double tap the text field for password and input
-- the next, previous, and done buttons are easier to use on the iPad
to move focus to fields. Using the Go button saves you having to double tap
the OK button on the field -- login is immediate.

3. The top buttons on the home page are

Re: Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread Hai Nguyen

Thank you Ester for this wonderful nugget. I've downloaded and installed with
no issues thus far. The only downside to this ap thus far is the lack of
responsiveness with Voiceover on the iPod touch. I'm definitely interested to
hear what others think.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:57 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

Thanks for this info Ester.

On 10 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:

Hi All,

Here's an alternative, promising eBook reader for books in ePub format
without DRM: Ibis Reader. It works with VoiceOver on the iPhone, iPod Touch,
and iPad, and allows bookmarking but has some odd features in terms of
navigation. You can read DRM-free ePub books either on your computer or
mobile device, and keep them in sync. I'll excerpt the description from
Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, Ibis Reader for iPhone: A Web
App That Thinks It's a Native App:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/
begin excerpt

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything that you’d
expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big difference: It doesn’t come
from the App Store. The app runs on any iPhone or iPod Touch and offers full
offline access to your library of books, and is as fast and responsive as a
native iPhone application. It manages this through the magic of HTML5, which
is supported by Mobile Safari and - crucially - offers offline storage for
web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be asked if you
will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After agreeing, you hit the “+”
button and add the app to the home-screen. Now, when you hit that button,
you are launched directly into Ibis, not just a tab in Safari, and because
it stores both itself and your downloaded books locally, it’ll even work
with an iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap either side of
the screen to flip pages and touch the center to access more settings. You
can browse for public domain books from Feedbooks from within the app, and
even add books from the URL of your choice. Anything downloaded is stored
for you in a local library, and if you opt to sign up for an Ibis account,
you can read, fully synced, across multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple’s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the ePub
standard format, and you can even upload these files to your account from
your desktop web browser, from where they will automatically appear on your
mobile device. And because Android uses Webkit for its browser, it too can
install and use the app offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it really does
behave like a local application, although sometimes it is not quite as fast
when flipping between different sections. In fact, there’s only one thing
that really gives it away: scrolling is a lot slower. Whereas in a native
app you can “throw” a page and it speedily scrolls up or down, the “elastic”
holding the pages of web apps is a lot stronger. It’s not just Ibis. This is
a problem with all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a
proof-of-concept for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is
straight-up amazing.

end excerpt

Additional Information and Some VoiceOver-Specific comments:
1. The web site to visit is:
ibisreader.com
If you visit this site from an iPhone or iPod Touch, the link to install
comes up immediately. On an iPad, there will be a link to a version that is
optimized for the iPad. In both cases, the + button is what VoiceOver
reads out as the Utilities button in Safari. This is at the bottom center
of the screen on the iPhone, and along the top menu bar on the iPad. The
iPad-specific installation is a bit confusing because there is a graphic
that is an arrow pointing to the button (that you won't be able to use), as
well as the fact that VoiceOver announces the button as Utilities instead
of +. Just ignore this part of the instructions, find the Utilities
button, and double tap the Add to Home Screen button. I actually found it
easier to navigate the iPhone/iPod Touch version of the app, since the links
and buttons are laid out out to be close to each other.

Not receiving group messages

2010-05-10 Thread Gary

Hi,
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Re: matlab

2010-05-10 Thread Barry Hadder

It is practically 100 percent compatible with matlab.  There may be some very 
slight modifications to be made in your code every now and then, but it 
shouldn't be much.  The graphical image plots arent as polished as matlab, but 
there isn't much you can't do with matlab that you can't do with octave.  It's 
very powerful, and I never sees to be amaze that it is free.

When I was in school, the student version of matlab cost $100, and one still 
needed to leave the CD in the machine to run it.  I considered that 
unacceptable.

On May 10, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Edward wrote:

 Hello
 Does it give you the same functionality as matlab?  I am attending college
 for electrical engineering and they use matlab here.  If I had to, can I use
 matlab with voice over?
 
 Thanks for your help,
 edward 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 Hi,
 
 It is text based so accessibility isn't an issue.  You run it from within
 terminal.  There are ways of making graphical plots if you need to, but it's
 been a while sense I played with that feature.
 
 On May 10, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello,
 How accessible is it?  Have you had any probloems?
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like 
 environment.  There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at 
 http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.
 
 Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch and 
 it will take a long time.
 
 On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should 
 be
 pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or 
 engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
 Thanks
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Re: Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread Esther

Hello,

I first tried Ibis Reader on an iPad, and the download went pretty
well. I was beginning to wonder whether the difference in initial
responsiveness on the iPod Touch (much more sluggish with VoiceOver)
was due to space or VoiceOver. It definitely took a while for the
download from a selected source to go through on the iPod Touch and
settle in. I even power-cycled my device and checked the Wi-Fi
connection. This did work better after a while. I'd also be
interested to hear what others experience.

The page not updating experience, and advancing by double tapping the
Next button (to move focus there) and then double tapping on the
screen to advance was a little strange. VoiceOver reads through till
the end of the chapter, but doesn't update the current page. There
should be a more efficient way to work with this. Ibis Reader has
some glitches, but works better at present than Stanza does, and might
work really well with some feedback to the developer. The iBooks
interface is better than this, but it's not so easy to add third party
eBooks without syncing through iTunes.

Cheers,

Esther

On 10 May 2010, at 09:16, Hai Nguyen wrote:

Thank you Ester for this wonderful nugget. I've downloaded and
installed with no issues thus far. The only downside to this ap thus
far is the lack of responsiveness with Voiceover on the iPod touch.
I'm definitely interested to hear what others think.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:57 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

Thanks for this info Ester.

On 10 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:

Hi All,

Here's an alternative, promising eBook reader for books in ePub
format without DRM: Ibis Reader. It works with VoiceOver on the
iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad, and allows bookmarking but has some
odd features in terms of navigation. You can read DRM-free ePub
books either on your computer or mobile device, and keep them in
sync. I'll excerpt the description from Wired's Gadget Lab
article by Charlie Sorrel, Ibis Reader for iPhone: A Web App That
Thinks It's a Native App:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/

begin excerpt

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything
that you’d expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big
difference: It doesn’t come from the App Store. The app runs on
any iPhone or iPod Touch and offers full offline access to your
library of books, and is as fast and responsive as a native iPhone
application. It manages this through the magic of HTML5, which is
supported by Mobile Safari and - crucially - offers offline
storage for web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be
asked if you will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After
agreeing, you hit the “+” button and add the app to the home-
screen. Now, when you hit that button, you are launched directly
into Ibis, not just a tab in Safari, and because it stores both
itself and your downloaded books locally, it’ll even work with an
iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap
either side of the screen to flip pages and touch the center to
access more settings. You can browse for public domain books from
Feedbooks from within the app, and even add books from the URL of
your choice. Anything downloaded is stored for you in a local
library, and if you opt to sign up for an Ibis account, you can
read, fully synced, across multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple’s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the
ePub standard format, and you can even upload these files to your
account from your desktop web browser, from where they will
automatically appear on your mobile device. And because Android
uses Webkit for its browser, it too can install and use the app
offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it
really does behave like a local application, although sometimes it
is not quite as fast when flipping between different sections. In
fact, there’s only one thing that really gives it away: scrolling
is a lot slower. Whereas in a native app you can “throw” a page
and it speedily scrolls up or down, the “elastic” holding the
pages of web apps is a lot stronger. It’s not just Ibis. This is a
problem with all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a proof-
of-concept for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is
straight-up amazing.

end excerpt

Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?

Since your TV is kind of new it might have VGA inputs. Some do now days. 
If that's the case you can skip the VGA to NTSC converter box. If not, 
the converter has both RCA and SVideo (4-pin cable) outputs. Most TVs 
have SVideo these days. All the cables come with it.


CB

Courtney Curran wrote:
This could be a dumb question, but my Tv's about 2 or 3 years old, 
does this matter?
Thanks, 
Courtney

On 07/05/2010, at 3:01 in the Afternoon, Chris Blouch wrote:

It used to be that you could use a mini-DVI to NTSC to 'trick' the 
mini into thinking there was a monitor but that stopped working when 
Apple dropped the analog signals from their DVI implementation. 
Really, how many people still had ntsc or pal TVs and were going to 
hook them up to a mini? Well, I'm one of them so the best I could 
figure out was to get the miniDVI to VGA adapter and then a VGA to 
NTSC converter. Now my mini thinks there is a VGA display hooked up 
all the time, whether or not the TV is actually on. Whether you come 
out ahead cost wise doing this is another thing, but you'll probably 
want the VGA hook up anyway.


So depending on which Mini you have you'll either needs the Apple 
Mini DVI to VGA adapter for $20


http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9320G/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

or the Apple DisplayPort to VGA adapter for $30

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

I think newer Minis come with both so you could go with the cheaper 
MiniDVI to VGA adapter and then a VGA to NTSC adapter. I found a 
cheap one which runs off the USB power for $30 here:


http://sewelldirect.com/pc-to-tv.asp

Hope this helps.

CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

If there was an FAQ for this list, the frustrating and repetitious subject of 
Minis and monitors would probably be at the top. I know that there is no reason 
to assume that newbies should know this, so there is no reason to blast them, 
but it gets so old covering this over and over again. We literally seem to have 
a thread about it 2 or 3 times a week.

No, the Mini and VoiceOver won't work right without a monitor.

Yes, that's why Safari and other apps always say that they're busy, busy, busy, 
busy.

No, there is no adaptor that you can plug in to it that will fake a monitor 
being attached.

No, the Mini isn't supposed to be a portable computer.

No, Apple isn't going to do anything to fix this in the future, as far as we 
know.

Don't feel bad, Courtney. Lots of other people assume, like you, that this will 
work. It doesn't. No way that you could know without asking in advance. Hope 
that this helps and saves time.

Maybe this is reason #1 to start an FAQ for this list?

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Romack
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:46 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?

A couple points to note here:

Ben - Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Rude, much? Consider that new members join this list every day, 
and they aren't privi to previous threads, unless they have no social life and sit and 
read every message dated back to the conception of this list. Apple picked a name for 
this product line that draws the to the assumption that the computer is mini 
enough to be portable. Consider that not everyone is as informed as you. Okay?

For the sake of this thread, and the notion that Ben may explode in a fiery 
ball of rage with what I am about to propose - what if an adapter was plugged 
into the display port of the Mini, but no display was actually attached? Could 
one purchase some sort of VGA-to-RCA adapter (if one such adapter exists), and 
plug it into something portable that receives RCA-in? Just a thought from an 
ignorant Apple- head.

romack

www.justinromack.com
twitter.com/justinromack http://twitter.com/justinromack

On May 6, 8:00 am, Neil James nei...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Ben, if you had read the post more carefully, perhaps you wouldn't 
have been so quick to fly off the handle? The question was if there 
exists a portable monitor not how portable the mini is. To answer the 
original question though, the smallest monitor I have come across, was 
a screen size of 12 inches, so while doable, it isn't exactly a portable monitor.


Neil





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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?



Not portable in the sense that you could carry it to work.
How many times do we have to say to people that a mini is not portable?
  
On 05/05/2010, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Hi,
Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any 
portable monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack 
mini to work a lot.
I'm not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is 
still very functional.

Thanks,
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Re: Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread Esther


Hi,

Just a quick addition: In Ibis reader Voice Over reads through a  
chapter, but the first page doesn't update.  However, if you want to  
move to a later page in that chapter, you could toggle VoiceOver off,  
and simply tap the right side of the screen the number of pages you  
wanted to move to, so if the screen tells you that you are at Page 1  
of 25 when you double tap the center of the screen, and you've come to  
the end of a chapter, you can simply toggle VoiceOver off, and tap the  
right side of the screen 25 times to advance to the first page of the  
next Chapter, then toggle VoiceOver on and start reading again.  This  
is still a little clunky, and maybe someone can suggest better ways to  
read and navigate.


Links work. One of the ePub books I loaded into Ibis Reader is  Take  
Control of Your iPhone, Second Edition, and links will route you to  
other parts of the book.  It would be much simpler if the current page  
being read by VoiceOver also updated on the screen, though.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther

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VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

2010-05-10 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a clean 
install of Windows 7 in to a fusion version 3 virtual machine? For me the 
installation stops shortly after it starts saying that a valid version of 
Windows is not found on the machine.

Thanks,

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Re: Ibis Reader: an accessible alternative eBook reader for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with some glitches

2010-05-10 Thread Søren Jensen

Wow Esther. Thanks so much for this awesome information. This app will be very
usable for us outside the US, where it will take a lot of time before we get
books in IBooks in our languages. I'll check out this app when I got the time
Best regards
Søren Jensen
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s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den May 10, 2010 kl. 8:47 PM skrev Esther:

Hi All,

Here's an alternative, promising eBook reader for books in ePub format
without DRM: Ibis Reader. It works with VoiceOver on the iPhone, iPod Touch,
and iPad, and allows bookmarking but has some odd features in terms of
navigation. You can read DRM-free ePub books either on your computer or
mobile device, and keep them in sync. I'll excerpt the description from
Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, Ibis Reader for iPhone: A Web
App That Thinks It's a Native App:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/
begin excerpt

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything that you’d
expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big difference: It doesn’t come
from the App Store. The app runs on any iPhone or iPod Touch and offers full
offline access to your library of books, and is as fast and responsive as a
native iPhone application. It manages this through the magic of HTML5, which
is supported by Mobile Safari and - crucially - offers offline storage for
web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be asked if you
will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After agreeing, you hit the “+”
button and add the app to the home-screen. Now, when you hit that button, you
are launched directly into Ibis, not just a tab in Safari, and because it
stores both itself and your downloaded books locally, it’ll even work with an
iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap either side of
the screen to flip pages and touch the center to access more settings. You
can browse for public domain books from Feedbooks from within the app, and
even add books from the URL of your choice. Anything downloaded is stored for
you in a local library, and if you opt to sign up for an Ibis account, you
can read, fully synced, across multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple’s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the ePub
standard format, and you can even upload these files to your account from
your desktop web browser, from where they will automatically appear on your
mobile device. And because Android uses Webkit for its browser, it too can
install and use the app offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it really does
behave like a local application, although sometimes it is not quite as fast
when flipping between different sections. In fact, there’s only one thing
that really gives it away: scrolling is a lot slower. Whereas in a native app
you can “throw” a page and it speedily scrolls up or down, the “elastic”
holding the pages of web apps is a lot stronger. It’s not just Ibis. This is
a problem with all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a proof-of-concept
for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is straight-up amazing.

end excerpt

Additional Information and Some VoiceOver-Specific comments:
1. The web site to visit is:
ibisreader.com
If you visit this site from an iPhone or iPod Touch, the link to install
comes up immediately. On an iPad, there will be a link to a version that is
optimized for the iPad. In both cases, the + button is what VoiceOver reads
out as the Utilities button in Safari. This is at the bottom center of the
screen on the iPhone, and along the top menu bar on the iPad. The
iPad-specific installation is a bit confusing because there is a graphic that
is an arrow pointing to the button (that you won't be able to use), as well
as the fact that VoiceOver announces the button as Utilities instead of
+. Just ignore this part of the instructions, find the Utilities button,
and double tap the Add to Home Screen button. I actually found it easier
to navigate the iPhone/iPod Touch version of the app, since the links and
buttons are laid out out to be close to each other.

Re: VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

2010-05-10 Thread Rob Lambert

You CAN! NOT! use the upgrade disk. You MUST! use a FULL GENUINE COPY! I'm
assuming this is for a clean install of Vista, and not upgrading from VM of
XP, right? I think even if two as, you would need the genuine CD.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Robert Carter nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a
 clean install of Windows 7 in to a fusion version 3 virtual machine? For me
 the installation stops shortly after it starts saying that a valid version
 of Windows is not found on the machine.

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Re: VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

I thought, by definition, that a Windows7 upgrade CD required a previous 
OS to be fully installed before it would work.


CB

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Hi,

Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a clean 
install of Windows 7 in to a fusion version 3 virtual machine? For me the 
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Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?

2010-05-10 Thread Courtney Curran

Thanks so much, I appreciate it.
Courtney

On 10/05/2010, at 4:03 in the Afternoon, Chris Blouch wrote:

 Since your TV is kind of new it might have VGA inputs. Some do now days. If 
 that's the case you can skip the VGA to NTSC converter box. If not, the 
 converter has both RCA and SVideo (4-pin cable) outputs. Most TVs have SVideo 
 these days. All the cables come with it.
 
 CB
 
 Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 This could be a dumb question, but my Tv's about 2 or 3 years old, does this 
 matter?
 Thanks, 
 Courtney
 On 07/05/2010, at 3:01 in the Afternoon, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
 It used to be that you could use a mini-DVI to NTSC to 'trick' the mini 
 into thinking there was a monitor but that stopped working when Apple 
 dropped the analog signals from their DVI implementation. Really, how many 
 people still had ntsc or pal TVs and were going to hook them up to a mini? 
 Well, I'm one of them so the best I could figure out was to get the miniDVI 
 to VGA adapter and then a VGA to NTSC converter. Now my mini thinks there 
 is a VGA display hooked up all the time, whether or not the TV is actually 
 on. Whether you come out ahead cost wise doing this is another thing, but 
 you'll probably want the VGA hook up anyway.
 
 So depending on which Mini you have you'll either needs the Apple Mini DVI 
 to VGA adapter for $20
 
 http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9320G/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
 
 or the Apple DisplayPort to VGA adapter for $30
 
 http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
 
 I think newer Minis come with both so you could go with the cheaper MiniDVI 
 to VGA adapter and then a VGA to NTSC adapter. I found a cheap one which 
 runs off the USB power for $30 here:
 
 http://sewelldirect.com/pc-to-tv.asp
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 CB
 
 Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 If there was an FAQ for this list, the frustrating and repetitious subject 
 of Minis and monitors would probably be at the top. I know that there is 
 no reason to assume that newbies should know this, so there is no reason 
 to blast them, but it gets so old covering this over and over again. We 
 literally seem to have a thread about it 2 or 3 times a week.
 
 No, the Mini and VoiceOver won't work right without a monitor.
 
 Yes, that's why Safari and other apps always say that they're busy, busy, 
 busy, busy.
 
 No, there is no adaptor that you can plug in to it that will fake a 
 monitor being attached.
 
 No, the Mini isn't supposed to be a portable computer.
 
 No, Apple isn't going to do anything to fix this in the future, as far as 
 we know.
 
 Don't feel bad, Courtney. Lots of other people assume, like you, that this 
 will work. It doesn't. No way that you could know without asking in 
 advance. Hope that this helps and saves time.
 
 Maybe this is reason #1 to start an FAQ for this list?
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romack
 Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:46 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?
 
 A couple points to note here:
 
 Ben - Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Rude, much? Consider that new members join this 
 list every day, and they aren't privi to previous threads, unless they 
 have no social life and sit and read every message dated back to the 
 conception of this list. Apple picked a name for this product line that 
 draws the to the assumption that the computer is mini enough to be 
 portable. Consider that not everyone is as informed as you. Okay?
 
 For the sake of this thread, and the notion that Ben may explode in a 
 fiery ball of rage with what I am about to propose - what if an adapter 
 was plugged into the display port of the Mini, but no display was actually 
 attached? Could one purchase some sort of VGA-to-RCA adapter (if one such 
 adapter exists), and plug it into something portable that receives RCA-in? 
 Just a thought from an ignorant Apple- head.
 
 romack
 
 www.justinromack.com
 twitter.com/justinromack
 
 On May 6, 8:00 am, Neil James nei...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Ben, if you had read the post more carefully, perhaps you wouldn't 
 have been so quick to fly off the handle? The question was if there 
 exists a portable monitor not how portable the mini is. To answer the 
 original question though, the smallest monitor I have come across, was 
 a screen size of 12 inches, so while doable, it isn't exactly a portable 
 monitor.
 
 Neil
 
 
 
 
 
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 From: Ben Mustill-Rose bmustillr...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?
 
 
 Not portable in the sense that you could carry it to work.
 How many times do we have to say to people that a mini is not portable?
   
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 Hi,
 Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any 
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RE: matlab

Hello
How about mathimatica and or maple.

Thanks
Edward
 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: matlab

I forgot to mention that I know nothing about vo and matlab in OS10.
So, someone else will have to chime in on that.

On May 10, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Edward wrote:

 Hello
 Does it give you the same functionality as matlab?  I am attending 
 college for electrical engineering and they use matlab here.  If I had 
 to, can I use matlab with voice over?
 
 Thanks for your help,
 edward
 
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
 Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:28 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 Hi,
 
 It is text based so accessibility isn't an issue.  You run it from 
 within terminal.  There are ways of making graphical plots if you need 
 to, but it's been a while sense I played with that feature.
 
 On May 10, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello,
 How accessible is it?  Have you had any probloems?
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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 Subject: Re: matlab
 
 I've always used GNU octave.  It's a free, open source matlab like 
 environment.  There are links to pre-built binaries for OS10 at 
 http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html.
 
 Note that if you git it through macports,it builds it from scratch 
 and it will take a long time.
 
 On May 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should 
 be
 pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or 
 engineering packages that work well with vo?
 
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Re: VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

Yes you can. i've done it. first install with out the key then install again 
with the key choosing upgrade.

Take care. I did it in a bootcamp set up so I can emagine it can be done in a 
vmware set up.

Take care.
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 You CAN! NOT! use the upgrade disk. You MUST! use a FULL GENUINE COPY! I'm 
 assuming this is for a clean install of Vista, and not upgrading from VM of 
 XP, right? I think even if two as, you would need the genuine CD. 
 
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 Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a 
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torrenting on the mac?

2010-05-10 Thread clarence griffin

As the subject says... what do people use to download torrent files on the mac? 
something like u-torrent for windows? Thanks for any help.


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Re: Rewind and forward on Blind Cool Tech Pod casts

2010-05-10 Thread Carolyn

Ann:
Hi:
It suddenly strikes me as one of those Duh? experiences that I should 
probably be wearing a t-shirt or something with keyboard commands on itgrin  
One of the things that really helped me move forward with my Mac training in 
the most recent session was that my trainer simply observed me trying to do 
tasks, and kept the keyboard commands list handy.  Your list of commands here 
just finally hit home for me in terms of my own need to commit a lot of them to 
memory.  This little listing you gave was  really helpful, and, eventually, I'm 
sure they'll start sticking with me.
All of this to say Thanks.

Carolyn
On May 6, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Linda,
 
 A few useful tips about Mac applications.
 
 To get to the menu bar for any application, press VO-m and navigate right. 
 The first menu will be headed by the name of the application. Thereafter, 
 you'll have the standard menus plus any extras specific to that application.
 
 To open the Preferences for any application, press Command-Comma. In the 
 Preferences window, you should find a Toolbar. If you interact with this, 
 you'll find the various tabs that you click on to look at and change the 
 settings.
 
 Applications are closed with Command-Q. You can close all the windows in an 
 application, but the app will still be running.
 
 You can hide any application by pressing Command-H. Command-Option-H will 
 hide all other applications apart from the one you are in.
 
 Command-Shift-A opens your Applications folder.
 Command-Shift-H opens your Home folder.
 Command-Shift-O opens your Documents folder.
 Command-Shift-U opens your Utilities folder.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On May 6, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
 This will probably astound most of you on this list but I am not
 familiar with I-Tunes yet.  I've had no luck locating the I-tunes menu
 bar Sarah mentioned so I'm still at square 1, trying to rewind and fast
 forward on podcasts. 
 Option-command right/left arrow didn't work. When I pause the podcast
 and use VO left arrow past the pause button there is another button but
 it doesn't say what it does.   and selecting it didn't do the job
 either.  
 Your help is appreciated,
 Linda
 
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 Hello. I believe the command is command option left and  right arrow to
 rewind and fast forward. I'm just about dead to the world at the moment
 so if tha'ts wrong someone correct me. 
 
 
 Oh look under controls under the itunes menu bar.
 
 Take care.
 
 On May 6, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 After reading a couple of messages about checking out the Mac Demo on
 Blind Cool Tech, I took a look at it.  I was pleased to see that I could
 use VO and the arrow keys to see how much time had elapsed, how much
 time remained and I could pause and unpause the pod cast.   I couldn't
 find out how to rewind the pod cast if I missed something he said or
 fast forward to catch up where I left off.
 Help would be appreciated.
 
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time announcement

2010-05-10 Thread Carolyn

Hi Mac Family:
Quick question from your favorite---NOT---slow learnergrin.
I'm wondering if there is a way to set up a key to tell me the time on my 
MacBook Pro.  Right now, we have it announcing on the hour when it is turned 
on.  I wonder is there a way to have the time available to me on the Mbp any 
time I want to know?
I thank you one and all wh are so very helpful and patient with me.  I'm 
finally feeling like I'm making progress!  YAY!

Again, Thank you.
Carolyn

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Re: time announcement

Hello. go to the commander part of the vo utilities and set the keyboard c 
commander to inable. Your right option key will I think b eset as the default. 
from now on you can hit option t to tell the time.

Take care.

S
On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Carolyn wrote:

 Hi Mac Family:
 Quick question from your favorite---NOT---slow learnergrin.
 I'm wondering if there is a way to set up a key to tell me the time on my 
 MacBook Pro.  Right now, we have it announcing on the hour when it is turned 
 on.  I wonder is there a way to have the time available to me on the Mbp any 
 time I want to know?
 I thank you one and all wh are so very helpful and patient with me.  I'm 
 finally feeling like I'm making progress!  YAY!
 
 Again, Thank you.
 Carolyn
 
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Re: torrenting on the mac?

Yeah there is a utorrent for the mac. download.com should have it.

Good luck.
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Re: VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

No problems. I'm hoping im right as I did managed to do it in bootcampl Can 
you do it in fussion I'm not sure. what I did was set up a bootcamp install 
that way and then set up a vmware thing to lunch and create a vmware to go off 
of mfy bootcamp settings.

Good luck.
On May 10, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 I'm sorry, I got boot camp mixed up with vmware fusion again. LOL 
 
 On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes you can. i've done it. first install with out the key then install again 
 with the key choosing upgrade.
 
 Take care. I did it in a bootcamp set up so I can emagine it can be done in a 
 vmware set up.
 
 Take care.
 On May 10, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 You CAN! NOT! use the upgrade disk. You MUST! use a FULL GENUINE COPY! I'm 
 assuming this is for a clean install of Vista, and not upgrading from VM of 
 XP, right? I think even if two as, you would need the genuine CD. 
 
 On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Robert Carter nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a 
 clean install of Windows 7 in to a fusion version 3 virtual machine? For me 
 the installation stops shortly after it starts saying that a valid version 
 of Windows is not found on the machine.
 
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Re: time announcement

2010-05-10 Thread Carolyn

Thanks Sarah.  I'll do that now.

Carolyn
On May 10, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 Hello. go to the commander part of the vo utilities and set the keyboard c 
 commander to inable. Your right option key will I think b eset as the 
 default. from now on you can hit option t to tell the time.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Carolyn wrote:
 
 Hi Mac Family:
 Quick question from your favorite---NOT---slow learnergrin.
 I'm wondering if there is a way to set up a key to tell me the time on my 
 MacBook Pro.  Right now, we have it announcing on the hour when it is turned 
 on.  I wonder is there a way to have the time available to me on the Mbp any 
 time I want to know?
 I thank you one and all wh are so very helpful and patient with me.  I'm 
 finally feeling like I'm making progress!  YAY!
 
 Again, Thank you.
 Carolyn
 
 CH:)
 
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Permissions on FIles Moved

2010-05-10 Thread Scott Howell

Folks,

I haven't done a lot of this, but a friend of mine has moved files from his 
folder to his daughter's. However, those files do not show up in the Finder 
when he logs into her account. He moved these initially via Terminal. He 
believes the permissions are correct, but I suspect there is something that is 
still needing to be done. ANy thoughts appreciated.

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RE: torrenting on the mac?

2010-05-10 Thread Blake Sinnett

Yep. There's µtorrent for the Mac. Just go to utorrent.com. It's nice and tiny, 
like the Windows version.

 From: goldfin...@gmail.com
 Subject: torrenting on the mac?
 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:48:57 -0400
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

 As the subject says... what do people use to download torrent files on the 
 mac? something like u-torrent for windows? Thanks for any help.

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Re: torrenting on the mac?

2010-05-10 Thread Kaare Dehard

nope, utorrent for mac, quite accessible.
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Pdanet for iphone?

2010-05-10 Thread Donna Goodin



Haz anyone tried it?  Is it accessible?
Tia,
Donna


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Re: time announcement

I hope my instructions work.

Good luck.

Take care.

S
On May 10, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Carolyn wrote:

 Thanks Sarah.  I'll do that now.
 
 Carolyn
 On May 10, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Hello. go to the commander part of the vo utilities and set the keyboard c 
 commander to inable. Your right option key will I think b eset as the 
 default. from now on you can hit option t to tell the time.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Carolyn wrote:
 
 Hi Mac Family:
 Quick question from your favorite---NOT---slow learnergrin.
 I'm wondering if there is a way to set up a key to tell me the time on my 
 MacBook Pro.  Right now, we have it announcing on the hour when it is 
 turned on.  I wonder is there a way to have the time available to me on the 
 Mbp any time I want to know?
 I thank you one and all wh are so very helpful and patient with me.  I'm 
 finally feeling like I'm making progress!  YAY!
 
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 Carolyn
 
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Re: Website creation for beginners and pros - NOW over 60% off

2010-05-10 Thread Brandon Misch

that is cool

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Re: VMWare Fusion and installing Windows 7

2010-05-10 Thread Dan Roy

I don't know about vmware and what restrictions they have.  However, you can 
use an upgrade CD to install from scratch.  I am not sure why it works, but, it 
definitely does.


On May 10, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

 I thought, by definition, that a Windows7 upgrade CD required a previous OS 
 to be fully installed before it would work.
 
 CB
 
 Robert Carter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Windows 7 upgrade CD to do a 
 clean install of Windows 7 in to a fusion version 3 virtual machine? For me 
 the installation stops shortly after it starts saying that a valid version 
 of Windows is not found on the machine.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Robert Carter
 
  
 
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