Vim has always been funny with its cursor. I just ran emacs, and VO followis its cursor fine. There are other editors as well like Pico, Nano, and more, and I imagine they'll all work fine with the cursor. Vim had this problem with other screen readers, too, if I remember correctly. On May 10, 2010, at 6:15 AM, William Windels wrote:
> Hello, > I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on > www.automation.com. > The name of the package is: > UNIX Services Installer.pkg > > This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey > to it with the keyboard option in the system preferences. > > I use very often the service: "new terminal to insert location" > I have add a hockey to it and: > When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is opening > on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command. > > This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files > or remove multiple files. > I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory. > This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder. > > I am very happy with this. > > But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo: > While using "Vim", the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some > other programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the cursor. > I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the > vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in areas > where the keyboard-cursor can't come. > Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus > is putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus. > > I don't know any function in vo that can do this task. > > If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private. > > best regards, > William > Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven: > >> One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based >> file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well >> with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of >> them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet >> it would be pretty nice. >> On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Vic, >>> >>> I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or >>> your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for >>> the Utilities folder), then pressing "T" (to go to terminal), followed by >>> Command-Down Arrow (to launch). The default Unix shell you're using >>> supports tab completion of path and filenames. This means that you don't >>> have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type >>> as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, >>> and then press the tab key. Let's say that under your home directory you >>> have a folder called "Documents" and another named "Downloads". You want >>> to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the "cd" >>> command in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in >>> terminal, you only need to type "cd" (without quotes) followed by a space >>> followed and then type the first few letters of the folder "D o c" and then >>> press the tab key. When you press tab, the rest of the folder name will be >>> supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the "Return" key to >>> execute the command. If you had just typed "D o" and pressed tab, you >>> would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, >>> "Downloads" and "Documents", and then you would be presented with the >>> command you had typed. You could then type the "c" and press tab (to >>> successfully complete the command) and press "Return" to execute it. >>> >>> Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would >>> just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the >>> subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name. Each time I >>> needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, >>> then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press >>> tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which point I >>> would just press the "Return" key. >>> >>> For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under my >>> home account named "Documents/Letters/March" and change to this directory >>> in the terminal with the command: >>> cd Documents/Letters/March >>> I'd actually only type the initial "cd" command, a space, and then "D o c" >>> before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in "Documents". Then I >>> would type a slash symbol separator and the letter "L" (if there were no >>> other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab key again >>> to let the shell complete the path to now read "Documents/Letters". For >>> the last subfolder I would type a slash symbol again, and the letters "M a >>> r" and press tab. (This assumes that I also have a subfolder named "May" >>> that needs to be distinguished from "March"). When the path is complete, I >>> just press "Return" to execute the command to change directory to >>> "Documents/Letters/March". I've only typed the letters "D o c", "L", and >>> "M a r" out of the entire path. >>> >>> Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder "March", >>> and copy the entry with Command-C. Then when you switch to Terminal, you >>> type "cd" with a space, and then paste with Command-V, and press "Return". >>> The pasted entry will be the full path name. >>> >>> You can copy and paste the paths to files and/or folders from Finder to >>> Terminal. So you could also do this for the "mv" command, if you wanted to >>> move a specific file to the folder, "Documents/Letters/March". When you do >>> this the pasted path is the full path name (e.g. "/Users/<your >>> account>/Documents/Letters/March"). >>> >>> HTH. For more information about using the command line in terminal, check >>> out the Take Control book, "Take Control of the Mac Command Line with >>> Terminal" ($10.00 list price) by Joe Kissell which is available as a >>> downloadable PDF file from the Take Control Web site at: >>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line >>> The web page describes the book's contents and links a sample excerpt. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> Tinker Tweak wrote: >>> >>>> Larry, >>>> >>>> Yes! I just saw the terminal application just tonight. I have the feeling >>>> that that is something like a command line with a GUI interface. I think >>>> I'll thrive in it cause I used to be so very comfortable in DOS. Now I have >>>> to learn the syntax for this OS. Typeing long path and file names will be >>>> interesting though. Were I 20 years younger, I'd just teach myself >>>> programming in this platform but now programming was a life lived and not a >>>> life I'd want to have again.Awe, that old life with ASAP and Pascal >>>> >>>> Thank you and so good to have met you here. >>>> Vic >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>> >>>> Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders. >>>> Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there. >>>> You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way >>>> indeed. >>>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a while, >>>> but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and >>>> although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to not >>>> affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what >>>> is >>>> going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other >>>> words, >>>> if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be able to >>>> understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just looking at >>>> what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now I have the >>>> push I needed to find time to study this. >>>>> >>>>> THanks, >>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Vic, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma >>>> Antoine Decaux a little while ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1- Open Automator >>>>>> 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find >>>> services, then press return. >>>>>> 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the >>>> actions description split view. interact with it >>>>>> 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an >>>> expandable element. go down to files and folders. >>>>>> 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list to >>>> move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, >>>> but >>>> it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session. >>>>>> 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO >>>> should say move finder items. Interact with it >>>>>> 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application >>>> replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there >>>> are static texts and pressable dropbox menus. >>>>>> 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the list. Then >>>> VO right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in the >>>> list of choices. >>>>>> 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items, and >>>> interact with that. >>>>>> 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it. >>>>>> -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs. >>>>>> 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you want. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your >>>> contextual menu VO shift M, or control mouse click. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want something faster than a contextual menu, you can bind the >>>> automator service to a keypress. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do >>>>>>> without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the >>>>>>> derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options >>>>>>> towards getting my work done in an efficient manner? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, thanks for any help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:53 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .sadly you cannot cut and paste. I don't like it but that's just the way >>>> it >>>>>>> is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> take care. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First I tried command-x only to realize that it is dimmed out on the >>>> edit >>>>>>> menu. Command-c and command-v works though but without the command-x, I >>>> have >>>>>>> to go back to the folder where I coppied the files to delete all the >>>> files I >>>>>>> just copied to the other folder. It is taking so much time cause it is >>>>>>> acctually copying the files instead of just changing the point of >>>> reference >>>>>>> as command-x then command-c will do. Is there a setting I am missing? >>>> Why is >>>>>>> my edit menu having this dimmed item? It is tedious to be going back and >>>>>>> forth folders first to select then copy, go to another folder and >>>> paste, >>>>>>> then go back to the source files and delete but right now, that is the >>>> only >>>>>>> way I know And there is very little I do know cause it is all new to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The second that I tried is to learn or at least try my skills at drag >>>> and >>>>>>> drop but I haven't gotten the hang of it yet so far. What am I doing >>>> wrong? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf OfRob Lambert >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:57 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: files and folders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What methods have you tried thus far? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Tinker Tweak <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm a new Apple switcher and I like it very much. Its just been a week >>>> since >>>>>>> I got a new Macbook pro and I've been learning fairly quickly if I may >>>> say >>>>>>> so myself. I love challenges and this thing about learning the operating >>>>>>> system plus its screen reader surely qualifies for one big challenge >>>> indeed. >>>>>>> So far I've been doing very well until I ran into a problem with cutting >>>> and >>>>>>> pasting with in the Finder. I can't make it to work no matter how I >>>> try. I >>>>>>> have to learn how to do this cause my work involves moving lots and >>>> lots of >>>>>>> files and folders all day. I'd truly appreciate it if someone can help >>>> me >>>>>>> learn how to move files and folders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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