Re: [MlMt] Markdown Heading ##

[Jan Erik Moström]

> On 7 Sep 2022, at 19:13, Zak McClellan  wrote:
> 
> After a Google search it appears that the former behavior (without a space) 
> is not the norm.

This tricked me some years ago, '#xxx' is used for hashtags while '# xxx' is a 
markdown heading.

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Re: [MlMt] OK, it's not ME...

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 16 Feb 2022, at 17:30, Randall Meadows wrote:

> But just now the exact same problem happened—MailMate went to the background 
> and my browser came to the front—while I was merely navigating through a list 
> of message using the arrow keys. I know I have not customized anything 
> related to that or selecting of messages, so this has to be a MailMate issue, 
> right?!
>
> MailMate version 1.14 (5856), running on macOS Big Sur 11.6.3.
>
> Anyone else seeing this behavior?

While I haven't seen this exact behavior I've noticed that sometimes the apple 
or Mailmate menu seem to flash when I'm navigating the mail (it's so fast that 
I can't say what menu flashes but it's up in the left corner). I have no idea 
why this happens.

> PS - MailMate has also become narcoleptic on me—hanging for tens of seconds 
> at a time, SPOD'ing all the while. It's done it THREE times while writing 
> this message! This has been going on for the last several versions, and there 
> seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when it happens—sometimes composing a 
> message, like just now, or simply reading.

I personally haven't seen this, but there is perhaps some faulty email data 
that causes Mailmate to wait for timeout???

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Re: [MlMt] How to disable copying text as Markdown?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 27 Jan 2022, at 2:03, Quinn Comendant wrote:

> How do I disable this? I always want unformatted plain text on my clipboard.
>
> It seems this functionality should be something extra that is available in 
> the Commands menu, not default copy behavior.

I don't know the solution but I think plain text is the default because I get 
plain text when I copy, here is the text copied from your email

sudo bash add-monitoring-agent-repo.sh --also-install

I also tested by pasting into BBEdit with the same result.

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Re: [MlMt] Markdown / HTML Tables

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 25 Jul 2021, at 9:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

If at all possible, this decision should be left to the receiving 
email client.


Yes !! <= a large numer of ! not typed out

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Re: [MlMt] Memory usage

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 11 May 2021, at 9:10, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:

> I have 2.988.939 messages

Jag är imponerad !!
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Re: [MlMt] Updating SpamSieve

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 6 May 2021, at 19:10, Antonio Leding wrote:

Interesting - is there any reason why the CPU architecture would be a 
factor here? Or is the thinking that the complete wipe was required 
just due to normal cleanup and possibly a change to a new OS?


One thing that might be different (I have no knowledge of the actual 
architecture of M1 or Intel) is how data is aligned on word boundaries. 
If that is different and the code uses low level operation directly 
(like bit shifting) it might cause different results. I'm not saying 
that this is a problem, it's just an example of one thing that might 
cause problems.


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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:28, Paul Atlan wrote:

I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate, that 
there aren’t some interesting solutions around …


I'm unsure if you're referring to mailing lists like this one, and/or 
newsletters. The latter I have no experience with so I can say anything, 
but mailing lists usually have their mailing list name in the to field 
so something like "to contains mailinglistaddress" works for me.


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Re: [MlMt] "Not Junk" button?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Feb 2021, at 16:06, Robert Wall wrote:

I tried clicking "Junk" again when I'm in the "Junk" folder, just in 
case that was the solution, but it's greyed out / inactive.


If you select the message you should get a yellow bar with a button 
"move out of junk"


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Re: [MlMt] BCC contact visibility on sent messages

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 12 Jan 2021, at 17:00, Raza Rizvi wrote:


Am I right, or is this as it should be?


Since the email is sent to the server who distributes it, it is 
reasonable to assume that the email you receive from the server doesn't 
include other BCC addresses (that would be a bug in the mail server in 
my opinion).


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Re: [MlMt] Running one mail account completely separate from others

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 22 Dec 2020, at 15:35, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

How about separate users in MacOS? That would allow you to have 
completely different MM configurations.


Good idea ... but unfortunately it would mean that I need to keep the 
setups for these accounts in sync (can two users on the same machine 
have the same Apple ID? ... hmm, a quick search says this isn't possible 
beginning from Catalina), which for me would be too much work. But if I 
wanted to completely separate my tasks this would be a really good idea.


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[MlMt] Running one mail account completely separate from others

[Jan Erik Moström]

I have a number of email accounts but I would like to run one account 
completely separate from other account, like "this is the only account 
currently visible for MailMate". This to avoid some mistakes that could 
have some undesirable consequences. I don't mind quitting MailMate 
switching from one configuration (with all email accounts except one) to 
another (with only one account), in fact this would be perfect for me.


I assume this isn't possible in an easy way, but in case I'm wrong I 
would like to know how to do it. My current solution is simply to use 
Mail for that account ... but if I could use MailMate for all of them, 
great.


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Re: [MlMt] No trash after 7 days

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Nov 2020, at 9:58, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hello Mailmate users,

Does mail mate auto-delete trash after 7 days?  After migrating from 
Apple Mail to MM, it seems all of my Trash mailboxes no longer store 
messages after 7 days…


I have stuff in my trash that is from early September. I haven't noticed 
any setting about this, perhaps you have created some rule for this or 
perhaps a rule on the server?


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Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:21, Max Andersen wrote:


thus i'm now "stuck" using gmail webui...please help :)


Can't you go to the web site and download from there? 
https://freron.com/download/


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Re: [MlMt] New Yahoo! Mail restrictions for 3rd party e-mail client access as of Oct. 20th 2020

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 25 Aug 2020, at 21:13, Greg Earle wrote:

If removing and re-adding your account does not work, generate a 
third-party app password to access your account.

--

I'm not sure whether I'll be able to continue using MailMate with 
these new restrictions after October 20.


As others have said, this is the easiest solution and commonly used by 
other services. It shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: [MlMt] New install on new computer won't respond

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 8 Jul 2020, at 15:11, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:


recommendations on which build of MM I might be best to use?


I'm running the latest beta (I think) release build 5671 and it seem to 
work just fine for me


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Re: [MlMt] duplicate messages in all mail

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:12, Evan Silberman wrote:

I noticed that I have duplicate messages in all mail. For example, 
when I search for a message from a sender, I see the message twice.


Do you mean that you see the *same* message twice or that you have two 
copies of the same email?


(You can right click a message in the search results to see in what 
mailbox it's stored.)


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate fails to connect after awhile

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 11 Jun 2020, at 16:48, Williper Larnloge wrote:

I do. Hmm…wonder if I broke something in there. Thanks for the 
pointer.


I think in my case something very simple ... at least it hasn't happened 
since I "fixed" it.


I use two virtual screens (Desktops in macOS speak) and for some reason 
Little Snitch started to pop up connection dialogs on the screen I 
rarely visit. When I noticed I had a couple of dialogs that had timed 
out. I don't know if this was the reason but once I restarted my Mac to 
get LS to place to dialogs on the active screen and since then 
everything has worked just fine.


I still don't know if this was the real problem but ...

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Re: [MlMt] Modifying Reply Date Format

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:30, m...@rhp.tw wrote:

When one replies to an email, MailMate formats the date/time like 
so `On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:18...` While I understand that is how most 
of the world references dates and times, I am one of those uncouth 
Americans and wondering if there is a way to change the format?


Yes, look in the manual, "Hidden preferences" and the "Composing 
section", there you find some instructions (look for: defaults write 
com.freron.MailMate MmReplyWroteString -string 'On %e %b %Y, at %k:%M, 
${from.name:${from.address}} wrote:')

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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate fails to connect after awhile

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 10 Jun 2020, at 19:59, Williper Larnloge wrote:

No idea what is causing, but it’s happening to me, too. I’m using 
5692.


Seems like I should have upgraded a long time ago ... I'm only on 5671

Do you happen to use Little Snitch? I *think* it was a ... "user error" 
that caused my problems, but I'm not sure.


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[MlMt] Mailmate fails to connect after awhile

[Jan Erik Moström]

Here is something that have happened a couple of times the last 18h or 
so. I'm running Mailmate as usual and notice that it can't connect to 
any of my mail providers (several addresses, three different providers).


"OK, your internet is down" you say - well no, all other apps works just 
fine


"OK, something is blocking the ports that Mailmate uses to talk to the 
servers" - I don't think so, if I try with Mail (only have 1 account 
configured) sending/fetching works just fine while Mailmate can't 
connect at all. Also, if I quit Mailmate and launch it again everything 
works just fine.


I haven't touched the OS in any way and it only seem to affect Mailmate, 
does anyone have a suggestion for what the cause could be?


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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote:

So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to 
share.


I've never heard about these two before so thanks for bringing them to 
my attention. For me personally the notification stuff isn't a problem 
since I turn them off for email - I've just set it to "manually" so I 
don't get disturbed by them.


If you're going to write a blog post I suggest that you look at the user 
agreements also, I've been trying out various iOS clients earlier and 
after a while I started to read the user agreements ... and that made be 
delete the apps. In short, an email client should talk to the mail 
servers I've set up ... nothing else, some iOS clients talk to a lot of 
different kinds of servers and in some cases transfers emails or part of 
them to other servers.


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Re: [MlMt] Problem getting custom shortcuts to work, I'm missing something

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 29 Apr 2020, at 11:13, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


I believe it should be a semicolon extra like this.

{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
};
}


Yes, I noticed that before ... I actually got the idea that it should 
look like this


{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
}
};


Which didn't help, then tried

{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
};
};

but I didn't try

{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
};
}

which works. Thanks.

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[MlMt] Problem getting custom shortcuts to work, I'm missing something

[Jan Erik Moström]

I have this setup

{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
}
}

in the file

/Users/jem/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/jem.plist


I've also enabled "Custom Key Bindings" and entered "jem" in the field. 
The keywords are defined in the preferences with the IMAP Keyword 
spelled as above.


I've restarted Mailmate but typing "ma" when having a email selected 
doesn't do anything ... so I've made some kind of error. Can anyone see 
what?


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Re: [MlMt] Standard reply/respons mails

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 22 Apr 2020, at 16:29, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote:

I would add to what Stefan said that, in addition to TextExpander 
which I used for a while, there is also Typinator which I use now and 
that I now prefer. Both TextExpander and Typinator can do what you 
need, including things like presenting you with a text with 
placeholders for the name of the client for example (or other 
variables) before pasting the canned response.


Depending on the size of your company and how many people answer 
customers, I think that TextExpander now has features for sharing 
snippets among team members.


My suggestion: if you are alone or working separately from each other 
then Typinator is better (faster, nicer ... I just like it better), but 
if you need to use several machines and/or sync for several users then 
Textexpander is probably better.


Personally I prefer Typinator but since I'm on several different 
machines I use Textexpander.


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Re: [MlMt] Mails I send from Iphone not visible in 'Sent messages' in MailMate on computer

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 5 Mar 2020, at 11:50, Joakim Frögren wrote:

I have a problem in that the mails I send from my Iphone are not 
visible in ’Sent messages’ in MailMate on my computer (MacBook 
Air). How can I

solve this?


Check if you use the same outbox.

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[MlMt] Replying to redirected email - setting the to and from addresses

[Jan Erik Moström]

At work I have an email address which I don't want to add to MailMate. 
It's an Exchange account and I've set it to redirect email to my regular 
account. Assume that I've sent a test email to the email account which 
then redirect this to my regular account. When this shows up in MailMate 
it has the following headers:


resent-from: x...@yyy.se
from: a...@b.se
to: x...@yyy.se

This message shows up in my regular work account j...@cs.umu.se. When I 
reply to this MailMate sets the the following addresses


from: "a...@b.se" (the one which I used to send the test mail from, 
not j...@cs.umu.se)

to: x...@yyy.se (the email address which I don't want to check)

What I want is to have this

from: j...@cs.umu.se
to: a...@b.se

Is this possible?

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Re: [MlMt] Mail-Templates?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 20 Feb 2019, at 9:44, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote:

thanks, I’ve been using that one and the keyboard short cuts 
sometimes just don’t work.
All in all I consider Textexpander buggy and I was looking for an 
alternative ;-)


The way I use "templates" is to create them in Typinator (I moved away 
from Textexpander) since I tend to use different apps and doesn't want 
to set them up in each app.


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Re: [MlMt] Mass deletion of rules and smart mailboxes

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Jan 2019, at 14:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> You can also edit it if you can figure out what to remove :)

Thanks !

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[MlMt] Mass deletion of rules and smart mailboxes

[Jan Erik Moström]

I've been "patching" my mail setup by using various rules attached to 
mailboxes + smart mailboxes. For various reasons this patching doesn't 
work any longer for me ... it's too confusing. So I want to clean up a 
bit, is there some easy way to remove all smart mailboxes and rules 
attached to regular mailboxes?


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Re: [MlMt] Probable New User with POP Question

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Nov 2018, at 8:51, Jack Stewart wrote:

I'm liking most of what I have read about Mailmate and want to use it 
but I am completely inexperienced with IMAP, have no good friends who 
use it, and am wondering:

1) What transition problems from POP to IMAP will I encounter?


Since you have used POP I assume that you have your emails stored 
locally, IMAP (usually) stores your messages on the server. So you will 
probably have to export your emails from your POP client to mbox files 
and then import them into MailMate. If the messages imported are stored 
on the server (if you use MailMate they are unless you install a mail 
server locally on you Mac) then you need to have the storage on your 
server to do this.



2) What is not to like about IMAP compared to POP?


Probably several things but there are also things to like (simple 
migration between clients for example).


(e.g. Will I be able to easily retain my existing 500 mailboxes with 
their present contents?)


If they live locally (unless you have set some "leave on server" flag in 
your mail client) you probably need to do some manual work.


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[MlMt] Fuzzy text - just me or ...?

[Jan Erik Moström]

I just downloaded 5537 and noticed that the text in the sidebar is 
slightly larger than in the previous version I used and also a bit 
fuzzy.


It kind of looks like the text has been increased by 5-10% and the 
scaling has been done by increasing the pixel size (not the font size). 
The screenshot shows how it looks like.


Is it just me or ...?

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Re: [MlMt] OmniFocus command doesn't work

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 5 Oct 2018, at 11:20, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


It works for me in High Sierra.


Yes, it used to work for me also ... I'm not when it stopped working, if 
it was when I updated to Mohave or of it was after that.


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[MlMt] OmniFocus command doesn't work

[Jan Erik Moström]

Here is something I just discovered - have anyone a explanation for why 
it doesn't work?


First a test:

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I use the Quick Entry to create a new entry
+ Works

Another test:

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I switch to MailMate so that it's the front app
+ I use the Quick Entry to create a new entry (not from an email)
+ Works

Third test

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I switch to MailMate so that it's the front app
+ I use the menu command: command->OmniFocus->Add with summary
+ A Quick Entry window opens and I click "save" to create a new entry
+ It does not work.

Any idea why this doesn't work? Anything to do with the new permissions 
in Mohave?


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Re: [MlMt] Rule to bounce messages with no subject

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 4 Oct 2018, at 16:12, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

As a side-rant… what kind of mail client allows you to send a 
message with a blank subject! Oh. Ya. Gmail.


And mailmate ... and most other clients I know of
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Re: [MlMt] Some small questions I hope?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 27 Sep 2018, at 8:29, Maurice Mines wrote:

 I have two questions, one how can I get the most current message to 
appear at the top of the list, instead of the very bottom of the list?


If you click on the column namn you can sort on that field, click a 
second time and the sort order will reverse


My second question is how can I delete  a large amount of email 
messages at once? Any suggestions?


Select the messages you want to delete (if you want to delete all 
messages in a mailbox, select all by pressing command-A) and hit the 
delete button.


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Re: [MlMt] Delete/change email address for auto-complete list? Or a warn list?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 31 May 2018, at 4:04, Randall Gellens wrote:

(1) Is there a way to delete or modify the emails that get 
auto-populated?


Tell MailMate to use your address book for looking up email addresses 
(the composer preference pane -> Auto Completion Sources).


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Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Apr 2018, at 15:29, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


is there some way to get Mailsmith


I didn't notice this Freudian "misspelling" until it was pointed out to 
me just a few minutes ago ... I of course meant MailMate :)


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Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 27 Apr 2018, at 12:03, Charlie Garrison wrote:

> Fantastical creates the event next Friday.

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Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 27 Apr 2018, at 0:34, Charlie Garrison wrote:

I've got an "old" version of Fantastical. The above string results in 
a location of "MIT-place seminar room". Is that what you were asking?


I'm more interested in the date, BusyCal - which I use - focus on friday 
and puts the event today, not next week. Calendar schedules the seminar 
correctly. I'm curious what Fantastical says.


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Re: [MlMt] recentsd used by MailMate?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 13 Mar 2018, at 7:09, Angelo Machils wrote:

Even though I don’t use Apple Mail (it’s not even configured), I 
notice that recentsd is started and using a lot of memory if the 
system has been on for some time (between 2 and 2.5Gb.). The only 
thing I can find, are some older reports of this being a problem with 
older versions of Mail, but I don’t even start/use this. Does 
MailMate use recentsd as well?


The first thing I saw was that this was caused by a Safari bug
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Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 21 Feb 2018, at 15:38, John Cooper wrote:

The biggest adjustment is not to worry about emptying the IN mailbox 
but establish a set of smart mailboxes (and tags) to create a 
workflow similar to what you had before. Takes a bit effort but it is 
surely possible.



Smart mailboxes work equally well whether you keep your messages in a 
single mailbox or file them away as usual. I expect always to continue 
using a small range of IMAP mailboxes so I can easily find my most 
important messages when I use webmail, my phone, or someone else's 
computer: a mailbox for paperless tickets, for example.


I would suggest keeping the inbox(es) as clean as possible. I move all 
mailing list emails etc into mailboxes especially for this and then use 
smart mailboxes for more fine grained control. And as John writes, there 
is no good cross-platform solution for viewing smart mailboxes on your 
phone, etc. So for this I keep four mailboxes "DoNow", "Fix", 
"Reference", "ReadLater" and have a few shortcuts that quickly let me 
move messages to/from these mailboxes. This way I can easily find them 
on my phone etc. (My goal is to keep these as empty as possible).


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Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 20 Feb 2018, at 21:08, Ron Britton wrote:

I'm trying to keep an open mind.  Just because I've done things one 
way for 25

years doesn't mean it's best (usually the opposite).


:D

I tried IMAP a couple of years ago, and I just wasn't happy having to 
go onto

the server to get copies of emails I needed to look at again.


Strange, I've never had that happen on a laptop - all email have been 
cached locally by the clients I've used.



MailMate would
allow me to find it on my hard drive, but then why do I need a copy 
sitting up
on the server?  This is obviously a philosophical question about 
approach to

email.


Yes, when I switched to IMAP (when I bought my first iPhone and wanted 
to access email from it) I had some "mental issues" with this but I've 
changed my mind. Having the emails on the server as well as on laptop 
have made my life easier, I have the emails in two places, I can easily 
try new mail clients or use two email clients on the same machine (yep, 
it happens), or use different computers/laptop/ipad/phone/etc. It's 
really easy and fast to try something new and/or move around - if I'm 
really desperate all I need is a browser and I can access the email from 
almost anywhere (happens 1-2 times/year).


The need to access from more than one machine is a possibility in the 
future.
Maybe I could try to keep only emails from the last month or year on 
the
server and within MailMate.  Older stuff that I still want I could 
offload to
my main computer.  Elsewhere on this list, people have discussed 
archiving
emails.  DevonThink, EagleFiler, and Foxtrot were mentioned.  I could 
look

into some sort of approach using one of those.


My personal take on this: don't bother (if you have the disk space), 
none of the email archiving solutions I've seen does a really good job. 
It's way easier to keep them all on the server, once again assuming you 
have the disk space but emails takes up surprisingly little disk space 
(at least for me) - for example, my ISP gives me 100GB disk storage and 
I'm not anywhere close to use up but a fraction of this (I had to check, 
it's a few procent) and at work I have unlimited storage.


So in my case the solutions would be (assuming you already have normal 
backup):


1. Don't bother - my current strategy

2. Move the email to be archived into specific mailbox (by year?) and
   stop subscribing to them. This way you have the emails available by
   simply subscribing to the mailboxes.

3. If I didn't have disk space I would probably start up an IMAP server
   on my NAS at home and use that as a storage solution.

4. My final alternative which I've done a number of times is to save the
   mailbox(es) to a text file and in addition store the email in 
Devonthink.
   That way I have one backup that let me recover my mails in my mail 
client

   and a quick way to search old emails.

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Re: [MlMt] Moving providers

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 14 Feb 2018, at 10:29, i...@circa.dk wrote:

I've done that before too when moving mail between different accounts. 
What I'm a little unsure about is when I'm moving the same account to 
a different server. I've had bad experiences in the past when syncing 
mail to a new server in that it just deletes the existing mail in the 
client when the server syncs first time. But perhaps I'm just 
overthinking it ...


To be safe you could just export the emails to a file first, making sure 
you have a backup.


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Re: [MlMt] Moving providers

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 14 Feb 2018, at 9:19, i...@circa.dk wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best procedure when moving 
IMAP providers/servers? I have a couple of domains with a couple of 
email addresses on each and 2-3 GB of mail on the server (and in 
Mailmate of course). I'm not 100% happy with my current provider, so 
I'm considering moving to a different one. But how best to do it 
without losing mail? And if anyone has any recommendations as to 
providers I'm all ears. Preferably northern Europe/Scandinavia. But 
anywhere in the world will do if there are compelling reasons to go 
there.


I'm using Binero.se with their basic hosting plan - email has worked 
just fine for me. Used Loopia.se previously (many years ago) but on a 
couple of occasions they screwed up email handling and didn't inform 
customers about what was happening etc so I'm staying away from them.


As for moving emails, I've done it the simple way: in my email client 
I've just dragged the emails from the account I had with one provider to 
the account I have with the other provider. The only time I've had 
problems with this is when moving to/from gmail (which is one reason why 
I'm staying away from them also).


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Re: [MlMt] Enhancement request: Right click on URL and launch non-default browser?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Jan 2018, at 15:37, David Green wrote:


You could always use Bumpr 


And a similar program:  http://www.browserfairy.com which, in addition 
to just presently user choice, allows you to add some rules for 
auto-selecting on browser or another.


Or Choosy https://www.choosyosx.com

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Re: [MlMt] Security

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 22 Jan 2018, at 15:30, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

At least not for the Inbox. I guess push notifications could also be 
used for read receipts, but again, MailMate doesn't support that.


Which is good :)
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Re: [MlMt] Security

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 22 Jan 2018, at 15:04, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Thank you. I've been looking around at email clients and I saw that 
Airmail and Spark both had some sort of additional functionality which 
required them to store email addresses and associated passwords on 
their servers. That makes me uncomfortable.



I guess that feature might be “read receipts” implemented using 
server-side images. This is not supported by MailMate and it'll most 
definitely not be implemented if it involves the MailMate server.


Probably push notification ... at least that is how I read Airmail user 
agreements, that if you don't enable push notifications then they store 
nothing.


(Yep, I've deleted both Airmail and Spark from my iOS devices because 
their user agreements)


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Re: [MlMt] Security

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 17 Jan 2018, at 8:33, Fabian Blechschmidt wrote:


Or sent anywhere?


MailMate is not "cloud" - so except the mail server itself I assume it 
stays on your machine.


Except for the obvious thing of logging in to the mail server to 
validate that you is you.


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Re: [MlMt] Rule for mailbox X in all accounts?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

If I understand correctly then this would be very much like the 
existing standard mailboxes (like “Archive”). It's on my todo to 
makes these configurable (both to allow users to reduce and expand the 
set of standard mailboxes), but I haven't made any progress on that.


Yep, that's a good description.

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[MlMt] Rule for mailbox X in all accounts?

[Jan Erik Moström]

Is it possible to define a smart mailbox that lists all messages from 
mailbox X in each account *without* having to list them individually?

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Re: [MlMt] Dowload of fonts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 11 Nov 2017, at 8:38, Patrik Fältström wrote:

I just got a spam message and wanted to investigate it more closely. 
Mailmate wanted to download a font though to display the message.


This happens to me one in a while, most from some mailing list with a 
Japanse (?) sender.


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[MlMt] iOS client that doesn't suck?

[Jan Erik Moström]

Does anyone know of an iOS email client that

+ Don't use top posting
+ Use plain text

Also, as an added bonus: can create smart mailboxes based on the IMAP 
tags that MailMate creates?


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Re: [MlMt] Advice for new user

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Oct 2017, at 3:52, Robert Goldman wrote:


What do other users do?


I'm not going to be of much help I'm afraid.

I used to keep a number of mailboxes for the various courses I was 
teaching, etc, etc. But I spent more time filing that actually looking 
things up.


For the last 5 years or so I've been using one "Archive" folder (and of 
course the "Sent" folder) and then searching for email when I need them 
(or using the correspondence view in MailMate).


As a complement I use 6 smart folders:

+ Do Now !!!
+ Fix
+ Waiting
+ Reference
+ Read Later
+ Flagged

and then shortcuts to easily set/remove flags as needed.

The only problem with this is that I can't see the smart folders on my 
iPhone/iPad.


This works because I realized that I rarely needed those folders and 
replacing them with searching meant less work for me.


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Re: [MlMt] A couple of newbie issues

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 17 Oct 2017, at 13:40, i...@circa.dk wrote:

Saving attachments: I often get messages containing several 
attachments. However, I very rarely
need to save all the attachments and I almost never want to save them 
in the same place. So I
really need to be able to choose which attachments from a message are 
to be saved and be presented

with a dialog so I can choose where to save them. Is this possible?


Yep, just ctrl-click on the attachment and select from the contextual 
popup


Replying: Even though I have 'only include selected text' checked in 
the preferences MM quotes the
whole message I'm replying to if nothing is selected. How do I make 
this stop? If nothing is

selected I don't want anything quoted at all. Ever.


Don't know - I usually don't do this. I just delete everything if I need 
it.



An email app should NEVER by default quote full
messages when replying.


Agree


Nor should it be necessary.


Agree


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Re: [MlMt] Sort by unread / Selection Bar Always at Bottom

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 15 Sep 2017, at 8:36, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Hi, yes I do this for other folders as well. But I have many, so for 
the folders with low frequency I try to avoid it.


However, the sorting by unread and than by received would be nice 
anyway as a shortcut. Maybe a single switch to just show unread 
messages in any mailbox would be possible?


Would it work to have a smart mailbox for unread and then set it to show 
submailboxes as desired?


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Re: [MlMt] Templates

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 15 Sep 2017, at 0:46, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Saved messages in Drafts might have been usable for this if MM allowed 
to edit drafts as new messages as it does for sent messages. This has 
been requested — see [ticket 
1632]().


As a work around: some "snippet manager" like for example Typinator. 
Then it would be


1. Reply to message
2. Select all text and type abbreviation
3. Template is inserted (and the template might be a form)

Not perfect but it has its advantages
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Re: [MlMt] Question about redisplay after mail fetch

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 12 Sep 2017, at 20:48, Robert Goldman wrote:

However, I do NOT see it in the message list pane in the upper right.  
Is there something I am doing wrong to make this (not) happen?


My first reaction to this was: have you the counters set to display new 
messages and not unreplied/recent or something similar?


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Re: [MlMt] Request to move 'QuickLook' and 'Save' buttons to left

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 28 Aug 2017, at 9:17, David Ledger wrote:

What address does 'Send Feedback' use? I can redirect the list message 
to that, hopefully adding those files.


"MailMate Feedback" 
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Re: [MlMt] clicking on threaded conversations messages dissapear

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 28 Aug 2017, at 8:30, Max Andersen wrote:

> How do I send you that file without sharing it on this public list ?

I would suggest that you use the "Send Feedback" command in the "Help" menu.

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Re: [MlMt] indent

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 21 Aug 2017, at 16:05, Aaron Falk wrote:

> Is there way to get an indented, wrapped paragraph?

A quote? Start line with a '>'

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Re: [MlMt] indent

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 21 Aug 2017, at 16:02, Aaron Falk wrote:


Am I confused or is this a bug?


If you use Markdown then an indented line means, this is code and should 
be displayed as is.


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Re: [MlMt] Green badge?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Jun 2017, at 20:52, davecc wrote:

It is also in menu bar (sorry not mentioned before). Clicked in menu 
bar: says 1 flagged mag in Inbox. Sorted by flag (twice), no such msg.


Suggestion, make a smart mailbox that matches flagged messages then you 
can see which message it is.


My experience is that I sometime make "fancy" stuff with my setup and 
forget that certain messages isn't in the place they are supposed to be 
or not displayed in the way I think they are.

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Re: [MlMt] Data detectors ... some substitute?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Apr 2017, at 9:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

It works for me to select the date and use the Calendar command. For 
your email it also works for me to not select the text, but I haven't 
checked if that worked with the original email.


You might be able to debug the command from a Terminal window like 
this:


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDebugCommands -bool YES


I don't know if it was the restart och that I set the default calendar 
but now it works.


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Re: [MlMt] Data detectors ... some substitute?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Apr 2017, at 9:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Ah, if nothing is selected in a displayed message then “Copy” puts 
the message file itself on the pasteboard. It can then, e.g., be 
pasted in a Finder window. Pasting it in a Composer window would 
attach it (since MailMate itself now sees it as a file on the 
pasteboard). The problem here is probably not how it works, but that 
the Composer, in general, is too subtle about whether or not something 
is attached.


That would probably explain it.
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Re: [MlMt] Data detectors ... some substitute?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Apr 2017, at 9:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Maybe you tried getting the date string into the email by dragging the 
email into the composer? (This attaches the email as if you used 
“Message ▸ Forward as Attachment”).


No, I think I did a copy ... but perhaps I'm remembering wrong.
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Re: [MlMt] Data detectors ... some substitute?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Apr 2017, at 8:35, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

There is one thing I'm missing from Mail and that is data detectors. 
For me the Calendar command doesn't seem to work - nothing happens.


Does anyone have a suggestion for how to quickly create calendar 
entries from something like "April 6, 10:15-12:00 in MA 136" directly 
from MailMate (and please tell me if I missed something that already 
exists)


I wonder why the emails got copied into the message to the list ... hmmm
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[MlMt] Data detectors ... some substitute?

[Jan Erik Moström]

There is one thing I'm missing from Mail and that is data detectors. For 
me the Calendar command doesn't seem to work - nothing happens.


Does anyone have a suggestion for how to quickly create calendar entries 
from something like "April 6, 10:15-12:00 in MA 136" directly from 
MailMate (and please tell me if I missed something that already exists)


= jem--- Begin Message ---
Hi!

I just want to remind you in time of the meeting on Thursday. We will have an 
introduction where Suna, Ahmed and Martin will say something. Then Mats 
Tysklind from Chemistry will explain what they did a while ago, and then we 
plan to have a general discussion.

Frank

> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 21:19 skrev Frank Drewes :
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The department’s FF-råd has decided to arrange the next research staff 
> meeting on April 6, 10:15-12:00 in MA 136. Please enter this into your 
> calendar if you want to attend.
> 
> Topic and purpose
> =
> We want to discuss how to make an inventory/overview of the research 
> landscape at the department. This could be valuable for future strategies, 
> but also reveal interesting connections between the work of different groups 
> or individuals. A similar kind of overview is currently being discussed at 
> the faculty level by the faculty’s research committee. A more fine-grained 
> analysis at the department level would thus fit well with their ideas. At the 
> meeting, Martin will explain at bit more about the research committee’s 
> plans. Afterwards we intend to discuss what kind of analysis we can and want 
> to make at the department level, what we would like to know, and how to go 
> about.
> 
> Participants
> 
> The intended target group consists of the department’s permanent research 
> staff (”lärartjänster”) but others, e.g. doctoral and post-doctoral students, 
> are welcome as well if they want to join.
> 
> Frank


--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Hi!

I just want to remind you in time of the meeting on Thursday. We will have an 
introduction where Suna, Ahmed and Martin will say something. Then Mats 
Tysklind from Chemistry will explain what they did a while ago, and then we 
plan to have a general discussion.

Frank

> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 21:19 skrev Frank Drewes :
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The department’s FF-råd has decided to arrange the next research staff 
> meeting on April 6, 10:15-12:00 in MA 136. Please enter this into your 
> calendar if you want to attend.
> 
> Topic and purpose
> =
> We want to discuss how to make an inventory/overview of the research 
> landscape at the department. This could be valuable for future strategies, 
> but also reveal interesting connections between the work of different groups 
> or individuals. A similar kind of overview is currently being discussed at 
> the faculty level by the faculty’s research committee. A more fine-grained 
> analysis at the department level would thus fit well with their ideas. At the 
> meeting, Martin will explain at bit more about the research committee’s 
> plans. Afterwards we intend to discuss what kind of analysis we can and want 
> to make at the department level, what we would like to know, and how to go 
> about.
> 
> Participants
> 
> The intended target group consists of the department’s permanent research 
> staff (”lärartjänster”) but others, e.g. doctoral and post-doctoral students, 
> are welcome as well if they want to join.
> 
> Frank


--- End Message ---
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Re: [MlMt] Domain whitelist for remote content, revisited

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Feb 2017, at 19:11, Sam Hathaway wrote:


- I'd like to see some of these images.
- Hm, do I click "Load Once"? I have no idea how many questions Little 
Snitch will make me answer.

- OK, let's do it!
- [Answer like a dozen allow/deny questions]
- Damn, I guessed wrong and denied a domain that had an image I 
needed.

- [Go to Little Snitch preferences and change settings]


Hmmm, here I would (and do) click "forever" and select allow/deny for 
the various domains. In the beginning Little Snitch will ask a lot but 
after a while most of the links already have a rule. Alternatively you 
open LS and define a rule that blocks most stuff and the add some 
exceptions to that rule (I think that works).


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Re: [MlMt] Create replies from templates

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 3 Feb 2017, at 19:32, Martin Guddat wrote:

I am looking for a way to automate reponding to email without getting 
to generic, so I want to give a proper greeting as well as matching 
salutation. For this I would like to use something like templates. For 
a given response I would have to select from a set of options 
(salutation male/femame/unknown, formal or informal greeting etc) and 
fill the template with data I get from the mail.


I found some discussion on templates and mail merge as well as some 
notes from Benny on "Commands"  19 Jan 2014, at 16:22) but nothing 
conclusive. Is there more available on this topic or anyone minds to 
share his workflow on things like this?


One quick and dirty solution is to use a utility like TextExpander to 
handle this and similar problems in other apps.


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Re: [MlMt] Tags not stored with IMAP?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 2 Feb 2017, at 18:30, John Cooper wrote:

I'm surprised to find that the tags I apply on my main computer aren't 
attached to the same messages on my secondary computer; they appear to 
be machine-specific. I take it that tags aren't supported by the IMAP 
standard?


They are stored on the server, at least on the servers I'm using. But 
remember that you have to "connect" the "Display Name"/Icon with the 
IMAP Keyword on each computer (the "Tags" preference pane).


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Re: [MlMt] Inbox vs All Messages

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 16 Jan 2017, at 16:56, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I think you misread my post. I meant that it seems that Sent, Drafts, 
and Archive are included
in All Messages and that is the difference to Inbox. The documentation 
implies that but does not state it explicitly.


I haven't checked everything in the manual but this is perhaps what you 
are referring to


The first mailbox in the mailbox outline, “All Messages”, contains 
all messages in your
IMAP account(s) except those in the designated mailboxes for deleted 
messages or

messages marked as junk.


My interpretation of this is that All Messages contains all messages in 
the IMAP account(s) except deleted and junk (as it says in the manual). 
In other words, if you only have one account (as an example) and have 
created N number of mailboxes for that mail account then All Messages 
will contain the messages stored in those mailboxes also. Inbox will 
only contain the messages stored in the designated incoming mailbox.


BTW, it is misleading to say that Inbox is for “new” messages. 
Better to say “incoming” messages - their age is irrelevant.


My fault ... I just keep new messages in my incoming mailbox ... so in 
my case my statement is true but I realise that this is not true for all 
others.


Furthermore, they do not have to include only a Mailbox called Inbox. 
Inbox is really a type of standard mailbox. For example, one Outlook 
account I use has a mailbox called Clutter, which is also of type 
Inbox and is shown by MM together with Outlook’s Inbox (which is 
fine). The same is true for Trash, Junk, Sent, Archive, Drafts are — 
the actual names of those mailboxes can vary from server to server.


Yes, I know ... I was trying to keep things simple to make easier to 
explain the mailboxes.



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Re: [MlMt] Inbox vs All Messages

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:56, Robert Brenstein wrote:


All Messages


All messages that you have, no matter in which mailbox the physically 
reside



and Inbox


New messages, the inbox is a unified inbox for all accounts. You can see 
the individual account is you expand it




Send Messages


Message you have sent. Sent Messages is a unified inbox for all 
accounts. You can see the individual account is you expand it



Drafts
Messages you are writing right now but haven't sent yet, they can also 
contain messages where you have pressed to send button but they haven't 
actually been sent yet (offline, problem with the mail server, etc). 
Drafts is a unified inbox for all accounts. You can see the individual 
account is you expand it




Archive?
When you archive messages they end up here. Archive is a unified inbox 
for all accounts. You can see the individual account is you expand it



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[MlMt] Automating Mailmate - best way?

[Jan Erik Moström]

Hi,

If I want to automate certain aspects of my mail handling what is the 
best way to go about this. Classes of things I would like to do are


+ Create a new emails
+ Call on a script with references to one or more selected emails
(+ Trigger a script based an a filter)

I looked at the applescript dictionary and it seem to be pretty basic 
(too basic to be useful??). I also looked at some of the bundles and it 
looks like any kind of language would work here.


So, is there some language that is a "better choice" for some reason 
when interacting with Mailmate? Personally, it doesn't matter much but I 
would prefer not to use Cobol, Fortran or APL :D


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 30 Nov 2016, at 21:26, Charlie Garrison wrote:

I don’t about “should” do it that way, but certainly “could” 
do it that way. 


For me, I just use contact groups; business contacts in one group, 
personal in a second group. Of course some are in both groups, and I 
have a couple of extra groups for special use cases. 


I've done both - I ended up using the last version. Most 
practical/flexible for me but that's just me (and Charlie apparently :D 
).


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 30 Nov 2016, at 12:49, Robert Brenstein wrote:

So, to rephrase it, if someone does not want to mix email-related 
contacts with regular contacts, one should designate Apple's Contacts 
as basically a private address book for MailMate and use BusyContacts 
or else for regular contacts. Right?


You can use BC all the time and set it to use multiple services but MM 
will only see the iCloud/Contacts info.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:59, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

is anybody using BusyContacts and knows to to use its contact database 
for MailMate instead of the bug-prone standard Apple crap?


What do you mean with "to use"?

(I use BC)

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Re: [MlMt] Schedule posts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Nov 2016, at 19:54, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


How do you all schedule posts?


Thanks to all who answered, I should have found this by myself but 
apparently I'm getting half-blind or something.


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[MlMt] Schedule posts

[Jan Erik Moström]

Hi,

How do you all schedule posts?

For various reasons (I know, I know) I would sometimes like to schedule 
posts for a later delivery. Does anyone do that in MailMate?


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Re: [MlMt] SpamSieve and Inbox vs All Messages

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 20 Nov 2016, at 23:12, Charlie Garrison wrote:

I’ve had SpamSieve set to apply to new messages in “All 
Messages”, but that also catches outgoing messages. If I change that 
setting to “Inbox”, will messages get passed through SpamSieve 
before being filtered into another mailbox?


In my experience: Yes.

If you have some other program filtering email before MM sees them, set 
up a smart mailbox for "unread emails everywhere" and then point 
SpamSieve to that. Works nicely.


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Re: [MlMt] List headers view default?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 15 Nov 2016, at 14:45, Bill Cole wrote:

updates.mailmate-app.com resolves normally for me from 4 disjoint 
networks in Zurich, Newark NJ US, NYC, and Detroit. The SOA serial 
number on the DNS zone implies that the last change was almost 2 years 
ago and the A record hs a fill day TTL, so it's probably not a case of 
a transient failure during a change.


In short: it looks like that's a problem local to you.


Could have been something temporary, at home every thing worked as 
expected


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Re: [MlMt] List headers view default?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 15 Nov 2016, at 9:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Yes, this does not currently work very well. For now, I've changed the 
default behavior to the list format, but I need to make this (and many 
other mailbox related settings) more easily configurable. Hold down 
⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences 
pane to get the latest test release.


Interesting, I just tried to run the update check since it's been a 
while since I saw an update and got this


Could not resolve host: updates.mailmate-app.com

Have I missed any message about this? Where is the latest beta 
available?


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Re: [MlMt] Changing names of flags

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 15 Nov 2016, at 9:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

No, they are currently hardcoded. I guess I could make it optional if 
you have a convincing use case which could not be solved using tags 
:-)


Nope :D

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[MlMt] Changing names of flags

[Jan Erik Moström]

Is it possible to change the name of the flags, from "Red", "Orange", 
... to for example "Apple", "Banana", ...?


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[MlMt] Strange question: "hiding" new emails count during certain times of the day

[Jan Erik Moström]

I'm playing around with an idea I got, is there some easy way to turn 
off "unread mail indication" for (smart) mailboxes during certain times.


I can control if the number of unread messages for a (smart) mailbox is 
shown or not, but is there a simple way to automatically control this 
setting (I assume using some script). For example, I don't want to see 
this count on mailbox X during Wednesdays and 12:30-17:15 on Mondays.


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[MlMt] Organisation of smart mailboxes?

[Jan Erik Moström]

I've started to use a number of smart mailboxes and I want to keep most 
of them in a "group" (they belong together but doesn't necessarily have 
a relation to each other).


The natural way would be to put these into a "folder" or something 
similar. And this is also what I do for handling for example mailing 
lists:


smart mailbox for all list mails
smart mailbox for subject A
smart mailbox for subject B
etc

And I can of course create a dummy smart mailbox to contain other smart 
mailboxes:


dummy smart mailbox with no rules
smart mailbox for task R
smart mailbox for perston T
etc

For some reason it bothers me (can't explain why :D) to have a smart 
mailbox without any function other than to contain other smart 
mailboxes. So my question is simply: is there some kind of "folder 
functionality" for organising smart mailboxes?



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Re: [MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 24 Oct 2016, at 9:43, Thomas Grundberg wrote:

Ibland önskar jag att det sätt datorerna kodar bokstäver hade 
uppfunnits i t.ex. Kina, då hade vi sluppit ASCII.


Skrivit av Moström, i Umeå Västerbotten


Hehe, håller med. Och världen hade välsignats med räksmörgåsar!


M önskar att det är måltidsdags nu :D

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Re: [MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 23 Oct 2016, at 23:21, Bill Cole wrote:


plain text in the One True Encoding, US-ASCII. :)


Ibland önskar jag att det sätt datorerna kodar bokstäver hade 
uppfunnits i t.ex. Kina, då hade vi sluppit ASCII.


Skrivit av Moström, i Umeå Västerbotten

:D :D :D

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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Aug 2016, at 13:00, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

Price, initial buy yes, but the upgrade fees has been pretty widely 
spaced ... I've probably had DT for 10-20 years (I have no idea) and 
think I've payed for upgrade once or twice.


I actually had to check and I bought Devonthink in 2003 and upgraded on 
2006 (to the Pro Office version, don't think that was a "normal" update) 
and in 2015.


So compared to apps like EndNote, Lightroom, etc I think it's fairly 
cheap.


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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Aug 2016, at 18:31, Howard Wettstein wrote:

I wish I could hang out for an hour with a DT user and see how it 
goes. Looks fascinating but complicated. Also, I've seen references to 
syncing it across one's machines and devices. Is it possible, easy to 
do this?


Yep, the new version allows this. I haven't tried it that much yet but 
it seem to be fairly reliable so far.


Only problem is that the options on the iOS client is a bit confusing 
(when setting up)... but I suspect that it's just a matter of getting 
used to.


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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Aug 2016, at 22:29, Paul Sture wrote:

> Can you please explain what the 'the all-important “-“ command' is?

Same question, what have I missed?

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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 26 Aug 2016, at 4:32, Roger Bohn wrote:

Devonthink is overkill - it has a lot of document management 
capabilities that are not needed. (And the price reflects it.) 
Managing PDFs, taking notes and excerpts from them, linking among 
documents, built-in OCR, and on and on.


It's all a matter of what perspective you have. For mail archiving only, 
sure ... but if you want a place to store information in general it's 
one of the best apps around.


Price, initial buy yes, but the upgrade fees has been pretty widely 
spaced ... I've probably had DT for 10-20 years (I have no idea) and 
think I've payed for upgrade once or twice.


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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 25 Aug 2016, at 18:01, Scott Schulz wrote:

In DT, is the sync functionality included with the application?  That 
is, if I buy a version, will it sync to other copies of that without 
an additional fee?  I am a longterm EN user, but with their recent 
price increases, I am considering a move to OneNote or Notes (and now 
DT).


Yes, it's included but you have to find a place where to store the data. 
I haven't checked what services they include but I'm using Dropbox.


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Re: [MlMt] Devonthink

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 25 Aug 2016, at 16:38, Howard Wettstein wrote:

I’m intrigued by comments about Devonthink. Could someone give me a 
brief description of the program and how it works? I don’t mean a 
technical account, just a short message about how to use it, what it 
does, etc. Or a link to where I can find such a descriptions. I’ver 
used Evernote for years, love it, and it seems there is overlap.


Devonthink is similar to Evernote in that you can store notes, pdfs, etc 
in a database. But Devonthink takes a different approach than Evernote.


Evernote is an online service (at least if you want to take full 
advantage of the available features) that has clients on a large number 
of platforms. EN stores notes etc in HTML format but it can also "embed" 
files, photos, etc in those pages. The OCR is pretty, organization and 
searching is average, there is good support from various other 
apps/services to use EN. From my point of view I think it works best as 
a capture device for web pages - I don't like it very much from a note 
taking view (the formatting is also troublesome when working on 
different platforms). Biggest problem for me is that it modifies plain 
text files when they are stored as notes (tabs etc are removed since the 
text is stored as HTML), also no Markdown support.


Devonthink on the other hand is a "local app", i.e. there is no cloud 
where you store the data instead everything lives on your Mac (more 
about this later). You can create any number of databases, you can 
organize each database as you like - for example in a hierarchical 
fashion (folders within folders). You can store almost any kind of data 
in its original form - so a text file stays a text file, a word file is 
a word file. Actually, you can tell Devonthink to index files *outside* 
the database which means that you can leave your Word files as normal 
files in a folder somewhere on your harddisk but DT will index them and 
make them searchable from within DT. DT also contains a web browser, a 
very powerful search engine, some "AI" to help you categorize and find 
material, etc. It also supports templates and is highly 
scriptable/extensible.


Evernote have had the convenience advantage because of the syncing and 
the availability on many platforms while DT has pretty much won 
everything else except OCR (EN is more convenient).


They both have user interfaces that be considered ... "rough". EN has an 
almost flat "learning curve" while DT will surprise you for years you 
with functionality that you didn't know existed.


I've used both on-and-off for a long time. And until this summer 
Evernote has won because of the convenience aspect, but this summer 
Devon Technologies released a new syncing engine together with a new iOS 
client ... which makes a huge difference. The convenience advantage is 
now gone for Evernote (I'm all macOS/iOS) so I'm now moving my important 
stuff to DT - will probably continue to use EN for sharing documents etc 
within the family but otherwise I'm going to DT.


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[MlMt] What is the difference between the different HTML stylings?

[Jan Erik Moström]

For the first time I looked at the HTML options ... and notice that 
there were different themes available. So I sent a couple of test mails 
to myself (to two different accounts) and checked how they looked in 
gmail (web and Apple Mail) and to another address (Mailmate and Apple 
Mail).


But they look the same. So either I'm missing something or I have turned 
on some option to not view HTML in my different clients but I can't 
figure out what.


Any ideas?

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Re: [MlMt] toolbar icons!

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 11 Aug 2016, at 16:14, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

> Yay!

What? Where? The v2 beta release?

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Re: [MlMt] will MailMate be a good mail mate for me?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 11 Jun 2016, at 13:28, David Morrison wrote:

This is all very well where there is something common in all of the 
messages, as there might be in mailing lists. However, some mailing 
list do have weird responses that my filters do not pick up.


Worse is where messages grouped in a folder do not have something 
common to search for, such as messages from different people about a 
particular project. Saved searches are useless in this case for 
finding all the relevant messages. (I suppose you could make up some 
really convoluted rules involving listing all the likely people and 
certain keywords to identify the project.)


Sorry but it's really simple, just search for the mailing list header or 
look for the address of mailing list in the recipient fields.


Then if you add sub-searches you can group the messages further if you 
want (I don't)


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Re: [MlMt] will MailMate be a good mail mate for me?

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 10 Jun 2016, at 2:24, Robert Brenstein wrote:

To add to Fredriks answer

Through the years I've used clients like for example Eudoro, Mail, 
Mailsmith (POP only) and now MailMate.


Each of these clients have had their special features that made it more 
or less impossible to replicate a setup in one client so that it works 
as well in another.


For example: Mailsmith have some lovely filtering abilities that makes 
it easy to set up some clever filters that handles for example mailing 
lists in a very nice way, but this doesn't work in Mail since the 
filtering there is rather primitive (even with extensions). MailMate has 
filters but they are not as good as Mailsmith but on the other had there 
are smart mailboxes (or should we call them with their real name "saved 
searches").


Another thing I like with MailMate is that I can set up shortcuts so by 
typing for example "fl" while reading an email I can flag that to being 
read later, "ff" for email to be fixed right now, etc. After flagging I 
can archive the email and use a few smart mailboxes to display messages 
waiting to be acted on (fixed), reference email, waiting for answers, 
etc. Very efficient for my situation.


Most of the traffic, probably like 70% of it, are mailing lists, over 
200 of them. I do not, of course, read all those messages but only 
selected threads. All incoming messages are sorted out by filters into 
close to 300 mailboxes.


I just moved my email list address (I use one address when subscribing 
to mailing lists) back to my computer after reading them on a gmail 
account for a couple of years. And there are a few things that I had to 
do differently from previous clients to make MailMate behave the way I 
wanted. What I've done is first to set up a simple filtering rule that 
moves all list mails into a mailbox (reason: I don't want to see them in 
my unified inbox view), then I've set up a few smart mailboxes in an 
hierarchical fashion that looks in that mailbox and display the 
individual mailing lists.


At the moment it seem to work fine for me but I probably going to make 
some changes to this after


What is left in the inbox is some junk that sneaked thru spam filters 
and a few misc messages.


To only thing that has stayed constant when switching between clients 
have been my use of SpamSieve - my advise is that you shouldn't launch a 
mail client without having SpamSieve installed and running.


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[MlMt] How I use keybindings to make it easier for me to handle email

[Jan Erik Moström]

I like an empty inbox and I finally figured out how I can take advantage of
keybindings to make it easier to get there.

I wrote up a description in case someone else needs some help with doing
the same thing.

http://mostrom.eu/2016/01/29/using-keybindings-in-mailmate/

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Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?

[Jan Erik Moström]

No (I now see that I only answered myself).

I forgot that which I realized about 2 minutes after sending out my
question (yep, I'm stupid :D )

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Lars Ippich  wrote:

> > One question though: On machine A I have some custom keybindings that
> allows me to quickly tag messages and they work just fine. Now I copied the
> keybindings to machine B, defined the keywords and then tried to use the
> keybindings (yes, I've restarted) but nothing seem to happen. Is there
> something more that needs to be done to get this to work?
>
> Did you remember to also active them in your settings on machine B?
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Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?

[Jan Erik Moström]

OK, I'll do it manually (they all have different configurations).

One question though: On machine A I have some custom keybindings that
allows me to quickly tag messages and they work just fine. Now I copied the
keybindings to machine B, defined the keywords and then tried to use the
keybindings (yes, I've restarted) but nothing seem to happen. Is there
something more that needs to be done to get this to work?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailingl...@freron.com>
wrote:

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:30, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
>
> I have three Macs that I use, which currently have different mail accounts.
> However I want to change this a bit and I wonder if there is a way to sync
> the settings between Macs.
>
> What I would like to sync is basically smart mailboxes, key settings and
> other settings in the preferences.
>
> There is (still) no way to do this. The best you can is to “migrate”
> settings by copying .plist files from/to this folder:
>
> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/
>
> Note that you must quit MailMate on both machines before doing this. Only
> copy Sources.plist, Submission.plist, and Identities.plist if you are
> starting over on the destination machine.
>
> Other preferences are stored in this file (like all other OS X
> applications):
>
> ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
>
> You should only copy that file if you are making a clean install.
>
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