date:20161215

   I had to work through the process myself because I haven't installed 
scripts in a long long time. I keep a pile of notes and had to search 
for this one. Glad you got it working.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "Lord, Help me become the person
  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/15/2016 9:16 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Lol no, good man, sounds like that would be the problem heh.

I’m so fried from Interviewing, been on this marathon deal I didn’t
think of that.

Thank you

On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:46 PM, E.T. > wrote:

Scott,
  Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "Lord, Help me become the person
 my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted. When I
press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
password when pasting and when changing the extension. Any other ideas
for something to check?

Thank you
Scott

On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
> wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
would.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
>
To: 
>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released

Has the problems with mail been fixed?

Junior Lolley kg4itd
Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
>
wrote:

I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Worked like a champ, thank you!

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:46 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted.  When I
>> press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
>> enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
>> extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
>> password when pasting and when changing the extension.  Any other ideas
>> for something to check?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
>>> the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
>>> last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
>>> have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
>>> library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
>>> To use it, simply press right option+B.
>>> As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
>>> messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
>>> emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 I didn't know of mail issues ether,
 
 I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
 As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
 Christopher-Mark Gilland
 Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
 to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
 would.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" >
 To: >
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
 Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 
 Has the problems with mail been fixed?
 
 
 
 Junior Lolley kg4itd
 Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
 "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a
 choice to
 take a chance or your life will never change."
 Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
> >
> wrote:
> 
> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
> release.
> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
> have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
> 
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Lol no, good man, sounds like that would be the problem heh.

I’m so fried from Interviewing, been on this marathon deal I didn’t think of 
that.

Thank you

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:46 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted. When I
>> press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
>> enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
>> extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
>> password when pasting and when changing the extension. Any other ideas
>> for something to check?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
>>> the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
>>> last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
>>> have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
>>> library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
>>> To use it, simply press right option+B.
>>> As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
>>> messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
>>> emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> >> >
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 >> wrote:
 
 I didn't know of mail issues ether,
 
 I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
 As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 >
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of
 Christopher-Mark Gilland
 Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 >
 Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
 to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
 would.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
 >>
 To: 
 >>
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
 Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 
 Has the problems with mail been fixed?
 
 
 
 Junior Lolley kg4itd
 Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
 "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a
 choice to
 take a chance or your life will never change."
 Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 >
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 >
 Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
 
 Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
>

Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

2016-12-15 Thread Gabe Griffith

As always, thanks again for the information. Gabe


Sent from Gabe's iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In TextEdit, select all the text in your document, press cmd-t to bring up 
> the Font dialog, then navigate to the size field and enter 12, or whatever 
> size you prefer.  Note that you may wish to change the font as well so that 
> the document has the same font throughout.  Size 12 in Aerial is different 
> looking than size 12 in Times.  Also note that only attributes that are 
> changed will affect what's selected.  So, if you don't change the size 
> number, then none of the font sizes will be changed.
> 
> One other note, as David has mentioned, it's Google Drive that you're likely 
> wanting, not Google Docs.  Google Drive allows you to use whatever document 
> type you wish, whereas a Google Doc is a specific document type itself.  It 
> is a web-based document only editable within a browser.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 23:10, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
> my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way 
> of sharing a document from the mac to docs? 
> 
> Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
> worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
> make everything a uniform size?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't 
>> want to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at 
>> your hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
>> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
>> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so 
>>> everything would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To 
>>> make it all uniform you will want to open the font
>>> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
>>> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
>>> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, 
>>> italics, etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably 
>>> a way to get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing 
>>> Word with me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or 
>>> Text Edit for that matter.
>>> 
>>> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith  
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me 
>>> > from many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
>>> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size 
>>> > uniform. This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a 
>>> > VO user I haven't ever really paid attention to that.
>>> >
>>> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
>>> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
>>> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
>>> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
>>> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
>>> > differently?
>>> >
>>> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to 
>>> > a couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
>>> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
>>> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could 
>>> > copy all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an 
>>> > email? I have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the 
>>> > text from the document.
>>> >
>>> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
>>> > running iOS 10.2.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for any suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Gabe
>>> >
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icloud want let me sign in

2016-12-15 Thread Robert Cole

Hi,
After not using my MacBook and iPod for a while, iCloud asked me to enter my 
password.
after doing so, i received a code on my iPhone saying to enter my password 
followed by this code in the password field.
Here is where I need help.
I entered my password and the code with no space,
I even tried entering the password then a space and then the code.
last, I just entered the code , but it says invalid password and gives me the 
option to reset my password and I don’t want to do that.
This happened on my MacBook and my iPod.
Please help.
thanks,
rob

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Re: Key Features of GoodSync

2016-12-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

The only manual way I know of syncing files on a UNIX like System such as the 
Macintosh is r sync Note the actual command is "rsync", but I believe most 
screen readers will have problems with that word, so I split the word on the 
previous sentence. 
Below are a couple examples of operation and of course there is a man page on 
your Macintosh.

p

   This would recursively transfer all files from the directory src/bar on  
the  machine  foo  into  the
   /data/tmp/bar  directory  on  the  local  machine. The files are 
transferred in "archive" mode, which
   ensures that symbolic links, devices, attributes, permissions, 
ownerships, etc. are preserved in  the
   transfer.   Additionally,  compression will be used to reduce the size 
of data portions of the trans-fer. transfer.
   fer.

  rsync -avz foo:src/bar/ /data/tmp

   A trailing slash on the source changes this behavior to avoid creating 
an additional directory  level
   at  the destination.  You can think of a trailing / on a source as 
meaning "copy the contents of this
   directory" as opposed to "copy the directory by name", but in both cases 
the attributes of  the  con-taining containing
   taining  directory  are  transferred to the containing directory on the 
destination.  In other words,
   each of the following commands copies the files in the same  way,  
including  their  setting  of  the
   attributes of /dest/foo:

  rsync -av /src/foo /dest
  rsync -av /src/foo/ /dest/foo

   Note  also that host and module references don't require a trailing 
slash to copy the contents of the
   default directory.  For example, both of these copy the remote 
directory's contents into "/dest":

  rsync -av host: /dest
  rsync -av host::module /dest

   You can also use rsync in local-only mode, where both the source and 
destination don't have a ':'  in
   the name. In this case it behaves like an improved copy command.

   Finally,  you can list all the (listable) modules available from a 
particular rsync daemon by leaving
   off the module name:

  rsync somehost.mydomain.com::

Best wishes,

Jonathan

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 2 questions here…
> 
> Have you heard of this program?  GoodSync?
>> https://www.goodsync.com/features 
> 
> 
> Secondly, a while back we talked a little bit about manually syncing specific 
> folders, but I cannot remember the name.  It had to do with typing in a 
> string of commands.  :)  Anyone might know what I’m trying to remember?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

2016-12-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Actually, though I have not yet installed the update, there is a good chance 
you could set a hot spot on the power dialog and then use VO-Command-HotSpot to 
check the battery level and stay in your current application.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That's exactly what I plan to do for the time being.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Open the Energy preferences and leave focus on the battery charge item 
>> which reads in percentage. Just switch windows now and then to check it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/15/2016 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  
>>> But no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm 
>>> paying attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into 
>>> applications, then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then 
>>> bring up the item chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too 
>>> many steps for something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to 
>>> accessibility, information such as battery level should be available to me 
>>> with the same ease that it is available to a sighted user.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
 available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
 fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
 through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
 using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy 
 cursor mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t 
 focus correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows side. 
  I would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact is 
 there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
 
 Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
 have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility 
 company.  I rest my case.
 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be 
> a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
> that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
> This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
> last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  
> So, I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this 
> decision by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and 
> leaves me with a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have 
> access to AC.
> 
> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot 
> point.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
>> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
>> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to 
>> do is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for 
>> when the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does 
>> announce things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's 
>> absent when on battery power.
>> 
>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because 
>> of this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go 
>> that direction.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being 
>> done in that area.
>> 
>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
>> yet.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple 
>>> accessibility re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do 
>>> the same. If there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there 
>>> also needs to be an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but

Re: OSX 10.12.2 released


Scott,
   Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?

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On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted.  When I
press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
password when pasting and when changing the extension.  Any other ideas
for something to check?

Thank you
Scott



On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 


On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
would.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" >
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Has the problems with mail been fixed?



Junior Lolley kg4itd
Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
"The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a
choice to
take a chance or your life will never change."
Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
>
wrote:

I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted.  When I press right 
option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander enabled and right 
option T works for example.  I also tried changing the extension from .scpt to 
.applescript with no success.  I entered my password when pasting and when 
changing the extension.  Any other ideas for something to check?

Thank you
Scott


> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste the 
> dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this last night but 
> I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To have it run, simply go 
> to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to library than scripts. Find the 
> Voiceover folder then paste the script. To use it, simply press right 
> option+B.
> As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your messages or 
> are you pressing return? I press return when reading emails and this doesn't 
> happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0 
> 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know of mail issues ether,
>> 
>> I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac, 
>> As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
>> work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" > >
>> To: > >
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> 
>> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
>> take a chance or your life will never change."
>> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados >> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
>>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
>>> have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
>>> 
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Thanks.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

  Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste the 
dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this last night but I 
was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To have it run, simply go to 
your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to library than scripts. Find the 
Voiceover folder then paste the script. To use it, simply press right option+B.
  As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your messages or 
are you pressing return? I press return when reading emails and this doesn't 
happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac, 
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released

Has the problems with mail been fixed?

Junior Lolley kg4itd
Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
"The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice 
to 
take a chance or your life will never change."
Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

  On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
  wrote:

  I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public 
release. 
  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
  have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: Is development for OS Over?

I have to say I’m very very happy with my 2015 mid model as well.  I bought 
high on the product line but I don’t feel compelled to head out and grab a 2016 
model although I do want to try one from a curiosity angle.  I do have plenty 
of horsepower though and can run a dozen or more virtual machines at a time.  
What more could a geeky engineer ask for?

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> There will be a new line of iMacs coming out sometime next year.  They 
> delayed them, cause they need to find a way to put the touch bar on the 
> keyboard that ships with it.  Personally, nothing exciting has changed since 
> mavericks, but they foot print is getting smaller, just glad updates are 
> free, based on the lack of changes we have seen.  From what the reviews and 
> reports say about the 2016 MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on 
> those too.
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Just a question for you all.
>> 
>> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering 
>> is development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used 
>> the Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and 
>> Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out 
>> new lap tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if 
>> Apple are finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got 
>> rid of their mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that 
>> Apple should want to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing 
>> still since the talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology 
>> is going.  I want something new to excite me as I use to get excited over 
>> new technology but these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an 
>> new I phone will grip a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next 
>> to make us so crazy.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Sean, this is a great help, thank you and this makes it even easier than the 
voice over menu option.

Big thanks from my little part of the world here.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste the 
> dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this last night but 
> I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To have it run, simply go 
> to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to library than scripts. Find the 
> Voiceover folder then paste the script. To use it, simply press right 
> option+B.
> As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your messages or 
> are you pressing return? I press return when reading emails and this doesn't 
> happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0 
> 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know of mail issues ether,
>> 
>> I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac, 
>> As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
>> work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" > >
>> To: > >
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> 
>> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
>> take a chance or your life will never change."
>> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados >> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
>>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
>>> have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
>>> 
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste the 
dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this last night but I 
was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To have it run, simply go to 
your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to library than scripts. Find the 
Voiceover folder then paste the script. To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your messages or are 
you pressing return? I press return when reading emails and this doesn't happen 
to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0 


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know of mail issues ether,
> 
> I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac, 
> As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to work 
> fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> 
> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
> 
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
>> have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
>> 
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Re: Is development for OS Over?

2016-12-15 Thread Kliphton Miller

There will be a new line of iMacs coming out sometime next year.  They delayed 
them, cause they need to find a way to put the touch bar on the keyboard that 
ships with it.  Personally, nothing exciting has changed since mavericks, but 
they foot print is getting smaller, just glad updates are free, based on the 
lack of changes we have seen.  From what the reviews and reports say about the 
2016 MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on those too.
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just a question for you all.
> 
> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering 
> is development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used 
> the Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and 
> Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out 
> new lap tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple 
> are finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of 
> their mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple 
> should want to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still 
> since the talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is 
> going.  I want something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new 
> technology but these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new 
> I phone will grip a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to 
> make us so crazy.
> 
> Kawal.
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Dropbox and its Public folder

   Just got an email from Dropbox indicating that support  for the 
Public folder will go away in March of next year and replaced with 
Private. From what I read, it appears to be a matter of terminology and 
that functionality will be unchanged. But when this change takes place, 
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Re: Is development for OS Over?


Scott and Kawal,
   I started with Mountain Lion but as I really only started getring 
comfortable with the Mac at around Yosemite, I still have seen a great 
deal of development ongoing, especially now in Sierra and its 
partnership with iOS.


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On 12/15/2016 2:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I don’t think development has changed.  OS X has evolved a lot since the 
leopard days I started working with it.  There are major upgrades, especially 
under the hood and with collaboration among other things.  Performance is 
steadily improving and the laptops are clearly being developed.  The days of 
the desk top may be over but everyone is mobile now. I think the days of the 
computer in some form are with us for a while yet.



On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Just a question for you all.

Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering is 
development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used the 
Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and Mac 
Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out new lap 
tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple are 
finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of their 
mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple should want 
to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still since the 
talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is going.  I want 
something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new technology but 
these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new I phone will grip 
a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.

Kawal.

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Re: Tidal music service

I almost went in to recording engineering as a line of work.  I love music but 
physics grabbed me just a little bit more and then the Internet thing diverted 
me and here I am.

In my play lists I have everything from E40 to Snoop Dogg to the Grateful Dead 
to Johny Cash to Andre Watts to Emergency Broadcast Network and everything else 
in between.  The only thing I’m not really in to is modern country but I dig 
the staples like Johny Cash and Willy.  I’m also with Mary here and like 
classical especially classical piano.  One of the things that upsets me is the 
way Andre Watts who is a great pianist sounds compressed.  These lossless music 
services might be the answer to my objections.  I’ve been blessed to see so 
many of these various performers live or even in studio sessions that hearing 
it compressed just kills me and takes the life out of it.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I also like classical music and particularly Russian. I have found quite a 
> bit of Russian music on Apple Music in iTunes. More there than anywhere else.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, sounds intresting.
>> Jazz is one of my favorites genres too.
>> But i like classical music too.
>> Especially Russian.
>> So i have to try this.
>> /A
>>> 15 dec. 2016 kl. 14:21 skrev Terje Strømberg :
>>> 
>>> You are right about sub genre and genres. The important thing for me is 
>>> that they have a large library for jazz for example. You find a new artist 
>>> elsewhere i.e. in apple music, radium and forums. Then you make your own 
>>> library and playlists. As you also pointed. 
>>> 
>>> A very good place for jazz  is:Radium with a subscription on jazzradio.com 
>>> is a good choice for jazz listening with voice over in use with radium. 
>>> Nice warm sound.Also good for background music.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 15. des. 2016 kl. 02.01 skrev Mary Otten :

 Thanks for that clarification about the Mac app. I am starting my 30 day 
 trial and I am very impressed with the sound on the hi-fi  program. I 
 think they don't have enough genres. And they don't subdivide the genres. 
 Other services do a better job with that. But the sound quality is 
 unmatched in my experience with other services as well. I will have to 
 figure out how to find my preferred sub genres, since you can't do it by 
 searching. Search, for instance, on smooth jazz, and you will not find a 
 genre. 

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. It is a mac app. The good news is that Tidal works very good on IOS. 
> Audirvana also have an remote app for about $10 that seems to work fine, 
> but the mac app needs to be running on mac with wi-fi enabled. Since 
> Tidal works with voice over on IOS, you are good to go right now. Very 
> good library for jazz. i am a newbee in the classical area. I bought some 
> classic fm cd’s from amazon with pretty average sound quality, but i 
> could find the most of theese titles in the Tidal app.
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 14. des. 2016 kl. 21.09 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> From your description, it sounds like this is an app for the Mac. Is 
>> that right? Not for the iPhone. You have all those keyboard references, 
>> making me think that it is a Mac app.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use an app called Audirvana Plus 2. The price for this app is about 
>>> $100, but is worth it. Open up for Tidal in Audirvana preferences. Read 
>>> user guide to be more familiar is a good advice. Although it is very 
>>> easy to use with voice over. To hit play on a song title with keyboard 
>>> i needed to make a «one left mouse click» command on the numeric 
>>> keyboard. Vo + j to move around and the first letter in the sidepanel 
>>> table. The drawback, not good thing, is that Audirvana do not read 
>>> artist names in album table. Only in song title tables in the albbum. 
>>> It is possible to search for album titles with vo - i i.e. the object 
>>> chooser.
>>> 
>>> The Tidal web browser was pretty good accessible before with the object 
>>> chooser vo - i. Don’t now how it is theeese days.
>>> 
>>> Take care 
>>> 
>>> 
 13. des. 2016 kl. 05.05 skrev Mary Otten :

 Hi all,
 I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. 
 Specifically of course, the first question would be about 
 accessibility and ease-of-use of the app. I'm kind of

Re: Tidal music service

2016-12-15 Thread Mary Otten

I also like classical music and particularly Russian. I have found quite a bit 
of Russian music on Apple Music in iTunes. More there than anywhere else.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, sounds intresting.
> Jazz is one of my favorites genres too.
> But i like classical music too.
> Especially Russian.
> So i have to try this.
> /A
>> 15 dec. 2016 kl. 14:21 skrev Terje Strømberg :
>> 
>> You are right about sub genre and genres. The important thing for me is that 
>> they have a large library for jazz for example. You find a new artist 
>> elsewhere i.e. in apple music, radium and forums. Then you make your own 
>> library and playlists. As you also pointed. 
>> 
>> A very good place for jazz  is:Radium with a subscription on jazzradio.com 
>> is a good choice for jazz listening with voice over in use with radium. Nice 
>> warm sound.Also good for background music.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 15. des. 2016 kl. 02.01 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that clarification about the Mac app. I am starting my 30 day 
>>> trial and I am very impressed with the sound on the hi-fi  program. I think 
>>> they don't have enough genres. And they don't subdivide the genres. Other 
>>> services do a better job with that. But the sound quality is unmatched in 
>>> my experience with other services as well. I will have to figure out how to 
>>> find my preferred sub genres, since you can't do it by searching. Search, 
>>> for instance, on smooth jazz, and you will not find a genre. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Yes. It is a mac app. The good news is that Tidal works very good on IOS. 
 Audirvana also have an remote app for about $10 that seems to work fine, 
 but the mac app needs to be running on mac with wi-fi enabled. Since Tidal 
 works with voice over on IOS, you are good to go right now. Very good 
 library for jazz. i am a newbee in the classical area. I bought some 
 classic fm cd’s from amazon with pretty average sound quality, but i could 
 find the most of theese titles in the Tidal app.
 
 Take care
 
> 14. des. 2016 kl. 21.09 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> From your description, it sounds like this is an app for the Mac. Is that 
> right? Not for the iPhone. You have all those keyboard references, making 
> me think that it is a Mac app.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use an app called Audirvana Plus 2. The price for this app is about 
>> $100, but is worth it. Open up for Tidal in Audirvana preferences. Read 
>> user guide to be more familiar is a good advice. Although it is very 
>> easy to use with voice over. To hit play on a song title with keyboard i 
>> needed to make a «one left mouse click» command on the numeric keyboard. 
>> Vo + j to move around and the first letter in the sidepanel table. The 
>> drawback, not good thing, is that Audirvana do not read artist names in 
>> album table. Only in song title tables in the albbum. It is possible to 
>> search for album titles with vo - i i.e. the object chooser.
>> 
>> The Tidal web browser was pretty good accessible before with the object 
>> chooser vo - i. Don’t now how it is theeese days.
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>> 
>>> 13. des. 2016 kl. 05.05 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. 
>>> Specifically of course, the first question would be about accessibility 
>>> and ease-of-use of the app. I'm kind of interested in the higher 
>>> fidelity audio that is offered, although I don't know the extent of the 
>>> catalog. I'm mostly a classical music and jazz listener. Of course, I 
>>> have iTunes match and a large Apple Music library. But the notion of 
>>> lossless is intriguing, especially as I have a pair of headphones with 
>>> digital to analog converter that I think would take good advantage of 
>>> this lossless service. So I'm wondering if folks have had good or bad 
>>> experiences.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Tidal music service

2016-12-15 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Hmm, sounds intresting.
Jazz is one of my favorites genres too.
But i like classical music too.
Especially Russian.
So i have to try this.
/A
> 15 dec. 2016 kl. 14:21 skrev Terje Strømberg :
> 
> You are right about sub genre and genres. The important thing for me is that 
> they have a large library for jazz for example. You find a new artist 
> elsewhere i.e. in apple music, radium and forums. Then you make your own 
> library and playlists. As you also pointed. 
> 
> A very good place for jazz  is:Radium with a subscription on jazzradio.com is 
> a good choice for jazz listening with voice over in use with radium. Nice 
> warm sound.Also good for background music.
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 15. des. 2016 kl. 02.01 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Thanks for that clarification about the Mac app. I am starting my 30 day 
>> trial and I am very impressed with the sound on the hi-fi  program. I think 
>> they don't have enough genres. And they don't subdivide the genres. Other 
>> services do a better job with that. But the sound quality is unmatched in my 
>> experience with other services as well. I will have to figure out how to 
>> find my preferred sub genres, since you can't do it by searching. Search, 
>> for instance, on smooth jazz, and you will not find a genre. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. It is a mac app. The good news is that Tidal works very good on IOS. 
>>> Audirvana also have an remote app for about $10 that seems to work fine, 
>>> but the mac app needs to be running on mac with wi-fi enabled. Since Tidal 
>>> works with voice over on IOS, you are good to go right now. Very good 
>>> library for jazz. i am a newbee in the classical area. I bought some 
>>> classic fm cd’s from amazon with pretty average sound quality, but i could 
>>> find the most of theese titles in the Tidal app.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 14. des. 2016 kl. 21.09 skrev Mary Otten :
 
 From your description, it sounds like this is an app for the Mac. Is that 
 right? Not for the iPhone. You have all those keyboard references, making 
 me think that it is a Mac app.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> I use an app called Audirvana Plus 2. The price for this app is about 
> $100, but is worth it. Open up for Tidal in Audirvana preferences. Read 
> user guide to be more familiar is a good advice. Although it is very easy 
> to use with voice over. To hit play on a song title with keyboard i 
> needed to make a «one left mouse click» command on the numeric keyboard. 
> Vo + j to move around and the first letter in the sidepanel table. The 
> drawback, not good thing, is that Audirvana do not read artist names in 
> album table. Only in song title tables in the albbum. It is possible to 
> search for album titles with vo - i i.e. the object chooser.
> 
> The Tidal web browser was pretty good accessible before with the object 
> chooser vo - i. Don’t now how it is theeese days.
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
>> 13. des. 2016 kl. 05.05 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. 
>> Specifically of course, the first question would be about accessibility 
>> and ease-of-use of the app. I'm kind of interested in the higher 
>> fidelity audio that is offered, although I don't know the extent of the 
>> catalog. I'm mostly a classical music and jazz listener. Of course, I 
>> have iTunes match and a large Apple Music library. But the notion of 
>> lossless is intriguing, especially as I have a pair of headphones with 
>> digital to analog converter that I think would take good advantage of 
>> this lossless service. So I'm wondering if folks have had good or bad 
>> experiences.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Good for you! :)
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Heh and I too made a stink and sent Apple an email.
> 
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> On 12/15/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Good.  I'm glad it's working for you as well.  I agree that it is even more 
>> important when not connected to power, and I believe that's why some of us 
>> are making a stink.  Yes, there are workarounds, but hopefully, these are 
>> only needed for the short-term.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:02, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned 
>> this.  I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're 
>> *not* plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have 
>>> "Show Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure 
>>> why you're not seeing that behaviour.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not 
>>> for me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have 
 a solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is 
 available when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is 
 disconnected and, thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy 
 and not a huge rewrite.
 
 Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  
 But no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm 
 paying attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into 
 applications, then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then 
 bring up the item chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too 
 many steps for something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to 
 accessibility, information such as battery level should be available to me 
 with the same ease that it is available to a sighted user.
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy 
> cursor mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t 
> focus correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows 
> side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact 
> is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
> 
> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom 
> Scientific have broken in their history and they are a dedicated 
> accessibility company.  I rest my case.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would 
>> be a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for 
>> me a non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company 
>> thinks that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK 
>> with them.  This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was 
>> shown at the last Apple event where they touted their commitment to 
>> accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would 
>> feel that this decision by Apple flies in the face of their own stated 
>> values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when 
>> i don't have access to AC.
>> 
>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot 
>> point.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>

Re: thoughts on battery after update

I wrote accessibility right away yesterday when we first started discussing 
this so my voice is among the many if it helps.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Heh and I too made a stink and sent Apple an email.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/15/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Good.  I'm glad it's working for you as well.  I agree that it is even more 
>> important when not connected to power, and I believe that's why some of us 
>> are making a stink.  Yes, there are workarounds, but hopefully, these are 
>> only needed for the short-term.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:02, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned 
>> this.  I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're 
>> *not* plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have 
>>> "Show Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure 
>>> why you're not seeing that behaviour.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not 
>>> for me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have 
 a solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is 
 available when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is 
 disconnected and, thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy 
 and not a huge rewrite.
 
 Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  
 But no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm 
 paying attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into 
 applications, then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then 
 bring up the item chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too 
 many steps for something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to 
 accessibility, information such as battery level should be available to me 
 with the same ease that it is available to a sighted user.
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy 
> cursor mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t 
> focus correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows 
> side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact 
> is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
> 
> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom 
> Scientific have broken in their history and they are a dedicated 
> accessibility company.  I rest my case.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would 
>> be a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for 
>> me a non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company 
>> thinks that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK 
>> with them.  This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was 
>> shown at the last Apple event where they touted their commitment to 
>> accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would 
>> feel that this decision by Apple flies in the face of their own stated 
>> values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when 
>> i don't have access to AC.
>> 
>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot 
>> point.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna

Re: thoughts on battery after update

I can confirm that behavior as well but I’m on 10.12.3 Beta 1 now so not sure 
how valid my observations are.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have 
> "Show Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why 
> you're not seeing that behaviour.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
> me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
>> solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
>> when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
>> thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge 
>> rewrite.
>> 
>> Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
>> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
>> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, 
>> then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
>> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
>> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
>> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
>> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
>>> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
>>> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor 
>>> mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus 
>>> correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I 
>>> would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact is there 
>>> still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
>>> 
>>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility 
>>> company.  I rest my case.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be 
 a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
 non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
 that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
 This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
 last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
 I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
 by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with 
 a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
 
 At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
> is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
> the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
> things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
> battery power.
> 
> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because 
> of this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go 
> that direction.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
> in that area.
> 
> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
> yet.
> 
>> On Dec 15,

Re: Key Features of GoodSync

2016-12-15 Thread Larry Thacker Jr.

I have GoodSync.  It’s accessible, and at first it worked pretty well, but then 
something went wrong and it doesn’t seem to be working at all.  Setup was 
overly complicated, and you can’t bypass any part of it or the program won’t 
work properly.  It doesn’t make that clear while you’re setting it up.  I was 
unimpressed with my interactions with the support people, so I haven’t gotten 
back with them to find out what the current issue is.  The Mac version of this 
program seems to be almost an afterthought.  When you look at their support and 
FAQ pages much of the material explains the Windows product and makes no 
mention of the Mac version.  I do not recommend GoodSync and at some point will 
probably be on the hunt again for a better solution that will do what I want 
and allow me to automate the process.  

Forklift seems to have good synchronization and backup functions but you can’t 
automate it directly.  The support people there were very helpful with my 
question about Voiceover, even giving me a license key to make sure it would 
work.  If you don’t need to automate, this might work well.  When I asked them 
about automating they directed me to create what they call a Synklet, basically 
it creates a little app that you can execute to perform the function you set 
up.  Then I was to use the calendar to set up the schedule.  I read up on 
creating a local calendar so that apps could be run from it, but I couldn’t get 
the event to fire.

So, if anyone else has an accessible solution for file backup/synchronization 
that can be scheduled and will work while the Mac is power napping it sounds 
like more than one of us would like to know about it.  I have Time Machine and 
Crash Plan running, but I need something that will back up my files by straight 
copy so that other machines on my network can access them without needing the 
same software.  I want my wife to be able to open my backed up files from her 
Windows machine.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 2 questions here…
> 
> Have you heard of this program?  GoodSync?
>> https://www.goodsync.com/features 
> 
> 
> Secondly, a while back we talked a little bit about manually syncing specific 
> folders, but I cannot remember the name.  It had to do with typing in a 
> string of commands.  :)  Anyone might know what I’m trying to remember?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

You don’t have to take all that many steps, you can just leave the monitor on 
the doc which honestly is no more key strokes than vo m twice and right to the 
reading area past WiFi.  That’s just not a valid criticism.  There’s to many 
easy ways to hot key that sort of thing or at least bring it in to a very 
similar number of keystrokes.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
> into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through 
>> alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a 
>> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and 
>> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or 
>> any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if 
>> there was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not 
>> just in one alternate way but many.
>> 
>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company. 
>>  I rest my case.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
>>> that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
>>> This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
>>> last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
>>> I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
>>> by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a 
>>> computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>>> 
>>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
 to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
 pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
 is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
 the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
 things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
 battery power.
 
 I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
 this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
 direction.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
 in that area.
 
 Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
 yet.
 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
> re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
> there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be 
> an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely 
> on a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the 
> go--without providing them good access to battery information is 
> ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is 
> a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's 
> hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a 
> class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, 
> but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and 
> purchase a PC instead.
>

Re: thoughts on battery after update


   Heh and I too made a stink and sent Apple an email.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "Lord, Help me become the person
  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/15/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Good.  I'm glad it's working for you as well.  I agree that it is even more 
important when not connected to power, and I believe that's why some of us are 
making a stink.  Yes, there are workarounds, but hopefully, these are only 
needed for the short-term.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:02, Donna Goodin  wrote:

I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned this.  
I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're *not* 
plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have "Show 
Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why you're not 
seeing that behaviour.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:

So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

hi,

I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge rewrite.

Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily fixed, 
I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through alternate 
means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a monitoring tool 
here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and click with a mouse 
because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any number of issues you 
run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery 
level but the fact is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.

Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific have 
broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  I rest 
my case.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB

Re: thoughts on battery after update

Good.  I'm glad it's working for you as well.  I agree that it is even more 
important when not connected to power, and I believe that's why some of us are 
making a stink.  Yes, there are workarounds, but hopefully, these are only 
needed for the short-term.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:02, Donna Goodin  wrote:

I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned this.  
I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're *not* 
plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have 
> "Show Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why 
> you're not seeing that behaviour.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
> me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
>> solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
>> when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
>> thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge 
>> rewrite.
>> 
>> Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
>> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
>> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, 
>> then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
>> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
>> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
>> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
>> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
>>> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
>>> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor 
>>> mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus 
>>> correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I 
>>> would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact is there 
>>> still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
>>> 
>>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility 
>>> company.  I rest my case.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be 
 a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
 non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
 that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
 This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
 last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
 I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
 by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with 
 a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
 
 At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
> is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
> the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
> things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
> battery power.
> 
> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because

Re: Is development for OS Over?

I don’t think development has changed.  OS X has evolved a lot since the 
leopard days I started working with it.  There are major upgrades, especially 
under the hood and with collaboration among other things.  Performance is 
steadily improving and the laptops are clearly being developed.  The days of 
the desk top may be over but everyone is mobile now. I think the days of the 
computer in some form are with us for a while yet.


> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just a question for you all.
> 
> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering 
> is development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used 
> the Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and 
> Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out 
> new lap tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple 
> are finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of 
> their mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple 
> should want to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still 
> since the talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is 
> going.  I want something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new 
> technology but these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new 
> I phone will grip a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to 
> make us so crazy.
> 
> Kawal.
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Is development for OS Over?

2016-12-15 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Just a question for you all.

Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering is 
development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used the 
Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and Mac 
Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out new lap 
tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple are 
finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of their 
mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple should want 
to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still since the 
talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is going.  I want 
something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new technology but 
these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new I phone will grip 
a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.

Kawal.

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Re: thoughts on battery after update

I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned this.  
I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're *not* 
plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have 
> "Show Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why 
> you're not seeing that behaviour.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
> me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
>> solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
>> when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
>> thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge 
>> rewrite.
>> 
>> Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
>> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
>> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, 
>> then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
>> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
>> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
>> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
>> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
>>> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
>>> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor 
>>> mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus 
>>> correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I 
>>> would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact is there 
>>> still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
>>> 
>>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility 
>>> company.  I rest my case.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be 
 a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
 non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
 that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
 This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
 last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
 I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
 by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with 
 a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
 
 At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
> is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
> the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
> things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
> battery power.
> 
> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because 
> of this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go 
> that direction.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
> in that

Re: thoughts on battery after update

That's exactly what I plan to do for the time being.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Open the Energy preferences and leave focus on the battery charge item 
> which reads in percentage. Just switch windows now and then to check it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/15/2016 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
>> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
>> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, 
>> then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
>> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
>> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
>> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
>> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available 
>>> through alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or 
>>> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor 
>>> mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus 
>>> correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I 
>>> would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact is there 
>>> still is and not just in one alternate way but many.
>>> 
>>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility 
>>> company.  I rest my case.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be 
 a matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
 non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
 that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
 This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
 last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
 I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
 by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with 
 a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
 
 At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
> is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
> the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
> things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
> battery power.
> 
> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because 
> of this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go 
> that direction.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
> in that area.
> 
> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
> yet.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
>> re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
>> there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to 
>> be an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would 
>> rely on a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the 
>> go--without providing them good access to battery information is 
>> ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that 
>> is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But 
>> that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a 
>> meeting, a class, etc.  I had

Re: thoughts on battery after update

Hi,

Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have "Show 
Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why you're 
not seeing that behaviour.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:

So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
> solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
> when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
> thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge 
> rewrite.
> 
> Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
> into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through 
>> alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a 
>> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and 
>> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or 
>> any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if 
>> there was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not 
>> just in one alternate way but many.
>> 
>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company. 
>>  I rest my case.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
>>> that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
>>> This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
>>> last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
>>> I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
>>> by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a 
>>> computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>>> 
>>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
 to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
 pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
 is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
 the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
 things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
 battery power.
 
 I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
 this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
 direction.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
 in that area.
 
 Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
 yet.
 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
> re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
> there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be

Re: thoughts on battery after update

   Open the Energy preferences and leave focus on the battery charge 
item which reads in percentage. Just switch windows now and then to 
check it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "Lord, Help me become the person
  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/15/2016 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily fixed, 
I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through alternate 
means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a monitoring tool 
here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and click with a mouse 
because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any number of issues you 
run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery 
level but the fact is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.

Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific have 
broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  I rest 
my case.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re the 
battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is an icon 
that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an equivalent for us.  
I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a laptop--which 
theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without providing them good 
access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into 
Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you 
can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the 
middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the 
new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's 
lead and purchase a PC instead.

To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage you 
to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
Best,
Donna

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Re: Key Features of GoodSync

2016-12-15 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I think the second question refers to terminal where you type in a string of 
commands.  I can't do terminal sorry.
> On 15 Dec 2016, at 21:09, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 2 questions here…
> 
> Have you heard of this program?  GoodSync?
>> https://www.goodsync.com/features
> 
> 
> Secondly, a while back we talked a little bit about manually syncing specific 
> folders, but I cannot remember the name.  It had to do with typing in a 
> string of commands.  :)  Anyone might know what I’m trying to remember?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

ET, I hope you're right. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:52 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Isn't that a bit of a reach? What Apple probably did was they broke the 
> Voiceover ability to speak the percentage. We may not need to wait for the .3 
> update to fix this. Just my .05 cents.
> 
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> 
> On 12/15/2016 1:39 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
>> blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
>> all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
>> event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't 
>> want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple 
>> flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer 
>> I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>> 
>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to 
>>> the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing 
>>> if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make 
>>> the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine 
>>> is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just 
>>> fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
>>> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
>>> direction.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
>>> in that area.
>>> 
>>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
 re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
 there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be 
 an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on 
 a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
 providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
 know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
 consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly 
 convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, 
 etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but 
 right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a 
 PC instead.

 To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
 you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
 battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
 Best,
 Donna

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Re: thoughts on battery after update

So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
> solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
> when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
> thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge 
> rewrite.
> 
> Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
> no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
> attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
> into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item 
> chooser so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for 
> something so very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, 
> information such as battery level should be available to me with the same 
> ease that it is available to a sighted user.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
>> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through 
>> alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a 
>> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and 
>> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or 
>> any number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if 
>> there was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not 
>> just in one alternate way but many.
>> 
>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
>> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company. 
>>  I rest my case.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks 
>>> that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  
>>> This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the 
>>> last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, 
>>> I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision 
>>> by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a 
>>> computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>>> 
>>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible 
 to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's 
 pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do 
 is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when 
 the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce 
 things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on 
 battery power.
 
 I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
 this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
 direction.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
 in that area.
 
 Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage 
 yet.
 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
> re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
> there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be 
> an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely 
> on a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the 
> go--without providing them good access to battery information is 
> ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is

Re: thoughts on battery after update

   Isn't that a bit of a reach? What Apple probably did was they broke 
the Voiceover ability to speak the percentage. We may not need to wait 
for the .3 update to fix this. Just my .05 cents.


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On 12/15/2016 1:39 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re the 
battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is an icon 
that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an equivalent for us.  
I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a laptop--which 
theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without providing them good 
access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into 
Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you 
can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the 
middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the 
new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's 
lead and purchase a PC instead.

To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage you 
to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
Best,
Donna

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Re: thoughts on battery after update

hi,

I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge rewrite.

Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through 
> alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a 
> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and 
> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any 
> number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there 
> was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not just in 
> one alternate way but many.
> 
> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  
> I rest my case.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
>> blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
>> all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
>> event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't 
>> want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple 
>> flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer 
>> I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>> 
>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to 
>>> the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing 
>>> if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make 
>>> the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine 
>>> is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just 
>>> fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
>>> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
>>> direction.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
>>> in that area.
>>> 
>>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
 re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
 there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be 
 an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on 
 a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
 providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
 know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
 consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly 
 convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, 
 etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but 
 right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a 
 PC instead.

 To my thinking this is

Re: thoughts on battery after update

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
> available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily 
> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through 
> alternate means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a 
> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and 
> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any 
> number of issues you run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there 
> was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not just in 
> one alternate way but many.
> 
> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific 
> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  
> I rest my case.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
>> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
>> blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
>> all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
>> event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't 
>> want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple 
>> flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer 
>> I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
>> 
>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to 
>>> the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing 
>>> if they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make 
>>> the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine 
>>> is using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just 
>>> fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
>>> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
>>> direction.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done 
>>> in that area.
>>> 
>>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility 
 re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If 
 there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be 
 an equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on 
 a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
 providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
 know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
 consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly 
 convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, 
 etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but 
 right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a 
 PC instead.

 To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
 you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
 battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
 Best,
 Donna

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Re: thoughts on battery after update

I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily fixed, 
I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through alternate 
means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a monitoring tool 
here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and click with a mouse 
because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any number of issues you 
run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery 
level but the fact is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.

Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific have 
broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  I rest 
my case.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
> matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
> blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
> all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
> event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't 
> want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple 
> flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer 
> I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.
> 
> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to 
>> the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
>> they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
>> indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
>> using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine 
>> in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.
>> 
>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
>> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
>> direction.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
>> that area.
>> 
>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
>>> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
>>> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
>>> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
>>> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
>>> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
>>> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
>>> consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly 
>>> convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, 
>>> etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but 
>>> right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a 
>>> PC instead.
>>> 
>>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
>>> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
>>> battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to 
> the sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
> they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
> indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
> using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
> 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.
> 
> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
> direction.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
> that area.
> 
> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
>> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
>> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
>> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
>> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
>> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
>> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
>> consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient 
>> or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had 
>> been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm 
>> thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
>> 
>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
>> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
>> battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Key Features of GoodSync

2016-12-15 Thread Traci Duncan

Hi all, 2 questions here…

Have you heard of this program?  GoodSync?
> https://www.goodsync.com/features 


Secondly, a while back we talked a little bit about manually syncing specific 
folders, but I cannot remember the name.  It had to do with typing in a string 
of commands.  :)  Anyone might know what I’m trying to remember?

Thanks,
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Well, I'll be hopeful and hold off on a computer purchase decision for now. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
> that area.
> 
> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
>> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
>> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
>> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
>> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
>> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
>> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
>> consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient 
>> or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had 
>> been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm 
>> thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
>> 
>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
>> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
>> battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Hurray!  Thanks for letting me know that.  The percentage/charged 
indicator was all I ever used, b/c the time remaining calculation is too 
variable depending on what processes one is using to be worth much.  (At least, 
IMHO).
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Donna, the battery indicator is back in 10.12.3 beta 1.
> 
> At least the percentage / charged indicator.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
>> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
>> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
>> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
>> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
>> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
>> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time 
>> consuming process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient 
>> or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had 
>> been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm 
>> thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
>> 
>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
>> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given 
>> battery information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados  wrote:

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming 
> process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or 
> appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been 
> planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking 
> I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
> 
> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
> information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming 
> process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or 
> appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been 
> planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking 
> I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
> 
> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
> information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

Donna, the battery indicator is back in 10.12.3 beta 1.

At least the percentage / charged indicator.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re 
> the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is 
> an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an 
> equivalent for us.  I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a 
> laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without 
> providing them good access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I 
> know.  You can go into Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming 
> process.  And yes, you can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or 
> appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been 
> planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking 
> I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead.
> 
> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage 
> you to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
> information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
> Best,
> Donna
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thoughts on battery after update

Hi all,

I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re the 
battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is an icon 
that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an equivalent for us.  
I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a laptop--which 
theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without providing them good 
access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into 
Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you 
can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the 
middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the 
new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's 
lead and purchase a PC instead.

To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage you 
to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
Best,
Donna

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Mac IOS 10.2.1 beta 1 and OSX 10.12.3 beta 1 download available

For folks on the public beta (*** public beta***) updates are available.  As 
always download these on machines you’re willing to test with.

Good luck.

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Re: Tidal music service

2016-12-15 Thread Terje Strømberg

Another app,  Sonos support Tidal. Sonos app for IOS may work for getting 
jazzradio.com within the Sonos app somehow. Both Tidal and jazzradio.com within 
Sonos? Maybe. Don’t have Sonos, but it support CD quality hifi Tidal. For Sonos 
app to work, a Sonos connect or Sonos speaker is needed. Thats all i know.

Take care

> 15. des. 2016 kl. 16.15 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Actually, I have a Radium on my iPhone supporting subscription service, 
> sirius xm. Perhaps that's because I also have it on the Mac. But it 
> definitely does work on my iPhone. Or at least it did the last time I tried 
> it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> You are right about sub genre and genres. The important thing for me is that 
>> they have a large library for jazz for example. You find a new artist 
>> elsewhere i.e. in apple music, radium and forums. Then you make your own 
>> library and playlists. As you also pointed. 
>> 
>> A very good place for jazz  is:Radium with a subscription on jazzradio.com 
>> is a good choice for jazz listening with voice over in use with radium. Nice 
>> warm sound.Also good for background music.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 15. des. 2016 kl. 02.01 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that clarification about the Mac app. I am starting my 30 day 
>>> trial and I am very impressed with the sound on the hi-fi  program. I think 
>>> they don't have enough genres. And they don't subdivide the genres. Other 
>>> services do a better job with that. But the sound quality is unmatched in 
>>> my experience with other services as well. I will have to figure out how to 
>>> find my preferred sub genres, since you can't do it by searching. Search, 
>>> for instance, on smooth jazz, and you will not find a genre. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Yes. It is a mac app. The good news is that Tidal works very good on IOS. 
 Audirvana also have an remote app for about $10 that seems to work fine, 
 but the mac app needs to be running on mac with wi-fi enabled. Since Tidal 
 works with voice over on IOS, you are good to go right now. Very good 
 library for jazz. i am a newbee in the classical area. I bought some 
 classic fm cd’s from amazon with pretty average sound quality, but i could 
 find the most of theese titles in the Tidal app.
 
 Take care
 
> 14. des. 2016 kl. 21.09 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> From your description, it sounds like this is an app for the Mac. Is that 
> right? Not for the iPhone. You have all those keyboard references, making 
> me think that it is a Mac app.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use an app called Audirvana Plus 2. The price for this app is about 
>> $100, but is worth it. Open up for Tidal in Audirvana preferences. Read 
>> user guide to be more familiar is a good advice. Although it is very 
>> easy to use with voice over. To hit play on a song title with keyboard i 
>> needed to make a «one left mouse click» command on the numeric keyboard. 
>> Vo + j to move around and the first letter in the sidepanel table. The 
>> drawback, not good thing, is that Audirvana do not read artist names in 
>> album table. Only in song title tables in the albbum. It is possible to 
>> search for album titles with vo - i i.e. the object chooser.
>> 
>> The Tidal web browser was pretty good accessible before with the object 
>> chooser vo - i. Don’t now how it is theeese days.
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>> 
>>> 13. des. 2016 kl. 05.05 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. 
>>> Specifically of course, the first question would be about accessibility 
>>> and ease-of-use of the app. I'm kind of interested in the higher 
>>> fidelity audio that is offered, although I don't know the extent of the 
>>> catalog. I'm mostly a classical music and jazz listener. Of course, I 
>>> have iTunes match and a large Apple Music library. But the notion of 
>>> lossless is intriguing, especially as I have a pair of headphones with 
>>> digital to analog converter that I think would take good advantage of 
>>> this lossless service. So I'm wondering if folks have had good or bad 
>>> experiences.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

   Yes its good to find this out and file it away in the dusty archives 
of our minds. I think it was Skype that did this to me but its been a 
couple months now. And this may explain why I did not see this with 
Pages as I added it to the dock very recently.

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On 12/15/2016 10:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Thanks, Jonathan! That was exactly the problem.  I had a folder called
iWork09.  It's gone now. :)

Thanks again for the tip.  It is nice to have an explanation for what
was going on.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

I believe that older versions of iWork were located in the iWork 2009
folder under Applications and not directly in the Applications folder.
So, check if you have a a folder called iWork or iWork with a version
number or year. I expect you have such a folder.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 15 December 2016 at 12:07, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse
things, of course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T. > wrote:
>
>   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did
have another app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut
took care of that.
>
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> On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again
to download the update this morning, I went into the applications
folder and checked the date on the pages app.  It was the most
recent date, which suggested that the update had been successful.
And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was able to
open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open
Pages from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a
newer version of pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the
dock, and created a new shortcut from the Applications folder.  So
all is well, but I have two questions.  Why didn't the shortcut in
the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to be opening
something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't
see a second version in the Applications folder.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

Thanks, Jonathan! That was exactly the problem.  I had a folder called iWork09. 
 It's gone now. :)

Thanks again for the tip.  It is nice to have an explanation for what was going 
on.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe that older versions of iWork were located in the iWork 2009 folder 
> under Applications and not directly in the Applications folder. So, check if 
> you have a a folder called iWork or iWork with a version number or year. I 
> expect you have such a folder.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
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> 
> On 15 December 2016 at 12:07, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse things, of 
> course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> > On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  > > wrote:
> >
> >   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have another 
> > app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care of that.
> >
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> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to 
> >> download the update this morning, I went into the applications folder and 
> >> checked the date on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which 
> >> suggested that the update had been successful.  And, when I opened it from 
> >> the Applications folder, I was able to open and edit all my documents.  
> >> However, when I tried to open Pages from the dock, I still got the error 
> >> message that I needed a newer version of pages.  I deleted the Pages 
> >> shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut from the Applications 
> >> folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why didn't the 
> >> shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to be 
> >> opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
> >> see a second version in the Applications folder.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any insights.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Donna
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

2016-12-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

I believe that older versions of iWork were located in the iWork 2009
folder under Applications and not directly in the Applications folder. So,
check if you have a a folder called iWork or iWork with a version number or
year. I expect you have such a folder.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 15 December 2016 at 12:07, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse things,
> of course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> > On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> >
> >   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have
> another app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care of
> that.
> >
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> > On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to
> download the update this morning, I went into the applications folder and
> checked the date on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which
> suggested that the update had been successful.  And, when I opened it from
> the Applications folder, I was able to open and edit all my documents.
> However, when I tried to open Pages from the dock, I still got the error
> message that I needed a newer version of pages.  I deleted the Pages
> shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut from the Applications
> folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why didn't the shortcut
> in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to be opening
> something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't see a
> second version in the Applications folder.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any insights.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Donna
> >>
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question


   Yes much worse. (smiles) My guess is the shortcut itself was corrupted.

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On 12/15/2016 9:07 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse things, of 
course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have another app 
chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care of that.

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On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download the 
update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the date 
on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that the update 
had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was 
able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open Pages 
from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a newer version of 
pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut 
from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why 
didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to 
be opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
see a second version in the Applications folder.

Thanks in advance for any insights.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse things, of 
course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have another 
> app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care of that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download 
>> the update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the 
>> date on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that 
>> the update had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications 
>> folder, I was able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried 
>> to open Pages from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a 
>> newer version of pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and 
>> created a new shortcut from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I 
>> have two questions.  Why didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since 
>> the old shortcut seemed to be opening something, do i now have two versions 
>> of Pages on my Mac?  I don't see a second version in the Applications folder.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have 
another app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care 
of that.


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On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download the 
update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the date 
on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that the update 
had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was 
able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open Pages 
from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a newer version of 
pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut 
from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why 
didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to 
be opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
see a second version in the Applications folder.

Thanks in advance for any insights.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

Hi,

In TextEdit, select all the text in your document, press cmd-t to bring up the 
Font dialog, then navigate to the size field and enter 12, or whatever size you 
prefer.  Note that you may wish to change the font as well so that the document 
has the same font throughout.  Size 12 in Aerial is different looking than size 
12 in Times.  Also note that only attributes that are changed will affect 
what's selected.  So, if you don't change the size number, then none of the 
font sizes will be changed.

One other note, as David has mentioned, it's Google Drive that you're likely 
wanting, not Google Docs.  Google Drive allows you to use whatever document 
type you wish, whereas a Google Doc is a specific document type itself.  It is 
a web-based document only editable within a browser.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 23:10, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hi,

Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way of 
sharing a document from the mac to docs? 

Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
make everything a uniform size?

Thanks,

Gabe


On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't want 
> to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at your 
> hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr.  > wrote:
> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so everything 
> would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To make it all 
> uniform you will want to open the font
> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, italics, 
> etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably a way to 
> get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing Word with 
> me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or Text Edit for 
> that matter.
> 
> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from 
> > many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. 
> > This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I 
> > haven't ever really paid attention to that.
> >
> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
> > differently?
> >
> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
> > couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy 
> > all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I 
> > have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the 
> > document.
> >
> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
> > running iOS 10.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread matthew dyer

Mac daly news reported it when they announced the upgrade.  I receive the daly 
news emails.

Matthew


> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> WHat’s the reason?  DO you have a pointer to the article?
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:58 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> 
>> This is by design.  I read about it earlyer.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/14/2016 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> One thing of note, it appears that the Battery Menu Extras item has lost 
>>> the ability to announce the current Battery level.  That is, as you move 
>>> across the Menu Extras, the current battery level, or time until charged 
>>> used to be announced.  This is no longer the case for me.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I noticed the same thing but it was incremental for me as I was updating 
>>> with each beta.  It seems like a pretty substantial update in size and as 
>>> you mentioned firmware as well.
>>> 
>>> Might blow out the install and do a clean 10.12.2 install although so far 
>>> it’s responding beautifully.
>>> 
 On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish MST.  
 There must be some updates to firmware and other base operations as I got 
 the solid tone and about six restarts before it finished the process.  All 
 seems to be running smooth after the update.
 
 Later..
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
 
 Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public 
> release.  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from 
> the beta have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
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Re: Here's how to view your battery time remaining and charge

Scott,
I have Battery Monitor and Battery Health installed. Its been a
while since I looked at them but will run these and see which gets to stay.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Without H2O there is no life!
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On 12/15/2016 6:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I haven’t, I did use a battery monitor program though that may fit the
bill I’ll have to download it again. It did show the number of cycles
of charge and such but I never found it that useful as it duplicated the
built in battery gauge. Might take another look.

On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Thanks, Scott. Just curious, I'm not familiar with iStat mini. Have
you used it? Does it do anything besides provide battery info?
TIA,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:

From Redmondpie, this seems to work initially, I can see the
percentage easily.

http://www.redmondpie.com/check-macbook-battery-time-remaining-on-macos-10.12.2-and-later-heres-how/

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,

I now have 10.12.2 installed on here, but the problem with voiceover still not 
fuckising on the next message in a conversation after a deleting the first 
message in a thread still is not fixed at least not on my machine anyway.  
Anyone else having this problem.

As an example, open a thread in mail and delete the first message in the thread 
and you will find that vo jumps to the last message in the thread.  I am going 
to report this to apple accessibility again as I have done several time.  This 
has been a problem since searria was first released.

Thanks.

Matthew


> On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, thanks I will keep trying to get it straightened out.
> I will remember your offer of assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Junior LolleyKG4ITD
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator.
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I definitely have not had any problems with mail certificates and I generate 
> my own certs for my mail servers and use others like gmail and an exchange 
> provider who use a mix of official and self signed.  No problem that I know 
> of unless you want to provide more detail and I’d be happy to test.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am using a late 2009 iMac and had issues with sending mail.
>> It kept telling me it didn't recognize the mail certificate.
>> I checked with my mail provider and they said it wasn't their problem.
>> 
>> 
>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
>> take a chance or your life will never change."
>> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:09 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>> 
>> I wasn’t aware of any mail issues with apple mail.  But then I am using a 
>> mid Mac mini from 2014, so maybe it’s for older models?
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice 
>>> to take a chance or your life will never change."
>>> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
>>> 
>>> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
 On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
 have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
 
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Re: Tidal music service

2016-12-15 Thread Mary Otten

Actually, I have a Radium on my iPhone supporting subscription service, sirius 
xm. Perhaps that's because I also have it on the Mac. But it definitely does 
work on my iPhone. Or at least it did the last time I tried it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> You are right about sub genre and genres. The important thing for me is that 
> they have a large library for jazz for example. You find a new artist 
> elsewhere i.e. in apple music, radium and forums. Then you make your own 
> library and playlists. As you also pointed. 
> 
> A very good place for jazz  is:Radium with a subscription on jazzradio.com is 
> a good choice for jazz listening with voice over in use with radium. Nice 
> warm sound.Also good for background music.
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 15. des. 2016 kl. 02.01 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Thanks for that clarification about the Mac app. I am starting my 30 day 
>> trial and I am very impressed with the sound on the hi-fi  program. I think 
>> they don't have enough genres. And they don't subdivide the genres. Other 
>> services do a better job with that. But the sound quality is unmatched in my 
>> experience with other services as well. I will have to figure out how to 
>> find my preferred sub genres, since you can't do it by searching. Search, 
>> for instance, on smooth jazz, and you will not find a genre. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. It is a mac app. The good news is that Tidal works very good on IOS. 
>>> Audirvana also have an remote app for about $10 that seems to work fine, 
>>> but the mac app needs to be running on mac with wi-fi enabled. Since Tidal 
>>> works with voice over on IOS, you are good to go right now. Very good 
>>> library for jazz. i am a newbee in the classical area. I bought some 
>>> classic fm cd’s from amazon with pretty average sound quality, but i could 
>>> find the most of theese titles in the Tidal app.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 14. des. 2016 kl. 21.09 skrev Mary Otten :
 
 From your description, it sounds like this is an app for the Mac. Is that 
 right? Not for the iPhone. You have all those keyboard references, making 
 me think that it is a Mac app.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> I use an app called Audirvana Plus 2. The price for this app is about 
> $100, but is worth it. Open up for Tidal in Audirvana preferences. Read 
> user guide to be more familiar is a good advice. Although it is very easy 
> to use with voice over. To hit play on a song title with keyboard i 
> needed to make a «one left mouse click» command on the numeric keyboard. 
> Vo + j to move around and the first letter in the sidepanel table. The 
> drawback, not good thing, is that Audirvana do not read artist names in 
> album table. Only in song title tables in the albbum. It is possible to 
> search for album titles with vo - i i.e. the object chooser.
> 
> The Tidal web browser was pretty good accessible before with the object 
> chooser vo - i. Don’t now how it is theeese days.
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
>> 13. des. 2016 kl. 05.05 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. 
>> Specifically of course, the first question would be about accessibility 
>> and ease-of-use of the app. I'm kind of interested in the higher 
>> fidelity audio that is offered, although I don't know the extent of the 
>> catalog. I'm mostly a classical music and jazz listener. Of course, I 
>> have iTunes match and a large Apple Music library. But the notion of 
>> lossless is intriguing, especially as I have a pair of headphones with 
>> digital to analog converter that I think would take good advantage of 
>> this lossless service. So I'm wondering if folks have had good or bad 
>> experiences.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Pages problems resolved and a question

Hi all,

So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download the 
update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the date 
on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that the update 
had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was 
able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open Pages 
from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a newer version of 
pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut 
from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why 
didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to 
be opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
see a second version in the Applications folder.

Thanks in advance for any insights.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Here's how to view your battery time remaining and charge

I haven’t, I did use a battery monitor program though that may fit the bill 
I’ll have to download it again.  It did show the number of cycles of charge and 
such but I never found it that useful as it duplicated the built in battery 
gauge.  Might take another look.

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Thanks, Scott.  Just curious, I'm not familiar with iStat mini.  Have you 
> used it?  Does it do anything besides provide battery info?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
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>> From Redmondpie, this seems to work initially, I can see the percentage 
>> easily.
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/check-macbook-battery-time-remaining-on-macos-10.12.2-and-later-heres-how/
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Re: Here's how to view your battery time remaining and charge

Thanks, Scott.  Just curious, I'm not familiar with iStat mini.  Have you used 
it?  Does it do anything besides provide battery info?
TIA,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> From Redmondpie, this seems to work initially, I can see the percentage 
> easily.
> 
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Here's how to view your battery time remaining and charge

>From Redmondpie, this seems to work initially, I can see the percentage easily.

http://www.redmondpie.com/check-macbook-battery-time-remaining-on-macos-10.12.2-and-later-heres-how/
 


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Re: Is there any compelling reason to upgrade to the latest version of Sierra?

There’s no compelling reason not to.  The battery thing isn’t that big of a 
deal.  You can get the data from Siri or there’s an Apple Script that provides 
that data as well.  You do get improved battery efficiency at least it seems so 
to me and you get a smoothed out login process which to me seems like less 
stuff being repeated.  Redmondpie just posted an article about how to check 
this information as well I’ll go repost it.



> On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I had every intention of upgrading until I read people's posts about the 
> battery level indicator going away.  I usually use my Mac on battery power, 
> so I refer to that indicator pretty frequently, and would not want to lose 
> it.  I don't mind having Siri give me that information, but as Tim pointed 
> out, sometimes it's rather inconvenient to talk to your Mac.  So, unless 
> there's a good reason to do it, I'm thinking I'll stick with 2.12.1.  Is 
> there any good reason to upgrade?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Is there any compelling reason to upgrade to the latest version of Sierra?

Hi all,

I had every intention of upgrading until I read people's posts about the 
battery level indicator going away.  I usually use my Mac on battery power, so 
I refer to that indicator pretty frequently, and would not want to lose it.  I 
don't mind having Siri give me that information, but as Tim pointed out, 
sometimes it's rather inconvenient to talk to your Mac.  So, unless there's a 
good reason to do it, I'm thinking I'll stick with 2.12.1.  Is there any good 
reason to upgrade?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: more on problem opening docs in Pages