Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
hi guys, I did first aid on my mac, running public beta, and the disk still says that it's corrupted and needs to be repaired. Any ideas on how to fix this without wiping the drive completely? On Jul 14, 2015, at 08:24, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t have this one. Try first refreshing your mac. The disk utility now automatically repairs permissions and disc at intervals so that will not be the source. On 14/07/2015, at 10:15 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
I don’t have this one. Try first refreshing your mac. The disk utility now automatically repairs permissions and disc at intervals so that will not be the source. On 14/07/2015, at 10:15 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Aunders, quick nav turned on will jump from grouped items to grouped items if they exist. This means that you will effectively not be able to go through your messages. On 13/07/2015, at 8:18 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I have to turn off quicknav to be able to view the list of mails. Also i can not use quicknav in any menu. /A 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:50 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com: One bug I found is with the new window spots menu. When selecting, for example, the messages table in Mail, the content navigator option in the roter just shows loading more items. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2015, at 8:28 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Chris, It would fail because you do not get it. Sad. There are some good people on this list who want to improve the OS X experience and they do not feel the need to bs about it. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 5:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I think it'll fail for many more reasons than no moderator, but you all don't obviously want to hear my so called bullshit, so why bother telling you to start with. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
There should be a recovery mode from which disc utility can be accessed with the repair drive option. When booting, immediately leave command-r pressed for a while (say about 15-20 seconds). When you’re in recovery, toggle voice over on (if you have a laptop, press with fn key). Once in, go to the menu, find utilities/disc utility and go through the repair option. On 14/07/2015, at 10:39 PM, Matthew Dierckens matt.dierck...@me.com wrote: hi guys, I did first aid on my mac, running public beta, and the disk still says that it's corrupted and needs to be repaired. Any ideas on how to fix this without wiping the drive completely? On Jul 14, 2015, at 08:24, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t have this one. Try first refreshing your mac. The disk utility now automatically repairs permissions and disc at intervals so that will not be the source. On 14/07/2015, at 10:15 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
What kind of volume problem? I have a problem regarding speech volume and I just got a notice from Apple Bug Reporting that my report (21729362) has been closed because it was a duplicate. When sound docking is turned on the vo sounds will squash speech. So, if you have this problem, you can either turn off sound docking, or turn off vo sounds and git by until it is fixed. They don’t aficially support betas running in VMs. On Jul 14, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Hi, This usually means that the directory structure is corrupt. If the Disk Repair in Disk Utility does not do the trick, then best to backup any files you can and reformat then restore. There are utilities that attempt to rebuild the directory, but many also say that you should grab what data you can then reformat/reinstall to get best results. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 14, 2015, at 08:32, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: There should be a recovery mode from which disc utility can be accessed with the repair drive option. When booting, immediately leave command-r pressed for a while (say about 15-20 seconds). When you’re in recovery, toggle voice over on (if you have a laptop, press with fn key). Once in, go to the menu, find utilities/disc utility and go through the repair option. On 14/07/2015, at 10:39 PM, Matthew Dierckens matt.dierck...@me.com wrote: hi guys, I did first aid on my mac, running public beta, and the disk still says that it's corrupted and needs to be repaired. Any ideas on how to fix this without wiping the drive completely? On Jul 14, 2015, at 08:24, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t have this one. Try first refreshing your mac. The disk utility now automatically repairs permissions and disc at intervals so that will not be the source. On 14/07/2015, at 10:15 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue. Sean On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not
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Hi! I have to turn off quicknav to be able to view the list of mails. Also i can not use quicknav in any menu. /A 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:50 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com: One bug I found is with the new window spots menu. When selecting, for example, the messages table in Mail, the content navigator option in the roter just shows loading more items. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2015, at 8:28 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Chris, It would fail because you do not get it. Sad. There are some good people on this list who want to improve the OS X experience and they do not feel the need to bs about it. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 5:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I think it'll fail for many more reasons than no moderator, but you all don't obviously want to hear my so called bullshit, so why bother telling you to start with. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this
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i don't see any problem with mail here. On 13 Jul 2015, at 2:08 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system. On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
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The El Capitan discussion is totally out in the open at https://forums.developer.apple.com/community/pre-release/os-x-1011-beta. I don’t no why anyone wouldn’t want to discuss it here though. On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I too believe that a mailing list for VO beta testers would be better than a thread here. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 01:37 skrev E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
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Dumb people will be dumb. Discuss all you want - it's been discussed for over a month by so many other blogs and journalistic sites. On 7/14/2015 1:16 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: The El Capitan discussion is totally out in the open at https://forums.developer.apple.com/community/pre-release/os-x-1011-beta. I don’t no why anyone wouldn’t want to discuss it here though. On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I too believe that a mailing list for VO beta testers would be better than a thread here. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 01:37 skrev E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Hi, I too believe that a mailing list for VO beta testers would be better than a thread here. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 01:37 skrev E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Not confirmed here. No issues at all. /Krister 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com: So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
One bug I found is with the new window spots menu. When selecting, for example, the messages table in Mail, the content navigator option in the roter just shows loading more items. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2015, at 8:28 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Chris, It would fail because you do not get it. Sad. There are some good people on this list who want to improve the OS X experience and they do not feel the need to bs about it. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 5:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I think it'll fail for many more reasons than no moderator, but you all don't obviously want to hear my so called bullshit, so why bother telling you to start with. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
E! Yucko! Let me try reproducing this. I will definitely! file this one for ya, if I can manage to reproduce it. That's a promise! Chris. - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 10:46 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of file from any application. Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes. On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote: Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
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Cara Quinn is the moderator but I don't thing you need her approval. The list is self selecting and people will vote with their feet by participating in a particular discussion thread, or not. I applaud leadership by doing. Worst case is the thread dies of natural causes. CB On 7/12/15 9:47 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: This sounds great. Or we can create another mail list for apple betas. On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Chris, It would fail because you do not get it. Sad. There are some good people on this list who want to improve the OS X experience and they do not feel the need to bs about it. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 5:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I think it'll fail for many more reasons than no moderator, but you all don't obviously want to hear my so called bullshit, so why bother telling you to start with. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
If you think I only talk about NDA, download the beta, but don't do my part, then explain to me why I now have over 200 bugs I've reported since the WWDC dev launch of I O S 9, and just barely over 70 roughly, give or take, for El Capitan. You dono what I'm doing behind the scenes, and for those of us who're honest about things, no one else would know either. I'm not saying you're accusing me of not doing my part, but just watch it! You really don't know one way or another. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 9:30 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
This sounds great. Or we can create another mail list for apple betas. On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
Just watch it? Forget it, Chris, its pointless. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: If you think I only talk about NDA, download the beta, but don't do my part, then explain to me why I now have over 200 bugs I've reported since the WWDC dev launch of I O S 9, and just barely over 70 roughly, give or take, for El Capitan. You dono what I'm doing behind the scenes, and for those of us who're honest about things, no one else would know either. I'm not saying you're accusing me of not doing my part, but just watch it! You really don't know one way or another. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 9:30 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the work, it will get done. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi ET, This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub two ducks about it. Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole concept of keeping trolls out of the way. Cheers, On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
I think it'll fail for many more reasons than no moderator, but you all don't obviously want to hear my so called bullshit, so why bother telling you to start with. Chris. - Original Message - From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical. It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time. No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this proposal will fail. What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta testing? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to help as much as I can. Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone. Have a great week, chump On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
How about you ignore the thread instead of asking people to filter messages? We have to deal with members spam after all. On 7/12/2015 10:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
It takes an ignorer to make one. That's all I'll say to your comment. - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:59 PM Subject: Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread How about you ignore the thread instead of asking people to filter messages? We have to deal with members spam after all. On 7/12/2015 10:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter? This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to? Smirk? Chris. - Original Message - From: Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread Hi All, I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for mailing lists and other communication channels. So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible. I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good as it can get. I believe there should be a few rules: 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have. This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to make sure every angle is covered before really going through it. A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me his/her email? Thanks, and have an awesome week -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
