Re: New Mac User

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

That would be me. To do this:
• When you open the Mail app, you should be in the Messages table.
• Interact with that table. You should then be on a message in that table
• Now, interact with that message. If you aren’t on one, Voiceover + Right 
arrow until you are.
• Now, you should hear “unread” or from whom the message is sent. Right arrow 
until you hear the subject spoken; it is passed the time it was sent.
• Now, you can just use Down Arrow to navigate between messages, Delete to 
delete them, (delete is where backspace is on other computers,) or Return to 
open it.
• Note also that you can navigate by sender, or even receive time if you want. 
I navigate by sender in the “Junk” folder, for example.

Hope this helps.

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
> subject spoken. Can this be explained?
> 
> Kristeen
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
> Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
> me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
> the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold 
> your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, 
> but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in 
> amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you 
> want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows 
> screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
> controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
> itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto 
> correct is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft 
> wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the 
> future, for general computing, until iPad takes place.  
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
> your advice on this one. Thanks,
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Phil Halton <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
> getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual 
> book of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom 
> most entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
> appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:hemaka...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marie,
>>  
>> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
>> benefited from them.
>>  
>> Warmly,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>< <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
>> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
>> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
>> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
>> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
>> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
>> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
>> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>  
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
>> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
>> Apple Vis. Today I a

Re: New Mac User

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
subject spoken. Can this be explained?

Kristeen
On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold your 
hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, but it 
would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in amazing 
ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you want, making 
going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows screen readers. 
Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single controls. One can know 
if an app launches in the background. With the Mac itself, you can have time 
announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct is a joy to use. All this 
could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, 
Mac is the operating system of the future, for general computing, until iPad 
takes place.  

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie" mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 
 
From: Phil Halton <>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
<mailto:hemaka...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>< <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others, 
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them. 
> Petrus 
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries < 
> <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and

Re: New Mac User

[d.prater via MacVisionaries]

  
  
  

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used 
Windows, the Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is 
perfect, but for me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even 
dabbling in code, the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. 
VoiceOver can hold your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just 
like the iPhone, but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver 
can be used in amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing 
more if you want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the 
Windows screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct 
is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it 
hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the future, for general 
computing, until iPad takes place.  



Devin PraterAssistive Technology Instructor

  




On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  wrote:















Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will 
take your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 


 

From: Phil 
Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually 
Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the getting 
started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book of 
chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most entry 
in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has appendices 
for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.



Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha 
 wrote:



  
  
  

  
  

Hi 
  Marie,
  

 
  

I find David 
  Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely benefited from 
  them.
  

 
  

Warmly,
  

Hem.
  

 
  

 
  
  
  

From: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
   On Behalf Of Phil 
  Halton
Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
To: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac 
  User
  

 
  

Marie, don’t forget to plow 
  through the getting started guide. You can find it by pressing the help menu 
  keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at the bottom of the list. 
  You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but try to bring up the 
  table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information about using 
  voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the voiceover help 
  menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there along with 
  questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
  
  
  

Sent from my IPhone
  
  

 
  
  


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 
  PM, Marie  wrote:
  






I listened to 
the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as several 
from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast 
from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.



I have lots 
to learn for sure.



Marie



 





 




From: 
Petrus Tuerlings 



Sent: 
Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM



To: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 



Subject: Re: 
    New Mac User



 



Hi Marie and 
others, 



Welcome to 
the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I may have 
herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well I’ve 
been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I only 
ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 



Petrus 








  
  

On 
  1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
   
  wrote:
  
  

 
  
  
  

I am 
  another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
  joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. 
  We are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not 
  using the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would 
  use text edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be 
  beneficial. This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you 
from 
  other lists  
  
  

I already 
  know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
  windows.

Gail
  
  
  

 
  
  

Sent from 
  Gail’s iPhone
  
  


On Aug 31, 

Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie


From: Phil Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.


Sent from my IPhone


On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:


  Hi Marie,

   

  I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
benefited from them.

   

  Warmly,

  Hem.

   

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
  Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

   

  Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down 
at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, 
but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in 
the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need 
there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

  Sent from my IPhone

   


  On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.

I have lots to learn for sure.

Marie

 

 

From: Petrus Tuerlings 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Hi Marie and others, 

Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? 
I may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. 
I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me 
not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 

Petrus 





  On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   

  I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  

  I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
windows.

  Gail

   

  Sent from Gail’s iPhone


  On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:

  Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.

  Looking forward to the group interaction.

  Marie

   

  From: Dave Carlson 

  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM

  To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

  Subject: Re: New Mac User

   

  Marie, 

  You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

  I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using 
the Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.

  I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit 
apps, and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.

  Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the 
Voiceover Utility and System Preferences.

  And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real 
experts on board.


  Dave Carlson

  Engineer, Pioneer

Re: New Mac User

[Michael Maslo]

David Woodbridge and applevis were and are extremely helpful for me

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 00:18, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, pl

Re: New Mac User

[Phil Halton]

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musi

RE: New Mac User

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Hi Marie,

 

I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
benefited from them.

 

Warmly,

Hem.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

Sent from my IPhone

 


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie mailto:magpie...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.

I have lots to learn for sure.

Marie

 

 

From: Petrus Tuerlings 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Hi Marie and others, 

Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 

Petrus 





On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  

I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

Gail

 

Sent from Gail’s iPhone


On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie mailto:magpie...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one I 
have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am familiar 
with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even do a bit 
of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I believe I have 
the mindset to learn the Mac.

Looking forward to the group interaction.

Marie

 

From: Dave Carlson 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM

To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Marie, 

You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com <http://macfortheblind.com/>  and look at his audio 
tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
<http://appleviz.com/>  (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.

I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.

Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.

And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.


Dave Carlson

Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian

 

 

 

 

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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

No, I have not forgotten and it would be hard since most podcasts for 
beginners, encourages new user to go through it at least once. I started it 
this afternoon and had to interrupt it for now but will probably continue 
tomorrow. So far, some of the tutorials and podcasts actually do a better job 
of explaining some things than the quick start. But I definitely will finish it.
Marie


From: Phil Halton 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.


Sent from my IPhone


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:


  I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
  I have lots to learn for sure.
  Marie


  From: Petrus Tuerlings 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Hi Marie and others, 
  Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
  Petrus 



On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  
I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
windows.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:


Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie

From: Dave Carlson 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, 
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
on board.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[Phil Halton]

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus 
> 
>> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
>> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
>> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
>> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
>> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
>> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
>> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
>> windows.
>> 
>> Gail
>>  
>> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
>> one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
>> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
>> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
>> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
>> Looking forward to the group interaction.
>> Marie
>>  
>> From: Dave Carlson
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Marie,
>> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
>> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
>> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very 
>> well done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done 
>> by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
>> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
>> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
>> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
>> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
>> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
>> comfortable with Contacts.
>> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
>> Utility and System Preferences.
>> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
>> on board.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: New Mac User

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks, but you’ve returned the favour a few times,, I would never have worked 
out that quick nav tip the other day. 
Take care,
Petrus 

> On 1/09/2019, at 8:44 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Well, Petrus. For being a new user, you’ve already provided me with some 
> valuable help, and I appreciate the 6-month lead you have in experience.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
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Well, Petrus. For being a new user, you’ve already provided me with some 
valuable help, and I appreciate the 6-month lead you have in experience.

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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
I have lots to learn for sure.
Marie


From: Petrus Tuerlings 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Hi Marie and others, 
Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
Petrus 



  On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  
  I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

  Gail

  Sent from Gail’s iPhone

  On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:


  Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
  Looking forward to the group interaction.
  Marie

  From: Dave Carlson 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
  To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Marie, 
  You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

  I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
  I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.
  Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
  And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
on board.

  Dave Carlson
  Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Marie and others,
Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
Petrus 

> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
> 
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com <http://macfortheblind.com/> and look at his audio 
> tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
> tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
> tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
> <http://appleviz.com/> (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>  
>  
>  
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Re: New Mac User

['Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries]

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

Gail

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On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is  one 
I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie
 
From: Dave Carlson
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Marie,
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one I 
have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am familiar 
with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even do a bit 
of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I believe I have 
the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie

From: Dave Carlson 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, 
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
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Re: New Mac User

[Dave Carlson]

Marie,
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com  and look at his audio 
tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
 (did I spell that one right?).
I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
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Re: New Mac User

[John Panarese]

   If you give the Mac an honest and complete try, you will find it a pleasure 
to use. I am an “old dog” who learned new tricks in 2005 to switch over, and 
though I will never say it was an easy transition, an open mind and persistence 
paid off. I’d be happy to assist in any way.


Take Care

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> Hi,
> I am just giving the Mac Book Air a try after many years as a PC user. I 
> currently have a loaner 2013 model running Mojave. I have some podcasts which 
> are helping tremendously but some advice and help from more experienced users 
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> Please help.
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New Mac User

[Marie]

Hi,
I am just giving the Mac Book Air a try after many years as a PC user. I 
currently have a loaner 2013 model running Mojave. I have some podcasts which 
are helping tremendously but some advice and help from more experienced users 
will be very much appreciated.
I want to disprove the saying, You can’t teach old dogs new tricks!
Please help.
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Re: new mac user

[Maria Reyes]

Will pages work? 

Maria Reyes
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> On Nov 29, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
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> Thanks Maurice. That's reassuring.
> 
> Warmly,
> Hema.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Maurice Mines
> Sent: 29 November 2018 12:25
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac user
> 
> Good evening, word can produce high-quality documents. If you need a natively 
> done Microsoft Word document it would be advisable and cost-effective for you 
> to use office 365. It is completely compatible with the Mac I use it 
> personally, and I’ve had no problems.
> 
> Although pages does right in word format it is not completely the word 
> format. There are some slight differences. I hope this addresses your 
> question?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Amateur station call, kd0iko.
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:28, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
>> though.
>> 
>> Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully 
>> with MS Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to 
>> produce high quality documents is important for my vocation as a 
>> University teacher. I will be grateful for your suggestions and 
>> comments.
>> 
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>> Hema.
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Re: new mac user

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, Pages, for the most part should work fine.  Sometimes, with more 
complicated formatting, things may not look exactly the same after conversion, 
but for most documents, it would be fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 29, 2018, at 15:32, Maria Reyes  wrote:

Will pages work? 

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> On Nov 29, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Maurice. That's reassuring.
> 
> Warmly,
> Hema.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Maurice Mines
> Sent: 29 November 2018 12:25
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac user
> 
> Good evening, word can produce high-quality documents. If you need a natively 
> done Microsoft Word document it would be advisable and cost-effective for you 
> to use office 365. It is completely compatible with the Mac I use it 
> personally, and I’ve had no problems.
> 
> Although pages does right in word format it is not completely the word 
> format. There are some slight differences. I hope this addresses your 
> question?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Amateur station call, kd0iko.
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:28, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
>> though.
>> 
>> Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully 
>> with MS Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to 
>> produce high quality documents is important for my vocation as a 
>> University teacher. I will be grateful for your suggestions and 
>> comments.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Hema.
>> 
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RE: new mac user

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Thanks Maurice. That's reassuring.

Warmly,
Hema.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Maurice Mines
Sent: 29 November 2018 12:25
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user

Good evening, word can produce high-quality documents. If you need a natively 
done Microsoft Word document it would be advisable and cost-effective for you 
to use office 365. It is completely compatible with the Mac I use it 
personally, and I’ve had no problems.

Although pages does right in word format it is not completely the word format. 
There are some slight differences. I hope this addresses your question?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.
Amateur station call, kd0iko.

On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:28, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
> though.
>
> Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully 
> with MS Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to 
> produce high quality documents is important for my vocation as a 
> University teacher. I will be grateful for your suggestions and 
> comments.
>
> Take care,
> Hema.
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Re: new mac user

[Maurice Mines]

Good evening, word can produce high-quality documents. If you need a 
natively done Microsoft Word document it would be advisable and 
cost-effective for you to use office 365. It is completely compatible 
with the Mac I use it personally, and I’ve had no problems.


Although pages does right in word format it is not completely the word 
format. There are some slight differences. I hope this addresses your 
question?


Sincerely Maurice Mines.
Amateur station call, kd0iko.

On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:28, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:


Dear all,

I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
though.


Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully 
with MS Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to 
produce high quality documents is important for my vocation as a 
University teacher. I will be grateful for your suggestions and 
comments.


Take care,
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RE: new mac user

[Hemachandran Karaha]

What are the things that are accessible in office 365?

It is important for me to collaborate with fellow acaddemics. So accessing 
track changes, and the rest is important. I also like to know whether opening a 
Word document in Pages can negatively impact formatting.

Warmly,
Hema.

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From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: 29 November 2018 00:06
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user

Pages can open and save Word documents, but if it is not compatible enough with 
Word documents, Word in Office 365 is also accessible, although not as 
accessible as Pages is, for me at least 

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> On Nov 28, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
> though. 
> 
> Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully with MS 
> Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to produce high 
> quality documents is important for my vocation as a University teacher. I 
> will be grateful for your suggestions and comments.
> 
> Take care,
> Hema.
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Re: new mac user

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Pages can open and save Word documents, but if it is not compatible enough with 
Word documents, Word in Office 365 is also accessible, although not as 
accessible as Pages is, for me at least 

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> On Nov 28, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years 
> though. 
> 
> Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully with MS 
> Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to produce high 
> quality documents is important for my vocation as a University teacher. I 
> will be grateful for your suggestions and comments.
> 
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new mac user

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Dear all,

I am a new mac user. I have been using Iphone for the last three years though. 

Kindly let me know whether the native pages app is compatible fully with MS 
Wordd. If not, do you advice using Office 365? Capacity to produce high quality 
documents is important for my vocation as a University teacher. I will be 
grateful for your suggestions and comments.

Take care,
Hema.


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Re: new mac user

[Lois Butterfield]

I have ordered the book from National Braille Press in Braille for beginning 
Mac users.  Thank you to whomever posted the link to it.  It is only $12 for 
the Braille copy.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Kawal Gucukoglu

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:47 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: new mac user

If the person is a braille user, he or she may wish to get some braille 
resources.  I believe that Mark Taylor said that one could get this from the 
APH (can't remember if that's the right initials from the American Light 
House for the blind) or one can get this from the Royal National Institute 
of Blind People (RNIB) Uk.


I personally like braille to learn stuff with as I don't get too much done 
if I have to learn from an electronic source.


Kawal.

On 9 May 2017, at 00:07, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com>

In addition to the very good suggestions you have received, there is a 
book, written by Janet Ingber, and published by National Braille Press, 
called Mac Basics For The Beginning User. I think that when somebody is in 
the very beginning of learning how to do something, they need to have some 
type of organized fashion of learning it, rather than just picking it up 
in bits and pieces. At least, it is that way for me, others learn in 
different ways. I am going to paste the link to this book below, in case 
it might be of use to you.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS.html

Arnold Schmidt




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On May 8, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:

Hello,

Can you use Safari browser on your new mac?  If you can, there are lots of 
good web pages and websites that will help you learn.  There's Apple's own 
accessibility section.  I'm pasting below a link to VoiceOver on the mac 
section of Apple's website.  If you click on it by first interacting with 
the text of this message pressing vo+shift+down arrow and then pressing 
vo+spacebar on the link, safari will open and you will find yourself on 
the relevant page.  I assume you know that vo stands for control and 
option keys on your keyboard held down together while you press other 
keys.  the link to Apple pages is here:

https://www.apple.com/accessibility/mac/vision/

There's also a very good website called applevis which you can visit where 
you will find guides and tutorials as well as discussions on various 
aspects of voiceover use.  The link is below here:


www.applevis.com

Also, VoiceOver application on your mac (often referred to as VoiceOver 
utility), which you open with the shortcut key vo+f8, will launch it and 
each section has a help file related to it where you can read and learn an 
awful lot about VoiceOver and its functions.


Also, RNIB runs a volunteer programme through which you might be able to 
find a volunteer who might help you learn.  Contact RNIB and ask for 
accessible technology team and discuss your needs with them.


Good luck

Andrew

On 8 May 2017, at 07:41, masood B <mbamy...@gmail.com> wrote:

hello I'm a blind person and I just bought a mac book pro I have a lot of 
problems to use the mac. is there some one to teach me hot to use the mac 
please? also I would like to let you know that I'm not working and can't 
effort pait traing. thanks


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Re: new mac user

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

If the person is a braille user, he or she may wish to get some braille 
resources.  I believe that Mark Taylor said that one could get this from the 
APH (can't remember if that's the right initials from the American Light House 
for the blind) or one can get this from the Royal National Institute of Blind 
People (RNIB) Uk.

I personally like braille to learn stuff with as I don't get too much done if I 
have to learn from an electronic source.

Kawal.
> On 9 May 2017, at 00:07, Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> In addition to the very good suggestions you have received, there is a book, 
> written by Janet Ingber, and published by National Braille Press, called Mac 
> Basics For The Beginning User. I think that when somebody is in the very 
> beginning of learning how to do something, they need to have some type of 
> organized fashion of learning it, rather than just picking it up in bits and 
> pieces. At least, it is that way for me, others learn in different ways. I am 
> going to paste the link to this book below, in case it might be of use to 
> you. 
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS.html
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On May 8, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Can you use Safari browser on your new mac?  If you can, there are lots of 
> good web pages and websites that will help you learn.  There's Apple's own 
> accessibility section.  I'm pasting below a link to VoiceOver on the mac 
> section of Apple's website.  If you click on it by first interacting with the 
> text of this message pressing vo+shift+down arrow and then pressing 
> vo+spacebar on the link, safari will open and you will find yourself on the 
> relevant page.  I assume you know that vo stands for control and option keys 
> on your keyboard held down together while you press other keys.  the link to 
> Apple pages is here:
> https://www.apple.com/accessibility/mac/vision/
> 
> There's also a very good website called applevis which you can visit where 
> you will find guides and tutorials as well as discussions on various aspects 
> of voiceover use.  The link is below here:
> 
> www.applevis.com
> 
> Also, VoiceOver application on your mac (often referred to as VoiceOver 
> utility), which you open with the shortcut key vo+f8, will launch it and each 
> section has a help file related to it where you can read and learn an awful 
> lot about VoiceOver and its functions.
> 
> Also, RNIB runs a volunteer programme through which you might be able to find 
> a volunteer who might help you learn.  Contact RNIB and ask for accessible 
> technology team and discuss your needs with them.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
>> On 8 May 2017, at 07:41, masood B  wrote:
>> 
>> hello I'm a blind person and I just bought a mac book pro I have a lot of 
>> problems to use the mac. is there some one to teach me hot to use the mac 
>> please? also I would like to let you know that I'm not working and can't 
>> effort pait traing. thanks
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Re: new mac user

[Arnold Schmidt]

In addition to the very good suggestions you have received, there is a book, 
written by Janet Ingber, and published by National Braille Press, called Mac 
Basics For The Beginning User. I think that when somebody is in the very 
beginning of learning how to do something, they need to have some type of 
organized fashion of learning it, rather than just picking it up in bits and 
pieces. At least, it is that way for me, others learn in different ways. I am 
going to paste the link to this book below, in case it might be of use to you. 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS.html

Arnold Schmidt 




Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On May 8, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hello,

Can you use Safari browser on your new mac?  If you can, there are lots of good 
web pages and websites that will help you learn.  There's Apple's own 
accessibility section.  I'm pasting below a link to VoiceOver on the mac 
section of Apple's website.  If you click on it by first interacting with the 
text of this message pressing vo+shift+down arrow and then pressing vo+spacebar 
on the link, safari will open and you will find yourself on the relevant page.  
I assume you know that vo stands for control and option keys on your keyboard 
held down together while you press other keys.  the link to Apple pages is here:
https://www.apple.com/accessibility/mac/vision/

There's also a very good website called applevis which you can visit where you 
will find guides and tutorials as well as discussions on various aspects of 
voiceover use.  The link is below here:

www.applevis.com

Also, VoiceOver application on your mac (often referred to as VoiceOver 
utility), which you open with the shortcut key vo+f8, will launch it and each 
section has a help file related to it where you can read and learn an awful lot 
about VoiceOver and its functions.

Also, RNIB runs a volunteer programme through which you might be able to find a 
volunteer who might help you learn.  Contact RNIB and ask for accessible 
technology team and discuss your needs with them.

Good luck

Andrew
> On 8 May 2017, at 07:41, masood B  wrote:
> 
> hello I'm a blind person and I just bought a mac book pro I have a lot of 
> problems to use the mac. is there some one to teach me hot to use the mac 
> please? also I would like to let you know that I'm not working and can't 
> effort pait traing. thanks
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Re: new mac user

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

It depends if the Gentleman lives in the UK Andrew.  He did not specify.
> On 8 May 2017, at 08:07, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Can you use Safari browser on your new mac?  If you can, there are lots of 
> good web pages and websites that will help you learn.  There's Apple's own 
> accessibility section.  I'm pasting below a link to VoiceOver on the mac 
> section of Apple's website.  If you click on it by first interacting with the 
> text of this message pressing vo+shift+down arrow and then pressing 
> vo+spacebar on the link, safari will open and you will find yourself on the 
> relevant page.  I assume you know that vo stands for control and option keys 
> on your keyboard held down together while you press other keys.  the link to 
> Apple pages is here:
> https://www.apple.com/accessibility/mac/vision/
> 
> There's also a very good website called applevis which you can visit where 
> you will find guides and tutorials as well as discussions on various aspects 
> of voiceover use.  The link is below here:
> 
> www.applevis.com
> 
> Also, VoiceOver application on your mac (often referred to as VoiceOver 
> utility), which you open with the shortcut key vo+f8, will launch it and each 
> section has a help file related to it where you can read and learn an awful 
> lot about VoiceOver and its functions.
> 
> Also, RNIB runs a volunteer programme through which you might be able to find 
> a volunteer who might help you learn.  Contact RNIB and ask for accessible 
> technology team and discuss your needs with them.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
>> On 8 May 2017, at 07:41, masood B  wrote:
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Re: new mac user

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello,

Can you use Safari browser on your new mac?  If you can, there are lots of good 
web pages and websites that will help you learn.  There's Apple's own 
accessibility section.  I'm pasting below a link to VoiceOver on the mac 
section of Apple's website.  If you click on it by first interacting with the 
text of this message pressing vo+shift+down arrow and then pressing vo+spacebar 
on the link, safari will open and you will find yourself on the relevant page.  
I assume you know that vo stands for control and option keys on your keyboard 
held down together while you press other keys.  the link to Apple pages is here:
https://www.apple.com/accessibility/mac/vision/ 


There's also a very good website called applevis which you can visit where you 
will find guides and tutorials as well as discussions on various aspects of 
voiceover use.  The link is below here:

www.applevis.com 

Also, VoiceOver application on your mac (often referred to as VoiceOver 
utility), which you open with the shortcut key vo+f8, will launch it and each 
section has a help file related to it where you can read and learn an awful lot 
about VoiceOver and its functions.

Also, RNIB runs a volunteer programme through which you might be able to find a 
volunteer who might help you learn.  Contact RNIB and ask for accessible 
technology team and discuss your needs with them.

Good luck

Andrew
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> effort pait traing. thanks
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[masood B]

hello I'm a blind person and I just bought a mac book pro I have a lot of 
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RE: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

 Treat it like a game 
Setup some files in different locations where the files give instructions  such 
as pointing to other locaitons etc 

  That will help give her an idea of how to navigate around the machine and use 
things like finder etc.

 Hope that helps. 
 

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Subject: Re: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

I don’t have a specific starting point but i do have a general over all 
suggestion.  If she is a windows user I find at least that total emersion is 
the only way to go.  Look at learning a new computer like learning a new 
language.  It’s very difficult to continue using one OS while trying to learn 
another so the best thing I an suggest is to totally drop the windows device 
and struggle through up front.  Each day things become easier and you can 
relearn things like muscle memory for the different keyboard commands so you 
are working more rapidly and directly with the new environment instead of 
jumping from one to the other and back again.  It’s really a very similar thing 
to learning a new language where you are best going to that place and dropping 
your self in the middle.  If you want to learn French for example go to France 
and submerge your self in all French speakers instead of going to French class 
and then going back home where you speak English.  Same with learning any new 
technology.  After you get the hang of the new environment and it becomes 
second nature you can bring back in the old and be proficient at both.

Just an over all suggestion.

Good luck

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 3:36 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Evening everyone.
> 
> So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a 
> Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why 
> below.
> 
> Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 
> 10.12.1 and has been configured to her liking, I plan to do  one-to-one 
> training while she has her mac at my place, at no additional charge of 
> course. Any tips and tricks on where to start? See I've never shown someone 
> else how to use a mac, since I self taught myself when I got my first ever 
> mac, this late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro that I am writing this email on now.
> 
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
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Re: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

[Scott Granados]

I don’t have a specific starting point but i do have a general over all 
suggestion.  If she is a windows user I find at least that total emersion is 
the only way to go.  Look at learning a new computer like learning a new 
language.  It’s very difficult to continue using one OS while trying to learn 
another so the best thing I an suggest is to totally drop the windows device 
and struggle through up front.  Each day things become easier and you can 
relearn things like muscle memory for the different keyboard commands so you 
are working more rapidly and directly with the new environment instead of 
jumping from one to the other and back again.  It’s really a very similar thing 
to learning a new language where you are best going to that place and dropping 
your self in the middle.  If you want to learn French for example go to France 
and submerge your self in all French speakers instead of going to French class 
and then going back home where you speak English.  Same with learning any new 
technology.  After you get the hang of the new environment and it becomes 
second nature you can bring back in the old and be proficient at both.

Just an over all suggestion.

Good luck

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 3:36 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Evening everyone.
> 
> So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a 
> Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why 
> below.
> 
> Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 
> 10.12.1 and has been configured to her liking, I plan to do  one-to-one 
> training while she has her mac at my place, at no additional charge of 
> course. Any tips and tricks on where to start? See I've never shown someone 
> else how to use a mac, since I self taught myself when I got my first ever 
> mac, this late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro that I am writing this email on now.
> 
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
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Re: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

What does she like to do the most on her Mac? Start there! Remind her the OS 
and VO is way differernt fromWindows
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Evening everyone.
> 
> So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a 
> Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why 
> below.
> 
> Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 
> 10.12.1 and has been configured to her liking, I plan to do  one-to-one 
> training while she has her mac at my place, at no additional charge of 
> course. Any tips and tricks on where to start? See I've never shown someone 
> else how to use a mac, since I self taught myself when I got my first ever 
> mac, this late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro that I am writing this email on now.
> 
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
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Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a 
Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why 
below.

Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 
10.12.1 and has been configured to her liking, I plan to do  one-to-one 
training while she has her mac at my place, at no additional charge of course. 
Any tips and tricks on where to start? See I've never shown someone else how to 
use a mac, since I self taught myself when I got my first ever mac, this late 
2011 13 inch Macbook Pro that I am writing this email on now.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers!


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Re: very very new mac user

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the 
whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free 
open-source apps.


CB

On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.

Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:

Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
and free so might be worth giving it a try.

http://colloquy.info

CB

On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi, Deedra:

I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.

My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
W3C IRC channel.

I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?

So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
for sure.

Janina

Deedra Waters writes:

Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
work the best.


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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

Aha, and a quick Google search turns up:

http://colloquy.info/

I'll give it a try. Thanks, Chris!

Best,

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
 whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
 open-source apps.
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
 week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
 
 Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
 
 Janina
 
 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
 relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
 and free so might be worth giving it a try.
 
 http://colloquy.info
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 Hi, Deedra:
 
 I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
 you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
 terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
 it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
 vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
 
 My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
 tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
 the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
 W3C IRC channel.
 
 I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
 screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
 might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
 freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
 transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
 
 So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
 need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
 for sure.
 
 Janina
 
 Deedra Waters writes:
 Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
 works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
 apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
 good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
 work the best.
 
 
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Installing Colloquy [Was: very very new mac user]

[Janina Sajka]

Argh.

So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
finding any installation instruction on their page.

Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
see under /Library/Application Support/

Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:

/Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
/Library/Application Support/colloquy

Does it matter?

I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
specifics, so appreciate any guidance.

tia

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
 whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
 open-source apps.
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
 week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
 
 Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
 
 Janina
 
 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
 relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
 and free so might be worth giving it a try.
 
 http://colloquy.info
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 Hi, Deedra:
 
 I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
 you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
 terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
 it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
 vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
 
 My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
 tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
 the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
 W3C IRC channel.
 
 I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
 screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
 might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
 freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
 transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
 
 So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
 need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
 for sure.
 
 Janina
 
 Deedra Waters writes:
 Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
 works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
 apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
 good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
 work the best.
 
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

Chris, 

thank you very much, my concern was the scrolling issue but also
announcing what it speak as things go line by line down the screen.


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Re: very very new mac user

[Andrew Lamanche]

I can’t speak about the first two questions.  But with regard to a useful 
website, www.applevis.com  has a lot of useful info, discussions, guides and 
manuals people using mac computers have written, and you can search it for any 
questions you might have or even subscribe to a discussion list and post 
questions there.


Good luck

Andrew
 On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Michael Malver]

I don't use android devices, but my understanding is that when you plug them 
into a USB port, they look like hard drives. If that's the case, your Mac will 
see it like a drive, and it will be very easy for you to copy data to and from 
the unit.
Also, don't forget that underneath it's glittery surface, the Mac has UNIX. You 
can always go to a shell, and do things that way, if you feel you would be 
faster.


 On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: very very new mac user

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Hello Deedra,

Well, there’s a name from the past. Welcome to the world of the Mac.

You should feel quite at home with a Mac. Devices will mounted as on a Linux 
system. Although, this will be on /Volumes. The terminal will feel very 
familiar to you. Although, VoiceOver is not as good as speakup in the terminal. 
There are 2 package management systems that you can add to install packages 
within the terminal. One is called home brew, or something like that and the 
other is Mac Ports. Many of the familiar programs used on Linux appear to be 
available in Mac Ports.

I’m guessing that an IRC might be a bit clunky on the terminal with VO but I’m 
only guessing.

I have just installed the latest OS X Yosemite here and not reinstalled Mac 
Ports, so not in a position to test for you.

Here’s the Mac Ports page:

https://www.macports.org

Gena

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 On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: very very new mac user

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As far as getting acquainted with the workings of VoiceOver on the Mac, three 
things will be of invaluable help.
1) Keyboard help (Command Option + K)
entering keyboard help will let you press any key combo and hear what its 
function is - a great memory aid for learning the VO keystrokes. Exit keyboard 
help by pressing escape.

2) the quick start tutorial for VO, selected from within the VO help system 
(Command Option + H. If you’re completely unfamiliar with VO on the Mac, it’s a 
good jumping off point that will get your feet wet.

3) the Getting started guide - a complete user manual for VoiceOver.
Also accessed from within the VO help system command option + H, It covers 
every aspect of VoiceOver and it will serve you well to spend the time to read 
it thoroughly. and refer to it as often as needed in the early days.
 
On Nov 5, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:

 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Alex Hall]

First, a quick correction to Phil's message: the keys to press are control and 
option, not command and option. On a MacBook, these are the middle two of the 
group of four keys on the left side of the spacebar.

Second, someone mentioned www.applevis.com as a resource. It is definitely a 
great place to visit, but I wanted to offer a link specifically for new Mac 
users. This page collects any guides, podcasts, or blog posts that are of 
particular benefit to those new to the Mac:
http://www.applevis.com//new-to-mac
 On Nov 5, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As far as getting acquainted with the workings of VoiceOver on the Mac, three 
 things will be of invaluable help.
 1) Keyboard help (Command Option + K)
 entering keyboard help will let you press any key combo and hear what its 
 function is - a great memory aid for learning the VO keystrokes. Exit 
 keyboard help by pressing escape.
 
 2) the quick start tutorial for VO, selected from within the VO help system 
 (Command Option + H. If you’re completely unfamiliar with VO on the Mac, it’s 
 a good jumping off point that will get your feet wet.
 
 3) the Getting started guide - a complete user manual for VoiceOver.
 Also accessed from within the VO help system command option + H, It covers 
 every aspect of VoiceOver and it will serve you well to spend the time to 
 read it thoroughly. and refer to it as often as needed in the early days.
 
 On Nov 5, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

Michael Malver mmal...@gmail.com writes:
How well does the terminal work with voiceover? My understanding as of 3
years ago is that accessibility from the terminal is kind of a pita
meaning pain in the behind heh.


 I don't use android devices, but my understanding is that when you
 plug them into a USB port, they look like hard drives. If that's the
 case, your Mac will see it like a drive, and it will be very easy for
 you to copy data to and from the unit.
 Also, don't forget that underneath it's glittery surface, the Mac has
 UNIX. You can always go to a shell, and do things that way, if you
 feel you would be faster.


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 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Deedra -- and Hi Georgina!

Here's yet another Linux person showing up on a Mac list.

After about half a year with a Macbook Air I can't claim to be all that
new to Mac. I can, I think, confidentally answer the question about IRC,
because I have regular need of IRC in my work.

My first efforts to bridge the gap were to try and run familiar Linux
applications using VMware. While this works very well on a robust
network with AC power, it hasn't worked at all well on crowded wifi
using battery power.

Which takes me to a plus one for homebrew. I prefer brew to macports
because it takes care of more of the details. At the end of a successful
brew session you get an executable under /usr/local/bin, and it just
works like you'd expect it to work on Linux. With macports, you're
responsible for symlinks, and maybe a bit more--I just don't recall
right now.

So, back to IRC. Having failed to find a VoiceOver friendly IRC client,
I simply brewed up irssi and copied over my ~/.irssi directory. Works
like a charm under Terminal.

Oh, and for all those glorious flac files that Apple doesn't want you to
listen to, just brew up mplayer and enjoy your tunes the way you already
have them. No need to convert to alac.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
 Hello Deedra,
 
 Well, there’s a name from the past. Welcome to the world of the Mac.
 
 You should feel quite at home with a Mac. Devices will mounted as on a Linux 
 system. Although, this will be on /Volumes. The terminal will feel very 
 familiar to you. Although, VoiceOver is not as good as speakup in the 
 terminal. There are 2 package management systems that you can add to install 
 packages within the terminal. One is called home brew, or something like that 
 and the other is Mac Ports. Many of the familiar programs used on Linux 
 appear to be available in Mac Ports.
 
 I’m guessing that an IRC might be a bit clunky on the terminal with VO but 
 I’m only guessing.
 
 I have just installed the latest OS X Yosemite here and not reinstalled Mac 
 Ports, so not in a position to test for you.
 
 Here’s the Mac Ports page:
 
 https://www.macports.org
 
 Gena
 
 Georgina Joyce
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 Training and Coaching.
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  On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
  
  For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
  for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
  a couple of questions though:
  
  There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
  1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
  particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
  do.
  
  I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
  i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
  from the tablet.
  
  I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
  someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
  around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
  
  Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
  are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
  of my questions.:)
  
  Thanks
  
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Re: very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk writes:
Yes definitly a name from the past.:)

I've heard though, that yasr works well with the terminal anyone tried
using that with the terminal?


 Hello Deedra,

 Well, there’s a name from the past. Welcome to the world of the Mac.

 You should feel quite at home with a Mac. Devices will mounted as on a
 Linux system. Although, this will be on /Volumes. The terminal will
 feel very familiar to you. Although, VoiceOver is not as good as
 speakup in the terminal. There are 2 package management systems that
 you can add to install packages within the terminal. One is called
 home brew, or something like that and the other is Mac Ports. Many of
 the familiar programs used on Linux appear to be available in Mac
 Ports.

 I’m guessing that an IRC might be a bit clunky on the terminal with VO
 but I’m only guessing.

 I have just installed the latest OS X Yosemite here and not
 reinstalled Mac Ports, so not in a position to test for you.

 Here’s the Mac Ports page:

 https://www.macports.org

 Gena

 Georgina Joyce
 Applied Psychologist
 Training and Coaching.
 Because individuals of groups matter!

 On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

Thanks. I actually went and read the voiceover manual that was on the
apple website not sure how current that is, but it did provide some
initial help so i could look at my friend's mac and make the decision
from there.

Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com writes:

 As far as getting acquainted with the workings of VoiceOver on the
 Mac, three things will be of invaluable help.
 1) Keyboard help (Command Option + K)
 entering keyboard help will let you press any key combo and hear what
 its function is - a great memory aid for learning the VO
 keystrokes. Exit keyboard help by pressing escape.

 2) the quick start tutorial for VO, selected from within the VO help
 system (Command Option + H. If you’re completely unfamiliar with VO on
 the Mac, it’s a good jumping off point that will get your feet wet.

 3) the Getting started guide - a complete user manual for VoiceOver.
 Also accessed from within the VO help system command option + H, It
 covers every aspect of VoiceOver and it will serve you well to spend
 the time to read it thoroughly. and refer to it as often as needed in
 the early days.
  
 On Nov 5, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:

 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Scott Berry]

Janina,

Welcome to the list.  Great to see you over here.


 On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Janina Sajka jan...@rednote.net wrote:
 
 Hi, Deedra -- and Hi Georgina!
 
 Here's yet another Linux person showing up on a Mac list.
 
 After about half a year with a Macbook Air I can't claim to be all that
 new to Mac. I can, I think, confidentally answer the question about IRC,
 because I have regular need of IRC in my work.
 
 My first efforts to bridge the gap were to try and run familiar Linux
 applications using VMware. While this works very well on a robust
 network with AC power, it hasn't worked at all well on crowded wifi
 using battery power.
 
 Which takes me to a plus one for homebrew. I prefer brew to macports
 because it takes care of more of the details. At the end of a successful
 brew session you get an executable under /usr/local/bin, and it just
 works like you'd expect it to work on Linux. With macports, you're
 responsible for symlinks, and maybe a bit more--I just don't recall
 right now.
 
 So, back to IRC. Having failed to find a VoiceOver friendly IRC client,
 I simply brewed up irssi and copied over my ~/.irssi directory. Works
 like a charm under Terminal.
 
 Oh, and for all those glorious flac files that Apple doesn't want you to
 listen to, just brew up mplayer and enjoy your tunes the way you already
 have them. No need to convert to alac.
 
 Janina
 
 Georgina Joyce writes:
 Hello Deedra,
 
 Well, there’s a name from the past. Welcome to the world of the Mac.
 
 You should feel quite at home with a Mac. Devices will mounted as on a Linux 
 system. Although, this will be on /Volumes. The terminal will feel very 
 familiar to you. Although, VoiceOver is not as good as speakup in the 
 terminal. There are 2 package management systems that you can add to install 
 packages within the terminal. One is called home brew, or something like 
 that and the other is Mac Ports. Many of the familiar programs used on Linux 
 appear to be available in Mac Ports.
 
 I’m guessing that an IRC might be a bit clunky on the terminal with VO but 
 I’m only guessing.
 
 I have just installed the latest OS X Yosemite here and not reinstalled Mac 
 Ports, so not in a position to test for you.
 
 Here’s the Mac Ports page:
 
 https://www.macports.org
 
 Gena
 
 Georgina Joyce
 Applied Psychologist
 Training and Coaching.
 Because individuals of groups matter!
 
 On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

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Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
work the best.


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Re: very very new mac user

[Alex Hall]

Once you interact with the text area you write in, it works okay. Sometimes 
reviewing by word or character can cause focus to wander off, and I find things 
a bit verbose for my liking, but it works well enough. Of course, I should say 
that I'm an occasional Terminal user, so I can't offer insights like those who 
use it all the time could.
 On Nov 5, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
 works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
 apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
 good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
 work the best.
 
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks, Scott. Much appreciated! I can say it's nice to see a bevy of
familiar names here as well.

Janina

Scott Berry writes:
 Janina,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Great to see you over here.
 
 
  On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Janina Sajka jan...@rednote.net wrote:
  
  Hi, Deedra -- and Hi Georgina!
  
  Here's yet another Linux person showing up on a Mac list.
  
  After about half a year with a Macbook Air I can't claim to be all that
  new to Mac. I can, I think, confidentally answer the question about IRC,
  because I have regular need of IRC in my work.
  
  My first efforts to bridge the gap were to try and run familiar Linux
  applications using VMware. While this works very well on a robust
  network with AC power, it hasn't worked at all well on crowded wifi
  using battery power.
  
  Which takes me to a plus one for homebrew. I prefer brew to macports
  because it takes care of more of the details. At the end of a successful
  brew session you get an executable under /usr/local/bin, and it just
  works like you'd expect it to work on Linux. With macports, you're
  responsible for symlinks, and maybe a bit more--I just don't recall
  right now.
  
  So, back to IRC. Having failed to find a VoiceOver friendly IRC client,
  I simply brewed up irssi and copied over my ~/.irssi directory. Works
  like a charm under Terminal.
  
  Oh, and for all those glorious flac files that Apple doesn't want you to
  listen to, just brew up mplayer and enjoy your tunes the way you already
  have them. No need to convert to alac.
  
  Janina
  
  Georgina Joyce writes:
  Hello Deedra,
  
  Well, there’s a name from the past. Welcome to the world of the Mac.
  
  You should feel quite at home with a Mac. Devices will mounted as on a 
  Linux system. Although, this will be on /Volumes. The terminal will feel 
  very familiar to you. Although, VoiceOver is not as good as speakup in the 
  terminal. There are 2 package management systems that you can add to 
  install packages within the terminal. One is called home brew, or 
  something like that and the other is Mac Ports. Many of the familiar 
  programs used on Linux appear to be available in Mac Ports.
  
  I’m guessing that an IRC might be a bit clunky on the terminal with VO but 
  I’m only guessing.
  
  I have just installed the latest OS X Yosemite here and not reinstalled 
  Mac Ports, so not in a position to test for you.
  
  Here’s the Mac Ports page:
  
  https://www.macports.org
  
  Gena
  
  Georgina Joyce
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  Because individuals of groups matter!
  
  On 5 Nov 2014, at 05:34, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
  
  For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
  for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
  a couple of questions though:
  
  There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
  1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
  particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
  do.
  
  I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
  i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
  from the tablet.
  
  I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
  someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
  around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
  
  Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
  are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
  of my questions.:)
  
  Thanks
  
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Deedra:

I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.

My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
W3C IRC channel.

I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?

So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
for sure.

Janina

Deedra Waters writes:
 Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
 works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
 apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
 good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
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Re: very very new mac user

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Just tried it with a Samsung Galaxy S5 and it did not show up on my 
desktop. A little googling around and it seems like you have to install 
something called Android File Transfer but I haven't tried this myself yet.


https://www.android.com/filetransfer/

CB

On 11/5/14, 3:57 AM, Michael Malver wrote:

I don't use android devices, but my understanding is that when you plug them 
into a USB port, they look like hard drives. If that's the case, your Mac will 
see it like a drive, and it will be very easy for you to copy data to and from 
the unit.
Also, don't forget that underneath it's glittery surface, the Mac has UNIX. You 
can always go to a shell, and do things that way, if you feel you would be 
faster.



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For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
a couple of questions though:

There are certain things that i want to do in particular.
1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
do.

I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
from the tablet.

I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..

Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
of my questions.:)

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Re: very very new mac user

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it 
relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) 
app and free so might be worth giving it a try.


http://colloquy.info

CB

On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi, Deedra:

I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.

My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
W3C IRC channel.

I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?

So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
for sure.

Janina

Deedra Waters writes:

Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

I haven't tried file copying, but I have successfully tethered my
Macbook over my Android phone for Internet access.

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Just tried it with a Samsung Galaxy S5 and it did not show up on my desktop.
 A little googling around and it seems like you have to install something
 called Android File Transfer but I haven't tried this myself yet.
 
 https://www.android.com/filetransfer/
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 3:57 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
 I don't use android devices, but my understanding is that when you plug them 
 into a USB port, they look like hard drives. If that's the case, your Mac 
 will see it like a drive, and it will be very easy for you to copy data to 
 and from the unit.
 Also, don't forget that underneath it's glittery surface, the Mac has UNIX. 
 You can always go to a shell, and do things that way, if you feel you would 
 be faster.
 
 
 On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:
 
 There are certain things that i want to do in particular.
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.
 
 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.
 
 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..
 
 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.

Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
 relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
 and free so might be worth giving it a try.
 
 http://colloquy.info
 
 CB
 
 On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 Hi, Deedra:
 
 I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
 you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
 terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
 it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
 vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
 
 My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
 tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
 the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
 W3C IRC channel.
 
 I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
 screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
 might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
 freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
 transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
 
 So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
 need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
 for sure.
 
 Janina
 
 Deedra Waters writes:
 Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
 works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
 apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
 good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
 work the best.
 
 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Pamela Francis]

Hello,
Have you checked out applevis.com They have exceent content up there.
You can introduce topics  get feedback similar to this list. However, do
not forsake this list. There are some truly helpful people on here.
Hope it all works out.
Pam Francis
On Nov 4, 2014 11:34 PM, Deedra Waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:

 For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
 for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
 a couple of questions though:

 There are certain things that i want to do in particular.
 1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
 particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
 do.

 I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
 i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
 from the tablet.

 I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
 someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
 around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..

 Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
 are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
 of my questions.:)

 Thanks

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Re: very very new mac user

[Chris Moore]

Deedra,
My opinion is that VO access to the terminal is quite good.  The terminal 
session is contained in a buffer.  You can scroll line by line using VO + 
up/down.  

The other thing I wanted to mention is that there is a dropbox client for the 
mac.  So if you can access dropbox from your tablet, you can use dropbox as a 
medium to transfer files between the mac and your tablet.

Chris

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very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

For the majority of my life i've been a linux user. I've wanted a mac
for quite a while now and i'm going to get a macbook air soon. I've got
a couple of questions though:

There are certain things that i want to do in particular. 
1. does i-chat work with irc or is it a mac specific thing? I
particularly need an irc client because of some of the things i need to
do.

I'm also curious as to how android phones and macs get along. Only thing
i need to do is be able to dump content onto the tablet and copy content
from the tablet.

I'm also looking for any tips or advice someone might have to offer to
someone completely new to macs. I've got iphone experience but that died
around ios 6 and i've not really followed any of that since..

Is there a website out there that offers suggestions for programs that
are and aren't accessible on macs? That would probably answer the rest
of my questions.:)

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new mac user please help

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.
One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.
I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.
Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.
Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.
Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
I would appreciate any help and advice.
Thanks in advance,
Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
Zoe

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Re: new mac user please help

[isaac]

Hello there welcome to the world of the mac. First you probably would want to 
go through the voiceover  quick start to do that press control option command 
function f 8 to open it then use you're left and right arrows to move forward 
and back through the quick start guide. The quick start will get you started 
with how to use voiceover such as using it to interact with tables and other 
basic voiceover commands you will need to use the mac.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
 coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
 to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
 great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
 the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
 forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
 The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
 first questions that I need help with is as follows.
 One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
 languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
 the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
 added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
 okay.
 I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
 Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
 first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
 everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
 voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
 the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
 Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
 the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
 The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
 with a hotkey.
 Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
 always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
 to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
 this action.
 Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
 hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
 I would appreciate any help and advice.
 Thanks in advance,
 Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
 Zoe
 
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Re: new mac user please help

[isaac]

To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and 
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
 coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
 to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
 great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
 the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
 forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
 The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
 first questions that I need help with is as follows.
 One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
 languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
 the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
 added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
 okay.
 I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
 Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
 first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
 everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
 voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
 the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
 Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
 the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
 The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
 with a hotkey.
 Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
 always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
 to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
 this action.
 Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
 hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
 I would appreciate any help and advice.
 Thanks in advance,
 Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
 Zoe
 
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RE: new mac user please help

[Zoe Fiogkos]

I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned
the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a
little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it
will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation
soon.
 
 
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Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user please help
 
To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:



Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.
One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.
I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.
Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.
Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.
Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
I would appreciate any help and advice.
Thanks in advance,
Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
Zoe
 
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Re: new mac user please help

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Zoe,

To get rid of the conflict between new keyboard layout and Spotlight search, 
open System Preferences and go to the Keyboard pane. Select Shortcuts tab, 3 of 
4, then navigate right to the Shortcuts categories table and interact with it. 
Navigate down to Spotlight. Stop interacting with that table and navigate right 
to the next one which will say Spotlight shortcuts table. Interact and uncheck 
the check box for Show Spotlight search field ⌘Space.

Cheers,

Anne


On 26 Feb 2014, at 15:48, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
 coming from the world of windows I’m totally lost. However I am also excited 
 to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
 great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I’m at 
 the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I’m looking 
 forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
 The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
 first questions that I need help with is as follows.
 One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
 languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I’ve downloaded 
 the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
 added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
 okay.
 I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
 Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
 first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
 everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
 voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
 the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
 Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
 the doc but I don’t think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
 The second problem is I can’t find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
 with a hotkey.
 Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don’t want to 
 always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
 to switch voices or languages, I’m assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
 this action.
 Of course I have a thousand more questions but let’s start with these, and 
 hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
 I would appreciate any help and advice.
 Thanks in advance,
 Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
 Zoe
 
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RE: new mac user please help

[Jamie Pauls]

Be aware that VO F8 twice will bring you to the list of VoiceOver keyboard
commands. The commands are grouped in such a way that you can easily locate
what you need when you need it. There are a potentially overwhelming number
of VO commands to learn if you try to memorize them all at once, so you're
better off learning the ones you need as you complete your daily tasks on
the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new mac user please help

 

I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned
the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a
little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it
will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation
soon.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of isaac
Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user please help

 

To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:





Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.

The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.

One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.

I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.

Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.

The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.

Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.

Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.

I would appreciate any help and advice.

Thanks in advance,

Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,

Zoe

 

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Re: new mac user please help

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Zoe,

Welcome to the group. I, too, am a Greek speaker and I, too, chose to switch to 
Mac because of the many language Apple offers. I've learnt Greek, and in fact, 
I'm still continuing my classes with a tutor in Cyprus.

Now to your questions. Isaac has already told you how to switch languages on 
the fly. I hope that this is working well for you now.

The second point is more complex, and I will try to explain. My knowledge of 
this comes from the very many exchanges I've had over the years with the 
members of the group, so I owe it all to them.

The reason why you call up spotlight search is that the shortcut key 
combination command+spacebar is assigned to spotlight. You need to disassociate 
this combination with spotlight and than assign it or activate it for the input 
source. It's a while since I have done it, so forgive me if I make an error. 
Someone else on the list may correct me on this.

1. Open system preferences by going to the dock with control+f3. You should 
here voiceover say dock. Once in the dock, you can type three first letters 
sys to land immediately on system preferences. Press enter. System 
preferences will open. You will be probably in the toolbar of system 
preferences where you have back forward buttons and search field. Stop 
interacting with the toolbar by pressing vo+shift+uparrow and vo + right arrow 
when you will here preferences pane. 

2. Interact with preference pain and vo+right arrow to find the button 
keyboard or else start typing the word keyboard and you should land on this 
button. Press vo+spacebar on this button to open keyboard preferences.

3. In keyboard preferences you will have several tabs. As you vo+right arrow 
through the window, you will hear the word tab and highlighted. The highlighted 
tab is th the one which is currently active. 

4. Find the tab which says shortcuts. Press vo+spacebar on it to highlighted. 
It will now read highlighted. Continue vo+right arrow to find two tables 
where you will need to make choices and perform actions. Remember to interact 
with a table you need to press vo+shift+down arrow and to stop interacting you 
press vo+shift+uparrow. Once you interact with the table you can vo+down or up 
arrow through the rows and vo+left or right arrow to examine each row.

5. Interact with the first table and find the category spotlight. Once you 
land on it, stop interacting with the table. The item spotlight will now be 
highlighted. Move vo+right to the next table of shortcuts. 

6. Interact with the second table and uncheck the boxes next to the spotlight 
actions. 

7. Stop interacting with the table and move back to the previous table of 
shortcut categories. Interact with it and find the category input source'. 
Stop interacting and move to the shortcuts table

8. Interact with shortcuts table and vo+down arrow until you find previous and 
next input source items. To the left of each item there's a checkbox. Check 
them and to the right of each item there should be a description of the 
shortcut key. 

This is the point where my memory fails me. I can't now remember whether I had 
assigned command+spacebar to the next input source myself or whether it was 
already assigned and I just needed to check the box next to the action item. I 
hope the latter is the case. Try this, and if it doesn't work, you will need to 
assign the shortcut combination. I hope it won't be necessary. 

I did however have to assign a new shortcut to Spotlight. This is maybe for 
later.

Hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, please ask.

Also, there's a very useful macvisionaries archive page whose url is:
macvisionaries

With best wishes

Simon


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Re: new mac user please help

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

nope, its not VO f8, its VO + H
On 26 Feb 2014, at 05:55 pm, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Be aware that VO F8 twice will bring you to the list of VoiceOver keyboard 
 commands. The commands are grouped in such a way that you can easily locate 
 what you need when you need it. There are a potentially overwhelming number 
 of VO commands to learn if you try to memorize them all at once, so you're 
 better off learning the ones you need as you complete your daily tasks on the 
 Mac.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:38 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: new mac user please help
  
 I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned 
 the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a 
 little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it 
 will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation soon.
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of isaac
 Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new mac user please help
  
 To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and 
 use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
 coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
 to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
 great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
 the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
 forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
 The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
 first questions that I need help with is as follows.
 One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
 languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
 the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
 added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
 okay.
 I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
 Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
 first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
 everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
 voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
 the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
 Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
 the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
 The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
 with a hotkey.
 Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
 always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
 to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
 this action.
 Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
 hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
 I would appreciate any help and advice.
 Thanks in advance,
 Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
 Zoe
  
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Re: new mac user please help

[Jamie Pauls]

What's that I was saying about learning commands? LOL thanks for the 
correction. I had been messing around and preferences and got those commands 
mixed up in my head.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 nope, its not VO f8, its VO + H
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 05:55 pm, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Be aware that VO F8 twice will bring you to the list of VoiceOver keyboard 
 commands. The commands are grouped in such a way that you can easily locate 
 what you need when you need it. There are a potentially overwhelming number 
 of VO commands to learn if you try to memorize them all at once, so you’re 
 better off learning the ones you need as you complete your daily tasks on 
 the Mac.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:38 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: new mac user please help
  
 I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned 
 the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a 
 little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it 
 will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation 
 soon.
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of isaac
 Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new mac user please help
  
 To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and 
 use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos fiog...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of 
 course coming from the world of windows I’m totally lost. However I am also 
 excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong 
 to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like 
 I’m at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I’m 
 looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
 The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
 first questions that I need help with is as follows.
 One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in 
 other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I’ve 
 downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I 
 have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point 
 everything is okay.
 I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
 Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
 first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start 
 typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to 
 the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the 
 body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the 
 internet.
 Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
 the doc but I don’t think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
 The second problem is I can’t find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
 with a hotkey.
 Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don’t want to 
 always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
 to switch voices or languages, I’m assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
 this action.
 Of course I have a thousand more questions but let’s start with these, and 
 hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
 I would appreciate any help and advice.
 Thanks in advance,
 Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
 Zoe
  
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new mac user

[Scott B.]

Hello there,

I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people 
could tell me how to


start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do my 
homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program calle 
Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all keystrokes 
for VO on the Mac?

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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

1.  VO should turn on when you first turn on your Mac.  IF, by some strange 
chance it does not, press Cmd+F5.  Know where your command key is?  It’s the 
one directly next to the space bar at either side.  Your Option key is the one 
directly next to the command key.  How to ensure Voice Over stays on?  Just 
don’t turn it off.

How to get help?

IF you press VO+k, this turns on Keyboard help.  Press escape to turn it off.  
What I mean by VO is the key combination of control+Option together.  So, if 
for example, I tell you to press VO+up arrow, I mean for you to press 
control+Option+up arrow all together.

Here’s another tip.  You will be offered the option of starting an interactive 
tutorial when Voice OVer starts up for the first time.  go ahead and let this 
happen.  In this mode, you will be activly guided through the basics.

With respect to the broadcast program, I’d get the basics down first.  Give 
yourself a good two or three weeks for this.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,
 
 I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could 
 tell me how to
 
 start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
 college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do my 
 homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program calle 
 Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all 
 keystrokes for VO on the Mac?
 
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Re: new mac user

[Daniel McGee]

To add what Ray has said. Once you’ve setup your Mac the way you like it. It 
maybe a good idea to check the checkbox found in system preferences, Users and 
Groups, now your in a table. Arrow down to Login options group and here is 
where you’ll find the check box which is called, “use Voiceover in the login 
window.” Note: if Voiceover says dimd afterwards then in this case you will 
need to keep arrowing right with the VO keys until you here “Click the lock to 
make changes.” Either a button or a check box choose which ever you want a 
screen will then pop up asking you to aufenticate in other words type in your 
password if you do decide to create one once you have setup your Mac.
After you’ve done this, that previous Voiceover check box should then be 
un-dimd so that you can now go ahead and check it.
If you forget all this, then no problem just email us again and I’m sure 
someone here will tell you how to do this again.

The reason why you would want to check this box is for example software 
updates. Say you was installing a software update for your Mac and it required 
you to re-start then by having this check box checked it will automatically 
turn on Voiceover if it re-starts and is installing the new files and the like 
for the new software update in progress. Of course, you could use the Command 
F5 command to turn on Voiceover but having this check box checked should 
hopefully make your life a lot easier.

I hope this tip so to speak has helped you and welcome to the list! :)

Thanks

Daniel  
On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:34, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 1.  VO should turn on when you first turn on your Mac.  IF, by some strange 
 chance it does not, press Cmd+F5.  Know where your command key is?  It’s the 
 one directly next to the space bar at either side.  Your Option key is the 
 one directly next to the command key.  How to ensure Voice Over stays on?  
 Just don’t turn it off.
 
 How to get help?
 
 IF you press VO+k, this turns on Keyboard help.  Press escape to turn it off. 
  What I mean by VO is the key combination of control+Option together.  So, if 
 for example, I tell you to press VO+up arrow, I mean for you to press 
 control+Option+up arrow all together.
 
 Here’s another tip.  You will be offered the option of starting an 
 interactive tutorial when Voice OVer starts up for the first time.  go ahead 
 and let this happen.  In this mode, you will be activly guided through the 
 basics.
 
 With respect to the broadcast program, I’d get the basics down first.  Give 
 yourself a good two or three weeks for this.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could 
 tell me how to
 
 start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
 college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do my 
 homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program calle 
 Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all 
 keystrokes for VO on the Mac?
 
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Re: new mac user

[Alex Hall]

Command-f5 will turn Voiceover on and off, and once it is on it will remain on 
until you turn it off, even after a restart. On a standard Apple keyboard, the 
command key is immediately to the left or right of the spacebar. You may need 
to press function with that keystroke, which is the bottom left key.

If you are interested in programming, Macs come with Python pre-installed, so 
you can use that language, or you can look into using Xcode to write 
Objective-c or C++ applications. The mv...@googlegroups.com email list is a 
good place to ask Xcode questions.

Keystrokes are all over the internet, but Apple has a couple lists on their 
website, as does www.applevis.com. The latter site also has many tutorials and 
pocasts for those new to the Mac you may find useful.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,
 
 I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could 
 tell me how to
 
 start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
 college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do my 
 homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program calle 
 Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all 
 keystrokes for VO on the Mac?
 
 -- 
 Have a great day.
 Scott
 sb356...@gmail.com
 Listen to Rock and Roll and More on
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Re: new mac user

[Scott B.]

Yeah I'll probably use Xcode.  How do I get a hold of that?


On 01/16/2014 12:07, Alex Hall wrote:

Command-f5 will turn Voiceover on and off, and once it is on it will remain on 
until you turn it off, even after a restart. On a standard Apple keyboard, the 
command key is immediately to the left or right of the spacebar. You may need 
to press function with that keystroke, which is the bottom left key.

If you are interested in programming, Macs come with Python pre-installed, so 
you can use that language, or you can look into using Xcode to write 
Objective-c or C++ applications. The mv...@googlegroups.com email list is a 
good place to ask Xcode questions.

Keystrokes are all over the internet, but Apple has a couple lists on their 
website, as does www.applevis.com. The latter site also has many tutorials and 
pocasts for those new to the Mac you may find useful.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello there,

I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could tell 
me how to

start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do my 
homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program calle 
Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all keystrokes 
for VO on the Mac?

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Re: new mac user

[Alex Hall]

Open the App Store, find the toolbar, interact with it, and find the search 
box. Type xcode and press enter, and it should be the first, if not the only, 
result.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah I'll probably use Xcode.  How do I get a hold of that?
 
 
 On 01/16/2014 12:07, Alex Hall wrote:
 Command-f5 will turn Voiceover on and off, and once it is on it will remain 
 on until you turn it off, even after a restart. On a standard Apple 
 keyboard, the command key is immediately to the left or right of the 
 spacebar. You may need to press function with that keystroke, which is the 
 bottom left key.
 
 If you are interested in programming, Macs come with Python pre-installed, 
 so you can use that language, or you can look into using Xcode to write 
 Objective-c or C++ applications. The mv...@googlegroups.com email list is a 
 good place to ask Xcode questions.
 
 Keystrokes are all over the internet, but Apple has a couple lists on their 
 website, as does www.applevis.com. The latter site also has many tutorials 
 and pocasts for those new to the Mac you may find useful.
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could 
 tell me how to
 
 start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
 college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do 
 my homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program 
 calle Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all 
 keystrokes for VO on the Mac?
 
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Re: new mac user

[Daniel Hawkins]

Also don’t forget the Voiceover Help menu. press the VO keys and h, and to get 
commands press VO and h twice quickly.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 16, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Open the App Store, find the toolbar, interact with it, and find the search 
 box. Type xcode and press enter, and it should be the first, if not the 
 only, result.
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah I'll probably use Xcode.  How do I get a hold of that?
 
 
 On 01/16/2014 12:07, Alex Hall wrote:
 Command-f5 will turn Voiceover on and off, and once it is on it will remain 
 on until you turn it off, even after a restart. On a standard Apple 
 keyboard, the command key is immediately to the left or right of the 
 spacebar. You may need to press function with that keystroke, which is the 
 bottom left key.
 
 If you are interested in programming, Macs come with Python pre-installed, 
 so you can use that language, or you can look into using Xcode to write 
 Objective-c or C++ applications. The mv...@googlegroups.com email list is a 
 good place to ask Xcode questions.
 
 Keystrokes are all over the internet, but Apple has a couple lists on their 
 website, as does www.applevis.com. The latter site also has many tutorials 
 and pocasts for those new to the Mac you may find useful.
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am going to be getting a Mac Pro soon.  I was wondering if people could 
 tell me how to
 
 start VO for the first time and ensure that it stays on.  Secondly, I am a 
 college student what writing programs would be useful for me to use to do 
 my homework.  Thirdly, I do a radio show I see that there is a program 
 calle Nicecast frin wgere di U get it?  Fourthly, where do I go to get all 
 keystrokes for VO on the Mac?
 
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 sb356...@gmail.com
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for the new Mac User

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi everyone:
This article is good for the new Mac user. You can learn concepts regarding the 
Mac OS. 
http://www.macworld.com/article/2081983/top-10-lessons-for-the-new-mac-user.html

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Introducing myself, questions from a new mac user

[Andrew Head]

Hi all,
My name is Andrew. I am 23 and from Australia.
I have recently switched from windows to the mac. I have had an IPhone for 2 
years now, and liked the idea of the built in screen reader and having the same 
access as sighted people out of the box, without the need to buy or install any 
extra software! I have also been unimpressed with Jaws particularly with jaws 
15, and the so called new features which are really improvements to what’s 
already there. 
I look forward to participating in this group and hopefully down the line, 
helping fellow new users.
I have had help with a lot of things, I’ve found I need to relearn how to do 
everything all over again. It’s a challenge, but fun at the same time. 
I have some questions I would like some help with please.
1. I know how to copy from an external hard drive to the mac hard drive, but 
how do you copy between 2 locations on the mac hard drive itself? say how would 
I copy from downloads to my personal folder? 

2. How do you attach files to emails, and save attachments?

3. What is the keystroke for receiving new email?

Thanks in advance for any help,
God bless,
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Re: Introducing myself, questions from a new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

1.  Welcome.

2.  copying is done within a Mac drive from one location to another in the same 
way you already know how to do it.

Next. Attach files to e-mail message either with Shift+CMD+a or else you can do 
it via cutting and pasting the way I do.

To get attachments from an e-mail, I use the file menu for that since I 
upgraded to 10.9.

As for the hopt key for calling the server for new mail, I use Shift+Cmd+n.

HTH.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:

 Hi all,
 My name is Andrew. I am 23 and from Australia.
 I have recently switched from windows to the mac. I have had an IPhone for 2 
 years now, and liked the idea of the built in screen reader and having the 
 same access as sighted people out of the box, without the need to buy or 
 install any extra software! I have also been unimpressed with Jaws 
 particularly with jaws 15, and the so called new features which are really 
 improvements to what’s already there. 
 I look forward to participating in this group and hopefully down the line, 
 helping fellow new users.
 I have had help with a lot of things, I’ve found I need to relearn how to do 
 everything all over again. It’s a challenge, but fun at the same time. 
 I have some questions I would like some help with please.
 1. I know how to copy from an external hard drive to the mac hard drive, but 
 how do you copy between 2 locations on the mac hard drive itself? say how 
 would I copy from downloads to my personal folder? 
 
 2. How do you attach files to emails, and save attachments?
 
 3. What is the keystroke for receiving new email?
 
 Thanks in advance for any help,
 God bless,
 Andrew 
 
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New Mac user

[dr . abdullah6]

Hello I don't want keep pressing vo Kees every time I need to be like free 
windows 


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Re: New Mac user

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First, the mac is completely different from windows; some things work better, 
some things do not. You cannot come to the mac expecting it to be just like 
windows, or you will be disappointed and frustrated.

That said, you do not need to press the vo keys as often as certain podcasts 
lead you to believe. For instance, to activate a button, checkbox, or similar 
control in a dialog, you can press space, not vo-space. Pressing enter in a 
dialog will activate the default button (vo will tell you if a button is 
default when you move over it). Tab will work similar to windows, moving you 
around from control to control. If it does not, open system preferences, go to 
keyboard, and make sure tab navigation is turned on and set how you want it. In 
menus, you can simply arrow, no need to hold the vo keys down, much like in 
windows. Speaking of menus, you should go into the vo utility (vo-f8), select 
navigation in the table, and enable cursor wrapping so that vo will not stop at 
the end of a menu or dialog but instead loop around to the beginning. Finally, 
some vo commands have mac equivalents: ctrl-f3 goes to the doc, ctrl-f2 goes to 
the menu bar, and so on. Note that you may need to press function with any 
command that uses an f key, if you have a keyboard that has a function key and 
your mac is set up to require it (again, system preferences  keyboard is where 
you can change that).
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Re: New Mac user

[Rod Skene]

I like the NUM pad commander. It really cuts down on keystrokes. I use the DAS 
Multi media keyboard for Mac and love it

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On 26/02/2013, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 First, the mac is completely different from windows; some things work better, 
 some things do not. You cannot come to the mac expecting it to be just like 
 windows, or you will be disappointed and frustrated.
 
 That said, you do not need to press the vo keys as often as certain podcasts 
 lead you to believe. For instance, to activate a button, checkbox, or similar 
 control in a dialog, you can press space, not vo-space. Pressing enter in a 
 dialog will activate the default button (vo will tell you if a button is 
 default when you move over it). Tab will work similar to windows, moving you 
 around from control to control. If it does not, open system preferences, go 
 to keyboard, and make sure tab navigation is turned on and set how you want 
 it. In menus, you can simply arrow, no need to hold the vo keys down, much 
 like in windows. Speaking of menus, you should go into the vo utility 
 (vo-f8), select navigation in the table, and enable cursor wrapping so that 
 vo will not stop at the end of a menu or dialog but instead loop around to 
 the beginning. Finally, some vo commands have mac equivalents: ctrl-f3 goes 
 to the doc, ctrl-f2 goes to the menu bar, and so on. Note that you may need 
 to press function with any command that uses an f key, if you have a keyboard 
 that has a function key and your mac is set up to require it (again, system 
 preferences  keyboard is where you can change that).
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:39 AM, dr.abdull...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello I don't want keep pressing vo Kees every time I need to be like free 
 windows 
 
 
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Re: New Mac user

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

I see you are using an iPhone. So you can also use the gestures to which 
you are familiar, providing you have a magic trackpad.


Gena


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Re: New Mac user

[Alex Hall]

True, if you have a Macbook with the right trackpad (anything made within the 
last three or four years will). If you have a desktop, you will need the Magic 
Trackpad ($70 from Apple). Some gestures are not the same, however, and the Mac 
includes many gestures that the iPhone does not. Have a look at the vo utility, 
commanders, trackpad, assign commands. In there you can see what all the 
default gestures do, and assign your own to be executed when you perform a 
gesture while holding down a modifier key like control or command.
On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Georgina Joyce r...@o2.co.uk wrote:

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 I see you are using an iPhone. So you can also use the gestures to which you 
 are familiar, providing you have a magic trackpad.
 
 Gena
 
 
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new Mac user

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi, my name is Katie Zodrow. I used to be on the MacVisionaries list about 7 or 
8 years ago when Tiger and Voiceover were just released. I'm currently renting 
a Mac for a few months with Snow Leopard os 10.6. For the past 2 weeks, I've 
been learning the Mac and how to use Voiceover and so far, I've found it pretty 
easy to use. I'm used to using a PC with Jaws. Sometimes, its a little 
challenging to figure out when you need to interact with items, but this is 
getting easier for me. I've learned how to navigate Safari, use commands for 
reading text like in Text Edit, and some basics on using the Finder app. I've 
also explored the Address Book and want to learn Garage Band. I had a question 
about selecting text. How do you select text on a web page in Safari or in a 
word processing program like Text Edit? In Safari, I started interacting with 
the text and did shift right arrow, but nothing happened. I'm not sure if I'm 
doing this correctly.

Also, I will be learning how to use ProTools again and wanted to know if 
there's anything else I need to learn before getting a copy of the software.
Thanks for your help.

Katie

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Re: new Mac user

[Alex Hall]

I've not had much luck selecting text in Safari, but try using shift with up 
and down arrows. To select text in a document, just add shift to any navigation 
command. For instance, to select the next word, use shift-option-right; to 
select to the end of the document, use cmd-shift-down.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Katie Zodrow kzodrow...@att.net wrote:

 Hi, my name is Katie Zodrow. I used to be on the MacVisionaries list about 7 
 or 8 years ago when Tiger and Voiceover were just released. I'm currently 
 renting a Mac for a few months with Snow Leopard os 10.6. For the past 2 
 weeks, I've been learning the Mac and how to use Voiceover and so far, I've 
 found it pretty easy to use. I'm used to using a PC with Jaws. Sometimes, its 
 a little challenging to figure out when you need to interact with items, but 
 this is getting easier for me. I've learned how to navigate Safari, use 
 commands for reading text like in Text Edit, and some basics on using the 
 Finder app. I've also explored the Address Book and want to learn Garage 
 Band. I had a question about selecting text. How do you select text on a web 
 page in Safari or in a word processing program like Text Edit? In Safari, I 
 started interacting with the text and did shift right arrow, but nothing 
 happened. I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly.
  
 Also, I will be learning how to use ProTools again and wanted to know if 
 there's anything else I need to learn before getting a copy of the software.
 Thanks for your help.
  
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Re: new Mac user

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hi Katie,

To select text in Text Edit, make sure quick Nav is off. Then interact with the 
text, and press vo+enter to start your selection. Use normal nnavigation 
commands to get the text you wish. Wehn finished with the selection, press 
vo+enter to end.
In Safari, try shift+down arrow to select lines, at least.
Hope that helps,
Rachel 
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 Hi, my name is Katie Zodrow. I used to be on the MacVisionaries list about 7 
 or 8 years ago when Tiger and Voiceover were just released. I'm currently 
 renting a Mac for a few months with Snow Leopard os 10.6. For the past 2 
 weeks, I've been learning the Mac and how to use Voiceover and so far, I've 
 found it pretty easy to use. I'm used to using a PC with Jaws. Sometimes, its 
 a little challenging to figure out when you need to interact with items, but 
 this is getting easier for me. I've learned how to navigate Safari, use 
 commands for reading text like in Text Edit, and some basics on using the 
 Finder app. I've also explored the Address Book and want to learn Garage 
 Band. I had a question about selecting text. How do you select text on a web 
 page in Safari or in a word processing program like Text Edit? In Safari, I 
 started interacting with the text and did shift right arrow, but nothing 
 happened. I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly.
  
 Also, I will be learning how to use ProTools again and wanted to know if 
 there's anything else I need to learn before getting a copy of the software.
 Thanks for your help.
  
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new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please send me 
the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on the 
dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance   
 
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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  Rather, 
you will notice a button on the page that says install that you press.  this 
will start everything for you.


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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 me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on the 
 dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance 
  
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Re: new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so how 
do i get out of them to find the install link thanks
Wayne Coles
wayne...@gmail.com



On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
 Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says install that you 
 press.  this will start everything for you.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please send 
 me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on 
 the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance
  
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
 how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks  
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
 Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says install that you 
 press.  this will start everything for you.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
 send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it 
 on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance
 
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

yes i signed in ok but all that comes up as far as i can tell is the normal 
dropbox folders so do i have to do something else and thanks for the help 
Wayne Coles
wayne...@gmail.com



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 Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
 how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks 
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
 Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says install that you 
 press.  this will start everything for you.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
 send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding 
 it on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in 
 advance   
 Wayne Coles
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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yes, click on the account link.  That's where you'll find it.  It's just a 
matter of looking more carefully at the page.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

 yes i signed in ok but all that comes up as far as i can tell is the normal 
 dropbox folders so do i have to do something else and thanks for the help 
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 6 Oct 2012, at 13:09, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
 how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks
 Wayne Coles
 wayne...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
 Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says install that you 
 press.  this will start everything for you.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
 send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding 
 it on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in 
 advance  
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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Gigi]

What if you have a MVP and it stays asleep when it is not being used? Do I have 
to do disk maintance by hand? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi,
 
 There is no need to defrag a Mac.  The Mac does its own optimizing in the 
 middle of the night, on the weekend and another one once a moth.  Just don't 
 turn off the computer and it will do everything by itself.  It doesn't hurt 
 to go into Disk Utility and do a Repair Disk Permissions once in a while.  It 
 can improve performance if things have got out of whack, once a month is more 
 then frequent enough.
 
 With respect to Word Processors, Pages does work fine although there are some 
 things that can be frustrating, but then again, one can get frustrated with 
 Word on the PC as well.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-10-18, at 12:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address 
 in the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about 
 this a while back, but it seems she still cannot join.
 for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the answers.
 she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.
 
 She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I 
 have never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such is 
 her goal.  needful?  if so, how is it best done?
 its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
 Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms of 
 her specific edition of snow leopard.
 best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition of 
 open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, so I 
 think needs more than textedit.
 I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?
 
 Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
 Karen
 
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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It can be done by hand but it is unnecessary.  According to this Apple article, 
the maintenance operations are done when the computer wakes from sleep or is 
turned back on.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2319

Later...

On 2011-10-19, at 3:46 AM, Gigi wrote:

 What if you have a MVP and it stays asleep when it is not being used? Do I 
 have to do disk maintance by hand? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There is no need to defrag a Mac.  The Mac does its own optimizing in the 
 middle of the night, on the weekend and another one once a moth.  Just don't 
 turn off the computer and it will do everything by itself.  It doesn't hurt 
 to go into Disk Utility and do a Repair Disk Permissions once in a while.  
 It can improve performance if things have got out of whack, once a month is 
 more then frequent enough.
 
 With respect to Word Processors, Pages does work fine although there are 
 some things that can be frustrating, but then again, one can get frustrated 
 with Word on the PC as well.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-10-18, at 12:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address 
 in the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about 
 this a while back, but it seems she still cannot join.
 for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the 
 answers.
 she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.
 
 She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I 
 have never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such is 
 her goal.  needful?  if so, how is it best done?
 its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
 Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms of 
 her specific edition of snow leopard.
 best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition 
 of open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, so 
 I think needs more than textedit.
 I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?
 
 Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
 Karen
 
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new mac user with two basic questions?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address 
in the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about 
this a while back, but it seems she still cannot join.

for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the answers.
she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.

She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I 
have never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such 
is her goal.  needful?  if so, how is it best done?

its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms 
of her specific edition of snow leopard.
best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition 
of open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, 
so I think needs more than textedit.

I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?

Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
Karen

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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Pages works great! You do not need to defray your mac. No registry keys!
On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi all,
 In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address 
 in the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about this 
 a while back, but it seems she still cannot join.
 for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the answers.
 she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.
 
 She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I have 
 never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such is her 
 goal.  needful?  if so, how is it best done?
 its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
 Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms of 
 her specific edition of snow leopard.
 best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition of 
 open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, so I 
 think needs more than textedit.
 I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?
 
 Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi there,
it seems my friend Rita means refreshing her mac, something she says she 
does often when it starts to run slowly?

How often do you personally refresh your drive?
She says she has been using the disc utility since 2006 for this purpose.
thoughts?
Karen

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hi:
Pages works great! You do not need to defray your mac. No registry keys!
On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address in 
the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about this a 
while back, but it seems she still cannot join.
for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the answers.
she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.

She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I have 
never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such is her goal.  
needful?  if so, how is it best done?
its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms of her 
specific edition of snow leopard.
best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition of 
open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, so I 
think needs more than textedit.
I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?

Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
Karen

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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I refresh Safari. I've run first aid under disk utility to see if there are 
errors. I've also gone to the processes to see if something is stuck running, 
like a print job. I've only been a Mac user for 18 months,so maybe I'm just not 
understanding her question?
On Oct 18, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi there,
 it seems my friend Rita means refreshing her mac, something she says she does 
 often when it starts to run slowly?
 How often do you personally refresh your drive?
 She says she has been using the disc utility since 2006 for this purpose.
 thoughts?
 Karen
 
 On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi:
 Pages works great! You do not need to defray your mac. No registry keys!
 On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 In fact my friend Rita wishes to join the list.  I am including her address 
 in the to field hoping a mod can subscribe her.  I wrote privately about 
 this a while back, but it seems she still cannot join.
 for the moment though I am going to post her questions and share the 
 answers.
 she has snow leopard, 10.6.8, running on a mac mini.
 
 She wants to clean up her disc.  Forgive me if this seems strange, but I 
 have never read of anyone needing to run defrag on their mac, but such is 
 her goal.  needful?  if so, how is it best done?
 its all mac, no virtual box with windows.
 Her next question is one  know that gets asked allot, so think in terms of 
 her specific edition of snow leopard.
 best voiceover friendly word processor?  I know there is a recent edition 
 of open office, how is iworks these days?  She is a professional writer, so 
 I think needs more than textedit.
 I recall a person posting an entirely different writing program in fact?
 
 Thanks for the house wisdom usual,
 Karen
 
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Re: new mac user with two basic questions?

[Robert Nelson]

Dear Karen,

I have not done this myself in all the years I have had a Mac except back in 
the 90's with Disk First Aid.  I did open disk Utility and  went to Disk 
Utility Help.  Under Disk Repair it tells  how to repair the disk.  If it is 
the  disk that is also being used as  the start up disk, the disk utility is a 
little limited.  Apparently , it is better to run Disk Utility  from the 
original Installation disks if they are available.

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Robert

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