Mastering the Macintosh E- Book

[Simon Fogarty]

HI to those members that were after the Mastering the Macintosh e-book,

I'm sorry to say that after trying to get this book from my books app on both 
my iPhone and an iPod touch  and into iTunes  I have not been able to get it 
downloaded on to ether my mac book pro or my windows machine.

It looks like the book is only there in my library but wont let me share or 
save it off the devices.

My apologies

Regards,


Simon F

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RE: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight

[Simon Fogarty]

Hmmm,

 Interesting one,

 I'm lost for ideas.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight

Yes, I have done that three finger double tap also. But when you do it, 
voiceover says speech off. This is not happening. It’s some kind of crazy bug. 
But I can’t find repeatable steps. So it’s hard to report.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Re this issue,
> 
> Can anyone think of what your doing prior to the voiceover loss to the device?
> 
> I'm wondering if you might  be some how muting vo with a 3 finger double tap  
> without realising it,
> 
> I've done this myself a number of times.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight
> 
> Yes, I have experienced this, but not as persistently as you have, Phil. My 
> solution is the same as yours. Turn voiceover off and on. But I only have to 
> do it once, and it doesn’t happen every day. This is both with an iPhone 7 
> Plus and an iPhone XR, so it is not limited to just iPhone 8.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For quite a while now, many many months, I have had the problem with my 
>> iPhone eight, always running the latest iOS, wherein voiceover would just 
>> shut up. All the sound effects would still be there but there would be no 
>> voice. My solution has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again 
>> with the triple click of the home button. However I have to triple click 
>> three or  four times before voiceover will come back on. It happens many 
>> times during a week, sometimes more than once in a day.  Is anybody else 
>> experiencing this problem? 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi


I use the standard version of vm ware fusion 10,

 I don't see that pro was needed but it really depends on what you want to do 
with it.
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Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 7:04 AM
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Subject: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Hey folks,

Wondering what your recommendations are on getting either VMware fusion pro or 
the standard version. Any pluses to the pro version in terms of accessibility?

Thanks,
Ibraheem

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RE: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Folks,

Re this issue,

Can anyone think of what your doing prior to the voiceover loss to the device?

I'm wondering if you might  be some how muting vo with a 3 finger double tap  
without realising it,

I've done this myself a number of times.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight

Yes, I have experienced this, but not as persistently as you have, Phil. My 
solution is the same as yours. Turn voiceover off and on. But I only have to do 
it once, and it doesn’t happen every day. This is both with an iPhone 7 Plus 
and an iPhone XR, so it is not limited to just iPhone 8.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> For quite a while now, many many months, I have had the problem with my 
> iPhone eight, always running the latest iOS, wherein voiceover would just 
> shut up. All the sound effects would still be there but there would be no 
> voice. My solution has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again with 
> the triple click of the home button. However I have to triple click three or  
> four times before voiceover will come back on. It happens many times during a 
> week, sometimes more than once in a day.  Is anybody else experiencing this 
> problem? 
> Sent from my IPhone
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RE: How to take screen recordings on Mac, iOS and Apple TV, Apple Insider, Front Page News

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Another great article,
 This will come in handy with recording video for beta feedb ack.

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Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 7:47 AM
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Subject: How to take screen recordings on Mac, iOS and Apple TV, Apple Insider, 
Front Page News

AppleInsider - Frontpage News - Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 11:11 AM How to 
take screen recordings on Mac, iOS and Apple TV
  
Tips
Apple has provided ways to record videos of your Mac, iOS, and Apple TV 
screens, but it doesn't make it easy to figure out how to do it. Here's how to 
get it done.

Someone's clearly forgotten the phrase 'be kind, rewind'.
Sometimes an image is not quite enough. If you want to show someone how to do 
something on their device -or you want to document a whole process -then you 
need more than a screengrab or screen shot. You need video. Apple has you 
covered for how to do this, and so do other companies.
Without any third-party tools, you can record a video showing the screen on 
your Mac, your iOS device or even your Apple TV. Then with certain third-party 
tools, you can do that same recording but zoom in on areas, edit the video, 
highlight some areas and blur others.
None of it is quite as fast as taking the odd instant screen shot, but none of 
it is really time-consuming -unless you want it to be.
If you choose, you can make an entire YouTube-style video presentation and 
actually, maybe that would be good. Perhaps you've got staff who need to do 
something a certain way for you, maybe nobody stays with your firm long enough 
to do it twice. Or maybe it's a job for you that is crucial, yet it's also a 
once in a year kind of thing.

The basics on iOS
There have been ways to film your iPhone or iPad screens before, but from iOS 
11, Apple made it particularly easy -so long as you know where to look.

Once you've added it to Control Center, recording is a matter of tapping the 
Record button What you need is the Screen Recording feature. It may be named 
very clearly and obviously, and using it is going to be extremely easy, but 
finding it is none of these things.
This Screen Recording feature is an optional part of Control Center. 

.   Go to Settings on your iPhone, iPod touch or iPad

.   Tap on Control Center

.   Choose Customize Controls

.   From the bottom list, More Controls, find Screen Recording

.   Tap the green plus sign next to it

This screen recorder will be added to Control Center. So now whenever you swipe 
down from the very top right of your device to call up this Control Center, 
you'll see the Screen Recording button there.
To record your iOS device's screen, tap that button, and you'll get a 
three-second countdown in the button's icon. From then until you tap the button 
again, anything you do on your device will be recorded.
When you are done, tap the button again. The resulting video is saved to your 
Camera Roll.

The basics on Mac
Press Command-Shift-5 on your Mac. This brings up the toolbar of options for 
taking screenshots, but it also includes video settings. The middle section of 
icons features one button for recording your entire screen and another for 
recording part of it.
Make your choice, and as soon as you've clicked on either of these buttons, you 
get a new one at the far right of the toolbar, called Record.
If you've clicked to record only part of the screen, you will also get a 
highlighted box showing you which portion will be recorded. That box has grab 
handles and you can resize or move it anywhere you need. 

Command-Shift-5 brings up the Mac's screenshot and screen recording options 
Then click Record and that portion, or the entire screen, will be recorded.
There'll be a Stop icon in your menu bar and that will be recorded along with 
everything else.
When you click it, the recording stops and you get a brief glimpse of a 
thumbnail-sized image at the bottom right of your Mac's screen. Click on that 
and you can do the same markups and sharing of the video that you could with 
screenshots.
If you don't do this right away, you can later on find the screen recording 
saved on your desktop.
You can change where it's saved, and select other settings such as a timer 
countdown before the recording starts, by click on the Options drop down in the 
screen recording toolbar.
Very nicely, if you later come to record a portion of the screen, macOS will 
start off assuming it's the same portion. 
That's one big advantage over the older way of doing it, which was to record 
your screen using QuickTime Player. You can still do that -launch the app, 
choose File and New Screen Recording -and it can record the whole or a portion 
of screen just as it ever did, but it doesn't remember the portion.
Yet QuickTime Player is still good to keep around, because right now it is the 
only way in software to record your Apple TV's screen.

The basics on Apple TV
On a 

RE: Putting an Alias on the Desktop

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi dave 

On a mac / mac book device do a Command shift and  D keys and the  desktop 
should become the default screen 
Note this is from the finder.

Then command key and v will paste what you need to the desktop
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Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 11:18 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Putting an Alias on the Desktop

Tim,
Okay, then it’s not clear to me just how to get to the desktop. I can select 
desktop in the Finder, but cannot paste the alias there. Where exactly (or how 
exactly) is the desktop to be found?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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RE: Looking for information on how to subscribe to the Apple beta testers email list?

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Yeah Maurice 

 The following should help you if no one else has passed it on previously.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of maurice.mines
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 7:26 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Looking for information on how to subscribe to the Apple beta testers 
email list?

Hello, my subject line pretty much says that all. I’m having beta test issues 
but of course cannot discuss the open meet on a list. So I am wondering if 
there is an email list that has been set up specifically for the purpose of 
those of us were beta testing discussing issues amongst ourselves. I hope 
someone has information that could be helpful? 
Thank you in advance.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.


PS one final small question, is when Kong even usable with VoiceOver?

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RE: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

[Simon Fogarty]

Mark there is so much I could say,

 But I wont because most of it is bad language.

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Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 3:36 AM
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Subject: RE: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

Ah, My Dear Simon.  You've got it my friend.  (big smile).

Okay, because I couldn't resist, I am going to paste in three comments, about 
Apple Card, from Twitter that made me laugh:


Comment 1:
Gently rub the fragile & special Apple credit card with microfiber. Also keep 
it away from any normal clothing. Maybe even have special ‘bearers’ wearing 
black turtlenecks that carry it around in an aluminum box with silk lining. 
Peak Apple right here. It was fun while it lasted.

Comment 2:
Never place near other cards.
Do not look directly at card.
Anoint with myrrh and frankincense once per month. 

Comment 3:
Thou shall have no other cards before Apple Card.
Thou shall make no graven image of the Apple Card.
Thou shall not use the Apple Card in vain.
Remember Black Friday and keep it Holy.
Honor Thy Apple Employees.

(big smile).

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:35 AM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

Ok, I'm concerned I'm going crazy or the world has completely flipped the 
cheese from it's cracker.

don’t' use compressed air on one of the toughest light weight metals available 
on the planet, note they use titanium on space craft due to weight and 
toughness.

Really, compressed air is bad!? 

 Don’t' put the apple credit card in your denam jeans or leather pants pockets,

Unless I have a job interview or go to a wedding or possibly a funeral  I only 
ware jeans,  How does fabric take the colour out of a titanium credit card?

Don't put your card near a magnet  ok, makes sence,

 I'll take my credit card,
And 2 eftpos cards out of my phone case which has a magnetic catch and oh my 
iPhone has a charging coil which could have magnetic effects,

 What the F* is this company doing
Who comes up with this stuff.

This is like the put your iPhone in the microwave to charge it gag,

 

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Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 2:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

Hello Everyone,

I can hardly catch my breath as I have just been reading the seemingly endless 
jokes about the Apple Card and its unique cleaning instructions, on Twitter, on 
the Apple Insider feed.  

Man!  I've never come across such a wonderful treasure trove of jokes in my 
life.  

I wonder if Apple is laughing, also.  Probably not but, then again, they are 
the ones who released the cards so, let the jokes fall where they may.

All of the jokes are based on the article, posted below:

Enjoy,

Mark

How to clean your Apple Card
See how to protect and maintain the condition of your titanium Apple Card.
 
About the titanium Apple Card
The titanium Apple Card is laser-etched with the card holder's name and the 
Apple logo. A white finish is achieved through a multi-layer coating process 
that's added to the titanium base material.
If your titanium Apple Card comes into contact with hard surfaces or materials, 
it's possible that the coating can be damaged.
 
How to clean your titanium Apple Card
If your titanium Apple Card comes into contact with contaminants that can cause 
stains, follow these steps to clean your card:
1.  Gently wipe with a soft, slightly damp, lint-free microfiber cloth.
2.  Moisten a soft, microfiber cloth with isopropyl alcohol and gently
wipe the card.
Don't use window or household cleaners, compressed air, aerosol sprays, 
solvents, ammonia, or abrasives to clean your titanium Apple Card.
Some fabrics, like leather and denim, might cause permanent discoloration that 
will not wash off.
 
How to safely store and carry your titanium Apple Card
.   Store your titanium Apple Card in a wallet, pocket, or bag made of
soft materials.
.   Place your card in a slot in your wallet or billfold without
touching another credit card. If two credit cards are placed in the same slot 
your card could become scratched.
.   Don't place or store your titanium Apple Card card near magnets. If
your card is placed close to a magnetic latch on a purse or bag, the magnetic 
strip can become demagnetized.
.   Don't place your titanium Apple Card in a pocket or bag that
contains loose change, keys, or other potentially abrasive objects.
Learn more
.   See how to request a replacement titanium Apple Card
.   Learn how to clean your other Apple products

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RE: when making phone calls.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kawal,

Could you flick me an email off list please?

si...@fogarty.net.nz

Cheers,

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Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 8:49 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: when making phone calls.

Hello. 

Yesterday I was travelling and I had my I phone connected to my Aftershokz and 
Apple watch. When I received a call, the phone would ring and I would hear the 
sound in my Aftershokz headset. However when the person started to speak the 
voice would only be heard on the I phone speaker. Is there a setting in the 
phone where you can hear the sound routed automatically so if your head set is 
connected and you have your Apple watch connected the voice will be heard in 
your headset please.

I hope all this makes sense.

Thank you very much.

Kawal.
 

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RE: when making phone calls.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kawal,

I some times get this also,

I find that if I take my earpods out of one ear and put it back in then things 
kick in to life correctly.

 Have you tried turning the after shocks off and back on to push the connection 
back to the phone?

 I also know that if the phones are connected to one device I have to change 
manually to the other but I'm not sure if your aftershocks do this type of 
thing.

Hope this helps.

Simon F


-Original Message-
From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 8:49 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: when making phone calls.

Hello. 

Yesterday I was travelling and I had my I phone connected to my Aftershokz and 
Apple watch. When I received a call, the phone would ring and I would hear the 
sound in my Aftershokz headset. However when the person started to speak the 
voice would only be heard on the I phone speaker. Is there a setting in the 
phone where you can hear the sound routed automatically so if your head set is 
connected and you have your Apple watch connected the voice will be heard in 
your headset please.

I hope all this makes sense.

Thank you very much.

Kawal.
 

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RE: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok, I'm concerned I'm going crazy or the world has completely flipped the 
cheese from it's cracker.

don’t' use compressed air on one of the toughest light weight metals available 
on the planet,
note they use titanium on space craft due to weight and toughness.

Really, compressed air is bad!? 

 Don’t' put the apple credit card in your denam jeans or leather pants pockets,

Unless I have a job interview or go to a wedding or possibly a funeral  I only 
ware jeans,
 How does fabric take the colour out of a titanium credit card?

Don't put your card near a magnet  ok, makes sence,

 I'll take my credit card,
And 2 eftpos cards out of my phone case which has a magnetic catch and oh my 
iPhone has a charging coil which could have magnetic effects,

 What the F* is this company doing 
Who comes up with this stuff.

This is like the put your iPhone in the microwave to charge it gag,

 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 2:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to Protect and Clean your Apple Card, Apple Support

Hello Everyone,

I can hardly catch my breath as I have just been reading the seemingly endless 
jokes about the Apple Card and its unique cleaning instructions, on Twitter, on 
the Apple Insider feed.  

Man!  I've never come across such a wonderful treasure trove of jokes in my 
life.  

I wonder if Apple is laughing, also.  Probably not but, then again, they are 
the ones who released the cards so, let the jokes fall where they may.

All of the jokes are based on the article, posted below:

Enjoy,

Mark

How to clean your Apple Card
See how to protect and maintain the condition of your titanium Apple Card.
 
About the titanium Apple Card
The titanium Apple Card is laser-etched with the card holder's name and the 
Apple logo. A white finish is achieved through a multi-layer coating process 
that's added to the titanium base material.
If your titanium Apple Card comes into contact with hard surfaces or materials, 
it's possible that the coating can be damaged.
 
How to clean your titanium Apple Card
If your titanium Apple Card comes into contact with contaminants that can cause 
stains, follow these steps to clean your card:
1.  Gently wipe with a soft, slightly damp, lint-free microfiber cloth.
2.  Moisten a soft, microfiber cloth with isopropyl alcohol and gently
wipe the card.
Don't use window or household cleaners, compressed air, aerosol sprays, 
solvents, ammonia, or abrasives to clean your titanium Apple Card.
Some fabrics, like leather and denim, might cause permanent discoloration that 
will not wash off.
 
How to safely store and carry your titanium Apple Card
.   Store your titanium Apple Card in a wallet, pocket, or bag made of
soft materials.
.   Place your card in a slot in your wallet or billfold without
touching another credit card. If two credit cards are placed in the same slot 
your card could become scratched.
.   Don't place or store your titanium Apple Card card near magnets. If
your card is placed close to a magnetic latch on a purse or bag, the magnetic 
strip can become demagnetized.
.   Don't place your titanium Apple Card in a pocket or bag that
contains loose change, keys, or other potentially abrasive objects.
Learn more
.   See how to request a replacement titanium Apple Card
.   Learn how to clean your other Apple products

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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210399



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RE: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

This I’m finding interesting,

I’m noticing the same thing on or between my iPhone x and apple watch Series 4,

I’m noticing that the messages I have  showing on my devices don’t sync with 
each other correctly if at all.

I have a happit of deleting messages that are one off or not part of a 
conversation with friends or family,

If I delete one of these messages through the messages app on my watch it 
doesn’t delete from my phones messaging app,

And the same is happening in the opposite way,

I thought this might be due to running a beta on my phone but it appears there 
may be more going on.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

I only syncronize between and iPhone and a Mac, but what I’ve found does work 
for me is to go into Messages on my Mac, VO navigate over to the conversations 
table, select a different conversation and briefly look at contents, then go 
back to the original conversation and everything seems to be OK. Sounds weird, 
but works for me.

Pete De Vasto


On Aug 23, 2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

These work more or less normally for me.  Sometimes, messages take a little 
extra time to sync, especially when messing with changing phone numbers in 
group conversations, but works as it should in time.  Contacts don't always 
sync immediately, but will within less than one minute after opening the app.  
If you have messages syncing to iCloud, then I suggest that you turn iMessages 
off on the iPhone, restart the iPhone, then re-enable the iMessages service.  
Because things are synced to iCloud, you shouldn't lose anything.  Similarly, 
you can do this on each of your other devices including your Mac if things 
don't fix themselves after doing it on the iPhone.  A simple restart will not 
suffice, it seems like the resources connected with the iMessage service need a 
reset, which is done by kind of resetting the service as I mentioned.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 23, 2019, at 07:56, Steve Matzura 
mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:

Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, though, 
that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to find out it's not 
just me. LOL.


On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Steve,
Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, iPad, 
and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process for 
iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync continuously 
when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of items in the 
Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar work fine and 
are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even started looking 
at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern there.
Dave Carlson

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RE: Don't Do This!

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

Yes Bluetooth although if the Magic track pad 2 is like the wifi keyboards then 
you could plug in a lightening / usb charging cable and have a wired external 
track pad also

 Note I haven't tried this with the track pad, but it works with my magic 2 
keyboard.

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Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 4:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Don't Do This!


Well, that does sound intriguing. I’ll have to look at the cost to see if it 
makes sense. Is it Bluetooth?

Dave Carlson
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RE: Killing the Touch Pad

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

Not really,

It's something you really need to get use to doing

Raise your hands including the heal of your hand above the touch pad.

I keep doing the same thing myself 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Killing the Touch Pad


Okay, I know that I should get used to it but when I use my MacBook Pro with 
THAT TRACKPAD THE SIZE OF  New Jersey, I’M ALWAYS MANAGING TO DRAG A FINGER OR 
A THUMB ACROSS IT AND JUMPING TO NEW WINDOWS.
I HAVE TURNED OFF (UNCHECKED) EVERY FUNCTION OF THE TRACK PAD IN SYSTEM 
PREFERENCES, AS WELL AS IN THE VOICEOVER UTILITIES UNDER THE TRACK PAD 
COMMANDER. BUT STILL IT REACTS TO MY LAZY FINGERS. VERY IRRITATING.
SO FAR, I HAVE MANAGED TO STOP THE ANNOYANCE BY LAYING A THIN SHEET OF ALUMINUM 
((ALUMINIUM TO YOU U.K. FOLKS) OVER THE TOP, AND THEN TAPING A SHEET OF PRINTER 
PAPER ON TOP. FINALLY NO UNWANTED REACTIONS.
BUT I’D LIKE A MORE ELEGANT SOLUTION. Is there a way anywhere in the OS to 
completely remove power or function to the touch pad?
Dave Carlson
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Apple Card Launches, Titanium Apple Watch Leak, Cheaper HomePod in 2020? — MacRumors

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Lists,

I got this earlier today,

Thought  folks might like to see what is rumoured,

SF
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sender.]
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sender.]
Apple Card 
Launches
 in United States
Following five months of waiting and a limited rollout earlier in August, the 
Apple Card is finally available for all qualifying customers in the United 
States.
 iPhone users aged 18 or older can apply for the card in the Wallet app by 
tapping on the plus icon in the top-right corner, and if approved, begin using 
the digital version of the card within minutes.

Once approved, customers can then order a physical, titanium Apple 
Card
 for purchases at stores that do not accept contactless payments. Apple has 
even shared cleaning instructions for the 
card
 — keep it away from leather wallets and denim jeans apparently!

Apple also announced that more merchants will begin offering 3% Daily 
Cash,
 starting with Uber and Uber Eats.

Read Full 
Article
Popular Stories
Aug 22, 2019
2019 iPhones With Multi-Angle Face 
ID
 and Cheaper HomePod as Early as 2020
[Image
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sender.]While
 it has yet to be announced, we're likely under three weeks away from Apple's 
traditional September event, where the company is widely expected to unveil new 
iPhone and Apple Watch models.

Ahead of time, Bloomberg has outlined several expectations for the devices, 
including 2019 iPhones having improved water and shatter resistance and 
multi-angle Face 
ID
 that even works flat on a table.

The report also calls for a 16-inch MacBook Pro with slimmer 
bezels,
 an iPad Pro refresh, and a new 10.2-inch iPad later this year, as well as 
higher-priced AirPods with water resistance and noise cancelation and a cheaper 
HomePod with fewer tweeters as early as 2020.

Tuesday, September 10 is the predicted 
date
 of Apple's event.
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New Ceramic and Titanium Apple Watch Models Uncovered in watchOS 6 
Beta
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 days after respected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo 
assured
 that new Apple Watch models will launch later this year, four unreleased model 
numbers
 were filed with the Eurasian Economic Commission.

The new Apple Watch lineup will likely include new titanium and ceramic models 
based on leaked assets discovered in the watchOS 6 
beta.

The new Apple Watch models, and likely new 
bands,
 are expected to be unveiled alongside new iPhones in September.
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RE: Book "Mastering the Mac"

[Simon Fogarty]

Did you not get it either,

Hell I gotta do something about my memory

Yeah I’m not even able to get it in to mhy books on my notebook but I’ll try it 
over the weekend.
I’m wondering if it will let me copy and paste between apps


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 7:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Book "Mastering the Mac"

Hopefully it’ll work as I wasn’t going to comment until you brought it up, but 
you tried sending it to me back in January and it didn’t work. I was hoping it 
was something I did wrong. And it would work for the others.


On 23/08/2019, at 1:09 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Well like I stated to a previous requester,

Send me your iTunes / apple id email and I'll send it / share it with you,

However this may not be working now that the book is not available in the book 
library.

-Original Message-
From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 11:07 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Book "Mastering the Mac"



How can I get this book?

Kristeen
On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Dave,

I did
I'll get that on it's way later today.

Cheers.


Simon

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Book "Mastering the Mac"

Simon,
Not sure if you got my reply, but the Apple ID is 
dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net> Please let me know 
where I can find the book once you’ve sent it over. Thanks again.

Dave Carlson
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RE: Setting downtime on the IPHone.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jessica,

 It appears to be all setup now through screen time,

 I don't know about a locking the home button but there is an option to set a 
pin / pass code to lock kids out of the settings when the locks all kick in,

 
I must admit that I haven't used this stuff myself as I'm not a parent so 
therefore don't need to be that responsible for others 

Hell I probably shouldn't have a phone myself!

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Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 7:05 AM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Setting downtime on the IPHone.

I just got Hannah a phone to give her for her birthday, and need some tips on 
setting downtime on it.  I’ve found. All the options for.  Privacy., what apps. 
To allow, and the like, but am a little confused. On how to set the. Parameters 
for how long she can use it, so she won’t be on it all the time.  If I wanted 
her to be able to use it for about 30 minutes after she gets home from school, 
which would be approximately 4-4:30 in the afternoon, how would I go about 
doing that, and is there an option to disable the button that would basically 
allow her to bypass settings?  I’d really appreciate any information anyone can 
give me, sense I really want to have it all set up for her by the time her 
birthday rolls around.

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RE: Book "Mastering the Mac"

[Simon Fogarty]

Well like I stated to a previous requester,

 Send me your iTunes / apple id email and I'll send it / share it with you,

 However this may not be working now that the book is not available in the book 
library.

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Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Book "Mastering the Mac"



How can I get this book?

Kristeen
On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Dave,

I did 
I'll get that on it's way later today.

Cheers.


Simon 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Book "Mastering the Mac"

Simon,
Not sure if you got my reply, but the Apple ID is dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net 
Please let me know where I can find the book once you’ve sent it over. Thanks 
again.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Book "Mastering the Mac"

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

 Ive sent tht book through to yor itunes address 
It should come through as an email and then you should be able to add it as a 
book to your books app I believe.

Let me know how you get on.

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22/08/2019, at 4:35 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> Not sure if you got my reply, but the Apple ID is dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net
> Please let me know where I can find the book once you’ve sent it over. Thanks 
> again.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
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RE: Book "Mastering the Mac"

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Hi Dave,

I did 
I'll get that on it's way later today.

Cheers.


Simon 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Book "Mastering the Mac"

Simon,
Not sure if you got my reply, but the Apple ID is dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net 
Please let me know where I can find the book once you’ve sent it over. Thanks 
again.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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RE: The Apple Card Is Here! How to apply for Apple Card - Apple Support

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes at this point.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 7:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Apple Card Is Here! How to apply for Apple Card - Apple Support

Is it only available in the US?

> On 21 Aug 2019, at 01:25, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> How to apply for Apple Card
> Learn how to apply for Apple Card.
> 
> What you should know about Apple Card
> Apple Card is a new kind of credit card created by Apple. Integrated 
> into the Wallet app and designed for iPhone and a healthier financial 
> life, Apple Card sets a new level of privacy and security:
> . It takes just minutes to apply.
> . There are no fees, including annual, late, over-the-limit, or other
> hidden fees.*
> . You can see your offered initial credit limit and Annual Percentage
> Rate (APR) before you accept your offer, and your credit score isn't 
> impacted until after you accept.
> . Easily track and manage your spending with Apple Card in Wallet.
> . Get a percentage of your Apple Card purchases back as Daily Cash.
> *Variable APRs range from 12.99% to 23.99% based on creditworthiness. 
> Rates as of August 2, 2019.
> 
> How to apply for Apple Card
> Watch the video to see how to apply for Apple Card > Or follow these 
> steps:
> 1. See if you're eligible
> To get Apple Card, you must meet these requirements:
> . Be 18 years or older, depending on where you live.
> . Be a U.S. citizen or a lawful U.S. resident with a valid, physical
> U.S. address that is not a P.O. Box. You can also use a military address.
> . Own a compatible iPhone with the latest iOS version.1
> . Use two-factor authentication with your Apple ID.
> . Sign in to iCloud with your Apple ID.
> . If you have a freeze on your credit report, you need to temporarily
> lift the freeze to apply for Apple Card. Learn how to lift your credit 
> freeze with TransUnion here.
> . You might need to verify your identity with a Driver license or
> State-issued photo ID.
> 2. Start your application
> First, make sure you're signed in to iCloud with your Apple ID. Then, 
> open the Wallet app on your iPhone and tap the add button  . Select 
> Apple Card and tap Continue.
> You need a compatible iPhone with the latest iOS version.
> 3. Fill out your information
> Follow the steps on the next few screens to provide this information:
> . Your first and last name, date of birth, and phone number
> . Your home address
> . The last four digits of your Social Security number and country of
> citizenship
> . Your annual income, which can include self-employment income,
> retirement income, investment dividends, and more If you're asked for 
> more information, learn what to do.
> 4. Agree to the Terms & Conditions
> Tap Agree to accept the Apple Card Terms & Conditions.
> 5. Accept your offer
> When your application is approved, you are shown an initial credit 
> limit and APR offer. To accept the offer, tap Accept Apple Card. You 
> have up to 30 days to accept your offer and your credit score is not 
> affected until after you accept.
> 
> If you accept, Apple Card is added to Wallet on your iPhone.
> To decline your offer, just tap No Thanks.
> 
> After you accept your offer, you can start using Apple Card to make 
> purchases with Apple Pay. When you make purchases with Apple Card, you 
> can start to get a percentage of each purchase back as Daily Cash. You 
> can set Apple Card as your default payment card for Apple Pay, App 
> Store, Apple Music and other Apple services, and also request your 
> physical titanium Apple Card after accepting your offe r.
> 
> If you're asked for more information
> In some cases, Goldman Sachs2 needs additional information to evaluate 
> your application. You could be asked to provide your full Social Security 
> number.
> To protect your identity, you might also be asked to capture your 
> driver's license or State-issued photo ID:
> . Scan the front of your Photo ID and tap Continue
> . Scan the back of your Photo ID and tap Continue
> To rescan your Photo ID, tap Scan Again.3 Goldman Sachs might ask you 
> to provide additional information on financial assets. In some cases, 
> Goldman Sachs might request additional information about your 
> relationship with Apple to further evaluate your application.
> You can choose not to provide additional information at any point. If 
> you choose not to share additional information, Goldman Sachs is 
> unable to approve your application.
> If you need help applying for Apple Card, contact Apple Support.
> 
> How to add Apple Card on your other devices You can add Apple Card to 
> your other devices if you're signed in to those devices with the same 
> Apple ID that was signed in to iCloud on the iPhone you used to apply 
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> Add Apple Card to Apple Watch
> 1.Open the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, then go to 

RE: Suddenly unable to send text messages? And more

[Simon Fogarty]

Why does this sound like I’ve heard it in the passed couple of weeks?

I know I’ve had this happen myself recently as well.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 7:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suddenly unable to send text messages? And more

Funny you should ask that, I’m on Vodafone and my wife is on 2 degrees, and I 
can’t remember if we had this issue when she was on Vodafone but I suspect not. 
I know it is nothing to do with our devices as it was happening on our old 5s’s 
and we both upgraded to 8+’s at the same time.


On 20/08/2019, at 5:35 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Petrus,

Do you both have the same 
provider?From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Suddenly unable to send text messages? And more

Sorry, I didn’t mean to hijack this message but as it was to do with text 
messages and iMessages I thought I’d ask.
My wife and I both have iPhones and we have checked the settings on both 
devices and they look the same. However when my wife sends me an iMessage I 
receive it fine, and then a few seconds or minutes after I get the same message 
again but in the text message format. It doesn’t happen the other way around, 
she only receives iMessages from me. And any other friends that I have with 
iPhones I only get the iMessage without it doubling up as a text as well.
Has anyone seen this before?



On 20/08/2019, at 10:47 AM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Mary, you’ve probably already done this, but just to be sure, go into Settings 
> Messages. Make sure that “Send as SMS when iMessage isn’t available” is set 
to on, and then also a little below that there’s a section called SMS/MMS, make 
sure that MMS Messaging is set to on.

Hope that other than this little frustration you and yours are having a good 
vacation! :-)

Pete De Vasto



On Aug 19, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We are on vacation, but I have a cell connection on my T-Mobile phone an 
iPhone. For some reason, when I try to send text messages to a couple of people 
who do not own iPhones, people to whom I have previously sent messages, I’m 
getting notifications that the message send failed. I don’t get it.


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: The iBook "Mastering the Macintosh with Voiceover"

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh and send that to 
si...@blinky-net.com


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 7:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: The iBook "Mastering the Macintosh with Voiceover"

This iBook was being offered for free by the author back in 2014. I was also 
mentioned on Applevis as being a good resource for using numbers and pages on 
the Mac. It’s no longer available in the U.S. App Store. Does anyone have a 
copy they can post to dropbox?

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RE: The iBook "Mastering the Macintosh with Voiceover"

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

Can yo tell me what if you have one is your iCloud account?

Or what your personal email address is?

I'd prefer you send me what your apple id account is,

I've got this book and can share it with you 

Cheers.


Simon F


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Subject: The iBook "Mastering the Macintosh with Voiceover"

This iBook was being offered for free by the author back in 2014. I was also 
mentioned on Applevis as being a good resource for using numbers and pages on 
the Mac. It’s no longer available in the U.S. App Store. Does anyone have a 
copy they can post to dropbox?

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RE: Suddenly unable to send text messages? And more

[Simon Fogarty]

Petrus,

Do you both have the same provider?From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Suddenly unable to send text messages? And more

Sorry, I didn’t mean to hijack this message but as it was to do with text 
messages and iMessages I thought I’d ask.
My wife and I both have iPhones and we have checked the settings on both 
devices and they look the same. However when my wife sends me an iMessage I 
receive it fine, and then a few seconds or minutes after I get the same message 
again but in the text message format. It doesn’t happen the other way around, 
she only receives iMessages from me. And any other friends that I have with 
iPhones I only get the iMessage without it doubling up as a text as well.
Has anyone seen this before?


On 20/08/2019, at 10:47 AM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Mary, you’ve probably already done this, but just to be sure, go into Settings 
> Messages. Make sure that “Send as SMS when iMessage isn’t available” is set 
to on, and then also a little below that there’s a section called SMS/MMS, make 
sure that MMS Messaging is set to on.

Hope that other than this little frustration you and yours are having a good 
vacation! :-)

Pete De Vasto


On Aug 19, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We are on vacation, but I have a cell connection on my T-Mobile phone an 
iPhone. For some reason, when I try to send text messages to a couple of people 
who do not own iPhones, people to whom I have previously sent messages, I’m 
getting notifications that the message send failed. I don’t get it.


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Try using fn plus left arrow key for getting to the start of the row,
And fn plus to get to the end of the row.


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Max,
Thanks for getting me started. However the CMD Left/right arrow does work to go 
to the last cell in a row with data, but the Cmd up/down only moves to row 1 or 
row 9091, and my data ends long before that row. I’ll try a couple other 
spreadsheets to see if there’s something unique with this one.

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RE: working printers

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for that,

 Much appreciated.

Simon F

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Hi Simon,
I have an HP Laserjet Pro 281FDW (at least I think that's the model number). 
Its an all-in-one color laser printer with wifi and ethernet.
Its the best printer I've ever owned. It works every time. Setup on the mac is 
a breeze, just plug it into your router, launch system prefs and hit add 
printer and that's it.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 8/19/19, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> Hey Simon,
> I use the  Brother MFC-J4420DW and it works really well.
> Hope that helps,
> Ibrahim
>
> Mistakes sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 8:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Listerrs,
>>
>> I’m looking for a new Scanner / printer,
>>
>> What types of printers are people using now days?
>>
>> I’m looking for something that has WiFi  and Wired network connection 
>> plus is an MFD multi function device, Scanner, Printer, Copier
>>
>> If anyone has suggestions I’d appreciate it.
>>
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working printers

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listerrs,

I'm looking for a new Scanner / printer,

What types of printers are people using now days?

I'm looking for something that has WiFi  and Wired network connection plus is 
an MFD multi function device,
Scanner,
Printer,
Copier

If anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.

Cheers.

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RE: Apple TV Channels F A Q: Services, pricing, availability, and everything else you need to know, Macworld

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Mark,

 I wonder how we will get on for this content here in NZ,

 We can subscribe to the likes of Netflicks or amazon prime so it will be 
interesting to see what other channels we get access to.



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Subject: Apple TV Channels F A Q: Services, pricing, availability, and 
everything else you need to know, Macworld

Apple TV Channels F A Q: Services, pricing, availability, and everything else 
you need to know

You can buy and watch third-party streaming services right within Apple's TV 
app, but support is limited.
By Jason Cross
Staff Writer, Macworld July 31, 2019 03:20 PM PT 

With iOS 12.3, Apple is refreshing the TV app and adding a new feature called 
Apple TV Channels. Channels lets you subscribe to third-party streaming 
services like CBS All Access or HBO, right from within the TV app.
You can watch that content in the TV app, served directly from Apple, without 
the need to install other apps.
Here's everything you need to know about which services are available as Apple 
TV Channels, what they cost, and how they work.

Updated 07/31/19: 
CBS All Access is now available in Apple TV Channels, for $9.99 per month.

How do I get Apple TV Channels?
To get Channels, you'll need to update your iPhone or iPad to iOS 12.3, or your 
Apple TV HD or Apple TV 4K to tvOS 12.3. The TV app is not yet available on 
macOS, but it's coming later this year.

Update to iOS 12.3 or tvOS 12.3, and you'll see a list of Channels in the TV 
app.
The TV app will also be available this year on Roku, FireTV, and smart TVs from 
several brands including Samsung, Sony, LG, and Vizio.

How do I subscribe to a Channel?
This part is easy. In the TV app on your iOS device or Apple TV, just scroll 
down in the main Watch Now tab-a list of channels should be prominently 
displayed. Most will have a button that says "Try it Free." Selecting this 
brings up an in-app-purchase approval screen showing the length of the trial 
(usually one week) and the recurring subscription price after the trial is over.
When you're browsing a Channel's content (see below), you'll be presented with 
Try it Free buttons on shows and movies, too.

Subscribing to Channels is fast and easy, and you don't have to install any 
other apps.

How does playback work?
Once you're subscribed to Channel, you'll see shows and movies recommended 
directly in your Watch Now tab. 
As you scroll down in the Watch Now tab, you'll also see a horizontal list of 
Channels represented as circular icons. Select one and you'll see everything 
available on that Channel (whether you subscribe to it or not).
 IDG
You play back shows from Channels directly in the TV app, instead of being 
kicked out to the service's own app.
Select a show, and you'll see an info card showing seasons, episodes, cast and 
crew, and more, along with a prominent "Play" button. On Apple TV, you might 
see a different format, something like "Play first episode" and another button 
for "Add to Up Next."
If you subscribe to the Channel, you can play content right here, directly, 
without having to install any other apps. 

What Channels are available, and what do they cost?
During its "Show time" event on March 25, Apple promised channels from a lot of 
other partners. Here's the list of all the Channels we know of, along with 
their subscription price (if we know it).
All subscriptions are month-to-month with a 7-day free trial. There are no 
yearly subscription options for Channels.
.   Acorn TV ($5.99)
.   Arrow Video Channel ($4.99)
.   Britbox (unknown)
.   CBS All Access ($9.99)
.   Cinemax ($9.99)
.   CollegeHumor Dropout (unknown)
.   Comedy Central Now ($3.99)
.   CuriosityStream ($2.99)
.   Epix ($5.99)
.   Eros Now (unknown)
.   HBO ($14.99)
.   History Vault ($4.99)
.   Lifetime Movie Club ($3.99)
.   MTV Hits ($5.99)
.   Mubi ($10.99)
.   NickHits (unknown)
.   Noggin (unknown)
.   Pantaya (unknown)
.   PBS Living ($2.99)
.   Showtime ($10.99)
.   Shudder ($5.99)
.   Smithsonian Channel Plus ($4.99)
.   Starz ($8.99)
.   Sundance Now ($6.99)
.   Tastemade ($4.99)
.   Up Faith & Family (unknown)
.   Urban Movie Channel ($4.99)

While the new TV app will expand to over 100 countries, the list of available 
Channels may vary from one to the next, as will pricing.
Are you wondering how the Channels prices compare to subscribing within each 
service's native app, or on the web? We have a comparison guide.

What if I already subscribe to one of these services?
If you subscribe to any of these services, you won't be able to use your 
current subscription as a Channel in the TV app. Most of the native apps 
integrate with the TV app, so you'll see content in the Watch Now tab, and your 
shows and movies will appear in Up 

RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Dave,

No issues,

 That's what this list is about.

Everyones here to help everyone else.

 Although I'm still thinking ET has lost his home phone number and has just 
decided to stay, 

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Sent: Friday, 16 August 2019 5:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

Simon and E.T.,
Seems to be working now. What I did:
Located the Documents folder using the Dock, and opened.
Copied all the folders and files I wanted to have synchronized.
Verified that any change I made on Mac showed on iPhone, and vice versa — Voila!
Created an alias for the Documents folder on my Mac Desktop for rapid access.
Re-built other alias for individual files so that they pointed to the correct 
locations.

Thanks very much for helping with this.

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RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

Then simple 
If you update a file in any of those folders then the file should be updated on 
the phone or your mac as well as the other device because it's saved in one 
place but shared through the iCloud drive service.



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Simon,
Answering your question on how did I add folders to my files app…They appear 
there because they are copied to the iCloud Drive.

Dave Carlson
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RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

 As you probably know, 
With iCloud drive on your mac computer enabled you have specific folders sync'd 
to the iCloud environment 
I think it's documents, desktop  by default.

I can't remember if they are included in time machine backups  by default but 
you could have a look at your time machine back up drive and see if they are 
showing in the backed up content.


If they are included then if you put the folders your wanting to add in to your 
documents folder which should be in iCloud drive then  that way everything 
should be sync'd and backed up as you require it.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2019 2:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

Simon,

I understand what you are suggesting. However the “fils” app on the iPhone is 
the interface to iCloud Drive. I do have iCloud Drive enabled on my iPhone.

I’m wondering if I cannot have those files and folders on my Mac hard drive, 
but instead have to move them to the iCloud Drive and always access them there, 
whether on my Mac or on. my iPhone. If so, I’d just need to set up an alias to 
the iCloud Drive on my Mac desktop to make it easier to get at that set of 
files and folders.

If this is the case, then how would I ensure that these files get incrementally 
backed up using Time Machine?

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RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Dave,

How did you add them to files?

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Sent: Friday, 16 August 2019 1:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Simon,
They are visible but static.

Dave
Woodworker, engineer, musician, Oregonian, and pioneer


On Aug 15, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

But if he can see them then surely they are syncving?

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

Hi,

You are not you mistaken. They should be syncing. Make sure that iCloud Drive 
is checked in settings on your iPhone, and that the specific applications such 
as Pages or Numbers are also checked in iCloud settings on all devices.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I have files in the iCloud Drive that show up on my iPhone in the files app. 
> They are hopelessly out of date. Why do I think these files should 
> automatically synchronize between the iPhone and Mac, as I make changes to 
> them using either device? Where am I going wrong?
> 
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RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

On your mac you have iCloud drive,
What about on your iPhone 
Do you have iCloud drive synched  or are you some how copying your folders from 
your mac to your files application?

To me if you update the files in the shared iCloud drive folders (Mac ) then 
the files should have updated time / date stamps to say you've updated them.

If the files / folders viewed through your phone are not showing the same time 
/ date stamps then they are not updated on your phones files app.

  Try using the iCloud Drive option under settings / iCloud  so that you get 
the iClud drive share setup on the phone as a live connection.

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Sent: Friday, 16 August 2019 1:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

I may have mis-stated what is happening.

I have several folders from my Mac hard drive copied to iCloud Drive. I can 
access those file from my iPhone using the files app. But what I was expecting 
is that when I change the file either on my iPhone or on my Mac, that the file 
would be changed across both platforms.

I’m thinking that simply copying the files and folders from the Mac is not the 
correct approach for using the iCloud drive, since there appears to be no 
linked connection between the Mac hard drive and iCloud drive.

Is that why I’m not getting what I expected?

If so, how would I be able to have files that reside on my Mac hard drive be 
available to view and edit on my iPhone, that would allow them to always be 
synchronized?

Dave Carlson
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RE: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

But if he can see them then surely they are syncving?

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Files in iCloud Drive Between Mac and iPhone

Hi,

You are not you mistaken. They should be syncing. Make sure that iCloud Drive 
is checked in settings on your iPhone, and that the specific applications such 
as Pages or Numbers are also checked in iCloud settings on all devices.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I have files in the iCloud Drive that show up on my iPhone in the files app. 
> They are hopelessly out of date. Why do I think these files should 
> automatically synchronize between the iPhone and Mac, as I make changes to 
> them using either device? Where am I going wrong?
> 
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RE: Using the Mac after a long time

[Simon Fogarty]

I’d go with that,

Buy it some flowers and see if it lets you back in the good books.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 5:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using the Mac after a long time

I just turned voice over off and on again, and that worked fine. However I have 
now restarted the Mac and done a OS update, and I just  turned off the Mac 
completely and back on again. I know that the Touch ID was having problems with 
my finger print as well so hopefully it’s all fixed now.  If I didn’t know 
better I’d say the Mac was upset with me for ignoring it for so long.


On 15/08/2019, at 4:58 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

Your mac book is one with the touch bar if I remember correctly?
Did you power the machine off completely or just turn vo off / on again?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 2:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using the Mac after a long time

Well this isn’t the only thing my Mac does that others don’t seem to do. Like 
pressing the control key to stop voice over talking works fine on my wife’s Mac 
but I have to press it two or three times before voice over shuts up sometimes 
on my Mac. If I start keyboard help on my wife’s Mac and press the control key 
voice over clearly says control to tell me what the key is but if I do it on 
mine it will say cont, but can’t seem to tell me what the key is called by 
saying the entire word. So far it seems to be the only key that doesn’t ’
 seem to work correctly.



On 15/08/2019, at 1:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,


Not normal behavior as far as I know. I took a month of vacation in July, and 
returned home to a MacBook Pro that worked normally.

Later…

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Petrus,

Not something I’ve heard of to be honest,

Sorry to hear about your wrist,

Hope it’s on the mend,

Take it easy withit, I did that skiing 25 years ago and still get problems with 
it today.


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 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 1:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using the Mac after a long time

Hi all,
This is the first time I’ve used my Mac to type on for  over six weeks as I had 
a broken wrist. I did notice something interesting when I opened the lid. 
Voiceover was totally quiet, but still on as far as I could tell. I had to turn 
off voiceover and then turn it on again before I could get it to talk. Sop even 
though I fixed the problem I was wondering if this is normal or if it is one of 
those annoying little things that computers do from time to time.
Petrus
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RE: Using the Mac after a long time

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Your mac book is one with the touch bar if I remember correctly?
Did you power the machine off completely or just turn vo off / on again?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 2:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using the Mac after a long time

Well this isn’t the only thing my Mac does that others don’t seem to do. Like 
pressing the control key to stop voice over talking works fine on my wife’s Mac 
but I have to press it two or three times before voice over shuts up sometimes 
on my Mac. If I start keyboard help on my wife’s Mac and press the control key 
voice over clearly says control to tell me what the key is but if I do it on 
mine it will say cont, but can’t seem to tell me what the key is called by 
saying the entire word. So far it seems to be the only key that doesn’t ’
 seem to work correctly.


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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,


Not normal behavior as far as I know. I took a month of vacation in July, and 
returned home to a MacBook Pro that worked normally.

Later…

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Petrus,

Not something I’ve heard of to be honest,

Sorry to hear about your wrist,

Hope it’s on the mend,

Take it easy withit, I did that skiing 25 years ago and still get problems with 
it today.


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Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 1:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using the Mac after a long time

Hi all,
This is the first time I’ve used my Mac to type on for  over six weeks as I had 
a broken wrist. I did notice something interesting when I opened the lid. 
Voiceover was totally quiet, but still on as far as I could tell. I had to turn 
off voiceover and then turn it on again before I could get it to talk. Sop even 
though I fixed the problem I was wondering if this is normal or if it is one of 
those annoying little things that computers do from time to time.
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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RE: Using the Mac after a long time

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Hi Petrus,

Not something I’ve heard of to be honest,

Sorry to hear about your wrist,

Hope it’s on the mend,

Take it easy withit, I did that skiing 25 years ago and still get problems with 
it today.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2019 1:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using the Mac after a long time

Hi all,
This is the first time I’ve used my Mac to type on for  over six weeks as I had 
a broken wrist. I did notice something interesting when I opened the lid. 
Voiceover was totally quiet, but still on as far as I could tell. I had to turn 
off voiceover and then turn it on again before I could get it to talk. Sop even 
though I fixed the problem I was wondering if this is normal or if it is one of 
those annoying little things that computers do from time to time.
Petrus
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RE: Parallels ?

[Simon Fogarty]

Parallels is a vm environment,

Doesn’t work well for us if you use a screen reader,
Or at least it didn’t
 Virtual box or vm fusion are what you want to look at if you don’t want to go 
with bootcamp.

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Subject: Parallels ?

I have a police scanner that can only be programmed with Windows based software 
.  I heard there is a program called Parallels that may work with the Mac . Has 
anyone had experience  with it ?

Ben C.  N2kpv
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RE: App store makes me mad.

[Simon Fogarty]

Been able to do that for years.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2019 2:16 AM
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Subject: Re: App store makes me mad.

And in future, when an update is downloaded, instead of continuing with the 
installation one can close the process and copy the installer from the 
Applications folder to another location.

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On 8/12/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> They have modified the method by which the App Store provides the 
> MacOS update installers.  It no longer downloads a full installer, 
> only a very small app which is coded to access most of its resources 
> from the Internet.  If you want the full download, you need to get it 
> from Apple's support pages on the various updates.  I don't have the 
> exact address right now, but a Google search relating to MacOS Mojave 
> full installer should yield positive results.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 05:09, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I would like to do a usb install disk on mojave but i can’t seem to 
> download it.
> App Store is not letting me.
> I search for Mojave in app store and it finds MacOS mojave.
> Then there is a show button but nothing more.
> When i click on mojave i only get a preview with a lot of reviews and such.
> No way to download it.
> Any help is appreciated.
> I really don’t like the new app store.
> /A
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RE: Iphone headphones suggestions?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi karen,

The power beats pro are a form of earpods but have  a hook over your ears to 
hold them in,
 They also insert slightly into the ear and have a nice sound but not as clear 
as the apple earpods series 2,

Really if your looking for a good quality over ear headphones for audio 
engineering etc then you will be best to go to a store and try different 
options in a situation that you can control the audio you test the phones with 
so you are able to get a real view of the products working in the way you want 
to be working with them.
Headphones and stereo speakers are the same 
You need to try before you buy so you get the product best your situation 

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Sent: Monday, 12 August 2019 2:22 PM
To: list voiceover 
Subject: Iphone headphones suggestions?

Hi everyone,
First, thanks for the help regarding my misplaced iPhone voice.  Took some 
doing, and another person,  with  in the end every voice setting needing to be 
properly set.
My headphones goals are rather specific.  granted am likely going to call a 
music gear store like sweetwater  for suggestions as well, but thought I would 
check here given how long you folks have been using the IPhone.
My intention at least for a while, is to use a composing program, Symphony Pro, 
on my IPhone.  More than likely this is the only item I will be using the phone 
for, its unlocked and I wish to keep it that way.
What that means though is wanting good quality meaning good at producing sound 
quality headphones.  I do not want earbuds,  my ears are small, and they tend 
to fall out, so something with a sturdy hook if not a traditional fit.  the 
IPhone 5 still has a headphone jack, giving me more choices as well.
So anyone know of a strong on sound quality headphone  with a solid fit that 
will work  IPhone wise?
Thanks,
Karen

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RE: created dot files?

[Simon Fogarty]

The dot file name is a linux / unix file formatting thing.

The dot at the start of a file name was used to hide the file in the unix / 
linux OS.

 Hence as Tim said they should be hidden in the Mac OS 
But very much visible in a windows file explorer.

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Subject: Re: created dot files?

I delete them on my braille display *all* the time, have never had an issue.

On Aug 9, 2019, at 11:01 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

The dot files are usually found when you have an MSDOS or Windows formatted 
drive connected to your Mac. These files are in visible on a Mac formatted 
system. 99% of the time these files are very small and of no consequence. I 
suggest you leave them alone as they are so small andinsignificant to things. 
Do not delete them though.

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RE: created dot files?

[Simon Fogarty]

Are you moving the USB device between a mac and a windows machine by any chance?

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Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2019 2:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: created dot files?

Hi,

I have found these files appear whenever I copy and paste a file. I think 
they're somehow related to clearing the file. I find that if I empty my trash 
when I'm done and before I eject the external drive if that's what I'm working 
with.

HTH

Gabe



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> On Aug 9, 2019, at 5:33 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Hi folks.
> So I’m going to sync my dropbox on my local  hard drive.
> The last time I did this, There were a lot of files created with dot in front 
> of the file names.
> Just wondering if I tell Spotlight not to index that folder, will the dot 
> files still be created?
> These files are also being uploaded to my dropbox account as well.
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RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

I think it's the infa gram UV 

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 9:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Wow, that's a lot of complications.  which face is that? I use the modular, and 
it has five.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Just thinking about it,
> 
> I use the watch face with the most complications on it, I think it is 
> 8, So with that and the dock I'm pretty sure I'd cover most of my 
> required apps,
> 
> Thanks Mark,
> Good thought, I'll have to play more with this and see what happens.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 9:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> And of course, now that I've posted to the list and got all of you messing 
> with this, my apps are staying in the exact order in which I want them. lol  
> Given past experience, I'm not confident this will last forever, but I've now 
> put the watch on the charger twice, and my app order hasn't changed.
> 
> Great suggestion about the dock, Mark.  I don't use it often, I think out of 
> habit as much as anything else.  But, that's a great way to make sure that 
> the apps I use the most are easily accessible.  However, Simon's right that 
> this only works for a few apps, but it probably will meet my needs.  I'll 
> play around with the dock more over the next few days and see how it goes.
> 
> thanks to all for your thoughts on this.  they have been helpful.  Sometimes 
> we get in ruts in how we approach our technology and it's great to have so 
> much good input from a list like this to help keep us thinking about other 
> ways to accomplish our tasks.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:02 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> You are quite welcome.  I know how important these things can be, believe 
>> me, I do.
>> 
>> So, let me offer another suggestion.
>> 
>> I have found that it is much easier and simpler to arrange the apps in a 
>> preferred order, via the phone, using the Dock feature.
>> 
>> So, here is the scenario:
>> 
>> 1.
>> On the phone, open the Watch app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Select Dock.  A screen will appear upon which you may arrange your apps in 
>> any order you prefer.  For example, currently, I have my recent apps listed 
>> at the top, followed by the Messages app, then Settings, Timer, etc.
>> 
>> Once you get everything all nice and tweaked, and you're ready to roll:
>> 
>> 3.
>> On the watch, just press the long side button instead of the Digital Crown, 
>> and you will see the list of your favorite apps in the order of your 
>> choosing.
>> 
>> Oh, one more thing, you can clear the list of recent apps by using the 
>> close-all-apps key sequence.  
>> 
>> To close all apps on your Apple Watch:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Press and hold the long side button on the watch until the power-off and 
>> other device closing options are displayed.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Now, after releasing the side button, press and hold the Digital Crown until 
>> your normal watch face appears.
>> 
>> That's all there is to it.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:01 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Wow, the list view is really different.  It takes so long to scroll through 
>> the apps!  I could probably get used to it, but I've always used the grid 
>> view.  However, that difference may explain why you prefer arranging apps on 
>> your phone and I don't.  In grid view, trying to arrange the apps on the 
>> phone is very confusing, at least in my opinion.
>> 
>> However, what I am trying to accomplish would presumably be the same in 
>> either view.  I want the apps I use the most to be closest when I enter the 
>> apps page.  Using grid view, I've been able to accomplish that, but they 
>> just never stay put.  It's the strangest thing.
>> 
>> thanks for messing around with this, Mark, I appreciate it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>>

RE: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that's what I've got on my 13" pro 2015,

I'll give it a try.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave

Mojave is the same so try it there.

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On 8/5/2019 5:08 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
> You meaning in mac os beta?
> 
> I'm not running that beta currently,
> 
> But I'll try it in mac os 10.14.5 which is currently instalkled.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2019 11:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave
> 
>  iOS is fine. Try this in the Mac app store.
> 
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> On 8/5/2019 2:30 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Good question,
>>
>> I know I've just done this on my phone with IOS 13 PB 4
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 4:10 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave
>>
>>   Is this doable with Voiceover in the Mac app store?
>>
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RE: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

You meaning in mac os beta?

I'm not running that beta currently,

But I'll try it in mac os 10.14.5 which is currently instalkled.
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iOS is fine. Try this in the Mac app store.

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On 8/5/2019 2:30 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Good question,
> 
> I know I've just done this on my phone with IOS 13 PB 4
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave
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>  Is this doable with Voiceover in the Mac app store?
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RE: Bluetooth Devices

[Simon Fogarty]

So I'm picking s omething along the lines of a dead man switch that if your 
phone goes ouyt of range of the device or the signal of the device then it 
sounds some kind of alarm to let you know your leaving it behind!

 
Hey what about an apple watch or Bluetooth headphones that are playing audio 
from your phone and when you leqave it behind 
After a while the audio will stop playing which should let you know you left 
your phone behind you some where.

Or the apple watch and you can use ping to find your phone when you leave it 
behind.

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Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2019 10:35 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Devices

Hi!
What you mean is something that for example connects to the Iphone or 
disconnects from it while reaching a specific range.
What would your usage be for such a device?
/A

> 5 aug. 2019 kl. 23:16 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
>   Is there such a device as this? Something that can be attached to an item 
> and set a range in the iPhone to trigger when the item in question is more 
> than say 20 feet away? Ever go someplace and leave something behind? 
> Intriguing, yes?
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RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Just thinking about it,

I use the watch face with the most complications on it,
I think it is 8,
 So with that and the dock I'm pretty sure I'd cover most of my required apps,

 Thanks Mark,
Good thought, I'll have to play more with this and see what happens.



-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 9:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hi all,

And of course, now that I've posted to the list and got all of you messing with 
this, my apps are staying in the exact order in which I want them. lol  Given 
past experience, I'm not confident this will last forever, but I've now put the 
watch on the charger twice, and my app order hasn't changed.

Great suggestion about the dock, Mark.  I don't use it often, I think out of 
habit as much as anything else.  But, that's a great way to make sure that the 
apps I use the most are easily accessible.  However, Simon's right that this 
only works for a few apps, but it probably will meet my needs.  I'll play 
around with the dock more over the next few days and see how it goes.

thanks to all for your thoughts on this.  they have been helpful.  Sometimes we 
get in ruts in how we approach our technology and it's great to have so much 
good input from a list like this to help keep us thinking about other ways to 
accomplish our tasks.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:02 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> You are quite welcome.  I know how important these things can be, believe me, 
> I do.
> 
> So, let me offer another suggestion.
> 
> I have found that it is much easier and simpler to arrange the apps in a 
> preferred order, via the phone, using the Dock feature.
> 
> So, here is the scenario:
> 
> 1.
> On the phone, open the Watch app.
> 
> 2.
> Select Dock.  A screen will appear upon which you may arrange your apps in 
> any order you prefer.  For example, currently, I have my recent apps listed 
> at the top, followed by the Messages app, then Settings, Timer, etc.
> 
> Once you get everything all nice and tweaked, and you're ready to roll:
> 
> 3.
> On the watch, just press the long side button instead of the Digital Crown, 
> and you will see the list of your favorite apps in the order of your choosing.
> 
> Oh, one more thing, you can clear the list of recent apps by using the 
> close-all-apps key sequence.  
> 
> To close all apps on your Apple Watch:
> 
> 1.
> Press and hold the long side button on the watch until the power-off and 
> other device closing options are displayed.
> 
> 2.
> Now, after releasing the side button, press and hold the Digital Crown until 
> your normal watch face appears.
> 
> That's all there is to it.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Wow, the list view is really different.  It takes so long to scroll through 
> the apps!  I could probably get used to it, but I've always used the grid 
> view.  However, that difference may explain why you prefer arranging apps on 
> your phone and I don't.  In grid view, trying to arrange the apps on the 
> phone is very confusing, at least in my opinion.
> 
> However, what I am trying to accomplish would presumably be the same in 
> either view.  I want the apps I use the most to be closest when I enter the 
> apps page.  Using grid view, I've been able to accomplish that, but they just 
> never stay put.  It's the strangest thing.
> 
> thanks for messing around with this, Mark, I appreciate it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> So, have you experimented with the list view on your Series 4?  
>> 
>> I truly do prefer it to the grid view.
>> 
>> To switch to List view:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Press the Digital Crown, once.  The apps page will be displayed.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Single-finger, double-tap, and hold on the display until an audio signal and 
>> hap tic feedback have occurred.  
>> 
>> 3.
>> Remove your finger from the display.  Now, either explore-by-touch or use 
>> the Digital Crown to place focus on either the Grid View icon or the List 
>> View icon.  
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, single-finger, double-tap the display to activate your selection.
>> 
>> Donna, let me know what you think, okay?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from 
>> the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to 
>> end up.  If I do it 

RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kawal,

But I would hope Mark also told you about using the watch app on your phone,

That I found easier to use but each to their own.

Good luck with it, 
I just got hacked off and gave up as I've got to many apps on the watch.

-Original Message-
From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 6:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hello Mark and all.

I would like to thank Mark for giving me an accurate description of  what to do 
as the round button was the confusion so now I have it all correct in how to 
move Apps on my Apple watch. I don't really move apps and leave things as they 
are.

Thanks again.

Kawal. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Aug 2019, at 5:02 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> You are quite welcome.  I know how important these things can be, believe me, 
> I do.
> 
> So, let me offer another suggestion.
> 
> I have found that it is much easier and simpler to arrange the apps in a 
> preferred order, via the phone, using the Dock feature.
> 
> So, here is the scenario:
> 
> 1.
> On the phone, open the Watch app.
> 
> 2.
> Select Dock.  A screen will appear upon which you may arrange your apps in 
> any order you prefer.  For example, currently, I have my recent apps listed 
> at the top, followed by the Messages app, then Settings, Timer, etc.
> 
> Once you get everything all nice and tweaked, and you're ready to roll:
> 
> 3.
> On the watch, just press the long side button instead of the Digital Crown, 
> and you will see the list of your favorite apps in the order of your choosing.
> 
> Oh, one more thing, you can clear the list of recent apps by using the 
> close-all-apps key sequence.  
> 
> To close all apps on your Apple Watch:
> 
> 1.
> Press and hold the long side button on the watch until the power-off and 
> other device closing options are displayed.
> 
> 2.
> Now, after releasing the side button, press and hold the Digital Crown until 
> your normal watch face appears.
> 
> That's all there is to it.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Wow, the list view is really different.  It takes so long to scroll through 
> the apps!  I could probably get used to it, but I've always used the grid 
> view.  However, that difference may explain why you prefer arranging apps on 
> your phone and I don't.  In grid view, trying to arrange the apps on the 
> phone is very confusing, at least in my opinion.
> 
> However, what I am trying to accomplish would presumably be the same in 
> either view.  I want the apps I use the most to be closest when I enter the 
> apps page.  Using grid view, I've been able to accomplish that, but they just 
> never stay put.  It's the strangest thing.
> 
> thanks for messing around with this, Mark, I appreciate it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> So, have you experimented with the list view on your Series 4?  
>> 
>> I truly do prefer it to the grid view.
>> 
>> To switch to List view:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Press the Digital Crown, once.  The apps page will be displayed.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Single-finger, double-tap, and hold on the display until an audio signal and 
>> hap tic feedback have occurred.  
>> 
>> 3.
>> Remove your finger from the display.  Now, either explore-by-touch or use 
>> the Digital Crown to place focus on either the Grid View icon or the List 
>> View icon.  
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, single-finger, double-tap the display to activate your selection.
>> 
>> Donna, let me know what you think, okay?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from 
>> the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to 
>> end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they are.  I'm not 
>> sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I plug the watch 
>> in.  to reproduce:
>> 1.  Bring up the watch face.
>> 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
>> 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says editing..
>> 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice you 
>> want until the app is where you want it to be.
>> 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
>> 
>> Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
>> 
>> You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone 
>> and on the watch.  

RE: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave

[Simon Fogarty]

Good question,

I know I've just done this on my phone with IOS 13 PB 4



-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 4:10 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Hide App Purchases macOS Mojave

Is this doable with Voiceover in the Mac app store?

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RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark and Donna,

 Mark,
That is the Dock so will only take I think it's less than 10 of your favourite 
apps,

That I agree is fine for the ones your using constantly 
But what if you want to put your apps in to say alphabetical order or type 
order like social media,
Banking,
Etc,

Then you will have to use the other option from the watch as Donna suggested or 
through the watch app on the phone as you suggested in the grid or list view.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 4:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hello Donna,

You are quite welcome.  I know how important these things can be, believe me, I 
do.

So, let me offer another suggestion.

I have found that it is much easier and simpler to arrange the apps in a 
preferred order, via the phone, using the Dock feature.

So, here is the scenario:

1.
On the phone, open the Watch app.

2.
Select Dock.  A screen will appear upon which you may arrange your apps in any 
order you prefer.  For example, currently, I have my recent apps listed at the 
top, followed by the Messages app, then Settings, Timer, etc.

Once you get everything all nice and tweaked, and you're ready to roll:

3.
On the watch, just press the long side button instead of the Digital Crown, and 
you will see the list of your favorite apps in the order of your choosing.

Oh, one more thing, you can clear the list of recent apps by using the 
close-all-apps key sequence.  

To close all apps on your Apple Watch:

1.
Press and hold the long side button on the watch until the power-off and other 
device closing options are displayed.

2.
Now, after releasing the side button, press and hold the Digital Crown until 
your normal watch face appears.

That's all there is to it.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hi Mark,

Wow, the list view is really different.  It takes so long to scroll through the 
apps!  I could probably get used to it, but I've always used the grid view.  
However, that difference may explain why you prefer arranging apps on your 
phone and I don't.  In grid view, trying to arrange the apps on the phone is 
very confusing, at least in my opinion.

However, what I am trying to accomplish would presumably be the same in either 
view.  I want the apps I use the most to be closest when I enter the apps page. 
 Using grid view, I've been able to accomplish that, but they just never stay 
put.  It's the strangest thing.

thanks for messing around with this, Mark, I appreciate it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> So, have you experimented with the list view on your Series 4?  
> 
> I truly do prefer it to the grid view.
> 
> To switch to List view:
> 
> 1.
> Press the Digital Crown, once.  The apps page will be displayed.
> 
> 2.
> Single-finger, double-tap, and hold on the display until an audio signal and 
> hap tic feedback have occurred.  
> 
> 3.
> Remove your finger from the display.  Now, either explore-by-touch or use the 
> Digital Crown to place focus on either the Grid View icon or the List View 
> icon.  
> 
> 4.
> Finally, single-finger, double-tap the display to activate your selection.
> 
> Donna, let me know what you think, okay?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from 
> the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to 
> end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they are.  I'm not 
> sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I plug the watch 
> in.  to reproduce:
> 1.  Bring up the watch face.
> 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
> 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says editing..
> 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice you 
> want until the app is where you want it to be.
> 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
> 
> Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
> 
> You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone 
> and on the watch.  I moved some apps in the Watch app on my phone last night 
> after I saw your message, and this morning they were still where I had moved 
> them.
> 
> thanks for your help with this.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 4:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> I have read your comments several 

RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

My apologies to her, I never knew and Ive been on these list with her for years.

Yes Mark give it a try 
I have to admit that I've got more apps on my watch than I really need so I 
gave up the sorting them so they are now in a clutter still.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 12:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hello Donna and Simon.

First, Kawal is a female (smile).

Second, I have not had time to follow the steps listed but I can tell you that 
I have my apps displayed in a list view on my Series 4, and not in a grid view. 
 I seriously dislike the grid view (smile).

I will post another reply later, once I had time to experiment a bit.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 5:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

 Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.
Cheers,
Donna 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Kawal is in the list of watch faces,
> Not in the applications list.
> 
> He has pressed his finger down on the screen Not pressing the digital 
> crown (round button) on the side to bring up the apps.
> 
> That's why things are different to him.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 5:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> That's weird.  Do you have a series 4 running the latest OS?
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:57 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well Donna, If I do that, I have an option to customise or activate.
>> 
>> I have never had a problem as you have described. But I have a similar 
>> problem which I have always had when I purchased this watch, which is if I 
>> restart the watch on occasion, my breathe and heart rate app will not be on 
>> my watch face and there is an empty blank. Do get those back, I have to 
>> restart my watch again and things go back to normal.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:47 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> You're not changing the watch face, just the app layout.  so you don't need 
>>> to bring up the list of watch faces.
>>> 
>>> I do use the modular layout.  with the watch face active, if I press the 
>>> round button, I go into my list of apps.  Swiping left and right gives me 
>>> two options, Arrange Apps, and Activate.  the one you want is Arrange apps.
>>> 
>>> I hope this makes sense.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:26 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna.
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to do your instructions, but I can't get the watch to say edit 
>>>> apps. Am I missing something? If I press firmly on the watch, it will 
>>>> bring up the modular and you can customise it. 
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent From my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:12 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout 
>>>>> from the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are 
>>>>> going to end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they 
>>>>> are.  I'm not sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when 
>>>>> I plug the watch in.  to reproduce:
>>>>> 1.  Bring up the watch face.
>>>>> 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
>>>>> 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says 
>>>>> editing..
>>>>> 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice 
>>>>> you want until the app is where you want it to be.
>>>>> 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
>>>>> 
>>&g

RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark and Donna,

I to have my app list in list view.

I have to admit I've never even looked at using the grid view.

I'll have to give this a try.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hello Donna,

So, have you experimented with the list view on your Series 4?  

I truly do prefer it to the grid view.

To switch to List view:

1.
Press the Digital Crown, once.  The apps page will be displayed.

2.
Single-finger, double-tap, and hold on the display until an audio signal and 
hap tic feedback have occurred.  

3.
Remove your finger from the display.  Now, either explore-by-touch or use the 
Digital Crown to place focus on either the Grid View icon or the List View 
icon.  

4.
Finally, single-finger, double-tap the display to activate your selection.

Donna, let me know what you think, okay?

Mark


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hi Mark,

To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from the 
watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to end up.  
If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they are.  I'm not sure when 
they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I plug the watch in.  to 
reproduce:
1.  Bring up the watch face.
2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says editing..
4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice you 
want until the app is where you want it to be.
5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.

Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  

You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone and 
on the watch.  I moved some apps in the Watch app on my phone last night after 
I saw your message, and this morning they were still where I had moved them.

thanks for your help with this.
Best,
Donna


> On Aug 3, 2019, at 4:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> I have read your comments several times and I’m not certain I truly 
> understand your dilemma.
> 
> I will try to reproduce your findings if you can list the exact list of steps 
> to follow.
> 
> Also, why would you elect to modify the app layout on the watch, itself, 
> instead of on the phone?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> About three times now, I have arranged the apps on my series 4 watch the way 
>> I want them, and every time I do, they go back to the way they were.  I am 
>> moving them on the watch, not in the app on my phone.  Has anyone else 
>> experienced this, and does anyone know of a way to make apps stay where you 
>> put them?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Kawal is in the list of watch faces,
Not in the applications list.

He has pressed his finger down on the screen 
Not pressing the digital crown (round button) on the side to bring up the apps.

That's why things are different to him.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 5:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

That's weird.  Do you have a series 4 running the latest OS?
Best,
Donna


> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:57 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well Donna, If I do that, I have an option to customise or activate.
> 
> I have never had a problem as you have described. But I have a similar 
> problem which I have always had when I purchased this watch, which is if I 
> restart the watch on occasion, my breathe and heart rate app will not be on 
> my watch face and there is an empty blank. Do get those back, I have to 
> restart my watch again and things go back to normal.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:47 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> You're not changing the watch face, just the app layout.  so you don't need 
>> to bring up the list of watch faces.
>> 
>> I do use the modular layout.  with the watch face active, if I press the 
>> round button, I go into my list of apps.  Swiping left and right gives me 
>> two options, Arrange Apps, and Activate.  the one you want is Arrange apps.
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:26 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to do your instructions, but I can't get the watch to say edit 
>>> apps. Am I missing something? If I press firmly on the watch, it will bring 
>>> up the modular and you can customise it. 
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
>>> Sent From my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:12 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout 
 from the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are 
 going to end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they 
 are.  I'm not sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I 
 plug the watch in.  to reproduce:
 1.  Bring up the watch face.
 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says 
 editing..
 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice 
 you want until the app is where you want it to be.
 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
 
 Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
 
 You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone 
 and on the watch.  I moved some apps in the Watch app on my phone last 
 night after I saw your message, and this morning they were still where I 
 had moved them.
 
 thanks for your help with this.
 Best,
 Donna
 
 
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 4:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> I have read your comments several times and I’m not certain I truly 
> understand your dilemma.
> 
> I will try to reproduce your findings if you can list the exact list of 
> steps to follow.
> 
> Also, why would you elect to modify the app layout on the watch, itself, 
> instead of on the phone?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> About three times now, I have arranged the apps on my series 4 watch the 
>> way I want them, and every time I do, they go back to the way they were. 
>>  I am moving them on the watch, not in the app on my phone.  Has anyone 
>> else experienced this, and does anyone know of a way to make apps stay 
>> where you put them?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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RE: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi kawal & donna,

 On my apple watch s4 it's the press the digital crown the roud button on the 
side to bring up the list of applications  
Then slide one finger down the screen should give you a number of different 
options including activate and then arrange apps,

 Activating the arrange then gives you the move left / move right which again 
you flick a finger up / down to move between those options.so Donna on the s4 
watch it's an up / down flick 
Not the left / right

Left and right moves you between the different applications.
-Original Message-
From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 4:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Well Donna, If I do that, I have an option to customise or activate.

I have never had a problem as you have described. But I have a similar problem 
which I have always had when I purchased this watch, which is if I restart the 
watch on occasion, my breathe and heart rate app will not be on my watch face 
and there is an empty blank. Do get those back, I have to restart my watch 
again and things go back to normal.

Kawal.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:47 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> You're not changing the watch face, just the app layout.  so you don't need 
> to bring up the list of watch faces.
> 
> I do use the modular layout.  with the watch face active, if I press the 
> round button, I go into my list of apps.  Swiping left and right gives me two 
> options, Arrange Apps, and Activate.  the one you want is Arrange apps.
> 
> I hope this makes sense.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:26 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I am trying to do your instructions, but I can't get the watch to say edit 
>> apps. Am I missing something? If I press firmly on the watch, it will bring 
>> up the modular and you can customise it. 
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> 
>> Sent From my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:12 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from 
>>> the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to 
>>> end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they are.  I'm not 
>>> sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I plug the watch 
>>> in.  to reproduce:
>>> 1.  Bring up the watch face.
>>> 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
>>> 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says 
>>> editing..
>>> 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice 
>>> you want until the app is where you want it to be.
>>> 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
>>> 
>>> Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
>>> 
>>> You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone 
>>> and on the watch.  I moved some apps in the Watch app on my phone last 
>>> night after I saw your message, and this morning they were still where I 
>>> had moved them.
>>> 
>>> thanks for your help with this.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2019, at 4:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Donna,
 
 I have read your comments several times and I’m not certain I truly 
 understand your dilemma.
 
 I will try to reproduce your findings if you can list the exact list of 
 steps to follow.
 
 Also, why would you elect to modify the app layout on the watch, itself, 
 instead of on the phone?
 
 Just curious.
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> About three times now, I have arranged the apps on my series 4 watch the 
> way I want them, and every time I do, they go back to the way they were.  
> I am moving them on the watch, not in the app on my phone.  Has anyone 
> else experienced this, and does anyone know of a way to make apps stay 
> where you put them?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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RE: a question about partition maps on a very large thumb drive?

[Simon Fogarty]

Use GUID,

 That way you have the option to work with both windows and mac,

 Also I myself would format as xFat so you can use it across platforms.

If your only going to use it with apple computers then use APFS  
But GUID is what your asking for.
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Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:22 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: a question about partition maps on a very large thumb drive?

Hi, here’s the situation I am trying to get a very large thumb drive ready for 
use. When I go to format the drive and disk utility. I asked what partition map 
what I like to use. Which of the following choices makes the most sense? GU ID, 
MBR, or Apple partition map?

The thumb drive in question is 250 GB. This machine does have a boot camp area. 
Does the type of partition map matter in the long  For instance if I set this 
to “guid ”  or should it stay and be Mbr  to allow for both operating systems 
to access this drive? Any thoughts?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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RE: Avast Security Blocking E-Mail - I Think

[Simon Fogarty]

If you had a windows machine I’d say yes I agree however as it is a mac I think 
that you’ll be fine.

For the amount of time you will remove it to test if it’s the issue then you 
shouldn’t have an issue.

From: 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2019 8:16 PM
To: MacVisionaries  
Subject: Re: Avast Security Blocking E-Mail - I Think

 Removing the Avast app had occurred to me, but I am reluctant to leave my Mac 
vulnerable to network mischief.


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RE: Avast Security Blocking E-Mail - I Think

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you tried removing avast to see if the problem goes awayu?

-Original Message-
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Subject: Avast Security Blocking E-Mail - I Think

 To anybody who has a solution; after my Mac has been on for 10 hours or so I 
find that my e-mail connections have been blocked.  I’m not even able to move 
e-mail messages to several of the iCloud auxiliary folders I’ve created for 
same purpose - i.e., I like to store online order messages in a folder I’ve 
named “E-Commerce.”

This began shortly after installing Avast software.  I opened both the Avast 
Security and the Avast VPN Security apps and was not able to find any sort of 
“Time Out” reference.  Can anybody offer a suggestion as how to eliminate this 
undesired e-mail shutdown?

I’ve been restarting the Mac to eliminate this very annoying issue.



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RE: VO and Safe Mode?

[Simon Fogarty]

Actually macs do have a safe mode also.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Morris
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 7:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO and Safe Mode?

Safe mode is only for windows, mac’s have recovery mode witch is cmd + r on 
boot.
On a mac the shift key on boot does nothing.
On Jul 26, 2019, at 2:16 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  Yes the shift key should do it. Press and hold it right after you press the 
power button. And I am sure VO will be active in safe mode.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/26/2019 9:10 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Will VO work in safe mode?
and if so, How?
I tried holding the shift key after the boot chime with no luck. I even tried 
holding shift as I hit the power button with no luck.
Thanks,
Rob

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RE: iCloud email

[Simon Fogarty]

No, it's not iCloud but either iMap or POP that you need to findout the secure 
ports for.

 iMap would be my suggestion and I'm sure the secure port for incoming mail is 
in the 900 range,

 but the smtp or outgoing mail port is the one that will change depending on if 
they are using TLS or SSL 
 a search in ghoogle should give you the relevant information 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 6:46 AM
To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: iCloud email

I know the email address but I don't know how to find out what port iCloud uses.

> On Jul 26, 2019, at 4:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have secure connection details then yes that is the best thing to do.
> 
> But you will need to find out what port the secure SMTP will use in the case 
> of iCloud and you will also need to know your username and passwords for the 
> mail account.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 6:37 AM
> To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: iCloud email
> 
> I want to set up an iCloud email account for use on my braille note Apex bt. 
> the account is already in use on my Mac. what port numbers do I need? does it 
> want a secure connection and authentication?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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RE: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

 But more than one port over 2 different computers?

 I could understand one port on a computer but multiple just seems weird.

-Original Message-
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 4:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

Simon,

I’ve seen it where USB ports fail and do not provide enough power to charge. 
It’s not common, but it happens.

Later…



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> This is my thought also.
> 
> The ac adapter sounds like it is powering the iPhone fine but the USB isnt',
> 
> Interesting though that all USB sockets aren't providing enough power,
> 
> USB should be enough to power an iPhone 7 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 4:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds to me like the USB port on your Mac is failing. Those ports do not 
> normally give out the kind of power output that the USB wall charger does. It 
> sounds like it works with the wall charger, but not so well with your 
> computer. This tells me that there is nothing wrong with the iPhone 7, nor 
> the charging cable. Try it with a different port on the Mac. See if you have 
> any better luck.
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> You could also go into iTunes and eject your iPhone completely. Then, 
>> disconnect it from the computer completely, wait a few seconds, then 
>> reconnect. Not sure if that will help but worth a try.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 1:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then to me it's not a cable
>>> 
>>> Try a different USB port on one of your computers!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 8:12 PM
>>> To: Mac Visionaries List 
>>> Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.
>>> 
>>> Sorry to reply to my own message, I forgot to mention that when I plug my 
>>> iPhone 7 into the wall socket it works fine and charges.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Jul 2019, at 09:06, Gary Price  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Morning everyone!
>>>> Please can I have some advice.
>>>> Recently I've noticed something really strange with my iPhone 7 and 
>>>> computers. Both my Mac book pro and desktop computer.
>>>> 
>>>> When I connect my phone it's meant to charge correct. Well instead of 
>>>> doing this it is doing a rhythmic vibration.
>>>> 
>>>> I have been in touch with Apple support yesterday and they are not sure if 
>>>> it is my phone or my cable.
>>>> 
>>>> But see here's the issue.
>>>> We don't have an Apple store over here in Bolton.
>>>> The nearist one is either in the Trafford centre or Arndale centre both of 
>>>> which ar located in Manchester.
>>>> 
>>>> But see my Brother Neil now has a little girl to think about coming up to 
>>>> three next month, the fourth.
>>>> 
>>>> So he might not be able to take me down there.
>>>> Apple support have sent me a link for them to give me a call with all the 
>>>> case details already in front of the person.
>>>> 
>>>> Please what should I do now?
>>>> Any advice or help would be appreciated!
>>>> Thanks all, I look forward to any responses.
>>>> 
>>>> Through Apple support I found out that this rhythmic vibration means it's 
>>>> connecting then disccnecting.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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RE: Virtual machine folder after moving documents to iCloud drive

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes you will have moved your vm folder to icloud drive also.

 Bad move sorry to say,

 You could possibly redirect your vm client to the location in icloud drive but 
then your working over a slower connection.



If you can move it back to your local machine you will be better off but the 
location of the folder will be the thing to consider.

I'd go with the shared folder under Users.
-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 7:07 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Virtual machine folder after moving documents to iCloud drive

Hi,

I hope somebody, particularly Tim, might respond to this SOS message.  I’ve 
decided to move my Document folder into iCloud drive.  I run Windows in VMWare 
Fusion on my macbook pro as well, and the virtual machine folder is located in 
Document folder. Having moved Document folder into iCloud drive, VMWare Fusion 
doesn’t find my virtual machine.  How can I solve this?  Have I made a mistake 
to move virtual machines folder to iCloud drive?  Should I copy it back to my 
Macbook Pro and if yes how?

Andrew

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RE: iCloud email

[Simon Fogarty]

If you have secure connection details then yes that is the best thing to do.

 But you will need to find out what port the secure SMTP will use in the case 
of iCloud and you will also need to know your username and passwords for the 
mail account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 6:37 AM
To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: iCloud email

I want to set up an iCloud email account for use on my braille note Apex bt. 
the account is already in use on my Mac. what port numbers do I need? does it 
want a secure connection and authentication?

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

 This is my thought also.

 The ac adapter sounds like it is powering the iPhone fine but the USB isnt',

 Interesting though that all USB sockets aren't providing enough power,

 USB should be enough to power an iPhone 7 


-Original Message-
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 4:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

Hi,

It sounds to me like the USB port on your Mac is failing. Those ports do not 
normally give out the kind of power output that the USB wall charger does. It 
sounds like it works with the wall charger, but not so well with your computer. 
This tells me that there is nothing wrong with the iPhone 7, nor the charging 
cable. Try it with a different port on the Mac. See if you have any better luck.

 Later... 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> You could also go into iTunes and eject your iPhone completely. Then, 
> disconnect it from the computer completely, wait a few seconds, then 
> reconnect. Not sure if that will help but worth a try.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 1:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Then to me it's not a cable
>> 
>> Try a different USB port on one of your computers!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 8:12 PM
>> To: Mac Visionaries List 
>> Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.
>> 
>> Sorry to reply to my own message, I forgot to mention that when I plug my 
>> iPhone 7 into the wall socket it works fine and charges.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 Jul 2019, at 09:06, Gary Price  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Morning everyone!
>>> Please can I have some advice.
>>> Recently I've noticed something really strange with my iPhone 7 and 
>>> computers. Both my Mac book pro and desktop computer.
>>> 
>>> When I connect my phone it's meant to charge correct. Well instead of doing 
>>> this it is doing a rhythmic vibration.
>>> 
>>> I have been in touch with Apple support yesterday and they are not sure if 
>>> it is my phone or my cable.
>>> 
>>> But see here's the issue.
>>> We don't have an Apple store over here in Bolton.
>>> The nearist one is either in the Trafford centre or Arndale centre both of 
>>> which ar located in Manchester.
>>> 
>>> But see my Brother Neil now has a little girl to think about coming up to 
>>> three next month, the fourth.
>>> 
>>> So he might not be able to take me down there.
>>> Apple support have sent me a link for them to give me a call with all the 
>>> case details already in front of the person.
>>> 
>>> Please what should I do now?
>>> Any advice or help would be appreciated!
>>> Thanks all, I look forward to any responses.
>>> 
>>> Through Apple support I found out that this rhythmic vibration means it's 
>>> connecting then disccnecting.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi I'm not  braille user so I don't have a braille embosser to play with.

 What I can say is that you need to tell the VM device to take ownership of the 
embosser / printer each time it is connected.


And then I'd assume you would need to install appropriate drivers for the 
device.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2019 1:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

The connection method  was  USB. I recall the issue being in the setup of the  
embosser. In order to use the embosser, one has to setup an imaginary printer 
first and then somehow trick the computer to print to the embosser by going 
through this imaginary printer setup. I’m definitely distorting all the details 
here- It was so long ago, I don’t recollect the exact details but I know it was 
somewhere along this line. And I also know for a fact that on my bootcamp 
partition the process would work just fine. 

Sorry for the inexact description. Thanks for all your input though.

All best,
Ibraheem

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and Ibraheem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Surely your connection issues between a windows VM and braille device is 
> simply the connectivity method?
> 
> What type of connection is the braille device have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 12:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice
> 
> Hey Ibrahim,
> 
> I have no idea if that issue has been addressed, but if you find out, I'd 
> love to know the answer.  I'd love to get down to just one computer some day.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Donna,
>> 
>> Thankfully, I have a windows copy of Duxbury available. I recall in the past 
>> trying to emboss from a virtual machine using duxbury and running into 
>> issues with my mac not being able to detect the embosser. The only fix was 
>> to install windows on a bootcamp partition rather than a virtual machine 
>> which worked well. Wondering if that bug was fixed and whether one can now 
>> emboss out of the virtual machine. 
>> 
>> Thank you so much!
>> All best,
>> Ibraheem
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:59 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ibrahim,
>>> 
>>> Erik is probably right about virtualization, but I bought a MacBook Pro in 
>>> 2017, after using an Air for eight years prior, and I really miss the light 
>>> weight and portability of the Air.  the Pros are nice, and still pretty 
>>> portable, but the Air really comes out ahead in my opinion, and it does a 
>>> good job for the things I do.  If I were going to make that decision again, 
>>> I'd go with the Air.
>>> 
>>> Another thing that you might want to know is the cost of Duxbury for Mac.  
>>> I've wanted it since it came out, but when I learned the cost, decided to 
>>> just keep running it under Windows.  The price tag on Duxbury for Mac is 
>>> $700.
>>> 
>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey group,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope you’re all well! I’m in the market for a new Apple laptop, looking 
>>>> for something that can run windows jaws and Duxbury. Saw the MacBook Pro 
>>>> and the MacBook Aire posted online, and unsure if the higher end of the 
>>>> MacBook Aire is fit to do the job or if the MacBook Pro is the better 
>>>> option here. Any suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> I’m looking to run windows on either  Boot Camp or virtual hard drive, 
>>>> also looking for suggestions on this set up. All input  is  deeply 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> All best,
>>>> Ibraheem
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RE: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

[Simon Fogarty]

Then to me it's not a cable

Try a different USB port on one of your computers!

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 8:12 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
Subject: Re: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

Sorry to reply to my own message, I forgot to mention that when I plug my 
iPhone 7 into the wall socket it works fine and charges.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2019, at 09:06, Gary Price  wrote:
> 
> Morning everyone!
> Please can I have some advice.
> Recently I've noticed something really strange with my iPhone 7 and 
> computers. Both my Mac book pro and desktop computer.
> 
> When I connect my phone it's meant to charge correct. Well instead of doing 
> this it is doing a rhythmic vibration.
> 
> I have been in touch with Apple support yesterday and they are not sure if it 
> is my phone or my cable.
> 
> But see here's the issue.
> We don't have an Apple store over here in Bolton.
> The nearist one is either in the Trafford centre or Arndale centre both of 
> which ar located in Manchester.
> 
> But see my Brother Neil now has a little girl to think about coming up to 
> three next month, the fourth.
> 
> So he might not be able to take me down there.
> Apple support have sent me a link for them to give me a call with all the 
> case details already in front of the person.
> 
> Please what should I do now?
> Any advice or help would be appreciated!
> Thanks all, I look forward to any responses.
> 
> Through Apple support I found out that this rhythmic vibration means it's 
> connecting then disccnecting.
> Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

[Simon Fogarty]

Do you have a second cable you could try it with?

Also try plugging the cable in to a different USB port on one of your computers 
or into an AC power adapter which you would have gotten with the iPhone.

 Does the rhythmic vibration happen with any of these other suggestions.

Good lucjk,



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From: 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 8:06 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
Subject: Problem with iPhone 7 and computer.

Morning everyone!
Please can I have some advice.
Recently I've noticed something really strange with my iPhone 7 and computers. 
Both my Mac book pro and desktop computer.

When I connect my phone it's meant to charge correct. Well instead of doing 
this it is doing a rhythmic vibration.

I have been in touch with Apple support yesterday and they are not sure if it 
is my phone or my cable.

But see here's the issue.
We don't have an Apple store over here in Bolton.
The nearist one is either in the Trafford centre or Arndale centre both of 
which ar located in Manchester.

But see my Brother Neil now has a little girl to think about coming up to three 
next month, the fourth.

So he might not be able to take me down there.
Apple support have sent me a link for them to give me a call with all the case 
details already in front of the person.

Please what should I do now?
Any advice or help would be appreciated!
Thanks all, I look forward to any responses.

Through Apple support I found out that this rhythmic vibration means it's 
connecting then disccnecting.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I've also heard rumours of an earpods series 3 coming either late this 
year or next year, but hey rumours are rumours.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 6:20 AM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

Hi!
I wonder how many apple related headphones will be released this year?
I hear something about apple releasing some high end over ear headphones this 
fall.
If they do boy i’m going to buy them.
/A

> 24 juli 2019 kl. 16:24 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> These sound way better than my first gen airpods.
> 
> On 7/24/19, Brianna Snyder  wrote:
>> Hi Kliph,
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing your review. You've just made me want these even more.
>> haha
>> I don't really care for those in-ear tips, but maybe since they give 
>> you multiple tips, I could find one I like.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Brianna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:50 AM, KliphnShari Miller 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Battery life is excellent!  I wrote a review on these when they 1st 
>>> launched.  I work a 9 hour shift, and I only have to use one earbud 
>>> per shift.  You can read my review here 
>>> https://oatsconsulting.wordpress.com/2019/05/18/power-beats-pro-revi
>>> ew/
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, 
>>> sports, have special guests, and is always family friendly
>>> 
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>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:26 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How is the battery life on them? I tried original AirPods, and 
>>>> couldn’t get used to the very noticeable lag and the 5 hour battery 
>>>> life. The AirPods routinely went dead on me, as I use headphones 
>>>> with my phone all the time, with VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brianna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m 
>>>>> not really in to big base Even though I’m a fan of rock genre
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the 
>>>>> time notice any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad 
>>>>> pro 11” and the built in Mail app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either 
>>>>> so possibly it is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that 
>>>>> one yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that 
>>>>> with the size of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t 
>>>>> put wireless charging in the beats pro case as it’s big enough to 
>>>>> have it
>>>>> 
>>>>> to try and describe the size of the pro charging case it’s about 
>>>>> the size of the box that the earpods come in,
>>>>> 
>>>>> that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the 
>>>>> earpods from apple that would be the physical size of the case but 
>>>>> slightly higher and has a rounded lid on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at 
>>>>> least look at them out of a package.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>  On Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 4:57 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>

RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

True Petrus  
Very true,



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 6:04 AM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

Hi!
But if you connect an external keyboard the problem is gone.
/A

> 24 juli 2019 kl. 01:01 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> I think it is because the Touch Bar replaces the physical function keys. Like 
> I said, I am only going by what I have been told when I was looking to buy my 
> first Mac. I actually love the modern keyboards, but I think I am in the 
> minority.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
>> On 24/07/2019, at 10:05, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,I actually didn’t know that. I wonder why that is. I also haven’t had a 
>> chance to tactfully explore the new keyboards. I’m upgrading from a 2012 
>> MacBook.
>> Thanks for sharing!
>> Ibraheem 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mistakes sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ibraheem,
>>> You probably know this already, but I don’t think you can use Windows on 
>>> the Mac books that have a Touch Bar. I have a MacBook Pro 15 inch with the 
>>> Touch Bar and have been told I can’t run windows on it, suits me fine as I 
>>> don’t really want to.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>>> 
 On 24/07/2019, at 00:42, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
 
 Ibraheem
>>> 
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The 

RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 I think mainly because I've had them longer,

The Earpods series 2 have a slightly better body to the audio than the beats 
pro,

But in saying that the pros have a great sound also and I wouldn't turn it down 
from the listening I've done so far

But yes they some how need to  setup a way to check these types of devices out 
before people buy them.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 2:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

The only thing is, sound is such a subjective thing.  I'd really like to be 
able to take them for a test drive alongside the Gen 2 AirPods to see which 
sound I like best.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:24 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> These sound way better than my first gen airpods.
> 
> On 7/24/19, Brianna Snyder  wrote:
>> Hi Kliph,
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing your review. You've just made me want these even more.
>> haha
>> I don't really care for those in-ear tips, but maybe since they give 
>> you multiple tips, I could find one I like.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Brianna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:50 AM, KliphnShari Miller 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Battery life is excellent!  I wrote a review on these when they 1st 
>>> launched.  I work a 9 hour shift, and I only have to use one earbud 
>>> per shift.  You can read my review here 
>>> https://oatsconsulting.wordpress.com/2019/05/18/power-beats-pro-revi
>>> ew/
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, 
>>> sports, have special guests, and is always family friendly
>>> 
>>> We are now on Apple
>>> 
>>> Anchor
>>> 
>>> Spotify
>>> 
>>> Google Podcasts
>>> 
>>> OverCast
>>> 
>>> stitcher
>>> 
>>> Breaker
>>> 
>>> PodBean
>>> 
>>> And on Radio Public
>>> 
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>>> comments, or suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com
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>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:26 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How is the battery life on them? I tried original AirPods, and 
>>>> couldn’t get used to the very noticeable lag and the 5 hour battery 
>>>> life. The AirPods routinely went dead on me, as I use headphones 
>>>> with my phone all the time, with VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brianna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m 
>>>>> not really in to big base Even though I’m a fan of rock genre
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the 
>>>>> time notice any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad 
>>>>> pro 11” and the built in Mail app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either 
>>>>> so possibly it is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that 
>>>>> one yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that 
>>>>> with the size of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t 
>>>>> put wireless charging in the beats pro case as it’s big enough to 
>>>>> have it
>>>>> 
>>>>> to try and describe the size of the pro charging case it’s about 
>>>>> the size of the box that the earpods come in,
>>>>> 
>>>>> that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the 
>>>>> earpods from apple that would be the physical size of the case but 
>>>>> slightly higher and has a rounded lid on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at 
>>>>> least look at them out of a package.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@goo

RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Other than the size and shape 

They are,

In more than one way,

 Battery life,
On device controls 
Plus hey siri,
 Comfortable although not as comfortable as the earpods 
They  have the same feature set as the earpods and more.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 2:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

These sound way better than my first gen airpods.

On 7/24/19, Brianna Snyder  wrote:
> Hi Kliph,
>
> Thanks for sharing your review. You've just made me want these even more.
> haha
> I don't really care for those in-ear tips, but maybe since they give 
> you multiple tips, I could find one I like.
>
> Thanks again,
> Brianna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:50 AM, KliphnShari Miller 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Battery life is excellent!  I wrote a review on these when they 1st 
>> launched.  I work a 9 hour shift, and I only have to use one earbud 
>> per shift.  You can read my review here 
>> https://oatsconsulting.wordpress.com/2019/05/18/power-beats-pro-revie
>> w/
>> Enjoy
>>
>>
>> Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, 
>> sports, have special guests, and is always family friendly
>>
>> We are now on Apple
>>
>> Anchor
>>
>> Spotify
>>
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>>
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>>
>> stitcher
>>
>> Breaker
>>
>> PodBean
>>
>> And on Radio Public
>>
>> You can send an email between Podcasts with your questions, comments, 
>> or suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter
>>
>> Listen to our live stream on periscope
>>
>> And follow our blog for updates and announcements
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:26 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> How is the battery life on them? I tried original AirPods, and 
>>> couldn’t get used to the very noticeable lag and the 5 hour battery 
>>> life. The AirPods routinely went dead on me, as I use headphones 
>>> with my phone all the time, with VoiceOver.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brianna,
>>>>
>>>> Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m not 
>>>> really in to big base Even though I’m a fan of rock genre
>>>>
>>>> I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the 
>>>> time notice any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad 
>>>> pro 11” and the built in Mail app.
>>>>
>>>> And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either so 
>>>> possibly it is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that 
>>>> one yet.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that 
>>>> with the size of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t 
>>>> put wireless charging in the beats pro case as it’s big enough to 
>>>> have it
>>>>
>>>> to try and describe the size of the pro charging case it’s about 
>>>> the size of the box that the earpods come in,
>>>>
>>>> that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the 
>>>> earpods from apple that would be the physical size of the case but 
>>>> slightly higher and has a rounded lid on it.
>>>>
>>>> It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at 
>>>> least look at them out of a package.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>  On Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 4:57 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your thoughts on these. I keep looking at reviews on 
>>>> them, so it's nice to have a perspective from a VoiceOver user.
>>>> I had the first generation of AirPods, but returned them due to lag 
>>>> and missing phone calls because of said lag.
>>>> Have you noticed that these work better when typing with VoiceOver? 
>>>> I've heard that the chip in both these and the AirPods 2 is 
>>>> supp

RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

I know here in nz we only have them in black which is bad luck as I kind of 
wanted the moss ones.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 12:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

Hi Kliph,

Thanks for sharing your review. You've just made me want these even more. haha
I don't really care for those in-ear tips, but maybe since they give you 
multiple tips, I could find one I like.

Thanks again,
Brianna
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:50 AM, KliphnShari Miller 
mailto:kliphnsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Battery life is excellent!  I wrote a review on these when they 1st launched.  
I work a 9 hour shift, and I only have to use one earbud per shift.  You can 
read my review here
https://oatsconsulting.wordpress.com/2019/05/18/power-beats-pro-review/
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On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:26 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

How is the battery life on them? I tried original AirPods, and couldn’t get 
used to the very noticeable lag and the 5 hour battery life. The AirPods 
routinely went dead on me, as I use headphones with my phone all the time, with 
VoiceOver.


On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Brianna,

Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m not really in 
to big base
Even though I’m a fan of rock genre

I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the time notice 
any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad pro 11” and the built in 
Mail app.

And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either so possibly it 
is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.

I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that one yet.

One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that with the size 
of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t put wireless charging in the 
beats pro case as it’s big enough to have it

to try and describe the size of the pro charging case
it’s about the size of the box that the earpods come in,

that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the earpods from 
apple that would be the physical size of the case but slightly higher and has a 
rounded lid on it.

It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at least look at 
them out of a package.

Good luck.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

Hi,

Thanks for your thoughts on these. I keep looking at reviews on them, so it's 
nice to have a perspective from a VoiceOver user.
I had the first generation of AirPods, but returned them due to lag and missing 
phone calls because of said lag.
Have you noticed that these work better when typing with VoiceOver? I've heard 
that the chip in both these and the AirPods 2 is supposed to fix most of the 
lag issue.
As for sound quality, do you find it too bassy? That's what I've seen a lot of 
people say.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Brianna
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2019, at 12:44 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Folk,s,

Thought I’d give you a quick run down of the power vbeats pro headphones,
So apart from the fact the headphones case is about 5 times the physical size 
of the earpods charging case, it’s a nice package
Similar to an enlarged ring box from a jeweler,

When you left the lid
The pods sit in grooved sockets with the hocks lying in the middle rolling back 
over the top of the actual pods,
Hi Listers,

So my Power Beats Pro pods turned up this morning,

Interesting design,

Physically larger than the Apple Earpods

Both the pods themselves and the charging case,

The PowerBeats Pro case would be approximately 5 times the size of the Earpods 
case

With a somewhat clam shell design.

With a lightening port at the back of the case.

The physical pods  are much larger in size than the Earpods
Possibly twice the size not including the ear hock,

But even with that increased size the power beats pro sit in your ear nicely,

Pairing is similar to that of the Earpods,
Open the clam shell lid and your IOS device automaticall

RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

I can’t at this point say,

I had just under 50% when they arrived so I’m still working on that and then 
will charge fully once I’ve drained them flat.

From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

How is the battery life on them? I tried original AirPods, and couldn’t get 
used to the very noticeable lag and the 5 hour battery life. The AirPods 
routinely went dead on me, as I use headphones with my phone all the time, with 
VoiceOver.


On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Brianna,

Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m not really in 
to big base
Even though I’m a fan of rock genre

I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the time notice 
any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad pro 11” and the built in 
Mail app.

And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either so possibly it 
is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.

I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that one yet.

One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that with the size 
of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t put wireless charging in the 
beats pro case as it’s big enough to have it

to try and describe the size of the pro charging case
it’s about the size of the box that the earpods come in,

that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the earpods from 
apple that would be the physical size of the case but slightly higher and has a 
rounded lid on it.

It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at least look at 
them out of a package.

Good luck.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

Hi,

Thanks for your thoughts on these. I keep looking at reviews on them, so it's 
nice to have a perspective from a VoiceOver user.
I had the first generation of AirPods, but returned them due to lag and missing 
phone calls because of said lag.
Have you noticed that these work better when typing with VoiceOver? I've heard 
that the chip in both these and the AirPods 2 is supposed to fix most of the 
lag issue.
As for sound quality, do you find it too bassy? That's what I've seen a lot of 
people say.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Brianna
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2019, at 12:44 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Folk,s,

Thought I’d give you a quick run down of the power vbeats pro headphones,
So apart from the fact the headphones case is about 5 times the physical size 
of the earpods charging case, it’s a nice package
Similar to an enlarged ring box from a jeweler,

When you left the lid
The pods sit in grooved sockets with the hocks lying in the middle rolling back 
over the top of the actual pods,
Hi Listers,

So my Power Beats Pro pods turned up this morning,

Interesting design,

Physically larger than the Apple Earpods

Both the pods themselves and the charging case,

The PowerBeats Pro case would be approximately 5 times the size of the Earpods 
case

With a somewhat clam shell design.

With a lightening port at the back of the case.

The physical pods  are much larger in size than the Earpods
Possibly twice the size not including the ear hock,

But even with that increased size the power beats pro sit in your ear nicely,

Pairing is similar to that of the Earpods,
Open the clam shell lid and your IOS device automatically picks up the 
Bluetooth connection signal from the power beats pro
And  a tap of the connect icon on the device screen connects the beats pro 
quickly to the device…

There is a quiet chime to indicate connection

I’ll say that to me the pairing and connection of the Power Beats Pro pods to 
my iPhone x was quicker than that of my Apple EarPods S2  and less problematic.

The  sound quality is very clear and somewhat less body than that of the 
Earpods,
Still very clear and sharp but somewhat less body when it comes to listening to 
music.

Although this was onbly over 20 minutes of playing around with them.

The controls on the beats pro work extremely well including listening with one 
beats pro and controlling play / pause and volume from the other pod (not in  
your ear).


The over ear hook is a soft rubberized plastic, it’s unusual to have the hook 
over your ear when your not use to it, but it’s not overly noticeable as the 
prto pods just hung in my ears even during movemen

Overall thus far I think they are pretty good and well worth looking into if 
you were looking to purchase headphones

Sorry just a short and sweet review.

Simon F
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna and Ibraheem




Surely your connection issues between a windows VM and braille device is simply 
the connectivity method?

What type of connection is the braille device have?

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 12:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

Hey Ibrahim,

I have no idea if that issue has been addressed, but if you find out, I'd love 
to know the answer.  I'd love to get down to just one computer some day.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
> Hey Donna,
> 
> Thankfully, I have a windows copy of Duxbury available. I recall in the past 
> trying to emboss from a virtual machine using duxbury and running into issues 
> with my mac not being able to detect the embosser. The only fix was to 
> install windows on a bootcamp partition rather than a virtual machine which 
> worked well. Wondering if that bug was fixed and whether one can now emboss 
> out of the virtual machine. 
> 
> Thank you so much!
> All best,
> Ibraheem
> 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:59 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ibrahim,
>> 
>> Erik is probably right about virtualization, but I bought a MacBook Pro in 
>> 2017, after using an Air for eight years prior, and I really miss the light 
>> weight and portability of the Air.  the Pros are nice, and still pretty 
>> portable, but the Air really comes out ahead in my opinion, and it does a 
>> good job for the things I do.  If I were going to make that decision again, 
>> I'd go with the Air.
>> 
>> Another thing that you might want to know is the cost of Duxbury for Mac.  
>> I've wanted it since it came out, but when I learned the cost, decided to 
>> just keep running it under Windows.  The price tag on Duxbury for Mac is 
>> $700.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey group,
>>> 
>>> Hope you’re all well! I’m in the market for a new Apple laptop, looking for 
>>> something that can run windows jaws and Duxbury. Saw the MacBook Pro and 
>>> the MacBook Aire posted online, and unsure if the higher end of the MacBook 
>>> Aire is fit to do the job or if the MacBook Pro is the better option here. 
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> I’m looking to run windows on either  Boot Camp or virtual hard drive, also 
>>> looking for suggestions on this set up. All input  is  deeply appreciated.
>>> 
>>> All best,
>>> Ibraheem
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ibraheem




 Really there isn't a lot to choose from these days with the mac computers,

 My suggestion would be 
At least 16GB ram,
And a minimum 512GB SSD 
The later the mac book be it an air or a pro the better as you will get a 
longer life from it than an earlier device.

I did look at a 2017 Mac book air which had 8GB ram and 512GB SSD and an i7 
2.2GHz processor which would be a great little machine but wont take on all of 
the newer developments in mac os Catalina 

But the only thing I can suggest is avoid any mac book pro with the touch bar, 
and try to stick to a machine later than 2017 if possible.

Oh and remember that all the new mac book models have USB-C both for power and 
external device connection.


And don't look at the Mac Book 12 inch devices as they are to under powered.

Good luck.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2019 12:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

Hey Simon,

thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look into the refurbished models. Are there any 
specs I should strongly consider when trying to find the best machine to 
accomplish what I need with a virtual machine and bootcamp? I’m a little out of 
touch with tech specs and any advice you have on this is deeply appreciated. 
Ideas like which processes or how much ram is ideal for a smooth experience is  
what I’m looking to know more about.

Kindly,
Ibraheem



> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:25 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ibraheem
> 
> Interesting requirements
> 
> I've just recently been through the same thing finding a machine that 
> would work for me in both cases, Windows through Bootcamp and Mac OS of 
> course.
> 
> 
> I managed to get a refurbished Mac Book pro 2017 13 inch with the 
> specs I wanted from the apple website under refurbished computers,
> 
> Might be worth having a look at that list as well.
> 
> With the currently listed new machines from apple the Newly released 
> Mac Book Pro's  only have the ttouch bar and therefore don't work well 
> with windows both in bootcamp or a virtual machine,
> 
> I've not tried this myself but it's what I've been advised of by a number of 
> people both technictions and users of mac products.
> 
> Again look in to refurbished devices of the 2018 or older models for the mac 
> book pros.
> 
> As for the mac book air,
>  Yeah the new ones are nice but have the butterfly keyboard which I 
> personally am not a fan of,
> 
> But they do have up to 16GB ram
> A 1.5TB SSD
> And use USB-C as the connection type for both external devices  and charging.
> 
> I personally question the processor which was a 1.6GHz dual core processor 
> although an 8th gen I believe so should still have good power to run windows.
> But it is probably the better machine to look at  due to not having 
> the touch bar
> 
> Depending on what it is you wish to do I personally had as my previous 
> Mac book air, 8GB ram and 512GB SSD And at the time an upgraded 
> processor to the I7 available
> 
> And it's worked great for 6 years.
> 
> The air is cheaper and smaller form factor but will give you the 
> benefits of the upcoming  Mac OS 10.15.x Which will also assist you.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: In the market for a new laptop- your advice
> 
> Hey group,
> 
> Hope you’re all well! I’m in the market for a new Apple laptop, looking for 
> something that can run windows jaws and Duxbury. Saw the MacBook Pro and the 
> MacBook Aire posted online, and unsure if the higher end of the MacBook Aire 
> is fit to do the job or if the MacBook Pro is the better option here. Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> I’m looking to run windows on either  Boot Camp or virtual hard drive, also 
> looking for suggestions on this set up. All input  is  deeply appreciated.
> 
> All best,
> Ibraheem
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Hi Lists,
I've cross posted this to kill 2 birds,

I've just noticed that Microsoft have updated Outlook for IOS and one of the 
updated features is that it will now allow for interfacing with iCloud / iCloud 
Drive and One Drive as well as a couple of other cloud based storage site.
I'm trying to do more with Outlook for IOS because of what apple are doing to 
Mail on my iPad and phone,

So this might be worth while looking at if folks were interested.

SF

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RE: initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Brianna,

Firstly the sound, no I thoughtthat would be a big thing as I’m not really in 
to big base
Even though I’m a fan of rock genre

I did not in the 20 or so minutes I was playing with them at the time notice 
any lag when typing and that was email using my iPad pro 11” and the built in 
Mail app.

And I can’t say I notice lag through my earpodss series 2 either so possibly it 
is that upgrade in chip that corrected previous lag.

I haven’t yet taken a phone call on them so can’t comment on that one yet.

One thing I did think of this afternoon when I got home was that with the size 
of the charging case I’m wondering why they didn’t put wireless charging in the 
beats pro case as it’s big enough to have it

to try and describe the size of the pro charging case
it’s about the size of the box that the earpods come in,

that’s the cardboard packaging  you would get if you purchase the earpods from 
apple that would be the physical size of the case but slightly higher and has a 
rounded lid on it.

It’s a shame really that people can’t try these in store or at least look at 
them out of a package.

Good luck.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brianna Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initial view of Power Beats pro

Hi,

Thanks for your thoughts on these. I keep looking at reviews on them, so it's 
nice to have a perspective from a VoiceOver user.
I had the first generation of AirPods, but returned them due to lag and missing 
phone calls because of said lag.
Have you noticed that these work better when typing with VoiceOver? I've heard 
that the chip in both these and the AirPods 2 is supposed to fix most of the 
lag issue.
As for sound quality, do you find it too bassy? That's what I've seen a lot of 
people say.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Brianna
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2019, at 12:44 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Folk,s,

Thought I’d give you a quick run down of the power vbeats pro headphones,
So apart from the fact the headphones case is about 5 times the physical size 
of the earpods charging case, it’s a nice package
Similar to an enlarged ring box from a jeweler,

When you left the lid
The pods sit in grooved sockets with the hocks lying in the middle rolling back 
over the top of the actual pods,
Hi Listers,

So my Power Beats Pro pods turned up this morning,

Interesting design,

Physically larger than the Apple Earpods

Both the pods themselves and the charging case,

The PowerBeats Pro case would be approximately 5 times the size of the Earpods 
case

With a somewhat clam shell design.

With a lightening port at the back of the case.

The physical pods  are much larger in size than the Earpods
Possibly twice the size not including the ear hock,

But even with that increased size the power beats pro sit in your ear nicely,

Pairing is similar to that of the Earpods,
Open the clam shell lid and your IOS device automatically picks up the 
Bluetooth connection signal from the power beats pro
And  a tap of the connect icon on the device screen connects the beats pro 
quickly to the device…

There is a quiet chime to indicate connection

I’ll say that to me the pairing and connection of the Power Beats Pro pods to 
my iPhone x was quicker than that of my Apple EarPods S2  and less problematic.

The  sound quality is very clear and somewhat less body than that of the 
Earpods,
Still very clear and sharp but somewhat less body when it comes to listening to 
music.

Although this was onbly over 20 minutes of playing around with them.

The controls on the beats pro work extremely well including listening with one 
beats pro and controlling play / pause and volume from the other pod (not in  
your ear).


The over ear hook is a soft rubberized plastic, it’s unusual to have the hook 
over your ear when your not use to it, but it’s not overly noticeable as the 
prto pods just hung in my ears even during movemen

Overall thus far I think they are pretty good and well worth looking into if 
you were looking to purchase headphones

Sorry just a short and sweet review.

Simon F
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I don't believe apple have windows drivers to deal with the touch bar is part 
of the issue,
 Most likely more they don't want windows using their touch bar tech,

Either way yes I have heard the same.

 As for the keyboard, 
Yeah really struggling to get use to it,
But it's very slowly growing on me.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 11:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

I think it is because the Touch Bar replaces the physical function keys. Like I 
said, I am only going by what I have been told when I was looking to buy my 
first Mac. I actually love the modern keyboards, but I think I am in the 
minority.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 24/07/2019, at 10:05, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
> Hey,I actually didn’t know that. I wonder why that is. I also haven’t had a 
> chance to tactfully explore the new keyboards. I’m upgrading from a 2012 
> MacBook.
> Thanks for sharing!
> Ibraheem 
> 
> 
> 
> Mistakes sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ibraheem,
>> You probably know this already, but I don’t think you can use Windows on the 
>> Mac books that have a Touch Bar. I have a MacBook Pro 15 inch with the Touch 
>> Bar and have been told I can’t run windows on it, suits me fine as I don’t 
>> really want to.
>> 
>> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24/07/2019, at 00:42, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ibraheem
>> 
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ibraheem

Yes I have also as petrus said heard this about the touch bar models of Mac 
Book Pro.

 Note this is now all Mac Book Pro models both 13 and 15inch as the newly 
released Mac Book Pro range a couple of weeks ago have replaced the mac book 
pro models with out the touch bar, or simply put the entry level mac book pros.

But apple do have refurbished devices listed on their websites so it may be 
worth checking that out for a 2017  or 2018 model pro without touch bar,

That's where I got my 13inch pro from .
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 10:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

Hey,I actually didn’t know that. I wonder why that is. I also haven’t had a 
chance to tactfully explore the new keyboards. I’m upgrading from a 2012 
MacBook.
Thanks for sharing!
Ibraheem 



Mistakes sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ibraheem,
> You probably know this already, but I don’t think you can use Windows on the 
> Mac books that have a Touch Bar. I have a MacBook Pro 15 inch with the Touch 
> Bar and have been told I can’t run windows on it, suits me fine as I don’t 
> really want to.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
>> On 24/07/2019, at 00:42, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>> 
>> Ibraheem
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RE: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ibraheem

Interesting requirements

I've just recently been through the same thing finding a machine that would 
work for me in both cases,
Windows through Bootcamp and Mac OS of course.


I managed to get a refurbished Mac Book pro 2017 13 inch with the specs I 
wanted from the apple website under refurbished computers,

 Might be worth having a look at that list as well.

 With the currently listed new machines from apple the Newly released Mac Book 
Pro's  only have the ttouch bar and therefore don't work well with windows both 
in bootcamp or a virtual machine,

 I've not tried this myself but it's what I've been advised of by a number of 
people both technictions and users of mac products.

 Again look in to refurbished devices of the 2018 or older models for the mac 
book pros.

As for the mac book air,
  Yeah the new ones are nice but have the butterfly keyboard which I personally 
am not a fan of,

 But they do have up to 16GB ram 
A 1.5TB SSD 
And use USB-C as the connection type for both external devices  and charging.

I personally question the processor which was a 1.6GHz dual core processor 
although an 8th gen I believe so should still have good power to run windows.
But it is probably the better machine to look at  due to not having the touch 
bar 

 Depending on what it is you wish to do I personally had as my previous Mac 
book air,
8GB ram and 512GB SSD
And at the time an upgraded processor to the I7 available 

 And it's worked great for 6 years.

The air is cheaper and smaller form factor but will give you the benefits of 
the upcoming  Mac OS 10.15.x
Which will also assist you.

Hope this helps.
 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: In the market for a new laptop- your advice

Hey group,

Hope you’re all well! I’m in the market for a new Apple laptop, looking for 
something that can run windows jaws and Duxbury. Saw the MacBook Pro and the 
MacBook Aire posted online, and unsure if the higher end of the MacBook Aire is 
fit to do the job or if the MacBook Pro is the better option here. Any 
suggestions?

I’m looking to run windows on either  Boot Camp or virtual hard drive, also 
looking for suggestions on this set up. All input  is  deeply appreciated.

All best,
Ibraheem

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initial view of Power Beats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Folk,s,

Thought I'd give you a quick run down of the power vbeats pro headphones,
So apart from the fact the headphones case is about 5 times the physical size 
of the earpods charging case, it's a nice package
Similar to an enlarged ring box from a jeweler,

When you left the lid
The pods sit in grooved sockets with the hocks lying in the middle rolling back 
over the top of the actual pods,
Hi Listers,

So my Power Beats Pro pods turned up this morning,

Interesting design,

Physically larger than the Apple Earpods

Both the pods themselves and the charging case,

The PowerBeats Pro case would be approximately 5 times the size of the Earpods 
case

With a somewhat clam shell design.

With a lightening port at the back of the case.

The physical pods  are much larger in size than the Earpods
Possibly twice the size not including the ear hock,

But even with that increased size the power beats pro sit in your ear nicely,

Pairing is similar to that of the Earpods,
Open the clam shell lid and your IOS device automatically picks up the 
Bluetooth connection signal from the power beats pro
And  a tap of the connect icon on the device screen connects the beats pro 
quickly to the device...

There is a quiet chime to indicate connection

I'll say that to me the pairing and connection of the Power Beats Pro pods to 
my iPhone x was quicker than that of my Apple EarPods S2  and less problematic.

The  sound quality is very clear and somewhat less body than that of the 
Earpods,
Still very clear and sharp but somewhat less body when it comes to listening to 
music.

Although this was onbly over 20 minutes of playing around with them.

The controls on the beats pro work extremely well including listening with one 
beats pro and controlling play / pause and volume from the other pod (not in  
your ear).


The over ear hook is a soft rubberized plastic, it's unusual to have the hook 
over your ear when your not use to it, but it's not overly noticeable as the 
prto pods just hung in my ears even during movemen

Overall thus far I think they are pretty good and well worth looking into if 
you were looking to purchase headphones

Sorry just a short and sweet review.

Simon F

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RE: Xcode

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes in the later versions of the Mac OS xcode is very usable.

I know there are a number of blind coders both on this list and out there?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tibor Niesner
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2019 5:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Xcode

Hello,

Do you use Xcode? Are here blind developers? Can the blind Xcode use without 
problems? How to create of programs for Apple platforms when is human the blind?

Thank you.

Tibor Niesner

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RE: I can't update apps in APPStore on IOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Is it your apps are not updating or your just not able to see them being 
updated?

There is a known issue where the voiceover kersor gets kicked back to the top 
of the screen in the app store window  and somewhat stops the user  seeing the 
updates install.

And your English is better than others including my own spelling / grammar

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Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2019 8:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: I can't update apps in APPStore on IOS

Hello,

I have a problem with update in APPStore last 3 days. When I click to button 
update all so isn't downloaded no updated or one update. Allready I tried sign 
out from my Apple ID in APPStore, unfortunately it was after downloading all 
updates. Do you know what could I do with it?

Thank you.

Note: Sorry for my English.  

Tibor Niesner

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RE: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Looking at the amazon prime video app on my Apple tv I can't find an 
accessibility feature anywhere in the settings of the application.

 However I did remember that when I set up my amazon prime account or 
subscription I did this through an online form through my internet service 
providera as it was part of a deal when I joined them.

 I wondered if the accessibility setup was some kind of service enabled att the 
time I setup the subscription / registration.
I'll keep looking but can't see where the hell the accessibility features are.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 12:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

Thanks, Simon.  I’ll give that a try today.

Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I idnd't get anything like that,
> 
> Everything worked fine for me during install and setup.
> 
> Hope the reinstall works better.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I somehow missed your first message, so am responding to Mary's message.
> 
> Thanks for confirming that this works.  My husband looked at the screen, and 
> he said that when I opened Prime, all he could see was a blank screen.  so I 
> think you're right, I'll try deleting and reinstalling.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> I’m very curious whether you can adjust the speech parameters when you are 
>> in prime. There are a whole bunch of apps on the Amazon fire TV platform 
>> that don’t respect the speech that you have established with their native 
>> screen reader. They all speak dreadfully slow way and you can’t change them. 
>> Is the prime app that way? Or can you adjust the speed? I really am not a 
>> fan of self voicing apps that don’t let you decide what you want with your 
>> speech.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> That's odd,
>>> 
>>> I installed amazon prime a few weeks ago and I think it's great,
>>> 
>>> I start up prime and voiceover stops talking to me but prime starts talking 
>>> to me itself 
>>> 
>>> It actually has it's own screen reader built in and it's so far pretty good 
>>> including the audio description which auto plays with  the tv shows I've so 
>>> far vbeen watching.
>>> 
>>> I'd say remove it and try reinstalling so to get a clean start
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 6:40 AM
>>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded Prime Video on my Apple TV.  When I try and open it, the 
>>> screen goes dark, and Voiceover says QuickNav On.  After that, VO is 
>>> silent, though I know it's on, because the one thing I am able to do is 
>>> toggle it on and off.  I've never heard of QuickNav being activated on my 
>>> Apple TV before.  And the weird thing is--I assume this is because of 
>>> QuickNav, I can't even back out of the app.  Can anyone help?  How do I 
>>> turn off QuickNav, and how do I make Prime Video work?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna 
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RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

And a smart keyboard for the ipad pro.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 1:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

I hate Outlook on Windows.  Also, I’m perfectly happy with Mail on every other 
device.  It just really sucks on the iPad if you are using a BT keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark & Donna,
> 
> Have either of you tried Outlook for IOS?
> 
> I've been playing around with it and it's still not my favourite but it's 
> worth having a look at.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 4:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro
> 
> Hello Donna and Simon,
> 
> I, too, have to admit that of all of the native apps for iPad, Mail is my 
> least favorite.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:55 PM
> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro
> 
> Yeah I gotta admit mail on the ipad isn’t my most favourite application.
> 
> I’d prefer mail to work on my ipad like it does on the iPhone,
> 
> The way it opens into a message but has the listed messages at the top kind 
> of makes it difficult to keep track of where I am.
> 
> 
> 
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 12:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro
> 
> Hi Mark and Kliph,
> 
> I, too, am becoming more and more of a fan of my iPad, and am seriously 
> thinking that it could soon replace my Mac.  But I have one question for the 
> two of you.  The one thing I really don't like on the iPad is dealing with 
> Mail.  I find it to be much slower and cludgier, than on the Mac when using a 
> bluetooth keyboard.  I'm curious about how the two of you handle this.  
> Basically, what I want to be able to do, is scroll through my list of emails, 
> reading those that I want to read, and deleting those that I don't.  That 
> seems like it should be a fairly simple and straight forward thing to do.  
> But I am always taken into the body of the selected message, which takes me 
> away from the message list.  Then, I have to scroll back up to the top, get 
> back into the message list, and repeat for each subsequent message.  Have 
> either of you found a better way of doing this?  Kliph, like you, I'm using 
> the Logitech Slim Combo keyboard, which I think is the equivalent of the slim 
> folio for the 9-inch iPad. and I completely agree with your assessment of it. 
>  I love it.
> 
> Thanks in advance to both of you for any thoughts on this.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:01 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:
> 
> Well,glad you love your iPadPro.  I also have an iPadPro, but have replaced 
> my computer with iPad use for over a year now.  The Keybaord of my choice is 
> the logitech slim folio pro.  Not better, just like there products.  And I am 
> testing the iPad OS, and it is very stable.  Love the new features, because 
> of the NDA, I won’t talk about them here, but you will love them.  Check out 
> the eposode of my podcast called, “tech and sports at it’s best”. There I 
> interview someone who helped teach a free course on how he came to replace 
> his triditional computer with his iPad, and convinced me to do the same.  I 
> absolutley need my mac for nothing anymore, especially with iPad OS new 
> features.
> ut
> Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, sports, 
> have special guests, and is always family friendly We are now on Apple Anchor 
> Spotify Google Podcasts OverCast stitcher Breaker PodBean And on Radio Public 
> You can send an email between Podcasts with your questions, comments, or 
> suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com Listen to our live stream on periscope 
> Follow us on Twitter And follow our blog for updates and announcements
> 
> On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> Hi Marc;
> I’m really happy for you.
> Use your iPad Pro and good health.
> God bless
> Anthony
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
> On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, it's official, I absolutely love my iPad Pro.  I have owned it almost 
> five months, now, and find that I am using it more and more, each day.  I am 
> certain that my new

RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Yeah that was my thought

I still cant say I'm a fan of the focused in box, but you can disable that 
feature.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 5:02 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

On the advice of a few people, I have switched to Outlook for email on my iPad. 
It works the way Apple Mail should work.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936


On 15 Jul 2019, at 22:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Mark and Kliph,

I, too, am becoming more and more of a fan of my iPad, and am seriously 
thinking that it could soon replace my Mac.  But I have one question for the 
two of you.  The one thing I really don't like on the iPad is dealing with 
Mail.  I find it to be much slower and cludgier, than on the Mac when using a 
bluetooth keyboard.  I'm curious about how the two of you handle this.  
Basically, what I want to be able to do, is scroll through my list of emails, 
reading those that I want to read, and deleting those that I don't.  That seems 
like it should be a fairly simple and straight forward thing to do.  But I am 
always taken into the body of the selected message, which takes me away from 
the message list.  Then, I have to scroll back up to the top, get back into the 
message list, and repeat for each subsequent message.  Have either of you found 
a better way of doing this?  Kliph, like you, I'm using the Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, which I think is the equivalent of the slim folio for the 9-inch 
iPad. and I completely agree with your assessment of it.  I love it.

Thanks in advance to both of you for any thoughts on this.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:01 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:

Well,glad you love your iPadPro.  I also have an iPadPro, but have replaced my 
computer with iPad use for over a year now.  The Keybaord of my choice is the 
logitech slim folio pro.  Not better, just like there products.  And I am 
testing the iPad OS, and it is very stable.  Love the new features, because of 
the NDA, I won’t talk about them here, but you will love them.  Check out the 
eposode of my podcast called, “tech and sports at it’s best”. There I interview 
someone who helped teach a free course on how he came to replace his 
triditional computer with his iPad, and convinced me to do the same.  I 
absolutley need my mac for nothing anymore, especially with iPad OS new 
features.
 ut

Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, sports, have 
special guests, and is always family friendly

We are now on Apple

Anchor

Spotify

Google Podcasts

OverCast

stitcher

Breaker

PodBean

And on Radio Public

You can send an email between Podcasts with your questions, comments, or 
suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com

Listen to our live stream on periscope

Follow us on Twitter

And follow our blog for updates and announcements


On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

Hi Marc;
I’m really happy for you.
Use your iPad Pro and good health.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello All,

Okay, it's official, I absolutely love my iPad Pro.  I have owned it almost 
five months, now, and find that I am using it more and more, each day.  I am 
certain that my new found appreciation of the tablet has to do with the Apple 
Smart Keyboard, an accessory that makes iPad feel more like a moble desktop 
than a tablet.  

What I am discovering is that I enjoy the fusion of the hardware keyboard and 
the touch screen.  This makes what are sometimes challenging websites for my PC 
and/or Mac computers much more easily accessible.  

I find that I am using a much wider range of iOS apps on iPad than I ever would 
have on iPhone because of the convenience of the Smart Keyboard.  

For example, I now manage all of the administrative functions of this group on 
my iPad where as I used to only manage it via my PC.  Simply put, the 
experience is better on iPad than on a desktop; iPhone is simply too small and 
there is the issue of not having an easily accessible hardware keyboard for 
iPhone.  Yes, I have a Apple Bluetooth keybord for iPhone but I much prefer to 
use the iPad Smart Keyboard.

For so many years I was of the opinion that the VoiceOver experience on iPhone 
would/should be the same on iPad.  I was completely wrong on this point.

I'm seriously thinking about activating the LTE feature on the tablet but have 
not yet done so because I use it, primarily, at home.

I have decided not to install any financial / money management apps on it 
because the iPhone works just fine and I do anticipate using iPad on a public 
Wi-Fi sooner or later, assuming I do not activate LTE or make use of my 
tethering option.  

Now I'm not suggesting that I would buy a tablet instead of a Mac or PC 

RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark & Donna,

Have either of you tried Outlook for IOS?

I've been playing around with it and it's still not my favourite but it's worth 
having a look at.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 4:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

Hello Donna and Simon,

I, too, have to admit that of all of the native apps for iPad, Mail is my least 
favorite.

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:55 PM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

Yeah I gotta admit mail on the ipad isn’t my most favourite application.

I’d prefer mail to work on my ipad like it does on the iPhone,

The way it opens into a message but has the listed messages at the top kind of 
makes it difficult to keep track of where I am.



From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 12:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

Hi Mark and Kliph,

I, too, am becoming more and more of a fan of my iPad, and am seriously 
thinking that it could soon replace my Mac.  But I have one question for the 
two of you.  The one thing I really don't like on the iPad is dealing with 
Mail.  I find it to be much slower and cludgier, than on the Mac when using a 
bluetooth keyboard.  I'm curious about how the two of you handle this.  
Basically, what I want to be able to do, is scroll through my list of emails, 
reading those that I want to read, and deleting those that I don't.  That seems 
like it should be a fairly simple and straight forward thing to do.  But I am 
always taken into the body of the selected message, which takes me away from 
the message list.  Then, I have to scroll back up to the top, get back into the 
message list, and repeat for each subsequent message.  Have either of you found 
a better way of doing this?  Kliph, like you, I'm using the Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, which I think is the equivalent of the slim folio for the 9-inch 
iPad. and I completely agree with your assessment of it.  I love it.

Thanks in advance to both of you for any thoughts on this.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:01 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:

Well,glad you love your iPadPro.  I also have an iPadPro, but have replaced my 
computer with iPad use for over a year now.  The Keybaord of my choice is the 
logitech slim folio pro.  Not better, just like there products.  And I am 
testing the iPad OS, and it is very stable.  Love the new features, because of 
the NDA, I won’t talk about them here, but you will love them.  Check out the 
eposode of my podcast called, “tech and sports at it’s best”. There I interview 
someone who helped teach a free course on how he came to replace his 
triditional computer with his iPad, and convinced me to do the same.  I 
absolutley need my mac for nothing anymore, especially with iPad OS new 
features.
 ut
Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, sports, have 
special guests, and is always family friendly We are now on Apple Anchor 
Spotify Google Podcasts OverCast stitcher Breaker PodBean And on Radio Public 
You can send an email between Podcasts with your questions, comments, or 
suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com Listen to our live stream on periscope 
Follow us on Twitter And follow our blog for updates and announcements

On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
Hi Marc;
I’m really happy for you.
Use your iPad Pro and good health.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello All,

Okay, it's official, I absolutely love my iPad Pro.  I have owned it almost 
five months, now, and find that I am using it more and more, each day.  I am 
certain that my new found appreciation of the tablet has to do with the Apple 
Smart Keyboard, an accessory that makes iPad feel more like a moble desktop 
than a tablet.  

What I am discovering is that I enjoy the fusion of the hardware keyboard and 
the touch screen.  This makes what are sometimes challenging websites for my PC 
and/or Mac computers much more easily accessible.  

I find that I am using a much wider range of iOS apps on iPad than I ever would 
have on iPhone because of the convenience of the Smart Keyboard.  

For example, I now manage all of the administrative functions of this group on 
my iPad where as I used to only manage it via my PC.  Simply put, the 
experience is better on iPad than on a desktop; iPhone is simply too small and 
there is the issue of not having an easily accessible hardware keyboard for 
iPhone.  Yes, I have a Apple Bluetooth keybord for iPhone but I much prefer to 
use the iPad Smart Keyboard.

For so many years I was of the opinion that the VoiceOver experi

RE: Prime video and self-voicing

[Simon Fogarty]

I don't remember having to switch any accessibility features in prime on,

I thought it was just automatically enabled due to voiceover running 

I can't think of anything other than that,


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 8:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Prime video and self-voicing

Hi Jessica,

I'm running it on my Apple TV.  On that device, Netflix works great, but so 
far, not much luck with Prime.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I had no idea Prime video was self-voicing; is that on anything it happens to 
> run on, or just specific devices?  I’ve found it works really well on my 
> firestick with voice view, but the crazy thing is, Netflix only does about a 
> so-so- job, and is extremely slow on my end.  However, I can run it on my 
> Phone, and it works flawlessly, and is completely accessible.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 3:49 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again, all,
>> 
>> A thought occurred to me after our exchanges this morning.  Is there 
>> something I have to do to turn on self-voicing in Prime?  When I turned on 
>> my Apple TV this afternoon, it said that Prime video had recently updated.  
>> When I tried to open it, it looked like there was something on the screen, 
>> but I still got no speech, so I wondered if I have to turn on the 
>> self-voicing feature.  Again, appreciate any help.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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RE: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

I find the audio both audio description and screen reading both very good,

I"ll try having a look at the settings in the prime app if I get a chance today.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John JD Denning
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 4:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

I also would like to be able to adjust the speech in the Amazon prime app. 
Especially the verbosity. I would much rather it not have its own speech but 
just use voiceover.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 06:29, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Honestly I have no idea,
> I set it up and it just seemed to work If I get a chance tomorrow I'll have a 
> look at what configuration settings are available.
> 
> I must admit it was a pig of a process to set it up as it has a code which is 
> or should I say was difficult to hear with amazon and voiceover talking 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 4:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
> 
> Hi Simon,
> I’m very curious whether you can adjust the speech parameters when you are in 
> prime. There are a whole bunch of apps on the Amazon fire TV platform that 
> don’t respect the speech that you have established with their native screen 
> reader. They all speak dreadfully slow way and you can’t change them. Is the 
> prime app that way? Or can you adjust the speed? I really am not a fan of 
> self voicing apps that don’t let you decide what you want with your speech.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> That's odd,
>> 
>> I installed amazon prime a few weeks ago and I think it's great,
>> 
>> I start up prime and voiceover stops talking to me but prime starts talking 
>> to me itself 
>> 
>> It actually has it's own screen reader built in and it's so far pretty good 
>> including the audio description which auto plays with  the tv shows I've so 
>> far vbeen watching.
>> 
>> I'd say remove it and try reinstalling so to get a clean start
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 6:40 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just downloaded Prime Video on my Apple TV.  When I try and open it, the 
>> screen goes dark, and Voiceover says QuickNav On.  After that, VO is silent, 
>> though I know it's on, because the one thing I am able to do is toggle it on 
>> and off.  I've never heard of QuickNav being activated on my Apple TV 
>> before.  And the weird thing is--I assume this is because of QuickNav, I 
>> can't even back out of the app.  Can anyone help?  How do I turn off 
>> QuickNav, and how do I make Prime Video work?
>> TIA,
>> Donna 
>> 
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RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I gotta admit mail on the ipad isn’t my most favourite application.

I’d prefer mail to work on my ipad like it does on the iPhone,

The way it opens into a message but has the listed messages at the top kind of 
makes it difficult to keep track of where I am.



From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2019 12:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

Hi Mark and Kliph,

I, too, am becoming more and more of a fan of my iPad, and am seriously 
thinking that it could soon replace my Mac.  But I have one question for the 
two of you.  The one thing I really don't like on the iPad is dealing with 
Mail.  I find it to be much slower and cludgier, than on the Mac when using a 
bluetooth keyboard.  I'm curious about how the two of you handle this.  
Basically, what I want to be able to do, is scroll through my list of emails, 
reading those that I want to read, and deleting those that I don't.  That seems 
like it should be a fairly simple and straight forward thing to do.  But I am 
always taken into the body of the selected message, which takes me away from 
the message list.  Then, I have to scroll back up to the top, get back into the 
message list, and repeat for each subsequent message.  Have either of you found 
a better way of doing this?  Kliph, like you, I'm using the Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, which I think is the equivalent of the slim folio for the 9-inch 
iPad. and I completely agree with your assessment of it.  I love it.

Thanks in advance to both of you for any thoughts on this.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:01 AM, KliphnShari Miller 
mailto:kliphnsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well,glad you love your iPadPro.  I also have an iPadPro, but have replaced my 
computer with iPad use for over a year now.  The Keybaord of my choice is the 
logitech slim folio pro.  Not better, just like there products.  And I am 
testing the iPad OS, and it is very stable.  Love the new features, because of 
the NDA, I won’t talk about them here, but you will love them.  Check out the 
eposode of my podcast called, “tech and sports at it’s best”. There I interview 
someone who helped teach a free course on how he came to replace his 
triditional computer with his iPad, and convinced me to do the same.  I 
absolutley need my mac for nothing anymore, especially with iPad OS new 
features.
 ut

Come checkout the stur it up Podcast, where we discuss technology, sports, have 
special guests, and is always family friendly

We are now on 
Apple

Anchor

Spotify

Google Podcasts

OverCast

stitcher

Breaker

PodBean

And on Radio Public

You can send an email between Podcasts with your questions, comments, or 
suggestions to: sturi...@icloud.com

Listen to our live stream on periscope

Follow us on Twitter

And follow our blog for updates and 
announcements


On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Marc;
I’m really happy for you.
Use your iPad Pro and good health.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:

Hello All,

Okay, it's official, I absolutely love my iPad Pro.  I have owned it almost
five months, now, and find that I am using it more and more, each day.  I am
certain that my new found appreciation of the tablet has to do with the
Apple Smart Keyboard, an accessory that makes iPad feel more like a moble
desktop than a tablet.

What I am discovering is that I enjoy the fusion of the hardware keyboard
and the touch screen.  This makes what are sometimes challenging websites
for my PC and/or Mac computers much more easily accessible.

I find that I am using a much wider range of iOS apps on iPad than I ever
would have on iPhone because of the convenience of the Smart Keyboard.

For example, I now manage all of the administrative functions of this group
on my iPad where as I used to only manage it via my PC.  Simply put, the
experience is better on iPad than on a desktop; iPhone is simply too small
and there is the issue of not having an easily accessible hardware keyboard
for iPhone.  Yes, I have a Apple Bluetooth keybord for iPhone but I much
prefer to use the iPad Smart Keyboard.

For so many years I was of the opinion that the VoiceOver experience on
iPhone would/should be the same on iPad.  I was completely wrong on this
point.

RE: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 I idnd't get anything like that,

Everything worked fine for me during install and setup.

 Hope the reinstall works better.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

Hi Simon,

I somehow missed your first message, so am responding to Mary's message.

Thanks for confirming that this works.  My husband looked at the screen, and he 
said that when I opened Prime, all he could see was a blank screen.  so I think 
you're right, I'll try deleting and reinstalling.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> I’m very curious whether you can adjust the speech parameters when you are in 
> prime. There are a whole bunch of apps on the Amazon fire TV platform that 
> don’t respect the speech that you have established with their native screen 
> reader. They all speak dreadfully slow way and you can’t change them. Is the 
> prime app that way? Or can you adjust the speed? I really am not a fan of 
> self voicing apps that don’t let you decide what you want with your speech.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> That's odd,
>> 
>> I installed amazon prime a few weeks ago and I think it's great,
>> 
>> I start up prime and voiceover stops talking to me but prime starts talking 
>> to me itself 
>> 
>> It actually has it's own screen reader built in and it's so far pretty good 
>> including the audio description which auto plays with  the tv shows I've so 
>> far vbeen watching.
>> 
>> I'd say remove it and try reinstalling so to get a clean start
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 6:40 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just downloaded Prime Video on my Apple TV.  When I try and open it, the 
>> screen goes dark, and Voiceover says QuickNav On.  After that, VO is silent, 
>> though I know it's on, because the one thing I am able to do is toggle it on 
>> and off.  I've never heard of QuickNav being activated on my Apple TV 
>> before.  And the weird thing is--I assume this is because of QuickNav, I 
>> can't even back out of the app.  Can anyone help?  How do I turn off 
>> QuickNav, and how do I make Prime Video work?
>> TIA,
>> Donna 
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RE: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Honestly I have no idea,
 I set it up and it just seemed to work If I get a chance tomorrow I'll have a 
look at what configuration settings are available.

 I must admit it was a pig of a process to set it up as it has a code which is 
or should I say was difficult to hear with amazon and voiceover talking 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 4:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

Hi Simon,
I’m very curious whether you can adjust the speech parameters when you are in 
prime. There are a whole bunch of apps on the Amazon fire TV platform that 
don’t respect the speech that you have established with their native screen 
reader. They all speak dreadfully slow way and you can’t change them. Is the 
prime app that way? Or can you adjust the speed? I really am not a fan of self 
voicing apps that don’t let you decide what you want with your speech.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> That's odd,
> 
> I installed amazon prime a few weeks ago and I think it's great,
> 
> I start up prime and voiceover stops talking to me but prime starts talking 
> to me itself 
> 
> It actually has it's own screen reader built in and it's so far pretty good 
> including the audio description which auto plays with  the tv shows I've so 
> far vbeen watching.
> 
> I'd say remove it and try reinstalling so to get a clean start
> 
> 
> Good luck.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 6:40 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just downloaded Prime Video on my Apple TV.  When I try and open it, the 
> screen goes dark, and Voiceover says QuickNav On.  After that, VO is silent, 
> though I know it's on, because the one thing I am able to do is toggle it on 
> and off.  I've never heard of QuickNav being activated on my Apple TV before. 
>  And the weird thing is--I assume this is because of QuickNav, I can't even 
> back out of the app.  Can anyone help?  How do I turn off QuickNav, and how 
> do I make Prime Video work?
> TIA,
> Donna 
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RE: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Mark,

 You sure you want to leteveryone know about these fetishes on this list?

I have to admit I like mine also but don't use it enough as I can't work in 
windows world on it,

I'd use my 11" pro only if I could do things like powershell and Active 
directory administration work from it,

 So far I can't get remote desktop work to either mac or windows based machines 
working with screen readers, this would make my life so much easier and simpler 
if I only had one device.

Cheers mark for the great info,
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Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Okay, It's Official, Mark Loves His iPad Pro

Hello All,

Okay, it's official, I absolutely love my iPad Pro.  I have owned it almost 
five months, now, and find that I am using it more and more, each day.  I am 
certain that my new found appreciation of the tablet has to do with the Apple 
Smart Keyboard, an accessory that makes iPad feel more like a moble desktop 
than a tablet.  

What I am discovering is that I enjoy the fusion of the hardware keyboard and 
the touch screen.  This makes what are sometimes challenging websites for my PC 
and/or Mac computers much more easily accessible.  

I find that I am using a much wider range of iOS apps on iPad than I ever would 
have on iPhone because of the convenience of the Smart Keyboard.  

For example, I now manage all of the administrative functions of this group on 
my iPad where as I used to only manage it via my PC.  Simply put, the 
experience is better on iPad than on a desktop; iPhone is simply too small and 
there is the issue of not having an easily accessible hardware keyboard for 
iPhone.  Yes, I have a Apple Bluetooth keybord for iPhone but I much prefer to 
use the iPad Smart Keyboard.

For so many years I was of the opinion that the VoiceOver experience on iPhone 
would/should be the same on iPad.  I was completely wrong on this point.

I'm seriously thinking about activating the LTE feature on the tablet but have 
not yet done so because I use it, primarily, at home.

I have decided not to install any financial / money management apps on it 
because the iPhone works just fine and I do anticipate using iPad on a public 
Wi-Fi sooner or later, assuming I do not activate LTE or make use of my 
tethering option.  

Now I'm not suggesting that I would buy a tablet instead of a Mac or PC 
computer; but I am saying that the tablet certainly augments both my web 
browsing accessibility experience and my confidence in terms of accessing 
various software applications and challenging websites.

In short, it is a wonderful addition to my other technology, not a replacement 
for it.

As a ten-year iPHone user, it has taken a little time to get used to iPad and 
its advantages and, in some cases, its disadvantages.  

It will be interesting to discover how Apple will further increase the 
distinction between iOS and iPad OS, this fall.  

I had planned on installing the beta of iPad OS on my iPad Pro but, I am 
enjoying using iPad so much that I find that I have no desire to test the new 
OS until it is much more stable (smile).

Just thought I would post this for those of you who may be considering iPad.
If you do decide to move forward with a purchase, I cannot stress enough the 
important, in my opinion, of also buying, if not the Apple Smart Keyboard, then 
at least an iPad-compatible BlueTooth Keyboard.

In the Journey,

Mark


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RE: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

That's odd,

I installed amazon prime a few weeks ago and I think it's great,

 I start up prime and voiceover stops talking to me but prime starts talking to 
me itself 

It actually has it's own screen reader built in and it's so far pretty good 
including the audio description which auto plays with  the tv shows I've so far 
vbeen watching.

 I'd say remove it and try reinstalling so to get a clean start


Good luck.
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From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 6:40 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Quicknav on Apple TV, also setting up Prime Video

Hi all,

I just downloaded Prime Video on my Apple TV.  When I try and open it, the 
screen goes dark, and Voiceover says QuickNav On.  After that, VO is silent, 
though I know it's on, because the one thing I am able to do is toggle it on 
and off.  I've never heard of QuickNav being activated on my Apple TV before.  
And the weird thing is--I assume this is because of QuickNav, I can't even back 
out of the app.  Can anyone help?  How do I turn off QuickNav, and how do I 
make Prime Video work?
TIA,
Donna 

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RE: Double trouble in apple music.

[Simon Fogarty]

I have seen something similar in itunes when going to purchase an album where 
some songs / tracks are not available to me when I try to purchase them.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 5:57 AM
To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Double trouble in apple music.

Hi!
Has anyone seen this behaviour.
I have albums in apple music which show up twice and the second one of these 
doesn’t include the whole album.
But there’s a button saying something like show complete album or so.
But these songs that  shows up when you press that button wont play due to 
country restrictions.
The first album of these two is the complete one and can be played as normal.
SO i don’t understand what’s going on here.
If this continues i will go for spotify or some other service.
/A

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RE: Calls from other devices.

[Simon Fogarty]

I can only assume that is your situation.

My watch is paired to my iPhone and it will ring if I get a call on the fphone.

 I have the gps watch as we don't have an LTE option here in nz,

 I'm not sure what would happen if you got a cal via facetime via your apple ID 
which should make any IOS device using that apple ID to ring.

I think then your watch and your phones would all ring.


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Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2019 4:47 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Calls from other devices.

Hi!
Ok, so that is the thing then.
THe pairing from the Phone to the Watch.
Then i’ve got it.
Thanks  Simon.
/A

> 8 juli 2019 kl. 10:58 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly but I'll give an answer that I 
> hope might help.
> 
> Your apple watch is paired with one iPhone and therefore picks up phone calls 
> associated with that phone when a call is received.
> 
> If you have a second phone then you should be able to call it from your 
> primary phone and associated apple watch,
> 
> If your apple watch is a series 3 or 4  with LTE then you should be able to 
> make phone calls to any other device that is if I understand how the LTE 
> watchs work.
> 
> Hope that makes sense and helps with what your asking. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 8:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Calls from other devices.
> 
> Hello Anders,
> 
> I haven’t got an Apple Watch and I am no expert by a long shot. But I am 
> guessing that is because your Apple Watch is paired with your iPhone, but 
> your other devices like your extra phone are not.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
>> On 7/07/2019, at 06:21, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I  have set up my  Iphone so i can take calls from other devices.
>> However what i don’t understand is tha you seem to be able to take a call 
>> from your apple watch when you are  out and about but if you have another 
>> iphone with another sim card you can’t take calls from it or make calls to 
>> it.
>> Can anyone explain this?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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RE: installing mac osx on vmware fusion.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

If you started the beta installation on your primary machine 
Then stopped the install before it got to far,
 You could move the dmg file or app file from the applications folder then put 
it where fusion would find it.

I can't see why this would be different to that of an update of a production OS.

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Sent: Monday, 8 July 2019 9:12 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: installing mac osx on vmware fusion.

So if I were to run MacOS Catalina in VMWare Fusion, where would I obtain the 
image file from which to install it, and how would I activate voiceover during 
or after the installation?  In the usual way?

Andrew
> On 8 Jul 2019, at 09:50, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes I tried it a couple of years ago
> 
> It worked ok but I was only playing around with it at the time.
> 
> I don't see why you couldn't run the beta in it,
> 
> 
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> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: installing mac osx on vmware fusion.
> 
> Hi!
> It seems that you can install mac os in Vmware Fusion?
> Has anyone here tried that.
> I was thinking if i join the beta i can install it in a vm and i wont get a 
> nasty crash i had 2 weeks ago.
> /A
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RE: Calls from other devices.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly but I'll give an answer that I 
hope might help.

 Your apple watch is paired with one iPhone and therefore picks up phone calls 
associated with that phone when a call is received.

 If you have a second phone then you should be able to call it from your 
primary phone and associated apple watch,

If your apple watch is a series 3 or 4  with LTE then you should be able to 
make phone calls to any other device that is if I understand how the LTE watchs 
work.

Hope that makes sense and helps with what your asking. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 8:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Calls from other devices.

Hello Anders,

I haven’t got an Apple Watch and I am no expert by a long shot. But I am 
guessing that is because your Apple Watch is paired with your iPhone, but your 
other devices like your extra phone are not.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 7/07/2019, at 06:21, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I  have set up my  Iphone so i can take calls from other devices.
> However what i don’t understand is tha you seem to be able to take a call 
> from your apple watch when you are  out and about but if you have another 
> iphone with another sim card you can’t take calls from it or make calls to it.
> Can anyone explain this?
> Thanks.
> /A
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RE: installing mac osx on vmware fusion.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes I tried it a couple of years ago

 It worked ok but I was only playing around with it at the time.

I don't see why you couldn't run the beta in it,


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 12:40 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: installing mac osx on vmware fusion.

Hi!
It seems that you can install mac os in Vmware Fusion?
Has anyone here tried that.
I was thinking if i join the beta i can install it in a vm and i wont get a 
nasty crash i had 2 weeks ago.
/A

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