Sorry but, I don't agree. Vim is working great on linux with brltty on linux systems. Also, vim or vi (vim without m) is much more powerfull then pico or nano. I think the task to jump to the keyboard focus is a basic command in text environment.
William Op 10-mei-2010, om 12:24 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven: > Vim has always been funny with its cursor. I just ran emacs, and VO followis > its cursor fine. There are other editors as well like Pico, Nano, and more, > and I imagine they'll all work fine with the cursor. > Vim had this problem with other screen readers, too, if I remember correctly. > On May 10, 2010, at 6:15 AM, William Windels wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on >> www.automation.com. >> The name of the package is: >> UNIX Services Installer.pkg >> >> This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey >> to it with the keyboard option in the system preferences. >> >> I use very often the service: "new terminal to insert location" >> I have add a hockey to it and: >> When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is >> opening on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command. >> >> This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files >> or remove multiple files. >> I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory. >> This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder. >> >> I am very happy with this. >> >> But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo: >> While using "Vim", the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some >> other programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the >> cursor. >> I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the >> vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in >> areas where the keyboard-cursor can't come. >> Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus >> is putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus. >> >> I don't know any function in vo that can do this task. >> >> If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private. >> >> best regards, >> William >> Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven: >> >>> One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based >>> file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well >>> with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of >>> them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I >>> bet it would be pretty nice. >>> On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Vic, >>>> >>>> I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or >>>> your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for >>>> the Utilities folder), then pressing "T" (to go to terminal), followed by >>>> Command-Down Arrow (to launch). The default Unix shell you're using >>>> supports tab completion of path and filenames. This means that you don't >>>> have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type >>>> as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, >>>> and then press the tab key. Let's say that under your home directory you >>>> have a folder called "Documents" and another named "Downloads". You want >>>> to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the "cd" >>>> command in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in >>>> terminal, you only need to type "cd" (without quotes) followed by a space >>>> followed and then type the first few letters of the folder "D o c" and >>>> then press the tab key. When you press tab, the rest of the folder name >>>> will be supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the "Return" key >>>> to execute the command. If you had just typed "D o" and pressed tab, you >>>> would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, >>>> "Downloads" and "Documents", and then you would be presented with the >>>> command you had typed. You could then type the "c" and press tab (to >>>> successfully complete the command) and press "Return" to execute it. >>>> >>>> Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would >>>> just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the >>>> subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name. Each time >>>> I needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, >>>> then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press >>>> tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I >>>> would just press the "Return" key. >>>> >>>> For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my >>>> home account named "Documents/Letters/March" and change to this directory >>>> in the terminal with the command: >>>> cd Documents/Letters/March >>>> I'd actually only type the initial "cd" command, a space, and then "D o c" >>>> before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in "Documents". Then I >>>> would type a slash symbol separator and the letter "L" (if there were no >>>> other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again >>>> to let the shell complete the path to now read "Documents/Letters". For >>>> the last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters "M a >>>> r" and press tab. (This assumes that I also have a subfolder named "May" >>>> that needs to be distinguished from "March"). When the path is complete, >>>> I just press "Return" to execute the command to change directory to >>>> "Documents/Letters/March". I've only typed the letters "D o c", "L", and >>>> "M a r" out of the entire path. >>>> >>>> Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder "March", >>>> and copy the entry with Command-C. Then when you switch to Terminal, you >>>> type "cd" with a space, and then paste with Command-V, and press "Return". >>>> The pasted entry will be the full path name. >>>> >>>> You can copy and paste the paths to files and/or folders from Finder to >>>> Terminal. So you could also do this for the "mv" command, if you wanted >>>> to move a specific file to the folder, "Documents/Letters/March". When >>>> you do this the pasted path is the full path name (e.g. "/Users/<your >>>> account>/Documents/Letters/March"). >>>> >>>> HTH. For more information about using the command line in terminal, check >>>> out the Take Control book, "Take Control of the Mac Command Line with >>>> Terminal" ($10.00 list price) by Joe Kissell which is available as a >>>> downloadable PDF file from the Take Control Web site at: >>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line >>>> The web page describes the book's contents and links a sample excerpt. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> Tinker Tweak wrote: >>>> >>>>> Larry, >>>>> >>>>> Yes! I just saw the terminal application just tonight. I have the feeling >>>>> that that is something like a command line with a GUI interface. I think >>>>> I'll thrive in it cause I used to be so very comfortable in DOS. Now I >>>>> have >>>>> to learn the syntax for this OS. Typeing long path and file names will be >>>>> interesting though. Were I 20 years younger, I'd just teach myself >>>>> programming in this platform but now programming was a life lived and not >>>>> a >>>>> life I'd want to have again.Awe, that old life with ASAP and Pascal >>>>> >>>>> Thank you and so good to have met you here. >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>>> >>>>> Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders. >>>>> Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there. >>>>> You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way >>>>> indeed. >>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a >>>>>> while, >>>>> but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and >>>>> although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to >>>>> not >>>>> affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what >>>>> is >>>>> going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other >>>>> words, >>>>> if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be able to >>>>> understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just looking at >>>>> what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now I have the >>>>> push I needed to find time to study this. >>>>>> >>>>>> THanks, >>>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Vic, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma >>>>> Antoine Decaux a little while ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1- Open Automator >>>>>>> 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find >>>>> services, then press return. >>>>>>> 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the >>>>> actions description split view. interact with it >>>>>>> 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an >>>>> expandable element. go down to files and folders. >>>>>>> 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list >>>>>>> to >>>>> move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, >>>>> but >>>>> it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session. >>>>>>> 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO >>>>> should say move finder items. Interact with it >>>>>>> 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application >>>>> replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there >>>>> are static texts and pressable dropbox menus. >>>>>>> 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the list. >>>>>>> Then >>>>> VO right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in the >>>>> list of choices. >>>>>>> 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items, and >>>>> interact with that. >>>>>>> 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it. >>>>>>> -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs. >>>>>>> 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your >>>>> contextual menu VO shift M, or control mouse click. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want something faster than a contextual menu, you can bind the >>>>> automator service to a keypress. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do >>>>>>>> without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the >>>>>>>> derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options >>>>>>>> towards getting my work done in an efficient manner? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again, thanks for any help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:53 AM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .sadly you cannot cut and paste. I don't like it but that's just the >>>>>>>> way >>>>> it >>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> take care. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First I tried command-x only to realize that it is dimmed out on the >>>>> edit >>>>>>>> menu. Command-c and command-v works though but without the command-x, I >>>>> have >>>>>>>> to go back to the folder where I coppied the files to delete all the >>>>> files I >>>>>>>> just copied to the other folder. It is taking so much time cause it is >>>>>>>> acctually copying the files instead of just changing the point of >>>>> reference >>>>>>>> as command-x then command-c will do. Is there a setting I am missing? >>>>> Why is >>>>>>>> my edit menu having this dimmed item? It is tedious to be going back >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> forth folders first to select then copy, go to another folder and >>>>> paste, >>>>>>>> then go back to the source files and delete but right now, that is the >>>>> only >>>>>>>> way I know And there is very little I do know cause it is all new to >>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The second that I tried is to learn or at least try my skills at drag >>>>> and >>>>>>>> drop but I haven't gotten the hang of it yet so far. What am I doing >>>>> wrong? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf OfRob Lambert >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:57 AM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What methods have you tried thus far? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Tinker Tweak <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm a new Apple switcher and I like it very much. Its just been a week >>>>> since >>>>>>>> I got a new Macbook pro and I've been learning fairly quickly if I may >>>>> say >>>>>>>> so myself. I love challenges and this thing about learning the >>>>>>>> operating >>>>>>>> system plus its screen reader surely qualifies for one big challenge >>>>> indeed. >>>>>>>> So far I've been doing very well until I ran into a problem with >>>>>>>> cutting >>>>> and >>>>>>>> pasting with in the Finder. I can't make it to work no matter how I >>>>> try. I >>>>>>>> have to learn how to do this cause my work involves moving lots and >>>>> lots of >>>>>>>> files and folders all day. I'd truly appreciate it if someone can help >>>>> me >>>>>>>> learn how to move files and folders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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