Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?

2011-01-17 Thread Sarah Alawami
I think the kid singing is  is very creapy. I didn't realise I'd hear it again 
at the end. lol! For those that know what I"m talking about yeah I bet you'll 
agree. I do think she taks too much when you save her though. Hehahaha! same 
wiht the older man and that siron? Ok I'm out of here.

S
On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Hi VInny,
> Yes, the ending changes slightly when you make a different choice. You can 
> replay the last level or any other level once you've passed the game the 
> first time.
> HTH
> Friendly,
> Chris
> 
> On Jan 16, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Vinny Pedulla wrote:
> 
>> I finished it as well a few nights ago and really enjoyed it. One question: 
>> is the ending a little strange? Without spoiling it for everyone, do both 
>> doors give the same outcome? That was the only part of the game that left me 
>> wondering, but I may be missing something visual. Need to get sided 
>> assistance at that point...
>> Vinny
>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn and Nicky" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?
>> 
>> 
>> I finally finished it two nights ago.  Personally loved it and can see
>> myself playing it more.  I hope they do more games like it and can't
>> wait to see more from these developers.  Now I'm on the hunt for more
>> like it and the soul trapper type games.  I haven't been lucky so far,
>> though.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2011 1:09 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Personally, I loved the game; one of the best I've ever played on any 
>>> platform. I still play the levels I like most, or try and see how much I 
>>> can play nonstop when I'm on the bus. BTW, for those who don't know, this 
>>> is a game for IOS4 on the mobile devices.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Four and Five Finger Gestures was Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread brandt
Thanks for that one. My paws are rather big, thus, that 3 finger flick to 
turn pages is not the most comfortable thing in the world.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah Alawami" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Four and Five Finger Gestures was Re: Apple to Remove the Home 
Button from Future iPads and iPhones?



I can probbly do a 5 finger jesture on the phone althorugh my hand would be 
a bit cramped. I actually use the back of my thumb and the first 2 fingers 
to turn pages. so it might be able to be done.


S
On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Marc Workman wrote:

Scott's right.  According to everything I've read, the new gestures work 
with the iPad IOS, not iPhone 4.3.  One article that was sent to this list 
specifically said that they do not work with the iPhone.  Other articles 
simply don't mention the iPhone when discussing these gestures.


Best,

Marc
- Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and 
iPhones?



Keep in mind this is only a rumor and there is little to support the 
assertion at this point. I also do not believe the five finger gesture 
would be used on the iPhone. I recall the article I read indicated these 
gestures would be only for the iPad, but this is from memory.

Scott





On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble 
for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.


http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/

Kevin

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Re: moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Mary:
One more thought:  Since the doc on page one is expandable, you may not have to 
move something out of that page's doc to make room.  But, I have to check that 
idea further.

Carolyn H
On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> I've used methods one and two from your message, resorting to the method 2 
> involving the dock as a last resort, because it is kind of a hastle. We'll 
> have to try that on the IPad. and thanks for the additional method for moving 
> apps to a new page. I've found that the regular method for dragging off the 
> page sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but I was surprised when my 
> sighted partner had the problem. I gather there is a way you can use ITunes 
> to move apps around if you can see and mentioned that to him, but he didn't 
> try it yet, and of course, since it isn't accessible, its of no use to me.
> 
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Re: navigation the IPad with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Mary:
It really is initially a little tricky to find the address bar in the iPad.  It 
helps to orient your hand on the screen from the center/top, about where time 
is.  Right below time is the current address you're in.  If you tap this, a 
"clear text" option will appear just to the right of that address.  Once you 
find and tap that, you can use the keyboard to enter a new destination address. 
 If that doesn't work out, the google searh field is in the upper right 
quadrant of the screen at the top.  I've learned to slow down a lot on the 
larger screen.  The little things that sound like bubbles, or golf swings (ok 
don't laugh at me.:) are indications that you're passing over something.  I've 
found if I move too fast over these, VO can't get a word in.
HTH a little.

Carolyn H
On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

>   Hi all,
> 
> I've been using an IPod touch for the better part of a year and have gotten 
> use to the gestures and the screen size, pluses and minuses, e.g. cramped 
> space versus more easily pinpointed specific locations. I played around a bit 
> with an IPad yesterday and found the big gaps in unoccupied real estate 
> somewhat of a problem. For instance, when in the app store, I was not able to 
> locate the search field to double tap and activate editing. I know right 
> where it is on the IPod and looked around the top of the screen without 
> success on the IPad. Similarly with the address bar to type in a url in 
> Safari. Once you have a page open and want to type in a url, I assumed the 
> address bar would be near the top, but I didn't find it. People have said 
> that browsing on the pad is a much better experience than with the IPod, and 
> it has been demonstrated on podcasts, so I was  eager to give it a shot, 
> since IPod web browsing is kind of laborious on complex pages. Any hints on 
> these specifics or more general ones on adjusting up from IPod to IPad will 
> be most apprediated.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Carolyn Haas
Mary:
I don't know if this will be helpful or not.  But, I've found it impossible to 
mmove apps to differing pages in the same manner as on the iPhone.  What you 
can do, however, is move the app into the dock.  Go to whichever yage you want 
it on,and move it into the regular grid.
HTH
Carolyn


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

>   Hello all,
> 
> My husband decided he couldn't wait and bought an IPad yesterday, which is 
> nice, since I get to play with it.  Thank goodness for triple click 
> home voice over toggle.
> 
> I'm going to post a couple more messages with specifically vo-related 
> questions, but one that isn't a vo issue concerns the moving of apps. With or 
> without Vo enabled, we've found that we can't move an app from page two to 
> page 1, even though page one is not full. Is there some restriction to the 
> number or type of apps you can have on the page one screen?
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
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> 
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Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Snyder
Hi VInny,
Yes, the ending changes slightly when you make a different choice. You can 
replay the last level or any other level once you've passed the game the first 
time.
HTH
Friendly,
Chris

On Jan 16, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Vinny Pedulla wrote:

> I finished it as well a few nights ago and really enjoyed it. One question: 
> is the ending a little strange? Without spoiling it for everyone, do both 
> doors give the same outcome? That was the only part of the game that left me 
> wondering, but I may be missing something visual. Need to get sided 
> assistance at that point...
> Vinny
> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn and Nicky" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?
> 
> 
> I finally finished it two nights ago.  Personally loved it and can see
> myself playing it more.  I hope they do more games like it and can't
> wait to see more from these developers.  Now I'm on the hunt for more
> like it and the soul trapper type games.  I haven't been lucky so far,
> though.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2011 1:09 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Personally, I loved the game; one of the best I've ever played on any 
>> platform. I still play the levels I like most, or try and see how much I can 
>> play nonstop when I'm on the bus. BTW, for those who don't know, this is a 
>> game for IOS4 on the mobile devices.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Quick nav just works for basic navigation.  Locking VO is more for those 4 and 
5 key combos like, control option shift accent.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

> Hi Rickardo,
> 
> How about using Quick Nav.  I use it all the time and don't have to worry 
> about locking down the VoiceOver keys.  Just a thought.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks.  I don't like using the VO lock for the reason you mentioned.  I 
>> always forget to turn it off when I'm done.  lol.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Colin M wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ricardo!
>>> I've had a listen and although I've never done any music at all!
>>> nice pod cast!
>>> I've a suggestion [not about music! ] when your doing your editing and you 
>>> press vo,shift,command and accent would it help to lock the vo keys!
>>> vo+semi colon and then all the things you do holding down the vo keys you 
>>> just need to use the key[s] but of course must remember to unlock vo after 
>>> your done [ same command to unlock]
>>> It might help
>>> Colin
>>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
>>> 
>>> On 17 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Folks,
 
 Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
 http://goo.gl/HFDM4
 
 hth
 
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New Logic Accessibility Group

2011-01-17 Thread Vinny Pedulla
Hi folks,
For those of you who are using Logic or interested in discussing its current 
state of accessibility, I started a Google Group to explore these areas.
If you are interested in joining the information is as follows:
* Group name: Logic Accessibility
* Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/logic-accessibility
* Group email address logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com
Hope to see you on the list,
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Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Christopher Peppel
Hi Rickardo,

How about using Quick Nav.  I use it all the time and don't have to worry about 
locking down the VoiceOver keys.  Just a thought.

Chris

On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks.  I don't like using the VO lock for the reason you mentioned.  I 
> always forget to turn it off when I'm done.  lol.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Colin M wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo!
>> I've had a listen and although I've never done any music at all!
>> nice pod cast!
>> I've a suggestion [not about music! ] when your doing your editing and you 
>> press vo,shift,command and accent would it help to lock the vo keys!
>> vo+semi colon and then all the things you do holding down the vo keys you 
>> just need to use the key[s] but of course must remember to unlock vo after 
>> your done [ same command to unlock]
>> It might help
>> Colin
>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
>> 
>> On 17 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
>>> http://goo.gl/HFDM4
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>> 
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Re: Twitter Apps

2011-01-17 Thread Sara Waggle
I just have the twitter app it works just fine.  Then set a text message to 
tweet.  

On Jan 16, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ezzy Bueno wrote:

> Hi Listers,
> 
> Which apps do you all use for Twitter, beside Syrinx and Nambu? Any app 
> suggesttions are welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Thanks.  I don't like using the VO lock for the reason you mentioned.  I always 
forget to turn it off when I'm done.  lol.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi Ricardo!
> I've had a listen and although I've never done any music at all!
> nice pod cast!
> I've a suggestion [not about music! ] when your doing your editing and you 
> press vo,shift,command and accent would it help to lock the vo keys!
> vo+semi colon and then all the things you do holding down the vo keys you 
> just need to use the key[s] but of course must remember to unlock vo after 
> your done [ same command to unlock]
> It might help
> Colin
> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
>> http://goo.gl/HFDM4
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
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Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Colin M
Hi Ricardo!
I've had a listen and although I've never done any music at all!
nice pod cast!
I've a suggestion [not about music! ] when your doing your editing and you 
press vo,shift,command and accent would it help to lock the vo keys!
vo+semi colon and then all the things you do holding down the vo keys you just 
need to use the key[s] but of course must remember to unlock vo after your done 
[ same command to unlock]
It might help
Colin
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 17 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
> http://goo.gl/HFDM4
> 
> hth
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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Sarah Alawami
Actually adium still has trouble with it. I sent the developer a screen shot 
vid of what happened along with a discription of what vo was saying.. Sometimes 
it works t turn off curser tracking to read the rest of the messages and 
sometimes not.

s
On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

> Hi,
> Using latest Adium, works great.
> HTH,
> Jeffrey
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
> 
>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>> 
>> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?

2011-01-17 Thread Sarah Alawami
lol. I've been stuck retrying a level even if I passed it so I do turn vo on 
just in case. I don't want to try that chess board again! lol!
On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Justin Thornton wrote:

> you do not even have to turn VO back on in order to switch levels
> just tap in the middle on the screen closer to the bottom portion, and that 
> will press the continue/retry buttons whether you fale tof pass the level 
> when your done
> 
> On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> lol. I play totally with out vo except to switch levels.
>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I like this game as well.  I do find that I have to keep vo on though to 
>>> turn successfully, but I think that's more user error than anything; you 
>>> know, garbage in garbage out, :)
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Jane wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it is. It even tells you when to disabe and re-enable VoiceOver.  You 
>>> don't need ti to play the levels, but you do need to re-enable it to go to 
>>> the next level, no problem though since the serena tells you when to do so.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 12:50 PM, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi. Is this game blind-friendly?
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 16:28, Vinny Pedulla  
 wrote:
> I finished it as well a few nights ago and really enjoyed it. One 
> question:
> is the ending a little strange? Without spoiling it for everyone, do both
> doors give the same outcome? That was the only part of the game that left 
> me
> wondering, but I may be missing something visual. Need to get sided
> assistance at that point...
> Vinny
> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn and Nicky" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?
> 
> 
> I finally finished it two nights ago.  Personally loved it and can see
> myself playing it more.  I hope they do more games like it and can't
> wait to see more from these developers.  Now I'm on the hunt for more
> like it and the soul trapper type games.  I haven't been lucky so far,
> though.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2011 1:09 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Personally, I loved the game; one of the best I've ever played on any
>> platform. I still play the levels I like most, or try and see how much I 
>> can
>> play nonstop when I'm on the bus. BTW, for those who don't know, this is 
>> a
>> game for IOS4 on the mobile devices.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Re: Four and Five Finger Gestures was Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Sarah Alawami
I can probbly do a 5 finger jesture on the phone althorugh my hand would be a 
bit cramped. I actually use the back of my thumb and the first 2 fingers to 
turn pages. so it might be able to be done.

S
On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Marc Workman wrote:

> Scott's right.  According to everything I've read, the new gestures work with 
> the iPad IOS, not iPhone 4.3.  One article that was sent to this list 
> specifically said that they do not work with the iPhone.  Other articles 
> simply don't mention the iPhone when discussing these gestures.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Marc
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?
> 
> 
> Keep in mind this is only a rumor and there is little to support the 
> assertion at this point. I also do not believe the five finger gesture would 
> be used on the iPhone. I recall the article I read indicated these gestures 
> would be only for the iPad, but this is from memory.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>> 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Sarah Alawami
There already is if you plug it in.but maybe address that to apple 
accessibility. I already did  afew months ago.
On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
>> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
>> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
>> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
>> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
>> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
>> screen is just too small.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: creating groups in apple mail

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
Thanks Bret; this is exactly what I want and need to do.

Marlaina


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

This task is actually accomplished in the Address Book application.  You will 
create a group, and then you can add the desired contacts to the group.  When 
composing a message in Mail, you only need to type the name of your group, and 
the addresses will be added.  
Creating a new group my be problematic if you're using Snow Leopard.  It can be 
done by turning VoiceOver off, or something like that.  There are others on the 
list better qualified to describe the process.


Brett C.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I seem to think this was just recently discussed and so if that is the case, 
> please feel free to respond off list.
> 
> I want to create a group from several of my contacts whom I must write to 
> regularly so that I do not have to type each person's name and can give the 
> group a name.  I know how to do this in windows, but have not figured out how 
> to do it in apple mail.
> 
> Any assistance will be appreciated beyond measure, :)
> 
> Marlaina
> 1guide...@gmail.com
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Re: creating groups in apple mail

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
Okay, not sure how to find it can you either describe it again or tell those of 
us who aren't archive smart how to find it?

Thanks so much.

Marlaina

On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

I did describe it in the group some time back.  In the archives I believe.


Sincerely, 
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Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> This task is actually accomplished in the Address Book application.  You will 
> create a group, and then you can add the desired contacts to the group.  When 
> composing a message in Mail, you only need to type the name of your group, 
> and the addresses will be added.  
> Creating a new group my be problematic if you're using Snow Leopard.  It can 
> be done by turning VoiceOver off, or something like that.  There are others 
> on the list better qualified to describe the process.
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I seem to think this was just recently discussed and so if that is the case, 
>> please feel free to respond off list.
>> 
>> I want to create a group from several of my contacts whom I must write to 
>> regularly so that I do not have to type each person's name and can give the 
>> group a name.  I know how to do this in windows, but have not figured out 
>> how to do it in apple mail.
>> 
>> Any assistance will be appreciated beyond measure, :)
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
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Re: A tutorial suggestion was Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hmm,

I'm not sure if you can change the key of loops and samples you have imported 
into garageband.  I'd have to look into that.  But if you could, you would need 
to make a real instrument track for every key you use since you can't just 
change things like that by region. 

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi there.
> Have you been experimenting with adjusting keys of a loop so that one loop 
> goes in one key and another part goes in another? I'm thinking about making a 
> loop based project, but the problem is that no loops use the chords i want, 
> either there are chords that are almost there but not quite, or they don't 
> fit at all so you must make your own chord progressions. What i sorta wonder 
> is if it's possible to make loops with different chord progressions then copy 
> or move those loops elsewhere in the timeline or do you have to do all chord 
> progressions yourself as you go through loops? Wouldn't that be a cool idea 
> for a tutorial?
> /Krister
> 
> 17 jan 2011 kl. 20.18 skrev Ricardo Walker:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
>> http://goo.gl/HFDM4
>> 
>> hth
>> 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
So did my old htc touch pro and mogul.  Its not something I can say I miss 
though.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Chris G wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My Nokia n82 and HTC S740 both vibrate right away when the power button
> is pressed.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 07:59:12 -0500
> Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Lol.
>> 
>> That would only be constructive to those who can't see.  And it would only 
>> be useful on an iPhone since the other devices don't vibrate. :).  I've 
>> heard others mention this, and I just don't think its a big deal.  Voiceover 
>> talks as soon as the IOS loads up anyway.  And if you own an iPhone, and 
>> voiceover doesn't speak and your in doubt if the phone is on, just toggle 
>> the silent switch.  This vibrates when turned on.
>> 
>> JMO.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
>>> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
>>> 
>>> Sent From My I Phone
>>> 
>>> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply 
 turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  
 As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 
 finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any 
 trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I 
 couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture 
 with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
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> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble 
> for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
> 
> Kevin
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Re: creating groups in apple mail

2011-01-17 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I did describe it in the group some time back.  In the archives I believe.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> This task is actually accomplished in the Address Book application.  You will 
> create a group, and then you can add the desired contacts to the group.  When 
> composing a message in Mail, you only need to type the name of your group, 
> and the addresses will be added.  
> Creating a new group my be problematic if you're using Snow Leopard.  It can 
> be done by turning VoiceOver off, or something like that.  There are others 
> on the list better qualified to describe the process.
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I seem to think this was just recently discussed and so if that is the case, 
>> please feel free to respond off list.
>> 
>> I want to create a group from several of my contacts whom I must write to 
>> regularly so that I do not have to type each person's name and can give the 
>> group a name.  I know how to do this in windows, but have not figured out 
>> how to do it in apple mail.
>> 
>> Any assistance will be appreciated beyond measure, :)
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
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Re: navigation the IPad with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Krister,

I encountered that problem you're talking about where one minute you think 
you're at the top and the next, you're way at the bottom of the screen when 
flicking. I thought it was just me. I'm glad to know it wasn't.

Mary
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Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?

2011-01-17 Thread Justin Thornton
you do not even have to turn VO back on in order to switch levels
just tap in the middle on the screen closer to the bottom portion, and that 
will press the continue/retry buttons whether you fale tof pass the level when 
your done

On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> lol. I play totally with out vo except to switch levels.
> On Jan 16, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I like this game as well.  I do find that I have to keep vo on though to 
>> turn successfully, but I think that's more user error than anything; you 
>> know, garbage in garbage out, :)
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Jane wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, it is. It even tells you when to disabe and re-enable VoiceOver.  You 
>> don't need ti to play the levels, but you do need to re-enable it to go to 
>> the next level, no problem though since the serena tells you when to do so.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 12:50 PM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. Is this game blind-friendly?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 16:28, Vinny Pedulla  wrote:
 I finished it as well a few nights ago and really enjoyed it. One question:
 is the ending a little strange? Without spoiling it for everyone, do both
 doors give the same outcome? That was the only part of the game that left 
 me
 wondering, but I may be missing something visual. Need to get sided
 assistance at that point...
 Vinny
 - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn and Nicky" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?
 
 
 I finally finished it two nights ago.  Personally loved it and can see
 myself playing it more.  I hope they do more games like it and can't
 wait to see more from these developers.  Now I'm on the hunt for more
 like it and the soul trapper type games.  I haven't been lucky so far,
 though.
 
 Caitlyn
 
 
 On 12/01/2011 1:09 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> Personally, I loved the game; one of the best I've ever played on any
> platform. I still play the levels I like most, or try and see how much I 
> can
> play nonstop when I'm on the bus. BTW, for those who don't know, this is a
> game for IOS4 on the mobile devices.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: creating groups in apple mail

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Campbell
This task is actually accomplished in the Address Book application.  You will 
create a group, and then you can add the desired contacts to the group.  When 
composing a message in Mail, you only need to type the name of your group, and 
the addresses will be added.  
Creating a new group my be problematic if you're using Snow Leopard.  It can be 
done by turning VoiceOver off, or something like that.  There are others on the 
list better qualified to describe the process.


Brett C.

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> I seem to think this was just recently discussed and so if that is the case, 
> please feel free to respond off list.
> 
> I want to create a group from several of my contacts whom I must write to 
> regularly so that I do not have to type each person's name and can give the 
> group a name.  I know how to do this in windows, but have not figured out how 
> to do it in apple mail.
> 
> Any assistance will be appreciated beyond measure, :)
> 
> Marlaina
> 1guide...@gmail.com
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Update on SEE Finance

2011-01-17 Thread Les Kriegler
I've been working on setting up SEE Finance.  I have 2 accounts with complete 
transactions from my Quicken files and I'm working on setting up a budget.  The 
purpose of this message is to state how pleased I am with the support I've 
received from Support.  I've had regular e-mail assistance, including receiving 
messages on the weekend from Customer Support.  This is crucial, as 
conceptually, there is a learning curve here.  Given the support that has now 
been built into VoiceOver and the ongoing support that has been provided, I can 
highly recommend this product.  While challenging, I can envision getting to a 
point where I may be able to abandon Quicken, which given Intuit's poor track 
record regarding accessibility, would be a pleasure.  By the way, at least one 
individual from the company has been on this list and actually sent me 
something from the archives to assist me in sorting columns in one of my 
tables.  That in itself speaks volumes.

Les

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Re: navigation the IPad with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Another thing i think is a bit tricky is the flicking. Because the pad is so 
big, or whatever it could be, sometimes a flick left is interpreted as a 
downward flick. On top of that, you cansuddenly find yourself in a totally 
different part of the screen than where you want to be, for example you want to 
find something in the beginning of the screen and suddenly as you flick through 
the beginning of the screen you're at the end of the screen several pages down. 
Anyone recognize this?

17 jan 2011 kl. 20.56 skrev Mary Otten:

>   Hi all,
> 
> I've been using an IPod touch for the better part of a year and have gotten 
> use to the gestures and the screen size, pluses and minuses, e.g. cramped 
> space versus more easily pinpointed specific locations. I played around a bit 
> with an IPad yesterday and found the big gaps in unoccupied real estate 
> somewhat of a problem. For instance, when in the app store, I was not able to 
> locate the search field to double tap and activate editing. I know right 
> where it is on the IPod and looked around the top of the screen without 
> success on the IPad. Similarly with the address bar to type in a url in 
> Safari. Once you have a page open and want to type in a url, I assumed the 
> address bar would be near the top, but I didn't find it. People have said 
> that browsing on the pad is a much better experience than with the IPod, and 
> it has been demonstrated on podcasts, so I was  eager to give it a shot, 
> since IPod web browsing is kind of laborious on complex pages. Any hints on 
> these specifics or more general ones on adjusting up from IPod to IPad will 
> be most apprediated.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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A tutorial suggestion was Re: Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi there.
Have you been experimenting with adjusting keys of a loop so that one loop goes 
in one key and another part goes in another? I'm thinking about making a loop 
based project, but the problem is that no loops use the chords i want, either 
there are chords that are almost there but not quite, or they don't fit at all 
so you must make your own chord progressions. What i sorta wonder is if it's 
possible to make loops with different chord progressions then copy or move 
those loops elsewhere in the timeline or do you have to do all chord 
progressions yourself as you go through loops? Wouldn't that be a cool idea for 
a tutorial?
/Krister

17 jan 2011 kl. 20.18 skrev Ricardo Walker:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
> http://goo.gl/HFDM4
> 
> hth
> 
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> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
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Re: moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Esther
Hi Mary,

The default apps that come with the iPad show up on the first page, and I think 
that if you buy new apps they may show up on the second page with iOS 4.2 (on 
both the iPad and other iDevices). However, I haven't had any problems putting 
apps onto the first page of my iPad.  With the iPad you should be able to put 6 
apps into the dock -- which is more than the default configuration has.  So 
what happens if you move an app from page 2 into the dock, and then switch to 
page 1 and move it up from the dock?

This sounds like you'll have fun, although you might have some regrets when the 
announcement for the second generation iPad comes out!   Oh, and for you as a 
language buff, download the "iTranslate - free Translator" by Sonico GmbH, 
which is only for the iPad:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8

There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for 
English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, 
Japanese, and Korean.  These are the Loquendo voices.  The Russian voice is the 
female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good.  There's no counterpart to the 
iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the 
current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod 
Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, 
but can only be checked when you move back to the main page.

Cheers,

Esther 


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Re: moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,

I've used methods one and two from your message, resorting to the method 2 
involving the dock as a last resort, because it is kind of a hastle. We'll have 
to try that on the IPad. and thanks for the additional method for moving apps 
to a new page. I've found that the regular method for dragging off the page 
sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but I was surprised when my sighted 
partner had the problem. I gather there is a way you can use ITunes to move 
apps around if you can see and mentioned that to him, but he didn't try it yet, 
and of course, since it isn't accessible, its of no use to me.

mary
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navigation the IPad with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
Hi all,

I've been using an IPod touch for the better part of a year and have gotten use 
to the gestures and the screen size, pluses and minuses, e.g. cramped space 
versus more easily pinpointed specific locations. I played around a bit with an 
IPad yesterday and found the big gaps in unoccupied real estate somewhat of a 
problem. For instance, when in the app store, I was not able to locate the 
search field to double tap and activate editing. I know right where it is on 
the IPod and looked around the top of the screen without success on the IPad. 
Similarly with the address bar to type in a url in Safari. Once you have a page 
open and want to type in a url, I assumed the address bar would be near the 
top, but I didn't find it. People have said that browsing on the pad is a much 
better experience than with the IPod, and it has been demonstrated on podcasts, 
so I was  eager to give it a shot, since IPod web browsing is kind of laborious 
on complex pages. Any hints on these specifics or more general ones on 
adjusting up from IPod to IPad will be most apprediated.

Mary


Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Mary,

I've been wrestling with this same issue on my iPod Touch over the last 24 
hours, and may have some answers for you.  These tips are all VO-based.

Method 1:  Double-Tap and hold on the app you want to move.  Keep your finger 
there till you hear the iPad say "Moving X" where X is the name of your app.  
Then drag your finger slowly to the edge of the screen, as though you want to 
pull the app off the screen.  To go forward a page, pull the app to the right, 
to go backward, pull it to the left.  You should hear VO chirp, which is your 
indication that you've moved the app to another page.  Then press the home key 
to get back to the normal screen.

Now, I've found that this works wonderfully for moving around the same page, 
but often not so well for moving from page to page.  So here are methods 2 and 
3, method 3 compliments of Apple Accessibility.

Method 2:
Clear out one position in the dock.  Then move the app to the dock, scroll to 
the page where you want the app, and then move the app out of the dock onto the 
new page.  Sounds convoluted, but so far it has proven to be the easiest and 
fastest method

Method 3: Quoted from a message from Apple Accessibility:
"One thing to keep in mind is that to change pages, it does require that the 
app go off screen to the left or right.  If you find that you have your finger 
to the far edge of the display and do not hear VoiceOver indicate you have 
changed pages.:

Lift your finger to drop the app at the current position, you would want to 
make sure that you are not on a folder, then single finger double tap and hold 
on the opposite side of the screen.  
You should hear VoiceOver say “Moving Photos” and then drag your finger to the 
opposite side of the screen.  
This should pick up the app again and move it far enough off screen that you 
will change pages. 

When you are finished remember to press the Home button to exit edit mode."


I hope one of these is helpful to you.
Best,
Donna

On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

>   Hello all,
> 
> My husband decided he couldn't wait and bought an IPad yesterday, which is 
> nice, since I get to play with it.  Thank goodness for triple click 
> home voice over toggle.
> 
> I'm going to post a couple more messages with specifically vo-related 
> questions, but one that isn't a vo issue concerns the moving of apps. With or 
> without Vo enabled, we've found that we can't move an app from page two to 
> page 1, even though page one is not full. Is there some restriction to the 
> number or type of apps you can have on the page one screen?
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
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Re: pages and the Ipad

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Campbell
The documents are transferred through iTunes.  One first imports the documents 
into iTunes, and then when the device is connected, transfer the documents to 
the device.  Following this procedure, an additional step is required.  When 
Pages is open, go to documents, and select import documents.  There will be a 
list of the documents that were transferred, and they have to be selected, and 
imported, within the device one by one.  It took a little practice for me to 
feel comfortable with the process.

Brett C.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> For those of you who use Pages on your IPad, how do you get documents back 
> and forth from the Ipad to your Mac or pc? Can it be done via ITunes? Or do 
> you have to use dropbox or some other means to transfer documents?
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
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RE: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Andy Baracco
Before my iPhone, every cell phone I ever had would either play a tune,
vibrate, or both when it came on.

Andy
 


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That's a really good suggestion!

I second that.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more
constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply
turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.
As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5
finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any
trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I
couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with
comfort.  The screen is just too small.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble
for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example,
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from
>>> -future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
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Re: question for zaggmate users

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Campbell
Getting to the back button isn't really an issue for me.  I'll either touch the 
screen and perform the two finger scrub gesture, or I will use control and up 
arrow to take me to the top left corner where the back button is located.

Brett C.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

>   There has been talk on this list about the zaggmate keyboard and how 
> some of its keys, notably the escape key, don't do what analogous keys do on 
> the Apple keyboard. For instance, with the escape key, pressing it takes you 
> out of the app completely, as I recall, rather than acting like the back 
> button. So how do you get to the back button when using the keyboard? What 
> other oddities are there with the Zaggmate and have you found work arounds 
> for them all? I saw that case yesterday at the Best Buy store and was 
> intrigued, but concerned about some of the key interaction differences.
> 
> Mary
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question for zaggmate users

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
There has been talk on this list about the zaggmate keyboard and how 
some of its keys, notably the escape key, don't do what analogous keys do on 
the Apple keyboard. For instance, with the escape key, pressing it takes you 
out of the app completely, as I recall, rather than acting like the back 
button. So how do you get to the back button when using the keyboard? What 
other oddities are there with the Zaggmate and have you found work arounds for 
them all? I saw that case yesterday at the Best Buy store and was intrigued, 
but concerned about some of the key interaction differences.

Mary

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pages and the Ipad

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
For those of you who use Pages on your IPad, how do you get documents back and 
forth from the Ipad to your Mac or pc? Can it be done via ITunes? Or do you 
have to use dropbox or some other means to transfer documents?

Mary
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moving apps on an IPad

2011-01-17 Thread Mary Otten
Hello all,

My husband decided he couldn't wait and bought an IPad yesterday, which is 
nice, since I get to play with it.  Thank goodness for triple click home 
voice over toggle.

I'm going to post a couple more messages with specifically vo-related 
questions, but one that isn't a vo issue concerns the moving of apps. With or 
without Vo enabled, we've found that we can't move an app from page two to page 
1, even though page one is not full. Is there some restriction to the number or 
type of apps you can have on the page one screen?

Mary
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Garageband tutorial 3.

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi Folks,

Part 3 of my audio tutorial on Garageband is up.  You can listen at
http://goo.gl/HFDM4

hth

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Re: Daisy readers

2011-01-17 Thread Zachary Kline
Hello Anne,
Thank you very much for this information.  It was just what I was hoping to 
hear.  I'll have to look into the different readers and see which will suit my 
needs.
Best,
Zack.
On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Zack,
> 
> For the Mac, there are two Daisy readers: Olearia, which is free; and 
> ReadHear which has more features but it costs.
> 
> For the iPhone and iPod Touch, there are also two Daisy players: DaisyWorm 
> which costs €2.99 (I don't know how much it costs in dollars); and InDaisy 
> which costs €21.99.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 03:56, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I've been getting many of my college textbooks in Daisy format and was 
>> wondering what programs, if any, are available for reading it on the Mac.  
>> Given the topic of this list I'd hope they'd be VoiceOver friendly.
>> Barring this, are their any apps for the IPod Touch or IPhone that might fit 
>> the bill?  I'm going to be purchasing one or another of these in the near 
>> future.  
>> Best and thanks for any advice,
>> Zack.
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RE: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Andy Baracco
My take was that this only will apply to the iPad.
Andy
 


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Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

I was thinking about that as well actually. The only way I can see it
working is if your fumb is at the bottom of the screen and your other
4 fingers are at the top. Even then, it doesn't sound overly smooth.

I do like the idea of controling multitasking using jestures though; I
always thought that the app switcher could have been a bit better ad that it
could load a bit faster come to think of it.

On 17/01/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply 
> turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power 
> button.  As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about 
> these 4 and 5 finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It 
> wouldn't be any trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate 
> but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 
> 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell 
>> trouble for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for 
>> example, triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-
>> future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>
>> Kevin
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
Mike,

You can turn your trackpad on by doing a vo and two finger clockwise gesture on 
the trackpad.  T turn it off, do an anti clockwise gesture with the vo keys.

Marlaina


On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

Hey Krister,

Thanks for the idea.  Once I figure out how to turn my trackpad on again, so 
that I can work with gestures, I can give this a try.  It might work.

How do you turn on the trackpad?  You can tell me to go to the manual, but if 
you know the answer off the top of your head and are feeling generous ...

Thanks for the idea,

Mike

On 17,Jan,2011, at 5:37 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hey Mike.
> Do you by chance have either a magic trackpad or a trackpad built-in on your 
> Mac? And i mean the modern ones that can do multi jestures? If so go to the 
> sync menu by pressing vo+m twice in rapid succession and route the mouse 
> there (vo+cmd+f5). Now place your finger on the trackpad and move it 
> carefully and slowly over the pad. VO should now read the buttons on the 
> invisible (at least to vo with common commands) system row or what one can 
> call it. Trouble is i have also downloaded HSS and i can for the life of me 
> not find it on that row either which escapes me why.
> /Krister
> 
> 17 jan 2011 kl. 15.58 skrev Michael Busboom:
> 
>> Hello, and thank you very much!
>> 
>> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
>> need, even if it is a hassle?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
>> 
>>> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
>>> ha scritto:
 While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
 problems with the Mac iteration.
>>> 
>>> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
>>> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
>>> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot 
>>> read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon 
>>> there, but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many 
>>> other applications too.
>>> 
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Re: Saving RTF as Text

2011-01-17 Thread Esther
Hi Jane,

TextEdit works in two modes: plain text and rich text format.  In order to 
switch from the rich text format of the .rtf file, you need to use the shortcut 
Command-Shift-T to make this plain text before saving as .txt, or else navigate 
to the Format menu on the TextEdit menu bar and select the same option 
associated with this shortcut.  Command-Shift-T will also switch plain text 
format to rich text. 

HTH. 
On Jan 17, 2011, at 08:27, Jane wrote:

> Just want to save a .rtf file as .txt, but can't seem to do so in TextEdit.  
> What am I missing?
> 
> Jane
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Re: safari question

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
Andre,

That did the trick.  Thank you for helping me to learn yet another cool thing.

Marlaina

On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote:

Hello Marlaina ,

That's the bookmarks bar. You can toggle between showing it or not, I think 
it's in the View menu.

Sorry, I'm not at my Mac right now so can't check it.


HTH,
André

On 17-01-2011 11:12, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> When I tab around in Safari or open item chooser, I bump into some stuff that 
> I have no idea why it apears each time.  Wow, what a horrid sentence that 
> was, :)
> 
> Essentially, what is happening is that I am constantly seeing a few of my 
> personally added bookmarks along with a bookmark to apple, wickipedia and 
> others.  It is annoying because each time I open item chooser, I have to down 
> arrow through these ten or so items.
> 
> I'm sorry I'm asking this question without really knowing how to refer to 
> what I want to hide, but how do I get rid of these items so they do not 
> appear?  I tried hiding bookmarks but that didn't seem to do anything.
> 
> Thanks so much for any assistance.
> 
> Marlaina
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Massimo
In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 16.29.46, Michael Busboom 
 ha scritto:

This is very disturbing.  Just for the fun of it, I just relaunched Hot Spot 
Shield and discovered that you were right.  It is indeed on the system status 
bar, and I can find no way to get to it.


I am very sorry. The status bar problem is what I call a major VO issue. 
I sent my  mail about that to accessibil...@apple.com, getting no 
relevant answer.


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Saving RTF as Text

2011-01-17 Thread Jane
Just want to save a .rtf file as .txt, but can't seem to do so in TextEdit.  
What am I missing?

Jane


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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread brandt
LOL! Wouldn't be surprised if the volume keys somehow get involved along the 
way.


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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?


It could or, Apple could just do something clever like they have previously.

I can't remember how many times I heard Apple will never make an accessible 
phone with a qwerty keyboard or any variation comments.  Then apple comes 
out with a revolutionary touch screen only design and rocks the market. 
Clearly they put a lot of time in to their designs for all accessibility 
methods, they will do something else like presses of the volume keys or 
scratching your left gentlemans parts 3 times.  :)


On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.


http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/

Kevin

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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Scott Granados
The old HTC Touch pro did as well and possibly their earlier Mogul.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Chris G wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My Nokia n82 and HTC S740 both vibrate right away when the power button
> is pressed.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 07:59:12 -0500
> Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Lol.
>> 
>> That would only be constructive to those who can't see.  And it would only 
>> be useful on an iPhone since the other devices don't vibrate. :).  I've 
>> heard others mention this, and I just don't think its a big deal.  Voiceover 
>> talks as soon as the IOS loads up anyway.  And if you own an iPhone, and 
>> voiceover doesn't speak and your in doubt if the phone is on, just toggle 
>> the silent switch.  This vibrates when turned on.
>> 
>> JMO.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
>>> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
>>> 
>>> Sent From My I Phone
>>> 
>>> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply 
 turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  
 As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 
 finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any 
 trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I 
 couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture 
 with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
 
> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble 
> for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Scott Granados
I need something like that which would make my IP addresses look like I was in 
the UK.  Could listen to the MLB streams for free.:)

On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I recently ran across a program that I really like, and some of you, 
> especially if you are outside the U.S. and want to listen to US content on 
> the Web may like it, too.
> 
> The program is called Hotspot Shield, and it makes your IP invisible to 
> computers around you.  This is a good program to have if you travel and don't 
> want people stealing sensitive information that you are sending from your 
> computer through a WIFI network.
> 
> I have both Windows and Mac versions of the program.
> 
> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
> problems with the Mac iteration.
> 
> 1. The installer was in no way accessible.  The only reason I could install 
> the program was because I selected the default options throughout the entire 
> installation process.
> 
> 2.  Thus far, I have not been able to activate either of the two Hotspot 
> Shield features (connect or disconnect) though I know that the program is 
> installed.  A friend using a remote desktop application could see that the 
> program's menu options were "hanging out somewhere" on my Mac's screen, but 
> we couldn't find a way to get to them  with Voice Over.
> 
> Has anyone ever successfully used Hotspot Shield in conjunction with Voice 
> Over and if so, how were you able to click on the enable and disable 
> features?  If this is of any help, the connect and disconnect options hang 
> out in Windows' system tray.
> 
> By the way, the program works great, and if I ever wanted to, I would be able 
> to listen to certain radio streams in the States, albeit running under 
> Windows for the time being..
> 
> This freeware app got lots of positive coverage on CNN a while back, and I 
> believe that it might be worth checking out.  I have posted the link below.
> 
> My best to all,
> 
> Mike
> 
> http://anchorfree.com/
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Re: Soul Trapper: A Novel in accessible format?

2011-01-17 Thread Jane
How much is it in iBooks?

Jane


On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Orin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This new book based on the Soul Trapper game is an iBook, but I dunno, I 
> kinda hate Sam's reading. Has anyone been able to find this book either in 
> audio or text somewhere?
> 
> I figured it was okay to post this since it's a book based on a game that's 
> an app.
> 
> Thanks, and if I can't get it in audio or text I'll just have to stick to the 
> iBook, a little Kane Price is better than none.
> 
> 
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Soul Trapper: A Novel in accessible format?

2011-01-17 Thread Orin
Hi all,

This new book based on the Soul Trapper game is an iBook, but I dunno, I kinda 
hate Sam's reading. Has anyone been able to find this book either in audio or 
text somewhere?

I figured it was okay to post this since it's a book based on a game that's an 
app.

Thanks, and if I can't get it in audio or text I'll just have to stick to the 
iBook, a little Kane Price is better than none.


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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Scott Granados
That's a really good suggestion!

I second that.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
>> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
>> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
>> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
>> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
>> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
>> screen is just too small.
>> 
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>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
If you mean the internal trackpad of a macbook, i'm afraid you'll have to go to 
the manual, as i'm clueless on that. On the magic trackpad there's a button on 
the right side of the thing, press it and it'll pair.
HTH
/Krister
17 jan 2011 kl. 18.02 skrev Michael Busboom:

> Hey Krister,
> 
> Thanks for the idea.  Once I figure out how to turn my trackpad on again, so 
> that I can work with gestures, I can give this a try.  It might work.
> 
> How do you turn on the trackpad?  You can tell me to go to the manual, but if 
> you know the answer off the top of your head and are feeling generous ...
> 
> Thanks for the idea,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 17,Jan,2011, at 5:37 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hey Mike.
>> Do you by chance have either a magic trackpad or a trackpad built-in on your 
>> Mac? And i mean the modern ones that can do multi jestures? If so go to the 
>> sync menu by pressing vo+m twice in rapid succession and route the mouse 
>> there (vo+cmd+f5). Now place your finger on the trackpad and move it 
>> carefully and slowly over the pad. VO should now read the buttons on the 
>> invisible (at least to vo with common commands) system row or what one can 
>> call it. Trouble is i have also downloaded HSS and i can for the life of me 
>> not find it on that row either which escapes me why.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 17 jan 2011 kl. 15.58 skrev Michael Busboom:
>> 
>>> Hello, and thank you very much!
>>> 
>>> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items 
>>> I need, even if it is a hassle?
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
>>> 
 In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
 ha scritto:
> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
> problems with the Mac iteration.
 
 For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO 
 bug. The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the 
 system status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO 
 cannot read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an 
 icon there, but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. 
 And many other applications too.
 
 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Scott Granados
It could or, Apple could just do something clever like they have previously.

I can't remember how many times I heard Apple will never make an accessible 
phone with a qwerty keyboard or any variation comments.  Then apple comes out 
with a revolutionary touch screen only design and rocks the market.  Clearly 
they put a lot of time in to their designs for all accessibility methods, they 
will do something else like presses of the volume keys or scratching your left 
gentlemans parts 3 times.  :)

On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
> 
> Kevin
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Four and Five Finger Gestures was Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Marc Workman
Scott's right.  According to everything I've read, the new gestures work 
with the iPad IOS, not iPhone 4.3.  One article that was sent to this list 
specifically said that they do not work with the iPhone.  Other articles 
simply don't mention the iPhone when discussing these gestures.


Best,

Marc
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Howell" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?


Keep in mind this is only a rumor and there is little to support the 
assertion at this point. I also do not believe the five finger gesture would 
be used on the iPhone. I recall the article I read indicated these gestures 
would be only for the iPad, but this is from memory.

Scott





On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.


http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/

Kevin

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Re: Daisy readers

2011-01-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Zack,

For the Mac, there are two Daisy readers: Olearia, which is free; and ReadHear 
which has more features but it costs.

For the iPhone and iPod Touch, there are also two Daisy players: DaisyWorm 
which costs €2.99 (I don't know how much it costs in dollars); and InDaisy 
which costs €21.99.

Cheers,

Anne




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> Hi All,
> I've been getting many of my college textbooks in Daisy format and was 
> wondering what programs, if any, are available for reading it on the Mac.  
> Given the topic of this list I'd hope they'd be VoiceOver friendly.
> Barring this, are their any apps for the IPod Touch or IPhone that might fit 
> the bill?  I'm going to be purchasing one or another of these in the near 
> future.  
> Best and thanks for any advice,
> Zack.
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Busboom
Hey Krister,

Thanks for the idea.  Once I figure out how to turn my trackpad on again, so 
that I can work with gestures, I can give this a try.  It might work.

How do you turn on the trackpad?  You can tell me to go to the manual, but if 
you know the answer off the top of your head and are feeling generous ...

Thanks for the idea,

Mike

On 17,Jan,2011, at 5:37 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hey Mike.
> Do you by chance have either a magic trackpad or a trackpad built-in on your 
> Mac? And i mean the modern ones that can do multi jestures? If so go to the 
> sync menu by pressing vo+m twice in rapid succession and route the mouse 
> there (vo+cmd+f5). Now place your finger on the trackpad and move it 
> carefully and slowly over the pad. VO should now read the buttons on the 
> invisible (at least to vo with common commands) system row or what one can 
> call it. Trouble is i have also downloaded HSS and i can for the life of me 
> not find it on that row either which escapes me why.
> /Krister
> 
> 17 jan 2011 kl. 15.58 skrev Michael Busboom:
> 
>> Hello, and thank you very much!
>> 
>> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
>> need, even if it is a hassle?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
>> 
>>> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
>>> ha scritto:
 While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
 problems with the Mac iteration.
>>> 
>>> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
>>> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
>>> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot 
>>> read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon 
>>> there, but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many 
>>> other applications too.
>>> 
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Busboom
Hi.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Voxkeys? No, I didn't want to write to the 
developer before proving definitively that was a Voice Over problem, not a 
"Mike" problem. :)

As far as people in the States using Hot Spot Shield to listen to British 
content, it apparently won't work.  The server that assigns IP addresses 
apparently uses American IPs.

HTH

Mike
On 17,Jan,2011, at 4:45 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Maybe this is something Brian Smart could look at with Voxkeys.  In the 
> meantime have you tried writing to the developer?  Do you know if there is an 
> iPhone version too?  Could this app also be used for our american cousins to 
> access BBC iPlayer from their side of the pond too?
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 14:58, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello, and thank you very much!
>> 
>> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
>> need, even if it is a hassle?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
>> 
>>> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
>>> ha scritto:
 While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
 problems with the Mac iteration.
>>> 
>>> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
>>> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
>>> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot 
>>> read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon 
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>>> other applications too.
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Re: safari question

2011-01-17 Thread Mike Arrigo
Hi, the best way to deal with this is to go to the view menu and disable book 
marks. Actually, at least for me, a common practice is to go to the view menu 
in all my applications and hide as much as possible, such as tool bars, book 
mark bars, etc. It's extra clutter to navigate through, and can sometimes draw 
the focus away from the main area of the application.
On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> When I tab around in Safari or open item chooser, I bump into some stuff that 
> I have no idea why it apears each time.  Wow, what a horrid sentence that 
> was, :)
> 
> Essentially, what is happening is that I am constantly seeing a few of my 
> personally added bookmarks along with a bookmark to apple, wickipedia and 
> others.  It is annoying because each time I open item chooser, I have to down 
> arrow through these ten or so items.  
> 
> I'm sorry I'm asking this question without really knowing how to refer to 
> what I want to hide, but how do I get rid of these items so they do not 
> appear?  I tried hiding bookmarks but that didn't seem to do anything.
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Chris G
Hi,

My Nokia n82 and HTC S740 both vibrate right away when the power button
is pressed.



On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 07:59:12 -0500
Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Lol.
> 
> That would only be constructive to those who can't see.  And it would only be 
> useful on an iPhone since the other devices don't vibrate. :).  I've heard 
> others mention this, and I just don't think its a big deal.  Voiceover talks 
> as soon as the IOS loads up anyway.  And if you own an iPhone, and voiceover 
> doesn't speak and your in doubt if the phone is on, just toggle the silent 
> switch.  This vibrates when turned on.
> 
> JMO.
> 
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> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> > rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
> > constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> > 
> > Sent From My I Phone
> > 
> > On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> > 
> >> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply 
> >> turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  
> >> As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 
> >> finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any 
> >> trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I 
> >> couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture 
> >> with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
> >> 
> >> Ricardo Walker
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble 
> >>> for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> >>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
> >>> 
> >>> Kevin
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hey Mike.
Do you by chance have either a magic trackpad or a trackpad built-in on your 
Mac? And i mean the modern ones that can do multi jestures? If so go to the 
sync menu by pressing vo+m twice in rapid succession and route the mouse there 
(vo+cmd+f5). Now place your finger on the trackpad and move it carefully and 
slowly over the pad. VO should now read the buttons on the invisible (at least 
to vo with common commands) system row or what one can call it. Trouble is i 
have also downloaded HSS and i can for the life of me not find it on that row 
either which escapes me why.
/Krister

17 jan 2011 kl. 15.58 skrev Michael Busboom:

> Hello, and thank you very much!
> 
> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
> need, even if it is a hassle?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
> 
>> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
>> ha scritto:
>>> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
>>> problems with the Mac iteration.
>> 
>> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
>> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
>> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot 
>> read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon there, 
>> but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many other 
>> applications too.
>> 
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Re: group mode was Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moore
Lazy bitch lol but yeah that works on some sites too.
On 17 Jan 2011, at 14:25, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I find that on many sites, pressing command shift R to enter the article 
> reader works great. 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:04 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Uh, well it really depends a lot on the person who is browsing and the sites 
>> they look at.  Some sites actually to not display information properly in 
>> one or the other mode.  For an example of a site that doesn't really display 
>> properly in dom mode, see http://www.erik-burggraaf.com.  This site displays 
>> all it's information properly in group, but leaves things out in dom.
>> 
>> Group mode vastly improves navigation on sites driven by lists and tables.  
>> It also makes for a great way to skip over useless or duplicate information 
>> on large web pages, especially if they have no headings for the purpose.  
>> It's fantastic for reading the articles that often get posted here because 
>> it groups the article together and the adds together, so you can ignore the 
>> ads and read the article.
>> 
>> It does take a lot of practice though, and I have seen people get hopelessly 
>> lost, especially elderly people.  It's not for everyone or every site, but 
>> on many sites it's a huge advantage.  Plus I use the item chooser a whole 
>> lot.  I do occasionally look at a whole page, but very seldom.  It just 
>> takes to much time, even at 400 words per minute.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2011-01-17, at 8:47 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> 
>>> Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
>>> What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
>>> lot more complicated?
>>> 
>>> On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
 In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
 mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
 this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so 
 I
 can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
 conversations on adium.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
 
> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
> 
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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moore
I must admit I do use group mode for certain websites where I can whizz up and 
down and around quicker then linear DOM mode and group mode can be very handy 
when you use the main Facebook site.
On 17 Jan 2011, at 13:47, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
> What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
> lot more complicated?
> 
> On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
>> mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
>> this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I
>> can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
>> conversations on adium.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>> 
>>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>>> 
>>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>>> 
>>> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moore
Maybe this is something Brian Smart could look at with Voxkeys.  In the 
meantime have you tried writing to the developer?  Do you know if there is an 
iPhone version too?  Could this app also be used for our american cousins to 
access BBC iPlayer from their side of the pond too?
On 17 Jan 2011, at 14:58, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hello, and thank you very much!
> 
> This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
> need, even if it is a hassle?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:
> 
>> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  
>> ha scritto:
>>> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
>>> problems with the Mac iteration.
>> 
>> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
>> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
>> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot 
>> read all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon there, 
>> but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many other 
>> applications too.
>> 
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Busboom
Dear Massimo,

This is very disturbing.  Just for the fun of it, I just relaunched Hot Spot 
Shield and discovered that you were right.  It is indeed on the system status 
bar, and I can find no way to get to it.

Thank you very much,

Mike
 
On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:

> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  ha 
> scritto:
>> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
>> problems with the Mac iteration.
> 
> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot read 
> all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon there, but 
> VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many other 
> applications too.
> 
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Busboom
Hello, and thank you very much!

This is what I had suspected.  Is there any other way to get to the  items I 
need, even if it is a hassle?

Kind regards,

Mike

On 17,Jan,2011, at 3:27 PM, Massimo wrote:

> In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom  ha 
> scritto:
>> While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
>> problems with the Mac iteration.
> 
> For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO bug. 
> The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on the system 
> status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing VO+m+m. VO cannot read 
> all the items present there. For example, dropbox places an icon there, but 
> VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same problem. And many other 
> applications too.
> 
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Re: Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Massimo
In data Lunedì 17 Gennaio 2011 15.04.42, Michael Busboom 
 ha scritto:
While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several 
problems with the Mac iteration.


For what I know, the problems you are having may be the result of a VO 
bug. The commands to enable and disable the software functions are on 
the system status bar: I mean that item you can reach by pressing 
VO+m+m. VO cannot read all the items present there. For example, dropbox 
places an icon there, but VO doesn't show it at all. VMWare has the same 
problem. And many other applications too.



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Re: group mode was Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I find that on many sites, pressing command shift R to enter the article reader 
works great. 

Ricardo Walker
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:04 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Uh, well it really depends a lot on the person who is browsing and the sites 
> they look at.  Some sites actually to not display information properly in one 
> or the other mode.  For an example of a site that doesn't really display 
> properly in dom mode, see http://www.erik-burggraaf.com.  This site displays 
> all it's information properly in group, but leaves things out in dom.
> 
> Group mode vastly improves navigation on sites driven by lists and tables.  
> It also makes for a great way to skip over useless or duplicate information 
> on large web pages, especially if they have no headings for the purpose.  
> It's fantastic for reading the articles that often get posted here because it 
> groups the article together and the adds together, so you can ignore the ads 
> and read the article.
> 
> It does take a lot of practice though, and I have seen people get hopelessly 
> lost, especially elderly people.  It's not for everyone or every site, but on 
> many sites it's a huge advantage.  Plus I use the item chooser a whole lot.  
> I do occasionally look at a whole page, but very seldom.  It just takes to 
> much time, even at 400 words per minute.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2011-01-17, at 8:47 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
>> What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
>> lot more complicated?
>> 
>> On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>> In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
>>> mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
>>> this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I
>>> can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
>>> conversations on adium.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> User support consultant,
>>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>>> 
 hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
 is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
 in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcom!!
 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Right,

But 5 finger gestures have nothing to do with being blind.  Its the size of the 
screen, and the size of ones hands.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> It may just be what we aren't used to, five fingered gestures seem foreign  
> now. HOwever, it wasn't too too long ago that using a touch screen for the 
> blind was also way out in left field:) smiles.
> On 2011-01-17, at 6:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
>> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
>> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
>> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
>> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
>> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
>> screen is just too small.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
It did for me at least.  lol.  I tried, and just couldn't get the hang of it.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
> What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
> lot more complicated?
> 
> On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
>> mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
>> this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I
>> can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
>> conversations on adium.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>> 
>>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>>> 
>>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>>> 
>>> kind regards trahern.
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group mode was Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread erik burggraaf
Uh, well it really depends a lot on the person who is browsing and the sites 
they look at.  Some sites actually to not display information properly in one 
or the other mode.  For an example of a site that doesn't really display 
properly in dom mode, see http://www.erik-burggraaf.com.  This site displays 
all it's information properly in group, but leaves things out in dom.

Group mode vastly improves navigation on sites driven by lists and tables.  It 
also makes for a great way to skip over useless or duplicate information on 
large web pages, especially if they have no headings for the purpose.  It's 
fantastic for reading the articles that often get posted here because it groups 
the article together and the adds together, so you can ignore the ads and read 
the article.

It does take a lot of practice though, and I have seen people get hopelessly 
lost, especially elderly people.  It's not for everyone or every site, but on 
many sites it's a huge advantage.  Plus I use the item chooser a whole lot.  I 
do occasionally look at a whole page, but very seldom.  It just takes to much 
time, even at 400 words per minute.

Best,

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On 2011-01-17, at 8:47 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
> What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
> lot more complicated?
> 
> On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
>> mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
>> this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I
>> can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
>> conversations on adium.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>> 
>>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>>> 
>>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>>> 
>>> kind regards trahern.
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Accessibility of Hotspot Shield

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Busboom
Hello everyone,

I recently ran across a program that I really like, and some of you, especially 
if you are outside the U.S. and want to listen to US content on the Web may 
like it, too.

The program is called Hotspot Shield, and it makes your IP invisible to 
computers around you.  This is a good program to have if you travel and don't 
want people stealing sensitive information that you are sending from your 
computer through a WIFI network.

I have both Windows and Mac versions of the program.

While I was able to install the Windows version, I encountered several problems 
with the Mac iteration.

1. The installer was in no way accessible.  The only reason I could install the 
program was because I selected the default options throughout the entire 
installation process.

2.  Thus far, I have not been able to activate either of the two Hotspot Shield 
features (connect or disconnect) though I know that the program is installed.  
A friend using a remote desktop application could see that the program's menu 
options were "hanging out somewhere" on my Mac's screen, but we couldn't find a 
way to get to them  with Voice Over.

Has anyone ever successfully used Hotspot Shield in conjunction with Voice Over 
and if so, how were you able to click on the enable and disable features?  If 
this is of any help, the connect and disconnect options hang out in Windows' 
system tray.

By the way, the program works great, and if I ever wanted to, I would be able 
to listen to certain radio streams in the States, albeit running under Windows 
for the time being..

This freeware app got lots of positive coverage on CNN a while back, and I 
believe that it might be worth checking out.  I have posted the link below.

My best to all,

Mike

http://anchorfree.com/

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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Kaare Dehard
It may just be what we aren't used to, five fingered gestures seem foreign  
now. HOwever, it wasn't too too long ago that using a touch screen for the 
blind was also way out in left field:) smiles.
On 2011-01-17, at 6:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
> screen is just too small.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Oriol Gómez
Wait what? People actually browse the web in group mode'
What are the benefits of this? Isn't that just going to make things a
lot more complicated?

On 1/17/11, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom
> mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved
> this by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I
> can have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing
> conversations on adium.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>
>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>>
>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>>
>> kind regards trahern.
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RE: Working with the Trash with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Frank Ventura
Ricardo, thanks once in the Trash I found a "put back" item in the
context menu. That worked .
Frank

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Hi Frank,

The trash can be found on the dock.  You can get to it by VO D or,
control F3.  Once in the trash, you can press VO shift M to bring up the
context menu and check if their is a move back to location, or something
to that effect.  Failing that, just copy and paste it back in the folder
the deleted item came from.

hth


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> Hi can anyone tell me how to open up the trash and move an item out of
> it using VO?
> Thanks
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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread erik burggraaf
In my experience VO has always read the conversation window, as long as dom 
mode is set.  If you change to group then you run into problems.  I solved this 
by making a keyboard commander key to switch between dom and group so I can 
have group mode for browsing and get dom back for reviewing conversations on 
adium.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2011-01-17, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
> 
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Scott Howell
Keep in mind this is only a rumor and there is little to support the assertion 
at this point. I also do not believe the five finger gesture would be used on 
the iPhone. I recall the article I read indicated these gestures would be only 
for the iPad, but this is from memory.
Scott





On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
> 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Thanks Ricardo, You know I have an I phone and thanks for the tip.

Sent From My I Phone

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> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Lol.
> 
> That would only be constructive to those who can't see.  And it would only be 
> useful on an iPhone since the other devices don't vibrate. :).  I've heard 
> others mention this, and I just don't think its a big deal.  Voiceover talks 
> as soon as the IOS loads up anyway.  And if you own an iPhone, and voiceover 
> doesn't speak and your in doubt if the phone is on, just toggle the silent 
> switch.  This vibrates when turned on.
> 
> JMO.
> 
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> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
>> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
>> 
>> Sent From My I Phone
>> 
>> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
>>> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As 
>>> far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
>>> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on 
>>> a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't 
>>> imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort. 
>>>  The screen is just too small.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
 Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
 some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
 triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
 
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Re: Working with the Trash with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi Frank,

The trash can be found on the dock.  You can get to it by VO D or, control F3.  
Once in the trash, you can press VO shift M to bring up the context menu and 
check if their is a move back to location, or something to that effect.  
Failing that, just copy and paste it back in the folder the deleted item came 
from.

hth


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> Hi can anyone tell me how to open up the trash and move an item out of
> it using VO?
> Thanks
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi Kawal,

Lol.

That would only be constructive to those who can't see.  And it would only be 
useful on an iPhone since the other devices don't vibrate. :).  I've heard 
others mention this, and I just don't think its a big deal.  Voiceover talks as 
soon as the IOS loads up anyway.  And if you own an iPhone, and voiceover 
doesn't speak and your in doubt if the phone is on, just toggle the silent 
switch.  This vibrates when turned on.

JMO.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more 
> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
>> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
>> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
>> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
>> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
>> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
>> screen is just too small.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
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Working with the Trash with VO

2011-01-17 Thread Frank Ventura
Hi can anyone tell me how to open up the trash and move an item out of
it using VO?
Thanks
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Andre Nuno Soares
Ars Technica  has an interesting article on why the Home button won't 
disappear for now:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/01/why-apple-wont-yet-ditch-the-home-button-on-the-iphone-and-ipad.ars



Cheers,
André

On 17-01-2011 11:57, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

I was thinking about that as well actually. The only way I can see it
working is if your fumb is at the bottom of the screen and your other
4 fingers are at the top. Even then, it doesn't sound overly smooth.

I do like the idea of controling multitasking using jestures though; I
always thought that the app switcher could have been a bit better ad
that it could load a bit faster come to think of it.

On 17/01/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn
it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far
as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger
gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a
iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine
many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The
screen is just too small.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:


Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for
some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example,
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/

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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
To be honest, if it means a bigger screen whilst keeping the size of
the phone the same, I'm all for it.

On 17/01/2011, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more
> constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
>
> Sent From My I Phone
>
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply
>> turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.
>> As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5
>> finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any
>> trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I
>> couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture
>> with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble
>>> for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example,
>>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>>
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>>
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more constructive 
by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.

Sent From My I Phone

On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
> screen is just too small.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>> 
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
I was thinking about that as well actually. The only way I can see it
working is if your fumb is at the bottom of the screen and your other
4 fingers are at the top. Even then, it doesn't sound overly smooth.

I do like the idea of controling multitasking using jestures though; I
always thought that the app switcher could have been a bit better ad
that it could load a bit faster come to think of it.

On 17/01/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn
> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far
> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger
> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a
> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine
> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The
> screen is just too small.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for
>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example,
>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn it 
from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far as 
the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger gestures 
they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a iPad with 
all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine many adults 
being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The screen is just too 
small.

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
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Re: Garageband question

2011-01-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Really?

The pop up menu to quantize was always dimmed for me in GB 5 when working with 
a real instrument track.

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On Jan 16, 2011, at 6:02 PM, John André Netland wrote:

> Hi Ricardo and all,
> 
> The quantize feature for audio was also accessible in GB5, the difference 
> between audio quantizing and the new groove feature, is that you allocate a 
> track to be followed by other tracks, just like you do with the ducking 
> feature. I've not seen a way to do this with VO yet.
> 
> Cheers,
> John André
> 
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> On 16. jan. 2011, at 22.46, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Groove matching? nah! it will never catch on *grin 
>> On 16 Jan 2011, at 21:00, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I have noticed that we are now able to have audio tracks follow time and 
>>> tempo via quantizing.  Isn't this what groove matching was?
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>>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 Its one of the 2 hyped up new features which are not accessible Ricardo L( 
 borrowed from Logic 9.
 
 I would be happy with basic midi note editing.  Man at the moment Reeper 
 and Sonar really do make me drool (and that is not a pretty sight I can 
 assure you).
 On 16 Jan 2011, at 18:48, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
> Refresh my memory?  Which of the 2 hyped up GB 6 features is this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:
> 
>> Hello I was wondering if anyone has figured out how to use the groove 
>> timing feature in garageband? thanks ED
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Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

2011-01-17 Thread Kevin Shaw
Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for some 
of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, triple-clicking the 
home button to toggle VO on and off.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/

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Re: safari question

2011-01-17 Thread Andre Nuno Soares

Hello Marlaina ,

That's the bookmarks bar. You can toggle between showing it or not, I 
think it's in the View menu.


Sorry, I'm not at my Mac right now so can't check it.


HTH,
André

On 17-01-2011 11:12, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

Hi all.

When I tab around in Safari or open item chooser, I bump into some stuff that I 
have no idea why it apears each time.  Wow, what a horrid sentence that was, :)

Essentially, what is happening is that I am constantly seeing a few of my 
personally added bookmarks along with a bookmark to apple, wickipedia and 
others.  It is annoying because each time I open item chooser, I have to down 
arrow through these ten or so items.

I'm sorry I'm asking this question without really knowing how to refer to what 
I want to hide, but how do I get rid of these items so they do not appear?  I 
tried hiding bookmarks but that didn't seem to do anything.

Thanks so much for any assistance.

Marlaina



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RE: New Group in Address Book

2011-01-17 Thread Paul Hunt
Hello Steve. Just make sure that your IPhone is selected in the sources
list. Tab twice and you get a list of tabs to select. Choose the info tab
and then tab over to the scroll area and interact with it. Check all of the
boxes that you want included in the Synchronization. Stop interacting and
synch your IPhone. You only have to do this once.
When adding contacts from your IPhone just remember to get into the right
group. If you forget to do this, no problem you can copy contacts to the
correct group in the address book and synch. Remember that all contacts is a
list of all contacts on your IPhone. Remove a contact from this group and
it's gone from your IPhone.


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Subject: Re: New Group in Address Book

Hello,

I guess I am having a senior moment but I can't seem to find where to
configure what to sync in IToons.  

Thanks
Steve
On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Steve. To rename your group arrow to the new group turn voiceover
off type the new name and turn voiceober on. Put at least one contact in it
then synch your Iphone after making sure that itunes is configured to synch
contacts.
> 
> On Jan 16, 2011, at 8:36 AM, "cougar1...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I created a new group in my address book and now I want to do 2 things
with it.  I want to rename it and I want to have my IPhone see it.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help
>> Steve
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creating groups in apple mail

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
I seem to think this was just recently discussed and so if that is the case, 
please feel free to respond off list.

I want to create a group from several of my contacts whom I must write to 
regularly so that I do not have to type each person's name and can give the 
group a name.  I know how to do this in windows, but have not figured out how 
to do it in apple mail.

Any assistance will be appreciated beyond measure, :)

Marlaina
1guide...@gmail.com

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safari question

2011-01-17 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
Hi all.

When I tab around in Safari or open item chooser, I bump into some stuff that I 
have no idea why it apears each time.  Wow, what a horrid sentence that was, :)

Essentially, what is happening is that I am constantly seeing a few of my 
personally added bookmarks along with a bookmark to apple, wickipedia and 
others.  It is annoying because each time I open item chooser, I have to down 
arrow through these ten or so items.  

I'm sorry I'm asking this question without really knowing how to refer to what 
I want to hide, but how do I get rid of these items so they do not appear?  I 
tried hiding bookmarks but that didn't seem to do anything.

Thanks so much for any assistance.

Marlaina

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microtuning and garageband

2011-01-17 Thread joseph
hi list

does anyone know if microtuning is supported in garageband?

thank you in advance

best

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Re: the acsesability of the latest verssion of adium??

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moore
That bug can still sometimes happen, but the trick is when you look at the 
conversation window, press VO + End and you should hear the last message that 
was sent, and if not Adium might say group, just hit VO and right.  Of course 
if you have growl setup (which I don't) you could configure this to read out 
the messages automatically.
On 17 Jan 2011, at 06:09, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

> Hi,
> Using latest Adium, works great.
> HTH,
> Jeffrey
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, trahern culver wrote:
> 
>> hey all does any one know how acsesabel the latest verssion of adium
>> is? in past versions voice over wouldn't read past the first message
>> in conversation logs is this still the case in the latest verssion?
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>> 
>> kind regards trahern.
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Re: :pages export annoyance

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moore
Text Edit is great for basic stuff, but the word format it supports is really 
only rich text format.  This is fine for being able to read the contents of a 
word document but most formatting will be lost.
On 17 Jan 2011, at 08:13, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Carolyn,
> 
> While it's true that TextEdit saves documents in their original format, it 
> isn't a fully-fledged word processor and you can lose important formatting.
> 
> Headers, for instance, get grouped together at the end of the document, and 
> any styles not supported by TextEdit are lost.
> 
> This is why I can't use TextEdit in my work as a translator. Pages does a 
> very good job of preserving styles and allows me to create quality documents 
> that I export to MS Word format and which meet my customers' requirements.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 05:49, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris and others:
>> I'm curious now.  I just opened a Word attachment.  I then saved it in 
>> documents, where it stayed a "dot doc" file.  I went into documents and 
>> opened it with text edit, made some changes, and then saved it again as a " 
>> word file.  So, I'm not clear what's the issue here?
>> 
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Re: :pages export annoyance

2011-01-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Carolyn,

While it's true that TextEdit saves documents in their original format, it 
isn't a fully-fledged word processor and you can lose important formatting.

Headers, for instance, get grouped together at the end of the document, and any 
styles not supported by TextEdit are lost.

This is why I can't use TextEdit in my work as a translator. Pages does a very 
good job of preserving styles and allows me to create quality documents that I 
export to MS Word format and which meet my customers' requirements.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi Chris and others:
> I'm curious now.  I just opened a Word attachment.  I then saved it in 
> documents, where it stayed a "dot doc" file.  I went into documents and 
> opened it with text edit, made some changes, and then saved it again as a " 
> word file.  So, I'm not clear what's the issue here?
> 

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