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I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I think there are two factors: 1) People will find more comfortable with a known interface. 2) Commercial agreements. I'd like to have the choice among Windows or Linux. Some vendors will let you choose your OS. Some won't. On 25/08/2009 16:15, Gary wrote: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Garyg...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage. ...Ken ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken It's the IBM OS/2 story all over again a company that doesn't have faith in its own OS is a company doomed to FAIL in the software space. In the case of IBM, you had a division (IBM Software) with an excellent piece of software (32-bit OS/2 2.x - Warp 3.x-4.x) and the rest of the company in bed with Microsoft (specially the IBM PC Co. and Lotus in charge of fake war hero Jeff Papows). So the first battle IBM software had to do was convincing the rest of the company on the virtues of its software. In the case of Nokia, you have a good OS (Maemo) that could run across the whole range of the firms' devices, yet the top managers and the rest of the company are not sold on the virtues of having its own OS, much less on the faith in open source software. Do you see Microsoft isntalling a non-Microsoft OS on its systems? NO. Do you see Apple vouching the ease of use virtues of Windwows Vista or Seven? NO. Yet, we do see the likes of Palm shipping Windows Mobile devices and Nokia shipping a Windows based Netbook. That speaks volumes about the fath of Nokia on its own OS's merits Market share my *ss. If it was for market share alone Apple would be selling Windows systems... and Sun Microsystems would be promoting Windows Server instead of OpenSolaris... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I strongly believe Maemo will be a direct competitor to Google Chrome OS WHEN it'll be ready for a netbook form factor device. They had (for whatever reason [may be test the market?]) to release a netbook, but neither Symbian nor Maemo were ready for it. So why wonder? Maemo will be an OS that can run from a phone up to a netbook. But will. Aniello 2009/8/25 William Maddler n...@maddler.net: On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Garyg...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage. ...Ken ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 17:04 +0200, William Maddler wrote: On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Garyg...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage. Really, this makes no sense. Why not wait until Linux is available and in the mean time write Nokia and tell them why you aren't going to buy their product until such time. Probably more effective. Basically, don't reward them by buying their product first. Cheers ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys. Don't bother with the special netbook kernel, it causes a lot more problems than it solves. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi, in the spot video booklet 3g the new netbook nokia is presented with windows. But I personally prefer the combination of opensource software Ubuntu + Maemo. For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G : http://rafanto.net/booklet-3g-ecco-il-netbook-nokia/ bye Rafanto - Antonio Di Cello On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys. Don't bother with the special netbook kernel, it causes a lot more problems than it solves. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Antonio Di Cello wrote: For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G The Guardian has more speculation on the hardware specs. http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sXsDARYcytKh_ev4Q2pP53Q/view.m?id=158147tid=120787 My guess is that they're trying to get some attention before Apple releases their touch screen tablet. I have used WIndows 7 extensively on a seven year old notebook which is about on par with most current net books (aside from the larger screen). It is much more usable than Vista was on the same system but I still prefer to boot in to U-lite -- a custom Ubuntu distribution that runs better on less powerful hardware than any of the official Ubuntu spin-offs. Aside from that, there are plenty of other distributions that Nokia could have chosen as there have been several window manager and desktop projects over the years that sufficiently emulate the Windows look and feel to ease users in to the UI. The OS/2 vs Windows comparison is an interesting one. Maybe Nokia will hire David Cutler to help finish freemantle. ;) -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three months announced major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft. I don't see it as surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would choose this platform. And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the hobbyist arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class of device. K On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Antonio Di Cello wrote: For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G The Guardian has more speculation on the hardware specs. http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sXsDARYcytKh_ev4Q2pP53Q/view.m?id=158147tid=120787 My guess is that they're trying to get some attention before Apple releases their touch screen tablet. I have used WIndows 7 extensively on a seven year old notebook which is about on par with most current net books (aside from the larger screen). It is much more usable than Vista was on the same system but I still prefer to boot in to U-lite -- a custom Ubuntu distribution that runs better on less powerful hardware than any of the official Ubuntu spin-offs. Aside from that, there are plenty of other distributions that Nokia could have chosen as there have been several window manager and desktop projects over the years that sufficiently emulate the Windows look and feel to ease users in to the UI. The OS/2 vs Windows comparison is an interesting one. Maybe Nokia will hire David Cutler to help finish freemantle. ;) -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Gadsbystephen.gad...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft hires an advertising firm, surely. Showing they'll use an appropriate tool for a job and not kill themselves with NIH. My point in the end was that one of the several reasons of microsoft's market dominance is that WINDOWS is their internal software religion Everything they do is aimed at increasing Windows' market share. I wish other firms realized that and stopped giving Microsoft a hand by shipping Windows-based devices... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three months announced major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft. I don't see it as surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would choose this platform. And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the hobbyist arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class of device. K If they put Maemo on a netbook then there's really no excuse for not backporting Freemantle to the N8x0 series. At least with the tablets the interface doesn't have to be completely replaced, only a few hardware drivers. And no, what works on a 4 screen is NOT appropriate for a 7 or larger screen and vice-versa. Frankly, I don't like the direction that GUIs are taking in general. Everybody is hopping on the Apple bandwagon of having to scroll through miles or pages of random icons instead of much quicker and more functional nested lists. Style over substance... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin T. Neely wrote: There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. Not that I'm aware of. This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three months announced major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft. I don't see it as surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would choose this platform. I don't have any qualms with the Atom processor as an energy efficient device but I've never been fond of Intel's business practices (their dealings with the OLPC project are only one of many). Also, I don't really see that Nokia are marketing the Booklet 3G as a corporate platform. q.v. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop and http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the hobbyist arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class of device. And the N97 handset has already released based on Symbian OS 9.4 and Series 60 v5 UI running on the ARM 11 proc. I guess I don't see what they have to gain by moving in to the already overcrowded Wintel market. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin T. Neely a écrit : There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. The Scratchbox tool used into Maemo already support x86 processors. And Linux certainly support most, if not all Intel, chipset used in netboot today. So Maemo in a Intel netbook will probably no be a nightmare to do. I think that a screen resolution other than the 800x480 (that exists since the N770) will be the biggest problem for most applications. Best Regards, Jean-Christian de Rivaz ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys. Don't bother with the special netbook kernel, it causes a lot more problems than it solves. I installed Debian on my eeepc with a special kernel, as documented on Debians eeepc pages. Works like a charm. -- hendrik Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me. K On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I don't have any qualms with the Atom processor as an energy efficient device but I've never been fond of Intel's business practices (their dealings with the OLPC project are only one of many). Also, I don't really see that Nokia are marketing the Booklet 3G as a corporate platform. q.v. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop and http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the hobbyist arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class of device. And the N97 handset has already released based on Symbian OS 9.4 and Series 60 v5 UI running on the ARM 11 proc. I guess I don't see what they have to gain by moving in to the already overcrowded Wintel market. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet? If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it? /ove 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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It's not touchscreen, but I believe Maemo can be controlled via mouse keyboard. K 2009/8/25 Ove Nordström ove.nordst...@gmail.com I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet? If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it? /ove 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin T. Neely wrote: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. That's just Microsoft ActiveSync and it's no real feat if they're just using Microsoft clients. They may also be licensing ActiveSync for any Nokia developed apps but that's just guesswork on my part. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me. The catch will be whether they release drivers for the HSPA broadband chipset ... -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. That's just Microsoft ActiveSync and it's no real feat if they're just using Microsoft clients. They may also be licensing ActiveSync for any Nokia developed apps but that's just guesswork on my part. Actually, it's a new MSFT technology called DirectConnect (or DirectAccess or something like that) that is basically a multi-path IPv6 IPSEC tunnel. I guess they can say no VPN needed because it only goes to the corp network when it needs to, but this seems to be really splitting hairs and I think of it as a VPN. It supports multi-factor authentication (of course, this will kill the seamless nature) so I would bet this will replace the MS PPTP solution. It requires MS Direct Connect server and something on the client end (just MS Windows, I think) for it to work. Though, if it is just IPSEC, I guess other clients could connect to it. PPTP needs to be replaced, so this looks nice. Seeing as my company has its own VPN solution, I doubt we will be deploying this. K -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me. But then, how is that netbook from Nokia going to be different from netbooks from other manufacturers? -- Great things can be reduced to small things, and small things can be reduced to nothing. - Chinese Proverb ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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But then, how is that netbook from Nokia going to be different from netbooks from other manufacturers? This will be very interesting to see next week!! /ove 2009/8/26 Alexandru Cardaniuc cardan...@gmail.com: Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me. But then, how is that netbook from Nokia going to be different from netbooks from other manufacturers? -- Great things can be reduced to small things, and small things can be reduced to nothing. - Chinese Proverb ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I wasn't even suggesting Nokia offer Linux as a purchase option, just as an after-purchase option for someone that wants it. It would be different in the same ways the Win7 booklet is different from other windows netbooks, basically styling and the GSM SIM card slot. not that that is unique, but it is distinguishable from most. K Sent from my N97 read about it at http://rubbernecking.info -Original Message- From: Alexandru Cardaniuc Sent: 08/25/2009 3:47:24 PM Subject: Re: Nokia netbook Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me. But then, how is that netbook from Nokia going to be different from netbooks from other manufacturers? -- Great things can be reduced to small things, and small things can be reduced to nothing. - Chinese Proverb ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Wednesday 26 August 2009 00:37:18 Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: Maemo's point is to be a substitute of a real distribution because of the hardware limitations like small screens and weak processing capabilities. You're talking just about the UI, Maemo is (headed to be) much more than just a finger friendly skin on a stripped down Debian. For example, the connection handling, location based services, integrated contact services, battery life considerations, syncing and the general on-the-move approach of 3G+ netbooks is much closer to where Maemo is headed than what you get with a desktop distro. Whether Nokia eventually wants to make that base also available with a netbook or mediapad oriented UI, just slap Moblin on it, or simply continue recommending Windows, is a different matter. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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booiiing booii...@gmail.com writes: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! ___ First of all, from my understanding the maemo UI is created for small devices with small screens. Also, 10 inch netbook is a real computer. Why would I use maemo on it if I can use a normal linux distribution on it like Debian?! Maemo's point is to be a substitute of a real distribution because of the hardware limitations like small screens and weak processing capabilities. -- I am not young enough to know everything. - Oscar Wilde ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
Mark wolfm...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys. Don't bother with the special netbook kernel, it causes a lot more problems than it solves. Fully agree. I don't understand why would somebody use maemo when they could be using Ubuntu for instance. To make it clear a comparison: why use Windows Mobile on a netbook if you can run Windows XP ? -- If we really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem. - Krishnamurti ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :) that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys. Don't bother with the special netbook kernel, it causes a lot more problems than it solves. I installed Debian on my eeepc with a special kernel, as documented on Debians eeepc pages. Works like a charm. Although, it seems that Debian EEE pc project is over... -- I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. - Jack Handey ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I wasn't even suggesting Nokia offer Linux as a purchase option, just as an after-purchase option for someone that wants it. It would be different in the same ways the Win7 booklet is different from other windows netbooks, basically styling and the GSM SIM card slot. not that that is unique, but it is distinguishable from most. K But they _should_ offer it as a purchase option, and let those of us who would rather do without Windows get a better price. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I wasn't even suggesting Nokia offer Linux as a purchase option, just as an after-purchase option for someone that wants it. Actually, they don't even need to install an OS on it. Just give it to me with an empty HDD and a more attractive price and I'll run with it. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
