Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

VOCR will take a photo of the screen and let you as the user navigate the 
screenshot and click on items in it.

It is my go to app if a Mac app isn’t accessible.

Best
Michael - KJ7PAZ
Payown Media, LLC


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how 
> it works.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, 
>> had to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a 
>> pretty seamless process to get going.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>>>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>>>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
>>>> just getting a PC.
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
>>>>> never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>>>> parallels is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how it 
works.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
> to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
> seamless process to get going.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
>>> just getting a PC.
>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
>>>> never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>>> parallels is.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>> 
>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

I am also interested in running Windows on a silicon based Mac. I have always 
run Bootcamp for this on Intel, wish Apple would make this available again at 
some point in the future.
I have tried Parallels on someone’s MacBook Air M2 with 8 core cpu,  8gb ram 
and 512gb ssd. As I understand it, Parallels is the best option at the moment 
and is Microsoft supporting ARM-based Windows 11 officially now. Parallels 
downloads the Windows for you. It is not accessible unfortunately, as many 
already stated here. But when installed it is possible to start and stop the 
virtual Windows machine with Voice Over. The pricing of Parallels is a bit high 
by the way. 
I installed the latest ARM-version of Jaws 2023 and it ran pretty well without 
any stutter or weird issues. The apps which I ran in the short time with it, 
did fine. My worries are, before I buy a MacBook Pro and installing Windows via 
Parallels, is the compatibility of certain apps I must run on Windows. I have 
learned not all Windows apps will run on ARM-hardware, even not through Rosetta 
2.
Plus I still keep wondering how much speed-loss you experience while running 
Windows in such virtual machine? There must be some performance drop because 
its a operating system running in a program on an other operating system.
And no, I rather not buy a seperate Windows pc for this;)
 
Ronald


> Op 27 apr. 2023, om 16:06 heeft mattias jonsson  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> try this link for parallels desktop appstore edition
> 
> Parallels Desktop
> google.com
>  
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>Parallels
>  Desktop 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> google.com 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe
>  
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> 
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 15:34 skrev Michael Babcock :
>> 
>> Hi
>> It is not!
>> 
>> Hear are 2 resources that may help:
>> 
>> VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
>> Downloads – Install Parallels 
>> Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
>> Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>>>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>>>> easier using VOCR.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: mattias jonsson 
>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>>>> 
>>>> dont use utm
>>>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the onl

Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

Hi
It is not!

Hear are 2 resources that may help:

VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
Downloads – Install Parallels 
Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022

Hope this helps.


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
> 
> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>> easier using VOCR.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: mattias jonsson 
>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>> 
>> dont use utm
>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>>> parallels is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>> 
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Re: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[lenron brown]

Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?

On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
> easier using VOCR.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: mattias jonsson 
> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>
> dont use utm
> utm dont support tpm etc
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>> parallels is.
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>
>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>
>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>
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RE: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Joe Hodge]

UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much easier 
using VOCR. 

- Original Message -
From: mattias jonsson 
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc
> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>> 
>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>> 
>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>> 
>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>> 
>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc

> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>> 
>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>> 
>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>> 
>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>> 
>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
seamless process to get going.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>> 
>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>> 
>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>> 
>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Herbie Allen]

I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.


> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
> getting a PC.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>> 
>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>> 
>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>> 
>>> How software looks like ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, 
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft insider 
program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been officially 
released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just getting a PC.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
> is.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13? 
>> 
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> 
>> How software looks like ?
>> 
>> Thank you so much, 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

but the latest vmware fussion for m1 have an audio bug
so litle unusable now

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:35 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> 
> On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
> 
> Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
> accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would suggest 
> checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.
> 
> I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the details. 
> Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a Mac OS version 
> with working accessibility.
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

and please dont get in on the crap called utm

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:34 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your 
> system to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
> <https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR> is where you can get this.
> 
> There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
> permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
> need to do.
> If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
> clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue 
> a mouse click on Install Windows.
> 
> Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.
> 
> You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
> the Windows OS.
> 
> There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a 
> production version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the 
> Mac App Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source 
> virtualization platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs 
> here by starting with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There 
> are more hoops you have to jump through with UTM but it also works.
> 
> I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
> has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a 
> $99 a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, 
> which includes command line support and more.
> 
> I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope 
> to have it done in a couple days.
> 
> Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
> created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
> password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
> immediately obvious.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
>> nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would 
>> look into this being that you have an M1 though.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
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>> 
>> On 4/26/2023 5:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>> How software looks like ?
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.


Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would 
suggest checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.


I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the 
details. Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a 
Mac OS version with working accessibility.


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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your system 
to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
<https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR> is where you can get this.

There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
need to do.
If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue a 
mouse click on Install Windows.

Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.

You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
the Windows OS.

There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a production 
version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the Mac App 
Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source virtualization 
platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs here by starting 
with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There are more hoops you 
have to jump through with UTM but it also works.

I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a $99 
a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, which 
includes command line support and more.

I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope to 
have it done in a couple days.

Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
immediately obvious.


Kelly



> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know nothing 
> about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would look 
> into this being that you have an M1 though.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 4/26/2023 5:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13?
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> How software looks like ?
>> Thank you so much,
>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

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   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Jessica Moss]

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.

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Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

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On 9/5/21 4:51 pm, Rajiv Shah wrote:
There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet 
compiled to run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?


My understanding, which may be inaccurate, is that NVDA includes some 
C++ code. I don't know whether it compiles and runs on ARM64.


Microsoft Narrator may work, though, as it's part of the operating system.

On Linux, I've heard that Orca does run under ARM64.


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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

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What about virtual machines?
I realise that's not the original direction of the thread but I am curious as 
I'm thinking of getting a new Mac at some point.

> On 10 May 2021, at 6:58 am, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It must be, because I can get a build of Windows that runs on a Raspberry Pi, 
> and that's an ARM processor.
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/9/2021 4:51 PM, Rajiv Shah wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet compiled to 
>> run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?
>> 
>> Rajiv
>> - Original Message -
>> From: maurice mines  
>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>, Mike Arrigo  
>> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>
>> Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
>> 
>> hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed
>> that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the
>> configuration that is required if one were to be running the sun
>> and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in a
>> virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this
>> further disclaimer clarifies things.
>> 
>> Please be aware that my last message is disclaimers still apply
>> to this message as well.
>> 
>> On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.
>> 
>> On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,  
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
>> new M1 Macs.
>> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows 
>> Insider registration.
>> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
>>  
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Here is a good article from NV Access explaining why third party screen readers 
cannot run on Windows S or any Mobile version of windows.

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/why-cant-nvda-run-on-windows-10-mobile-and-windows-10-s/

I’ve decided that it is not worth investigating or running a Virtual Windows 
Machine on my M1. 

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Mike Arrigo 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 


Hi,

There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet compiled to 
run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?

Rajiv
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> , 
Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net> >
Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed
that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the
configuration that is required if one were to be running the sun
and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in a
virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this
further disclaimer clarifies things.

Please be aware that my last message is disclaimers still apply
to this message as well.

On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:



Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

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This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
on the same machine.

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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Rajiv Shah]

Hi,

So do you have a screen reader running on the Windows version running on the Pi?
- Original Message -
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 16:58:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

It must be, because I can get a build of Windows that runs on a
   Raspberry Pi, and that's an ARM processor.On 5/9/2021 4:51 PM, Rajiv Shah 
wrote:


   Hi,


   There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet
   compiled to run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do
   so?


   Rajiv

   - Original Message -

   From: maurice mines 

   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, Mike Arrigo
   

   Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)

   Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

hello again, I just realized something I should've also
disclosed

that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the

configuration that is required if one were to be running the sun

and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in
a

virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this

further disclaimer clarifies things.Please be aware that my last message is 
disclaimers still apply

to this message as well.On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo
wrote:
Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,  
wrote:

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Steve Matzura]

It must be, because I can get a build of Windows that runs on a 
Raspberry Pi, and that's an ARM processor.



On 5/9/2021 4:51 PM, Rajiv Shah wrote:


Hi,

There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet 
compiled to run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?


Rajiv
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From: maurice mines 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, Mike Arrigo 
Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed
that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the
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and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in a
virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this
further disclaimer clarifies things.

Please be aware that my last message is disclaimers still apply
to this message as well.

On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 
AM,  wrote:

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto 
the new M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows 
Insider registration.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Rajiv Shah]

Hi,

There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet compiled to 
run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?

Rajiv
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From: maurice mines 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, Mike Arrigo 
Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed
   that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the
   configuration that is required if one were to be running the sun
   and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in a
   virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this
   further disclaimer clarifies things.Please be aware that my last message is 
disclaimers still apply
   to this message as well.On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,  
wrote:

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
on the same machine.

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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[maurice mines]

hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed that 
I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the configuration 
that is required if one were to be running the sun and in M1 machine 
that is simply that you must be running it in a virtual machine 
configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this further disclaimer 
clarifies things.



Please be aware that my last message is disclaimers still apply to this 
message as well.




On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.


On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,   
wrote:

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[maurice mines]

good afternoon everyone I just wanted to let everyone know is far is I 
know you can not run parallels with any nonvisual access technique. 
Meaning Jaws orNvda. Unfortunately the creators of parallels I don't 
think knows and or is concerning themselves with access for the blind. 
VMware on the other hand does work quite well with Jaws,Nvda I have had 
no problems when running a virtual machine with either of these two 
Windows-based screen readers. Just FYI I am dictating this message to 
the computer by using Dragon for Windows. This program unlike a screen 
reader is an absolute resource hog! But seems to be holding up very 
well. Just for clarity I don't work for VMware. And have no financial or 
other interest. Just wanting to pass along advice. Just so that you are 
aware if you are using it for purely personal means meaning you're not 
doing Windows on a Mac for a professional reason meaning a job, you can 
run VMware for free writing you obtain a noncommercial use license. 
There are instructions and all of the details on their website.



Of course be aware with this solution you will have to add this program 
to your security and privacy preferences particularly in the 
accessibility, Paul discusses, and with the appropriate extension. The 
installer will prompt you to make these settings.



I hope this helps someone out? Otherwise be well everyone and to all the 
mothers out there hopefully your mother today is going along smoothly.



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written above, are mine. They don't reflect the views of the national 
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contents of this email to the computer by means of dictation software. 
So there may in fact be some unintended errors in the text written 
above. If there's something you didn't understand, please reach out to 
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On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.


On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,   
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Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Mike Arrigo]

Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

> On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
> new M1 Macs.
> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
> registration.
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
> I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

I installed the Google Browser last night and look forward to trying it out.

It has been my experience that Google suite products tend to work better in 
Google /Chrome.

I appreciate the information.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

Rebecca,

 

Yes, there is a version of Google Chrome that will run nicely on the Mac. it 
also works well with VoiceOver.

 

Google's Sheets and Docs are browser-based applications, that can be run on any 
platform via the browser of your choice. While theoretically Sheets and Dogs 
can be run using Safari, you may find a better experience when using Google's 
chrome browser.

- Brad -


On May 8, 2021, at 11:55, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  
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Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
Chrome on the Mac?

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.

 

I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) 
later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the 
Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run 
on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility 
though at some point.

 

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Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

Hi,

This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.

It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/

I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Brad Snyder]

Rebecca,

Yes, there is a version of Google Chrome that will run nicely on the Mac. it 
also works well with VoiceOver.

Google's Sheets and Docs are browser-based applications, that can be run on any 
platform via the browser of your choice. While theoretically Sheets and Dogs 
can be run using Safari, you may find a better experience when using Google's 
chrome browser.

- Brad -

On May 8, 2021, at 11:55, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:


Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
Chrome on the Mac?
 
From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
 
In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.
 
I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) 
later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the 
Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run 
on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility 
though at some point.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

I have clients who send me worksheets in Google Chrome, Excel, or Microsoft 
Online.

I have to juggle multiple platforms.

I love the responsiveness of VoiceOver in native apps though.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of kliph miller Sr
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

Why bother when numbers gets the job done, but yes Crome can be used on the m1, 
but again, safari gets the job done.

Enjoy audio described content? You will find Classics as well as  new releases. 
Checkout my Movies 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0j6ALPvhpXwliEACLXDopcvsA#movies> , TVShows 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05EK6BH-fw4yDwCWaoHjLQW-g#TV_shows> , and 
audio Dramatized Bible 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0fSeKpEJZLzLw78a6VPiGFc5A#Audio_bible> .

Required storage needed

Movies (75GB)

TVShows (100GB)Audio dramatized Bible (16GB)

Enjoy!





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Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
Chrome on the Mac?

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.

 

I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) 
later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the 
Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run 
on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility 
though at some point.

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com< <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
skipper8...@gmail.com< <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> skipper8...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

Hi,

This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.

It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.

 
<https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
 
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/

I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
on the same machine.

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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Thanks for that.

This means that I have no reason to install Windows on a Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:19 PM
To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

Hi!

There’s nothing wrong with Chrome except that it makes VoiceOver announce that  
chrome has a new windows.

/A





8 maj 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev kliph miller Sr mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com> >:

 

Why bother when numbers gets the job done, but yes Crome can be used on the m1, 
but again, safari gets the job done.

Enjoy audio described content? You will find Classics as well as  new releases. 
Checkout my Movies 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0j6ALPvhpXwliEACLXDopcvsA#movies> , TVShows 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05EK6BH-fw4yDwCWaoHjLQW-g#TV_shows> , and 
audio Dramatized Bible 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0fSeKpEJZLzLw78a6VPiGFc5A#Audio_bible> .

Required storage needed

Movies (75GB)

TVShows (100GB)Audio dramatized Bible (16GB)

Enjoy!





On May 8, 2021, at 11:55 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
Chrome on the Mac?

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.

 

I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) 
later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the 
Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run 
on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility 
though at some point.

 

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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

Hi,

This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.

It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.

 
<https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
 
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/

I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There’s nothing wrong with Chrome except that it makes VoiceOver announce that  
chrome has a new windows.
/A

> 8 maj 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev kliph miller Sr :
> 
> Why bother when numbers gets the job done, but yes Crome can be used on the 
> m1, but again, safari gets the job done.
> Enjoy audio described content? You will find Classics as well as  new 
> releases. Checkout my Movies 
> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0j6ALPvhpXwliEACLXDopcvsA#movies>, 
> TVShows 
> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05EK6BH-fw4yDwCWaoHjLQW-g#TV_shows>, and 
> audio Dramatized Bible 
> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0fSeKpEJZLzLw78a6VPiGFc5A#Audio_bible>.
> Required storage needed
> Movies (75GB)
> TVShows (100GB)Audio dramatized Bible (16GB)
> Enjoy!
> 
>> On May 8, 2021, at 11:55 AM, > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
>> Chrome on the Mac?
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
>>  
>> In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
>> Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.
>>  
>> I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip 
>> is) later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything 
>> on the Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow 
>> Linux to run on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that 
>> possibility though at some point.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
>> new M1 Macs.
>> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows 
>> Insider registration.
>> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
>>  
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
>> I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating 
>> systems on the same machine.
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[kliph miller Sr]

Why bother when numbers gets the job done, but yes Crome can be used on the m1, 
but again, safari gets the job done.
Enjoy audio described content? You will find Classics as well as  new releases. 
Checkout my Movies 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0j6ALPvhpXwliEACLXDopcvsA#movies>, TVShows 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05EK6BH-fw4yDwCWaoHjLQW-g#TV_shows>, and 
audio Dramatized Bible 
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0fSeKpEJZLzLw78a6VPiGFc5A#Audio_bible>.
Required storage needed
Movies (75GB)
TVShows (100GB)Audio dramatized Bible (16GB)
Enjoy!

> On May 8, 2021, at 11:55 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
> Chrome on the Mac?
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
>  
> In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
> Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.
>  
> I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip 
> is) later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything 
> on the Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux 
> to run on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that 
> possibility though at some point.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
> 
> Hi,
> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
> new M1 Macs.
> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
> registration.
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
>  
> <https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
Chrome on the Mac?

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 

In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.

 

I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) 
later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the 
Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run 
on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility 
though at some point.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on 
behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

Hi,

This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.

It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/

I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Are there arm64 based Debian versions out there?
With Bratty running that could be great.
I wouldn’t rung Gui on that debits system though.
/A

> 8 maj 2021 kl. 16:42 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
> Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.
>  
> I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip 
> is) later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything 
> on the Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux 
> to run on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that 
> possibility though at some point.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
> 
> Hi,
> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
> new M1 Macs.
> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
> registration.
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
>  
> <https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/>
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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

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In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility. I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip is) later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything on the Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux to run on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that possibility though at some point. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 MachinesHi,This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new M1 Macs.It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider registration.https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems on the same machine.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/07b601d7434a%24fc6f4330%24f54dc990%24%40gmail.com.



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Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

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Hi,

This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the
new M1 Macs.

It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows
Insider registration.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-o
n-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/

I've decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating
systems on the same machine.

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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hello,

Thanks a bunch. Sure do appreciate the input.

 


Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 9:44 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I took your questions in a direction you'd not intended.
> 
> Can you install from USB? Certainly. USB won't care whether you attach a
> stick or a mechanical drive.
> 
> 
> How long can you use it without paying up? I've no idea. Microsoft.com
> will have the answer somewhere, though. And, maybe someone else just
> knows.
> 
> Can you use Narrator for the install? Absolutely. Check out this podcast
> which has been pointed to in the past on this list. It's a very helpful
> guide:
> 
> https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-a-mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hello,
>> Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
>> I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says 
>> to use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I 
>> know that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on 
>> my SSD.
>> So my questions are these.
>> 1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
>> same as the usb stick.
>> Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
>> purchase windows.
>> Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 
>> 2014 model year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
>>> any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
>>> various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
>>> Here's just one such:
>>> 
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
>>> 
>>> And, here's another:
>>> 
>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
>>> side of things with the booting process.
>>> 
>>> So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
>>> your Mac?
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>> hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
>>>> that changed the scenario completely.
>>>> 
>>>> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
>>>> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
>>>>> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
>>>>> early
>>>>> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
>>>>> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
>>>>> keymappings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
>>>>> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
>>>>> inch less.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
>>>>> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
>>>>> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
>>>>> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
>>>>> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
>>>>> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
>>>>> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
>>>>> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry I took your questions in a direction you'd not intended.

Can you install from USB? Certainly. USB won't care whether you attach a
stick or a mechanical drive.


How long can you use it without paying up? I've no idea. Microsoft.com
will have the answer somewhere, though. And, maybe someone else just
knows.

Can you use Narrator for the install? Absolutely. Check out this podcast
which has been pointed to in the past on this list. It's a very helpful
guide:

https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-a-mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/

Good luck!

Janina

'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hello,
> Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
> I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says 
> to use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I 
> know that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on my 
> SSD.
> So my questions are these.
> 1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
> same as the usb stick.
> Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
> purchase windows.
> Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 
> 2014 model year.
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
> > any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
> > various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
> > Here's just one such:
> > 
> > https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
> > 
> > And, here's another:
> > 
> > http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
> > 
> > 
> > Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
> > side of things with the booting process.
> > 
> > So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
> > your Mac?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> hello,
> >> 
> >> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
> >> that changed the scenario completely.
> >> 
> >> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
> >> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dan
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> >>> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> >>> 
> >>> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> >>> early
> >>> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> >>> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> >>> keymappings.
> >>> 
> >>> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> >>> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> >>> inch less.
> >>> 
> >>> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> >>> 
> >>> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> >>> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> >>> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> >>> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> >>> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> >>> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> >>> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> >>> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> >>> 
> >>> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> >>> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> >>> OS X via Virtualbox.
> >>> 
> >>> hth
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>>> Hello,
> 

Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says to 
use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I know 
that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on my SSD.
So my questions are these.
1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
same as the usb stick.
Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
purchase windows.
Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 2014 
model year.



Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
> any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
> various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
> Here's just one such:
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
> 
> And, here's another:
> 
> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
> 
> 
> Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
> side of things with the booting process.
> 
> So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
> your Mac?
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> hello,
>> 
>> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
>> that changed the scenario completely.
>> 
>> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
>> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
>>> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
>>> 
>>> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
>>> early
>>> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
>>> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
>>> keymappings.
>>> 
>>> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
>>> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
>>> inch less.
>>> 
>>> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
>>> 
>>> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
>>> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
>>> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
>>> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
>>> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
>>> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
>>> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
>>> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
>>> 
>>> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
>>> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
>>> OS X via Virtualbox.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
>>>> latest OS Mojave.
>>>> I have a few questions.
>>>> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
>>>> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
>>>> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should 
>>>> I have eyes present.
>>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>>> 
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>>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
Here's just one such:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/

And, here's another:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html


Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
side of things with the booting process.

So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
your Mac?

Janina

'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> hello,
> 
> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess that 
> changed the scenario completely.
> 
> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> > to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> > 
> > I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> > early
> > 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> > graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> > keymappings.
> > 
> > Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> > sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> > inch less.
> > 
> > Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> > 
> > If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> > main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> > will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> > chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> > may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> > generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> > notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> > for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> > 
> > I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> > three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> > 
> > 
> > My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> > OS X via Virtualbox.
> > 
> > hth
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hello,
> >> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
> >> latest OS Mojave.
> >> I have a few questions.
> >> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
> >> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
> >> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should 
> >> I have eyes present.
> >> Thanks for any assistance.
> >> 
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hello,

Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess that 
changed the scenario completely.

So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no Flash 
Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.




Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> 
> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> early
> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> keymappings.
> 
> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> inch less.
> 
> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> 
> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> 
> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> 
> 
> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> OS X via Virtualbox.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hello,
>> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
>> latest OS Mojave.
>> I have a few questions.
>> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
>> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
>> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should I 
>> have eyes present.
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.

I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my early
2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
keymappings.

Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
inch less.

Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?

If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.

I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.


My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
OS X via Virtualbox.

hth

Janina

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> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the latest 
> OS Mojave.
> I have a few questions.
> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should I 
> have eyes present.
> Thanks for any assistance.
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Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

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Hello,
I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the latest 
OS Mojave.
I have a few questions.
Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
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have eyes present.
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Re: major audio issues on my new MacBook pro when running windows ten via bootcamp... driver issue?

[Steve Matzura]

You are not the first person from whom I have heard about this problem. 
A friend of mine was on to Microsoft the other day, and they insist it's 
a bad Apple-provided driver. However, if you connect a USB audio 
interface to the Mac via a Thunderbolt-to-USB adapter cable, that device 
works and sounds just fine.



On 9/29/2018 12:06 AM, Cameron Strife wrote:

Hi everyone.

I have been doing forum searches and reading articles etc and can't
figure out what's going on here. If anybody has any tips, please let
me know! Thanks.

I recently sold my two older macs and bought a new 2018 MacBook pro
with ssd, six core processor, and 16 gigs of ram.

I do some things on the mac side and some on the windows side. I had
been using windows ten on my old iMac. I upgraded from my windows
seven install on that machine and did not have the issues I am about
to lay out here...

I ended up buying a windows ten license and doing a clean install,
setting up everything from scratch. I downloaded the latest version of
bootcamp the day I did the windows ten install.

With any sort of audio playback whether it be audio files through a
media player, screen reader output, audio streaming from a web site,
or good old system sounds, I can hear a noise gate even at low
volumes. This results in the first syllable of every word being cut
off with jaws or NVDA for example when navigating around or typing
etc. Also, everything is squashed. The amount of compression is un
freaking bearable! The odd thing is that with my old machine running
windows ten via the upgrade, I had no issues with audio playback. It
was fine. This... This is just a mess. I don't know what group of
people came to the conclusion that these features/settings were good
for anything under any circumstances.

I have music I am very familiar with and I use a nice set of Marintse
headphones. I know what they sound like normally and they do not sound
like this.

I am aware of the windows ten audio enhancement features that are
turned on by default. I've read all about that and know how to turn it
off. However, when I look in the properties dialogue box, I do not
have a tab called enhancements for the on board headphones or
speakers. According to everything I've read, this is where I need to
be to turn this garbage off but it's simply not here. I can't seem to
find a way to disable them via the command prompt or the registry
either. I do have a tab called spacial sound but even if it's off, it
makes no difference.

The audio on my mac OS partition is fine an I do not have these issues
with my focusrite saffire pro 40.

This leads me to believe that it may be a driver issue with this
version of bootcamp... If the drivers are the culprit however, why can
I not find a single reference to this missing tab?

And yes, I did uninstall the Apple headphones and speaker drivers. I
thought that when windows ten restarts, it may grab a generic driver
and that would solve the issue. No luck though! When I went back into
sound and then device manager, both were back!

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Cameron.



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Re: major audio issues on my new MacBook pro when running windows ten via bootcamp... driver issue?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Cameron!
I have a friend who has windows 10 and a focusright sound card.
He has other problems for example he has to  unplug and replug the soundcard 
evry now and then.
SO i guess its something with the card drivers.
Just a thought from my perspective.
Not sure why it wont let you install generic drivers.
/A

> 29 sep. 2018 kl. 06:06 skrev Cameron Strife :
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I have been doing forum searches and reading articles etc and can't
> figure out what's going on here. If anybody has any tips, please let
> me know! Thanks.
> 
> I recently sold my two older macs and bought a new 2018 MacBook pro
> with ssd, six core processor, and 16 gigs of ram.
> 
> I do some things on the mac side and some on the windows side. I had
> been using windows ten on my old iMac. I upgraded from my windows
> seven install on that machine and did not have the issues I am about
> to lay out here...
> 
> I ended up buying a windows ten license and doing a clean install,
> setting up everything from scratch. I downloaded the latest version of
> bootcamp the day I did the windows ten install.
> 
> With any sort of audio playback whether it be audio files through a
> media player, screen reader output, audio streaming from a web site,
> or good old system sounds, I can hear a noise gate even at low
> volumes. This results in the first syllable of every word being cut
> off with jaws or NVDA for example when navigating around or typing
> etc. Also, everything is squashed. The amount of compression is un
> freaking bearable! The odd thing is that with my old machine running
> windows ten via the upgrade, I had no issues with audio playback. It
> was fine. This... This is just a mess. I don't know what group of
> people came to the conclusion that these features/settings were good
> for anything under any circumstances.
> 
> I have music I am very familiar with and I use a nice set of Marintse
> headphones. I know what they sound like normally and they do not sound
> like this.
> 
> I am aware of the windows ten audio enhancement features that are
> turned on by default. I've read all about that and know how to turn it
> off. However, when I look in the properties dialogue box, I do not
> have a tab called enhancements for the on board headphones or
> speakers. According to everything I've read, this is where I need to
> be to turn this garbage off but it's simply not here. I can't seem to
> find a way to disable them via the command prompt or the registry
> either. I do have a tab called spacial sound but even if it's off, it
> makes no difference.
> 
> The audio on my mac OS partition is fine an I do not have these issues
> with my focusrite saffire pro 40.
> 
> This leads me to believe that it may be a driver issue with this
> version of bootcamp... If the drivers are the culprit however, why can
> I not find a single reference to this missing tab?
> 
> And yes, I did uninstall the Apple headphones and speaker drivers. I
> thought that when windows ten restarts, it may grab a generic driver
> and that would solve the issue. No luck though! When I went back into
> sound and then device manager, both were back!
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cameron.
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major audio issues on my new MacBook pro when running windows ten via bootcamp... driver issue?

[Cameron Strife]

Hi everyone.

I have been doing forum searches and reading articles etc and can't
figure out what's going on here. If anybody has any tips, please let
me know! Thanks.

I recently sold my two older macs and bought a new 2018 MacBook pro
with ssd, six core processor, and 16 gigs of ram.

I do some things on the mac side and some on the windows side. I had
been using windows ten on my old iMac. I upgraded from my windows
seven install on that machine and did not have the issues I am about
to lay out here...

I ended up buying a windows ten license and doing a clean install,
setting up everything from scratch. I downloaded the latest version of
bootcamp the day I did the windows ten install.

With any sort of audio playback whether it be audio files through a
media player, screen reader output, audio streaming from a web site,
or good old system sounds, I can hear a noise gate even at low
volumes. This results in the first syllable of every word being cut
off with jaws or NVDA for example when navigating around or typing
etc. Also, everything is squashed. The amount of compression is un
freaking bearable! The odd thing is that with my old machine running
windows ten via the upgrade, I had no issues with audio playback. It
was fine. This... This is just a mess. I don't know what group of
people came to the conclusion that these features/settings were good
for anything under any circumstances.

I have music I am very familiar with and I use a nice set of Marintse
headphones. I know what they sound like normally and they do not sound
like this.

I am aware of the windows ten audio enhancement features that are
turned on by default. I've read all about that and know how to turn it
off. However, when I look in the properties dialogue box, I do not
have a tab called enhancements for the on board headphones or
speakers. According to everything I've read, this is where I need to
be to turn this garbage off but it's simply not here. I can't seem to
find a way to disable them via the command prompt or the registry
either. I do have a tab called spacial sound but even if it's off, it
makes no difference.

The audio on my mac OS partition is fine an I do not have these issues
with my focusrite saffire pro 40.

This leads me to believe that it may be a driver issue with this
version of bootcamp... If the drivers are the culprit however, why can
I not find a single reference to this missing tab?

And yes, I did uninstall the Apple headphones and speaker drivers. I
thought that when windows ten restarts, it may grab a generic driver
and that would solve the issue. No luck though! When I went back into
sound and then device manager, both were back!

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Cameron.

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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[E.T.]

   I also prefer this approach, makes it less likely that I will be 
inadvertently thrown into the Mac environment by a misused keystroke.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/29/2018 12:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello,

I prefer to go a different direction.

I disable the universal Macintosh keystrokes like command-tab in the VM 
and make the VM view a Full screen view. When doing this, the only 
things that MacOS will interpret while in Windows are the Caps Lock and 
the VoiceOver commands which really only seem to block table navigation.



Then I can either press:
control-command followed by command-tab to switch back into Macintosh 
environment.
or use the three or 4  finger swipe left / right gestures from System 
Settings - trackpad  -  More Gestures


So when I go into the More gestures area and change those three finger 
swipe left/right to four finger swipe left/right I can easily swipe 
right to go to MacOS  and swipe left with four fingers to go to Windows.


HTH,


Jonathan Cohn

On May 29, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:


Command tab works just fine for me.

On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark > wrote:


Hello everyone,
I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have 
no experience using Fusion, and I could use some pointers on how I 
can move back and forth between High Sierra and Windows. Other 
suggestions from experienced Fusion users would be very appreciated. 
Thanks in advance.

Dennis

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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I prefer to go a different direction.

I disable the universal Macintosh keystrokes like command-tab in the VM and 
make the VM view a Full screen view. When doing this, the only things that 
MacOS will interpret while in Windows are the Caps Lock and the VoiceOver 
commands which really only seem to block table navigation. 


Then I can either press:
control-command followed by command-tab to switch back into Macintosh 
environment.
or use the three or 4  finger swipe left / right gestures from System Settings 
- trackpad  -  More Gestures

So when I go into the More gestures area and change those three finger swipe 
left/right to four finger swipe left/right I can easily swipe right to go to 
MacOS  and swipe left with four fingers to go to Windows.

HTH,


Jonathan Cohn 
 
> On May 29, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Command tab works just fine for me.
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have no 
>> experience using Fusion, and I could use some pointers on how I can move 
>> back and forth between High Sierra and Windows. Other suggestions from 
>> experienced Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Dennis
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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

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Hi
I also use command tab to jump between Mac OS and Fusion.

> On 29 May 2018, at 19:24, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Command tab works just fine for me.
> 
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>> Dennis
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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[Kliphton Miller]

Command tab works just fine for me.

> On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark  wrote:
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> I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have no 
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> Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> Dennis
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Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[Dennis Clark]

Hello everyone,
I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have no 
experience using Fusion, and I could use some pointers on how I can move back 
and forth between High Sierra and Windows. Other suggestions from experienced 
Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

The original question has not been answered, so I am going to attempt to 
restate it.

In bootcamp (no virtual machine software here) it is wanted for the Macintosh 
keyboard to behave more like the US-English Windows keyboard. 

I have never looked into this personally, I just plugin a Windows keyboard and 
use that when doing significant work in a Windows environment. I understand a 
few people on this list have used sharp keys can this actively re-map modifier 
keys and change a modifier key (right option) into the Windows contextual menu 
key.

I would think with all the internationalization support that modern operating 
systems must support that there should be a good and robust way to dredefine 
and install a different keymap not only for Macintosh but for Windows. I would 
expect that there would be some demand for this in the overall bootcamp user 
base and not just in the blind community.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 18, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Vm fusion, 
> Virtual box,
> Parallels if you have usable sight,
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac
> 
> from what i can recall that all you have to do is remember which key is which 
> key and you should be good to go.
> 
> On the topic of boot ing into windows on a mac what other options are there 
> besides bootcamp?
> 
> 
> On 3/17/2017 5:34 PM, Brian Howerton wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>> I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
>> operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on 
>> my laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows 
>> key and my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I 
>> would love my right option key to become my applications key if possible.  
>> Thanks for any help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to 
>> windows, because I definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side. 
>>  Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
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RE: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Vm fusion, 
Virtual box,
 Parallels if you have usable sight,


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Subject: Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

from what i can recall that all you have to do is remember which key is which 
key and you should be good to go.

On the topic of boot ing into windows on a mac what other options are there 
besides bootcamp?


On 3/17/2017 5:34 PM, Brian Howerton wrote:
> Hello folks,
> I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
> operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on 
> my laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows 
> key and my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I 
> would love my right option key to become my applications key if possible.  
> Thanks for any help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to 
> windows, because I definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side.  
> Thanks,
> Brian
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RE: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Can I ask why you'd want to do this?

 

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Subject: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

Hello folks,
I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on my 
laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows key and 
my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I would love my 
right option key to become my applications key if possible.  Thanks for any 
help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to windows, because I 
definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side.  Thanks, Brian

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Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Jerry Mader]

I have a question. Is there anyone who want to help me or is there any one who 
wouldn't mind instructing me on how to install the virtual machine for Windows 
on my Mac. I'm using VMware fusion and I'm using 7.5 I think. And I'm trying to 
do the easy and strawberry never pops up. Is there anyone who wouldn't mind 
helping me fix this because I do need windows on my machine so I can run 
StationPlaylist studio on it and creator. They do not make a version of this 
programs for the Mac. And I've even contacted the developer and he doesn't plan 
on ever making any. So my question is what can I do. I've heard of crossover 
does anyone know how well that works? As far as with voice over how old is 
crossover work? Thanks. Jerry Mader

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> On Mar 17, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Vmware is one good working option.
> THen you have paralells desktop but it doesn’t work for us blind.
> /A
>> 17 mars 2017 kl. 23:57 skrev Singing Sparrow :
>> 
>> from what i can recall that all you have to do is remember which key is 
>> which key and you should be good to go.
>> 
>> On the topic of boot ing into windows on a mac what other options are there 
>> besides bootcamp?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/17/2017 5:34 PM, Brian Howerton wrote:
>>> Hello folks,
>>> I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
>>> operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys 
>>> on my laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my 
>>> windows key and my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is 
>>> possible, I would love my right option key to become my applications key if 
>>> possible.  Thanks for any help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted 
>>> in to windows, because I definitely don’t want anything to change on the 
>>> mac side.  Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> 
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Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Vmware is one good working option.
THen you have paralells desktop but it doesn’t work for us blind.
/A
> 17 mars 2017 kl. 23:57 skrev Singing Sparrow :
> 
> from what i can recall that all you have to do is remember which key is which 
> key and you should be good to go.
> 
> On the topic of boot ing into windows on a mac what other options are there 
> besides bootcamp?
> 
> 
> On 3/17/2017 5:34 PM, Brian Howerton wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>> I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
>> operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on 
>> my laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows 
>> key and my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I 
>> would love my right option key to become my applications key if possible.  
>> Thanks for any help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to 
>> windows, because I definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side. 
>>  Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
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Re: keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Singing Sparrow]

from what i can recall that all you have to do is remember which key is 
which key and you should be good to go.


On the topic of boot ing into windows on a mac what other options are 
there besides bootcamp?



On 3/17/2017 5:34 PM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Hello folks,
I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on my 
laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows key and 
my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I would love my 
right option key to become my applications key if possible.  Thanks for any 
help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to windows, because I 
definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side.  Thanks,
Brian



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keyboard question about running windows on my mac

[Brian Howerton]

Hello folks,
I have installed windows on my mac using boot camp so that I can use both 
operating systems.  When in windows, is there a way that I can remap keys on my 
laptop keyboard so that in windows, my option key can become my windows key and 
my command key can become my alt key?  Also if it is possible, I would love my 
right option key to become my applications key if possible.  Thanks for any 
help.  Also, does this only work when I am booted in to windows, because I 
definitely don’t want anything to change on the mac side.  Thanks,
Brian

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Running Windows 10 in Fusion on macbooks with touch bar

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

How do people find running windows in VMWare Fusion on the newest macbook pros 
with touchbar?  Is it still possible to do given that the physical function 
keys are no longer present?

Many thanks

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using a wireless windows keyboard on a mac running windows

[Rhonda Partain]

Hey for any of you running Windows on a Mac with VM or bootcamp, can I use a
wireless windows keyboard when I am using Windows?
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Re: using a wireless windows keyboard on a mac running windows

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I think one way to do it would be to connect a bluetooth or the bluetooth 
adapter to the windows virtual image and then pair with that your windows 
keyboard.  Not sure the implications though if you are using bluetooth on the 
Mac side other than you’ll probably lose that.

I do not know what happens if you pair windows keyboards directly with the Mac. 
 Suspect they work button sure how well.

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> Thanks.
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RE: using a wireless windows keyboard on a mac running windows

[Rhonda Partain]

There are just some keys used in windows not available on the mac keyboard.
Thanks.
Rhonda
 
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I think one way to do it would be to connect a bluetooth or the bluetooth 
adapter to the windows virtual image and then pair with that your windows 
keyboard.  Not sure the implications though if you are using bluetooth on the 
Mac side other than you’ll probably lose that.
 
I do not know what happens if you pair windows keyboards directly with the Mac. 
 Suspect they work button sure how well.
 
On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Rhonda Partain <rhonda.part...@att.net> wrote:
 
Hey for any of you running Windows on a Mac with VM or bootcamp, can I use a 
wireless windows keyboard when I am using Windows?
Thanks.
Rhonda
 
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RE: using a wireless windows keyboard on a mac running windows

[Simon Fogarty]

Yesto both.

If the keyboard has a wireless usb dongle for the connection then you will have 
to tell the vm software to connect it to the vm rther the  than the mac. Then 
it should just work as normal

If your using bootcamp then connect the laptop and use the keyboard

If it’s Bluetooth then under bootcamp there should be a bootcamp Bluetooth 
option

I’ve used both a windows keyboard and an apple keyboard both through bootcamp 
and vm ware fusion. And they work fine.

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Hey for any of you running Windows on a Mac with VM or bootcamp, can I use a 
wireless windows keyboard when I am using Windows?

Thanks.

Rhonda
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There are but no accessible way from what i know.
/A
> 1 okt. 2015 kl. 06:50 skrev Singing Sparrow :
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> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
> windows?
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

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Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Singing Sparrow]

what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

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You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as I 
understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.

Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
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> what about whine?
> 
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>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

You could also try Crossover which tries to run Windows apps without 
Windows by mapping all the Windows APIs to Mac APIs. It's built on Wine. 
I don't know how accessible it is but they have a free trial so you 
could give it a whirl.


https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-mac/

A bit about their support of the Wine project:

https://www.codeweavers.com/about/support_wine/

CB

On 10/1/15 10:46 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem is. 
Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be running 
at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question isn't 
self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least that is 
what i read on the program.

On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Singing Sparrow]

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


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Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Alex Hall]

An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem is. 
Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be running 
at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question isn't 
self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least that 
> is what i read on the program.
> 
> On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.
>> 
>> Chris.
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>> Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.
>> 
>> 
>>> what about whine?
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

There is a macport, but to run the windows app plus a screen reader for 
Windows that would allow it to speak accessibly is pretty much a nogo.


Chris.

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You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as 
I understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.


Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> 
wrote:


what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

I was going to say. You're not going to really get anything good out of this. 
The best solution honestly is a virtual environment. Getting it to work with 
Wine might be doable, but finding out whether an application will work with 
Wine, then tweaking it to work correctly is incredibly tedious. I've found 
through personal experience that most of the time, if it isn't in the Wine 
AppDB, it isn't worth the effort.

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There is a macport, but to run the windows app plus a screen reader for 
> Windows that would allow it to speak accessibly is pretty much a nogo.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.
> 
> 
> You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as I 
> understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
> virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.
> 
> Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> what about whine?
>> 
>> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>>> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
>>>> windows?
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Toldja.

Chris.

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An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem 
is. Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be 
running at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question 
isn't self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK then, let  someone else chime in and correct me wrong.

Chris.

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strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

WINE would be just the thing for audiogames, if anybody has figured out how to 
actually do it.  I’ve never got it to work.

There are tools such as WineBottler and WineSkin that can help you wrap Windows 
binaries plus dependencies inside an app package.  In theory they should work 
for such applications.  I’ve never got it to work, even though they don’t make 
any system-wide changes and are entirely self-contained.

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Running windows programs on the mac.

[Singing Sparrow]

Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

no. 
> On 01 Oct 2015, at 6:50 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
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> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
> windows?
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running Windows on a Mac

[Juliette Swiler]

Hi,
I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under Windows, 
how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want to seem to 
work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the laptops 
offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have even tried 
the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to say caps lock 
on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in windows is not 
executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.

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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Phil Halton]

the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a more 
low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have access to 
that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on the mac via 
bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to act as either an 
insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader to use insert or caps 
lock as its modifier key.

What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act as a 
caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under windows to 
remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do what the other 
key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an caps lock  
key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I can 
get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.
It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go is 
to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using fusion 
and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running windows.

In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.

Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.
  
Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size apple 
keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you want to 
work in windows.

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 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
 say caps lock on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in 
 windows is not executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Brent Harding]

Hmmm, did they change this in more recent Mac hardware? I have an older mac 
that I run XP boot camped on, and JFW commands with caps lock works fine. 
This is in boot camp, and things might not work that way in fusion or on 
newer hardware.


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To: Macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: running Windows on a Mac


the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a 
more low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have 
access to that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on 
the mac via bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to 
act as either an insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader 
to use insert or caps lock as its modifier key.


What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act 
as a caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under 
windows to remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do 
what the other key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an 
caps lock

key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I 
can get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.

It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go 
is to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using 
fusion and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running 
windows.


In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.


Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.


Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size 
apple keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you 
want to work in windows.


On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:


Hi,
I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t 
want to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t 
think the laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a 
laptop? I have even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both 
screen readers seem to say caps lock on or off at the same time and 
therefore the keystroke in windows is not executed. Any help with this 
would be appreciated.


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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Grant Hardy]

Yes, agreed. When using Boot Camp, Windows has complete control of the keyboard 
so the caps lock key works absolutely fine for screen reading commands. The 
only issues would be when using software like Fusion or VMWare to run Windows 
in a virtual machine.

Grant

On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote:

Hmmm, did they change this in more recent Mac hardware? I have an older mac 
that I run XP boot camped on, and JFW commands with caps lock works fine. This 
is in boot camp, and things might not work that way in fusion or on newer 
hardware.

- Original Message - From: Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: running Windows on a Mac


the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a more 
low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have access to 
that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on the mac via 
bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to act as either an 
insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader to use insert or caps 
lock as its modifier key.

What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act as a 
caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under windows to 
remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do what the other 
key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an caps lock
key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I can 
get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.
It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go is 
to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using fusion 
and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running windows.

In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.

Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.

Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size apple 
keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you want to 
work in windows.

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 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
 say caps lock on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in 
 windows is not executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[christopher hallsworth]

You will have to somehow remap the caps lock key to a key on your mac such as 
the accent key.
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:20, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
 say caps lock on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in 
 windows is not executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.
 
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okay, let me be more clear. I'm currently running windows seven as a virtual window. But I'm thinking of changing dad and using Boot Camp. So if I get rid of that the that is the virtual window, would

[denise avant]

Denise R. avant
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Live the life you want
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 On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Probably the most cryptic message I've seen in a while.
 Uninstall and then reinstall what? VMWare? bootcamp? What specifically are 
 you asking?
 If you're thinking of getting rid of VMWare, and going for a bootcamp 
 installation of windows7 instead, then how does this message make any sense?
 Maybe it's me, I don't know.
 BTW: I don't think you'll see any improvement in windows performance by 
 switching to a bootcamp installation over that of Fusion, but it's your 
 choice.
 
 
 
 On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:00 AM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I am thinking about bootcamping the mac. I have windows 7 already on the mac 
 because I am running vmware fusion. I actually plan to uninstall vmware. If 
 I want to get through windows via bootcamp, would I have to uninstall and 
 then reinstall. Thanks.
 
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Re: okay, let me be more clear. I'm currently running windows seven as a virtual window. But I'm thinking of changing dad and using Boot Camp. So if I get rid of that the that is the virtual window, w

[Phil Halton]

Now I understand your question. I believe if you do not uninstall windows first 
then you will lose your authorization key and will have to buy another one when 
you try to install under Boot Camp. Remember you have one license key for that 
copy and you somehow have to ensure that it doesn't get lost because you'll 
need it when you reinstall to Boot Camp. Sorry if this is  not very clear. I 
just walked for an hour and I'm a little tired trying now to think of this 
answer.

Again, I would first try to D authorize your fusion installation of windows 
before eliminating it and then it should be available when you install lin Boot 
Camp A little Google research will probably give you a more definitive answer. 
Good luck.

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 On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:51 AM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Denise R. avant
 1st Vice President
 National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
 Live the life you want
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Probably the most cryptic message I've seen in a while.
 Uninstall and then reinstall what? VMWare? bootcamp? What specifically are 
 you asking?
 If you're thinking of getting rid of VMWare, and going for a bootcamp 
 installation of windows7 instead, then how does this message make any sense?
 Maybe it's me, I don't know.
 BTW: I don't think you'll see any improvement in windows performance by 
 switching to a bootcamp installation over that of Fusion, but it's your 
 choice.
 
 
 
 On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:00 AM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I am thinking about bootcamping the mac. I have windows 7 already on the 
 mac because I am running vmware fusion. I actually plan to uninstall 
 vmware. If I want to get through windows via bootcamp, would I have to 
 uninstall and then reinstall. Thanks.
 
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running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Justin Mann]

Hi all,

I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and 
requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a virtual 
machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to create the Vm, 
but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is located?  This 
away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have mounted.  
Thanks for any help you can offer,
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Tristan]

Hi Justin,
You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Justin Mann]

Hi there,

I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to get 
the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I should do 
as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook air could 
handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb of ram.
Thanks,

On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.
 
 
 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Tristan]

I'm running an i7 MacBook air with 8 gigs of RAM, and the Air handles
Windows better than any of my high end dedicated Windows laptops ever
had. I dedicate one core to Windows and 4 gigs of RAM while it's
running, leaving 4 gigs and the other Core for the Mac.
I use a combination of  Karabiner (Previously keyRemap4Macbook), Siel
(Previously known as PcKeyboardHack), and Sharp Keys in the actual VM.
If you want more information, I can help you off list. I have a setup
where my Windows, alt and ctrl keys are all set up to a PC layout
inside the VM only, and my capslock routes to the insert key for
JAWS/NVDA. I also have it set so I can use capslock as the VO modifier
(ctrl+option), which is easier in some cases, but not all.
The key remapping process can be rather extensive, so again, if you
want to use the layout I described, shoot me an email off list.
Hope this helps.



On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there,

 I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to
 get the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I
 should do as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook
 air could handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb
 of ram.
 Thanks,

 On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm
 is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I
 have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
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Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

[George Cassell]

If one were to run Windows on a MacBook Air, would that copy of Windows, and 
it's host computer, still be vulnerable to the viruses and other malware that 
currently infests the world of Windows computers, thus requiring all that 
system protection that doesn't seem to really work anyway?
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Re: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, of course! Windows is still Windows wherever it is! However, if you have 
good Windows protection it is not inevitable that you have viruses; you just 
have to be vigilant and keep up-to-date. Also remember that one can not afford 
to be unprotected on the Mac opperating system either.

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The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




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Re: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

More specifically, while a virtualized instance of Windows is just as 
suceptible to viruses and Windows running on a real box, how that 
overflows to your Mac depends on how much access to your Mac you give 
Windows. I don't give Windows direct access to my Mac's drive as usually 
being able to cut and paste between the two worlds does what I need. You 
can also set it up where you can copy files from the Mac to the PC and 
back. While PC viruses in files moved to your Mac won't effect your Mac, 
you might pass them along to another Windows user who will care. Also, 
while few voiceover users will care about Office for Mac because of its 
near total inaccessibility, any Word macro viruses are, by definition, 
cross-platform. So if you do use Word on the Mac you probably should 
have your files scanned just in case.


CB

On 6/18/14, 9:30 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Yes, of course! Windows is still Windows wherever it is! However, if 
you have good Windows protection it is not inevitable that you have 
viruses; you just have to be vigilant and keep up-to-date. Also 
remember that one can not afford to be unprotected on the Mac 
opperating system either.


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This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




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If one were to run Windows on a MacBook Air, would that copy of 
Windows, and it's host computer, still be vulnerable to the viruses 
and other malware that currently infests the world of Windows 
computers, thus requiring all that system protection that doesn't 
seem to really work anyway?

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RE: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

 

I am using Win 8 in bootcamp and treating this portion of my MBA as though I 
was running a stand-a-lone Windows machine. That said, I have installed Nod-32 
antivirus because of the nature of Windows having the potential of catching a 
virus. I have been there and done that, so I don’t want to bring this machine 
down or have to reformat it. JMO. 

 

Eileen 

 

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Subject: Re: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

 

More specifically, while a virtualized instance of Windows is just as 
suceptible to viruses and Windows running on a real box, how that overflows to 
your Mac depends on how much access to your Mac you give Windows. I don't give 
Windows direct access to my Mac's drive as usually being able to cut and paste 
between the two worlds does what I need. You can also set it up where you can 
copy files from the Mac to the PC and back. While PC viruses in files moved to 
your Mac won't effect your Mac, you might pass them along to another Windows 
user who will care. Also, while few voiceover users will care about Office for 
Mac because of its near total inaccessibility, any Word macro viruses are, by 
definition, cross-platform. So if you do use Word on the Mac you probably 
should have your files scanned just in case. 

CB

On 6/18/14, 9:30 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

Yes, of course! Windows is still Windows wherever it is! However, if you have 
good Windows protection it is not inevitable that you have viruses; you just 
have to be vigilant and keep up-to-date. Also remember that one can not afford 
to be unprotected on the Mac opperating system either. 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Jun 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, George Cassell apollose...@earthlink.net wrote:





If one were to run Windows on a MacBook Air, would that copy of Windows, and 
it's host computer, still be vulnerable to the viruses and other malware that 
currently infests the world of Windows computers, thus requiring all that 
system protection that doesn't seem to really work anyway?

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Re: running Windows on a Mac

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Curious where the memory requirements info came from? I have a stock 
Dell Windows 7 box which uses 2.15GB with no apps running while my Mac 
Pro Mavericks box with no apps running takes 1.8GB. Maybe my own 
machines are somehow unusual so I'd be curious where you found out about 
Windows taking less memory. To me they seem pretty similar.


CB

On 6/14/14, 7:59 AM, Kevin Barry wrote:

Certainly.
Either way.
Windows actually requires less memory than does OS x.

At 09:54 PM 6/13/2014, you wrote:
I am trying to find out if a Mac Book Air would have enough memory to 
run windows either with boot camp or fusion? Thanks.


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Re: question about running Windows on a Mac

[Tom Moore]

Hi,
The phone you may be making backups are will eat up some space.
Both methods of running windows should work fine but using vmware there are 
some extra features you can get such as version control by either copying the 
machine's files to another drive if you want to keep a clean version before you 
play with to use as a base and the time machine backups that the mac will use 
to keep you save day to day.

Tom


 On Jun 14, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I recently installedWin8 on a MBA that has 8 GB of RAM using an Intel 7 
 processor in bootcamp. I'm running ML and it's definitely the fastest PC I 
 have ever had. I have solved a couple of issues such as sharing files/folders 
 using One Drive or Dropbox and setting up the default startup or boot into 
 Windows first. I find it easier through the bootcamp control panel to restart 
 back into the Mac. I do have a small utility program called Bootcham to 
 handle the ease of switching between the 2 operating systems, but it seems 
 like there maybe something in ML that is conflicting with the program. This 
 pqogram seems to work well in Mavericks. The only thing I wish I did was to 
 allocate a little more disk space in the setup of bootcamp. I thought 100 GB 
 for ROM would be enough, but with the installation of the following, it took 
 almost 40 GB. I installed JAWS Openbook, Kurzweil, Duxbury, Office 2010, 
 Dropbox, One Drive, Skype, Zello, my printer/soffware, and I think that's it. 
 Oh! Of course, iTunes to handle the iPhone) I hope this gives you an idea of 
 the amount of disk space and that like other who have responded, ar enjoying 
 the best of 2 worlds.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm running a VM of Windows 7 SP 1 on a MacBook air i7 (1.7 GHZ, 8 gig ram) 
 and it is blazing fast. I have never seen Windows operate so sleekly, even 
 on high-end laptop PC's. Switching between Fusion and Mac is a breeze.
 I agree with Chris. Right now, I have 4 gb of RAM allocated to Windows, 
 leaving 4 for Mac and I get no slowdowns. 4 GB only can be a little tight. 
 It's more expensive, but take into consideration that the MacBook Air line 
 is at the cheapest it's ever been. Also, investing so much in a MacBook 
 means that you want it to last (or I'm hoping you do!). RAM is soldered onto 
 the logic board, so there's no feasible way to upgrade it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
 Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 11:30 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: question about running Windows on a Mac
 
 No reason why not. The Air comes with a minimum of an i5 Intel processor 
 which is pretty speedy. In some ways, a Mac can make for a nicer Windows 
 laptop than some purpose-built Windows hardware. That said, I'd bump up the 
 RAM if you can. 4GB is going to be a bit tight if you want to allocate 2GB 
 or so to Windows in a VMWare Fusion setup. I have a MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM 
 and that feels much more comfy. From what I can tell, Windows beats on hard 
 drives and folks I know running VMWare on SSD have a much faster 
 performance. As far as ways to run Windows, Fusion or BootCamp are the main 
 methods. You can fiddle with the free Virtualbox but you'll get there sooner 
 with Fusion. Asking about Fusion v. Bootcamp will get you a lot of opinions 
 wither way. Bootcamp lets you get the full speed of your hardware but you 
 have to reboot to get back to the Mac, making it harder to integrate stuff 
 from both platforms. VMWare adds a layer of goo for Windows to ride on top 
 of which slows down performance, but at least you can copy/paste between the 
 two worlds and, when you don't need Windows, you just quit vmware.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/13/14, 10:44 PM, Juliette wrote:
 I am interested in getting a Mac Book Air, but was wondering if this 
 would have enough power to run Windows. Also, is it still relevant 
 that you can only run Windows either from Boot Camp or Fusion?
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: question about running Windows on a Mac

[Tom Moore]

Hi,
As you know this list is not for that sort of thing.
Only thing I will say is that when you install windows with out a key you can 
use it for 30 days before you register.
I do this for testing purposes when doing custom install, development, etc, but 
this is not how one should run it in a production environment.

Tom


 On Jun 15, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hello can i install a crack version of windows 7 on my mbp? and how could i 
 do that? because i use windows for crack files like jaws and microsoft office
 
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Re: question about running Windows on a Mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I recently installedWin8 on a MBA that has 8 GB of RAM using an Intel 7 
processor in bootcamp. I'm running ML and it's definitely the fastest PC I have 
ever had. I have solved a couple of issues such as sharing files/folders using 
One Drive or Dropbox and setting up the default startup or boot into Windows 
first. I find it easier through the bootcamp control panel to restart back into 
the Mac. I do have a small utility program called Bootcham to handle the ease 
of switching between the 2 operating systems, but it seems like there maybe 
something in ML that is conflicting with the program. This pqogram seems to 
work well in Mavericks. The only thing I wish I did was to allocate a little 
more disk space in the setup of bootcamp. I thought 100 GB for ROM would be 
enough, but with the installation of the following, it took almost 40 GB. I 
installed JAWS Openbook, Kurzweil, Duxbury, Office 2010, Dropbox, One Drive, 
Skype, Zello, my printer/soffware, and I think that's it. Oh! Of course, iTunes 
to handle the iPhone) I hope this gives you an idea of the amount of disk space 
and that like other who have responded, ar enjoying the best of 2 worlds.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm running a VM of Windows 7 SP 1 on a MacBook air i7 (1.7 GHZ, 8 gig ram) 
 and it is blazing fast. I have never seen Windows operate so sleekly, even on 
 high-end laptop PC's. Switching between Fusion and Mac is a breeze.
 I agree with Chris. Right now, I have 4 gb of RAM allocated to Windows, 
 leaving 4 for Mac and I get no slowdowns. 4 GB only can be a little tight. 
 It's more expensive, but take into consideration that the MacBook Air line is 
 at the cheapest it's ever been. Also, investing so much in a MacBook means 
 that you want it to last (or I'm hoping you do!). RAM is soldered onto the 
 logic board, so there's no feasible way to upgrade it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
 Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 11:30 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: question about running Windows on a Mac
 
 No reason why not. The Air comes with a minimum of an i5 Intel processor 
 which is pretty speedy. In some ways, a Mac can make for a nicer Windows 
 laptop than some purpose-built Windows hardware. That said, I'd bump up the 
 RAM if you can. 4GB is going to be a bit tight if you want to allocate 2GB or 
 so to Windows in a VMWare Fusion setup. I have a MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM and 
 that feels much more comfy. From what I can tell, Windows beats on hard 
 drives and folks I know running VMWare on SSD have a much faster performance. 
 As far as ways to run Windows, Fusion or BootCamp are the main methods. You 
 can fiddle with the free Virtualbox but you'll get there sooner with Fusion. 
 Asking about Fusion v. Bootcamp will get you a lot of opinions wither way. 
 Bootcamp lets you get the full speed of your hardware but you have to reboot 
 to get back to the Mac, making it harder to integrate stuff from both 
 platforms. VMWare adds a layer of goo for Windows to ride on top of which 
 slows down performance, but at least you can copy/paste between the two 
 worlds and, when you don't need Windows, you just quit vmware.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/13/14, 10:44 PM, Juliette wrote:
 I am interested in getting a Mac Book Air, but was wondering if this 
 would have enough power to run Windows. Also, is it still relevant 
 that you can only run Windows either from Boot Camp or Fusion?
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Kevin Barry]

Certainly.
Either way.
Windows actually requires less  memory than does OS x.

At 09:54 PM 6/13/2014, you wrote:
I am trying to find out if a Mac Book Air would have enough memory 
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Re: question about running Windows on a Mac

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

hello can i install a crack version of windows 7 on my mbp? and how could i do 
that? because i use windows for crack files like jaws and microsoft office

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running Windows on a Mac

[Juliette]

I am trying to find out if a Mac Book Air would have enough memory to 
run windows either with boot camp or fusion? Thanks.


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