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Re: mac OS big sur: progressively getting buggier and buggier as I leave it

2020-12-10 Thread Muhammad Fayed

I think you will like this video 

https://youtu.be/DeMWNfL8IWQ

Mohamed E. Fayed 


> On 11 Dec 2020, at 8:09 AM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
> 
> It would be better if someone has Mac OS Catalina.dmg installer so that you 
> can downgrade for now until everything gets better.
> 
> I’ve searched for it, but find Big Sur only.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I can say I am thoroughly disssapointed by the big sur experience. It's 
>> trying to act like an ipad, is schizophrenic with the voices, the touch bar 
>> almost never works, and a host of other things like the trackpad being 
>> overtly sensitive, some of the keyboard commander shortcuts not responding 
>> immediately, swipes giving me some other things I didn't ask for, in short 
>> it is hindering on my productivity.
>> 
>> the very fact that I recently purchased a macbook pro 16 inch fully souped 
>> up, which doesn't come cheap, I'm quite frustrated at this.
>> 
>> The big difference with this big little sir is that things start to 
>> degenerate the longer I use the laptop. The rest is fine, but I'm really 
>> annoyed by this voice that keeps changing all the time.
>> 
>> This is my rant
>> 
>> Yuma 
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Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

When in the VoiceOver Utility, you can find the Speech category, by interacting 
with the Utility Categories table, and navigating to Speech.  Once Speech has 
been located/selected, stop interacting with the table, and VO + right arrow 
into the Speech setting area.

As an alternative, when in the VoiceOver Utility, pressing CMD + 3, will select 
the Speech category.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:07, Fazil  wrote:

Hi Andrew.
When I Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, I can not navigate to category 
“speech”, or I should rather say that I can not find the category, ‘Speech’. Am 
I doing something wrong?
Thanks!

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

Fazil,

Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  You 
may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item which 
says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move through 
the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose the same 
voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.

Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil  > wrote:
>  
> Hi, Group.
> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
> If yes, how can I do that, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

On a Mac computer, by default, when pressed by themselves, the F-keys perform 
hardware functions, such as adjusting screen brightness, media controls, volume 
controls, and so on.  In order to have the F-keys perform as normal F-keys, the 
Fn key must be pressed in combination with the desired F-key.

This behavior can be changed in keyboard preferences, so that the behavior of 
the F-keys is reversed.


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On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:22, Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the top 
row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver Help on 
and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for adjusting 
brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was for mute.
Is this the original layout or the modified one?
Thanks!
 
 
Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard mapping?
The reason I am saying this is that 

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Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

2020-12-10 Thread Fazil

Hi, Group.

I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the
top row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver
Help on and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for
adjusting brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was
for mute.

Is this the original layout or the modified one?

Thanks!

 

 

Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard
mapping?

The reason I am saying this is that 

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Re: mac OS big sur: progressively getting buggier and buggier as I leave it

2020-12-10 Thread Muhammad Fayed

It would be better if someone has Mac OS Catalina.dmg installer so that you can 
downgrade for now until everything gets better.

I’ve searched for it, but find Big Sur only.

HTH,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I can say I am thoroughly disssapointed by the big sur experience. It's 
> trying to act like an ipad, is schizophrenic with the voices, the touch bar 
> almost never works, and a host of other things like the trackpad being 
> overtly sensitive, some of the keyboard commander shortcuts not responding 
> immediately, swipes giving me some other things I didn't ask for, in short it 
> is hindering on my productivity.
> 
> the very fact that I recently purchased a macbook pro 16 inch fully souped 
> up, which doesn't come cheap, I'm quite frustrated at this.
> 
> The big difference with this big little sir is that things start to 
> degenerate the longer I use the laptop. The rest is fine, but I'm really 
> annoyed by this voice that keeps changing all the time.
> 
> This is my rant
> 
> Yuma 
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RE: One Voice Only In Mac?

2020-12-10 Thread Fazil

Hi Andrew.

When I Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, I can not navigate to category 
“speech”, or I should rather say that I can not find the category, ‘Speech’. Am 
I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

 

Fazil,

 

Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  You 
may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item which 
says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move through 
the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose the same 
voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.

 

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.

Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?

If yes, how can I do that, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: How to select items to be moved

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

I was wrong.
I just tried it using the Mail app on Catalina, and I was able to select 
multiple items using the same method as described for selecting multiple items 
in Finder.

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On Dec 10, 2020, at 23:19, Gerard Doody  wrote:

Hi all, does this apply to mail as well? Thanks in advance...
Gerard Doody
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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
> for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
> interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
> vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have 
> been selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple 
> matter of holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 
> 
> Lorie
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
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>> back in; or at least trying.
>>  
>> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select items 
>> in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my High 
>> Sierra days.
>>  
>> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>>  
>> Most cordially,
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>> Larry W. Honaker
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Re: How to select items to be moved

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

No.

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On Dec 10, 2020, at 23:19, Gerard Doody  wrote:

Hi all, does this apply to mail as well? Thanks in advance...
Gerard Doody
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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
> for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
> interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
> vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have 
> been selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple 
> matter of holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 
> 
> Lorie
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings All,
>>  
>> After an absence of a few years from the Mac environment, I now am stepping 
>> back in; or at least trying.
>>  
>> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select items 
>> in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my High 
>> Sierra days.
>>  
>> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>>  
>> Most cordially,
>>  
>> Larry W. Honaker
>>  
>> kc8...@icloud.com 
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Re: How to select items to be moved

2020-12-10 Thread Gerard Doody

Hi all, does this apply to mail as well? Thanks in advance...
Gerard Doody
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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
> for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
> interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
> vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have 
> been selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple 
> matter of holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 
> 
> Lorie
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
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>> Greetings All,
>>  
>> After an absence of a few years from the Mac environment, I now am stepping 
>> back in; or at least trying.
>>  
>> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select items 
>> in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my High 
>> Sierra days.
>>  
>> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>>  
>> Most cordially,
>>  
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mac OS big sur: progressively getting buggier and buggier as I leave it

2020-12-10 Thread Yuma Decaux

Hi all,

I can say I am thoroughly disssapointed by the big sur experience. It's trying 
to act like an ipad, is schizophrenic with the voices, the touch bar almost 
never works, and a host of other things like the trackpad being overtly 
sensitive, some of the keyboard commander shortcuts not responding immediately, 
swipes giving me some other things I didn't ask for, in short it is hindering 
on my productivity.

the very fact that I recently purchased a macbook pro 16 inch fully souped up, 
which doesn't come cheap, I'm quite frustrated at this.

The big difference with this big little sir is that things start to degenerate 
the longer I use the laptop. The rest is fine, but I'm really annoyed by this 
voice that keeps changing all the time.

This is my rant

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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread Karen Lewellen

Granted I intend going back to the start of this thread, but I believe
symphony pro runs better in the iPad, especially for inclusive
composition, or so I recall from another list.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks for your thoughts on blind folks using Ipads, Donna. I've often
wondered about that.

Personally, I've never owned one and have no particular desire to get
one for exactly the reason you cite. I can only see two arguments in
favor:

* Potential superior speakers for better room filling sound. Is
* this a fact? Or just a speculative possibility?

* Some apps will run on Ipad, but not on Iphone. To my knowledge
* this is also false.

So, what's the attraction?

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:

Hi all,

This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, I
would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a
little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out which
device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has gotten me
thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no question about
that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I agree with Joe,
that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I can’t see the screen,
there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the first place. But even
knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued with the idea of getting a
newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up with a good reason why.
Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac is a much better
proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the screen I need. And, it’s
faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice
I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing this email on it, not on my Mac
and not on my iPhone.

This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something that
has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d love to
hear people’s thoughts.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread Ryan Mann

IPad as laptop replacement?  I guess it depends on how you define a laptop.  
Xcode, Apple’s development environment is not available on an iPad, but it is 
available on a Mac.  Since I use Xcode, I couldn’t replace my Mac with an iPad. 
 If you have a laptop that you just use for simple things such as email, 
reading books and web browsing, I guess you could replace your laptop with an 
iPad.  I could see replacing one of those expensive blindness note takers with 
an iPad and an affordable Braille display such as an Orbit.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 6:31:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Psychology of technology

Hi Tracy,

I totally get the cute factor. Back in the 90s, when I got my first dial-up 
modem, my husband and I were in the local computer store. We found this cute, 
tiny modem, and in the middle of the store full of male computer nerds, I cried 
out, "Oh, it's so cute!" My husband was mortified. lol

I still get a kick out of being able to cary around so many books with me, 
either on my braille display or my i-device. I remember going on vacation as a 
kid and being able to take only one book, because by the time we put four 
braille volumes in the car, that was all the room there was. It makes me so 
happy to know I can now have as many books as I want, wherever I go.

And I think you are on to something with the combination of keyboard and touch. 
I do like that when I want to move quickly to a different part of the screen, I 
have the option to just reach out and tap it.

And yeah. When I think about giving up my laptop, and just having an MBA, I 
hate the thought of opening up my mail, and seeing work email before I'm even a 
quarter of the way through my first cup of coffee. It is nice having two 
devices.

So, shiny toy syndrome or not, I think I've decided to upgrade one device this 
year, and one next. So now the question is ... which one to upgrade first! 藍
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>
> Shiny new toy syndrome, I like that!
>
> Personally, I love my iPad mini. The size is brilliant. I think this harkens 
> back to my childhood of wanting to be like the sighted students holding 
> textbooks or having diaries. It just feels cute in my arms. Silly, I know. 
> Braille books were huge! There’s the psychology for you. *insert face palm.
>
> On a more adult level, lol! When a keyboard is paired with the mini it is 
> like a touch laptop. I like the combo of typing on a keyboard, with the 
> ability to swipe on the screen. Way back in 2010, I had the original iPad 
> with a Zagg keyboard case. I thought it was the coolest thing! An accessible 
> touch laptop.
>
> I also like having a separate iOs device, so my phone isn’t doing everything.
>
> Interesting discussion here.
>
> Traci
>
>
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I fancy both. Lol But I worry that I’ve just got shiny new toy syndrome.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but 
>>> then I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no 
>>> need for both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s 
>>> possibly because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be 
>>> desired. The upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or 
>>> MacBook, have no use for both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in 
>>> particular then go for it. 
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>>
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Hi all,

 This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
 world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch 
 my funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
 sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. 
 That has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, 
 there’s no question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make 
 much sense. I agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. 
 And, since I can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have 
 an iPad in the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am 
 very intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t 
 really come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is 
 right. The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is 
 really all the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it 
 about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my 
 coffee and typing this email on

Re: Selecting text from a PDF

2020-12-10 Thread Jonathan Cohn

I understand that Chrome and Word can both work with PDF files now… I wonder if 
either of these has better selection tools.
Oh, I believe there is a select VoiceOver cursor text command, though this 
would not be much different from the copy last spoken phrase except for the 
avoidance of announcements
This is one of the places I just switch over to my Windows VM.
. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 10, 2020, at 21:10, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
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> Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra 
> step but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
>> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected 
>> text to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents 
>> to a blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable 
>> copy of the PDF’s contents.
>> 
>> Let me know if this works. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
>> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
>> anybody know how to do this?
>> Regards Zoe
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

2020-12-10 Thread Zoe Fiogkos

Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra step 
but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected text 
> to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents to a 
> blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable copy of 
> the PDF’s contents.
> 
> Let me know if this works. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
> answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
> anybody know how to do this?
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

2020-12-10 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries

I'm not sure what you're asking. Can you elaborate? What more would you like to 
do with the two devices connected?

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:24 PM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Aside from audio connection, does this permit any other shared function 
> between the two devices?
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Hi Fazil. Do you have the Amazon A L E X A app on your phone? If so, find 
>> your device in the app and select bluetooth. Once there, have the app start 
>> scanning for Bluetooth devices. Next, on your Mac launch system preferences 
>> and select the bluetooth preference pain. VO Right Arrow until you see a 
>> table. This should have all your Bluetooth capable devices so interact with 
>> the table and look for your Echo. If you're running Big Sur, activate the 
>> actions menu by pressing VO+Command+Spacebar and select pair. And if you 
>> have any other questions about your Mac or Echo, I have groups in Whatsapp 
>> that you can join. Info is in my signature.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Fazil  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
>>> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>>> 
>>> I???ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low 
>>> that I practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in 
>>> order to hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, 
>>> and/know what the cause is for it?
>>> 
 On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
 
 I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up 
 there.
 
 Traci
 
 
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
> 
> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
> 
> *Claps hands with excitement!
> 
> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;)
> 
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected text 
to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents to a 
blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable copy of 
the PDF’s contents.

Let me know if this works. 

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Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the attachment 
to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with the text and I 
am able to read the document. I can select the whole document and copy and 
paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does anybody know how 
to do this?
Regards Zoe


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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

2020-12-10 Thread Jonathan Cohn

I can get simple phrases to be copied using the VO-enter move cursor and 
VO-enter a second time. This will only work for me on chunks of text that are 
part of the same phrase with no changes in text size or fonts.
On web sites, usually if you can get one or two words selected, the rest can be 
selected, and I thought I could do this on PDF's, but had no luck.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 10, 2020, at 20:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
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> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
> answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
> anybody know how to do this?
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
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> he's late
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schedule ahead order

2020-12-10 Thread sarai.bucciarelli

Hi:

 

Has anyone tried to use the schedule ahead for deliver part of Doordash?
Tried on my iPhone 8Plus 14.2 iOS. You cannot double tap on schedule ahead.

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Selecting text from a PDF

2020-12-10 Thread FIOGKOS

Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the attachment 
to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with the text and I 
am able to read the document. I can select the whole document and copy and 
paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does anybody know how 
to do this?
Regards Zoe


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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi Tracy,

I totally get the cute factor. Back in the 90s, when I got my first dial-up 
modem, my husband and I were in the local computer store. We found this cute, 
tiny modem, and in the middle of the store full of male computer nerds, I cried 
out, "Oh, it's so cute!" My husband was mortified. lol

I still get a kick out of being able to cary around so many books with me, 
either on my braille display or my i-device. I remember going on vacation as a 
kid and being able to take only one book, because by the time we put four 
braille volumes in the car, that was all the room there was. It makes me so 
happy to know I can now have as many books as I want, wherever I go.

And I think you are on to something with the combination of keyboard and touch. 
I do like that when I want to move quickly to a different part of the screen, I 
have the option to just reach out and tap it.

And yeah. When I think about giving up my laptop, and just having an MBA, I 
hate the thought of opening up my mail, and seeing work email before I'm even a 
quarter of the way through my first cup of coffee. It is nice having two 
devices.

So, shiny toy syndrome or not, I think I've decided to upgrade one device this 
year, and one next. So now the question is ... which one to upgrade first! 藍
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Shiny new toy syndrome, I like that!
> 
> Personally, I love my iPad mini. The size is brilliant. I think this harkens 
> back to my childhood of wanting to be like the sighted students holding 
> textbooks or having diaries. It just feels cute in my arms. Silly, I know. 
> Braille books were huge! There’s the psychology for you. *insert face palm.
> 
> On a more adult level, lol! When a keyboard is paired with the mini it is 
> like a touch laptop. I like the combo of typing on a keyboard, with the 
> ability to swipe on the screen. Way back in 2010, I had the original iPad 
> with a Zagg keyboard case. I thought it was the coolest thing! An accessible 
> touch laptop.
> 
> I also like having a separate iOs device, so my phone isn’t doing everything.
> 
> Interesting discussion here.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I fancy both. Lol But I worry that I’ve just got shiny new toy syndrome.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but 
>>> then I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no 
>>> need for both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s 
>>> possibly because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be 
>>> desired. The upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or 
>>> MacBook, have no use for both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in 
>>> particular then go for it. 
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>> 
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Hi all,

 This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
 world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch 
 my funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
 sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. 
 That has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, 
 there’s no question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make 
 much sense. I agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. 
 And, since I can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have 
 an iPad in the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am 
 very intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t 
 really come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is 
 right. The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is 
 really all the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it 
 about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my 
 coffee and typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.

 This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
 that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, 
 I’d love to hear people’s thoughts.
 Cheers,
 Donna

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Re: Permanently stopping auto spellcheck in TextEdit

2020-12-10 Thread Phil Halton

Guess I should’ve looked at preference beers before I asked. Never mind, I 
found the settings to change

Guess I should’ve looked at preferences before I asked. Never mind, I found the 
settings to change.Sent from my IPhone

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Is there someway to permanently turn off the auto spellcheck feature in text 
> edit. Currently I have to turn it off each time I use text at it. Is there 
> something in settings or preferences I can use to fix this? Thanks
> 
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Permanently stopping auto spellcheck in TextEdit

2020-12-10 Thread Phil Halton

Is there someway to permanently turn off the auto spellcheck feature in text 
edit. Currently I have to turn it off each time I use text at it. Is there 
something in settings or preferences I can use to fix this? Thanks

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

The earlier discussion had to do with the behavior of the NumberRow keys when 
holding down the Fn key, not the behavior of the TouchBar.

- Brad -

On Dec 10, 2020, at 10:45, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Donna,
Yes, Just verified on my MBP 2108 with the touchbar. Holding Fn key down and 
sliding across the touchbar reads out the various f# positions.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That's what I said.
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, because that is the TouchBar, not the NumberRow keys.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
> bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
>> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
>> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
>> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
>> modifier in combination with F-keys.
>> 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
>> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
>> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But 
>> your right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, 
>> it wouldn’t be the same.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
>>> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
>>> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down 
>>> the Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
>>> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
>>> than other TouchBar features.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mohamed,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>>> like F2.
>>> Cheers
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
 is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
 equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t 
 work. Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought 
 of it and asked.
 As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
 
 Thank you so much,
 
 Regards,
 
 Mohamed E. Fayed
 
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Re: mac OS big sur: continued issue with localised voice taking over every second line

2020-12-10 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi Yuma,

I experience similar issues using german voices. VoiceOver switches between 
voices randomly. But not all the time but sometimes. I’ve been watching the 
voice section in VoiceOver becomming increasingly buggy from OS to OS. 
Hopefully Apple will fix this quickly.

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 10.12.2020 um 13:07 schrieb Yuma Decaux :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> So I am still having this random issue whenever I'm working which can only be 
> described as follows:
> prelimiary: voice over alex working fine
> 1-when scrolling down text edit, every second line stops anouncing, though 
> the line is full of tex
> 2-alternatingly alex and empty voice as I keep scrolling
> Remedy 1: I toggle voice over on and off
> 3-This time when voice was empty, it's replaced by the local voice (in my 
> case Rachel australia,)
> 4-At this point, alternates for a few lines between alex and rachel using 
> alex's pitch
> 5-As I keep scrolling, alternates between alex and a normal pitch of rachel
> 6-I keep going on, and it becomes alex only
> 
> However, this occurs intermittently during the day, and I keep having to 
> toggle voice over on/off and do the same shenanigan.
> 
> I checked again in my voice over utility/speech/voices and all categories are 
> set to alex with every parameter the same across all the columns.
> 
> Anyone have this issue persisting?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Yuma
> 
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Re: Finder Question About Folders Opening Automatically

2020-12-10 Thread Steve Matzura

The previews were off. I just forgot about left-arrowing to close the 
folder. All's well now.



On 12/9/2020 8:13 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Will do that, too. Tnx.


On 12/9/2020 8:10 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:

Turn off all previews in the menu.



On Dec 9, 2020, at 18:55, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I've had Macs of various stripes in my life since 2009, and I'm 
always stumped by the following problem when I set up a new one, 
which I just did today with the arrival of the Mini with the M1 
processor. If I display files and folders in a list view, as ai 
arrow down and encounter a folder, it automatically opens, showing 
me its contents in the list. I usually have that set to open if and 
only if I use the Command-Down Arrow command to do so. What setting 
do I need to change to stop folders from automatically opening, and 
return to the way they were on previous versions of MacOS? Some to 
whom I have put this question have insisted I use Column View which 
they say is much easier and more intuitive. To this, I say, thanks 
but no thanks, I like my list view, and I want it to behave as it 
has probably since Snow Leopard.



Thanks in advance.






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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread Muhammad Fayed

Thanks to all of you  for the correction. It is clear now how it behaves. 

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Yes, Just verified on my MBP 2108 with the touchbar. Holding Fn key down and 
> sliding across the touchbar reads out the various f# positions.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's what I said.
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, because that is the TouchBar, not the NumberRow keys.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
>> bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
>>> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
>>> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
>>> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
>>> modifier in combination with F-keys.
>>> 
>>> HTH. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
>>> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
>>> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But 
>>> your right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other 
>>> functions, it wouldn’t be the same.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, 
 and then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
 correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down 
 the Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
 
 Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
 holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
 than other TouchBar features.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Mohamed,
 
 Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
 then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
 like F2.
 Cheers
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel 
> it is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 
> is equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t 
> work. Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought 
> of it and asked.
> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread Dave Carlson

Donna,
Yes, Just verified on my MBP 2108 with the touchbar. Holding Fn key down and 
sliding across the touchbar reads out the various f# positions.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That's what I said.
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, because that is the TouchBar, not the NumberRow keys.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
> bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
>> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
>> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
>> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
>> modifier in combination with F-keys.
>> 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
>> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
>> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But 
>> your right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, 
>> it wouldn’t be the same.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
>>> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
>>> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down 
>>> the Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
>>> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
>>> than other TouchBar features.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mohamed,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>>> like F2.
>>> Cheers
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
 is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
 equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t 
 work. Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought 
 of it and asked.
 As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
 
 Thank you so much,
 
 Regards,
 
 Mohamed E. Fayed
 
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Quicktime in MacOs X Catalina problem

2020-12-10 Thread 'Fann2000' via MacVisionaries

Hi listers,
First, I am new to the list.  So, greetings to all.
Secondly, I used Quictime Pro with some success in Mac OS X previous versions, 
but under Catalina, the interface is completely different.  Apparently QT opens 
Screenshot App.  I can't figure out how to do screen recordings anymore.  Can 
someone help please?
Thank you very much.

Hatch.
 

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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread Traci Duncan

Shiny new toy syndrome, I like that!

Personally, I love my iPad mini. The size is brilliant. I think this harkens 
back to my childhood of wanting to be like the sighted students holding 
textbooks or having diaries. It just feels cute in my arms. Silly, I know. 
Braille books were huge! There’s the psychology for you. *insert face palm.

On a more adult level, lol! When a keyboard is paired with the mini it is like 
a touch laptop. I like the combo of typing on a keyboard, with the ability to 
swipe on the screen. Way back in 2010, I had the original iPad with a Zagg 
keyboard case. I thought it was the coolest thing! An accessible touch laptop.

I also like having a separate iOs device, so my phone isn’t doing everything.

Interesting discussion here.

Traci


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I fancy both. Lol But I worry that I’ve just got shiny new toy syndrome.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but 
>> then I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no 
>> need for both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s 
>> possibly because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be 
>> desired. The upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or MacBook, 
>> have no use for both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in particular 
>> then go for it. 
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
>>> world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my 
>>> funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
>>> sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That 
>>> has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no 
>>> question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I 
>>> agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I 
>>> can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in 
>>> the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very 
>>> intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really 
>>> come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. 
>>> The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all 
>>> the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the 
>>> iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and 
>>> typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
>>> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d 
>>> love to hear people’s thoughts.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

2020-12-10 Thread Traci Duncan

I am looking forward to the podcast about side loading apps. That’s awesome! 
Does this mean you could put the Amazon Alexa app on your Mac?

A little side question. How did you get voice to read out the time in that 
order? Mine says the date first. Also, I like how your battery status read how 
much until empty.

*Thumbs up,
Traci


> On Dec 9, 2020, at 5:50 AM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
> 
> I agree, I got it from you tubers and I should have thought a little before 
> using it here. Sorry.
> 
> I have MBP 2016 15” and sometimes it is sluggish also. I don’t know whether 
> they fixed it on more recent devices or not. I’m curious to know how it 
> performs on M1 devices since they are more responsive in general. I hope the 
> performance issues (related to accessibility in general) are solved to some 
> extent. 
> 
> I’ve just thought of an idea to make VoiceOver usage better on touch devices 
> and I will just send it to Apple accessibility team hoping they will consider 
> it seriously. This discussion inspired me.
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:48 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mohammed,
>> 
>> Hated is too strong a word. It’s just inconvenient. And yes, for the reason 
>> you describe.  I like the contextuality of the touch bar, and understand why 
>> Apple may have thought it a cool and innovative thing. But on my 2017 
>> Macbook Pro, it’s response is sluggish. I have to rub my finger around a 
>> bit, and often have to tap more than once to get it to activate. A simple 
>> keystroke, though less contextualized, would be much more efficient. The 
>> only place where I think the touch bar actually saves time is when I’m using 
>> imogis. It’s much easier to select an imogi with the touch bar, than to 
>> bring up that table and select one there. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:39 PM, Muhammad Fayed > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Regarding the Touch Bar, mentioned earlier in the conversation 
>>> 
>>> 1. On windows, with NVDA, you can Toggl keyboard help (or whatever its 
>>> name) that tells what’s under your finger. I use it with NVDA + 1, and 
>>> search for volume up (for example), then Toggle it back off, and press the 
>>> volume up.
>>> 
>>> To make things faster, I try where are these buttons relative to numbers. 
>>> It works for me because I depend mainly no F.J keys to know where am I on 
>>> the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> 2. There are no design changes in current version of M1 Macs (just to 
>>> illustrate clearly the difference between Intel and Apple Silicon).
>>> 
>>> 3. Could you please explain why it is hated? It’s better for me because I 
>>> don’t need to remember which button does what on specific application or 
>>> when we press/ not press function key. 
>>> 
>>> May be because it is slower in performing basic tasks like increasing 
>>> volume, play/pause music, adjust brightness, ….etc???
>>> 
>>> And thank you again Joseph for the review. 
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Joe,
 
 What do you mean by side loading? How does one do that?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:59 PM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
> 
> I just side loaded Bard Mobile and it works listened to 3 chapters in a 
> book. This is cool previously I was using Airfoil and airfoil satellite 
> to broadcast to my Mac from my iPhone. It could be the fact I had my 
> iPhone connected to my Mac but battery has dropped a little quicker today 
> my assumption being that maybe because I'm running apps not optimized for 
> the Mac.
> 
> I did try a Blind Fold game and it behaved poorly. I think do to gestures 
> not caring over between the two Voiceovers could be a reason. For some 
> reason I wasn’t able to choose a different voice from the default and 
> couldn’t speed them up. Once playing the game voices started sounding 
> strange. I believed this is do to Mac system voices maybe. It wasn’t. A 
> good experience. 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Wow!
>> That’s interesting.
>> I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook 
>>> Pro, he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome 
>>> tabs open, and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this 
>>> that he contacted others with review products to

Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

That's what I said.
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, because that is the TouchBar, not the NumberRow keys.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
> bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
>> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
>> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
>> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
>> modifier in combination with F-keys.
>> 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
>> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
>> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But 
>> your right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, 
>> it wouldn’t be the same.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
>>> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
>>> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down 
>>> the Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
>>> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
>>> than other TouchBar features.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mohamed,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>>> like F2.
>>> Cheers
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
 is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
 equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t 
 work. Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought 
 of it and asked.
 As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
 
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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

Yes, because that is the TouchBar, not the NumberRow keys.

- Brad -


On Dec 10, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
> modifier in combination with F-keys.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But your 
> right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, it 
> wouldn’t be the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
>> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
>> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down the 
>> Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
>> 
>> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
>> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
>> than other TouchBar features.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mohamed,
>> 
>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>> like F2.
>> Cheers
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
>>> is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
>>> equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t work. 
>>> Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought of it 
>>> and asked.
>>> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

That's interesting, because when I hold down the FN key and touch the touch 
bar, VO says the function key, e.g. f1, F2, etc.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
> pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
> Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
> NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
> modifier in combination with F-keys.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set 
> up, holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me 
> pretty much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But your 
> right, if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, it 
> wouldn’t be the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
>> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
>> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down the 
>> Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
>> 
>> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
>> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
>> than other TouchBar features.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mohamed,
>> 
>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>> like F2.
>> Cheers
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
>>> is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
>>> equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t work. 
>>> Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought of it 
>>> and asked.
>>> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread Brad Snyder

Hi Donna,
TouchBar settings have no effect on the behavior of NumberRow keys, when 
pressing the Fn key, with or without the VO modifier.
Fn key by itself does nothing.  Fn key plus VO modifier, will allow the 
NumberRow keys to perform VO functions usually performed when using the VO 
modifier in combination with F-keys.

HTH. 

- Brad -


On Dec 10, 2020, at 08:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set up, 
holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me pretty 
much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But your right, 
if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, it wouldn’t be 
the same.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down the 
> Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
> 
> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
> than other TouchBar features.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mohamed,
> 
> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
> like F2.
> Cheers
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
>> is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
>> equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t work. 
>> Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought of it and 
>> asked.
>> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
>> 
>> Thank you so much,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

I fancy both. Lol But I worry that I’ve just got shiny new toy syndrome.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but 
> then I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no 
> need for both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s 
> possibly because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be 
> desired. The upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or MacBook, 
> have no use for both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in particular then 
> go for it. 
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, 
>> I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a 
>> little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out 
>> which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has 
>> gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no 
>> question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I 
>> agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I 
>> can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the 
>> first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued 
>> with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up 
>> with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac 
>> is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the 
>> screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad 
>> that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing 
>> this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
>> 
>> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
>> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d 
>> love to hear people’s thoughts.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Thanks for the correction, Brad. Because of how I have my unction keys set up, 
holding down FN and VO and pressing the number keys is the same for me pretty 
much as having function keys which is why I wrote what I did. But your right, 
if someone has the function keys set to perform other functions, it wouldn’t be 
the same.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Actually, holding down the Fn key in combination with the VO modifier, and 
> then pressing a NumberRow key, will perform VoiceOver functions that 
> correspond with the respective F-key for that vO function.  Holding down the 
> Fn key alone, and then pressing a NumberRow key does not do anything.
> 
> Additionally, depending on your Keyboard Setting and TouchBar options, 
> holding down the Fn key, may cause the TouchBar to display F-keys, rather 
> than other TouchBar features.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 22:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mohamed,
> 
> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
> like F2.
> Cheers
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
>> is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
>> equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t work. 
>> Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought of it and 
>> asked.
>> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
>> 
>> Thank you so much,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Obviously, I’m not entirely sure, hence my post. :) What I can say concretely 
is:
I love that it’s smaller and lighter. I have mine paired with a Logitech 
keyboard which also serves as a case for the iPad. So the whole package is one 
very portable unit.

Though for the reasons I wrote a minute ago, it doesn’t quite feel like a 
laptop, I love that I can open Pages, work on a document, and then play a game 
on the same device. Theoretically that would now be possible on the MBA, but 
I’m unclear at this point whether all iPhone apps will work on the Mac. Joe has 
found that the Blindfold games do not, and I do have several of those on my 
i-devices.

I upgraded my phone to the 12 mini, so yeah, the speakers on my iPad are 
definitely bigger and better.

The keyboard on my iPad has function keys, where my Mac does not, though that 
would change if I got the MBA.

And, last but not least, I like the price tag. Lol Even if I went for the iPad 
Air, it’d still be cheaper.

That’s what I’ve got for now. :)
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 5:40 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts on blind folks using Ipads, Donna. I've often
> wondered about that.
> 
> Personally, I've never owned one and have no particular desire to get
> one for exactly the reason you cite. I can only see two arguments in
> favor:
> 
> *Potential superior speakers for better room filling sound. Is
> *this a fact? Or just a speculative possibility?
> 
> *Some apps will run on Ipad, but not on Iphone. To my knowledge
> *this is also false.
> 
> So, what's the attraction?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, 
>> I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a 
>> little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out 
>> which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has 
>> gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no 
>> question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I 
>> agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I 
>> can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the 
>> first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued 
>> with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up 
>> with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac 
>> is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the 
>> screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad 
>> that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing 
>> this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
>> 
>> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
>> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d 
>> love to hear people’s thoughts.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

I would say it’s somewhere in between. The iPad is slower, for one thing, and I 
find bluetooth keyboards—or at least mine, I don’t have the Apple Magic 
keyboard—to be a little bit less efficient than just using the keyboard on my 
Mac.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 5:42 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> To my mind an Ipad with an attached keyboard is more comparable to a
> laptop than to an Iphone. Am I wrong about that?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Why I like it is precisely the question I’m having trouble answering. One 
>> thing, I think, is the attached keyboard. It makes it feel more like I’m 
>> using a computer. Second, I think of my iPad as a fun device, so I think I 
>> associate it more with relaxation, and less with work. But in and of 
>> themselves, neither of those are very compelling reasons to upgrade. I could 
>> pair this same keyboard with my phone, and have a faster device, and also 
>> the experience of using a nonwork associated device.
>> 
>> As much as anything I’m just very curious about this. But I suppose we all 
>> make purchase decisions that are based more on emotion than rationality. And 
>> yes, I probably will just cave and upgrade my iPad. Lol
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Brandon Olivares  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting. Curious what you like about your iPad so much? I’ve often had 
>>> the same thought, that there’s not much point to an iPad for the blind. I 
>>> have a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, and an Apple Watch, but never felt the need 
>>> for an iPad.
>>> 
>>> But hey, if you enjoy it, and feel joy in the thought of upgrading it, then 
>>> go for it. Who says it has to have a good reason or to be absolutely 
>>> “rational”?
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 8:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Hi all,

 This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
 world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch 
 my funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
 sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. 
 That has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, 
 there’s no question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make 
 much sense. I agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. 
 And, since I can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have 
 an iPad in the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am 
 very intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t 
 really come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is 
 right. The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is 
 really all the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it 
 about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my 
 coffee and typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.

 This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
 that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, 
 I’d love to hear people’s thoughts.
 Cheers,
 Donna

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Re: FN key on Touch Bar macbook

2020-12-10 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Sorry, my bad. It's FN-Vo and the number keys. 
Donna

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 12:44 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> No, Fn key by itself does not make Number Row keys act as F-keys.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 00:12, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
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> Thank you all so much. 
> From both of your answers, it seams that :
> 1. fn+number is equivalent for pressing function key for that number.
> 2. Function keys are useless in many apps.
> 
> Correct?
> 
> Thank you again. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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>> Hi Mohamed,
>> 
>> Yes, that is correct. If you are in a place where function keys will work, 
>> then FN plus a number key will serve as a function key E.g. FN-2 will act 
>> like F2.
>> Cheers
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, when I press fn key + any number in the number row, I I feel it 
>>> is similar to pressing function key of the same number. e.g. VO+fn+8 is 
>>> equivalent to VO+F8 on non Touch Bar models. And sometimes it doesn’t work. 
>>> Maybe I do a wrong thing. I don’t remember exactly. I just thought of it 
>>> and asked.
>>> As I noticed, f11 and f11 doesn’t exist, do they?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> 
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Messages Very Different in Big Sur

2020-12-10 Thread Steve Matzura

Wow! The conversations list is now a collection, and to send a message 
to someone in the conversations collection, you first have to open the 
collection and then VO-Right to find the person or thread, not Down 
Arrow any more. The good thing is that if you just want to send a new 
message, VO-Spacebar will shortcut you right into the text field.



It used to be that as one arrowed through the conversations list, if 
there was a conversation with a lot of participants, you'd hear the 
first three names and then the phrase "and x others," where x was the 
number of others in that conversation. Now I hear all the names. Is 
there any way to revert this to the old behavior? It's awfully wordy 
otherwise.


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mac OS big sur: continued issue with localised voice taking over every second line

2020-12-10 Thread Yuma Decaux

Hi All,

So I am still having this random issue whenever I'm working which can only be 
described as follows:
prelimiary: voice over alex working fine
1-when scrolling down text edit, every second line stops anouncing, though the 
line is full of tex
2-alternatingly alex and empty voice as I keep scrolling
Remedy 1: I toggle voice over on and off
3-This time when voice was empty, it's replaced by the local voice (in my case 
Rachel australia,)
4-At this point, alternates for a few lines between alex and rachel using 
alex's pitch
5-As I keep scrolling, alternates between alex and a normal pitch of rachel
6-I keep going on, and it becomes alex only

However, this occurs intermittently during the day, and I keep having to toggle 
voice over on/off and do the same shenanigan.

I checked again in my voice over utility/speech/voices and all categories are 
set to alex with every parameter the same across all the columns.

Anyone have this issue persisting?

Thanks,

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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

To my mind an Ipad with an attached keyboard is more comparable to a
laptop than to an Iphone. Am I wrong about that?

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Why I like it is precisely the question I’m having trouble answering. One 
> thing, I think, is the attached keyboard. It makes it feel more like I’m 
> using a computer. Second, I think of my iPad as a fun device, so I think I 
> associate it more with relaxation, and less with work. But in and of 
> themselves, neither of those are very compelling reasons to upgrade. I could 
> pair this same keyboard with my phone, and have a faster device, and also the 
> experience of using a nonwork associated device.
> 
> As much as anything I’m just very curious about this. But I suppose we all 
> make purchase decisions that are based more on emotion than rationality. And 
> yes, I probably will just cave and upgrade my iPad. Lol
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting. Curious what you like about your iPad so much? I’ve often had 
> > the same thought, that there’s not much point to an iPad for the blind. I 
> > have a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, and an Apple Watch, but never felt the need 
> > for an iPad.
> > 
> > But hey, if you enjoy it, and feel joy in the thought of upgrading it, then 
> > go for it. Who says it has to have a good reason or to be absolutely 
> > “rational”?
> > 
> > Brandon
> > 
> >> On Dec 9, 2020, at 8:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
> >> world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch 
> >> my funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
> >> sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. 
> >> That has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, 
> >> there’s no question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make 
> >> much sense. I agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. 
> >> And, since I can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have 
> >> an iPad in the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am 
> >> very intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t 
> >> really come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is 
> >> right. The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is 
> >> really all the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it 
> >> about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my 
> >> coffee and typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
> >> 
> >> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
> >> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, 
> >> I’d love to hear people’s thoughts.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Donna
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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Thanks for your thoughts on blind folks using Ipads, Donna. I've often
wondered about that.

Personally, I've never owned one and have no particular desire to get
one for exactly the reason you cite. I can only see two arguments in
favor:

*   Potential superior speakers for better room filling sound. Is
*   this a fact? Or just a speculative possibility?

*   Some apps will run on Ipad, but not on Iphone. To my knowledge
*   this is also false.

So, what's the attraction?

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
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> 
> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, 
> I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a 
> little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out 
> which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has gotten 
> me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no question about 
> that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I agree with Joe, 
> that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I can’t see the 
> screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the first place. 
> But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued with the idea of 
> getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up with a good reason 
> why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac is a much better 
> proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the screen I need. And, 
> it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad that makes me like it? 
> Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing this email on it, not 
> on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
> 
> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something that 
> has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d love 
> to hear people’s thoughts.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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Re: The Psychology of technology

2020-12-10 Thread Angie Nutt

Hi

I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but then 
I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no need for 
both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s possibly 
because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be desired. The 
upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or MacBook, have no use for 
both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in particular then go for it. 

All the best
Angie

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, 
> I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a 
> little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out 
> which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has gotten 
> me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no question about 
> that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I agree with Joe, 
> that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I can’t see the 
> screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the first place. 
> But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued with the idea of 
> getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up with a good reason 
> why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac is a much better 
> proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the screen I need. And, 
> it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad that makes me like it? 
> Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing this email on it, not 
> on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
> 
> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something that 
> has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d love 
> to hear people’s thoughts.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: How to select items to be moved

2020-12-10 Thread Lorie McCloud

are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have been 
selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple matter of 
holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 

Lorie
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
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> Greetings All,
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> After an absence of a few years from the Mac environment, I now am stepping 
> back in; or at least trying.
>  
> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select items 
> in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my High 
> Sierra days.
>  
> Any guidance would be appreciated.
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> Most cordially,
>  
> Larry W. Honaker
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