Can't log into Macbook Air

[Todor Fassl]

I have access to a Macbook Air at my job. It has several logins enabled 
on it, including mine. But when I turn it on, all I can get it to say at 
the login screen is "user name". I've pressed every key and key 
combination I can think of and I can't get it to let me log in. I need 
to get to the users scroll area so I can select my user name and enter 
my password.


Twice now, I've gotten sighted assistance to log in but the people who 
have helped me seem to think ther's nothing wrong. In other words, I 
can't get a solid answer from them on how to avoid this problem in the 
future.


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Re: Recording a Podcast

[Todor Fassl]

Well, like I said, I am looking for suggestions about an external 
microphone. I know about recording and editing software. I was just 
wondering if anybody had any experience recording 3 or 4 people at once 
and if you need an external mic for that.







On 2/8/19 5:18 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:> Hello,
>
> What does fancy mean and what is your budget. Is your motive to do it
> well or save money? How are you going to stop people talking over each
> other?
>
> I only have experience with Amadeus Pro with a Blue Yeti microphone. I
> don’t know how that would work with a group of people. There’s a lot of
> resources out there on getting started with podcasting. Editing is going
> to be the problem. But if you are confident that you can do it in one
> take then use a smart-phone.
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
>> On 8 Feb 2019, at 14:17, Todor Fassl > <mailto:fassl@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am looking for suggestions on an extermal microphone for my Macbook
>> Pro. I need to record a podcast with 3 or 4 people carrying on a
>> conversation. I don't want to get too fancy but I was thinking of
>> buying an external microphone and having them kind of huggle around
>> it. I figure 3 or 4 people can sit around a small table with the
>> microphone in the middle,  right? Any suggestions for a good
>> microphone to use with a Mac laptop? It probably has to be USB because
>> I believe my Macbook Pro does not have a microphone jack.
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Recording a Podcast

[Todor Fassl]

I am looking for suggestions on an extermal microphone for my Macbook 
Pro. I need to record a podcast with 3 or 4 people carrying on a 
conversation. I don't want to get too fancy but I was thinking of buying 
an external microphone and having them kind of huggle around it. I 
figure 3 or 4 people can sit around a small table with the microphone in 
the middle,  right? Any suggestions for a good microphone to use with a 
Mac laptop? It probably has to be USB because I believe my Macbook Pro 
does not have a microphone jack.


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Violin Tuning App

[Todor Fassl]

Perhaps this is a long shot but I was hoping to get a recommendation on 
a violin tuning app. I have an iPhone and an iBook Pro so either IOS or 
MacOs recommendations will work.


What I am hoping for is an app that uses the microphone to listen to the 
note I am playing and tells me whether it is too high or too low. Tha's 
the big challenge for an amateur like myself.



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How GPS Apps Work

[Todor Fassl]

The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works 
by having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the 
time. Just the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, 
which is not infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the 
signals are how far away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 
signals, it can figure out exactly where you are in space. If it has a 
data connection, it can then query a map database to find out where you 
are on the Earth. If it doesn't have a data connection but it does have 
map data, either because it is cached or because you deliberately 
uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure out where you are.



The system can break down in 2 basic ways:

1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the 
equator but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at 
the poles. However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak 
and you might not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a 
parking garage, probably not


2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't 
have access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone 
won't know where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS 
coordinates but that won't help most people most of the time.



Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also 
triangulate it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the 
world. So if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it 
might be able to tell someone where they are based on that alone.




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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I did specify in my original message that I was going rock climbing. 
That would imply that I am leaving the RV.


Lets start over ... Has anyone gone tent camping in a state or national 
park and found a use for their iphone that they would like to pass 
along? Forget I ever mentioned that I have a guide dog. Actual 
experienced campers only, please.




On 08/31/2017 06:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

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On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:


A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
wonders. That is what they are trained for.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
possibilities not available on your phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with
stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it
works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably
too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

Technically, Joseph, you are wrong. The phone will still pick up a GPS 
location. It just won't know where that location is on a map. Most GPS 
apps get live map data via your data link. But there is an app called 
Navigon that allows you to download map data in advance. [Note to self, 
make sure the map for Illinois in on your phone before leaving.]


On 08/31/2017 01:47 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
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On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper weight 
and only good for books and games.

On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when you 
get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR
On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. That 
is what they are trained for.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I 
was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help me 
with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to buy 
some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide 
dog. I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide 
dog and way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind 
community and with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to 
be a fact. There isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to 
have trouble in the woods. There are a million distractions and no clear 
paths. If you are going to tell me you have taken your guide dog on 
camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going to call you a 
liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in guide dog.


PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
Eat, its E.T.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)

Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"

CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
wonders. That is what they are trained for.


 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
possibilities not available on your phone.

Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
too late to update my phone.



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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

You know, on a lot of forumns, it is considered rude to not answer the 
question that is asked. I didn't ask for help with my dog.



On 08/31/2017 01:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
wonders. That is what they are trained for.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
possibilities not available on your phone.


Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. 
I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late 
to update my phone.



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Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.



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Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Todor Fassl]

I accidently broke one side on my aftershokz and now they are even 
better. Honestly, if you're going to use your aftershokz while walking 
around listening to a GPS, I highly recommend breaking one side.





On 06/08/2017 01:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I would go AirPods myself but for the cool factor.  On top of that, you could 
always remove one or the other if traveling and you need both environment 
sounds and audio.  I’ve gotten used to traveling with a single bluetooth 
earpiece so can function with one year more blocked than the other.  You also 
have no wires so if traveling you’ll have an easier time, less tangling etc.  
You stand the risk of dropping one and losing it, that’s a down side.  I think 
though I’d go AirPods for the cleanness of it and the ability to pair with all 
my devices as you mentioned.


On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love Aftershokz 
headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving my ears 
totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's around me 
with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality and bluetooth 
connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But having AirPods 
would be even better in some ways.

I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the terrible, 
phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that Aftershokz do. 
I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter will last longer if 
you count quick charges with the case.

I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they for 
sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, or are 
they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or both out 
at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming you have 
that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features and drawbacks 
of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing one. I know about 
playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I need to know how each 
unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.

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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

[Todor Fassl]

As an owner of an ipod touch, I agree with the recommendation to buy a 
refurbished iphone. It's not that I don't love my ipod, I use it for so 
many things. But it was $200 new and for just a little more I could have 
gotten a refurbished iphone. The one thing about buying a refurbished 
device is that you have no idea how good the battery will be and that 
can be kind of important.




On 12/08/2016 11:18 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Kare, one thing you could do is use a decommissioned phone, it works just 
nicely as an iPod like device and you don’t need the latest and greatest but 
you can definitely take advantage of enhanced voices.  You also have the 
advantage of having a GPS receiver in these as GPS is part of the cell modem.  
Grab an old 6+ for example and you’ll also have an upgrade path for a while 
longer.



On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

I may make the Classic  a priority then.
For me personally, at least the last time I tested them at an apple store, the  
enhanced ios voices  too were a bit of a physical dizziness risk.
If I can avoid  the touch I  will.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi Kare. You can download enhanced voices for an iOS device like the
iPod touch but the voices for the rockbox firmware on the iPod video
for example is very slim if any as I recall.

I always wanted the classic as the high capacity model was a whopping
160gb which is still huge now for an mp3 player you can easily fit in
a pants pocket!

Cameron.




On 12/8/16, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:



This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.


On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I
will wait.
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

[Todor Fassl]

This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the 
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the 
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.



On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the 
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two 
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must 
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of 
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at 
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I 
will wait.

Thanks,
Kare



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Re: iPhone 7/7+

[Todor Fassl]

Are you sure you didn't do it through the headset? The Aftershok Blues 2 
has a button that acts like the ome button on the iphone.




On 12/08/2016 02:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

What's wrong with the Apple cases?  I love mine although I know a bit expensive 
but they are quality.

Anyway, I loved it about reading about the gun holster, that made me laugh.

There is one thing I discovered about the phone and I meant to write about it 
so I will here now.

I put my I phone the 7 Plus in my coat pockets, never use to but do now.  
However, one day I had some notification from Sky News and the BBC news app.  
Quite by accident one day, I pressed the power button to get the time as it 
came through my Aftershokz as I was walking to work from home and like to keep 
an eye on the time or shall I say ear?  So I discovered, that I could clear the 
notifications, with my pocket zipped up and the phone could register my flicks. 
 I was amazed.  This had never happened before.  So I am wondering is it that 
Apple have made the screen so it can recognise your finger gestures through 
your clothes?

Kawal.

On 8 Dec 2016, at 15:05, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I used to use the OtterBox belt things, but the actual belt clip part never 
lasted.  I have an aversion to paying $50 or more for something that's only 
lasting a year or so.  Found a nice leather case for my belt instead that's 
about $20/25 at my local cell phone store that works just fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 8, 2016, at 08:00, Scott Granados  wrote:

That’s one reason I like the life proof option.  The clips attach around the 
edges and have a release mechanism.



On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

I can’t stand the clips that come with the defender cases.  Every one I’ve ever 
used tore the casing up after the first times I took it in and out of the 
holster, and that was simply taking it in and out; I was never rough with it.
The first one I ever got, ended up chipping the metal portion on the side of 
the csing, to the point where it looked like someone who’d had a cavity drilled 
away and had a big hole left in their tooth, so had to have a whole new case 
put on my phone.

On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
*lol*
I haven’t found any good beltclip for my iphone except the defender ones which 
makes the phone to big for me.
BUt if there are something smaller like a leather case or similar i’d be happy 
to know.
/A

8 dec. 2016 kl. 04:28 skrev Scott Granados :

You know, I’ll admit to an irrational fear here.  I’ve never carried my phone 
in my front pocket.  I’m a belt clip man.  I logically know there’s no problem 
and on paper the math shows me I’m right but there’s something about all the 
Microwave radio experience I have and the idea of putting a transmitter that 
close to the family jewels.;). I know that in reality the phone is so low power 
that it won’t do anything but bounce off the outer layers of the skin and I 
also know the inverse square law applies but I know the inverse square law 
works even better from my belt on the side than from my front pocket.:)

haha



On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I come to think of one thing.
I have big hands, at least long fingers but for some reason i don’t like big 
phones.
Thats very strange but i think it has to do with that i can’t have them in my 
front pocket.
/A

7 dec. 2016 kl. 04:05 skrev Scott Granados :

The larger battery is a big reason, the larger screen size as I have larger 
hands and the extra gig of memory that the 7 doesn’t have.

Thanks
Scott


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Weather permitting, I should be getting one of the above. Having looked at the 
specs, 3 things that differ between the two models.

Screen size/overall size, camera and battery life.

Those of you who have used both, do you find any of these factors compelling 
enough to push you to the plus?

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Re: Aftershockz bluez 2s headset

[Todor Fassl]

One cool thing bout the Bluez2 is that you can wear them backward and 
look like Geordi Laforge.


I've worn my Aftershokz Bluez2 for hours and hours while working in my 
garden. I got really sweaty and had no problems withthe headset. There 
is a version of the Bluez2 for children. Maybe that's why someone got


some that are too tight?




On 11/18/2016 05:10 AM, Gilland Marketing wrote:

from what I hear, the headset is actually very very comfortable. I have a 
couple of friends, of which I know at least one is on this list. They have this 
headset, and swear by it. Ben, can you chime in here? I can see this. If they 
are anything like that Bluez 2S, then they will be quite comfy. The sound 
quality, well, I agree. There could be some more low in frequencies, but for 
what it's worth, it sounds really good. i've definitely heard better, but I've 
also heard way way worse. Trust me.

Chris.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 18, 2016, at 03:48, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Do the Trekz titanium sit as tight on the head as the Bluez 2S do? Half an hour 
with those on and i get a serious headache and in my not so humble opinion the 
sound quality just isn’t fit for music with only midrange and no bass or treble 
at all.
That’s me though and the mileage may vary.
/Krister


18 nov. 2016 kl. 00:50 skrev Larry Thacker Jr. :

The Blues are a plastic band.  They necessarily have some flex, but I broke at 
least 2 pair and one side went out on the third.  According to Aftershokz there 
was a manufacturing defect that has been corrected since and my wife has a pair 
that has held up, but they just sit on the table most of the time.  The Trekz 
Titanium are actually made of Titanium.  I don’t think you could break them if 
you tried, and they are lighter and smaller. The neck band is less than 1/4 
inches thick.  The plastic Blues are considerably wider around the back.


On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

How do those differ and why are they more durable?


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 16, 2016, at 16:27, Larry Thacker Jr.  wrote:

Same here.  I recommend spending the extra to get the Trekz Titanium.  The 
Blues I have had all broke or stopped working.  Aftershokz was good about 
replacing them, but that gets old.  The Titaniums are made differently and are 
much more durable.  I wear mine around the house and leave them on my head all 
the time when I go out.  You may find them inadequate if you spend time in loud 
environments such as a bus, train, or crowded restaurant.  Mine shipped with a 
pair of ear plugs, which rather defeats the purpose of the headset but is a 
good solution if you’re somewhere safe and for the moment don’t need to hear 
what’s around you.  They are best for their advertised purpose of leaving your 
ears open.  However, as my wife would tell you, what you are hearing in the 
headset will still distract you and possibly cause you to miss what’s going on 
around you.  That’s a brain issue, and perhaps others’ are better than mine.  
If I have to start commuting again, I may prefer something that works better on 
the train, but otherwise I love my Aftershokz
and highly recommend them.


On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

I love mine because they let me hear both ambient and i-device sounds, 
improving navigation and phone access.  They pair just fine.



Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 16, 2016, at 13:46, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone on the list had aftershockz bluez 2S headset? If so, is it easy to 
pair with iOS devices and/or mac? Any comments on their performance?  I've only 
just come across them and thought they might be rather useful as they wouldn't 
cut out the ambient noise - an important factor if I walk around the house.  
With headset that fit into my ear or cover my ears, I either have to use just 
one ear or otherwise bump into furniture and doors.

Andrew

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Todor Fassl]

Scp and sftp are built on top of ssh. You'd rarely find an OS that has 
ssh but not scp and sftp.




On 11/18/2016 07:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

whooo! I knew it had ftp, and that it had ssh, but I didn't realize it
had sftp. That's awesome!
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Terminal has ftp and sftp.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work
well with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working
very well with jaws.
Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

[Todor Fassl]

Does Amadeus create the podcast xml file? I found that creating the 
audio file was only half the job. Creating a valid podcast xml file was 
the other half. This was a couple of years ago but I was surprised that 
there didn't seem to be any software for generating that xml file.






On 11/17/2016 06:31 PM, michael babcock wrote:

I use Amadeus Lite and others use Amadeus PRO.
_http://mosen.org/become-an-amadeus-pro-maestro/_
_hope this helps_
_(note, i can also take care of the technical podcast requirements, 
e.g. audio editing and establishing your podcast; email:_

_mich...@yourownpay.com _
_for more information)_
_best._
_
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On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Shannon Dyer > wrote:


Hi, all.

A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a 
podcast. I’m using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible 
software is out there for this purpose. Can someone please advise?


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

[Todor Fassl]

A podcast consists of a collection of audio or video files and an xml 
document that describes them. If there is an easy way to generate the 
xml file, I have never seen it. I wrote a perl script that generates a 
podcast xml document from the tags in a set of mp3 files in a folder. In 
other words, if the mp3 files contain the appropriate tags, it will 
generate a valid podcast xml file. If you are interested in that, email 
me off list.






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Hi, all.

A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a podcast. I’m 
using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible software is out there for 
this purpose. Can someone please advise?

Thanks in advance.

Shannon



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Re: Battery draining quicly on ipod touch latest generation

[Todor Fassl]

I have to apologize. I missed some of your message. You're right. I'm 
wrong. I am really sorry. Technically, I may be violating my pledge not 
to go OT but I think this message does not violate the spirit of the pledge.




On 11/17/2016 07:44 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

My explanation is exactly what you said, you use matrixes of transistors to 
move the liquid crystals in to different charged states that filter white light.

I’m not going to argue with you because you’re to dense to listen and it’s a 
waste of my time but you literally confirmed everything I said in your response.




On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:


You don't actually understand how a screen works, right?

Actually, I googled it and it does make sense. So a touch screen works by 
filtering phosphorescent light. It's likechristmas lights. They are just white 
lights with a colored transparent plastic bulb. The screen aligns crystals to 
filter the light depending on what color each pixel is to display. If you align 
the crystals so they filter all of the light, that's black. So actually, the 
device probably is absorbing that energy and radiating it as heat when you turn 
the screen curtain on.

Your explanation is nonsense but the screen curtain may not save energy. You 
happen to be right but for the wrong reason.



On 11/16/2016 09:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Of course black requires power, any light omitted regardless of color requires 
the same amount of power. The color of the pixels doesn’t matter they all 
generate the same amount regardless of whether it’s white, black or something 
in-between.  Hell, pixels technically don’t even have to omit visible light to 
draw power if they generated something in the infrared or ultraviolet spectrum. 
 It’s not like CRT displays where black is generated by pulsing off the 
electron gun.;)

A good understanding of how displays work would be a good start.  In the case 
of these screens, basically each pixel or color element consists of a 
transistor array and elements that are combined to generate a particular set of 
colors.  Some use red, green and blue in combination, others use C Y M and K 
and all designs use a backlight.  You also have designs where the transistor 
array enables a set of chemicals which can become opaque to certain colors or 
all colors based on the light filtered so it’s a subtractive system.  You start 
with a white light in the back and you filter out all the color combinations 
you want to block to leave yourself with the color you wish to display that 
remains.  In this case, you’d activate all the transistors in the array to 
filter out all colors and be left with the absence of color for that particular 
element.  If the screen curtain is enabled the back light is still generating 
the same white and the pixel elements are filtering out that white light on all 
elements being left with the absence of color yet the net energy drain is the 
same.  Whether an additive or subtractive system you will draw power per 
element to generate a color or in the case of black the absence of color.  You 
also still have the multiplexer / demultiplexer electronics that are carrying 
the black signal that draw power regardless of the color being generated, the 
graphics processor is generating a signal with all black elements and so on and 
so forth.  All displays work a little differently whether it’s LCD which tends 
to be subtractive or LED where you use light emitting components or OLED that 
uses organic chemistry under electrical stimulus to generate light the concepts 
are the same.



On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

No, black does not requirejuice.  I have been thinking about this and this 
thing about the screen curtain not saving power defies the laws of physics. 
When the screen curtain is off, light is emitted from the screen. Energy is 
escaping through the screen. If the screen curtain is off, where does that 
energy go? Does turning on the screen curtain make the device disipate more 
energy as heat or something? I doubt it.






On 11/16/2016 11:31 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

David this sounds correct to me as well, black requires juice just like all the 
other colors.  Turning down the brightness is the only way to save power with 
the screen.  Frankly, I don’t bother, just put the brightness in auto mode and 
let her rip.



On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to Apple, screen curtain has no effect on battery life. Screen 
curtain sets all the pixels to black. It does not turn the backlight off.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 16/11/2016, at 06:42, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Screen curtain does not help saving battery from what i have heard.
But i am not sure.
/A

13 nov. 2016 kl. 19

Re: Battery draining quicly on ipod touch latest generation

[Todor Fassl]

You don't actually understand how a screen works, right?

Actually, I googled it and it does make sense. So a touch screen works 
by filtering phosphorescent light. It's likechristmas lights. They are 
just white lights with a colored transparent plastic bulb. The screen 
aligns crystals to filter the light depending on what color each pixel 
is to display. If you align the crystals so they filter all of the 
light, that's black. So actually, the device probably is absorbing that 
energy and radiating it as heat when you turn the screen curtain on.


Your explanation is nonsense but the screen curtain may not save energy. 
You happen to be right but for the wrong reason.




On 11/16/2016 09:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Of course black requires power, any light omitted regardless of color requires 
the same amount of power. The color of the pixels doesn’t matter they all 
generate the same amount regardless of whether it’s white, black or something 
in-between.  Hell, pixels technically don’t even have to omit visible light to 
draw power if they generated something in the infrared or ultraviolet spectrum. 
 It’s not like CRT displays where black is generated by pulsing off the 
electron gun.;)

A good understanding of how displays work would be a good start.  In the case 
of these screens, basically each pixel or color element consists of a 
transistor array and elements that are combined to generate a particular set of 
colors.  Some use red, green and blue in combination, others use C Y M and K 
and all designs use a backlight.  You also have designs where the transistor 
array enables a set of chemicals which can become opaque to certain colors or 
all colors based on the light filtered so it’s a subtractive system.  You start 
with a white light in the back and you filter out all the color combinations 
you want to block to leave yourself with the color you wish to display that 
remains.  In this case, you’d activate all the transistors in the array to 
filter out all colors and be left with the absence of color for that particular 
element.  If the screen curtain is enabled the back light is still generating 
the same white and the pixel elements are filtering out that white light on all 
elements being left with the absence of color yet the net energy drain is the 
same.  Whether an additive or subtractive system you will draw power per 
element to generate a color or in the case of black the absence of color.  You 
also still have the multiplexer / demultiplexer electronics that are carrying 
the black signal that draw power regardless of the color being generated, the 
graphics processor is generating a signal with all black elements and so on and 
so forth.  All displays work a little differently whether it’s LCD which tends 
to be subtractive or LED where you use light emitting components or OLED that 
uses organic chemistry under electrical stimulus to generate light the concepts 
are the same.



On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

No, black does not requirejuice.  I have been thinking about this and this 
thing about the screen curtain not saving power defies the laws of physics. 
When the screen curtain is off, light is emitted from the screen. Energy is 
escaping through the screen. If the screen curtain is off, where does that 
energy go? Does turning on the screen curtain make the device disipate more 
energy as heat or something? I doubt it.






On 11/16/2016 11:31 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

David this sounds correct to me as well, black requires juice just like all the 
other colors.  Turning down the brightness is the only way to save power with 
the screen.  Frankly, I don’t bother, just put the brightness in auto mode and 
let her rip.



On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to Apple, screen curtain has no effect on battery life. Screen 
curtain sets all the pixels to black. It does not turn the backlight off.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 16/11/2016, at 06:42, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Screen curtain does not help saving battery from what i have heard.
But i am not sure.
/A

13 nov. 2016 kl. 19:17 skrev Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>:

Hello,

The battery drain problem is a known issue and would appear to be fixed by the 
second release of iOS 10.1.1. It has nothing to do with using VoiceOver as 
non-voiceOver users have the same problem.

Cheers,

Anne




On 13 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you fiddled with the screen brightness? I have the screen bightness on my 
itouch set to zero and the screen curtain on as well. But some of my friends 
who are visually impaired turned the brightness up and it drained their battery 
a lot.



On 11/12/2016 01:27 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
Hi Listers,

I have a n

Re: Aftershockz bluez 2s headset

[Todor Fassl]

No, I had the same experience as you with respect to navigating with the 
bluz2 headphones on. I think it is safe to use them with the IOS maps 
app because it speaks infrequently. But I have found that I lose my 
spidey sence if I am listening to music and trying to walk around the 
house. You know how you can move around your house and anyone seeing you 
would think you can see just fine? I can't do that even if I am useing 
the bone-conduction headphones and listening to music.





On 11/16/2016 06:27 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Same here.  I recommend spending the extra to get the Trekz Titanium.  The 
Blues I have had all broke or stopped working.  Aftershokz was good about 
replacing them, but that gets old.  The Titaniums are made differently and are 
much more durable.  I wear mine around the house and leave them on my head all 
the time when I go out.  You may find them inadequate if you spend time in loud 
environments such as a bus, train, or crowded restaurant.  Mine shipped with a 
pair of ear plugs, which rather defeats the purpose of the headset but is a 
good solution if you’re somewhere safe and for the moment don’t need to hear 
what’s around you.  They are best for their advertised purpose of leaving your 
ears open.  However, as my wife would tell you, what you are hearing in the 
headset will still distract you and possibly cause you to miss what’s going on 
around you.  That’s a brain issue, and perhaps others’ are better than mine.  
If I have to start commuting again, I may prefer something that works better on 
the train, but otherwise I love my Aftershokz
and highly recommend them.


On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

I love mine because they let me hear both ambient and i-device sounds, 
improving navigation and phone access.  They pair just fine.



Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 16, 2016, at 13:46, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone on the list had aftershockz bluez 2S headset? If so, is it easy to 
pair with iOS devices and/or mac? Any comments on their performance?  I've only 
just come across them and thought they might be rather useful as they wouldn't 
cut out the ambient noise - an important factor if I walk around the house.  
With headset that fit into my ear or cover my ears, I either have to use just 
one ear or otherwise bump into furniture and doors.

Andrew

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Re: Aftershockz bluez 2s headset

[Todor Fassl]

I commented about the Aftershokz bluz2 in another thread earlier today. 
I am very happy with mine. It is the first bluetooth headset I have so I 
have little to compare them with. But the sound is surprisingly good. It 
is not as good as over-the-ears headphones but it's pretty good. The 
battery lasts a long time. They are comfortable. Pair easily. I very 
often switch from one device to another.  The only minor complaint I 
have is that you can't turn the volume up very loud. In a noisy 
environment, you may not be able to hear them well. If I am using them 
to navigate on a busy street via GPS, I often have to kind of press them 
against my head to hear what the IOS maps app is saying.






On 11/16/2016 03:46 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone on the list had aftershockz bluez 2S headset? If so, is it easy to 
pair with iOS devices and/or mac? Any comments on their performance?  I've only 
just come across them and thought they might be rather useful as they wouldn't 
cut out the ambient noise - an important factor if I walk around the house.  
With headset that fit into my ear or cover my ears, I either have to use just 
one ear or otherwise bump into furniture and doors.

Andrew



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Re: Battery draining quicly on ipod touch latest generation

[Todor Fassl]

No, black does not requirejuice.  I have been thinking about this and 
this thing about the screen curtain not saving power defies the laws of 
physics. When the screen curtain is off, light is emitted from the 
screen. Energy is escaping through the screen. If the screen curtain is 
off, where does that energy go? Does turning on the screen curtain make 
the device disipate more energy as heat or something? I doubt it.







On 11/16/2016 11:31 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

David this sounds correct to me as well, black requires juice just like all the 
other colors.  Turning down the brightness is the only way to save power with 
the screen.  Frankly, I don’t bother, just put the brightness in auto mode and 
let her rip.



On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to Apple, screen curtain has no effect on battery life. Screen 
curtain sets all the pixels to black. It does not turn the backlight off.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 16/11/2016, at 06:42, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Screen curtain does not help saving battery from what i have heard.
But i am not sure.
/A

13 nov. 2016 kl. 19:17 skrev Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>:

Hello,

The battery drain problem is a known issue and would appear to be fixed by the 
second release of iOS 10.1.1. It has nothing to do with using VoiceOver as 
non-voiceOver users have the same problem.

Cheers,

Anne




On 13 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you fiddled with the screen brightness? I have the screen bightness on my 
itouch set to zero and the screen curtain on as well. But some of my friends 
who are visually impaired turned the brightness up and it drained their battery 
a lot.



On 11/12/2016 01:27 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
Hi Listers,

I have a new ipod touch - the latest one - but I'm somewhat puzzled if not disappointed, that the 
battery doesn't last on it as long as it is promised in the advert on Apple's website.  I haven't 
been using it very much and yet the battery drains quite quickly.  In the last 24 hours i would 
have used it for about 3 hours and it's already down to 20% only. Is this normal?  Just wanted to 
know what your experiences with batter life are, any tips and tricks?  I've switched off 
"background app refresh", and enabled "reduced motion" both of which are 
supposed to improve battery life.  I've also switched of mail fetching so that I do it only 
manually.

Andrew


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Re: Battery draining quicly on ipod touch latest generation

[Todor Fassl]

I'm glad I found out that screen curtain saves no battery life. But I 
think turning the screen brightness down does. I have mine set to 0 on 
all of my IOS devices. A visually impaired friend had his set very high 
and he'd actually lose power while it was plugged in. If he was using it 
for gaming for hours at a time, it would actually run out of power while 
it was plugged in.





On 11/15/2016 12:00 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

According to Apple, screen curtain has no effect on battery life. Screen 
curtain sets all the pixels to black. It does not turn the backlight off.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 16/11/2016, at 06:42, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Screen curtain does not help saving battery from what i have heard.
But i am not sure.
/A

13 nov. 2016 kl. 19:17 skrev Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>:

Hello,

The battery drain problem is a known issue and would appear to be fixed by the 
second release of iOS 10.1.1. It has nothing to do with using VoiceOver as 
non-voiceOver users have the same problem.

Cheers,

Anne




On 13 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you fiddled with the screen brightness? I have the screen bightness on my 
itouch set to zero and the screen curtain on as well. But some of my friends 
who are visually impaired turned the brightness up and it drained their battery 
a lot.



On 11/12/2016 01:27 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
Hi Listers,

I have a new ipod touch - the latest one - but I'm somewhat puzzled if not disappointed, that the 
battery doesn't last on it as long as it is promised in the advert on Apple's website.  I haven't 
been using it very much and yet the battery drains quite quickly.  In the last 24 hours i would 
have used it for about 3 hours and it's already down to 20% only. Is this normal?  Just wanted to 
know what your experiences with batter life are, any tips and tricks?  I've switched off 
"background app refresh", and enabled "reduced motion" both of which are 
supposed to improve battery life.  I've also switched of mail fetching so that I do it only 
manually.

Andrew



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Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Todor Fassl]

I use a headset from Aftershokz. They are bone-conduction which means 
they don't cover your ears. I was getting a lot of ear infections and I 
thought maybe it was because my ears were covered for 8 hours a day. 
Plus I was worried about the effect headphones had on my hearing. That's 
not scientific. I know of no studies that show that wearing headphones 
over your ears damages your hearing. But I figure bone conduction is 
less likely to have an effect because the sound is not trapped in your 
ear canal. Anyway, the big problem with this headset is that it has a 
battery. It is a rechargeable battery built into the chord. That has two 
problems, the chord has extra weight to it and you have to periodically 
recharge the headset. You can recharge them while using them but it 
makes an annoying buzzing sound. The rechargeable battery is pretty 
small and it is designed to clip onto your collar so it is tolerable. 
All in all, I would probably buy another headset like this if this one 
broke. But it is not ideal. It does have a volume control but not a 
bass/treble control.


I also have an Aftershokz bluetooth headphone, without a microphone. 
That actually is really nice. It also has a battery but you'd expect 
that. The battery life is really long and the sound quality is way 
better thanI expected. As I said, this is just a pair of headphone but I 
would think the bluetooth headset by the same company would pretty much 
be the same thing only with a microphone attach.



n 11/15/2016 03:31 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:

Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now I 
have a need for a specific type of headset.

I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the phone 
and a control for bass/trebel.

I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.

Thanks.
Jenine Stanley
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Re: KNFB Reader on Iphone

[Todor Fassl]

Well, the KNFBReader can kind of read computer screens. You probably 
won't be able to use an otherwise inaccessible app by having the 
KNFBReader read the screen to you. But if you get stuck, you might be 
able to figure out why by having it read an inaccessible dialog box or 
something like that. I keep a gigantic C-clamp in my desk drawer so I 
can prop up my phone in front of the computer monitor and have the 
KNFBReader read the screen. Most of the time it doesn't help that much. 
Once in a while it is a life saver.


Tip: the NFB pretty regularly puts the KNFBReader app on sale for $75. 
The normal price is $99.  I don't know if it's on sale right now but it 
it is not and if you don't need it right away, you can probably save $24 
by waiting a few weeks.


On 11/15/2016 02:16 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello,
of cores everyone is searching to  find the best accessibility tools
to help surviving in life, and I read about the KNFB reader on Iphone,
the only thing that will make me buy it is, does it read the computer
screen, if I  found something that I could not read with Voice over?
this is the most important part for me. because,  the KNFB reader will
not read Arabic, but if it can read the computer screen, I will buy it
now.

Thanks




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Re: Battery draining quicly on ipod touch latest generation

[Todor Fassl]

Have you fiddled with the screen brightness? I have the screen bightness 
on my itouch set to zero and the screen curtain on as well. But some of 
my friends who are visually impaired turned the brightness up and it 
drained their battery a lot.



On 11/12/2016 01:27 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi Listers,

I have a new ipod touch - the latest one - but I'm somewhat puzzled if not disappointed, that the 
battery doesn't last on it as long as it is promised in the advert on Apple's website.  I haven't 
been using it very much and yet the battery drains quite quickly.  In the last 24 hours i would 
have used it for about 3 hours and it's already down to 20% only. Is this normal?  Just wanted to 
know what your experiences with batter life are, any tips and tricks?  I've switched off 
"background app refresh", and enabled "reduced motion" both of which are 
supposed to improve battery life.  I've also switched of mail fetching so that I do it only 
manually.

Andrew



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Re: Peel the Apple or what ever it is called.

[Todor Fassl]

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can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk like 
this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead of 
making a generic announcement such as the one below.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now considered closed.

Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to this 
thread.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come up 
with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
prove it.

Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases we 
have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. But, as 
a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the hope that 
I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge 
me to prove it.
But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:


Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere cause the planet 
to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of physics and can be tested 
experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".

Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas into 
our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the earth's 
crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists the top 
oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million barrels per 
day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every 
day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much effect 
the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, often 
called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can predict 
things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have indeed put 
enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

<jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:

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We don't have junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.

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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each 
day because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on 
the Mac. If you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I 
don't.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick 
of it. This should have been addressed before and you need to 
remove people instead of making a generic announcement such as the 
one below.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now considered closed.

Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or 
contribute to this thread.


Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl

Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every 
theory you come up with. If you want to claim global warming might 
be caused by volcanos, you prove it.


Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. 
All successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity 
into account.
They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up 
articles from scientific journals that show that certain climate 
models have predicted climate changes to a degree that cannot be 
accounted for by chance. These models also show that the amount of 
warming we have experienced cannot be accounted for by volcanos 
and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases we have emitted. 
Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. But, as a 
gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on 
the hope that I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I 
say, by all means challenge me to prove it.

But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a 
Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the 
"theory" is flawed to begin with.

BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused 
pollution?

FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:

Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human 
activity:


Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's 
atmosphere cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained 
through the laws of physics and can be tested experimentally. 
This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".


Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of 
greenhouse gas into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that 
has been locked up in the earth's crust for millions of years. 
Here is a link to a web page that lists the top oil producing 
countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred 
million barrels per day. There are also millions of tons of coal 
and natural gas being mined every day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder 


/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated 
how much effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would 
have.  Those calculations, often called climate models, are 
proven to be accurate because they can predict things like 
droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show tha

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead of 
making a generic announcement such as the one below.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now considered closed.

Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to this 
thread.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come up 
with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
prove it.

Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases we 
have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. But, as 
a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the hope that 
I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge 
me to prove it.
But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:


Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere cause the planet 
to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of physics and can be tested 
experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".

Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas into 
our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the earth's 
crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists the top 
oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million barrels per 
day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every 
day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much effect 
the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, often 
called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can predict 
things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have indeed put 
enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.

Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being caused by human 
activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called "fuzzy thinking".  It's 
akin to a person defending themselves in court by saying the police can't prove that the 
guy he shot didn't just happen to drop dead from some other reason right before the 
bullet hit him.  It is not my job to disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. 
The 3 facts  I gave above prove that global warming is being caused by humans. Where is 
the flaw?




On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REI

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

By my count, this is at least your fourth message about the off-topic 
messages on this list. Seems a tad ironic to me. Bet you respond 
publically to this one too.




On 11/10/2016 04:48 PM, gs wrote:

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by it 
or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple statements 
of facts.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve around 
lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry but I 
won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his duties 
seriously on this list.

On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to with 
50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase in 
productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge that 
will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product.

In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some individuals, 
some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would have otherwise 
missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the thread.

Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to be 
fulfilled on this list at this point.

There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
myself.

Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
subject.

If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:

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far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. There 
are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very relevant.
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I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list management. 
Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The owner shows up 
every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the running of the 
list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. Just run the thing 
correctly. It's not too much to ask.


It's pathetic.





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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addr

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead of 
making a generic announcement such as the one below.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now considered closed.

Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to this 
thread.

Thank you,

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come up 
with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
prove it.

Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
 They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases we 
have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. But, as 
a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the hope that 
I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge 
me to prove it.
But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:


Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere cause the planet 
to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of physics and can be tested 
experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".

Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas into 
our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the earth's 
crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists the top 
oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million barrels per 
day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every 
day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much effect 
the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, often 
called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can predict 
things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have indeed put 
enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.

Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being caused by human 
activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called "fuzzy thinking".  It's 
akin to a person defending themselves in court by saying the police can't prove that the 
guy he shot didn't just happen to drop dead from some other reason right before the 
bullet hit him.  It is not my job to disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. 
The 3 facts  I gave above prove that global warming is being caused by humans. Where is 
the flaw?




On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Scott,
Your absolutely 100% correct again!
Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global 
warming"  out of the water!
How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption?
Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some
more light on this but at this point the only thing that would keep
this on topic is that She uses a Mac book pro! LOL Talk soon Chuck

On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:


Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I
could blow huge holes in your global warming po

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

Remember that old comedy routine, "You might be a redneck if ..."  How 
about, "You may be someone who shouldn't vote if ..."


* If you ever thought global warming was a hoax.
* If you ever thought Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
* If you ever thought Barack Obama was a Moslem.

I am trying to think of some for liberals:

* If you still think vaccines cause autism.

On 11/10/2016 10:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, I would want to agree, but how will you structure the test? I
warrant you can't do that without discriminating in some way or other.

Recognize that our Constitution has supported tests from its inception. The 
original
tests went like this; you had to be a citizen, white, male, and own property.

The property thing went first, the white thing technically went away
after the Civil War, and the male thing went away beginning with the
1920 election.

I say the white thing went away "technically," because the extreme
example, of course, is well known history. In the bad old days in the
south they used to have these tests for allowing people to register to
vote. Grade school drop outs who were white would inviariably pass, and
Ph.D's who were black would routinely fail. Yet the Supremes upheld the
practice for decades--until a 1960's Congress and President Johnson
signed legislation that banned this kind of thing.

Here's something to consider. Ever since Voting Rights legislation was
signed into law, white people in the U.S. have never voted to elect a
Democrat. Had only whites voted in each election since this legislation
in 1964 and 1965, there would only have been Republican Presidents. We
need to acknowledge and consider this fact, too, because it's the
overwhelming white vote this time around that's given us Trump,
following on a campaign riddled with racial and gender slurs and
impercations.  Do you wonder that minority communities are quaking in
fear just now?

Janina



Todor Fassl writes:

But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote? Just
repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.

It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure you
have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for random
medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.

Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the issues, you
should STAY HOME!


repeating that they should vote is NO answer.





On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:

I Disagree
Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote
No Matter What iff Eligible
At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's
how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you
havent studied the issues, please stay home.



On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it
that way.  Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty
regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and have
your voice heard if you haven’t already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling
place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google
also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits
to get to your closest polls.  the parties are offering rides and
volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available
today to voters.  Keep that “I voted† sticker and Krispy Cream
will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving
free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day
promotions that include discounts or out right freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought and died
for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we
take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our
right to vote.  Now get out there and be safe everyone.


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Re: Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you 
come up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by 
volcanos, you prove it.


Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account. 
 They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up 
articles from scientific journals that show that certain climate models 
have predicted climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for 
by chance. These models also show that the amount of warming we have 
experienced cannot be accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed 
due to the greenhouse gases we have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up 
that evidence if you insist. But, as a gentleman, I would hope you don't 
make me look stuff up just on the hope that I won't bother. If you 
really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge me to prove it. 
But please do not waste my time.

On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at the proper 
temperature! ;)
Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck


On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:


Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere cause the planet 
to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of physics and can be tested 
experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse Effect".

Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas into 
our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the earth's 
crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists the top 
oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a hundred 
million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million barrels per 
day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every 
day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much effect 
the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, often 
called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can predict 
things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have indeed put 
enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.

Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being caused by human 
activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called "fuzzy thinking".  It's 
akin to a person defending themselves in court by saying the police can't prove that the 
guy he shot didn't just happen to drop dead from some other reason right before the 
bullet hit him.  It is not my job to disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. 
The 3 facts  I gave above prove that global warming is being caused by humans. Where is 
the flaw?




On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Scott,
Your absolutely 100% correct again!
Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global 
warming"  out of the water!
How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption?
Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some more light 
on this but at this point the only thing that would keep this on topic is that She 
uses a Mac book pro! LOL
Talk soon
Chuck

On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:


Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he’s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

Okay. Prove me wrong. Where are your facts? Otherwise, it's bullstuff.

PS: Feel free to challenge me to provide proof of anything I've said.
On 11/10/2016 12:17 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

And see you’ve just entirely discredited your position.  Typical lefty move 
when you have an indefensible position and you’re presented with facts which 
are confirmed you result to name calling.

I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, he’s a blow hard just like Sean Hanity and 
the whole bunch.  In fact I get most of my news from outside the united states. 
 But it does prove your true colors and it proves my point that you live inside 
the bubble of the global climate change religion which is as irrational as any 
other faith based position that lacks support in hard measurable fact.  But go 
ahead and name call, I’m happy to give you suitable rope to hang yourself.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

None of what you say below is a proven fact. Yu've been listening to too much 
Rush Limbaugh. I don't actually care where you got this crap from, it's crap. 
If you want to say otherwise, provide some links. Otherwise, I call BS on 
everything you say.

*I* am not in any Al Gore bubble. That's bullstuff.





On 11/10/2016 11:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well, let’s remember, the UN climate group did fudge their numbers which is a 
proven fact so that does sort of lead towards the hoax factor.  Let’s also 
remember when it’s been demonstrated that recent temperatures are cooling if 
anything the global warming crowd changed their phrase from global warming to 
climate change.  Let’s also note the sun has had an increase in output over the 
last century  that fluctuates but also correlates with temperature and weather 
changes recorded both on the planet and on other planets such as temperature 
changes recorded on Mars although we have a very narrow data set there so it’s 
hard to say that’s a trend with a lack of data.

The fact is the global warming crowd or climate change or what ever you call it 
now is in a bubble, an Al Gorr generated bubble generated specifically to put 
money in Mr. Gorr’s pocket with the carbon credits scheme.  There’s also a 
culture of firing scientists who contest the findings which happens in many 
established areas of research but especially here.  It’s a scam to put money in 
Gorr’s and Decrapio’s pockets among others not a real effort to reduce 
pollution.  If it was real then people would be researching real energy 
alternatives like Nuclear and wouldn’t cut funding for things like the national 
ignition project.  So yes, Global warming is a scam.  These were the same folks 
who used to cry nuclear winter and previously claimed an ice age was coming and 
change their positions through out history.  The sky is not falling and I for 
one am not going to support the enrichment of the Gorr family based on 
fabricated science that even the united nations was forced to admit to.

There are so many wholes in the theory starting with the lack of long term data 
and deliberate fudging of data to prove an imaginary point through to the lack 
of compensation for the heat reflectivity changes caused by the increase in use 
of concrete near temperature measuring stations which cause a small but 
measurable delta in the data which they refuse to correct for.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

My point was not that it was never reasonable to be skeptical about global 
warming. My point was that it was never sensible to assert that scientists were 
trying to pull off a hoax.  If you think it was ever reasonable to assert that 
global warming was a hoax, then you should not be allowed to vote at least 
until you get your head on straight.

PS: I am willing to debate global warming with you any time any place. The 
facts are on my side.






On 11/10/2016 10:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he’s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they 
vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. If you ever thought global 
warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever 
hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you ever believ

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

Oh, for pete's sake! I'm not advocating for taking away anyone's right 
to vote. I am saying we shouldn't be encouraging people to vote just to 
vote. If you don't know what you are doing you should choose to stay  home.


When I say if you ever thought global warming was a hoax, you shouldn't 
be allowed to vote, I mean you shouldn't allow yourself to vote. Your 
friends, people who love you and care about you, should do an 
intervention and convince you to stay home for your own good. They 
should sit you down and say, "Look, we know you enjoy excersizing your 
right to vote but you're only hurting yourself. We love you and we are 
worried you might do something you will regretlater  -- like vote for 
Donald Trump."

On 11/10/2016 11:26 AM, Robin wrote:

Why should EveryOne Vote
Cause
They BeingEveryOne has TheRight ToDoSo
EvenIf they are UnInformed concerning TheIssues
No One's Voice should be Muffled or Silenced

Minorities were considered ToBe UnInformed AsItPertainsTo TheIssues In
The Past, but Their RightToVote shouldn't be TakenAway because of that

I don't Agree with TheOutCome of TheElection either, but I am Not One to
Silence OpposingViews
I would rather TryTo Educate Others to MyPointOfView & Hear TheirView &
Allow them TheFreedom to Vote as They Desire & Choose

Based on YourReply & YourResponse, you Appear ToBe IN Favor of
VoterSupression of TheUnEducated

Since ThisCountry is More & More UnEducated, TheirVoice should be Heard

At 07:31 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote:

But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote?
Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.

It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure
you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for
random medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.

Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the
issues, you should STAY HOME!


repeating that they should vote is NO answer.





On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:

I Disagree
Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote
No Matter What iff Eligible
At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's
how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you
havent studied the issues, please stay home.



On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please letâ€ââ„¢s keep it
that way.  Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty
regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and have
your voice heard if you haven̢۪t already.

.

Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling
place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google
also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits
to get to your closest polls.  the parties are offering rides and
volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available
today to voters.  Keep that “I voted•€  sticker and Krispy
Cream
will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving
free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day
promotions that include discounts or out right freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought and died
for your right to vote so let̢۪s not let them dowdown and make
sure we
take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our
right to vote.  Now get out there and be safe everyone.


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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

None of what you say below is a proven fact. Yu've been listening to too 
much Rush Limbaugh. I don't actually care where you got this crap from, 
it's crap. If you want to say otherwise, provide some links. Otherwise, 
I call BS on everything you say.


*I* am not in any Al Gore bubble. That's bullstuff.





On 11/10/2016 11:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well, let’s remember, the UN climate group did fudge their numbers which is a 
proven fact so that does sort of lead towards the hoax factor.  Let’s also 
remember when it’s been demonstrated that recent temperatures are cooling if 
anything the global warming crowd changed their phrase from global warming to 
climate change.  Let’s also note the sun has had an increase in output over the 
last century  that fluctuates but also correlates with temperature and weather 
changes recorded both on the planet and on other planets such as temperature 
changes recorded on Mars although we have a very narrow data set there so it’s 
hard to say that’s a trend with a lack of data.

The fact is the global warming crowd or climate change or what ever you call it 
now is in a bubble, an Al Gorr generated bubble generated specifically to put 
money in Mr. Gorr’s pocket with the carbon credits scheme.  There’s also a 
culture of firing scientists who contest the findings which happens in many 
established areas of research but especially here.  It’s a scam to put money in 
Gorr’s and Decrapio’s pockets among others not a real effort to reduce 
pollution.  If it was real then people would be researching real energy 
alternatives like Nuclear and wouldn’t cut funding for things like the national 
ignition project.  So yes, Global warming is a scam.  These were the same folks 
who used to cry nuclear winter and previously claimed an ice age was coming and 
change their positions through out history.  The sky is not falling and I for 
one am not going to support the enrichment of the Gorr family based on 
fabricated science that even the united nations was forced to admit to.

There are so many wholes in the theory starting with the lack of long term data 
and deliberate fudging of data to prove an imaginary point through to the lack 
of compensation for the heat reflectivity changes caused by the increase in use 
of concrete near temperature measuring stations which cause a small but 
measurable delta in the data which they refuse to correct for.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

My point was not that it was never reasonable to be skeptical about global 
warming. My point was that it was never sensible to assert that scientists were 
trying to pull off a hoax.  If you think it was ever reasonable to assert that 
global warming was a hoax, then you should not be allowed to vote at least 
until you get your head on straight.

PS: I am willing to debate global warming with you any time any place. The 
facts are on my side.






On 11/10/2016 10:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he’s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they 
vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. If you ever thought global 
warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever 
hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you ever believed scientists were deliberately 
making it up, then you should never again be allowed to vote. Well, maybe that 
is a bit harsh. You should have to prove you have learned your lesson though.




On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

One thing  I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they
recognize that those who choose not to participate in the voting process
hurt the country as a whole.
So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a fine.
The choice to be  willfully ignorant is often not something that a city,
county or country can afford.
I respect that many might not have enjoyed the menu options, but
choosing to skip the democratic process is especially damaging where,
like stateside, it is more  of an electoral college election than a
general public mandate anymore.
Speaking only for myself, it seems time to  give voters a clear
incentive to educate themselves about those issues.  fine 

Global Warming

[Todor Fassl]

Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:

Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere 
cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of 
physics and can be tested experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse 
Effect".


Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse 
gas into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up 
in the earth's crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page 
that lists the top oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up 
to more than a hundred million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a 
hundred million barrels per day. There are also millions of tons of coal 
and natural gas being mined every day.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2241rank.html

Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much 
effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those 
calculations, often called climate models, are proven to be accurate 
because they can predict things like droughts and floods to a degree 
that cannot be accounted for by chance. And these climate models 
consistently show that we have indeed put enough greenhouse gas into our 
atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.


Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being 
caused by human activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called 
"fuzzy thinking".  It's akin to a person defending themselves in court 
by saying the police can't prove that the guy he shot didn't just happen 
to drop dead from some other reason right before the bullet hit him.  It 
is not my job to disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. The 3 
facts  I gave above prove that global warming is being caused by humans. 
Where is the flaw?





On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Scott,
Your absolutely 100% correct again!
Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global 
warming"  out of the water!
How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption?
Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some more light 
on this but at this point the only thing that would keep this on topic is that She 
uses a Mac book pro! LOL
Talk soon
Chuck

On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:


Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he’s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they 
vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. If you ever thought global 
warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever 
hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you ever believed scientists were deliberately 
making it up, then you should never again be allowed to vote. Well, maybe that 
is a bit harsh. You should have to prove you have learned your lesson though.




On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

One thing  I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they
recognize that those who choose not to participate in the voting process
hurt the country as a whole.
So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a fine.
The choice to be  willfully ignorant is often not something that a city,
county or country can afford.
I respect that many might not have enjoyed the menu options, but
choosing to skip the democratic process is especially damaging where,
like stateside, it is more  of an electoral college election than a
general public mandate anymore.
Speaking only for myself, it seems time to  give voters a clear
incentive to educate themselves about those issues.  fine want to stay
home enough to pay a fine for that right?
Kare


On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Todor Fassl wrote:


But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote?
Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.

It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure
you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for
random medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.

Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the
issues, you 

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

My point was not that it was never reasonable to be skeptical about 
global warming. My point was that it was never sensible to assert that 
scientists were trying to pull off a hoax.  If you think it was ever 
reasonable to assert that global warming was a hoax, then you should not 
be allowed to vote at least until you get your head on straight.


PS: I am willing to debate global warming with you any time any place. 
The facts are on my side.







On 11/10/2016 10:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow 
huge holes in your global warming position.  Scientists did infect fudge factor 
data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming 
trends on other planets.;)

That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air and sea but 
the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a few.  The next time 
Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less energy while he’s flying around 
in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll 
smack him with a trout.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting 
via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they 
vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. If you ever thought global 
warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever 
hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you ever believed scientists were deliberately 
making it up, then you should never again be allowed to vote. Well, maybe that 
is a bit harsh. You should have to prove you have learned your lesson though.




On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

One thing  I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they
recognize that those who choose not to participate in the voting process
hurt the country as a whole.
So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a fine.
The choice to be  willfully ignorant is often not something that a city,
county or country can afford.
I respect that many might not have enjoyed the menu options, but
choosing to skip the democratic process is especially damaging where,
like stateside, it is more  of an electoral college election than a
general public mandate anymore.
Speaking only for myself, it seems time to  give voters a clear
incentive to educate themselves about those issues.  fine want to stay
home enough to pay a fine for that right?
Kare


On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Todor Fassl wrote:


But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote?
Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.

It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure
you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for
random medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.

Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the
issues, you should STAY HOME!


repeating that they should vote is NO answer.





On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:

I Disagree
Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote
No Matter What iff Eligible
At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

 I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's
 how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If

you

 havent studied the issues, please stay home.

 On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

 For our friends in the US,
 Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it
 that way.  Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty
 regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and

have

 your voice heard if you haven’t already.
 Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling
 place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and

Google

 also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some

credits

 to get to your closest polls.  the parties are offering rides and
 volunteer services as well.
 Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available
 today to voters.  Keep that “I voted† sticker and Krispy >

 Cream

 will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving
 free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day
 promotions that include discounts or out right freebies.
 Remember that many service men and women have fought and

died

 for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make

sure > >  we

 take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our
 right to vote.  Now get out there and be safe everyone.
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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from 
voting via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know 
*something* before they vote is not practical.  It would be nice though. 
If you ever thought global warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed 
to vote. I don't mean if you ever hoped it wasn't true. I mean if you 
ever believed scientists were deliberately making it up, then you should 
never again be allowed to vote. Well, maybe that is a bit harsh. You 
should have to prove you have learned your lesson though.





On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

One thing  I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they
recognize that those who choose not to participate in the voting process
hurt the country as a whole.
So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a fine.
The choice to be  willfully ignorant is often not something that a city,
county or country can afford.
I respect that many might not have enjoyed the menu options, but
choosing to skip the democratic process is especially damaging where,
like stateside, it is more  of an electoral college election than a
general public mandate anymore.
Speaking only for myself, it seems time to  give voters a clear
incentive to educate themselves about those issues.  fine want to stay
home enough to pay a fine for that right?
Kare


On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Todor Fassl wrote:


But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote?
Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.

It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure
you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for
random medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.

Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the
issues, you should STAY HOME!


repeating that they should vote is NO answer.





On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:

 I Disagree
 Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote
 No Matter What iff Eligible
 At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
>  I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's
>  how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If
you
>  havent studied the issues, please stay home.
> > > >  On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> >  For our friends in the US,
> >  Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it
> >  that way.  Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty
> >  regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and
have
> >  your voice heard if you haven’t already.
> >  Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling
> >  place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and
Google
> >  also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some
credits
> >  to get to your closest polls.  the parties are offering rides and
> >  volunteer services as well.
> >  Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available
> >  today to voters.  Keep that “I voted† sticker and Krispy >
>  Cream
> >  will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving
> >  free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day
> >  promotions that include discounts or out right freebies.
> >  Remember that many service men and women have fought and
died
> >  for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make
sure > >  we
> >  take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our
> >  right to vote.  Now get out there and be safe everyone.
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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

I am not sure I get your point. You don't believe that crap, do you? 
These are good examples of voters willingness to believe anything, no 
matter how crazy. But that's all they are.





On 11/10/2016 09:56 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi donna,
Scott makes several excellent points here again! :)
my neighborhood was about 80% Trump from the people My wife & I would talk to 
twice a day while walking the 106 pound black lab!
We were giving out our latest music production;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZLEo7nEej4=youtu.be
and getting into some pretty in-depth conversations btw!
Heres 2 links on why your shocked about the Vote.
Warning again!
PG rating!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
also;
http://videoeta.com/movie/186138/hillarys-america/
Its interesting how the media spins everything!
Chuck

On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:


Maybe it's the circles I run in. I do know a couple of Trump supporters, but 
really everyone I know well enough that we would discuss it was adamantly 
opposed to trump, even if they weren't crazy about Hilary.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over again.  
If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no way, if you 
listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen.

Polling is dead.  There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic reason 
for it as well.  Apple and Google have us all cutting the cord and living with 
cell phones now.  Pollsters can’t call cell phones.  The fewer hard lines there 
are left out there the fewer people to sample.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Most people I know are still in a state of shock.  I didn't think this would 
happen in a million years.  Hilary wasn't a good candidate, but still ...
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Bummer dudes and dudettes!



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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 12:50 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Get out there and vote everyone!

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way.  Get 
out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / 
candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t 
already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft 
has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has the means to 
arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to your closest polls.  
the parties are offering rides and volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today to 
voters.  Keep that “I voted” sticker and Krispy Cream will give you a free 
donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving free coffee, and many small 
businesses are having election day promotions that include discounts or out 
right freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought and died for your 
right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we take advantage of our 
most powerful expression of our freedom, our right to vote.  Now get out there 
and be safe everyone.

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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

Google can tell you stuff like this, you know.

I've been saying that if you haven't educated yourself about the issues, 
you should not vote. But part of the point here is that it's really not 
that hard to do a little research.  Get into the habit of catching 
yourself saying, "I heard this" or "I think it's like that." When that 
happens, google it and make sure.


I know people are going to say there is so much misinformation out there 
on the internet. And it's true, you do have to be a little careful. Do 
not believe any one source. Consider whether each source can be trusted. 
But generally, a simple google search will give you a handful of sites 
that can put you at ease as to the facts on any particular issue. For 
example, if you research the facts on global warming, the debate quickly 
becomes one as to how aggressively we need to address that problem 
rather than whether it is a problem at all.




On 11/09/2016 07:45 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Actually,
 It can be tighter than this, depending on where the person is
registered. It  is by election cycle,  and how that can  be defined
varies.
Still it would be difficult to stay on the rolls if you miss more than
two cycles, sometimes if you miss only one.
For example I missed the 2008 presidential  election, even though I did
vote  in 2004.  I had to register again in 2012.
what I am  most interested in myself are the turnout percentages this
year. The  numbers are  unfortunately rarely a real majority.  so I want
to learn both   how many eligible voters did participate,  as well as
those who voted for  a different presidential candidate on the ballot
instead.
 Going back to the question though it is on a state by state basis even
if you are considered to be an overseas voter.
Karen


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


I’m not sure about the registration issue, I know of people missing
presidential elections and not having two reregister.  I think this
may be on a state by state basis but I do not know for certain.


On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:19 AM, David Chittenden 
wrote:

One correction, if memory serves, once a person is registered to vote
in a specific location, they remain registered until they miss a US
Presidential election. After missing a Presidential election, the
person needs to reregister. Therefore, a dead person will only remain
on the voter roles until after the next Presidential election.

As for the example about the prestuffed metal balet box, There are a
few cities which were known for this behavior. Chicago and New York
City both come to mind as large practitioners of this practice,
between 1890 and 1915. In both of these cities, the democrats were
caught doing so. In fact, it was the practice in New York City which
earned the dems the monicker of the donkey and the republicans the
elephant by press cartoonists.

All that said, both parties were caught using such practices at
various times and in various localities. This is all well-documented
in US history.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 9/11/2016, at 07:42, Scott Granados 
wrote:

Hi, Alex is right we should stick to the topic.  Remember I did try
to leave politics out of it and just encourage people to flex their
voting muscles no matter how they wished.;)

To answer your question though since it’s a great question, no we
have no such requirement.  Once you register to vote you’re
registered.  Now there are things that happen for example if a death
certificate is issued that registry entry should be removed but in
practicality that doesn’t always happen.  It really depends on the
individual state.  In some states you don’t even have to show
identification to vote, in others you do.  In some states they have
early voting meaning you can vote early either at a polling place or
via mail.  In other states you have election day only.  Florida is
an example where you can vote early, Michigan is an example where
you can only vote on election day.  There’s been a provision in
Texas state law that you can vote from space.:)  (Astronauts being
Houston Texas residents have a provision to vote electronically from
the space station as an example)  SO things differ.  TO my knowledge
though there’s no need to check in every year.

Great question.

To bring this squarely on topic though, I wish there was a way to
vote securely online.  I realize that’s very difficult to do safely
but how nice would it be to just fire up the old iPad or laptop and
vote.  We could be a lot more direct instead of so representative
like we are now but the security of such a thing just couldn’t be
guarantied.



On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

To tell you the truth and I'm being honest here, I love it when
things go wrong.  I laugh.

You are right Scott, the BBC and other News channels hype things
up.  It will be as it will 

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

What do you mean, "you're not supposed to" get calls from pollsters on 
your mobile phone?  I doubt there is a law that says that, at least not 
in the USA. Congress has set up do-not-call lists but they don't apply 
to political speech. That would be a violation of the First Amendment.I 
really doubt there is anything illegal about a pollster calling mobile 
phones. Maybe at one time they didn't do it out of politeness but 
something like that is not sustainable. These pollsters aren't doing 
this for fun, after all. Once one of them starts calling mobile phones, 
the others would have to go along in order to keep up.



On 11/10/2016 09:39 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You’re not supposed to, that’s very interesting.  I’ve rolled out dialers 
before and you’re supposed to prevent dialing blocks of DIDs assigned to cell 
carriers.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

I get calls from pollsters all the time on my cell phone.



On 11/10/2016 07:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over again.  
If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no way, if you 
listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen.

Polling is dead.  There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic reason 
for it as well.  Apple and Google have us all cutting the cord and living with 
cell phones now.  Pollsters can’t call cell phones.  The fewer hard lines there 
are left out there the fewer people to sample.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Most people I know are still in a state of shock.  I didn't think this would 
happen in a million years.  Hilary wasn't a good candidate, but still ...
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Bummer dudes and dudettes!



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 12:50 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Get out there and vote everyone!

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way.  Get 
out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / 
candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t 
already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft 
has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has the means to 
arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to your closest polls.  
the parties are offering rides and volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today to 
voters.  Keep that “I voted” sticker and Krispy Cream will give you a free 
donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving free coffee, and many small 
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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

I get calls from pollsters all the time on my cell phone.



On 11/10/2016 07:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over again.  
If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no way, if you 
listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen.

Polling is dead.  There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic reason 
for it as well.  Apple and Google have us all cutting the cord and living with 
cell phones now.  Pollsters can’t call cell phones.  The fewer hard lines there 
are left out there the fewer people to sample.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Most people I know are still in a state of shock.  I didn't think this would 
happen in a million years.  Hilary wasn't a good candidate, but still ...
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Bummer dudes and dudettes!



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Subject: Get out there and vote everyone!

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way.  Get 
out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / 
candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t 
already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft 
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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote? Just 
repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.


It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure 
you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for 
random medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help.


Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the issues, 
you should STAY HOME!



repeating that they should vote is NO answer.





On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:

I Disagree
Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote
No Matter What iff Eligible
At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's
how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you
havent studied the issues, please stay home.



On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it
that way.  Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty
regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and have
your voice heard if you haven’t already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling
place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google
also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits
to get to your closest polls.  the parties are offering rides and
volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available
today to voters.  Keep that “I voted† sticker and Krispy Cream
will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving
free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day
promotions that include discounts or out right freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought and died
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take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our
right to vote.  Now get out there and be safe everyone.


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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Todor Fassl]

I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's how 
bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you 
havent studied the issues, please stay home.




On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way.  Get 
out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / 
candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t 
already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft 
has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has the means to 
arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to your closest polls.  
the parties are offering rides and volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today to 
voters.  Keep that “I voted” sticker and Krispy Cream will give you a free 
donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving free coffee, and many small 
businesses are having election day promotions that include discounts or out 
right freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought and died for your 
right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we take advantage of our 
most powerful expression of our freedom, our right to vote.  Now get out there 
and be safe everyone.



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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Todor Fassl]

You should consider buying a refurbished iphone without a voice/data plan.



On 10/04/2016 01:14 PM, Erik Burggraaf wrote:

It seems to me the 6 came out in 2015.  The release sycle of the ipod
touch is about three years as I recall.

My five is also slugish.  I just sold off my macbook and decided not to
replace it.  That places me in thecentre of a technical conundrum.  My
five is not only slow and old.  The speaker and headphone jack are both
broken.  I have an android phone, and I trade off frequently because of
each device does some things better than the other.  Plus, I can't
always multitask.  I can't talk on the phone and listen to baseball on
the same device at the same time for example.

So, for me, I feel like this ipod needs to be upgraded.  I hate to pay
full price, but I don't want the screen space of an ipad or the added
cost.  I think if I can get back to work an ipod touch will be a very
easy sell.  I'll be fairly miffed if they completely discontinue ipod
touch before I can get one.

Best,

Erik

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On October 4, 2016 1:51:59 PM Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:


I hate how sluggish my 5 is.  I'd really like to replace it, but I
have enough reservations about the longevity of the 6, that I don't
think it's a good buy.  I think Scott may be wrong about when it came
out, my memory is that it came out at the same time as the iPhone 6 in
2014, not 2015.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

This rumor has been around for years. Lat time I investigated it, it
was about the ipod nano. I can believe they are going to discontinue
that. They might even discontinue the ipod touch but they'd probably
replace it with a small ipad. The ipod touch is much more like a
small, inexpensive ipad than it is like a nano. I don't know why they
call it an ipod.

I still have an ipod touch 4 which I use literally every day almost
from dawn to dusk. I use it as an alarm clock in the morning, as an
mp3 player while I'm working out, and for listening to books in the
evening.


On 10/04/2016 12:05 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

The iPod 6 came out in July of 2015, so it's not really all that
outdated. I also suspect it will run the next iOS major release next
year, but that could very well be the last one. I really hope if they
discontinue the 6, that they will be replacing it with a newer model
instead of dropping it off of the market. When the Watch can run iOS
entirely, and only then, would I consider it a viable replacement. I
have no interest in a bulky iPad myself, but know I'm in the minority.

Scott

On 10/4/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yeah I've noticed that myself,

I have 3 iPods
A 16gb fifth gen,
A 64 gb fifth gen
And a 64 gig 6th gen

So the only one updated to IOS 10 is the sixth gen which I have my
audio
books on,
The 16gb fifth gen is the one I use as a cycle / training computer and
that's the one I'm thinking of replacing.

So replacing it will be the interesting thing, might have a look at a
slightly older phone like a 5 or 5s

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 1:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Simon,

Depending on what your next upgrade path is, you might want to just
use an
old iPhone, or even by one used.  If you get an iPod, it'll have
the A8
chip, as opposed to the A10 that is in the current model.  It also
won't
have the W1 chip--or whatever it's called.)  It'll also have a
longer shelf
life.  One thing that has happened to me is that the 5th gen isn't
upgradable to IOS 10.  I suspect that in a year or so, the 6th Gen
will stop
being upgradable as well.  And, not that I've ever needed it, but I
figure
this way I'll have a backup if anything happens to my phone.  I
know it
seems kind of like overkill, but I think if they're not going to
update the
iPod, that is the way I'm going to go.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:

Hell that's not enough,

I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio
books and
that's only a mear portion of what I have.


I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will
increase to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this
discussion
earlier on the thread.


David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:

At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple
Watch that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Todor Fassl]

This rumor has been around for years. Lat time I investigated it, it was 
about the ipod nano. I can believe they are going to discontinue that. 
They might even discontinue the ipod touch but they'd probably replace 
it with a small ipad. The ipod touch is much more like a small, 
inexpensive ipad than it is like a nano. I don't know why they call it 
an ipod.


I still have an ipod touch 4 which I use literally every day almost from 
dawn to dusk. I use it as an alarm clock in the morning, as an mp3 
player while I'm working out, and for listening to books in the evening.



On 10/04/2016 12:05 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

The iPod 6 came out in July of 2015, so it's not really all that
outdated. I also suspect it will run the next iOS major release next
year, but that could very well be the last one. I really hope if they
discontinue the 6, that they will be replacing it with a newer model
instead of dropping it off of the market. When the Watch can run iOS
entirely, and only then, would I consider it a viable replacement. I
have no interest in a bulky iPad myself, but know I'm in the minority.

Scott

On 10/4/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yeah I've noticed that myself,

I have 3 iPods
A 16gb fifth gen,
A 64 gb fifth gen
And a 64 gig 6th gen

 So the only one updated to IOS 10 is the sixth gen which I have my audio
books on,
 The 16gb fifth gen is the one I use as a cycle / training computer and
that's the one I'm thinking of replacing.

So replacing it will be the interesting thing, might have a look at a
slightly older phone like a 5 or 5s

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 1:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Simon,

Depending on what your next upgrade path is, you might want to just use an
old iPhone, or even by one used.  If you get an iPod, it'll have the A8
chip, as opposed to the A10 that is in the current model.  It also won't
have the W1 chip--or whatever it's called.)  It'll also have a longer shelf
life.  One thing that has happened to me is that the 5th gen isn't
upgradable to IOS 10.  I suspect that in a year or so, the 6th Gen will stop
being upgradable as well.  And, not that I've ever needed it, but I figure
this way I'll have a backup if anything happens to my phone.  I know it
seems kind of like overkill, but I think if they're not going to update the
iPod, that is the way I'm going to go.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hell that's not enough,

I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio books and
that's only a mear portion of what I have.


I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will
increase to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion
earlier on the thread.


David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:

At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple
Watch that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7


On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my
Apple Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music
app, but as I understand it, all music would be played via
connecting to the cloud, or another device like an iPhone.  Why
bother with that when you could just store your music directly on
the player?  I'm thinking about things like long car trips here,
where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of
data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my
plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna


On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith 
wrote:

You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to
shift people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no
definite knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems
speculation that iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer
term switch.


I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod
apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the
page "footer area".


The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now
so it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.



David Griffith



On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I
had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After
reading this thread, I looked at 

walkie-talkie app recommendation

[Todor Fassl]

I need a blutooth walkie-talkie app for my iPhone.  There is only like a 
million of them on the app store. Any recommendations?


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weather alerts on ipod & iphone

[Todor Fassl]

I am looking for a recommendation as to how I can get weather alerts on 
my ipod and iphone. I'd like the devices to bleap or something if a 
storm is forecast for my area. Is that possible?


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Re: Health apps

[Todor Fassl]

If you get this all figured out, would you post a summary? What 
heartrate monitor and software you're using, etc. I've been googling for 
this kind of info for years (literally). I asked on this list a few 
times too. I thought I was the only blind workout nut on the planet for 
a while there.



On 04/22/2016 05:41 PM, E.T. wrote:

   No no I cannot spin or I will fall over!

   Yes in settings you can select the types you want. I will choose 
indoor bike when I next play with the app. Its easy to navigate this 
app so I pretty much looked at all of it.


   I would love that cycling workout. Used to ride years ago and loved 
the mountain bike. Got to where I could do 20-30 miles and barely 
break a sweat. Sure miss that.


   So I will try to figure this out this weekend.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/22/2016 3:29 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi ET, I'm sitting here laughing,

  You've missed one,

There is also a spinning option as well.

  I setup all 3 but I tend to only use the first 2
And just to let you know this is where the app I think fails a bit, 
it will scrole through the workout types before it can get to the one 
you want,
So it could be defaulting to a run but you have to wait till the 
cycle option comes around, I've been lucky lately as it's started 
with the cycle option already highlighted but I think that’s just luck.


  I haven't spent any time trying to really figure it out, I wondered 
if I can disable all the other workout types to only have the ones I 
needed.



All I can say is give it a go and see how it works for you, if you 
find something better please let me know,


I've looked at approx. 20 different fitness apps including the run 
tastic ones and this turned out to be the best for what I was doing 
as the others seemed to want to use gps during the workout.


HTH.

Simon f

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.

Sent: Saturday, 23 April 2016 3:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Health apps

 Me again. Installed the app and connected the H7. There are two 
bike items. Cycling and Indoor Bike Training. Which one are you using?

Thanks. This might be just what I need.

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 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/22/2016 1:44 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi ET,

Yeah I use the same HR monitor
I was using it with the wahoo fitness app along with my cycle and erg,
   However that was using a cycling workout in the app to get the HR 
reading in real time.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.

Sent: Friday, 22 April 2016 3:03 AM
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Subject: Health apps

  Its been a while since I tried making this work and now with iOS
9.3.1 and updated apps, I am revisiting this.

  I have the Polar H7 heart rate monitor. Is it possible to get 
the heart rate spoken in real time with either the Health app or the 
Polar Beat app? Well maybe not the Polar Beat app which was last 
updated in October.


  Are there any other apps that supports announcing the data in 
real time?


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Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

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Re: FBI drop case against apple

[Todor Fassl]

To be clear, the FBI asked Apple to write something to make it possible 
to break into all iphones. Apple refused. The way they eventually got 
into the phone might be unique to the particular phone.



On 03/29/2016 08:47 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

This makes me wonder if Tim Cook is telling the truth. If memory serves, he 
said they can’t brake into one iPhone without breaking into all  iPhones sort 
of i.e. making a backdoor in all IOS.

So, now the security company’s may clap their hands while their customer base 
grows.

It would be cool to have an IOS that neither FBI or the bad guys could brake in.

Take care


30. mar. 2016 kl. 02.45 skrev Simon Fogarty :

So they gave it to Mosard?

I heard some rumour that God works for the Mosard!

Still good on apple if the Feds had to give it to the israilies

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2016 1:59 AM
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Subject: Re: FBI drop case against apple

So the Fat Bald and Ignorant agency did not hack the phone, the outsourced it 
to real professionals in this case the Israeli Intelligence.  CelleBrite is a 
company that spun out of Israel that does exactly that, cracks cell phones and 
communications.

I think it’s interesting now that apple is considering bring legal action to 
find out how they did it.

My understanding is they copied the data digitally off the hardware and then 
brute forced it but others may have more complete details.

Thank you

On Mar 29, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Folks,

   I’ve just listened to a news release that the FBI have managed to hack in to 
the terrorists iPhone and therefore have dropped the case against Apple

Way to go Apple for standing up for your customers wrights.

SF

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Re: FBI drop case against apple

[Todor Fassl]

I know, those darn terrorists ruin it for everyone, don't they?



On 03/29/2016 04:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Why do terrorists want to use an I phone to do their dirty work?  They should 
have use an android device.  So now it’s probably been ruined for us all, a 
floor in some of Apple’s software and endless trouble for the company to get it 
sorted.

Kawal.

On 29 Mar 2016, at 19:26, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:

I must say that I am glad the FBI hacked into the phone from which the
terrorist operated from. Now, I do believe in privacy and would hope
that this phone hack was an individual case; and what technique was
applied cannot be applied to all phones.
It is only fair that raging a war on terrorists involves obtaining as
much information from the individual as possible.
Vaughn

On 3/29/16, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

It's just not true that anything one person can make, someone else can
break. There are plenty of forms of encryption that simply cannot be
broken. The fact that the FBI got into this phone doesn't disprove that.
For all we know, they hacked into the guy's facebook account  and when
they tried that same password on his phone, it worked.  It could be
something as simple as that.

The fact that the FBI eventually got into this phone doesn't prove there
is some fundamental flaw in Apple's security. Most likely, the terrorist
just overlooked something. It might even be something so obscure that
almost anyone would overlook it. The vast majority of hacks are things
of that nature.


On 03/29/2016 08:06 AM, Scott Berry wrote:

Hi,

I think your wrong.  Here is the scoop.  Anything can be broken it doesn’t
matter what it is.  It’s been proven time and time again if a human makes
it a human can break it and that’s all I have to say read between the
lines.



On Mar 29, 2016, at 1:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com>
wrote:

It’s a bit concerning though, because it implies that the FBI now have a
way to break Apple’s security.  So what could that say about the security
Apple is providing?

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Re: FBI drop case against apple

[Todor Fassl]

It's just not true that anything one person can make, someone else can 
break. There are plenty of forms of encryption that simply cannot be 
broken. The fact that the FBI got into this phone doesn't disprove that. 
For all we know, they hacked into the guy's facebook account  and when 
they tried that same password on his phone, it worked.  It could be 
something as simple as that.


The fact that the FBI eventually got into this phone doesn't prove there 
is some fundamental flaw in Apple's security. Most likely, the terrorist 
just overlooked something. It might even be something so obscure that 
almost anyone would overlook it. The vast majority of hacks are things 
of that nature.



On 03/29/2016 08:06 AM, Scott Berry wrote:

Hi,

I think your wrong.  Here is the scoop.  Anything can be broken it doesn’t 
matter what it is.  It’s been proven time and time again if a human makes it a 
human can break it and that’s all I have to say read between the lines.



On Mar 29, 2016, at 1:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

It’s a bit concerning though, because it implies that the FBI now have a way to 
break Apple’s security.  So what could that say about the security Apple is 
providing?

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particularly inaccessible web pages?

[Todor Fassl]

I am giving a talk tomorrow about inaccessible web pages. Does anybody 
have any pages that are particularly difficult to access that I can show?


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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

[Todor Fassl]

The real question is what works. Is there such a problem with people 
posting IOS questions that the list is harmed somehow? Too much traffic?


People aren't going to get that they can't ask IOS questions here. If 
you want to make a rule like that, it's going to be very difficult to 
enforce. And enforcing the rule itself will cause problems. It makes a 
lot of work forthe moderators, it makes for hard feelings, and frankly, 
it tends to turn moderators into tyrants. Plus for several weeks now, 
the amount of traffic on this list about the list itself has been a big 
problem.


My opinion is that people should learn to press the delete key. If a 
topic doesn't interest you, press the delete key.  Learn some patience. 
Learn some tolerance.






On 09/28/2015 06:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the
home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a
list with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially
since we have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere,
though, and if both are allowed now the description should probably be
changed. The name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related
discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is
Macvisionaries after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has
degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that
provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve
deleted some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios
related so if anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for
macs not ios.






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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

[Todor Fassl]

I am guessing you never moderated a list before, right?


There are 2 types of list moderators. Those who see it as their job to 
help people solve problems and those who think it's their job to enforce 
rules. You sound like that latter type.



What you will almost certainly end up with is a slightly less wide 
ranging list with a very small clihe  of regular contributors. But maybe 
that's what you want.



You're going to have like a dozen people answering each others very 
specific questions. Once in a while, one of them will forget themselves 
and ask an IOS question. They'll thinkeither forget or they'll think 
they are so much a part of the in crowd that they can get away with it. 
Then you'll have to smack them down and there will be a huge fight. This 
pattern will repeat itself every 6 months or so.




The only alternative to being a tyrannical list moderator is to do what 
the moderators of this list have done.  That does have it's drawbacks, 
the primary one being the high traffic.



There is no perfect solution. Life is messy. Welcome to the planet earth.



On 09/28/2015 07:16 AM, deedra waters wrote:

wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since it’s already 
overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll still see about 
hosting something mac specific or finding a place to host one. i just dont have 
the time or the patience to wade through  all of the iphone topics just for the 
mac ones. perhapse people should change the name of this list while they’re at 
it. I know i’m being on the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this 
list even harder to follow.



On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related to Apple 
accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays. The reasoning was 
that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard commands on iOS, iCloud Drive 
documents, and so on--all Apple products are so linked that it was too 
restrictive to refuse messages about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and 
thus the list's topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just 
telling you why it happened.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters  wrote:

If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac list. 
after all this isn’t viphone.:P



On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is rather 
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.




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Re: El Kapitan.

[Todor Fassl]

I think they should have called it trusty tahr.


On 09/21/2015 12:30 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

I like El Kapitan. Don’t sit and think about the OSX name while using the OSX.

Take care

21. sep. 2015 kl. 14:44 skrev Scott Granados :

Anything would be better.  I propose OS X 10.11.  As they do with IOS they 
could just stick to the numbers.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name for 
an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they called it 
El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Shawn
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:

Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.

Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: El Kapitan.

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never heard 
of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names?  I 
preferred the cat family.

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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

[Todor Fassl]

I am unclear on what problems there are when you use a Mac /w/o a 
monitor. For a while, with leopard, I'd get hangs. But the problems 
seemed to go away with snow leopard. And that was a long time ago.



On 07/25/2015 08:28 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

Well then, you're lucky.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:57 AM, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote:

Someone wrote:

Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini late 
2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will when not connected 
to a monitor.

I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't require a 
monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.


XB

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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Todor Fassl]

My Mac mini is about 8 years old but I used it without a monitor for the 
first 7 years I had it. Way back in the original version, leopard maybe, 
it had problems running without a monitor. But once I upgraded it to 
snow leopard, it had no problems. Maybe they re-introduced the problems 
though.  I can't say for sure.


I now use my Mac mini only as a amazon movie player so it has a monitor 
connected all the time.


I would also question the advice to get a Macbook Air. Why pay for a 
monitor you don't need? You can borrow a monitor for the few times you 
need sighted assistance.




On 07/24/2015 11:19 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic 
interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get 
around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look 
more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just 
to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an 
operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter 
called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this 
will avoid the need for a monitor.

Original message:

Hi Pam,
I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking 
with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks 
who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why.


It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. 
And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and 
if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has 
something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come 
up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, 
depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up 
with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility 
of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come 
on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the 
keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is 
more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more 
storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a 
better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not 
trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability.

Mary




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Hi everyone,
I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to 
take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck 
on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only 
dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. 
He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his 
life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows 
discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 
machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I 
understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary 
purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, 
that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
speakers?
I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new 
operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. 
He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm 
attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any 
suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Many many thanks,



Pam Francis



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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Todor Fassl]

The Mac mini has a speaker but it isn't very nice. It's a judgement call 
but I'd say he would need speakers. And he'd need a keyboard. If he 
doesn't use a monitor on his Windows machine, he won't need one for his 
Mac mini. The problem would be that if he needs sighted assistance, he'd 
have no monitor around to use.


I am thinking of buying my wife the Windows equivalent of a Mac Mini. 
Right now we are using a very old Mac mini as an entertainment center. 
But she is a little uncomfortable with the operating system, just like 
your friend. I am thinking of replacing it with a micro PC and 
installing nvda formyself. Here is an article about these things:

http://www.computershopper.com/holidayguide/2014/top-10-the-best-small-pcs

On 07/24/2015 07:49 AM, Pamela Francis wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for 
wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn 
windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before 
support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices 
along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in 
electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows 
discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine 
because it was something  that he is familiar with. My question for the group 
is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, 
what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm 
correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
speakers?
I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system 
and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for 
this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before 
he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly 
appreciated.
Many many thanks,

Pam Francis



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Todor Fassl]

I agree. I do not see what the big deal is. A little tolerance would be 
in order, IMO. Learn to press the DEL key.




On 07/11/2015 05:43 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:

what better place to discuss this then here?  If we who are testing it ask each 
other questions, post comments observations etc, I don’t see why that isn’t a 
problem.  The better the communication we have the better feedback
we can have with apple to make sure our voices are heard to get things done 
during  this beta cycle.

When I was at wwdc, I was told this isn’t a big
  deal.

Maybe we should start a apple beta discussion list if there will be issues.

What do you guys think?  I think it would be good for it to be here this way 
the people who aren’t using it, they can have us who are using ios9beta test 
things they are having issues on iOsS 8.x to see if they are fixed in iOS 9.

Best,

Juan

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According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be discussed 
with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the public 
beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short answer is no.


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Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:

Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on my 
iPod touch.


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Re: Sorry if OT

[Todor Fassl]

I don't think we need to be Apple's police force though. It's none of 
our business if people are breaking a NDA. If you want to argue that 
it's off-topic, that's different.




On 07/11/2015 02:44 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with an 
eye device can download.

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On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:

no

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Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.

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Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on my 
iPod touch.


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Re: textDetective versus knfbReader

[Todor Fassl]

Well, I went ahead and bought the knfbReader so I will be able to do a 
comparison.  So far all I have done is to confirm that neither can read 
the blue screen of death on a Windows computer. I also put a linux 
computer into character mode and neither could read that screen either. 
That is really what I wanted it for.  But having something to read paper 
documents will be handy as well.


By the way, if you are curious, I artificially created the blue screen 
of death in a Windows virtual machine.  I don't actually have ablue 
screen of death right now.


On 07/10/2015 04:38 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

Personally, I think this list is for all things Apple, iPhones computers 
tablets whatever even now with the I watch. Should've would've could've, I 
consider asking questions on this list the form of research anyway. I 
appreciate the question because I'm thinking of buying KNFB myself. Anybody out 
there have some constructive thoughts on this question?


Sent from my IPhone



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Surely this should be a topic for Viphone rather than Macvisionaries?
None of these apps are available for Mac.

Anyway, to address your topic, yes KNFB Reader is a lot better. But you should 
have researched that.

On 7/10/2015 8:51 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
KnfbReader is on sale today for $75. The normal price is $99. Is knfbReader 
worth $75? I already own a license for textDetective. But I've heard that 
knfbReader is much better. Is that true?

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textDetective versus knfbReader

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KnfbReader is on sale today for $75. The normal price is $99. Is 
knfbReader worth $75? I already own a license for textDetective. But 
I've heard that knfbReader is much better. Is that true?


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Re: accessible ssh client

[Todor Fassl]

One of us is missing something. Is there a terminal app for IOS?



On 06/12/2015 02:01 PM, Tyler Thompson wrote:

Why not use terminal?

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone please recommend an accessible ssh client for IOS?

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accessible ssh client

[Todor Fassl]

Can anyone please recommend an accessible ssh client for IOS?

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current location with maps app

[Todor Fassl]

I was walking somewhere last night and I somehow got the IOS maps app to 
keep calling out my current location. Every ten seconds or so, it would 
say something like Current location, 6677 Elm Street. It would even 
say what the cross street was when I arrived at one. But then I had to 
find out what time it was and after tapping the time, I couldn't get the 
maps app back into the mode where it would keep calling out my current 
location.


What magical motions do I have to make to get the maps app to do that again?


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Text Detective, can'tget out of tutorial

[Todor Fassl]

Weirdest problem ever. I bought the OCR program Text Detective a while 
ago. I don't know if it was updated recently or what but when I run it 
now, I get a tutorial but I just cannot figure out how to get out of it.


The tutorial is 4 pages and I can go from page to page by swiping with 3 
fingers but there just doesn't seem to be a button for getting back to 
the main application. Crazy.



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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

[Todor Fassl]

I worked in an educational environment and we had to get rid of our Macs 
during the period when there was no screen reader for the version of Mac 
OS that was current at the time.  We weren't going to run an old version 
of Mac OS. We switched a lot, I mean a lot, of machines over to Windows 
and jaws.  Assuming the same thing was going on at other educational 
institutions, it would have represented hundreds of thousands of sales 
in a market segment that had always been particularly important to Apple.


My opinion is that you can directly attribute the development of 
voiceover to the federal 508 regulations that require computers in 
schools to have screen readers.


The trend is now totally in the other direction. There is a Mac in the 
room with the tredmills in the gym at this institution if you can 
believe that.  You can check your email after you're done with your 
workout, I guess. I would just use my iphone but ...


On 03/30/2015 06:56 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I wonder what the catalyst was for Apple’s ultimate choice to develop their 
screen reader?  The education sector?  Government?  The mythical two blind 
sons?  Certainly the APIs are now available for the development of an AT 
solution, so it’s entirely possible, technically.  But it doesn’t surprise me 
to learn that the Jobsian quest for perfection extended further back even than 
Apple’s introduction of their own usable screen reader, to the exclusion of 
others; I had not heard that story, and merely assumed that OS 9 was the choice 
of blind musicians (one of whom I knew) because it happened to be accessible 
with OutSpoken.  Although I’m not complaining that I didn’t have to pay for 
VoiceOver, there’s something to be said for diversification when it actually 
has the effect of giving the customer what they ultimately desire.

For my current weekly bash at Apple, see:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/suggestion-report-accessibility-bug-friday

Sometimes it’s the little things, sometimes not so little.  I only started it 
recently, because I think the situation for Yosemite is particularly 
disturbing, but many of those niggles go back to the very beginning.  And yes I 
think iOS is starting to feel the effects now as well.  It’s very fortunate 
that none of these issues currently make the platforms unusable.



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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

[Todor Fassl]

FS is not a bad company.  I think the main problem with jaws is that 
it's full of what programmers call cruft. Cruft is inefficient code 
that has accumulated over many years. I would think it is especially 
difficult to avoid cruft with screen readers since they are so 
intricately linked to the operating system.
To avoid cruft, you have to have a solid commitment to rewriting stuff 
from the ground up once in a while and that is going to be really, 
really hard with a screen reader.  On the other hand, it does seem as if 
jaws is particularly full of cruft even for a screen reader. I suspect 
that some of the early coding wasn't that good based on how often it 
used to crash.


But, honestly, I think FS's customer support is as good as it gets. The 
only complaint I'd have against FS as a company would be that crazy 
licensing scheme they had. I am not sure they still do it this way but 
if you changed any of the hardware in your PC, you had to re-license. If 
you added ram or swapped out a CD-ROM drive, you'd have to re-license jaws.


I guess I'll be finding out soon. I am going to have to start using 
VMware's vcenter client and it is optimized for jaws.


On 03/30/2015 06:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
You gotta be kidding! regarding Apple and FS.  Oh dear god! please 
tell me you are!  LOL!

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Hello,

Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen
reader for OSX. FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.

Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once
in the mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group
for screen reader development again after Berkeley Systems went
out-of-business.

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On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:


Hello,


On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover
in the first place was that the only  company making a screen
reader for Mac OS went out of business. If that company couldn't
survive before voiceover, it certainly couldn't survive now.



I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva
Access Group was still in business and wanted to make a
screenReader for OS X. However, Apple would not give them access
to the necessary information and it was a few years before it
became clear that Apple had decided to make its own screen reader.

Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to
progress beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was
still working for me.

I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen
reader and jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer
of 2004. It was then known as the Spoken Interface.

Cheers,

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history of voiceover (was: starting to get irritated by IOS 8)

[Todor Fassl]

Well, I didn't really make a note of the dates. I can only give them 
based on dates of historical events.  I believe that I was using jaws 
4.0 at the time. According to wikipedia, jaws 4.0 was released in 2001. 
That coincides nicely with the release of Mac Os X also in 2001. So I am 
going to say my memory there is correct. But I was not a Mac user at the 
time and I was never directly responsible for the computer labs.


Tiger wasn't released until 2005. So there would have been 4 years where 
there was no screen reader for Macs unless you wanted to run an obsolete 
version of the operating system.  I know it's fair to say you could 
stick with Mac OS 9 up until tiger came out but I don't think that is 
realistic in many cases. For example, the manager of a computer lab in a 
school or university isn't going to want to stick with a version of an 
operating system that was obsolete 4 years earlier. It's easier to talk 
the administration into ponying up the money for jaws.


I no longer work for the department that manages the computer labs here 
so I don't know when the switch back to Macs began. They're all over the 
place now, though.


On 03/31/2015 01:44 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing 
evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment.  A shame, I 
suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.

Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution decided 
to convert to Windows for this reason?  The one thing I’ve not yet been clear 
on is when Apple’s APIs were actually substantial enough.  For example it is 
documented that 10.2 or thereabouts contained support enough, but the screen 
reader did not actually appear until Panther (as Spoken interface Preview).  
Could it have been that, though present, the APIs were simply not documented?  
And in which case, when did the documentation appear?  It’s certainly available 
now.



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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

[Todor Fassl]

My experience is that few people are willing to discuss screen readers 
rationally. 
I find it disturbing that so many people are absolutely certain that their 
choice of screen reader was the right one and anyone who disagrees is ignorant 
or stupid.

I’ve been contemplating the idea of starting a screen-reader neutral list for 
discussing this. But, of course, nobody would join because everyone already 
knows their choice was the right one.

On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:20 PM, BBS bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

 I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the 
 daily/hourly drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or 
 suspended. I have a bad reputation over there for being the poor little blind 
 guy that can't afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I don't 
 have enough money for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws any 
 day.
  
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Macbook
 - Original Message -
 From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
 Shawn,
  
 This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.
  
 chris.
  
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 - Original Message -
 From: Shawn Krasniuk
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
 Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list named 
 Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us 
 aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if 
 blind and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are 
 bugs, but I along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to 
 make iOS 8.3 and OS X Yosemite the best it can be.
 As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I just 
 laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it was 
 entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's 
 mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't 
 appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Donna,
  
 What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike you, 
 and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid 
 examples of how things are still broken.  How must one expect us to believe 
 them if they won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.
  
 Chris.
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Donna Goodin
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
 I have to agree with the believer, here.  I don't know what you guys are 
 talking about.  Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on 
 the cutting edge.  I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the 
 visionaries that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that.  But in 
 terms of the actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually 
 find Voiceover to be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty 
 clear to me that they made some accessibility improvements.  I'm running 
 Yosemite on my MBA, and am happy with that as well.  I don't feel in anyway 
 that accessibility is being pushed off to the side.  Are there things that 
 could be improved, absolutely.  But Apple is still doing a better job than 
 any other company of building native accessibility into its products.  I 
 had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I can say truthfully it'd be a cold 
 day in hell before I switch back to a PC.  I haven't used an Android phone 
 since 2010, and I'm sure the landscape there has changed significantly 
 since then.  But when I did try it, the experience did not bring me joy.
 
 This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to invalidate 
 the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just to say 
 that not all of us are.  Don't know why some would be while others aren't, 
 but perhaps that is the case.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
 have pretty much been fixed.
  
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 

Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

[Todor Fassl]

I've heard that point about Apple's responsiveness before. I am a 
somewhat casual Mac user and I don't have a good way to gauge the value 
of that point.  But I brought it up on another list and got soundly 
trashed for it. But I don't know enough about voiceovers flaws to defend 
the point. What problems are there with voiceover?


And I am guessing that when you say it's possible for there to be a 
second screen reader for Mac OS, you mean just that -- possible but not 
likely. Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover 
in the first place was that the only  company making a screen reader for 
Mac OS went out of business. If that company couldn't survive before 
voiceover, it certainly couldn't survive now.


For now, Freedom Scientific's response to nvda, orca, and voiceover 
seems to be to up their game. But I wonder how long they can keep it up. 
Your only choice on Mac OS is voiceover. There's only 1 screen reader 
for linux too.  That does seem to be the future.




On 03/30/2015 10:54 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I dunno, really.  I am  fortunate enough to have access to three

 commercial screen readers for Windows (Window-Eyes, Supernova and
 JAWS) as well as to NVDA and of course VoiceOver on the Mac, the
 latter of which just happens to be my primary combination. I’m still
 not convinced that’s enough.  Certainly there does exist the
 potential for the Mac to have a third-party screen reader that sucks
 less than VoiceOver, and Windows accessibility is just fundamentally
 broken anyway by birth, but if Microsoft ever pulls its finger
 out—who knows, we may yet reconcile the need for working
 accessibility out of the box with a choice of multiple platforms, but
 I do worry that the commitment to (at least OS X’s) VoiceOver has not
 been as good as it could or should be, and if we _want_ to have just
 one choice of screen reader for every platform then we had better be
 ready to accept nothing less than perfect.  It would be a great
 disappointment to find that platforms with excellent out-of-box
 accessibility were hamstrung merely by internalised development
 processes and NIH politics, yet that seems to be the one true way
 with OS X and iOS, and also recently ChromeOS and Windows as well.  I
 consider Windows to be the more accessible platform at the moment,
 merely on the basis of application choices, but I use OS X because I
 prefer the model and quality of the accessibility that it provides.
 This may change if Microsoft does a half-decent job with Narrator in
 Win10, or alternatively that my discontent with OS X in general and
 perhaps VO in particular simply drive me back to Windows for the
 better of the mediocrities.  MS are strongly hinting that they do not
 intend to replace AT, so this seems very likely.

 JMO. :)



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Re: Peel the Apple list.

[Todor Fassl]

I would not join that list as a matter of principle. I can understand 
having a strict invitation-only policy. I don't care who you are, if you 
haven't been invited, you can't join. But I don't like the idea of 
blackballing someone based on rumors of how they behaved on another 
list. That smacks of elitism. In otherwords, I think the option goes the 
wrong way.  Instead of keeping people off because of their rep, they 
ought to be allowed on because of their rep.


On 03/30/2015 12:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Well, I wonder who represents me then, as no one knows me on here so when I 
asked to join the list, one can't judge anyone unless something truly bad has 
been said.  Just what I think.  But now that the mess has been cleared up on 
this list, I am truly grateful.

Kawal.
On 30 Mar 2015, at 13:51, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:

It’s anoterh list that talks and helps with every thing apple.  AppleTV, mac, 
iPad, iPhone, and even has an open discussion on the weekend for other topics 
like windows, android, and even that other screen reader.  As for others 
whining and complaining about not gaining membership?  We aprove members based 
on what we know about how they handle themselves on other lists, and trouble 
and banter that has been negative.  So bottom line is, if you have a bad rep, 
and we have read, heard, or been emailed about it.  Then that kind of member is 
not welcome on the peel the apple list.  If you feel that is unfair, sorry, but 
that is just our policy.  Especially after what happened on the macvisionaries 
list this past weekend.  As for thoughs who do want to join the peel the apple 
list, and have not been there before.  The info is below.
Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
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Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/
Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple
And ask your question there.  All are welcome!




On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

What is the peal the apples list?
On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:


I tried joining Peel the Apple list some time ago but was refused as I think 
the moderators of that list only let select people join that list as they only 
have favourites.  I asked several times why I was not allowed to join but never 
got an answer.

Kawal.

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Re: Peel the Apple list.

[Todor Fassl]

I'll pass on joining your clique. If you feel that is unfair, sorry, but 
that is just my policy.


On 03/30/2015 03:27 PM, Kliph wrote:

It’s not rumors, it’s fact.  The people that were not allowed on that list, i 
have been on other lists with.  And they have bashed, and flamed others.  Even 
emailed members privately and continued to harass them.  So, no they were not 
bad for rumor, but for fact and evidence of the above reason.  So if you choose 
not to join that group, I am pretty sure we will not cry.  Our member base 
speaks for itself.

On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:

I would not join that list as a matter of principle. I can understand having a 
strict invitation-only policy. I don't care who you are, if you haven't been 
invited, you can't join. But I don't like the idea of blackballing someone 
based on rumors of how they behaved on another list. That smacks of elitism. In 
otherwords, I think the option goes the wrong way.  Instead of keeping people 
off because of their rep, they ought to be allowed on because of their rep.

On 03/30/2015 12:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Well, I wonder who represents me then, as no one knows me on here so when I 
asked to join the list, one can't judge anyone unless something truly bad has 
been said.  Just what I think.  But now that the mess has been cleared up on 
this list, I am truly grateful.

Kawal.
On 30 Mar 2015, at 13:51, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:

It’s anoterh list that talks and helps with every thing apple.  AppleTV, mac, 
iPad, iPhone, and even has an open discussion on the weekend for other topics 
like windows, android, and even that other screen reader.  As for others 
whining and complaining about not gaining membership?  We aprove members based 
on what we know about how they handle themselves on other lists, and trouble 
and banter that has been negative.  So bottom line is, if you have a bad rep, 
and we have read, heard, or been emailed about it.  Then that kind of member is 
not welcome on the peel the apple list.  If you feel that is unfair, sorry, but 
that is just our policy.  Especially after what happened on the macvisionaries 
list this past weekend.  As for thoughs who do want to join the peel the apple 
list, and have not been there before.  The info is below.
Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
patient with you.
Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/
Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple
And ask your question there.  All are welcome!




On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

What is the peal the apples list?
On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:


I tried joining Peel the Apple list some time ago but was refused as I think 
the moderators of that list only let select people join that list as they only 
have favourites.  I asked several times why I was not allowed to join but never 
got an answer.

Kawal.

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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

[Todor Fassl]

Do you have a reason for not wanting to just set up a second gmail 
account? I just set up a second gmail account last night and the audio 
captcha was the best, clearest I've ever heard. In fact, I was able to 
type it into the form as it was spoken. All I had to do when it finished 
speaking was tab to the next field and continue setting up the account. 
It couldn't have been easier.
i all I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to 
set up another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. 
So was just wondering if anyone could recommend any other e-mail 
providers which are as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple 
training session this afternoon, so any suggestions before then would be 
much appreciated, then I can get them to help me set it up. My main 
reason for having one is so I can have a rescue e-mail for my Apple 
security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort out 2-step 
verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the e-mail 
address will become irrelevant). But nevertheless, any ideas on 
accessible e-mail providers would be much appreciated, as it's always 
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Re: best compression utility for the mac

[Todor Fassl]

By decide do you mean how do you tell zip to compress faster or better? 
If you want zip to compress faster you use -1 at the command line. To 
compress better, you use -9.


If you're asking how you decide whether to use -1 or -9, it would depend 
on how much disk space you have.


On 03/26/2015 11:07 AM, Joe Quinn wrote:

How do you decide between speed and compression in doing zip files in OS X?

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:

There are theoretical limits to the amount of compression you can get without 
loss of information although different compression algorithms would work better 
or worse depending on the stuff you are compressing.  The OP said he wanted his 
stuff compressed as small as humanly possible but that would depend on his 
stuff. But zip, which is part of Mac OS,has a parameter for whether you want 
more speed or more compression. I doubt any other utility can do a lot better 
than zip. Like I said, there are theoretical limits to how much compression you 
can get so I doubt you'll get more than a few percent smaller files with some 
other tool.

Note: If you try to compress an already compressed file, like an mp3, it will 
probably get bigger.


On 03/26/2015 10:26 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I compressed my copy of Keynote, which is really made up of thousands of files 
under the hood totaling 611,951,069 bytes (692.5 MB). To test unix compress I 
did

tar -zcvf test.gz /Applications/Keynote.app/

which generated a compressed file of 428,440,218 bytes (428.4MB) or about 61.9% 
of the original file size. Doing the same thing through the finder I selected 
Keynote and then chose Compress from the File menu. That generated a zip file 
of 453,379,578 butes (453.4 MB) or 65.5%. Just for the fun of it I also tried 
doing a 7-Zip. Downloaded a 7-Zip app for OSX from here:

http://www.updatestar.com/directdownload/7zx/2188433

which generated a .7z file of 375,098,819 bytes (375.1MB) or about 54%. So it 
looks like 7-zip is the smallest (11% smaller than plain zip in my test) but 
the downside is that it's not very popular. If you send this to someone else 
they will have to go through the bother of finding, downloading and installing 
an app to uncompressed it. Pretty much everyone can handle a zip file without 
much trouble.

As with all compression, the results are also based on what you are 
compressing. Text, which has lots of repeating patterns, compresses really 
well. Binary files such as audio, video and images might not compress at all.

CB


On 3/25/15 7:38 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
now that SArchiver’s gone down the tubes? what’s the best archiving utility for 
the mac? i wanna be able to compress files as small as humanly possible, but 
still retain quality. thanks for any info!

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Re: best compression utility for the mac

[Todor Fassl]

Yeah, a folder full of mp3 files isn't going to compress much. The xls 
files will compress a lot but they probably take up very little space.


Different compression algorithms work better on different kinds of 
data.  What a tool can do is look at each file and dtermine which 
algorithm to use to compress it. 7-zip might do a better job of that 
than regular zip.  But probably to really do a valid test you'd have to 
tell zip to do it's best compression with the -9 command line option.


I predict that neither will do much with a folder full of mp3 files though.

On 03/26/2015 11:04 AM, Joe Quinn wrote:

Rats cause what I wanna compress is MP3 and off/XLS files in the same folder

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:26 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

I compressed my copy of Keynote, which is really made up of thousands of files 
under the hood totaling 611,951,069 bytes (692.5 MB). To test unix compress I 
did

tar -zcvf test.gz /Applications/Keynote.app/

which generated a compressed file of 428,440,218 bytes (428.4MB) or about 61.9% 
of the original file size. Doing the same thing through the finder I selected 
Keynote and then chose Compress from the File menu. That generated a zip file 
of 453,379,578 butes (453.4 MB) or 65.5%. Just for the fun of it I also tried 
doing a 7-Zip. Downloaded a 7-Zip app for OSX from here:

http://www.updatestar.com/directdownload/7zx/2188433

which generated a .7z file of 375,098,819 bytes (375.1MB) or about 54%. So it 
looks like 7-zip is the smallest (11% smaller than plain zip in my test) but 
the downside is that it's not very popular. If you send this to someone else 
they will have to go through the bother of finding, downloading and installing 
an app to uncompressed it. Pretty much everyone can handle a zip file without 
much trouble.

As with all compression, the results are also based on what you are 
compressing. Text, which has lots of repeating patterns, compresses really 
well. Binary files such as audio, video and images might not compress at all.

CB


On 3/25/15 7:38 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
now that SArchiver’s gone down the tubes? what’s the best archiving utility for 
the mac? i wanna be able to compress files as small as humanly possible, but 
still retain quality. thanks for any info!

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Re: Terminal command to concatenate all files in a folder

[Todor Fassl]

You can do what you asked with the cat command:

cat file*.rtf  bigfile.rtf

I am not sure that will give you  a valid rtf file though. Each rtf file 
is going to have header and footer info and the concatenation of all of 
them might not be valid. You might be able to use the cat command to 
concatenate all the files, open the resulting file with textedit and 
then save it wiping out the redundant header/footer info.  Maybe.


On 03/26/2015 08:35 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

I have a folder containing around 120 .rtf files and I want to concatenate them 
into one large file. They are sorted and listed in the order in which I wish to 
have them joined together. I know I could do this one at a time by some such 
command as file1+file2+file3, etc.
Is there a one-shot command that will join them all together?



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Re: best compression utility for the mac

[Todor Fassl]

There are theoretical limits to the amount of compression you can get 
without loss of information although different compression algorithms 
would work better or worse depending on the stuff you are compressing.  
The OP said he wanted his stuff compressed as small as humanly possible 
but that would depend on his stuff. But zip, which is part of Mac OS,has 
a parameter for whether you want more speed or more compression. I doubt 
any other utility can do a lot better than zip. Like I said, there are 
theoretical limits to how much compression you can get so I doubt you'll 
get more than a few percent smaller files with some other tool.


Note: If you try to compress an already compressed file, like an mp3, it 
will probably get bigger.


On 03/26/2015 10:26 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I compressed my copy of Keynote, which is really made up of thousands 
of files under the hood totaling 611,951,069 bytes (692.5 MB). To test 
unix compress I did


tar -zcvf test.gz /Applications/Keynote.app/

which generated a compressed file of 428,440,218 bytes (428.4MB) or 
about 61.9% of the original file size. Doing the same thing through 
the finder I selected Keynote and then chose Compress from the File 
menu. That generated a zip file of 453,379,578 butes (453.4 MB) or 
65.5%. Just for the fun of it I also tried doing a 7-Zip. Downloaded a 
7-Zip app for OSX from here:


http://www.updatestar.com/directdownload/7zx/2188433

which generated a .7z file of 375,098,819 bytes (375.1MB) or about 
54%. So it looks like 7-zip is the smallest (11% smaller than plain 
zip in my test) but the downside is that it's not very popular. If you 
send this to someone else they will have to go through the bother of 
finding, downloading and installing an app to uncompressed it. Pretty 
much everyone can handle a zip file without much trouble.


As with all compression, the results are also based on what you are 
compressing. Text, which has lots of repeating patterns, compresses 
really well. Binary files such as audio, video and images might not 
compress at all.


CB

On 3/25/15 7:38 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
now that SArchiver’s gone down the tubes? what’s the best archiving 
utility for the mac? i wanna be able to compress files as small as 
humanly possible, but still retain quality. thanks for any info!






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Re: Terminal command to concatenate all files in a folder

[Todor Fassl]

I'm not sure what you mean by  wanting to merge those files into a 
folder. Your original question was how to merge many files into one big 
file.  That's why I said, You can do what you asked But that might not 
be what you want.


Most likely, if you just want to listen to a book that came to you as a 
zip file, yu probably want to unzip it at the command line and then 
browse to it in File Browser.


Anyway, yes, the command I gave works to concatenate files of all types. 
But you will get the same problem with many file types as I spoke of 
with rtf. The files will have header and footer information and simply 
concatenating them at the command line will give you a broken file. 
Plain text files will definitely work. So will mp3 files surprisingly. 
So you can do the following and it will probably work:


cat file*.mp3  bigfile.mp3

On 03/26/2015 10:21 AM, Pamela Francis wrote:

Hi,
Can you do the same thing with a straight text file? Or a downloaded audio 
file? I have an audio file of a book that was separated by chapter. It came to 
me as a zip file. Can I somehow merge those files into a folder to save to my 
desktop? I need to use this book in order to study for some advancement in my 
job.

Pam Francis

On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:

You can do what you asked with the cat command:

cat file*.rtf  bigfile.rtf

I am not sure that will give you  a valid rtf file though. Each rtf file is 
going to have header and footer info and the concatenation of all of them might 
not be valid. You might be able to use the cat command to concatenate all the 
files, open the resulting file with textedit and then save it wiping out the 
redundant header/footer info.  Maybe.


On 03/26/2015 08:35 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
I have a folder containing around 120 .rtf files and I want to concatenate them 
into one large file. They are sorted and listed in the order in which I wish to 
have them joined together. I know I could do this one at a time by some such 
command as file1+file2+file3, etc.
Is there a one-shot command that will join them all together?


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integrated programming environment

[Todor Fassl]

I am a programmer, mostly php, perl, and bash. I'd like to try to use my 
Mac as a development machine to write the code. Any suggestions for a 
text editor to use to write code? Right now, I mostly use gedit on linux.


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somewhat OT: bookshare submissions

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I am scanning in the Dungeons  Dragons fifth edition Players Handbook 
for submission to bookshare.org. The instructions on their web site 
provide information on how to use Microsoft products. Honestly, I can't 
tell you which Windows programs they say to use because I don't have a 
Windows machine and I really didn't listen that closely. I did note 
though that they wanted the submission in RTF format.


Does anyone have experience submitting books to bookshare which were 
created on a Mac? Which tools did you use? Any tips and hints would be 
appreciated.



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Re: GarageBand

[Todor Fassl]

Slightly off topic. But here is a link to a program I help to develop 
that takes a set of mp3 files and generates a podcast feed xml document 
from them. It works on my IBook Pro.


http://www.iavit.org/~john/elpoddo/

You can actually run it on your Mac and copy the xml document and the 
mp3 files to where ever they will be downloaded from. In other words, 
you don't have to run it on the podcast server itself. I'd be willing to 
help with that.





On 12/29/2014 06:52 AM, Scott Berry wrote:


I think I am going to do podcasts and put them up on Apple Viz.  I still need 
to talk with the Apple Viz team yet to be sure it’s okay to put those up.



On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Scott,

Reading the garageband messages with great interest, I was just thinking about 
possibilities to extend my knowledge, so yes, I’d like to participate in a 
voice chat, if possible. I am in gmt plus 1.

Kind Regards,
Paul.

On 24 Dec 2014, at 02:54, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

Well if we are starting to requests on how to use Garage Band let’s see how 
many people would like to learn it.  Then we can do a voice chat some where.  
So I have two people so far who want to learn do we have more people who would 
like to learn?



On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:

I'd like to know how to use it as well.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.



On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:36 PM, ernest mccullough ernest.mccullo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.

On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use it 
for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain how to 
do is stretch my loops.



On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough ernest.mccullo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.


On 12/23/14, Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com wrote:
Hi,
Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
on it for school.
Thanks

On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
ernest.mccullo...@gmail.com wrote:

I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
heavy into word processing.


On 12/23/14, Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com wrote:
Hi,
I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
versions
behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
on
VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
are
reduced.
HTH

On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
ernest.mccullo...@gmail.com wrote:

I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.


On 12/23/14, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
to
tell
you.
Maybe you might consider upgrading?


On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
ernest.mccullo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

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What about Amazon Prime? (was: Netflix and Hulu plus: opinions?)

[Todor Fassl]

Anybody have any experience with Amazon Prime? I have an ancient Mac 
Minii, still running Mountain Lion, a new IBook Pro, and an IPhone. How 
is  the Amazon Prime acccess?




On 12/26/2014 09:29 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Both services are accessible on the Apple TV. We have accounts for both.
My husband uses them. I have lately started using both, and they are
both fully accessible so far as I can tell. Netflix on iOS, I do not
find accessible at all. Or I should say very limited. Very frustrating.
It used to work better, with a workaround. But these days, I can't get
it to work for love or money.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:


Okay.  That's interesting.  Anyone here have it from an Apple TV point
of view?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Jamie Tachiyama jathlet...@gmail.com
mailto:jathlet...@gmail.com wrote:

The latest version of Hulu+ is not very accessible. Netflix is still
pretty consistent as far as accessibility goes.
This is from an IOS point of view.


Jamie T
Blind Dragon Hobbies
One stop shopping for all your gaming needs.
http://www.blinddragonhobbies.com/
Twitter: @BDHobbies
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/blinddragonhobbies


On Dec 26, 2014, at 4:45 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:


Subject line just about says it all. I'm contemplating Netflix and
Hulu plus for 2015, however, I am unaware of most of the
differences. Well I'm sure I could look up most of the common
differences online, what are very particularly want to know, is with
respect to the accessibility of both services as relates to Apple TV.


With respect to accessibility, therefore, which is better: Hulu
plus, or Netflix? I imagine that there will be some differences,
but, I really don't know for sure. They both seem to be priced the
same per month: $7.95, however, I would like to know what other
thoughts of you buddy may have asked of the differences between the
two services.




Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my iPhone,
the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in

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Re: Greyhound app

[Todor Fassl]

Even sighted people complain about the Greyhound web site.



On 12/18/2014 08:06 AM, Scott Berry wrote:

It’s a blanket nuisance Eric.  I have tried it and you just see this
screen of insanity with nothing on it.  It’s kinda wild.  Goes to show
that the company who Greyhound outsourced didn’t have any ideas about
accessibility or they simply were not told to make the app accessible.



On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:58 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

Hmm,  Maybe the canada site is different from the US site.  It's not
my favourite in the world, but I used to book tickets all the time
when I was the ebony consultant.  Was there a particular spot where
people run into trouble, or is it just a blanket nucence?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf



On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:


Has anybody tried the Greyhound IOS app? Their web site is so hard to
deal with I thought I'd try their app. But when I run it, it just
says login view no matter what I do. I have tried tapping around
the screen and  all voiceover says is login view. I even tried a
bluetooth keyboard. It seems as if there are no accessible controls
anywhere on the screen. How is that even possible? I'm guessing it
wants me to login or to create a login but there'd have to be a text
entry field on the screen for that.


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Re: Greyhound app

[Todor Fassl]

I don't need help with the Greyhound web site.  I was just hoping the 
IOS app would be easier to use.





On 12/18/2014 07:58 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hmm,  Maybe the canada site is different from the US site.  It's not my
favourite in the world, but I used to book tickets all the time when I
was the ebony consultant.  Was there a particular spot where people run
into trouble, or is it just a blanket nucence?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf



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mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:


Has anybody tried the Greyhound IOS app? Their web site is so hard to
deal with I thought I'd try their app. But when I run it, it just says
login view no matter what I do. I have tried tapping around the
screen and  all voiceover says is login view. I even tried a
bluetooth keyboard. It seems as if there are no accessible controls
anywhere on the screen. How is that even possible? I'm guessing it
wants me to login or to create a login but there'd have to be a text
entry field on the screen for that.


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Greyhound app

[Todor Fassl]

Has anybody tried the Greyhound IOS app? Their web site is so hard to 
deal with I thought I'd try their app. But when I run it, it just says 
login view no matter what I do. I have tried tapping around the screen 
and  all voiceover says is login view. I even tried a bluetooth 
keyboard. It seems as if there are no accessible controls anywhere on 
the screen. How is that even possible? I'm guessing it wants me to login 
or to create a login but there'd have to be a text entry field on the 
screen for that.



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Re: Request for resources

[Todor Fassl]

Actually, the command line versus cut/paste issue is as controversial as 
ever.  I would say that in linux, I still do 90% of my file management 
at the command line.


If you open a terminal window on a Mac, you get the bash shell. This is 
important in that it gives you something called file name completion. 
All you need to do is type the first letter of a file name and press 
tab. Basht will fill in as much as it can. If the file name is unique, 
it will fill in the whole thing. So if you have a hundred filesnamed 
file0.txt, file1.txt, file2.txt, ... file99.txt, you can just press f 
and tab and it will fill in the ile part. You can then type 99 and press 
tab again and it will fill in the .txt part.  So it goes pretty fast 
especially with long file names.



On 12/16/2014 02:08 AM, BobH. wrote:

Ah yes, the old days;  file management before the advent of xTree really was
something else, when you had to type Copy rather than press a key,  and
spell out the very full filename and then the very full folder name you want
to copy it to, and even then add /switches if you wanted additional
features.  Bet not even Unix/Linux users do all that any more.


My Mac Mini hasn't been on in a while, which is a pity since I just move
things around so it is finally on my desk next to this one. Even got a
classic Apple keyboard for it last week.

RobH.
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Request for resources


Hi there
It is not an easy switch for blind users, and it took me about two weeks to
get used to my computer. But then, I have been using computers for years. I
was using computers long before they really had people to do any training
with them. So good luck to you on learning your new systemThe thing I had
the hardest trouble with was file management. Once I learned that one, I was
good.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Bobby Druesedow bo...@druesedow.com wrote:

Hello:

I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I
have always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if
there are any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn
how to best work with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a
challenge for me so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
In line

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Re: Request for resources

[Todor Fassl]

I don't know about cut. But perl is on your Mac. And you can install 
additional perl modules from CPAN like you would in linux or solaris.


If you've got perl, you can do anything at the command line.

PS: Terminal is in the utilities folder. Press command+u in finder.

On 12/16/2014 10:40 AM, BobH. wrote:

I like the sound of it,  so need to find where this terminal is next;  and
maybe try remember some of the other basic  commands like LS, and all the
more useful switches.

Do the old dicing and slicing utilities still exist in this OS, cut and uniq
are the only ones I remember now, but you could do quite a lot of text file
processing out of a script at one time.

Thanks, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Request for resources


Actually, the command line versus cut/paste issue is as controversial as
ever.  I would say that in linux, I still do 90% of my file management
at the command line.

If you open a terminal window on a Mac, you get the bash shell. This is
important in that it gives you something called file name completion.
All you need to do is type the first letter of a file name and press
tab. Basht will fill in as much as it can. If the file name is unique,
it will fill in the whole thing. So if you have a hundred filesnamed
file0.txt, file1.txt, file2.txt, ... file99.txt, you can just press f
and tab and it will fill in the ile part. You can then type 99 and press
tab again and it will fill in the .txt part.  So it goes pretty fast
especially with long file names.


On 12/16/2014 02:08 AM, BobH. wrote:

Ah yes, the old days;  file management before the advent of xTree really
was
something else, when you had to type Copy rather than press a key,  and
spell out the very full filename and then the very full folder name you
want
to copy it to, and even then add /switches if you wanted additional
features.  Bet not even Unix/Linux users do all that any more.


My Mac Mini hasn't been on in a while, which is a pity since I just move
things around so it is finally on my desk next to this one. Even got a
classic Apple keyboard for it last week.

RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Request for resources


Hi there
It is not an easy switch for blind users, and it took me about two weeks
to
get used to my computer. But then, I have been using computers for years.
I
was using computers long before they really had people to do any training
with them. So good luck to you on learning your new systemThe thing I had
the hardest trouble with was file management. Once I learned that one, I
was
good.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Bobby Druesedow bo...@druesedow.com wrote:

Hello:

I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I
have always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if
there are any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn
how to best work with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a
challenge for me so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
In line

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Re: Growls! My ntfs discs aren't working.

[Todor Fassl]

I doubt the problem is related to the machine being turned off for an 
extended period of time. I suspect the problems are the result of the 
Windows machine being rebooted or that there were changes in your 
network during the interim.




On 12/15/2014 08:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi all,  Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

I left my ntfs file server tower in storage for a few months.  It was
working fine when I packed it up,.  Not so much now.  Windows will see
the drives in a virtual machine, but the mac won't mount them.  They are
tuexera ntfs drives on the mac side.

Should I try a repare with checkdisc?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf



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Re: Seeing other macs on the network

[Todor Fassl]

The basic answer is that other computers have to be listening for 
connections for you to  talk to them.


Here is a link to an Apple knowledgebase article about finding other 
computers on the network:

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH10644

And here is a link to an article about enabling file sharing:
http://support.apple.com/en-us/ht1549



On 12/02/2014 05:08 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

Why can’t I see all the other computers on my home networks?  When I launch the 
finder, I can’t see all the other computers on my network.  They are used by 
different people but I think I ought to be able to see them in the sidebar.

Also, in the sidebar of my finder I can see an item “remote disk” but it is 
empty.  What is it?

Many thanks

Andrew



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Re: Navigon for IOS

[Todor Fassl]

I don't think navigon will spontaneously announce which streets are 
nearby. But if you select the More tab at the bottom and then click on 
Direct Help, it will display informationabout  where the nearest 
intersection is.  You can tap it to get voiceover to read it but 
voiceover won't automatically read it when it changes. In other words, 
what you have to do is keep tapping that field to get voiceover to read 
it. To me that wasn't a huge problem.


By the way, you can also rearrange the tabs and menus in Navigon. I put 
a link to direct help in the menu at the bottom of the screen so that I 
could easily get to the direct help tab when I was using navigon.


I haven't used navigon much lately though. I have found that a 
combination of Siri and the apple map app works better for me. You can 
ask siri, Where am I, and most of the time get a pretty good answer.






On 11/30/2014 12:37 PM, Faisal ali wrote:

Hi all,

I purchased Navigon the other day and just love the heck out of it. I
just had a couple of questions:

When I’m in the car, I like to know what street I’m travelling on and
what intersections are coming up. Is there a mode that I can set Navigon
to which will announce these?

Also, if I want to plot directions from one city to another, can I do
this? For instance, I’m trying to plot directions from San diego to West
Hollywood but I live in Seattle and the only way to plot directions from
what I’m seeing is from your current location to a specified address.

Thanks in advance:

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Re: Finder Podcast Part 1

[Todor Fassl]

I've already tried it on my Mac and it works. It does not use lltag, it 
uses a perl module called MP3::Info. And it is fairly easy to install 
perl modules on a Mac.  Give me a day or two to clean it up and I'll 
email it to you with installation instructions. I am about as sure as I 
can be that it generates valid ITunes rss feeds because I've checked the 
xml file versus two different validators. However, I'll admit I didn't 
know the first thing about creating podcasts when I started and I've 
never submitted a podcast to Apple. But I'd be willing to work with you 
to fix any problems if I can.


On 11/28/2014 04:27 PM, David Griffith wrote:

By all means if it does not involve you in too much effort.  I am starting to 
submit via Apple Vis but a workable way of posting podcasts independently would 
be a very worthwhile project.
If I ever get my head completely around it I will probably do a Podcast on it!

David Griffith

On 28 Nov 2014, at 17:05, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:

Would you like me to see if my perl script will port toMac OS? It uses a open 
source program called lltag to read the tags in the mp3 file and then it builds 
a podcast xml from those tags. I downloaded the mp3 that Robert Cole just 
posted and it has most of the appropriate tags.  I may be able to find a tool 
in Mac OS that works like lltag. There might even be a Mac version of lltag.





On 11/27/2014 06:21 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Unfortunately  I do not have a Linux setup.
I have tried researching setting up a Podcast feed and it seems that
eater you do it by hand coding which seems a considerable learning curve
or you have to pay for services or apps which simplify the process. It
is not obvious if these clients are accessible.
I do not mind shelling out for a one off app but would  am hesitant
about paying out  for an ongoing service.
Does anybody know of accessible Podcast Feed creation clients that are
free or low cost and similar web hosting services that are also free or
low cost?

I suppose an option would be just to see if Apple Vis would be
interested in hosting the podcasts.

David Griffith

On 26 Nov 2014, at 14:04, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:


I have a linux script that I can use to create a podcast from a set of
mp3 files. I can also provide download space. Anyone interested should
contact me off list.



On 11/25/2014 12:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

These audio presentations do sound very useful, but yes, they are not
podcasts at the moment. A podcast isn't simply putting up an audio file
for download. A podcast consists of an RSS feed one can subscribe to in
a podcatcher such as Downcast.
Would be great to see these files turned into a real podcast feed as I'm
sure they're helpful to people and would then be easier to access.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 25/11/2014, at 1:52 am, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com
mailto:steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

Your link is broken!

When I read your message about Part 1 of your Finder podcast, I hit
VO-space on the link to your episode and that takes me to Safari but
the page never fills. I just get an empty HTML page and interaction is
impossible.
Any way you might use an rss feed with audio enclosures instead of
stupid send space? files expire on sendspace quite soon.

Just my thoughts and observations.


On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:31 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com
mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/ceacsz





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Re: Finder Podcast Part 1

[Todor Fassl]

Would you like me to see if my perl script will port toMac OS? It uses a 
open source program called lltag to read the tags in the mp3 file and 
then it builds a podcast xml from those tags. I downloaded the mp3 that 
Robert Cole just posted and it has most of the appropriate tags.  I may 
be able to find a tool in Mac OS that works like lltag. There might even 
be a Mac version of lltag.






On 11/27/2014 06:21 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Unfortunately  I do not have a Linux setup.
I have tried researching setting up a Podcast feed and it seems that
eater you do it by hand coding which seems a considerable learning curve
or you have to pay for services or apps which simplify the process. It
is not obvious if these clients are accessible.
I do not mind shelling out for a one off app but would  am hesitant
about paying out  for an ongoing service.
Does anybody know of accessible Podcast Feed creation clients that are
free or low cost and similar web hosting services that are also free or
low cost?

I suppose an option would be just to see if Apple Vis would be
interested in hosting the podcasts.

David Griffith

On 26 Nov 2014, at 14:04, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:


I have a linux script that I can use to create a podcast from a set of
mp3 files. I can also provide download space. Anyone interested should
contact me off list.



On 11/25/2014 12:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

These audio presentations do sound very useful, but yes, they are not
podcasts at the moment. A podcast isn't simply putting up an audio file
for download. A podcast consists of an RSS feed one can subscribe to in
a podcatcher such as Downcast.
Would be great to see these files turned into a real podcast feed as I'm
sure they're helpful to people and would then be easier to access.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 25/11/2014, at 1:52 am, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com
mailto:steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

Your link is broken!

When I read your message about Part 1 of your Finder podcast, I hit
VO-space on the link to your episode and that takes me to Safari but
the page never fills. I just get an empty HTML page and interaction is
impossible.
Any way you might use an rss feed with audio enclosures instead of
stupid send space? files expire on sendspace quite soon.

Just my thoughts and observations.


On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:31 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com
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https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/ceacsz





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Re: Finder Podcast Part 1

[Todor Fassl]

I have a linux script that I can use to create a podcast from a set of 
mp3 files. I can also provide download space. Anyone interested should 
contact me off list.




On 11/25/2014 12:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

These audio presentations do sound very useful, but yes, they are not
podcasts at the moment. A podcast isn't simply putting up an audio file
for download. A podcast consists of an RSS feed one can subscribe to in
a podcatcher such as Downcast.
Would be great to see these files turned into a real podcast feed as I'm
sure they're helpful to people and would then be easier to access.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 25/11/2014, at 1:52 am, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com
mailto:steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

Your link is broken!

When I read your message about Part 1 of your Finder podcast, I hit
VO-space on the link to your episode and that takes me to Safari but
the page never fills. I just get an empty HTML page and interaction is
impossible.
Any way you might use an rss feed with audio enclosures instead of
stupid send space? files expire on sendspace quite soon.

Just my thoughts and observations.


On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:31 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
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https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/ceacsz





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