Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes I do, I just find it easier to type on but then I’m unusual in that respect.

> On 28/06/2020, at 21:01, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> You also find the butterfly keyboard ok as well?
>  
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> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>  
> Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the 
> physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too 
> accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver 
> isn’t so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that 
> sighted users are accidentally touching the escape key quite a lot. I think 
> that’s why they changed it back to a button.
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2020, at 15:37, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
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> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
> 
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> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
> I can get.
> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> Any ideas on which model to look for.
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Greg,

To raise or lower the volume on your new MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, try using 
VO and the minus/equal keys, located immediately to the left of the backspace 
key.

HTH

- Brad -

On Jun 28, 2020, at 11:22, Greg Wocher  wrote:

Hello,
The only issue I am reading about with the new MacBook airs is that they run 
hot. Especially with the i7 versions. This is why I recently purchased the 13 
inch MacBook Pro. I got the version with the 10th gen quad core i5, 16gigs of 
ram and a 1TB SSD. It is running very well. I am a little iffy on the Touch 
Bar. Its not hard to use, it just makes certain things a bit more difficult to 
do. For example raising or lowering the volume takes several double taps to 
perform. I do really like the new keyboards. They are nice and quiet with good 
separation between the keys.

Greg Wocher

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You will manage with an Air i think.
> And a good usb hub.
> /A
> 
>>> 27 juni 2020 kl. 18:38 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>> 
>> Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
>> I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>> 
>> If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>> processor in the Air.
>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>> your money.
>>> - Brad -
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly 
>>> learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>> 
>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>> I can get.
>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The only issue I am reading about with the new MacBook airs is that they run 
hot. Especially with the i7 versions. This is why I recently purchased the 13 
inch MacBook Pro. I got the version with the 10th gen quad core i5, 16gigs of 
ram and a 1TB SSD. It is running very well. I am a little iffy on the Touch 
Bar. Its not hard to use, it just makes certain things a bit more difficult to 
do. For example raising or lowering the volume takes several double taps to 
perform. I do really like the new keyboards. They are nice and quiet with good 
separation between the keys.

Greg Wocher

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You will manage with an Air i think.
> And a good usb hub.
> /A
> 
>> 27 juni 2020 kl. 18:38 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>>  Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
>> I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>> 
>>  If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>> processor in the Air.
>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>> your money.
>>> - Brad -
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly 
>>> learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>> 
>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>> I can get.
>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You will manage with an Air i think.
And a good usb hub.
/A

> 27 juni 2020 kl. 18:38 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
>   Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
> I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
> 
>   If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>> processor in the Air.
>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   If 
>> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
>> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
>> money.
>> - Brad -
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines > <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
>> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
>> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
>> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be 
>> able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation 
>> software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning 
>> to live with it. Very best wall.
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>> 
>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>> I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Unless you do very heavy gaming or picture or video work you can just go for a 
macbook Air.
I would do that but i would get more space than the standard.
/A

> 27 juni 2020 kl. 05:41 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Andy,
>  
> Why do you need a pro?
>  
> I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
> liked it.
>  
> It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
> 2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
> And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.
>  
> Otherwise a great little device.
> Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now 
> days.
>  
> From: 'andrew' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: whitch Macbook pro
>  
> Hi all.
>  
> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>  
> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can 
> get.
>  
> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>  
> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>  
> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
>  
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Don't ask as it's kind of scary 



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:48 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Actually Donna, your posts generate a question...perhaps one worth its own 
thread.
Just how many devices do most of you own?
Kare



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about 
> replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
> silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need 
> to replace it now.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>
>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>> processor in the Air.
>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
>> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
>> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
>> money.
>>
>> - Brad -
>>
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
>> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
>> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
>> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be 
>> able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation 
>> software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning 
>> to live with it. Very best wall.
>>
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi ET,
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>
>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>> I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

You also find the butterfly keyboard ok as well?

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Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:03 AM
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Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the 
physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too 
accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver isn’t 
so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that sighted 
users are accidentally touching the escape key quite a lot. I think that’s why 
they changed it back to a button.


On 27/06/2020, at 15:37, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



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   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

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On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

The 2020 mba now have the new keyboard which is not the butterfly,

I believe the pros now have the newer keyboard also.

That started I believe with the 16" mac book pro devices last year.



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Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
about.

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On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
> 
>If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> true?
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>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>> processor in the Air.
>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   If 
>> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
>> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
>> money.
>> - Brad -
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines > <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
>> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
>> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
>> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be 
>> able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation 
>> software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning 
>> to live with it. Very best wall.
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi ET,
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a 
>>> mac book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with 
>>> it,
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>>
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>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's 
>>>> as I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Brad,

The new 2020 have 2 but both on left edge where ac power was.
Headphone jack is on the right hand edge at back corner.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 3:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

MacBook Airs have 2 USB-C ports.  One on each side.  Except for the headphone 
port, there are no other ports on the Air.

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,

I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that 
when I replace this MacBook Pro, it will probably be with an Air. I'm very meh 
about the Pro, but I absolutely loved my Air.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna.

I'd agree with you 100% .  Why use up a perfectly good USB  which you may 
rarely use.

Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number 
of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me.

I love the Apple External full-size USB keyboard, so there is a USB used up 
immediately and my External USB drive is another.  So I need more than 2 USB'S

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which I 
rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So that 
DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I would 
never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste of a 
perfectly good USB port.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne





On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.


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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Janina
2 in the one I was using.
Usb-C on the back left hand edge,

Note that one of those USB-C ports is also for power as well.

I highly recommend a Usb-C hub if you can as they normally have power pass 
through


From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 3:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Andy,

I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that 
when I replace this MacBook Pro, it will probably be with an Air. I'm very meh 
about the Pro, but I absolutely loved my Air.
Cheers,
Donna



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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna.

I'd agree with you 100% .  Why use up a perfectly good USB  which you may 
rarely use.

Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number 
of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me.

I love the Apple External full-size USB keyboard, so there is a USB used up 
immediately and my External USB drive is another.  So I need more than 2 USB'S

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which I 
rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So that 
DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I would 
never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste of a 
perfectly good USB port.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne





On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.


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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

You could get a usb DvD drive and connect that to a USb hub or USB-C hub so you 
have only one connection to the computer and everything is connected to the hub 
such as the keyboard and mouse ethernet etc.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 2:24 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
Dave Carlson
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Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne





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Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.


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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

And as for the function keys,

I believe there is a way to use the number row as function keys
But I never spent enough time working with that type of machine to try that 
function.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

I would add that I also use an MBP with a touch bar. I’ve gotten used to it, 
but I’m not really a fan. I love how it’s contextualized, but I almost always 
have to tap it three or four times to get it to activate. Overall, I would say 
using the touch bar is slower than using function keys. I’m seriously 
considering going back to the Air just to get function keys back.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:37 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi July.
> 
> I hate my Phone.  I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough 
> time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency 
> cover when in town.  Bit of a waste eh?  I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it has 
> a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use a full size apple 
> keyboard.  So I'm not sure at all about the Air.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "Julie Rattray" 
> 
> To: "'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:05 AM
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
> 
>> Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with 
>> certain tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to it 
>> is not really to difficult.
>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a 
>>> mac book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with 
>>> it,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>> 
>>>   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's 
>>>> as I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry yes Andrew
Anne is correct,
There is no optical drive in any of the mac computers now.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne





On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.

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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I wish I had have waited til now rather than purchasing a 2018 MBP 13”
I’m really not a fan of the butterfly keyboards,

Not to mention the new devices seem to be a smaller size yet keep the same 
screen size,

The 2020 mac book air I was working with wasn’t allot larger than my 2013 11” 
mac book air,

About a centermeter longer,
And about 4 centermeters deeper,

Shame about the lower speed processor they have put in them.

I5 1.1GHz quad core
Or
An I7 1.4GHz quad core

Still they are quick.

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Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:59 PM
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Good to hear about that butterfly keyboard. Not happy with it. Maybe a good 
reason to upgrade to the latest MBP...
Dave Carlson
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

Yes I actually prefer the older machines that I could rplace the ram and HDD / 
ssd to larger sizes  but oh well all those times have gone.

And thanks,
We’ve had a few cases turn up over the last couple of weeks but we’re doing 
pretty well.

I personally think we’ve done well and had great governance and guidance from 
our PM and her team regarding what to do and when to do it.

It’s been a real team effort from the entire country.

If only the opposing parties in the government would stop the petty bullshit 
and start helping get the country back on it’s feet
Things would be perfect.

But that’s politics

And cheers again from the NZ nation.
From: 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 9:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.

My 2013 Macbook Pro has a decent keyboard as the keys are quite distinctive.

I use an external full size keyboard because it has a full numeric keypad and 
it has about 3 USB'S.  It's very sturdy and feels so nice and smoove.

I was only thinking of jumping up to something a little fresher and of course, 
I'll still get a couple of hundred for my old one.

Very best wishes.

P.S Simon.  We are all very impressed with NZ over here for it's response to 
the virus.
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 4:41 AM
Subject: RE: whitch Macbook pro

Andy,

Why do you need a pro?

I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
liked it.

It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.

Otherwise a great little device.
Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now days.

From: 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: whitch Macbook pro

Hi all.

Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.

I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can get.

I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.

I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.

Any ideas on which model to look for.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

Using Fn + Tab works like a charm.  No double tapping necessary.

- Brad -


On Jun 27, 2020, at 15:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Dave,

Yeah, I know. The problem is that I have to tap it several times to get it to 
work, it’s very cludgy.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> The far left location on the touchbar defaults to Escape. Double tap there.
> 
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar if I had an 
> escape key.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both 
>> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout 
>> for arrow keys and have a physical Escape key.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s 
>> one reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>>>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>>> If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes 
>>>>> the processor in the Air.
>>>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>>>> your money.
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>>>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you 
>>>>> probably would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of 
>>>>> writing. So I use dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit 
>>>>> weird but I’m slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi ET,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >&

Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually Donna, your posts generate a question...perhaps one worth its own 
thread.

Just how many devices do most of you own?
Kare



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Just to throw something else into the mix here, I???d been thinking about 
replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need to 
replace it now.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

???don???t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If you 
want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don???t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

- Brad -


On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:

Hello, I???m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I???m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.





On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as I 
will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Karen Lewellen]

does not mean you cannot still find apple machines  that come with them 
however, if the hardware is important to your specific needs.

Kare



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, Anne Robertson wrote:


Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne





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Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.


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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the 
physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too 
accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver isn’t 
so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that sighted 
users are accidentally touching the escape key quite a lot. I think that’s why 
they changed it back to a button.

> On 27/06/2020, at 15:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>> I can get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Yeah, I know. The problem is that I have to tap it several times to get it to 
work, it’s very cludgy.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> The far left location on the touchbar defaults to Escape. Double tap there.
> 
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar if I had an 
> escape key.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both 
>> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout 
>> for arrow keys and have a physical Escape key.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s 
>> one reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>>>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>>> If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes 
>>>>> the processor in the Air.
>>>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>>>> your money.
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>>>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you 
>>>>> probably would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of 
>>>>> writing. So I use dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit 
>>>>> weird but I’m slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi ET,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been looking a

Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Dave Carlson]

Donna,
The far left location on the touchbar defaults to Escape. Double tap there.

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar if I had an escape 
key.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both 
> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout for 
> arrow keys and have a physical Escape key.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s 
> one reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
>> about.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>>> - Brad -
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>> If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>>> processor in the Air.
>>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>>> your money.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m 
>>>> slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi ET,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>&g

Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar if I had an escape 
key.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both 
> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout for 
> arrow keys and have a physical Escape key.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s 
> one reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
>> about.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>>> - Brad -
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>> If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>>> processor in the Air.
>>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>>> your money.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m 
>>>> slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi ET,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>>> I can get.
>>>>>> I hate

Re: whitch Macbook pro

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Ahoy Dave,
Just velcro the hub out of sight and rout your cables to it discretely.
Good reason for a hub is to save your jack on your lap top.
Just like a "patch bay"! LOL
Usually looks like a porky pine after all the  wires but is   mounted away from 
your movements!
A?
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

> Chuck, Yes I have one of those hubs. Sure, there’s now only a single cable 
> connected, but a bunch connected to the hub. Same spaghetti. And don’t let me 
> get started on these new USB C jacks. It only means that now I have to have a 
> collection of USB A/C adapters laying around. And what’s wrong with having 
> those jack on the rear edge of the Mac? Oh, well. At least it’s a nice fast 
> computer.
> 
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> What about a hub.
> 1 cable to the hub then let that be the cable cluster!
> BTW dvd/cd burners are still used every day for some recording clients that 
> like them.
> So I always have to have a cd burner hooked up for clients needs.
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> 
>> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
>> sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
>> drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
>> Dave Carlson
>>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
>> anymore.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon.
>>>  
>>> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.
>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both 
MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout for 
arrow keys and have a physical Escape key.

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s one 
reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
> about.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>> - Brad -
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>  If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>> processor in the Air.
>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>> your money.
>>> - Brad -
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly 
>>> learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>> 
>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>> I can get.
>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com>
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but I didn't know about FN+Tab.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> For those with TouchBar MacBook Pros, if you are not aware, in most 
> use-cases, holding down VO + Fn, will allow the number row keys to perform as 
> F-keys.  Additionally, holding down the Fn key, will allow the Tab key to 
> function as the Escape key.
> This should be true for all Macs running macOS 10.12 Sierra and newer.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 07:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would add that I also use an MBP with a touch bar. I’ve gotten used to it, 
> but I’m not really a fan. I love how it’s contextualized, but I almost always 
> have to tap it three or four times to get it to activate. Overall, I would 
> say using the touch bar is slower than using function keys. I’m seriously 
> considering going back to the Air just to get function keys back.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:37 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi July.
>> 
>> I hate my Phone.  I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough 
>> time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency 
>> cover when in town.  Bit of a waste eh?  I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it 
>> has a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use a full size apple 
>> keyboard.  So I'm not sure at all about the Air.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> 
>> Andy.
>> - Original Message - From: "Julie Rattray" > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>
>> To: "'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries" > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with 
>>> certain tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to 
>>> it is not really to difficult.
>>> 
>>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>> 
>>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>> I can get.
>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If I could get to the Apple store I could see for myself and maybe 
bring home a new Mac.


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On 6/27/2020 10:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s one 
reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
about.

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On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
- Brad -
On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
   Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
   If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   If 
you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.
- Brad -

On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:

Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.
Sincerely Maurice Mines.

On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as I 
will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

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On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s one 
reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things 
> about.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.
>> - Brad -
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>    Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my 
>> list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.
>>   If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>>> processor in the Air.
>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   
>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>> your money.
>>> - Brad -
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines >>> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly 
>>> learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>> 
>>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>>> I can get.
>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good 
things about.


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Many believe that we have been visited
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On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:

Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.

   If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?


On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   If 
you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.
- Brad -
On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.
Sincerely Maurice Mines.

On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as I 
will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar.

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. 
I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.

  If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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> On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
> processor in the Air.
> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.   If 
> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
> money.
> - Brad -
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
> to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
> Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
> it. Very best wall.
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
>> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
>> $1799.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> 
>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>> I can get.
>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on 
my list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library.


   If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/26/2020 11:42 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes 
the processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air. 
  If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option 
for your money.


- Brad -


On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:


Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you 
probably would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of 
writing. So I use dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit 
weird but I’m slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.


Sincerely Maurice Mines.




On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a 
mac book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,




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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
starts at $1799.


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Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

MacBook Airs have 2 USB-C ports.  One on each side.  Except for the headphone 
port, there are no other ports on the Air.

- Brad -


On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Andy,

I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that 
when I replace this MacBook Pro, it will probably be with an Air. I'm very meh 
about the Pro, but I absolutely loved my Air.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
>  
> I'd agree with you 100% .  Why use up a perfectly good USB  which you may 
> rarely use.
>  
> Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number 
> of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me.
>  
> I love the Apple External full-size USB keyboard, so there is a USB used up 
> immediately and my External USB drive is another.  So I need more than 2 USB'S
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>> Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
>> that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
>> only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which 
>> I rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So 
>> that DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I 
>> would never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste 
>> of a perfectly good USB port.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice 
>>> beautiful sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, 
>>> and DVD drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all 
>>> around it.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
>>> anymore.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>>  
>>>> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.
>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

For those with TouchBar MacBook Pros, if you are not aware, in most use-cases, 
holding down VO + Fn, will allow the number row keys to perform as F-keys.  
Additionally, holding down the Fn key, will allow the Tab key to function as 
the Escape key.
This should be true for all Macs running macOS 10.12 Sierra and newer.

HTH

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On Jun 27, 2020, at 07:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I would add that I also use an MBP with a touch bar. I’ve gotten used to it, 
but I’m not really a fan. I love how it’s contextualized, but I almost always 
have to tap it three or four times to get it to activate. Overall, I would say 
using the touch bar is slower than using function keys. I’m seriously 
considering going back to the Air just to get function keys back.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:37 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi July.
> 
> I hate my Phone.  I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough 
> time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency 
> cover when in town.  Bit of a waste eh?  I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it has 
> a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use a full size apple 
> keyboard.  So I'm not sure at all about the Air.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "Julie Rattray" 
> To: "'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:05 AM
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
> 
>> Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with 
>> certain tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to it 
>> is not really to difficult.
>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>> 
>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>> I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Andy,

I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that 
when I replace this MacBook Pro, it will probably be with an Air. I'm very meh 
about the Pro, but I absolutely loved my Air.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
>  
> I'd agree with you 100% .  Why use up a perfectly good USB  which you may 
> rarely use.
>  
> Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number 
> of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me.
>  
> I love the Apple External full-size USB keyboard, so there is a USB used up 
> immediately and my External USB drive is another.  So I need more than 2 USB'S
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>> Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
>> that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
>> only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which 
>> I rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So 
>> that DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I 
>> would never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste 
>> of a perfectly good USB port.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice 
>>> beautiful sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, 
>>> and DVD drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all 
>>> around it.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
>>> anymore.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>>  
>>>> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.
>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna.

I'd agree with you 100% .  Why use up a perfectly good USB  which you may 
rarely use.

Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number 
of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me.

I love the Apple External full-size USB keyboard, so there is a USB used up 
immediately and my External USB drive is another.  So I need more than 2 USB'S

Very best wishes.

Andy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:30 PM
  Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro


  Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which I 
rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So that 
DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I would 
never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste of a 
perfectly good USB port.
  Cheers,
  Donna



On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:


How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice 
beautiful sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and 
DVD drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around 
it.

Dave Carlson

 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker


On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:


Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,


Anne








  On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


  Hi Simon.

  I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.




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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Dave Carlson]

Chuck, Yes I have one of those hubs. Sure, there’s now only a single cable 
connected, but a bunch connected to the hub. Same spaghetti. And don’t let me 
get started on these new USB C jacks. It only means that now I have to have a 
collection of USB A/C adapters laying around. And what’s wrong with having 
those jack on the rear edge of the Mac? Oh, well. At least it’s a nice fast 
computer.

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:

Hi Dave,
What about a hub.
1 cable to the hub then let that be the cable cluster!
BTW dvd/cd burners are still used every day for some recording clients that 
like them.
So I always have to have a cd burner hooked up for clients needs.
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
> sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
> drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
> anymore.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

That is what I just said.

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On Jun 27, 2020, at 04:33, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Yes brad the specs on the pro are better than the specs of the air,
 
However if you don’t need to get a high end processor which really isn’t that 
different to that from the air and also save yourself money then the air is a 
good device,
 
 
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 6:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
 
don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If you 
want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

- Brad -

 
On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
 
Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.





On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as 
I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

No, the Air is a real Mac running the macOS operating system.  It is a great 
option for most Mac users.

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On Jun 27, 2020, at 04:31, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad.
 
I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together 
keys?
 
Andy.
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:42 AM
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> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
> processor in the Air.
> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
> money.
> 
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> 
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
> to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
> Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
> it. Very best wall.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
>> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
>> $1799.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>>> I can get.
>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>> Very best wishes.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Dave,
What about a hub.
1 cable to the hub then let that be the cable cluster!
BTW dvd/cd burners are still used every day for some recording clients that 
like them.
So I always have to have a cd burner hooked up for clients needs.
Chuck
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On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
> sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
> drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
> anymore.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Simon.
>>  
>> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one 
that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the 
only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which I 
rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been imported. So that 
DVD drive spends most of its life just sitting there in the drawer. I would 
never have it permanently hooked up to my Mac, that'd just be a waste of a 
perfectly good USB port.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
> sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
> drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
> Dave Carlson
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> Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
> anymore.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Dave Carlson]

Andrew,
Pretty sure it does. But it was so long ago. Again the David Woodbridge podcast 
helps a lot to understand what needs to be done. What’s really nice is that 
these virtual buttons are context-sensitive and speak their purpose as you 
glide/swipe across them. No more guessing.
Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:48 AM, 'Andrew' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Dave.
 
I remember when I purchased my second hand 2013 Macbook Pro, one of the first 
things I got assistance with was changing the buttons along the top to act just 
like Keys.  I know Iprobably will ever need the 5 and the 8, but does this 
change need to be done with the newer swipe bar?  Or does it really not matter?
 
Very best wishes.
 
Andy.
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> I have the 15-inch MBP with the touchbar. It’s quite easy to master, after 
> listening to the Applevis presentation by David Woodbridge.
> I have marked the f5 and f8  and SIRI positions across the top of the bar to 
> help orient to the more important locations.
> And the Touch ID works very well.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Dave Carlson]

How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful 
sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD 
drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it.
Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne




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> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi Simon.
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> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.


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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Lol I thought about that. Not saying I’ll buy 1.0, but I know that once the 
Macs with the new architecture are out, I will want one. So, not being 
independently wealthy and thus able to buy a new Mac every year, I’m going to 
wait.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:53 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I understand the attraction of the new platform. Then there's the
> competing concern that says: "Never buy 1.0 of anything." 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Mine is a late 2013 model MacBook Pro. It just makes the compatibility list 
>> for Mac OS Big Sur, if I’m reading correctly.
>> 
>> There are some situations in which it runs into performance difficulties 
>> (e.g., trying to use Microsoft Outlook for Mac to write email whilst in a 
>> Microsoft Teams meeting). I’m contemplating a hardware upgrade, possibly 
>> next year when Apple’s ARM-based CPUs may become available for the MacBook 
>> Pro.
>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about 
>>> replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
>>> silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need 
>>> to replace it now.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes 
>>>> the processor in the Air.
>>>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  
>>>> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>>>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>>>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
>>>> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
>>>> your money.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
>>>> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
>>>> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
>>>> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
>>>> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
>>>> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m 
>>>> slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi ET,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>>>> starts at $1799.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>>>>>> I can get.
>>>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>>>> Very best

Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I understand the attraction of the new platform. Then there's the
competing concern that says: "Never buy 1.0 of anything." 

Best,

Janina

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Mine is a late 2013 model MacBook Pro. It just makes the compatibility list 
> for Mac OS Big Sur, if I’m reading correctly.
> 
> There are some situations in which it runs into performance difficulties 
> (e.g., trying to use Microsoft Outlook for Mac to write email whilst in a 
> Microsoft Teams meeting). I’m contemplating a hardware upgrade, possibly next 
> year when Apple’s ARM-based CPUs may become available for the MacBook Pro.
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about 
> > replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
> > silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need 
> > to replace it now.
> > Cheers,
> > Donna
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >> 
> >> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes 
> >> the processor in the Air.
> >> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  
> >> If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
> >> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
> >> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that 
> >> one, you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for 
> >> your money.
> >> 
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week 
> >> now yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main 
> >> reason why it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I 
> >> have a written expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably 
> >> would not be able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use 
> >> dictation software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m 
> >> slowly learning to live with it. Very best wall.
> >> 
> >> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi ET,
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
> >>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> >>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> >>> 
> >>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> >>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
> >>> starts at $1799.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> Many believe that we have been visited
> >>> in the past. What if it were true?
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>>> Hi all.
> >>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
> >>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
> >>>> I can get.
> >>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> >>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> >>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
> >>>> Very best wishes.
> >>>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Mine is a late 2013 model MacBook Pro. It just makes the compatibility list for 
Mac OS Big Sur, if I’m reading correctly.

There are some situations in which it runs into performance difficulties (e.g., 
trying to use Microsoft Outlook for Mac to write email whilst in a Microsoft 
Teams meeting). I’m contemplating a hardware upgrade, possibly next year when 
Apple’s ARM-based CPUs may become available for the MacBook Pro.

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about 
> replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
> silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need 
> to replace it now.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
>> processor in the Air.
>> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
>> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
>> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
>> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
>> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
>> money.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
>> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
>> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
>> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be 
>> able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation 
>> software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning 
>> to live with it. Very best wall.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>> 
>>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>>>> I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Andy,

The Air is smaller, thinner, and lighter. I strongly prefer the keyboard on my 
Air, and would say there’s more separation than on the keyboard on my Pro. 
(However, that’s a little bit like comparing Apples and Oranges, because my Pro 
unfortunately has the butterfly keyboard.) Any more, when I travel, if all I 
want to do is read email and maybe some light work, I take either my iPad or 
the Air.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:31 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad.
>  
> I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together 
> keys?
>  
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Brad Snyder
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
> processor in the Air.
> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
> money.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
>> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
>> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
>> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be 
>> able to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation 
>> software. Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning 
>> to live with it. Very best wall.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
>> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
>> $1799.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>>> I can get.
>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I would add that I also use an MBP with a touch bar. I’ve gotten used to it, 
but I’m not really a fan. I love how it’s contextualized, but I almost always 
have to tap it three or four times to get it to activate. Overall, I would say 
using the touch bar is slower than using function keys. I’m seriously 
considering going back to the Air just to get function keys back.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:37 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi July.
> 
> I hate my Phone.  I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough 
> time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency 
> cover when in town.  Bit of a waste eh?  I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it has 
> a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use a full size apple 
> keyboard.  So I'm not sure at all about the Air.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "Julie Rattray" 
> To: "'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:05 AM
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
> 
>> Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with 
>> certain tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to it 
>> is not really to difficult.
>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>>> 
>>>   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
>>> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
>>> starts at $1799.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
>>>> I can get.
>>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about 
replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new 
silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need to 
replace it now.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
> processor in the Air.
> If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
> you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
> Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
> ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
> you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your 
> money.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
> yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why 
> it is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
> expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
> to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
> Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
> it. Very best wall.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
>> book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>> 
>>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
>> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
>> $1799.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>>> I can get.
>>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

Like Janina, I kept my 2013 Macbook Air when I bought my 2017 MBP. Though the 
Pro is by far the better computer, I still prefer my Air. I like the keyboard 
better, and, though I’ve gotten used to the touch bar, I still prefer having 
function keys.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Hmm, the Air is $300 cheaper than the Pro with no Touch Bar, And you say 
> no butterfly keyboard? Might be worth a look if I can get to the Apple store. 
> The specs are almost the same too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 6/26/2020 8:41 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> Andy,
>> Why do you need a pro?
>> I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
>> liked it.
>> It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
>> 2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
>> And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.
>> Otherwise a great little device.
>> Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now 
>> days.
>> *From:*'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* whitch Macbook pro
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can 
>> get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave.

I remember when I purchased my second hand 2013 Macbook Pro, one of the first 
things I got assistance with was changing the buttons along the top to act just 
like Keys.  I know Iprobably will ever need the 5 and the 8, but does this 
change need to be done with the newer swipe bar?  Or does it really not matter?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
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  I have the 15-inch MBP with the touchbar. It’s quite easy to master, after 
listening to the Applevis presentation by David Woodbridge.
  I have marked the f5 and f8  and SIRI positions across the top of the bar to 
help orient to the more important locations.
  And the Touch ID works very well.


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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Anne Robertson]

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

Anne




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> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

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Good to hear about that butterfly keyboard. Not happy with it. Maybe a good 
reason to upgrade to the latest MBP...
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

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I have the 15-inch MBP with the touchbar. It’s quite easy to master, after 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

FYI: Apple offered me $160 for my 2013 era 11' Air when I bought my Mac
Mini a couple months ago. I declined and kept the Air.

At the moment it's a handy sized laptop I sometimes use in bed, when I'm
too lazy to head down the hall. Hey, I can cast from it, so why not?

Where I to get serious and start using it for more than email and web
browsing, I'd want it for loading my Native Instruments (Komplete
Kontrol) sound fonts over the USB3 port.

Now, I'd expect the gating factor here is the speed provided by the
port, not the CPU. Though having more than 8Gb RAM would probably be
important. In fact it would probably help this use case to have as much
RAM as possible so that the sound fonts could perhaps be accessed from
RAM in actual use with an app like Mainstage.

Best,

Janina

'andrew' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi Simon.
> 
> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.
> 
> My 2013 Macbook Pro has a decent keyboard as the keys are quite distinctive.
> 
> I use an external full size keyboard because it has a full numeric keypad and 
> it has about 3 USB'S.  It's very sturdy and feels so nice and smoove.
> 
> I was only thinking of jumping up to something a little fresher and of 
> course, I'll still get a couple of hundred for my old one.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> P.S Simon.  We are all very impressed with NZ over here for it's response to 
> the virus. 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Simon A Fogarty 
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 4:41 AM
>   Subject: RE: whitch Macbook pro
> 
> 
>   Andy,
> 
>
> 
>   Why do you need a pro?
> 
>
> 
>   I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
> liked it.
> 
>
> 
>   It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
> 
>   2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
> 
>   And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.
> 
>
> 
>   Otherwise a great little device.
> 
>   Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now 
> days.
> 
>
> 
>   From: 'andrew' via MacVisionaries  
>   Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>
> 
>   Hi all.
> 
>
> 
>   Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
> 
>
> 
>   I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can 
> get.
> 
>
> 
>   I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> 
>
> 
>   I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> 
>
> 
>   Any ideas on which model to look for.
> 
>
> 
>   Very best wishes.
> 
>
> 
>   Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon.

I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.

My 2013 Macbook Pro has a decent keyboard as the keys are quite distinctive.

I use an external full size keyboard because it has a full numeric keypad and 
it has about 3 USB'S.  It's very sturdy and feels so nice and smoove.

I was only thinking of jumping up to something a little fresher and of course, 
I'll still get a couple of hundred for my old one.

Very best wishes.

P.S Simon.  We are all very impressed with NZ over here for it's response to 
the virus. 
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  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 4:41 AM
  Subject: RE: whitch Macbook pro


  Andy,

   

  Why do you need a pro?

   

  I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
liked it.

   

  It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,

  2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,

  And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.

   

  Otherwise a great little device.

  Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now 
days.

   

  From: 'andrew' via MacVisionaries  
  Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: whitch Macbook pro

   

  Hi all.

   

  Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.

   

  I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can 
get.

   

  I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.

   

  I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.

   

  Any ideas on which model to look for.

   

  Very best wishes.

   

  Andy.

   


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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

No,
It’s a full notebook but with a lower rated processor than the pro,
Smaller body size such as thinner / lighter.

And less USb ports.
Other than that they do very much the same thing as each other.

Oh and the pros have the touch bar which the air doesn’t have.

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Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 9:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Brad.

I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together 
keys?

Andy.
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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If you 
want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

- Brad -

On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines 
mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:

Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.





On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



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 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as 
I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

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Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi July.

I hate my Phone.  I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough 
time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency 
cover when in town.  Bit of a waste eh?  I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it 
has a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use a full size apple 
keyboard.  So I'm not sure at all about the Air.


Very best wishes.

Andy.
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To: "'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro


Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with 
certain tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to 
it is not really to difficult.



On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,




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   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
starts at $1799.


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Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes brad the specs on the pro are better than the specs of the air,

However if you don’t need to get a high end processor which really isn’t that 
different to that from the air and also save yourself money then the air is a 
good device,




From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 6:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If you 
want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

- Brad -

On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines 
mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:

Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.





On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though as 
I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

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Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as
I can get.
I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
Any ideas on which model to look for.
Very best wishes.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad.

I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together 
keys?

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brad Snyder 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:42 AM
  Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro


  don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.

  If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If 
you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
  Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C 
ports and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, 
you should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

  - Brad -




  On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:


  Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

  Sincerely Maurice Mines.





On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac 
book pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

 I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
at $1799.

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  Hi all.
  Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
  I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
  I can get.
  I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
  I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
  Any ideas on which model to look for.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah the butterfly keyboard has gone!

They have redesigned the keyboard again and it's much nicer I think to type on 
than the butterfly KB was.
I did like the new air,
And with a quad core processor and up to 16GB ram you can get a nice machine 
The T1 chip caused me some trouble though as it takes away some of the security 
features.


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Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 4:55 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hmm, the Air is $300 cheaper than the Pro with no Touch Bar, And you say no 
butterfly keyboard? Might be worth a look if I can get to the Apple store. The 
specs are almost the same too.

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On 6/26/2020 8:41 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> Andy,
> 
> Why do you need a pro?
> 
> I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I 
> really liked it.
> 
> It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
> 
> 2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
> 
> And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.
> 
> Otherwise a great little device.
> 
> Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for 
> now days.
> 
> *From:*'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
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> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* whitch Macbook pro
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
> 
> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
> I can get.
> 
> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> 
> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> 
> Any ideas on which model to look for.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Brad Snyder]

don’t be fooled by the specs.  The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the 
processor in the Air.
If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air.  If you 
want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro.
Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-C ports 
and the 8th generation processor.  If you are thinking about that one, you 
should go ahead and get the Air.  It is a much better option for your money.

- Brad -


On Jun 26, 2020, at 23:55, maurice mines  wrote:

Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.




> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>  I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
> $1799.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>> I can get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>> Very best wishes.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

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Hello, I’m using a MacBook Pro 2020 I been using it for not quite a week now 
yes the Touch Bar takes it some getting used to. But but the main reason why it 
is a  MacBook Pro is because of my additional disability I have a written 
expression disorder that if I typed this email you probably would not be able 
to read it. Think of it as dyslexia of writing. So I use dictation software. 
Like I said the Touch Bar is a bit weird but I’m slowly learning to live with 
it. Very best wall.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.




> On Jun 26, 2020, at 20:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
> as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at 
> $1799.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
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> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>> I can get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
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>> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Hmm, the Air is $300 cheaper than the Pro with no Touch Bar, And you 
say no butterfly keyboard? Might be worth a look if I can get to the 
Apple store. The specs are almost the same too.


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On 6/26/2020 8:41 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Andy,

Why do you need a pro?

I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I 
really liked it.


It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,

2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,

And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.

Otherwise a great little device.

Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for 
now days.


*From:*'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Saturday, 27 June 2020 10:38 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* whitch Macbook pro

Hi all.

Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.

I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I 
can get.


I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.

I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.

Any ideas on which model to look for.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with certain 
tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to it is not 
really to difficult.

> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
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>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
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>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Andy,

Why do you need a pro?

I have been playing around with the 2020 mac book air recently and I really 
liked it.

It has the finger print sensor but no touch bar,
2 USB_C ports on the left hand edge,
And the new keyboard replacement to the butterfly keyboard.

Otherwise a great little device.
Personally I can’t see what the average person would need the pro for now days.

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Subject: whitch Macbook pro

Hi all.

Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.

I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can get.

I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.

I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.

Any ideas on which model to look for.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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RE: whitch Macbook pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi ET,

I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,



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I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar though 
as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts at $1799.

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> I can get.
> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> Any ideas on which model to look for.
> Very best wishes.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports 
starts at $1799.


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Hi all.
Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I 
can get.

I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
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whitch Macbook pro

['andrew' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.

Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.

I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as I can get.

I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.

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