Re: A broken button on Mac

[Muhammad Fayed]

Is it my bad to choose Voiceover on Mac vs NVDA on windows (plus what makes Mac 
better for me as a developer)?!

MacBook Pro is meant for productivity and professional users, why is it my 
fault that the best way to increase my productivity to use arrow keys for 
navigation and toggling quick nav on and off?!

Getting another keyboard is just telling me that Mac mini is more portable than 
MBP.

I hope there will be better solution than moving around with an external 
keyboard and trackpad. (I mentioned trackpad since I use it in some cases were 
keyboard shortcut won’t work because of conflicts)

I hope I could get to Apple authorized service provider soon to discuss a 
solution for it.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 



> On 6 Jun 2021, at 6:08 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have this sort of thing happen often at work, although is is due to 
> students picking at the keys for “fun”.  Basically, the fix is often very 
> difficult or impossible.  The tiny parts and clips that hold the key in place 
> are extremely difficult to work with.  Even a sighted Tech often will give 
> up.  I’m sorry, but the easiest fix is no fix, just live with the annoyance.  
> If a Tech can fix it, it may cost you their time to do so, otherwise, it’s a 
> new keyboard, which in both cases may not be worth the money.  You may get 
> lucky depending on how bent or damaged the hardware is that holds on the key, 
> but I’ve found that it’s not an easy task for a blind user.
> 
> later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Muhammad Fayed > > wrote:
>> 
>> The first. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Jun 2021, at 11:27 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that the button itself is broken, and will not attach to the 
>>> keyboard, or are you saying that the key is stuck and you can no longer 
>>> make it do what it’s supposed to.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Muhammad Fayed >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 My MBP butterfly keyboard right arrow key is broken and can’t fix in its 
 place any more. 
 
 Any recommendations please?
 
 Mohamed E. Fayed 
 
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Re: Login window keeps popping up!

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

The sysadminctl commands are the replacement for the dscl commands related to 
much of the user control.  I believe that the dscl set is going to be 
deprecated in a future release of the MacOS.  I’ve used the sysadminctl to 
remotely enable/disable the Guest account as well as manipulate the secure 
token status on APFS systems.  FYI, the secure token is often the main factor 
in causing people grief when erasing their systems.  There is always supposed 
to be an Admin user with the secure token attached, but sometimes, it gets 
messed up when during the initial user setup process.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I just discovered a keyboard command 
> sysadminctl 
> which includes:
> sysadminctl -screenLock  -password 
>  so I was able to type in terminal:
> sysadminctl -screenLock  off  -password my password 
> and it  reported that screen lock was turned off. Obviously my password is 
> not my password, but the string that matches my password was typed there.
> 
> Good luck!
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 17:10, Matthew Janusauskas > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>> accomplish this.
>>> 
>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>> • interact with it.
>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>>> most cases.
>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
 preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
 reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
> the case here.
> 
> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System 
> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make 
> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 
> minutes to an hour.  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select 
> Battery so we can check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to 
> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the 
>>> Lock button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> 

Re: Help with new external hard drive

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, .mov and .mp4 are both fine for completed projects.  Both are readable by 
QuickTime and both are upload able to YouTube.   In normal circumstances, Those 
do sound like completed projects, so moving them to the external should be 
fine.  There may still be project components left within your iMovie library, 
but they will not affect the end product that you’ve created.  These are left 
in iMovie in case you wish to redo anything.  They are good to be deleted if 
you don’t think that you’ll ever need those original clips.  yes, you should be 
able to do the cmd-c then cmd-option-v the .mov and .mp4 files over to the 
external.  Try it with a not-important file first though as I have seen things 
fails on occasion when using the move across volumes.  This was long in the 
past, so it may be totally fine now, but it’s always good to test on a nothing 
file.  If you wish to test it on one of your movies, just duplicate one of them 
and cmd-c/cmd-option-v the duplicate.  If it goes across fine, then you’re good 
to go.  In case you’re not familiar with the duplicate command, just navigate 
to the item you wish to duplicate, then press cmd-d.  It will make a copy of 
the original file with the word “Copy” added to the end.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:23 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, again thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will save 
> the email as I am not ready to do all of this quite yet. I’m thinking in a 
> few days. I may have more questions, I hope you don’t mind.
> I read your email twice and I have two very simple questions. I have not 
> uploaded anything to YouTube yet, I have saved my movies on my iPhone 
> therefore some of the files have the extension.MOV, a few other movies I have 
> saved on the Mac therefore the extension is MP4
> Does this matter? I mean the fact that these movies have different extension 
> names? Voiceover does announce them as QuickTime movies. They have been saved 
> after editing. If I move them to the external drive will I lose anything 
> because of the library’s?
> My second question is just I want to confirm if I copy the files and then use 
> the command option v will be moved to the drive and leave no trace on my Mac? 
> this is the point of buying an external hard drive, I want to fill up the 
> external drive and empty out the iMac drive. Thank you again for any help in 
> advance
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is 
>> already formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show 
>> up on your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the 
>> Mac.  I suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to 
>> your Mac:
>> 
>> • go to the Desktop.
>> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
>> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
>> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
>> checked.
>> • close this window.
>> • connect the drive.
>> • follow the prompts if any appear.
>> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
>> steps.
>> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
>> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>> • open the Disk Utility app.
>> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
>> • stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact with 
>> it.
>> • locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
>> • give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
>> (Journaled). Then press the Erase button.
>> 
>> After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You 
>> will now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which 
>> method you use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either 
>> MacOS Extended (Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.
>> 
>> Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
>> YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or just 
>> uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, as 
>> well as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the 
>> exported finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the 
>> external drive.  The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is 
>> comprised of both library and iMovie Project components, unless things have 
>> changed lately.  The 

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

The only way I was able to change the display sleep value in battery 
preferences and get it to stick was to boot into safe mode and do it from 
there. I’ve never had to do that before. 


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near the 
> bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to make 
> changes.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>> accomplish this.
>>> 
>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>> • interact with it.
>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>>> most cases.
>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
 preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
 reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
> the case here.
> 
> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System 
> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make 
> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 
> minutes to an hour.  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select 
> Battery so we can check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to 
> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the 
>>> Lock button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
 mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I 
 am really stumped!
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you mean that the Advanced button 

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

That was the first thing I checked. There is no lock on that preference pane. 


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near the 
> bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to make 
> changes.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>> accomplish this.
>>> 
>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>> • interact with it.
>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>>> most cases.
>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
 preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
 reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
> the case here.
> 
> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System 
> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make 
> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 
> minutes to an hour.  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select 
> Battery so we can check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to 
> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the 
>>> Lock button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
 mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I 
 am really stumped!
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to 
> first click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock 

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Tim, again thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will save the 
email as I am not ready to do all of this quite yet. I’m thinking in a few 
days. I may have more questions, I hope you don’t mind.
I read your email twice and I have two very simple questions. I have not 
uploaded anything to YouTube yet, I have saved my movies on my iPhone therefore 
some of the files have the extension.MOV, a few other movies I have saved on 
the Mac therefore the extension is MP4
Does this matter? I mean the fact that these movies have different extension 
names? Voiceover does announce them as QuickTime movies. They have been saved 
after editing. If I move them to the external drive will I lose anything 
because of the library’s?
My second question is just I want to confirm if I copy the files and then use 
the command option v will be moved to the drive and leave no trace on my Mac? 
this is the point of buying an external hard drive, I want to fill up the 
external drive and empty out the iMac drive. Thank you again for any help in 
advance
Regards Zoe


God the father chose her
God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is already 
> formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show up on 
> your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the Mac.  I 
> suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to your Mac:
> 
> • go to the Desktop.
> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
> checked.
> • close this window.
> • connect the drive.
> • follow the prompts if any appear.
> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
> steps.
> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> • open the Disk Utility app.
> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
> • stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact with 
> it.
> • locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
> • give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled). Then press the Erase button.
> 
> After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You will 
> now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which method you 
> use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.
> 
> Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
> YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or just 
> uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, as 
> well as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the exported 
> finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the external drive. 
>  The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is comprised of both 
> library and iMovie Project components, unless things have changed lately.  
> The drive icon will show up on your Desktop if you set the Finder Preferences 
> as I’ve suggested above, so copying between the internal Macintosh HD and the 
> external is easy-peasy by the regular copy and paste processes.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard 
>> drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard 
>> drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen 
>> instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? 
>> Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the first time? My 
>> second question is the following I want to move my iMovie files and some 
>> text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and 
>> then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the files best 
>> accomplished?
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
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Re: Any thoughts on the future of MacBook Pros in light of this WWDC?

[Herbie Allen]

I came across this just now: 
https://www.imore.com/xcode-may-have-just-leaked-new-intel-based-mac-pro?utm_source=im_tw_medium=tw_card_content=76102_campaign=social

> On Jun 7, 2021, at 16:54, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon, the only thing about this morning's presentation that very 
> much concerns me is that it appears that Mac OS Monterey it's very much going 
> to be designed for the M1 chip. This means that if one Hans a Machine based 
> on the Intel chip that things might not work as intended in the beginning. In 
> other words if it's the match that's clearly going to be designed for the new 
> processor. If one is running the owner processor there may be some challenges.
> 
> My largest concern however yes how are they going to implement directional 
> sound to match up with hearing aids didn't use that directional information. 
> Because right now hearing aid accessibility definitely has something to be 
> desired. I am curious to see  how while this new feature Will help, or hinder 
> those of us who we are, and must use hearing aids?
> 
> The other thing is I thought I read somewhere, that's safari may get some 
> accessibility improvements. Again Proof must be in the pudding. Another words 
> beta testing buy blame people this year ABC critical. And I certainly will a 
> very much involved in this endeavor because of being deafblind, and also 
> having a written expression disorder," dyslexia of writing”. These are just 
> my thoughts.
> 
> I hope everyone House OK Great rust of the day.
> 
> Maurice mines.
> 
> PS I have beta tested either the phone, or my MacBook or at least the last 
> five or six years. One thing I will never do after last year's fiasco, it's 
> better test new version of watchOS and less Apple pleasures in writing do not 
> remove voiceover from any better. Finally whenever I mention that I am a 
> braille user I get the constant comment but we don't no very many people who 
> use braille. My only thought here is how do they think we read and write? 
> Just some food for thought. Considering that an education and outside of 
> education they still think that less than 20% of us actually read and/or 
> right, are used braille. This is a very sad commentary.
>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I hope this note finds all of you staying safe and healthy and doing well.  
>> I'm’ writing because my wife and I just finished reading the highlights from 
>> the WWDC and were disappointed to see nothing about a new MacBook Pro to go 
>> with the upcoming Mac OS Monterey.  Considering that a new iMac came out 
>> just recently, and further considering that it’s been a while since the 16 
>> inch MacBook Pro got any love, I’m wondering if any of you have any opinions 
>> on how long the current 16 inch machine will remain the flagship of the 
>> MacBook line.  
>> 
>> Personally, I can’t imagine that sighted users won’t want state of the art 
>> hardware in a 16 inch form factor because they believe in screens and so on. 
>>  If I’m wrong,… oh well.  
>> 
>> While we don’t necessarily think in visual terms about stuff like this.  
>> This list comprises a group of the most Mac savvy people I know and I’d be 
>> interested if you’d be willing to share your opinions on what the future 
>> holds for laptop hardware in Mac land.  
>> 
>> I should get around to saying that my wife and I haven’t upgraded our Mac 
>> hardware since we bought a Mac mini for me and a 27 inch iMac for her  in 
>> 2010.  We haven’t been able to upgrade the OS on that hardware in years, 
>> (10.12.6,) and we just want to avoid buying new hardware that will, itself 
>> be frozen in, say, one OS upgrade.  See the problem?
>> 
>> All of you may decide not to express an opinion on any of this.  But I’D be 
>> grateful for any thoughts you’d be willing to share.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
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Re: Reinstalling big sur on macbook air

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Be careful when erasing a Big Sur volume, especially on a M1 computer. The last 
time I tried this, I accidentally erased the recovery partition, making the 
re-install much slower. On M1 Mac,s there is a special security key on a 
special partition of the SSD. If you erase this your computer becomes 
completely unusable until managed with special tools if I have read my blogs 
correctly. 
I would be tempted to create a new admin user and then use the user and group 
tools to delete your current user. Or else at least find a lists of steps 
online to follow.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hi,
> 
> I’m passing my macbook air 2017 that currently has BigSur installed onto a 
> member of my family.  I need to erase the hard drive and reinstall the 
> operating system.  What format is best for this process i.e. APFS or MacOS 
> journaled?
> 
> Many thanks
> Andrew
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Re: Mail Question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Interesting that this happened to me today. When I looked at the dialog  in:
Window->Activity Mail was doing sending and receiving and once that window 
cleared, Mail exited. I'm not sure if the activities window has a way to cancel 
out, but you can at least check the status before going to a force quit.
. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just discovered a keyboard command 
sysadminctl 
which includes:
sysadminctl -screenLock  -password 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 17:10, Matthew Janusauskas  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a report 
> via Feedback Assistant.
> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>> accomplish this.
>> 
>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>> • interact with it.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>> most cases.
>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
 Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
 the case here.
 
 Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System Preferences, 
 Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make sure that the 
 Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 minutes to an hour. 
  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select Battery so we can 
 check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 
 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, exactly.
> 
> Thanks for all your help!
> 
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the Lock 
>> button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I am 
>>> really stumped!
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to first 
 click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock the lock. 
  Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button should no longer be dimmed.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
> mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> It’s dimmed out..
> 
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim 

Re: File attirbutes

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe what you want to do is select your view and then open the view menu 
to view options. My computer indicates that command-J is a shortcut for this. 
In the dialog that opens there should be a check box to calculate all sizes A 
few lines below that is a make default if you want that choice to stick for all 
folders.

. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 19:45, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On my old I Mac, I had it so that the size of a folder was announced next to 
> it’s name…. How can I get this on my new MacBook Air?
> 
> For example, it would say, “casts Mac 300 g available)
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
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File attirbutes

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,

On my old I Mac, I had it so that the size of a folder was announced next to 
it’s name…. How can I get this on my new MacBook Air?

For example, it would say, “casts Mac 300 g available)

Thanks,
Cait

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Re: Login window keeps popping up!

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near the 
bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to make 
changes.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a report 
> via Feedback Assistant.
> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>> accomplish this.
>> 
>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>> • interact with it.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>> most cases.
>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
 Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
 the case here.
 
 Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System Preferences, 
 Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make sure that the 
 Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 minutes to an hour. 
  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select Battery so we can 
 check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 
 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, exactly.
> 
> Thanks for all your help!
> 
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the Lock 
>> button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I am 
>>> really stumped!
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to first 
 click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock the lock. 
  Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button should no longer be dimmed.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> 

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a report 
via Feedback Assistant.
Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in the 
battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a difference 
either. Any other suggestions to try?

Matthew


> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
> accomplish this.
> 
> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
> • interact with it.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
> most cases.
> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
>>> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
>>> the case here.
>>> 
>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System Preferences, 
>>> Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make sure that the 
>>> Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 minutes to an hour.  
>>> Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select Battery so we can check 
>>> its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 minutes 
>>> when on battery and even longer when on power.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, exactly.
 
 Thanks for all your help!
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the Lock 
> button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I am 
>> really stumped!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to first 
>>> click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock the lock.  
>>> Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button should no longer be dimmed.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> > wrote:
 
 It’s dimmed out..
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In that same Security & Privacy window, unlock the lock, then press 
> the Advanced button.  Check if it is set to logout after a certain 
> amount of inactivity.
> 
> Later…
> 

Re: Mail Question

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hey Donna: have you reported it to Apple Accessibility? How do they know it’s 
happening?


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:05:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail Question

Hi Dave,

Yes, I remember that now.  You are still in Mojave.  Well, a couple of things 
to mention.

1.  Apple will not update anything other than security patches for Mojave now.  
So, contacting Accessibility will give you some possible assistance, but Apple 
will not address an issue like that in an older OS.

2.  I wonder if your issue has to do with physical keyboard contacts more than 
an accessibility issue.  That is, maybe your key presses are not always 
reacting as they should.  You can test this by turning on your Keyboard 
commander and pressing any of the keys in that combination to see if they are 
responding on every press.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim,
I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to lose 
focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening on 
Mojave all along.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Les,

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi All,
So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will close 
eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a Force 
Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve this 
issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
Best,

Les

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Re: Reinstalling big sur on macbook air

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It should be APFS.  MacOS 13.4 and up all use APFS.  The installer should 
actually make your drive APFS even if you’ve formatted it as MacOS Extended 
(Journaled), but to save the hassle, just format it as APFS.

Later…


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> Hi,
> 
> I’m passing my macbook air 2017 that currently has BigSur installed onto a 
> member of my family.  I need to erase the hard drive and reinstall the 
> operating system.  What format is best for this process i.e. APFS or MacOS 
> journaled?
> 
> Many thanks
> Andrew
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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Yes, I remember that now.  You are still in Mojave.  Well, a couple of things 
to mention.

1.  Apple will not update anything other than security patches for Mojave now.  
So, contacting Accessibility will give you some possible assistance, but Apple 
will not address an issue like that in an older OS.

2.  I wonder if your issue has to do with physical keyboard contacts more than 
an accessibility issue.  That is, maybe your key presses are not always 
reacting as they should.  You can test this by turning on your Keyboard 
commander and pressing any of the keys in that combination to see if they are 
responding on every press.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was 
> a bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally 
> fixed in the latest update to Big Sur.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
>> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
>> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
>> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
>> on Mojave all along.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
>> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
>> hurting anything.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>>> least this is better than nothing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
 MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
 me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
 It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
 have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
 not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to 
 behave as it should?
 Best,
  
 Les
 
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Reinstalling big sur on macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m passing my macbook air 2017 that currently has BigSur installed onto a 
member of my family.  I need to erase the hard drive and reinstall the 
operating system.  What format is best for this process i.e. APFS or MacOS 
journaled?

Many thanks
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Re: Mail Question

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,
I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
> on Mojave all along.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is already 
formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show up on your 
Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the Mac.  I suggest 
that you do the following before connecting the drive to your Mac:

• go to the Desktop.
• press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
• if the General tab is not selected, select it.
• make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
checked.
• close this window.
• connect the drive.
• follow the prompts if any appear.
• if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
steps.
• make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
• press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
• open the Disk Utility app.
• in the table, locate and select your external drive.
• stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact with it.
• locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
• give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
(Journaled). Then press the Erase button.

After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You will 
now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which method you 
use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either MacOS Extended 
(Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.

Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or just 
uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, as well 
as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the exported 
finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the external drive.  
The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is comprised of both 
library and iMovie Project components, unless things have changed lately.  The 
drive icon will show up on your Desktop if you set the Finder Preferences as 
I’ve suggested above, so copying between the internal Macintosh HD and the 
external is easy-peasy by the regular copy and paste processes.

HTH.

Later…


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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using iMovie 
> to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my cooking 
> shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 episodes and 
> my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard drive from 
> the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard drive needs 
> formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen instructions are 
> pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? Do I need to know 
> anything about using the drive for the first time? My second question is the 
> following I want to move my iMovie files and some text documents onto the 
> hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and then using the move command 
> to the drive? How is moving the files best accomplished?
> Thank you in advance for any help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
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RE: Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

That’s a great suggestion. I am one of these individuals who immediately closes 
down an app when I am finished using it. I think I will stop doing that with 
Mail. I don’t mind an occasional hang, it’s just that right now, it’s been 
happening more often than the mail app closing properly. Thus, the annoyance.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail Question

 

Hi Donna,

 

When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
have better luck.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least once 
a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something that 
apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)

Cheers,

Donna

 





On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Les,

 

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.

Cheers,

Donna

 

Sent from my iPad





On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will close 
eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a Force 
Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve this 
issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?

Best,

 

Les

 

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Re: Mail Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Tim. I’ll give that a try.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:15 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
> messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
> Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
> etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
> wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
> have better luck.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least 
>> once a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something 
>> that apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 
>>> times out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  
>>> It’s not hurting anything.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Les,
 
 I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
 Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
 that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
 usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
 least this is better than nothing.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it 
> hangs. It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal 
> behavior. I have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, 
> but that does not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to 
> get Mail to behave as it should?
> Best,
>  
> Les
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Re: Mail Question

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Hi Donna,

When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
have better luck.

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least 
> once a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something 
> that apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
>> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
>> hurting anything.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>>> least this is better than nothing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
 MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
 me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
 It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
 have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
> on Mojave all along.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim,

Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least once 
a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something that 
apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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[Dave Carlson]

Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to lose 
focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening on 
Mojave all along.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
> least this is better than nothing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
>> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
>> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
>> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done 
>> a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
>> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
>> Best,
>>  
>> Les
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Re: Mail Question

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Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
> least this is better than nothing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
>> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
>> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
>> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done 
>> a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
>> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
>> Best,
>>  
>> Les
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Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

I appreciate your response. Thank you. So it's not my machine! The odd thing
is that sometimes Mail closes as it should, other times, it does not. Kate
from this list indicated the same thing. I wonder why Apple has not fixed
this one. I think I'll write Apple Accessibility about this. Thanks again.
Your assistance is always appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running Catalina 
with a 1 TB hard drive.
I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using iMovie 
to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my cooking 
shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 episodes and 
my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard drive from the 
Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard drive needs formatting 
but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen instructions are pretty 
straightforward. My first question is that correct? Do I need to know anything 
about using the drive for the first time? My second question is the following I 
want to move my iMovie files and some text documents onto the hard drive is it 
as easy as copying the files and then using the move command to the drive? How 
is moving the files best accomplished?
Thank you in advance for any help.
Regards Zoe


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RE: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[skipper8218]

I do not have a spare phone or second iCloud account and am starting to dread 
updates now after previous bugs.

I’m not going to install the update in the fall until there is proof that the 
release has stabilized.

I commend all the brave beta testers out there!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:31 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

BETA software is software that the company is making available so that bugs 
they could not find are found. If you have a spare machine and perhaps a spare 
iCloud account depending on your needs play with the software, and send back 
feedback. Now is the time when Apple wants to know what they broke this year. 
Not in October when they actually officially release the software. Apple If you 
read the statements when signing up for a developer or public beta from Apple, 
they put these recommendations near the top.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jun 8, 2021, at 09:23, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay, potential loss of data in the Cloud concerns me.

Does this apply to all devices?

Is 

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:07 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

Hello!

The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM unless 
you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. While the 
messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release with very few 
issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could possibly lose 
all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 

Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about a 
month.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn









On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz> > wrote:

 

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing


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Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[Jonathan Cohn]

BETA software is software that the company is making available so that bugs 
they could not find are found. If you have a spare machine and perhaps a spare 
iCloud account depending on your needs play with the software, and send back 
feedback. Now is the time when Apple wants to know what they broke this year. 
Not in October when they actually officially release the software. Apple If you 
read the statements when signing up for a developer or public beta from Apple, 
they put these recommendations near the top.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 09:23,   
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, potential loss of data in the Cloud concerns me.
> Does this apply to all devices?
> Is
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:07 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
> generation
>  
> Hello!
> The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM 
> unless you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. 
> While the messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release 
> with very few issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could 
> possibly lose all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 
> Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
> about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about 
> a month.
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
>> generation.
>> You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
>> above.
>> I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
>> software update.
>> On iPhone Se it is the same situation.
>> 
>> Happy installing
>> 
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RE: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[skipper8218]

Okay, potential loss of data in the Cloud concerns me.

Does this apply to all devices?

Is 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:07 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

Hello!

The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM unless 
you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. While the 
messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release with very few 
issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could possibly lose 
all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 

Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about a 
month.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz> > wrote:

 

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing


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Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello!
The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM unless 
you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. While the 
messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release with very few 
issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could possibly lose 
all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 
Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about a 
month.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
> generation.
> You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
> above.
> I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
> software update.
> On iPhone Se it is the same situation.
> 
> Happy installing
> 
> 
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Re: Any thoughts on the future of MacBook Pros in light of this WWDC?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Generally, WWDC never announces new hardware, it is all about the software. The 
primary exception is when a completely new architecture like  what happened 
last year.  Even then the hardware announced was specifically aimed at 
developers and was leased to developers, not sold.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 08:37,   
> wrote:
> 
> I think too Apple is facing chip shortages as are most other companies and 
> may just not be able to deliver the quantity they would want. The other 
> factor may be that they are just not ready to update the 16 model quite yet 
> as that group are heavy profetionals and they maybe trying to get a even more 
> powerful chip. This is why listening to rumors is okay but should be taken 
> with a grain of sault.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Any thoughts on the future of MacBook Pros in light of this WWDC?
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I hope this note finds all of you staying safe and healthy and doing well.  
> I'm’ writing because my wife and I just finished reading the highlights from 
> the WWDC and were disappointed to see nothing about a new MacBook Pro to go 
> with the upcoming Mac OS Monterey.  Considering that a new iMac came out just 
> recently, and further considering that it’s been a while since the 16 inch 
> MacBook Pro got any love, I’m wondering if any of you have any opinions on 
> how long the current 16 inch machine will remain the flagship of the MacBook 
> line.  
> 
> Personally, I can’t imagine that sighted users won’t want state of the art 
> hardware in a 16 inch form factor because they believe in screens and so on.  
> If I’m wrong,… oh well.  
> 
> While we don’t necessarily think in visual terms about stuff like this.  This 
> list comprises a group of the most Mac savvy people I know and I’d be 
> interested if you’d be willing to share your opinions on what the future 
> holds for laptop hardware in Mac land.  
> 
> I should get around to saying that my wife and I haven’t upgraded our Mac 
> hardware since we bought a Mac mini for me and a 27 inch iMac for her  in 
> 2010.  We haven’t been able to upgrade the OS on that hardware in years, 
> (10.12.6,) and we just want to avoid buying new hardware that will, itself be 
> frozen in, say, one OS upgrade.  See the problem?
> 
> All of you may decide not to express an opinion on any of this.  But I’D be 
> grateful for any thoughts you’d be willing to share.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: Mail Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a 
> Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
> Best,
>  
> Les
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Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,

So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will
close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done
a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve
this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it
should?

Best,

 

Les

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RE: Any thoughts on the future of MacBook Pros in light of this WWDC?

[josephlhodge]

I think too Apple is facing chip shortages as are most other companies and may 
just not be able to deliver the quantity they would want. The other factor may 
be that they are just not ready to update the 16 model quite yet as that group 
are heavy profetionals and they maybe trying to get a even more powerful chip. 
This is why listening to rumors is okay but should be taken with a grain of 
sault.

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Subject: Any thoughts on the future of MacBook Pros in light of this WWDC?

Guys,

I hope this note finds all of you staying safe and healthy and doing well.  
I'm’ writing because my wife and I just finished reading the highlights from 
the WWDC and were disappointed to see nothing about a new MacBook Pro to go 
with the upcoming Mac OS Monterey.  Considering that a new iMac came out just 
recently, and further considering that it’s been a while since the 16 inch 
MacBook Pro got any love, I’m wondering if any of you have any opinions on how 
long the current 16 inch machine will remain the flagship of the MacBook line.  

Personally, I can’t imagine that sighted users won’t want state of the art 
hardware in a 16 inch form factor because they believe in screens and so on.  
If I’m wrong,… oh well.  

While we don’t necessarily think in visual terms about stuff like this.  This 
list comprises a group of the most Mac savvy people I know and I’d be 
interested if you’d be willing to share your opinions on what the future holds 
for laptop hardware in Mac land.  

I should get around to saying that my wife and I haven’t upgraded our Mac 
hardware since we bought a Mac mini for me and a 27 inch iMac for her  in 2010. 
 We haven’t been able to upgrade the OS on that hardware in years, (10.12.6,) 
and we just want to avoid buying new hardware that will, itself be frozen in, 
say, one OS upgrade.  See the problem?

All of you may decide not to express an opinion on any of this.  But I’D be 
grateful for any thoughts you’d be willing to share.  

Thanks,
Kevin
  

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IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[Tibor Niesner]

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing


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iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[Tibor Niesner]

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing

Tibor Niesner

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IOS15 for iPhone 1st generation and iPad OS for iPad Mini 4

[Tibor Niesner]

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing

Tibor Niesner

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