Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
gt;>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse >>>>>>>> pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad >>>>>>>> period, what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss >>>>>>>> understanding? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kliphton >>>>>>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>>>>>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in >>>>>>>> the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, >>>>>>>> they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, >>>>>>>> then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse >>>>>>>> pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad >>>>>>>> once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 >>>>>>>> key, which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something >>>>>>>> different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using >>>>>>>> this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse >>>>>>>> or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HtH, >>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Teresa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Debbie >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled >>>>>>>>> and with >>>>>>>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>>>>>>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an >>>>>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionarie
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
t;>>> the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, >>>>>>> they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, >>>>>>> then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse >>>>>>> pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad >>>>>>> once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, >>>>>>> which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something >>>>>>> different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using >>>>>>> this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or >>>>>>> the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HtH, >>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Teresa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Debbie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled >>>>>>>> and with >>>>>>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>>>>>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
I got it turned off permanently, but it takes some intuitive action with whatever mouse manipulation is your preferred one. I use mouse keys, because they’re independent of VO, and I can be assured that I track straight. Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > No, this is not the case. The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview > Pane is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it will > be applied to both views. Some folks here have had problems with it sticking > but I have not. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > >> So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with >> Mavericks Mail now? >> >> If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain >> Lion. >> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall >> wrote: >> >>> hey, >>> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay >>> with it myself. >>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>> >>>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If >>>> you close your message view window after making the change to eliminate >>>> the preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is >>>> back. At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only >>>> way to make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, >>>> because I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view. >>>> -- >>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >>>>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >>>>> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but >>>>> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >>>>> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >>>>> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >>>>> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >>>>> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key >>>>> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the >>>>> horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can >>>>> switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >>>>> >>>>> HtH, >>>>> Teresa >>>>> >>>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse >>>>>> pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, >>>>>> what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kliphton >>>>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>>>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in >>>>>> the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, >>>>>> they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, >>>>>> then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer >>>>>> on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and >>>>>> this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which >>>>>> moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I >>>>>> release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, >>>>>> because I don’t track st
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi, No, this is not the case. The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview Pane is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it will be applied to both views. Some folks here have had problems with it sticking but I have not. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with > Mavericks Mail now? > > If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion. > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall > wrote: > >> hey, >> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay >> with it myself. >> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> >>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you >>> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the >>> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. >>> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to >>> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because >>> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view. >>> -- >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >>>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >>>> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but >>>> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >>>> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >>>> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >>>> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >>>> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key >>>> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal >>>> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to >>>> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >>>> >>>> HtH, >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>>> >>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse >>>>> pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, >>>>> what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kliphton >>>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >>>>> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >>>>> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then >>>>> move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on >>>>> the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this >>>>> locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the >>>>> mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the >>>>> mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t >>>>> track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way >>>>> ensures that I do. >>>>> >>>>> HtH, >>>>> Teresa >>>>> >>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Teresa >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>>>> >>>>>> Debbie >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>&g
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi I read about one person that decided to run Mountain Lion in Virtual Machine. First of all for the option to run Mail in Mountain Lion and cmd + tab back to Maverick. He was waiting for theese gmail bugs to be fixed. Many sighted people have problems with gmail in Maverick too and reports theese bugs to Apple. Take care 29. okt. 2013 kl. 04:13 skrev Steve Holmes : > So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with > Mavericks Mail now? > > If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion. > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall > wrote: > >> hey, >> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay >> with it myself. >> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> >>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you >>> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the >>> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. >>> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to >>> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because >>> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view. >>> -- >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >>>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >>>> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but >>>> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >>>> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >>>> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >>>> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >>>> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key >>>> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal >>>> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to >>>> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >>>> >>>> HtH, >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>>> >>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse >>>>> pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, >>>>> what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kliphton >>>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >>>>> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >>>>> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then >>>>> move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on >>>>> the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this >>>>> locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the >>>>> mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the >>>>> mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t >>>>> track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way >>>>> ensures that I do. >>>>> >>>>> HtH, >>>>> Teresa >>>>> >>>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Teresa >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>>>> >>>>>> Debbie >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Mes
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with Mavericks Mail now? If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion. On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall wrote: > hey, > i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay > with it myself. > On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you >> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the >> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. >> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to >> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because >> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view. >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >> >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >>> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but >>> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >>> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >>> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >>> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >>> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key >>> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal >>> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to >>> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >>> >>> HtH, >>> Teresa >>> >>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse >>>> pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, >>>> what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>>> >>>> >>>> Kliphton >>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >>>> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >>>> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then >>>> move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the >>>> horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks >>>> the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse >>>> to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse >>>> key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track >>>> straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures >>>> that I do. >>>> >>>> HtH, >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Teresa >>>>> >>>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>>> >>>>> Debbie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>>>> >>>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and >>>>> with >>>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >>>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >&
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
hey, i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay with it myself. On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan wrote: > While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you > close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the > preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. > At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to make > the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because I’ve > kinda gotten to like modern view. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran > wrote: > >> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t >> interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key on >> the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal >> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to >> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >> >> HtH, >> Teresa >> >> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >> wrote: >> >>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse pointer >>> where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, what key do >>> you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>> >>> >>> Kliphton >>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>> wrote: >>> >>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >>> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >>> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move >>> to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the >>> horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks >>> the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to >>> the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key >>> with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track >>> straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures >>> that I do. >>> >>> HtH, >>> Teresa >>> >>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Teresa >>>> >>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>>> >>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and >>>> with >>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit t
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Yes, Buddy, just found that out. Ah, well. Full circle for me. It was a fun experiment, though. Teresa On the other hand, there are different fingers. On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you > close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the > preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. > At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to make > the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because I’ve > kinda gotten to like modern view. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran > wrote: > >> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for >> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You >> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t >> interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal >> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the >> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and >> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus >> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key on >> the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal >> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to >> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. >> >> HtH, >> Teresa >> >> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- >> wrote: >> >>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse pointer >>> where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, what key do >>> you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >>> >>> >>> Kliphton >>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >>> wrote: >>> >>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >>> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >>> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move >>> to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the >>> horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks >>> the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to >>> the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key >>> with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track >>> straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures >>> that I do. >>> >>> HtH, >>> Teresa >>> >>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Teresa >>>> >>>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>>> >>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and >>>> with >>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for Mail. > Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You can use > vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t interact > with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal splitter. Press > control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the zero/insert key on the > numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and hold the six/right-arrow > key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus changing. this can take several > seconds. Then press the period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. > Double-check to be sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At > this point, you can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you > wish. > > HtH, > Teresa > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- > wrote: > >> Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse pointer >> where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, what key do >> you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? >> >> >> Kliphton >> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com >> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" >> wrote: >> >> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the >> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they >> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move >> to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the >> horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks >> the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to >> the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key >> with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight >> with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. >> >> HtH, >> Teresa >> >> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >> >> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Teresa >>> >>> How do you disable the preview pane? >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >>> >>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with >>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at ht
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you wish. HtH, Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- wrote: > Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse pointer > where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, what key do > you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? > > > Kliphton > (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com > (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" > wrote: > > I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the > accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they > actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move > to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the > horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks the > mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to the > right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key with > numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight with > a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. > > HtH, > Teresa > > "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille > wrote: > >> Hi Teresa >> >> How do you disable the preview pane? >> >> Debbie >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail >> >> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with >> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without >> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >> >> Teresa >> >> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvision
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi, Nic, Done that. It’s full now! :) I often grab something out of the trash when I think of something to add to a thread. Mostly, I was referring to moving between the message list and mailboxes. Since i now only have the two panes set up, and I can just press return when I want to read a message in greater detail, this minimizes the keystrokes and navigation within the window. Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: > As for moving between mailboxes, can't you add your nine most frequently > accessed mailboxes to the favourites bar and then switch between them with > command-1 through 9? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Looks like I still have a lot to learn. How do you place the mouse pointer where you want it. Also, when you say you push numpad period, what key do you push on the numpad? Or maybe I am miss understanding? Kliphton (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" wrote: I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. HtH, Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille > wrote: > > Hi Teresa > > How do you disable the preview pane? > > Debbie > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran > Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail > > As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with > five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than > five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without > having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) > > Teresa > > "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
As for moving between mailboxes, can't you add your nine most frequently accessed mailboxes to the favourites bar and then switch between them with command-1 through 9? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do. HtH, Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille wrote: > Hi Teresa > > How do you disable the preview pane? > > Debbie > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran > Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail > > As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with > five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than > five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without > having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) > > Teresa > > "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi Teresa How do you disable the preview pane? Debbie -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi, Mary, This is in modern view. Classic view doesn’t have the preview text for messages. When I was playing with classic view, VO would say “conversation collapsed” or “expanded” but not the number of messages in the conversation. While this was helpful, I found that I missed the text preview within a couple of minutes of reading email this way. teresa On the other hand, there are different fingers. On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Teresa, > With five lines in preview and the preview pane disabled, is that in classic > view or standard view? I just upgraded to Mountain lion, and stuck with > classic view, but I also have conversations enabled. I never hear it say how > many messages are in a thread or even that there is a thread. I suppose > that's because I'm still in classic view. I have to go over to where the > triangle is that can be expanded and then I see the rest of the messages. But > I've always used VO J in classic view. So I'm just trying to figure things > out. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Teresa Cochran > wrote: > >> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with >> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than >> five lines. It’s almost like having the preview pane available without >> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) >> >> Teresa >> >> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi Teresa, With five lines in preview and the preview pane disabled, is that in classic view or standard view? I just upgraded to Mountain lion, and stuck with classic view, but I also have conversations enabled. I never hear it say how many messages are in a thread or even that there is a thread. I suppose that's because I'm still in classic view. I have to go over to where the triangle is that can be expanded and then I see the rest of the messages. But I've always used VO J in classic view. So I'm just trying to figure things out. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with > five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than > five lines. It’s almost like having the preview pane available without having > to switch to it. pretty cool. :) > > Teresa > > "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than five lines. It’s almost like having the preview pane available without having to switch to it. pretty cool. :) Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hi, Instead of tab you can also use the jump to next/previous table command VO command T. This is what I used in Mountain Lion when I couldn’t get tab to work for the life of me. haha. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Yeah, Ricardo, I think I’m leaning in that direction. I’m trying with the > preview pane off, so I can tab between mailbox lists and message tables more > efficiently. I’d forgotten that there’s an accessibility option, control-f-7, > that changes how the tab key works. One mode tabs between toolbar items in > addition to everything else, and the other mode tabs between items in the > main window. Anyway, I have that set now, and things are working quite well. > > Teresa > > "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> I know How you feel. lol. >> >> I ultimately stuck with the standard view because I’ve grown so accustom to >> the preview. 75% of the time, I don’t even need to open the message. I >> just find this ultra efficient. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >>> hi, all, >>> >>> I’m in a quandary now. If I enable classic view in Mail and Mavericks, I >>> get columns that can be sorted, and I get a conversation indicator, albeit >>> without a number, which VO announces first, as i assume it’s at the far >>> left. however, I’ve gotten used to previewing messages, so I’m not sure >>> which is the lesser of two evils. I think i’ll just have to play with it >>> some more and see what I like. >>> >>> teresa >>> >>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. >>> Feynman >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Yeah, Ricardo, I think I’m leaning in that direction. I’m trying with the preview pane off, so I can tab between mailbox lists and message tables more efficiently. I’d forgotten that there’s an accessibility option, control-f-7, that changes how the tab key works. One mode tabs between toolbar items in addition to everything else, and the other mode tabs between items in the main window. Anyway, I have that set now, and things are working quite well. Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham On Oct 26, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > I know How you feel. lol. > > I ultimately stuck with the standard view because I’ve grown so accustom to > the preview. 75% of the time, I don’t even need to open the message. I just > find this ultra efficient. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Teresa Cochran > wrote: > >> hi, all, >> >> I’m in a quandary now. If I enable classic view in Mail and Mavericks, I get >> columns that can be sorted, and I get a conversation indicator, albeit >> without a number, which VO announces first, as i assume it’s at the far >> left. however, I’ve gotten used to previewing messages, so I’m not sure >> which is the lesser of two evils. I think i’ll just have to play with it >> some more and see what I like. >> >> teresa >> >> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. >> Feynman >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
I know How you feel. lol. I ultimately stuck with the standard view because I’ve grown so accustom to the preview. 75% of the time, I don’t even need to open the message. I just find this ultra efficient. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > hi, all, > > I’m in a quandary now. If I enable classic view in Mail and Mavericks, I get > columns that can be sorted, and I get a conversation indicator, albeit > without a number, which VO announces first, as i assume it’s at the far left. > however, I’ve gotten used to previewing messages, so I’m not sure which is > the lesser of two evils. I think i’ll just have to play with it some more and > see what I like. > > teresa > > "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. > Feynman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
Hello Teresa, I’ve always preferred classic view with the preview pane turned off. That way, I can decide not to read a message until later and it stays marked as unread. In Mavericks, Mail is rather more verbose than it was, so after pressing Return to open a message, I press VO-End to skip all the “embedded” garbage and get straight into the text of the message. Attachments show up as embedded items on which I can get a contextual menu and as you point out, I can sort the columns as I wish. Cheers, Anne On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:03, Teresa Cochran wrote: > hi, all, > > I’m in a quandary now. If I enable classic view in Mail and Mavericks, I get > columns that can be sorted, and I get a conversation indicator, albeit > without a number, which VO announces first, as i assume it’s at the far left. > however, I’ve gotten used to previewing messages, so I’m not sure which is > the lesser of two evils. I think i’ll just have to play with it some more and > see what I like. > > teresa > > "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. > Feynman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Classic Versus Current view in Mail
hi, all, I’m in a quandary now. If I enable classic view in Mail and Mavericks, I get columns that can be sorted, and I get a conversation indicator, albeit without a number, which VO announces first, as i assume it’s at the far left. however, I’ve gotten used to previewing messages, so I’m not sure which is the lesser of two evils. I think i’ll just have to play with it some more and see what I like. teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
