Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You too have the same BD? Wow! Happy early BD then! Yeah, we seem to havwe a 
lot of Nov BD's. Mine's the 24th, and my best friend who's also on this list 
is the 20'th. Go figure.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper


I have the same birthday!, but my next iPhone has to wait to next 
payday!


Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Singing Sparrow  
wrote:


Happy Birthday to me, I am going to be getting an Iphone 7Plus Black 256 
gig with in three or four weeks.
Is there anything I should know about the Phone so that i am not surprised 
about it other then no headphone jack?

Also what color of Otterbox defender case should I go with for the phone?

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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Pete Nalda]

I have the same birthday!, but my next iPhone has to wait to next payday!

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Happy Birthday to me, I am going to be getting an Iphone 7Plus Black 256 gig 
> with in three or four weeks.
> Is there anything I should know about the Phone so that i am not surprised 
> about it other then no headphone jack?
> Also what color of Otterbox defender case should I go with for the phone?
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Re: From Moderator Mark, to the List

[Bill Gallik]

Mark,

Personally, I find your reaction to some of the public criticism directed at 
you on this list admirable to say the least! You certainly present a steady, 
non-emotional aspect in moderating this list and for that my sincere respect 
and appreciation!


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Re: From Moderator Mark, to the List

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What did I tell you all? it's a style of moderating which deserves our respect. 
 For someone to say that we are family rather than subscribers must tell you 
all that we all matter to this person as friends as well as subscribers 
regardless of whether we have met or not.  This you will only get from a kind 
of person who has qualities that is rare in a person as normally when something 
happens, you would be removed without explanation.

My thanks to you Mark and my respect to you.

Kawal.
> On 11 Nov 2016, at 21:14, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, it's been quite a week, on-list, to say the least.  
> 
> I am writing to let you all know that Cara and I read virtually every post.
> 
> 
> Now I realize that many of you believe that some topics do not belong on
> this list and that they should be immediately shut down; further if the
> posters continue to contribute to the thread, they should be immediately
> banned from the community.  
> 
> While that is certainly a reasonable point of view, I would ask you to
> consider another point of view, said point being that this list is more than
> just a Mac support community, it is also a place where we share ideas and
> express ourselves to the world.  It's a place where we can be heard.  
> 
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> thread be closed even when it appears to be a bit off-topic.  Having said
> this, we do expect everyone to honor our requests to close a thread when
> such a request has been made.  
> 
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> time-to-time.
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> who strongly disagree with my approach to list management, as being part of
> my family.  This is to say, I think of this community as being composed of
> family members not mere list subscribers.  
> 
> I am always reluctant to ban someone from the list.  For many of us, this
> online community, is our primary social outlet and, realizing this, I choose
> to handle various situations with extreme care and delicacy, when possible.
> 
> 
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> others.  We cannot ban everyone who offends us or who's opinions clash with
> our own.  
> 
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> 
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> is my sister and I want her here, with me.
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> against this community or any of its members.
> 
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> all for we all have a voice and it is important that our voices be haerd.
> 
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> try to keep this in mind, okay?
> 
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> 
> Now, relax, take it easy, and have a wonderful, accessible weekend.
> 
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Re: From Moderator Mark, to the List

[Emrah]

I do not visit this list often enough, but your message is one I read and I 
just wanted to express my profound respect for your words, your way of life, 
and your objectivity in a situation that can be a challenge to manage.
Glad to belong to a community where the moderator and the members are also, in 
a way, coaches to many of us I'm sure.
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, it's been quite a week, on-list, to say the least.  
> 
> I am writing to let you all know that Cara and I read virtually every post.
> 
> 
> Now I realize that many of you believe that some topics do not belong on
> this list and that they should be immediately shut down; further if the
> posters continue to contribute to the thread, they should be immediately
> banned from the community.  
> 
> While that is certainly a reasonable point of view, I would ask you to
> consider another point of view, said point being that this list is more than
> just a Mac support community, it is also a place where we share ideas and
> express ourselves to the world.  It's a place where we can be heard.  
> 
> This is why, for the most part, Cara and I do not immediately request that a
> thread be closed even when it appears to be a bit off-topic.  Having said
> this, we do expect everyone to honor our requests to close a thread when
> such a request has been made.  
> 
> It would appear that some of you do not understand how I, as a moderator,
> choose to view/handle various issues that come up, on-list, from
> time-to-time.
> 
> My view is really quite simple.  I think of all of you, even those of you
> who strongly disagree with my approach to list management, as being part of
> my family.  This is to say, I think of this community as being composed of
> family members not mere list subscribers.  
> 
> I am always reluctant to ban someone from the list.  For many of us, this
> online community, is our primary social outlet and, realizing this, I choose
> to handle various situations with extreme care and delicacy, when possible.
> 
> 
> In any community, virtual or not, we must all learn to get along with
> others.  We cannot ban everyone who offends us or who's opinions clash with
> our own.  
> 
> Does this make sense?  
> 
> More simply stated, I, for example, may not always like my sister but, she
> is my sister and I want her here, with me.
> 
> Those of you, with whom I have communicated, off-list, know that I say what
> I mean and mean what I say and that I do not tolerate threats or ultimatums
> against this community or any of its members.
> 
> Be that as it may, banning any one of you from the list would diminish us
> all for we all have a voice and it is important that our voices be haerd.
> 
> We, all of us in this community, are visually challenged and it is this
> challenge that ties us together in a way that is beyond any untying.  Please
> try to keep this in mind, okay?
> 
> Even though I have not met many of you, in person, please always remember
> that I am listening and that you matter to me.
> 
> Now, relax, take it easy, and have a wonderful, accessible weekend.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
> Moderator Mark
> 
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Wcag 2.0

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi guys:
If anyone is really familiar with web contact accessibility guidelines 2.0. Can 
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Re: From Moderator Mark, to the List

[Robin]

I'm Sorry TrulySorry for MyPart in  the OFF List Discussion 
concerning TheElection

MyBad MyApologies MyBad
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Re: iTunes Duplicates

[Kristeen Hughes]

If you actually have the song in your possession, it is best to delete both  of 
them and then add the file to iTunes again to just get one instance.I have 
tried deleting the download copy, and found it took the local one away as well, 
even though it was still listed; it couldn’t play and gave me the message that 
it couldn’t be located.

Hope this helps.

Kristeen

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
> 
> I am using iTunes 12.53.17 on El Capitan. My iTunes Duplicates shows:
> 
> 1. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2   Local   3:59Pink Floyd  A Foot 
> In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0
> 
> 2. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2   Download3:59Pink Floyd  
> A Foot In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0
> 
> Which duplicate do I delete? Local or Download? Thank you.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon
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From Moderator Mark, to the List

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Well, it's been quite a week, on-list, to say the least.  

I am writing to let you all know that Cara and I read virtually every post.


Now I realize that many of you believe that some topics do not belong on
this list and that they should be immediately shut down; further if the
posters continue to contribute to the thread, they should be immediately
banned from the community.  

While that is certainly a reasonable point of view, I would ask you to
consider another point of view, said point being that this list is more than
just a Mac support community, it is also a place where we share ideas and
express ourselves to the world.  It's a place where we can be heard.  

This is why, for the most part, Cara and I do not immediately request that a
thread be closed even when it appears to be a bit off-topic.  Having said
this, we do expect everyone to honor our requests to close a thread when
such a request has been made.  

It would appear that some of you do not understand how I, as a moderator,
choose to view/handle various issues that come up, on-list, from
time-to-time.

My view is really quite simple.  I think of all of you, even those of you
who strongly disagree with my approach to list management, as being part of
my family.  This is to say, I think of this community as being composed of
family members not mere list subscribers.  

I am always reluctant to ban someone from the list.  For many of us, this
online community, is our primary social outlet and, realizing this, I choose
to handle various situations with extreme care and delicacy, when possible.


In any community, virtual or not, we must all learn to get along with
others.  We cannot ban everyone who offends us or who's opinions clash with
our own.  

Does this make sense?  

More simply stated, I, for example, may not always like my sister but, she
is my sister and I want her here, with me.

Those of you, with whom I have communicated, off-list, know that I say what
I mean and mean what I say and that I do not tolerate threats or ultimatums
against this community or any of its members.

Be that as it may, banning any one of you from the list would diminish us
all for we all have a voice and it is important that our voices be haerd.

We, all of us in this community, are visually challenged and it is this
challenge that ties us together in a way that is beyond any untying.  Please
try to keep this in mind, okay?

Even though I have not met many of you, in person, please always remember
that I am listening and that you matter to me.

Now, relax, take it easy, and have a wonderful, accessible weekend.

Most Sincerely,

Moderator Mark


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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[christopher hallsworth]

Well yes, actually it's the case as of today. Apple has done away with spinning 
drives on all their current macs, according to the Apple Store itself. Oh, 
maybe not on their line of desktops but definitely on their line of laptop and 
notebook computers.


> On 11 Nov 2016, at 04:15, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Good to see now that SSD is the most best - important uppgrade theese days 
> compared to spinning drives. Remember about 8-9 years ago when i uppgraded 
> from spinning to SSD drive on a windows laptop. Fun. Next year every mac have 
> SSD i guess. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 11. nov. 2016 kl. 01.49 skrev Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> :
>> 
>> Would definitely get more SSD space. Then have to decide about ram or 
>> processor upgrade. Want to future proof.
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ram is also important though let’s not sell it short.  More is better if 
>>> you can afford it and it’s usually a pretty small money bump for a good 
>>> performance bump.
>>> 
>>> Apple though is including 8gb minimum now which is a nice step and as 
>>> someone mentioned a good amount for a lot of use cases.  Even more storage 
>>> is good but for me it’s better to have SSD storage and less of it than 
>>> rotating storage and more.  SSD is so fast and such a boost in performance.
>>> 
 On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 I definitely would have gone with more storage over more ram.
> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Cheers for this, it’s interesting reading,
> 
> I’m surprized about the storage size though, I would have gone more but 
> up to the individual
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tree Mabry
> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 3:56 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: 2016 Macbook Pro
> finitely get SSD.
> I ordered the 13 inch, non touch bar model, with the 2.0 processor, 256 
> gigs of storage, and 16 gigs of ram. A few days ago I wrote an extensive 
> post on Apple Vis, about what went into this decision; I have copied and 
> pasted some of that post below; I’m sorry that it’s a bit long. You can 
> read the full post at this link.
> http://www.applevis.com/forum/hardware-accessories/why-i-just-ordered-2016-mac-book-pro-function-keys
> 
> I think that the people who have expressed a desire to stay on top of the 
> latest trends in user interface might be especially interested in my 
> paragraph about Apple’s official touch bar user interface guidelines.
> First let me say that I was pretty open to the idea of the touch bar last 
> week as I watched the Apple event. I felt pretty confident that Apple 
> would make sure that this new interface worked with voice over. In the 
> days after the event I hungrily tried to find any information about how 
> exactly Voice Over accessibility would work with the touch bar. 
> Ironically when I did come across some specifics they both encouraged me, 
> and at the same time helped me decide that I have no interest in the 
> touch bar. The best info I have found so far about Voice Over and the 
> touch bar comes from I accessibility, here is a link to the relevant 
> article.
> http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/10/28/voiceover-at-the-bar/
> The main takeaways are, you can use the number keys as function keys, 
> there are keystrokes for raising and lowering volume, and to interact 
> with sliders on the touch bar you have to double tap and hold, wait for a 
> tone, and then slide your finger. I think the volume keystrokes, and the 
> number keys acting as function keys makes a lot of sense, and I'm really 
> glad Apple is doing things that way. However, as soon as I realized how 
> relieved I was about these changes, I realized the relief was based 
> around me being able to avoid using the touch bar.
> Basically I do not believe that the touch bar is going to make many 
> things more efficient or easier for voice over users. Take the sliders I 
> previously mentioned. I would much rather turn down brightness by simply 
> holding down a key, instead of the three step process voice over users 
> will have to navigate.
> To some up my thoughts about touch bar and accessibility, I believe the 
> experience will be fine, but I do not think it will be better then what 
> we already have.
> I know this post is getting very very long, but I want to now get into 
> the primary reasons I have decided to pass on the touch bar, and they 
> have little to do with voice over Accessibility.
> 1. I do not believe the touch bar 

Re: iTunes Duplicates

[E.T.]

   See if this article helps.



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I am using iTunes 12.53.17 on El Capitan. My iTunes Duplicates shows:

1. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2 Local   3:59Pink Floyd  A Foot 
In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0

2. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2 Download3:59Pink Floyd  
A Foot In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0

Which duplicate do I delete? Local or Download? Thank you.

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iTunes Duplicates

[Angus MacKinnon]

I am using iTunes 12.53.17 on El Capitan. My iTunes Duplicates shows:

1. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2 Local   3:59Pink Floyd  A Foot 
In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0

2. Another Brick In the Wall, Pt. 2 Download3:59Pink Floyd  
A Foot In the Door: The Best of Pink Floyd  Rock0

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Re: Installing SSD

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   Ok sounds about the same as doing a clean install except using 
Recovery Mode. Thanks.


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On 11/11/2016 9:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You recover from recovery mode you can format the drive there and
restore from your time machine backup in the same place.


On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:57 AM, E.T. > wrote:

  Next step is to restore from Time Machine once the SSD is installed.
What do I want to boot into, Recovery Mode? So I can format the drive
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Re: Installing SSD

[Scott Granados]

You recover from recovery mode you can format the drive there and restore from 
your time machine backup in the same place.

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:57 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Next step is to restore from Time Machine once the SSD is installed. What 
> do I want to boot into, Recovery Mode? So I can format the drive from DU,
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Re: Installing SSD

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   Next step is to restore from Time Machine once the SSD is installed. 
What do I want to boot into, Recovery Mode? So I can format the drive 
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Re: Installing SSD

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THere’s always bleach bit.  ;)

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Dan D.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Diskutil has different secure erase choices, A reformat is the fastest. . 
> Others involve over writting the entire disk with random info. which takes 
> longer.
> 
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>   Maybe what I will do is rename this drive with (_ ___) then
>> beat it to pieces. (smiles)
>> 
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>> On 11/10/2016 6:26 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> E.T. another thing people do is use a magnet to erase them.  I believe they 
>>> call them degausser or something I may have the spelling wrong.  Basically, 
>>> you move the drive in a figure 8 pattern over the surface and it scrambles 
>>> everything on the disk.  You could also go the hammer method or just take a 
>>> screw driver and open up the drive and pull out the platter.  Once you 
>>> touch the platter you?ll ruin everything on the surface and you can feel 
>>> how a hard drive works to boot.  It actually is a pretty cool process.  I 
>>> have a friend who converted one in to a door bell.
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:55 PM, E.T. > wrote:
 
  Oh. a USB enclosure huh. Might be something to look into though I have 
 enough hardware laying around to keep track of.
 
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> Hi, Sorry about that! Usually people erase the old drive with disc
> utility and put it in a usb enclosure to use as a back up drive.
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 11/10/16, E.T.  > wrote:
>>   I am talking about the existing internal drive. I am more curious
>> what others do with the old drive as I am sure mine will fall into a
>> hiding spot to be forgotten. So think it best to secure erase it first
>> and know how long it might take.
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>> On 11/10/2016 1:28 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>> Hi, Usually you format the new SSD using disc utility. Then cloan your
>>> existing drive onto the SSD.
>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/10/16, E.T. >> > wrote:
   When I get an SSD to replace the standard hard drive. is it wise to
 erase the drive first and would a secure erase of a 750g drive take
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Re: Installing SSD

[Dan D.]

Diskutil has different secure erase choices, A reformat is the fastest. . 
Others involve over writting the entire disk with random info. which takes 
longer.


On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, E.T. wrote:


   Maybe what I will do is rename this drive with (_ ___) then
beat it to pieces. (smiles)

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On 11/10/2016 6:26 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

E.T. another thing people do is use a magnet to erase them.  I believe they 
call them degausser or something I may have the spelling wrong.  Basically, you 
move the drive in a figure 8 pattern over the surface and it scrambles 
everything on the disk.  You could also go the hammer method or just take a 
screw driver and open up the drive and pull out the platter.  Once you touch 
the platter you?ll ruin everything on the surface and you can feel how a hard 
drive works to boot.  It actually is a pretty cool process.  I have a friend 
who converted one in to a door bell.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:55 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Oh. a USB enclosure huh. Might be something to look into though I have enough 
hardware laying around to keep track of.

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On 11/10/2016 1:52 PM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi, Sorry about that! Usually people erase the old drive with disc
utility and put it in a usb enclosure to use as a back up drive.
Jeff


On 11/10/16, E.T.  wrote:

   I am talking about the existing internal drive. I am more curious
what others do with the old drive as I am sure mine will fall into a
hiding spot to be forgotten. So think it best to secure erase it first
and know how long it might take.

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On 11/10/2016 1:28 PM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi, Usually you format the new SSD using disc utility. Then cloan your
existing drive onto the SSD.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 11/10/16, E.T.  wrote:

   When I get an SSD to replace the standard hard drive. is it wise to
erase the drive first and would a secure erase of a 750g drive take
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Re: Global Warming

[Dan D.]

They don't  output carbon inherently.  Carbon sources are almost all 
living or fozzel past living sources.  They do output other material that 
do have an effect, in particular blocking of sunlight.  And to the question 
in particular, yes such things are well known and plugged into prediction 
models.


A theory is not unproven facts, the germ theory of disease is an example.

A theory is an explanitory model that accounts for a large amount of facts.

It is not a hypothesis which is what you are suggesting.

On Thu, 10 Nov 
2016, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:



Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at the proper 
temperature! ;)
Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:


Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere cause the planet 
to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of physics and can be tested 
experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".

Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas into 
our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the earth's 
crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists the top 
oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million barrels per 
day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every 
day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much effect 
the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, often 
called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can predict 
things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have indeed put 
enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.

Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being caused by human 
activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called "fuzzy thinking".  It's 
akin to a person defending themselves in court by saying the police can't prove that the 
guy he shot didn't just happen to drop dead from some other reason right before the 
bullet hit him.  It is not my job to disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. 
The 3 facts  I gave above prove that global warming is being caused by humans. Where is 
the flaw?




On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Scott,
Your absolutely 100% correct again!
Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global 
warming"  out of the water!
How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption?
Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some more light 
on this but at this point the only thing that would keep this on topic is that She 
uses a Mac book pro! LOL
Talk soon
Chuck

On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:


Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn?t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he?s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I?ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they 
vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. If you ever thought global 
warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever 
hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you ever believed scientists were deliberately 
making it up, then you should never again be allowed to vote. Well, maybe that 
is a bit harsh. You should have to prove you have learned your lesson though.




On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

One thing  I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they
recognize that those who choose not to participate 

Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I just don’t want to put a lot of money in to it.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Most SSD's should work.  I like the Crucial ones myself, but there's lots out 
> there that will do the job.  You'll need to take into account the size of 
> your current HD and decide if you want the same size, smaller or bigger.  It 
> all depends on your usage.  It will likely be a matter of cost for you, but 
> the 512 GB ones would likely do the job.  On my machine, I took out the 
> optical drive, installed my 7200 RPM 750 GB drive into that location and 
> installed the SSD into where the HD normally resides.  With this 
> configuration, I only needed to purchase a 256 GB SSD as I created a Fusion 
> array between the old HD and new SSD, giving me a 1 TB Fusion Drive Lots of 
> storage and very quick.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:53, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> So Sierra shouldn’t affect voiceover on such an old unit? 
> I’m going to have to buy the SSD and battery on my own. How do I pick which 
> SSD to purchase? If I can get more years out of this Mac then I’ll be happy. 
> When finances change, then I’ll upgrade.
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB 
>> RAM, that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 
>> 2012 MBP's lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With 
>> respect to installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It 
>> will add some features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It 
>> certainly shouldn't hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the 
>> installation of the SSD and with 8 GB of RAM on board.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
>> have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
>> replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
>> drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
>> processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
>> machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, 
>> but I really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
>> Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 
>> alltogetehr to put in SD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.
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Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?

[Scott Granados]

Sandy, one point, not quite virtual box but with the latest version of fusion 
windows 10 installs perfectly with out the need of assistance.  You can use the 
setup wizard, enter in your product key and user specifics, wait a minute or 
two and boom you’re up and running with windows where you can start narrator 
and install what ever you wish.  It’s a pretty clean and simple solution.

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Simon, how easy was virtual box  and installing windows your self?
> have always wanted to try that .
> 
> On 11/10/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Late in on this one,
>> 
>> All my mac computers have windows installed on them.
>> 
>> My mac book air 2013 has a boot camp install of windows 10 enterprise,
>> My iMac at work is bootcamped with windows 7 pro, and my work mac mini is
>> running a virtual box image of windows 10 pro and another of windows 7 pro,
>> 
>>  Either option is working great but I use the MBA more for windows 10
>> personal use.
>> And tend to have less issues with things than windows computer users ssuch
>> as HP & DELL.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 7:18 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?
>> 
>> I think this is definitely on topic since we’re dealing with using a Mac to
>> run windows.
>> 
>> I would whole heartedly support your use of windows on a Mac.  I would
>> suggest going with the VM Fusion solution though.  It’s possible for a blind
>> person to independently install windows easier under fusion than boot camp.
>> I’m sure that some will have a good way to independently install under
>> bootcamp but the automatic installation wizard under VM Fusion which now
>> works under windows 10 as well is fantastic.  You also have the full
>> capabilities of the Mac available while you also enjoy the windows
>> environment.  You also have the ability to have smooth access between both
>> platforms.
>> 
>> Just my $.02
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, hope this style of thread is okay for a mac list.
>>> 
>>> I have been a Mac user for 5 years now, and I’m way behind in the windows
>>> world.  I want to jump back in and freshen up my windows skills.  I’ve
>>> always kind of liked the concept of the Mac Mini.  Would it make a good
>>> mid priced Windows solution?  It is frustrating shopping for a Windows
>>> machine hovering around the $600 range.  They all get such mediocre
>>> reviews.  So, I got to thinking…  Maybe a Mac Mini!  Of course, one huge
>>> drawback to this is I am not sure how challenging it is to successfully
>>> install Windows and keep it up to date.  I’m partial to the bootcamp
>>> method of running the two systems.
>>> 
>>> What are your thoughts and guidance.  If this topic goes too far into the
>>> Windows world, I welcome off list replies.  :)  I really need some Windows
>>> shopping advice but do not belong to a Windows list or general accessible
>>> tech list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
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Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Simon, how easy was virtual box  and installing windows your self?
have always wanted to try that .

On 11/10/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Late in on this one,
>
>  All my mac computers have windows installed on them.
>
>  My mac book air 2013 has a boot camp install of windows 10 enterprise,
>  My iMac at work is bootcamped with windows 7 pro, and my work mac mini is
> running a virtual box image of windows 10 pro and another of windows 7 pro,
>
>   Either option is working great but I use the MBA more for windows 10
> personal use.
> And tend to have less issues with things than windows computer users ssuch
> as HP & DELL.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 7:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?
>
> I think this is definitely on topic since we’re dealing with using a Mac to
> run windows.
>
> I would whole heartedly support your use of windows on a Mac.  I would
> suggest going with the VM Fusion solution though.  It’s possible for a blind
> person to independently install windows easier under fusion than boot camp.
> I’m sure that some will have a good way to independently install under
> bootcamp but the automatic installation wizard under VM Fusion which now
> works under windows 10 as well is fantastic.  You also have the full
> capabilities of the Mac available while you also enjoy the windows
> environment.  You also have the ability to have smooth access between both
> platforms.
>
> Just my $.02
>
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, hope this style of thread is okay for a mac list.
>>
>> I have been a Mac user for 5 years now, and I’m way behind in the windows
>> world.  I want to jump back in and freshen up my windows skills.  I’ve
>> always kind of liked the concept of the Mac Mini.  Would it make a good
>> mid priced Windows solution?  It is frustrating shopping for a Windows
>> machine hovering around the $600 range.  They all get such mediocre
>> reviews.  So, I got to thinking…  Maybe a Mac Mini!  Of course, one huge
>> drawback to this is I am not sure how challenging it is to successfully
>> install Windows and keep it up to date.  I’m partial to the bootcamp
>> method of running the two systems.
>>
>> What are your thoughts and guidance.  If this topic goes too far into the
>> Windows world, I welcome off list replies.  :)  I really need some Windows
>> shopping advice but do not belong to a Windows list or general accessible
>> tech list.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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RE: Betternet VPN

[Simon Fogarty]

Shawn, Have a look at vpn Express 
It's free for a 7 day trial and then pretty cheap per month, Same sort of 
principl where you can have app on IOS device or notebook etc 

 I've been looking at it for a couple of weeks 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 5:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Betternet VPN

Hey Chris. When you first get it in the app store it's free. But in order to 
use a US VPN server, I had to pay $7 Canadian and that's a monthly subscription.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> 
> I'm actually more familiar with a service called "Hide my Ass," but that 
> being said, I'm curious. Is there any cost for this app?
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Cc: "'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:53 PM
> Subject: Betternet VPN
> 
> 
> Hi guys. So tonight I was being adventurous and I downloaded an app called 
> Betternet which is a VPN service. I wanted to explore the American 
> iHeartRadio app because I heard that you can do more things with it that it 
> has to offer that the Canadian app doesn't have such as making your own radio 
> station and so on. So I'm now connected to a US VPN server but I have a few 
> questions. Does anyone know how much cell data will be used if I choose to 
> use it out and about? If it uses a lot, where can I change which apps use 
> data? I went into cellular data in settings and I didn't see it in the list 
> of apps that use cell data. Any help would be appreciated. I'm writing to 
> both lists because I don't know if one or the other knows too much about 
> VPN's. Thanks.
> 
> Shawn
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new Moderator Note thought

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

Mark and Cara,

My apologies to you as Mods for this but I have to say it.

I don't mind a bit of banter on an email list every once and a while, this 
political thread went on for a few days and  Mark has requested it stopped.
Thanks for that by the way.

Yet we get one dick head who thinks his way is the best and screw the rest of 
us.

This group is one of the best I'v ebeen on for Mac related information and 
assistance.
We have a lot of very talented Mac users posting here.

Now I don't normally lose my cool and it takes a bit to P me off in most 
situations
But for the sake of sanity can you pillocks can this crap, it's gone way over 
the top!


I could put it in a more specific form of Kiwi language but there are Ladies 
present!

But again can you shut this crap down and get on with the real world questions 
and answers.

Cheers,


Simon F

PS. First to reply is an 69Wit!

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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Scott,

I must respectfully disagree with the minorities not quaking in fear. And I 
preface my point with this. Earlier in the thread, you mentioned putting your 
ear to the street/, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going 
to happen. In short, your saying media and polls got it wrong but, if you 
looked around you, the writing was on the wall for a Trump win. Then you 
followed that up by using the same pulling stats you said weren’t a good 
predictor of actual attitudes. So I’m just curious, how many minorities 
especially those who have immigrated to the U.S. do you live among, and listen 
to? I ask because, the U.S. is extremely segregated in regards to where we 
live. If your on this list and your Black, chances are most of your neighbors 
are the same. If your White, same applies. I happen to be Black, and a person 
who came to the U.S. from another country at a young age. But in saying that, I 
have lived, and live around many who fit that same description and their 
families. And at least looking around me, the demographic your mentioning, they 
are definitely quaking in fear. From naturalized citizens and legal residence  
wondering if they can somehow have the carpet pulled from under them and get 
deported to, some wondering if they will be thrown in jail because they were at 
a BLM protest, and they might be labeled as terrorists.
I won’t comment if I think their anxiety is just. I will just say its real 
among many ..

As far as the racial component, I think it played a factor for sure. Most 
things in the U.S. does. I think its just that for many Whites, its a non 
factor in their daily lives so, their is no skin in the game when it comes to 
racism. Its purely academic for most. Its like blind people trying to explain 
to sighted people how hard it is for a person who’s blind to find work fitting 
their skill set an education. They might agree with you, recognize the problem, 
make all the right noises but, since it doesn’t directly affect them, they are 
more likely to undervalue the impact it has on a blind person’s life, and 
outlook on life for that matter. Further more, since that person isn’t directly 
responsible for that discrimination, they take solace in that, and sorta look 
away from the issue. But in reality, they are the only people who can truly fix 
the issue. So to complete the comparison, Unless enough sighted people decided 
that fair and equal treatment in the work place is a high priority, there is 
little a blind person can do to change their lot collectively. Same with 
racism. So for example, if you are white, acknowledge racism, find it to be 
terrible, but downplay the affect that has on the every day life of a person of 
color, racism will persist. And there is little a person of color can do. Its 
up the the majority, either sighted/able bodied, or white to treat the issue as 
if it affected them personally because, it takes a change in attitude more than 
laws. Like your Uncle marching with Dr. King. Think about that for a second.  
civil rights movement, it could have never happened without White people with 
the courage and conviction to physically participate in the righting of a 
wrong. And hence more validating to other White people that the problem was 
real.

I’ll tell you what Scott, I was in Manhattan a while back, hanging out with 
some friends. Heading home, I asked one of my white friends to hail a cab for 
me. He thought I was nuts. So we did an experiment. I had a Black friend of 
mine try. No cabs stopped. he was at it for 15 minutes. White friend tried? Cab 
in 30 seconds. And for my White friend, that was the first up close and 
personal view of how race is a factor for people of color every single day of 
our lives if we know it or not. 

Just my 2 cents. :)


> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I don’t buy the minorities quaking in fear.  Trump received 29% of the latino 
> vote, that’s more than 1 in 4 although if you view the media you’d think it 
> was sub 1%.  Trump also increased the votes received by the African American 
> community.  It was still small but it was a larger percentage than any 
> republican previously.
> 
> I also don’t agree with your whites not voting for democrats.  Whites in 
> majority voted for president Obama after all and that’s just recent history.  
> You’ve had whites involved in the civil rights effort in large numbers for 
> years although that’s not discussed as much.  Hell my own Uncle marched on 
> Washington with Dr. King. I don’t buy the racial argument.  Are there racists 
> sure are the majority, no I don’t by that.  Maybe as you said though, my 
> world view is overly shaped by the people closest to me which do not buy in 
> to the racial argument.
> 
> I would highly encourage us to move this over to the off topic list though.  
> We’ve filled the inboxes of folks only interested in Macs and Devices a lot 
> today and that’s 

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Simon Fogarty]

Thank god for the delete option on keyboards and email in boxes!



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of gs
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

Increment the count. It took a while for me to respond at all. Now I'll respond 
to any of them. You've done so yourself. The point is that this list is not 
being run correctly and I would usually honor the owner/moderator requests to 
leave these posts off the lists. I'm tired of it. If I am removed then so be 
it. If this is what it takes to get some attention than I'll endure the 
consequences. BTW: this is the last response to the list. I feel that by this 
time I have made the point if it is to be made.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Todor Fassl 
> wrote:

By my count, this is at least your fourth message about the off-topic messages 
on this list. Seems a tad ironic to me. Bet you respond publically to this one 
too.



On 11/10/2016 04:48 PM, gs wrote:

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by it 
or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple statements 
of facts.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
list. Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve around 
lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry but I 
won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his duties 
seriously on this list.

On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs 
> wrote:

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to with 
50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase in 
productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge that 
will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product.

In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some individuals, 
some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would have otherwise 
missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the thread.

Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to be 
fulfilled on this list at this point.

There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
myself.

Send request to 
macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org
 with subscribe in the subject.

If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson 
> wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And as 
far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. There 
are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very relevant.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
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Telephone
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Twitter
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FaceTime/iMessage
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs 
> wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list management. 
Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The owner shows up 
every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the running of the 
list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. Just run the thing 
correctly. It's not too much to ask.


It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson 
> wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. You 
can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk like 
this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Simon Fogarty]

Tim and Kawal 

 Thanks for saying what I've been wanting to 

 Now can we can the crap and get on with the world of apples 

 Mark, Our apologies for this, some people can't pull their heads out of their 
O's to see what great work some people do out of the goodness of their hearts 
and time.
 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of gs
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by it 
or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple statements 
of facts.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve around 
lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry but I 
won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his duties 
seriously on this list.
> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs  wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
> value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to 
> with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
> opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase 
> in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge 
> that will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product. 
> 
> In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
> individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would 
> have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the 
> thread.
> 
> Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to 
> be fulfilled on this list at this point. 
> 
> There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
> myself.
> 
> Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
> subject.
> 
> If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
> as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
> There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
> relevant.
> Joseph Hudson
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.
> ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruisi
> ng.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruisin
> g.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
>> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the 
>> running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. 
>> Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>> 
>> 
>> It's pathetic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
>> You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk 
>> like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Group administrator for the following groups chat 
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising
>> .ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruis
>> ing.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruisi
>> ng.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> 

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Simon Fogarty]

Can I just ask here that we abide by Marks request and can this stuff!?

As for yor comments GS, if you don’t have the time, then can the abuse of good 
people!

Time is what you are taking up with these ignorant posttings

Oh and before you start replying to the list with abuse to me for this post,
Take it off list and send it to my personal address: 
g...@fogarty.net.nz



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of gs
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to with 
50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase in 
productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge that 
will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product.

In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some individuals, 
some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would have otherwise 
missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the thread.

Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to be 
fulfilled on this list at this point.

There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
myself.

Send request to 
macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org
 with subscribe in the subject.

If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson 
> wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And as 
far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. There 
are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very relevant.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs 
> wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list management. 
Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The owner shows up 
every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the running of the 
list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. Just run the thing 
correctly. It's not too much to ask.


It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson 
> wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. You 
can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk like 
this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs 
> wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl 
> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addressed before and you need to remove 

RE: Installing SSD

[Simon Fogarty]

ET,

 Most of mine I've either put into one of my windows servers or put in to an 
external drive case and used it as an external USB 3 storage device as backup 
etc.

 That way you get more benefits for same cost.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 10:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing SSD

I am talking about the existing internal drive. I am more curious what 
others do with the old drive as I am sure mine will fall into a hiding spot to 
be forgotten. So think it best to secure erase it first and know how long it 
might take.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/10/2016 1:28 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi, Usually you format the new SSD using disc utility. Then cloan your 
> existing drive onto the SSD.
> Hope this helps! Jeff
>
>
> On 11/10/16, E.T.  wrote:
>> When I get an SSD to replace the standard hard drive. is it wise 
>> to erase the drive first and would a secure erase of a 750g drive 
>> take days? (smiles)
>>
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RE: Installing SSD

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 I'd use the 750 gig to restore the ssd when you put it in to the machine,
 As for secure wipe yeah nothing wrong with that and I'd be more inclined to 
say overnight if you did a 3 stage wipe, probably best part of the day to do 
the 7.

Three should be all you need.

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Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 10:25 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Installing SSD

When I get an SSD to replace the standard hard drive. is it wise to erase 
the drive first and would a secure erase of a 750g drive take days? (smiles)

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RE: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey folks,

 I know this is big news in the USA but it's happened and your stuck with the 
Don now for another 4 years, that's 48 months, 
But this is meant to be a list for apple related computer / device issues etc.

 Could we put the political chat to bed.

 I do as a non American feel for you all but you've made your bed, so either 
lye in it or move to another hotel!

But lets get back on track here. It's getting over the top.

Cheers,


Simon F


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 4:39 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

Well I wasn’t making a political claim based on party.  I fully agree, everyone 
was wrong.  It’s like Brexit, the Elite media and ruling classes completely 
missed the boat.  I totally agree that no one of us has a monopoly on any sort 
of knowledge at all but I do think you can glean a lot by putting your ear to 
the ground or just paying attention.  Maybe that only gives you a picture of 
the most narrow window but I think it’s something people miss.  I called ahead 
of time Brexit and made money on it as a result, same with Trump’s victory.  
Also remember to folks thinking I’m being political I didn’t vote for either 
and didn’t support either candidate.

So Janinia, you raise extremely valid points and well presented but I’m just 
not sure the polling is worth the paper it’s printed on.  Note the discussions 
recently on the total rejection of polling in the trading community.

You’ve given me a lot to think about though.
 


> On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:24 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I must disagree, Scott.
> 
> No one of us hears enough "actual people" to know much of anything. We 
> know our own circle of contacts, that's about it. It's a very big 
> country. I warrant I don't know much about the actual people in 
> Boulder, Colorado or Portland, Oregon. Heck, I don't even know much 
> about the actual people in Frederick, Maryland, and that's just up the 
> road from me a piece.
> 
> 
> There are those among us, however, for whom this kind if knowledge is 
> a specialty. Good politicians know these things, as do good political 
> reporters.
> 
> We get a glimpse into the level of this knowledge rarely on TV, but we 
> do get it as results pour in of an election eve. Think of the guy 
> talking about so many votes from this county, and then talking about 
> how many votes are possibly left in that other county that hasn't yet 
> reported. Then they say "Obama go so many in 2012, and Romney so many, 
> so there might be as much as XX votes still available from there, and 
> those people tend to vote blank party." That's knowledge. They can 
> talk this stuff like we talk networking and cell technology here, off 
> the top of their heads with an occasional check of some fact or other.
> 
> The rest is turnout. Trump won because more of his people voted. 
> That's the bottom line. Clinton underperformed Obama 2012 by 6 million 
> votes, and underperformed Obama 2008 by 10 million votes. Meanwhile, 
> Trump underperformed Romney by only a million (or so).
> 
> Wisconsin went to Trump because too many Democrats in and around 
> Milwaukee stayed home. Ditto for Philadelphia, even though the 
> Philadelphia Democratic machine got the turnout far closer to 2012 
> levels than was the norm across the nation.
> 
> So, what did polling get wrong? Levels of turnout appears to be the 
> answer, boiled down to the fundamentals. And, that's always a guessing 
> game in advance of the actual event. That's why sites like five thirty 
> eight dot com provides confidence percentages. And, whether the 
> confidence level is 70%, or 80%, there's still the balance to make up 
> 100% because there is the builtin acknowledgement that "we could be 
> wrong."
> 
> Nor should we blame media, or liberal bias. The RNC also had it wrong, 
> and the Trump people themselves were expecting to lose early in the 
> evening.
> 
> 
> To my mind this election is an illustration of the old "you can lead a 
> horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink" adage. The best 
> get out the vote organization still can't make people actually vote, 
> though the Philadelphia Democratic machine does illustrate how a 
> really good machine can get you close. Note that the Philadelphia 
> machine is well organized all the way down to the ward and precinct level.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over 
>> again.  If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no 
>> way, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen.
>> 
>> Polling is dead.  There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic 
>> reason for it as well.  Apple and