Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference 2024 - Registration is NOW OPEN

[Ivet Petrova]

Looking forward to meeting you, Wido :)
First registrations are here!

Best regards,


 

On 9 Apr 2024, at 7:54, Wido den Hollander  wrote:

Great! I'm going to be there! :-)

Wido

Op 08/04/2024 om 16:41 schreef Ivet Petrova:
Hi All,
I am delighted to announce that the registration for CloudStack Collaboration 
Conference 2024 is now open.
I also would like to encourage you all to register here: 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-2024-tickets-879401903767
This year, CCC2024 will require a ticket purchase to attend. The reason for 
this is that as you know, our event relies entirely on community support and 
sponsorship, so that we can organise it on an yearly basis. The CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference 2024 is a non-profit event, and we use all the 
sponsorship for the sake of the event - venue, catering, welcome bags for the 
attendees, etc.
IMPORTANT: The CloudStack Collaboration Conference is and will always be a free 
to attend event for all project committers. Use promo code CommitterFREE24 for 
registration.
--
The CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2024 Ticket Options are:
Super Early bird: 69 EUR - available until June 15th
Early bird: 99 EUR - available until September 15th
Standard Price - 199 EUR
The ticket fee includes:
- Hackathon Participation
- Access to all sessions and workshops
- Coffee breaks
- Lunch included for Nov 21 and Nov 22
- Drinks after the talks on Nov 21
- Welcome bag with a CloudStack T-shirt and swags
Free Passes are available for:
  *   Speakers
  *   Sponsors
  *   Committers - with promo code
  *   Sponsors will have a discount code to invite their customers and partners 
to join the event
Registrations with a promo code are a subject to review.
--
CCC2024 - Exclusive In-Person Experience in 2024
This year's conference is breaking new ground by going exclusively in-person. 
After careful consideration, collecting feedback from the community and 
planning, this year we will offer to the community the opportunity to meet 
face-to-face, fostering deeper connections and more meaningful interactions 
than ever before.
We did our best to deliver the CloudStack Community to everybody interested 
during the pandemic time for a few years. Now, we are focusing on growing the 
community and giving a chance to all contributors, committers and people 
interested into the project, to meet in-person and interact in a better way.
--
Register here: 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-2024-tickets-879401903767
--
CFP is also OPEN:
The call for speakers is also open here: 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzhEy-v68wyVQcBY3AnQT7OeDVs4xnfvlt3wIlLxV50dP11w/viewform
Best regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference 2024 - Registration is NOW OPEN

[Wido den Hollander via marketing]

Great! I'm going to be there! :-)

Wido

Op 08/04/2024 om 16:41 schreef Ivet Petrova:

Hi All,

I am delighted to announce that the registration for CloudStack Collaboration 
Conference 2024 is now open.
I also would like to encourage you all to register here: 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-2024-tickets-879401903767

This year, CCC2024 will require a ticket purchase to attend. The reason for 
this is that as you know, our event relies entirely on community support and 
sponsorship, so that we can organise it on an yearly basis. The CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference 2024 is a non-profit event, and we use all the 
sponsorship for the sake of the event - venue, catering, welcome bags for the 
attendees, etc.

IMPORTANT: The CloudStack Collaboration Conference is and will always be a free 
to attend event for all project committers. Use promo code CommitterFREE24 for 
registration.

--

The CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2024 Ticket Options are:

Super Early bird: 69 EUR - available until June 15th
Early bird: 99 EUR - available until September 15th
Standard Price - 199 EUR

The ticket fee includes:
- Hackathon Participation
- Access to all sessions and workshops
- Coffee breaks
- Lunch included for Nov 21 and Nov 22
- Drinks after the talks on Nov 21
- Welcome bag with a CloudStack T-shirt and swags


Free Passes are available for:

   *   Speakers
   *   Sponsors
   *   Committers - with promo code
   *   Sponsors will have a discount code to invite their customers and 
partners to join the event

Registrations with a promo code are a subject to review.

--

CCC2024 - Exclusive In-Person Experience in 2024
This year's conference is breaking new ground by going exclusively in-person. 
After careful consideration, collecting feedback from the community and 
planning, this year we will offer to the community the opportunity to meet 
face-to-face, fostering deeper connections and more meaningful interactions 
than ever before.
We did our best to deliver the CloudStack Community to everybody interested 
during the pandemic time for a few years. Now, we are focusing on growing the 
community and giving a chance to all contributors, committers and people 
interested into the project, to meet in-person and interact in a better way.

--

Register here: 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-2024-tickets-879401903767

--

CFP is also OPEN:
The call for speakers is also open here: 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzhEy-v68wyVQcBY3AnQT7OeDVs4xnfvlt3wIlLxV50dP11w/viewform



Best regards,


  

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2022

[Rohit Yadav]

Thanks Jamie, Ivet, the organising team for this.

Looking forward to meeting everyone (in person) in Sofia!


Regards.


From: Ivet Petrova 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 20:36
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org 
Cc: d...@cloudstack.apache.org ; 
marketing@cloudstack.apache.org 
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2022

Great news for opening the registration and CFP!
I am sure this time we will make a stunning agenda and to be honest can wait to 
meet all the friends from the community in Sofia.
I hope you will like the city and enjoy all of the great surprises the 
organisation team will prepare for you!

Kind regards,







 

On 23 May 2022, at 14:44, Jamie Pell 
mailto:jamie.p...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Excited to announce that the CFP and ticket registration for the CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference on 14-16th November this year is open.

CloudStack Collaboration Conference is a 3-day hybrid get-together for the 
global CloudStack community and people interested in open-source technology. 
The hybrid event is aimed at developers, operators and users to discuss and 
evolve the open-source software project, its functionality and real-world 
operability. This event will introduce you to the CloudStack family, community 
leaders, project members and contributors.

CCC will be a hybrid event, located in Sofia, Bulgaria or remotely for those 
who are joining from the office.

If your company is interested in sponsoring the event, you can download the 
sponsorship prospectus from the website and get in touch.

All details can be found on the CloudStack Collaboration 
website.<https://www.cloudstackcollab.org/>

Kind regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2022

[Ivet Petrova]

Great news for opening the registration and CFP!
I am sure this time we will make a stunning agenda and to be honest can wait to 
meet all the friends from the community in Sofia.
I hope you will like the city and enjoy all of the great surprises the 
organisation team will prepare for you!

Kind regards,


 

On 23 May 2022, at 14:44, Jamie Pell 
mailto:jamie.p...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Excited to announce that the CFP and ticket registration for the CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference on 14-16th November this year is open.

CloudStack Collaboration Conference is a 3-day hybrid get-together for the 
global CloudStack community and people interested in open-source technology. 
The hybrid event is aimed at developers, operators and users to discuss and 
evolve the open-source software project, its functionality and real-world 
operability. This event will introduce you to the CloudStack family, community 
leaders, project members and contributors.

CCC will be a hybrid event, located in Sofia, Bulgaria or remotely for those 
who are joining from the office.

If your company is interested in sponsoring the event, you can download the 
sponsorship prospectus from the website and get in touch.

All details can be found on the CloudStack Collaboration 
website.

Kind regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference: The Agenda is Live

[Will Stevens]

Just to follow up on Ivet's email.

The schedule has been updated on the official website as well:
http://cloudstackcollab.org/#schedule

If you see any issues or changes you would like to make to your talk,
please email me and I will update the website accordingly.

Additionally, I don't have pictures for everyone, so if you are in
incognito mode, feel free to send me along your details.  Also, if I am
missing speakers, let me know as well.

Cheers,

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190




On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 9:08 AM Ivet Petrova 
wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Quick edit on previous email: The agenda will be visible for everyone
> after you register for the event.
> We will be very soon also posting the agenda on the official event website.
> But for now, please register to check all talks. And be sure you will be
> more than excited :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2021, at 14:56, Ivet Petrova  ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very excited to share that we have just published the agenda for the
> CloudStack Collaboration Conference!
> The full schedule + talks + info for speakers can be found here:
> https://events.hubilo.com/cloudstack-collaboration-conference/sessions
>
> Our target is to make the biggest online event for our community ever. So
> be sure you register now:
> https://events.hubilo.com/cloudstack-collaboration-conference/register
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference: The Agenda is Live

[Ivet Petrova]

Hi again,

Quick edit on previous email: The agenda will be visible for everyone after you 
register for the event.
We will be very soon also posting the agenda on the official event website.
But for now, please register to check all talks. And be sure you will be more 
than excited :)

Kind regards,


 

On 1 Oct 2021, at 14:56, Ivet Petrova 
mailto:ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

I am very excited to share that we have just published the agenda for the 
CloudStack Collaboration Conference!
The full schedule + talks + info for speakers can be found here:
https://events.hubilo.com/cloudstack-collaboration-conference/sessions

Our target is to make the biggest online event for our community ever. So be 
sure you register now:
https://events.hubilo.com/cloudstack-collaboration-conference/register


Kind regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

As Ivet mentioned, I am happy to make the changes and support on the
website for this event.

Your point is good though Rohit, we could potentially consider a transition
to something like Netlify CMS + Hugo with the updates for this event as
that is not a huge departure from what I have already built, as it is
currently built with Hugo. Even just transitioning to hosting on netlify is
probably a good improvement as we then get PR previews built in, and anyone
with PR merge rights can approve changes and update the website.  I feel
like this is a very reasonable short term solution, and I am happy to
support that transition as it is not a complete rebuild from scratch on my
side, so the effort to support that is quite reasonable.

If we go this path, we probably should move the repos to the Apache org in
order to make changes more accessible for the community. What are your
thoughts on that?

Cheers,

Will

On Fri., Jul. 30, 2021, 4:28 a.m. Ivet Petrova, 
wrote:

> Hi Rohit,
>
> Agree for the website in general. But for this event, I think it is better
> that Will makes the changes, He already agreed to help me and I am working
> on the design to send it to him asap.
> I do not think I will mange with the website editing and migration to
> wordpress by myself time wise.
> And Will is happy to help, so I will gladly collaborate with him on this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Jul 2021, at 11:20, Rohit Yadav  wrote:
>
> Hi Ivet,
>
> Thanks for the hard work, happy to see the progress we've made
> specifically around dates and getting a CFP selection commitee put together
> initiated by Giles on the PMC/private@ list. Are we doing anything around
> sponsors?
>
> 2cents - Unless Will you're happy to engage with Ivet and do the changes
> yourself to the Github repos, it may better if we can move the website to
> something like Wordpress so it is easy for non-technical contributors such
> as Ivet to be able to work without depending on us. Or a workaround using a
> CMS such as netlify cms+hugo? So we keep the website build via Github repo
> but have an easy to use CMS that Ivet can use?
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Ivet Petrova 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2021 12:27
> *To:* Will Stevens 
> *Cc:* Apache CloudStack Marketing 
> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>
> Hi Will,
>
> Thanks for the links. I think it is good to keep up the concept with one
> page website, as it is easy to navigate and we eliminate the complexity.
> Let me think for the visuals and I will come back to you.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2021, at 18:15, Will Stevens  wrote:
>
> Hey Ivet,
> So there are a few different cloudstack collaboration sites that we have.
> The US site is likely a good representation of what we have, but there are
> some design elements that were built that are not currently shown on the
> sites.  I would have to review, but I believe we have code commented out
> for some of those elements.  I believe that I have already built speaker
> profile designs, but I don't think we are showing them on any of the sites
> because when we started running the CCC under the ApacheCon umbrella we
> started using the CCC website as a thin visual layer which redirected to
> the ApacheCon speaker profiles and such.
>
> *US Site*
> Code: https://github.com/cloudops/us.cloudstackcollab.org
> Site: http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/
>
> *Landing Page* (only lists the different upcoming conferences)
> Code: https://github.com/cloudops/cloudstackcollab.org
> Site: http://cloudstackcollab.org/
>
> Other examples:
>
> *Canada Site*
> Code: https://github.com/cloudops/ca.cloudstackcollab.org
> Site: http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/
>
> *Brazil Site*
> Code: https://github.com/cloudops/br.cloudstackcollab.org
> Site: http://br.cloudstackcollab.org/
>
> All to say, that usually the key branding element is to choose an image
> that we want to use to represent the location, and then in the past, I have
> added a blue filter over it to make it match the theme of the site.  For
> each of the sites, I have been tracking the PSD (photoshop) file which I
> used to establish the "themed" image for the header section.  For example,
> here is the one for the US:
> https://github.com/cloudops/us.cloudstackcollab.org/blob/master/static/img/vegas.psd
> (for other examples, you can check the PSD file tracked in those specific
> sites)
>
> Let me know what information you would like to see and I can put together
> a rough draft of the site using the elements I already have built which
> align with your envisioned content and we can align from there.  Does that
> make

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For Speakers

[Rohit Yadav]

Hi Ivet,

Great to see this happening, thanks for the initiative and your work.

I've seen Giles email on the PMC/private@ list and the Apache CloudStack PMC 
have now gather PMC volunteers for the CCC CFP selection committee. I suppose 
the next step is to continue to market the conference and find/ask/encourage 
potential speakers to submit their CFP entry.


Regards.


From: Ivet Petrova 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 16:30
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org 
Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org ; 
d...@cloudstack.apache.org 
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call 
For Speakers

Hi Giles,

Good reminder for he deadline. I will September 20th.

I agree that PMCs have the best experience to make a great selection of talks. 
Support the idea.
Please, organise it and let me know if you need anything else to be done.


Kind regards,







 

On 16 Jul 2021, at 13:57, Giles Sirett 
mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Hi Ivet - this is great - thank you for getting this going. As much as I'd 
prefer to actually *see* everybody, an online conference is a very good second 
best

Great to see the CFP open already. However, I notice that there's no deadline 
on the CFP - from experience we need a deadline to focus people  . I'd suggest 
a deadline in September

In terms of sifting and selecting the talks (which we can only do once the 
deadline is passed) , I'm happy to help. In previous years we've set up a small 
committee formed of PMC members (although there is no specific requirement to 
do so)  - I'm happy to work with the PMC to build a similar group for this year 
- would you like me to do that ?

Kind regards
Giles



Kind regards
Giles





From: Ivet Petrova 
mailto:ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>>
Sent: 16 July 2021 11:20
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; 
d...@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:d...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Apache 
CloudStack Marketing 
mailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For 
Speakers

Hello everyone,

I am happy to announce that our community will organise the CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference as a Virtual Event.
The event will happen from 9th of November to 12th of November 2021.
We will work to update the website and do an online registration, which will be 
announced in the next several weeks.

Meanwhile, I would like to announce a Call for Speakers. Bellow you can find a 
form, where you can submit your talk. The agenda is vital for our event 
success. At this event we target to collect a wider audience of people, who are 
users, but also companies, which consider what cloud orchestration to use 
currently.
https://forms.gle/YGaQkcpF4yzkSSQ99

Any volunteers to join the selection process of the talks?

Kind regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

gt;>>>>> Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb Will Stevens:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. When I mentioned
>>>>>> your and Simons teams, I was pointing out that you have a marketing team,
>>>>>> where Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is most important 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> that you and the other marketing people who are willing and able to 
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> this work use whatever system works best for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, <
>>>>>> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and
>>>>>>> thank you for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what 
>>>>>>> orgs
>>>>>>> our contributors work for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website,
>>>>>>> quickly and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I 
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> do appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years,
>>>>>>> but I think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an
>>>>>>> unnecessary conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual 
>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>> and doesn’t really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to 
>>>>>>> setup
>>>>>>> something for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> work, lets point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it 
>>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a more general point (probably more related to
>>>>>>> cloudstack.apche.org) : I do disagree with your view on things like
>>>>>>> wordpress. Theres a reason that start-ups, web agencies, marketing 
>>>>>>> teams,
>>>>>>> etc all default to CMSs like WordPress: it makes it easy to update 
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>> by people WITHOUT specialist tech skills – the same people that often 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> ideas on marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually
>>>>>>> de-facto in those circles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
>>>>>>> infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people
>>>>>>> in the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> of us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without
>>>>>>> constantly asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to 
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> with git
>>>>>>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add
>>>>>>> value IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to 
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> our developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to 
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> a txt editor  )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
>>>>>>> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain
>>>>>>> cloudstack.apache.org). That thread resulted in lots of people
>>>>>>> listing their favourite HTML generator tools/techniques and nobody able 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> agree. We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few
>>>>>>> days on this mailing list. A

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For Speakers

[Ivet Petrova]

Hi Giles,

Good reminder for he deadline. I will September 20th.

I agree that PMCs have the best experience to make a great selection of talks. 
Support the idea.
Please, organise it and let me know if you need anything else to be done.


Kind regards,


 

On 16 Jul 2021, at 13:57, Giles Sirett 
mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Hi Ivet - this is great - thank you for getting this going. As much as I'd 
prefer to actually *see* everybody, an online conference is a very good second 
best

Great to see the CFP open already. However, I notice that there's no deadline 
on the CFP - from experience we need a deadline to focus people  . I'd suggest 
a deadline in September

In terms of sifting and selecting the talks (which we can only do once the 
deadline is passed) , I'm happy to help. In previous years we've set up a small 
committee formed of PMC members (although there is no specific requirement to 
do so)  - I'm happy to work with the PMC to build a similar group for this year 
- would you like me to do that ?

Kind regards
Giles



Kind regards
Giles





From: Ivet Petrova 
mailto:ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>>
Sent: 16 July 2021 11:20
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; 
d...@cloudstack.apache.org; Apache 
CloudStack Marketing 
mailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For 
Speakers

Hello everyone,

I am happy to announce that our community will organise the CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference as a Virtual Event.
The event will happen from 9th of November to 12th of November 2021.
We will work to update the website and do an online registration, which will be 
announced in the next several weeks.

Meanwhile, I would like to announce a Call for Speakers. Bellow you can find a 
form, where you can submit your talk. The agenda is vital for our event 
success. At this event we target to collect a wider audience of people, who are 
users, but also companies, which consider what cloud orchestration to use 
currently.
https://forms.gle/YGaQkcpF4yzkSSQ99

Any volunteers to join the selection process of the talks?

Kind regards,

RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For Speakers

[Giles Sirett]

Hi Ivet - this is great - thank you for getting this going. As much as I'd 
prefer to actually *see* everybody, an online conference is a very good second 
best



Great to see the CFP open already. However, I notice that there's no deadline 
on the CFP - from experience we need a deadline to focus people  . I'd suggest 
a deadline in September



In terms of sifting and selecting the talks (which we can only do once the 
deadline is passed) , I'm happy to help. In previous years we've set up a small 
committee formed of PMC members (although there is no specific requirement to 
do so)  - I'm happy to work with the PMC to build a similar group for this year 
- would you like me to do that ?



Kind regards

Giles



Kind regards
Giles

From: Ivet Petrova 
Sent: 16 July 2021 11:20
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; d...@cloudstack.apache.org; Apache CloudStack 
Marketing 
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 2021 (9-12 November) - Call For 
Speakers

Hello everyone,

I am happy to announce that our community will organise the CloudStack 
Collaboration Conference as a Virtual Event.
The event will happen from 9th of November to 12th of November 2021.
We will work to update the website and do an online registration, which will be 
announced in the next several weeks.

Meanwhile, I would like to announce a Call for Speakers. Bellow you can find a 
form, where you can submit your talk. The agenda is vital for our event 
success. At this event we target to collect a wider audience of people, who are 
users, but also companies, which consider what cloud orchestration to use 
currently.
https://forms.gle/YGaQkcpF4yzkSSQ99

Any volunteers to join the selection process of the talks?

Kind regards,






 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Kshitish Purohit]

> > > > infrequently updated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my 2 cents.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 May 2021, 22:01 Sven Vogel, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In many points I agree with Will. At the moment 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we speak about the CCC website. Right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t see any reason why we should to the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CloudStack website www to an WordPress. I like 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the usage of git for the www site and I think 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is more open. I don’t see how a WordPress 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can work like this. Maybe anybody have an idea. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let us concentrate on CCC and not on the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www Website.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven Vogel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache CloudStack PMC member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Stevens:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giles, I think you and I were saying the same 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing. When I mentioned your and Simons 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teams, I was pointing out that you have a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marketing team, where Simons team is more 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focused on ops. I think it is most important 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that that you and the other marketing people 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are willing and able to support this work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use whatever system works best for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirett,  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Will – although I don’t mind our 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company being mentioned (and thank you 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the compliments), I don’t see this as 
> > >

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

gt; CCC, blog and WWW website are so infrequently updated
>>>>
>>>> my 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2021, 22:01 Sven Vogel,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> In many points I agree with Will. At the moment we speak about the CCC
>>>>> website. Right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t see any reason why we should to the CloudStack website www
>>>>> to an WordPress. I like the usage of git for the www site and I think this
>>>>> is more open. I don’t see how a WordPress can work like this. Maybe 
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> have an idea. Please let us concentrate on CCC and not on the www Website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sven Vogel
>>>>> Apache CloudStack PMC member
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb Will Stevens:
>>>>>
>>>>> Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. When I mentioned
>>>>> your and Simons teams, I was pointing out that you have a marketing team,
>>>>> where Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is most important 
>>>>> that
>>>>> that you and the other marketing people who are willing and able to 
>>>>> support
>>>>> this work use whatever system works best for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, <
>>>>> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and
>>>>>> thank you for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what orgs
>>>>>> our contributors work for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website,
>>>>>> quickly and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I really
>>>>>> do appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years,
>>>>>> but I think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an
>>>>>> unnecessary conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual 
>>>>>> conference
>>>>>> and doesn’t really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to 
>>>>>> setup
>>>>>> something for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the
>>>>>> work, lets point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it 
>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a more general point (probably more related to
>>>>>> cloudstack.apche.org) : I do disagree with your view on things like
>>>>>> wordpress. Theres a reason that start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams,
>>>>>> etc all default to CMSs like WordPress: it makes it easy to update 
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> by people WITHOUT specialist tech skills – the same people that often 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> ideas on marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually
>>>>>> de-facto in those circles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
>>>>>> infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people
>>>>>> in the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> of us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without
>>>>>> constantly asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to 
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> with git
>>>>>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add
>>>>>> value IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell
>>>>>> our developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> a txt editor  )
>&

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sven Vogel]

Hi Ivet,


Sounds good. November is fine for me too. 

Cheers,

Sven Vogel
Apache CloudStack PMC member



Am Freitag, den 06/11/2021 um 19:28 schrieb Gabriel Bräscher:


Hi Ivet,

This looks like a good plan.
I am +1 in having CloudStack Collab for November 2021.



Cheers,

Gabriel



Em qui., 10 de jun. de 2021 às 07:44, Ivet Petrova  escreveu:



  Hello all, 

Hope you are doing well and are in good health. 


As we discussed previously the CloudStack Collaboration
Conference/website/etc. I was thinking maybe it can be good to plan in
advance a date for the CCC. And also plan the website update, etc.


I did a fast check on other major IT events and I see nothing
interesting announced for November 2021. Just wanted to share my
thoughts and ask if somebody else has ideas or vision over this.


P.S.: I would avoid October and December, as in most countries there
are a lot of vacations and holidays. 



Kind regards, 







  



  

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Gabriel Bräscher]

Hi Ivet,

This looks like a good plan.
I am +1 in having CloudStack Collab for November 2021.

Cheers,
Gabriel

Em qui., 10 de jun. de 2021 às 07:44, Ivet Petrova <
ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com> escreveu:

> Hello all,
>
> Hope you are doing well and are in good health.
>
> As we discussed previously the CloudStack Collaboration
> Conference/website/etc. I was thinking maybe it can be good to plan in
> advance a date for the CCC. And also plan the website update, etc.
>
> I did a fast check on other major IT events and I see nothing interesting
> announced for November 2021. Just wanted to share my thoughts and ask if
> somebody else has ideas or vision over this.
>
> P.S.: I would avoid October and December, as in most countries there are a
> lot of vacations and holidays.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Kshitish Purohit]

we should to the CloudStack 
> > > > > > > > > > > > website www to an WordPress. I like the usage of git 
> > > > > > > > > > > > for the www site and I think this is more open. I don’t 
> > > > > > > > > > > > see how a WordPress can work like this. Maybe anybody 
> > > > > > > > > > > > have an idea. Please let us concentrate on CCC and not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > on the www Website.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sven Vogel
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apache CloudStack PMC member
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb Will 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stevens:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > When I mentioned your and Simons teams, I was 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pointing out that you have a marketing team, where 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > most important that that you and the other marketing 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people who are willing and able to support this work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use whatever system works best for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned (and thank you for the compliments), I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don’t see this as an issue as what orgs our 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors work for.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basic website, quickly and easily, preferably  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without any specialist skills. – I really do 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this over the years, but I think we should listen 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the people who are trying to organise this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my perspective :for the collab site, this is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost an unnecessary conversation: it’s a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “temporary” site for an annual conference  and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn’t really need long term maintenance  - if 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody wants to setup something for this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/next years conference and are prepared to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do the work, lets point the A records at whatever 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they’ve created and let it roll
> 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

iate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years,
>>>>> but I think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise this
>>>>> event.
>>>>>
>>>>> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an
>>>>> unnecessary conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual conference
>>>>> and doesn’t really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to 
>>>>> setup
>>>>> something for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the
>>>>> work, lets point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it roll
>>>>>
>>>>> On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org)
>>>>> : I do disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a reason
>>>>> that start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default to CMSs 
>>>>> like
>>>>> WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people WITHOUT specialist
>>>>> tech skills – the same people that often have ideas on
>>>>> marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually de-facto in
>>>>> those circles
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
>>>>> infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people in
>>>>> the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any 
>>>>> of
>>>>> us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly
>>>>> asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
>>>>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
>>>>> IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
>>>>> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
>>>>> txt editor  )
>>>>>
>>>>> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
>>>>> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain
>>>>> cloudstack.apache.org). That thread resulted in lots of people
>>>>> listing their favourite HTML generator tools/techniques and nobody able to
>>>>> agree. We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>>>>>
>>>>> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few
>>>>> days on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen
>>>>> to contribute but finding it really difficult
>>>>>
>>>>> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me:
>>>>> how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
>>>>> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a 
>>>>> criticism)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
>>>>> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Giles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Will Stevens 
>>>>> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
>>>>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>>>>
>>>>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>>>>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>>>>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo 
>>>>> are
>>>>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>>>>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>>>>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>>>>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>>>>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>>>>> automatically updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>>>>> involvement supporti

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sven Vogel]

tools/techniques and nobody
able to agree. We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design
pro bono.



 



It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few
days on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet
keen to contribute but finding it really difficult



 



Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to
me: how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website
over the years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant
as a criticism) 



 



The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO



 



 



 



 



Kind regards



Giles



 




  



  

 

From: Will Stevens  
Sent: 22 May 2021 12:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference




 

 

As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and
someone to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something
like Hugo are actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some
understanding of html is usually required. Static sites also cater to
distributed contribution more easily. If you use a service like
Netlify, for example, all contribution can be handled through GitHub
PRs and the changes can be live previewed within the pull request. 
Once merged, the site is automatically updated.

 

 


 

I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more
limited as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a
rebuild. 


 

 


 

I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I
feel obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that
minor content changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you
want to make any structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly
technical and extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress
implementation successful, in my experience, is to have consistent
technical maintenance by someone with moderate to high technical
ability.  You also have to actively maintain contributors within the
system.


 

 


 

Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority
of the community members are technical users of the platform, so there
is a skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I
think ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business
around CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a
bigger business.  ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of
maintaining something like this, and the contextual interest in
investing their paid resources time, but I don't think the majority of
the community has the luxury of dedicating this type of profile to
focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you don't mind me mentioning
ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have remained a constant in
the community and your CloudStack focused team has a much more diverse
set of skills than most strong contributors in the community. For
example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been strong
contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical and
operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
community based on my experience.


 

 


 

The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
wane within the community based on the different organization's
ability to fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires
dedicated maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will
have a much harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of
contributors. 


 

 


 

As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over
the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid
out here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of
salt if you see things differently. 


 

 




Cheers,

 

 


 

Will

  

On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya,  wrote:




   

Hi Will,

 

 


 

I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it
would be far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover,
WordPress also has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar
platforms, which will make the event setup much easier.


 

 


 

Want do you think Ivet?


 




   

Best,

 

 


 

Sunando


 

www.indiqus.com [2]


 

+91 97111 52299


 


Book my time for a call here [6] 







 





 

  

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:03 AM Will Stevens  wrote:




   

Hey Ivet,


 

It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static
website.


 

 


 

The different site repositories are here:
https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab


 

 


 

The `cloudstackcollab.org [7]` repo is a simple landing pag

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Andrija Panic]

upport for it over the longer period of time (I'm talking about
>> WordPress for eithet/or/both CCC and the main www site) - and both CCC,
>> blog and WWW website are so infrequently updated
>>
>> my 2 cents.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2021, 22:01 Sven Vogel,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> In many points I agree with Will. At the moment we speak about the CCC
>>> website. Right?
>>>
>>> I don’t see any reason why we should to the CloudStack website www to an
>>> WordPress. I like the usage of git for the www site and I think this is
>>> more open. I don’t see how a WordPress can work like this. Maybe anybody
>>> have an idea. Please let us concentrate on CCC and not on the www Website.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Sven Vogel
>>> Apache CloudStack PMC member
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb Will Stevens:
>>>
>>> Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. When I mentioned
>>> your and Simons teams, I was pointing out that you have a marketing team,
>>> where Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is most important that
>>> that you and the other marketing people who are willing and able to support
>>> this work use whatever system works best for you.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, <
>>> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and thank
>>>> you for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what orgs our
>>>> contributors work for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website, quickly
>>>> and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I really do
>>>> appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years, but I
>>>> think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise this event.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an unnecessary
>>>> conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual conference  and doesn’t
>>>> really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to setup something
>>>> for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the work, lets
>>>> point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it roll
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org)
>>>> : I do disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a reason
>>>> that start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default to CMSs like
>>>> WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people WITHOUT specialist
>>>> tech skills – the same people that often have ideas on
>>>> marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually de-facto in
>>>> those circles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
>>>> infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people in
>>>> the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any of
>>>> us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly
>>>> asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
>>>>
>>>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
>>>> IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
>>>> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
>>>> txt editor  )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
>>>> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain
>>>> cloudstack.apache.org). That thread resulted in lots of people listing
>>>> their favourite HTML generator tools/techniques and nobody able to agree.
>>>> We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days
&

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sven Vogel]

Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our
circles. 



 



 



Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people
in the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t
think any of us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org [4]
without constantly asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even
know where to start with git



We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to
tell our developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing
them to use a txt editor  )



 



I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain
cloudstack.apache.org [4]). That thread resulted in lots of people
listing their favourite HTML generator tools/techniques and nobody
able to agree. We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design
pro bono.



 



It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few
days on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet
keen to contribute but finding it really difficult



 



Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to
me: how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website
over the years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant
as a criticism) 



 



The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO



 



 



 



 



Kind regards



Giles



 




  



  

 

From: Will Stevens  
Sent: 22 May 2021 12:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference




 

 

As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and
someone to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something
like Hugo are actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some
understanding of html is usually required. Static sites also cater to
distributed contribution more easily. If you use a service like
Netlify, for example, all contribution can be handled through GitHub
PRs and the changes can be live previewed within the pull request. 
Once merged, the site is automatically updated.

 

 


 

I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more
limited as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a
rebuild. 


 

 


 

I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I
feel obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that
minor content changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you
want to make any structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly
technical and extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress
implementation successful, in my experience, is to have consistent
technical maintenance by someone with moderate to high technical
ability.  You also have to actively maintain contributors within the
system.


 

 


 

Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority
of the community members are technical users of the platform, so there
is a skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I
think ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business
around CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a
bigger business.  ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of
maintaining something like this, and the contextual interest in
investing their paid resources time, but I don't think the majority of
the community has the luxury of dedicating this type of profile to
focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you don't mind me mentioning
ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have remained a constant in
the community and your CloudStack focused team has a much more diverse
set of skills than most strong contributors in the community. For
example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been strong
contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical and
operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
community based on my experience.


 

 


 

The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
wane within the community based on the different organization's
ability to fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires
dedicated maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will
have a much harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of
contributors. 


 

 


 

As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over
the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid
out here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of
salt if you see thin

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

er of more marketing focussed people in
>>> the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any of
>>> us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly
>>> asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
>>>
>>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
>>> IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
>>> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
>>> txt editor  )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
>>> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain cloudstack.apache.org).
>>> That thread resulted in lots of people listing their favourite HTML
>>> generator tools/techniques and nobody able to agree. We even had a web
>>> agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days
>>> on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to
>>> contribute but finding it really difficult
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me:
>>> how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
>>> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
>>> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Will Stevens 
>>> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
>>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
>>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>>> automatically updated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>>> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
>>> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I
>>> feel obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor
>>> content changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make
>>> any structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
>>> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
>>> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
>>> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
>>> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
>>> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
>>> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
>>> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
>>> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
>>> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
>>> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
>>> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
>>> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
>>> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
>>> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
>>> much m

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

gt;>> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
>>> IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
>>> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
>>> txt editor  )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
>>> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain cloudstack.apache.org).
>>> That thread resulted in lots of people listing their favourite HTML
>>> generator tools/techniques and nobody able to agree. We even had a web
>>> agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days
>>> on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to
>>> contribute but finding it really difficult
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me:
>>> how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
>>> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
>>> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Will Stevens 
>>> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
>>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
>>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>>> automatically updated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>>> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
>>> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I
>>> feel obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor
>>> content changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make
>>> any structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
>>> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
>>> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
>>> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
>>> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
>>> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
>>> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
>>> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
>>> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
>>> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
>>> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
>>> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
>>> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
>>> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
>>> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
>>> much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the
>>> community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been
>>> strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical
>>> and operations focused, which I think is more common in the C

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Andrija Panic]

ncy ran a mile after a few days
>> on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to
>> contribute but finding it really difficult
>>
>>
>>
>> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me: how
>> many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
>> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)
>>
>>
>>
>> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
>> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Will Stevens 
>> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>
>>
>>
>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>> automatically updated.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
>> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
>> obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
>> changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
>> structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
>> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
>> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
>> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
>> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
>> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
>> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
>> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
>> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
>> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
>> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
>> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
>> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
>> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
>> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
>> much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the
>> community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been
>> strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical
>> and operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
>> community based on my experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
>> wane within the community based on the different organization's ability to
>> fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated
>> maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will have a much
>> harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors.
>>
>>
>>
>> As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over
>> the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
>> capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid out
>> here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if
>> you see things differently.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, <
>> suna...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's best to set

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sven Vogel]

Hi Guys,

In many points I agree with Will. At the moment we speak about the
CCC website. Right?


I don’t see any reason why we should to the CloudStack website www
to an WordPress. I like the usage of git for the www site and I
think this is more open. I don’t see how a WordPress can work like
this. Maybe anybody have an idea. Please let us concentrate on CCC and
not on the www Website. 


Thanks. 


Cheers,

Sven Vogel
Apache CloudStack PMC member



Am Samstag, den 05/22/2021 um 21:59 schrieb Will Stevens:


Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. When I mentioned
your and Simons teams, I was pointing out that you have a marketing
team, where Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is most
important that that you and the other marketing people who are willing
and able to support this work use whatever system works best for
you. 

Will


On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett,  wrote:



   

Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and
thank you for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what
orgs our contributors work for.



 



This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website,
quickly and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I
really do appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over
the years, but I think we should listen to the people who are trying
to organise this event.



 



From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an
unnecessary conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual
conference  and doesn’t really need long term maintenance  - if
somebody wants to setup something for this years/next years conference
and are prepared to do the work, lets point the A records at whatever
they’ve created and let it roll



 



On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org
[1]) : I do disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a
reason that start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default
to CMSs like WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people
WITHOUT specialist tech skills – the same people that often have
ideas on marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually
de-facto in those circles



 



Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and
infra people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our
circles. 



 



 



Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people
in the community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t
think any of us have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org [2]
without constantly asking for help. I’d guess  most don’t even
know where to start with git



We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value
IMO – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to
tell our developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing
them to use a txt editor  )



 



I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain
cloudstack.apache.org [2]). That thread resulted in lots of people
listing their favourite HTML generator tools/techniques and nobody
able to agree. We even had a web agency prepared to do us a re-design
pro bono.



 



It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few
days on this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet
keen to contribute but finding it really difficult



 



Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to
me: how many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website
over the years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant
as a criticism) 



 



The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO



 



 



 



 



Kind regards



Giles



 




  



  

 

From: Will Stevens  
Sent: 22 May 2021 12:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference




 

 

As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and
someone to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something
like Hugo are actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some
understanding of html is usually required. Static sites also cater to
distributed contribution more easily. If you use a service like
Netlify, for example, all contribution can be handled through GitHub
PRs and the changes can be live previewed within the pull request. 
Once merged, the site is automatically updated.

 

 


 

I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more
limited as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a
rebuild. 


 

 


 

I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I
feel obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that
m

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

Giles, I think you and I were saying the same thing. When I mentioned your
and Simons teams, I was pointing out that you have a marketing team, where
Simons team is more focused on ops. I think it is most important that that
you and the other marketing people who are willing and able to support this
work use whatever system works best for you.

Will

On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, 
wrote:

> Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and thank you
> for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what orgs our
> contributors work for.
>
>
>
> This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website, quickly
> and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I really do
> appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years, but I
> think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise this event.
>
>
>
> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an unnecessary
> conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual conference  and doesn’t
> really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to setup something
> for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the work, lets
> point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it roll
>
>
>
> On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org) :
> I do disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a reason that
> start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default to CMSs like
> WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people WITHOUT specialist
> tech skills – the same people that often have ideas on
> marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually de-facto in
> those circles
>
>
>
> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and infra
> people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>
>
>
>
>
> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people in the
> community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any of us
> have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly asking
> for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
>
> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value IMO
> – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
> txt editor  )
>
>
>
> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain cloudstack.apache.org).
> That thread resulted in lots of people listing their favourite HTML
> generator tools/techniques and nobody able to agree. We even had a web
> agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>
>
>
> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days on
> this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to
> contribute but finding it really difficult
>
>
>
> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me: how
> many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)
>
>
>
> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Will Stevens 
> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>
>
>
> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain
> over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to
> maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
> automatically updated.
>
>
>
> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>
>
>
> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
> obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
> changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
> structural c

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

Put it this way. I am willing to support the initiative by updating the
site(s) I have built as per the conference details provided to me.  I can't
organize the conference, but I can keep the site updated through the
conference if you would like.

If others want to setup a conference site for this conference, that is
fine.  I don't need to be involved, I am just trying to support.

What it comes to is, who has the time and what do they want to use?  That
is likely the best approach, because I agree with Giles, it is extremely
hard to design, build and maintain a web presence as a community.  It has
always been a struggle because the designer, builder and marketing
contributors are usually different people.

Let me know if you need my help, as I don't mind supporting with the
existing sites.

Cheers,

Will





On Sat., May 22, 2021, 10:32 a.m. Giles Sirett, 
wrote:

> Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and thank you
> for the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what orgs our
> contributors work for.
>
>
>
> This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website, quickly
> and easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I really do
> appreciate the work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years, but I
> think we should listen to the people who are trying to organise this event.
>
>
>
> From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an unnecessary
> conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual conference  and doesn’t
> really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to setup something
> for this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the work, lets
> point the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it roll
>
>
>
> On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org) :
> I do disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a reason that
> start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default to CMSs like
> WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people WITHOUT specialist
> tech skills – the same people that often have ideas on
> marketing/presentation/etc.   AFAIK, WordPress is virtually de-facto in
> those circles
>
>
>
> Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and infra
> people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.
>
>
>
>
>
> Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people in the
> community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any of us
> have been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly asking
> for help. I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
>
> We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value IMO
> – but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our
> developer community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a
> txt editor  )
>
>
>
> I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting
> frustrated  as to how difficult it was to maintain cloudstack.apache.org).
> That thread resulted in lots of people listing their favourite HTML
> generator tools/techniques and nobody able to agree. We even had a web
> agency prepared to do us a re-design pro bono.
>
>
>
> It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days on
> this mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to
> contribute but finding it really difficult
>
>
>
> Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me: how
> many of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the
> years? None AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)
>
>
>
> The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is
> updated infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Will Stevens 
> *Sent:* 22 May 2021 12:57
> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>
>
>
> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain
> over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to
> maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
> automatically updated.
>
>
>
> I am willin

RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Giles Sirett]

Hi Will – although I don’t mind our company being mentioned (and thank you for 
the compliments), I don’t see this as an issue as what orgs our contributors 
work for.

This, for me, is an issue of needing to create a basic website, quickly and 
easily, preferably  without any specialist skills. – I really do appreciate the 
work you’ve put in on maintaining this over the years, but I think we should 
listen to the people who are trying to organise this event.

From my perspective :for the collab site, this is almost an unnecessary 
conversation: it’s a “temporary” site for an annual conference  and doesn’t 
really need long term maintenance  - if somebody wants to setup something for 
this years/next years conference and are prepared to do the work, lets point 
the A records at whatever they’ve created and let it roll

On a more general point (probably more related to cloudstack.apche.org) : I do 
disagree with your view on things like wordpress. Theres a reason that 
start-ups, web agencies, marketing teams, etc all default to CMSs like 
WordPress: it makes it easy to update content by people WITHOUT specialist tech 
skills – the same people that often have ideas on marketing/presentation/etc.   
AFAIK, WordPress is virtually de-facto in those circles

Yes, we’re a tech community, but we’re mainly java programmers and infra 
people. AFAIK there isn’t a defacto HTML generator in our circles.


Over the years we’ve had a number of more marketing focussed people in the 
community: Karen, Ivet, myself, Sunando, Julia and I don’t think any of us have 
been able to update cloudstack.apache.org without constantly asking for help. 
I’d guess  most don’t even know where to start with git
We should be making our web presence easy for such people to add value IMO – 
but we don’t. This, to me, is like those folks trying to tell our developer 
community what IDE they have to use (and forcing them to use a txt editor  )

I did start a thread on this about 4 years ago (as I was getting frustrated  as 
to how difficult it was to maintain cloudstack.apache.org). That thread 
resulted in lots of people listing their favourite HTML generator 
tools/techniques and nobody able to agree. We even had a web agency prepared to 
do us a re-design pro bono.

It ran out of steam and the pro-bono agency ran a mile after a few days on this 
mailing list. At the same time, there’s folks like Ivet keen to contribute but 
finding it really difficult

Your example comparing two different teams just doesn’t add up to me: how many 
of Simons team have managed to help maintain our website over the years? None 
AFAIK (sorry, Simon et al, not in any way meant as a criticism)

The net result is that the site languishes: often  out of date &  is updated 
infrequently. It is also desperate for a design overhaul IMO




Kind regards
Giles

From: Will Stevens 
Sent: 22 May 2021 12:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain over 
time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to maintain it. I 
find that static sites built with something like Hugo are actually easier to 
maintain, but you are right that some understanding of html is usually 
required. Static sites also cater to distributed contribution more easily. If 
you use a service like Netlify, for example, all contribution can be handled 
through GitHub PRs and the changes can be live previewed within the pull 
request.  Once merged, the site is automatically updated.

I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal 
involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited as 
I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.

I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel 
obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content 
changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any 
structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and extremely 
difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation successful, in my 
experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance by someone with 
moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to actively maintain 
contributors within the system.

Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of the 
community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a skewed 
technical bias within the community participation.  I think ShapeBlue is the 
obvious exception, because they run a business around CoudStack, rather than 
CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.  ShapeBlue may have staff 
with skills capable of maintaining something like this, and the contextual 
interest in investing their paid resources time, but I don't think the majority 
of the community has the luxury of dedicating this type of profile to focus on 
CloudStack. G

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

If that is the direction the group wants to go, I am supportive.  I have
just lived WordPress plugin hell for longer than I care to admit. I agree
that the hosted options have matured and are a solid option.

If WordPress is the direction you take, I would strongly recommend trying
to avoid extensive customization of themes and plugins as that is where you
paint yourself into a corner, in terms of maintainence, with a rotating
group of collaborators.

Cheers,

Will

On Sat., May 22, 2021, 8:37 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, 
wrote:

> Hi Will,
>
> I think the world of WordPress hosting has really evolved over the last
> few years and you can get a fully managed & hosted WordPress site for 20-40
> dollars a month!
>
> From a design perspective, you have tonnes of readymade themes and page
> builders that simplify the design effort to a large extent. Moreover, you
> also get ready-made plugins for practically any and every third party
> tool/app.
>
> Hence I would strongly suggest that we move the CCC event site as well as
> the main cloudstack website to WordPress.
>
> Best,
>
> Sunando
> www.indiqus.com
> +91 97111 52299
>
> *Book my time for a call here  *
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:27 PM Will Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>> automatically updated.
>>
>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
>> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>>
>> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
>> obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
>> changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
>> structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
>> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
>> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
>> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
>> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>>
>> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
>> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
>> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
>> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
>> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
>> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
>> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
>> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
>> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
>> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
>> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
>> much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the
>> community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been
>> strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical
>> and operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
>> community based on my experience.
>>
>> The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
>> wane within the community based on the different organization's ability to
>> fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated
>> maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will have a much
>> harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors.
>>
>> As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over
>> the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
>> capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid out
>> here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if
>> you see things differently.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, <
>> suna...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Will,
>>>
>>> I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would
>>> be far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also
>>> has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which
>>> will make the event setup much easier.
>>>
>>> Want do you think 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

Here is the Managed website service we have been using for both our
websites (indiqus.com and apiculus.io) since Oct 2019. Fairly cheap, fast
and secure.

https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/managed-wp-hosting/

Best,

Sunando
www.indiqus.com
+91 97111 52299

*Book my time for a call here

*


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:07 PM Sunando Bhattacharya 
wrote:

> Hi Will,
>
> I think the world of WordPress hosting has really evolved over the last
> few years and you can get a fully managed & hosted WordPress site for 20-40
> dollars a month!
>
> From a design perspective, you have tonnes of readymade themes and page
> builders that simplify the design effort to a large extent. Moreover, you
> also get ready-made plugins for practically any and every third party
> tool/app.
>
> Hence I would strongly suggest that we move the CCC event site as well as
> the main cloudstack website to WordPress.
>
> Best,
>
> Sunando
> www.indiqus.com
> +91 97111 52299
>
> *Book my time for a call here  *
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:27 PM Will Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to
>> maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone
>> to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
>> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
>> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
>> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
>> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
>> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
>> automatically updated.
>>
>> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
>> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
>> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>>
>> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
>> obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
>> changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
>> structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
>> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
>> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
>> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
>> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>>
>> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
>> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
>> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
>> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
>> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
>> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
>> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
>> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
>> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
>> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
>> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
>> much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the
>> community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been
>> strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical
>> and operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
>> community based on my experience.
>>
>> The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
>> wane within the community based on the different organization's ability to
>> fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated
>> maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will have a much
>> harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors.
>>
>> As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over
>> the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
>> capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid out
>> here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if
>> you see things differently.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, <
>> suna...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Will,
>>>
>>> I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would
>>> be far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also
>>> has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which
>>> will make the event 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

Hi Will,

I think the world of WordPress hosting has really evolved over the last few
years and you can get a fully managed & hosted WordPress site for 20-40
dollars a month!

>From a design perspective, you have tonnes of readymade themes and page
builders that simplify the design effort to a large extent. Moreover, you
also get ready-made plugins for practically any and every third party
tool/app.

Hence I would strongly suggest that we move the CCC event site as well as
the main cloudstack website to WordPress.

Best,

Sunando
www.indiqus.com
+91 97111 52299

*Book my time for a call here  *


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:27 PM Will Stevens 
wrote:

> As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain
> over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to
> maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
> actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
> html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
> contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
> all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
> live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
> automatically updated.
>
> I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
> involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
> as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.
>
> I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
> obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
> changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
> structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
> extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
> successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
> by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
> actively maintain contributors within the system.
>
> Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of
> the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a
> skewed technical bias within the community participation.  I think
> ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around
> CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.
> ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like
> this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time,
> but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of
> dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you
> don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have
> remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a
> much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the
> community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been
> strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical
> and operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
> community based on my experience.
>
> The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and
> wane within the community based on the different organization's ability to
> fund contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated
> maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will have a much
> harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors.
>
> As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over the
> years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
> capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid out
> here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if
> you see things differently.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Will
>
> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, <
> suna...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would
>> be far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also
>> has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which
>> will make the event setup much easier.
>>
>> Want do you think Ivet?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Sunando
>> www.indiqus.com
>> +91 97111 52299
>>
>> *Book my time for a call here
>> 
>>  *
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:03 AM Will Stevens 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ivet,
>>> It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static
>>> website.
>>>
>>> The different site repositories are here:
>>> https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab
>>>
>>> The `cloudstackcollab.org` 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain
over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to
maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are
actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of
html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed
contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example,
all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be
live previewed within the pull request.  Once merged, the site is
automatically updated.

I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal
involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited
as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild.

I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel
obligated to provide my honest opinion.  You are right that minor content
changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any
structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and
extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation
successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance
by someone with moderate to high technical ability.  You also have to
actively maintain contributors within the system.

Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of the
community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a skewed
technical bias within the community participation.  I think ShapeBlue is
the obvious exception, because they run a business around CoudStack, rather
than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business.  ShapeBlue may
have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like this, and the
contextual interest in investing their paid resources time, but I don't
think the majority of the community has the luxury of dedicating this type
of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you don't mind me
mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have remained a
constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a much more
diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the community. For
example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been strong
contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical and
operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack
community based on my experience.

The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and wane
within the community based on the different organization's ability to fund
contribution.  Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated maintenance
over time, my concern is that the community will have a much harder time
maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors.

As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over the
years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and
capabilities of the current community.  I don't know if what I laid out
here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if
you see things differently.

Cheers,

Will

On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, 
wrote:

> Hi Will,
>
> I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would be
> far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also
> has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which
> will make the event setup much easier.
>
> Want do you think Ivet?
>
> Best,
>
> Sunando
> www.indiqus.com
> +91 97111 52299
>
> *Book my time for a call here
> 
>  *
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:03 AM Will Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ivet,
>> It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static
>> website.
>>
>> The different site repositories are here:
>> https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab
>>
>> The `cloudstackcollab.org` repo is a simple landing page site which
>> basically references all of the upcoming CCC events (the subdomain sites).
>> Then each event gets their own site.  The `us.cloudstackcollab.org` repo
>> has seen the most activity over the years and is likely a good starting
>> point.
>>
>> Currently, I am personally hosting the sites, but we could change that.
>> I could potentially host it via a `gh-pages` branch in the same repo if
>> that is preferred.  We could also move these sites to the apache org if
>> that is desired, but I suspect there will be some red tape in making that
>> happen.  I am happy to deploy the updates to the current hosting if that is
>> desirable for the short term anyway.
>>
>> The easiest way to get started would be to clone one or two of the repos
>> and get them working locally on your system by setting up Hugo. 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

Hi Will,

I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would be
far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also
has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which
will make the event setup much easier.

Want do you think Ivet?

Best,

Sunando
www.indiqus.com
+91 97111 52299

*Book my time for a call here

*


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:03 AM Will Stevens 
wrote:

> Hey Ivet,
> It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static
> website.
>
> The different site repositories are here:
> https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab
>
> The `cloudstackcollab.org` repo is a simple landing page site which
> basically references all of the upcoming CCC events (the subdomain sites).
> Then each event gets their own site.  The `us.cloudstackcollab.org` repo
> has seen the most activity over the years and is likely a good starting
> point.
>
> Currently, I am personally hosting the sites, but we could change that.  I
> could potentially host it via a `gh-pages` branch in the same repo if that
> is preferred.  We could also move these sites to the apache org if that is
> desired, but I suspect there will be some red tape in making that happen.
> I am happy to deploy the updates to the current hosting if that is
> desirable for the short term anyway.
>
> The easiest way to get started would be to clone one or two of the repos
> and get them working locally on your system by setting up Hugo.  From
> there, we can potentially handle the content / site changes through PRs
> which I can then merge and deploy.  That is probably the shortest path, but
> I happy to accomodate if we would like to approach this differently.
>
> Let me know if/when you have questions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Will
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:13 AM Ivet Petrova 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> I am volunteering to make updates there if you agree.
>> Looks like not WorPress. Is it plain HTML?
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 May 2021, at 17:07, Will Stevens  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I have not been as active in the community as I once was.  I am
>> happy to support the CloudStack Collab website as I have in the past, but I
>> am also willing to get someone else setup to take over if someone is
>> interested.
>>
>> I will try to stay on top of the CCC communications so I am not a
>> bottleneck for progress.  :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:43 AM Giles Sirett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont
>>> try to offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would
>>> need to think about
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Permission to use the trademark.
>>>Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an
>>>event at any time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC
>>>for permission to use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf
>>>if you like – let me know
>>>2. CFP
>>>The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of
>>>volunteers to act as a “talk selection committee”
>>>Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting
>>>proposals. Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously 
>>> that
>>>wont be available for an event such as this
>>>
>>>3. We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences :
>>>http://cloudstackcollab.org/
>>>That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re
>>>not so active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could
>>>take it over ? )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy to help / support this where I can
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ivet Petrova 
>>> *Sent:* 21 May 2021 11:22
>>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still
>>> have registered, now is the time to do is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its
>>> virtual anybody can join!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am writing to share also something more:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack
>>> Collaboration Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the
>>> autumn but I think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is
>>> long closed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get
>>> something virtual 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

Hey Ivet,
It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static
website.

The different site repositories are here:
https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab

The `cloudstackcollab.org` repo is a simple landing page site which
basically references all of the upcoming CCC events (the subdomain sites).
Then each event gets their own site.  The `us.cloudstackcollab.org` repo
has seen the most activity over the years and is likely a good starting
point.

Currently, I am personally hosting the sites, but we could change that.  I
could potentially host it via a `gh-pages` branch in the same repo if that
is preferred.  We could also move these sites to the apache org if that is
desired, but I suspect there will be some red tape in making that happen.
I am happy to deploy the updates to the current hosting if that is
desirable for the short term anyway.

The easiest way to get started would be to clone one or two of the repos
and get them working locally on your system by setting up Hugo.  From
there, we can potentially handle the content / site changes through PRs
which I can then merge and deploy.  That is probably the shortest path, but
I happy to accomodate if we would like to approach this differently.

Let me know if/when you have questions.

Cheers,

Will

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:13 AM Ivet Petrova 
wrote:

> Hi Will,
>
> I am volunteering to make updates there if you agree.
> Looks like not WorPress. Is it plain HTML?
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2021, at 17:07, Will Stevens  wrote:
>
> Yes, I have not been as active in the community as I once was.  I am happy
> to support the CloudStack Collab website as I have in the past, but I am
> also willing to get someone else setup to take over if someone is
> interested.
>
> I will try to stay on top of the CCC communications so I am not a
> bottleneck for progress.  :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Will
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:43 AM Giles Sirett 
> wrote:
>
>> Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont
>> try to offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would
>> need to think about
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Permission to use the trademark.
>>Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an
>>event at any time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC
>>for permission to use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf
>>if you like – let me know
>>2. CFP
>>The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of
>>volunteers to act as a “talk selection committee”
>>Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting
>>proposals. Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that
>>wont be available for an event such as this
>>
>>3. We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences :
>>http://cloudstackcollab.org/
>>That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re
>>not so active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could
>>take it over ? )
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy to help / support this where I can
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ivet Petrova 
>> *Sent:* 21 May 2021 11:22
>> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>> *Subject:* CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still
>> have registered, now is the time to do is:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q
>>
>>
>>
>> (this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its
>> virtual anybody can join!)
>>
>>
>>
>> I am writing to share also something more:
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack
>> Collaboration Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the
>> autumn but I think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is
>> long closed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get
>> something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from
>> people wanting to speak.
>>
>> So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn.
>> I am happy to coordinate this in the community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring
>> more awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new
>> possible contributors and new potential users.
>>
>> In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with
>> sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories
>> and the business side.
>>
>> We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> What do people think?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Ivet Petrova]

Hi Will,

I am volunteering to make updates there if you agree.
Looks like not WorPress. Is it plain HTML?
Kind regards,


 

On 21 May 2021, at 17:07, Will Stevens 
mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, I have not been as active in the community as I once was.  I am happy to 
support the CloudStack Collab website as I have in the past, but I am also 
willing to get someone else setup to take over if someone is interested.

I will try to stay on top of the CCC communications so I am not a bottleneck 
for progress.  :)

Cheers,

Will

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:43 AM Giles Sirett 
mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen

Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont try to 
offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would need to think 
about


  1.  Permission to use the trademark.
Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an event at any 
time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC for permission to 
use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf if you like – let me 
know
  2.  CFP
The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of volunteers to 
act as a “talk selection committee”
Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting proposals. 
Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that wont be 
available for an event such as this

  3.  We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences : 
http://cloudstackcollab.org/
That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re not so 
active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could take it over ? 
)

Happy to help / support this where I can


Kind regards
Giles





From: Ivet Petrova 
mailto:ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>>
Sent: 21 May 2021 11:22
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

Hi all,

We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still have 
registered, now is the time to do is:

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q

(this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its virtual 
anybody can join!)

I am writing to share also something more:


I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack Collaboration 
Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the autumn but I 
think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is long closed.


Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get 
something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from people 
wanting to speak.
So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn. I am 
happy to coordinate this in the community.


Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring more 
awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new possible 
contributors and new potential users.
In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with 
sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories and 
the business side.
We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.

What do people think?


Kind regards,

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Will Stevens]

Yes, I have not been as active in the community as I once was.  I am happy
to support the CloudStack Collab website as I have in the past, but I am
also willing to get someone else setup to take over if someone is
interested.

I will try to stay on top of the CCC communications so I am not a
bottleneck for progress.  :)

Cheers,

Will

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:43 AM Giles Sirett 
wrote:

> Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen
>
>
>
> Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont try
> to offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would need
> to think about
>
>
>
>1. Permission to use the trademark.
>Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an
>event at any time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC
>for permission to use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf
>if you like – let me know
>2. CFP
>The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of
>volunteers to act as a “talk selection committee”
>Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting
>proposals. Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that
>wont be available for an event such as this
>
>3. We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences :
>http://cloudstackcollab.org/
>That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re
>not so active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could
>take it over ? )
>
>
>
> Happy to help / support this where I can
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ivet Petrova 
> *Sent:* 21 May 2021 11:22
> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> *Subject:* CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still
> have registered, now is the time to do is:
>
>
>
> https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q
>
>
>
> (this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its
> virtual anybody can join!)
>
>
>
> I am writing to share also something more:
>
>
>
> I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack
> Collaboration Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the
> autumn but I think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is
> long closed.
>
>
>
> Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get
> something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from
> people wanting to speak.
>
> So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn.
> I am happy to coordinate this in the community.
>
>
>
> Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring more
> awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new possible
> contributors and new potential users.
>
> In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with
> sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories
> and the business side.
>
> We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.
>
>
>
> What do people think?
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Sunando Bhattacharya]

Hi Ivet,

I also think that this is a wonderful idea. CCC is quite critical to keep
the community going, sharing ideas and success stories.

We would be happy to support the event in any way we can... talks,
marketing, organization etc.

Best,

Sunando
www.indiqus.com
+91 97111 52299

*Book my time for a call here

*


On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ivet Petrova 
wrote:

> Hi Giles,
>
> Appreciate your answer.
> I will be happy to get support from you in the communication with ASF.
> Also I am sure the PMC members will have opinion and ideas on such event
> and how to make it a success.
>
> At my side - I am best in marketing, so I will be happy to contribute with
> event promotion and organisation in the best way I can.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2021, at 14:42, Giles Sirett  wrote:
>
> Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen
>
> Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont try
> to offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would need
> to think about
>
>
>1. Permission to use the trademark.
>Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an
>event at any time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC
>for permission to use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf
>if you like – let me know
>2. CFP
>The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of
>volunteers to act as a “talk selection committee”
>Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting
>proposals. Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that
>wont be available for an event such as this
>
>3. We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences :
>http://cloudstackcollab.org/
>That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re
>not so active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could
>take it over ? )
>
>
> Happy to help / support this where I can
>
>
> Kind regards
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ivet Petrova 
> *Sent:* 21 May 2021 11:22
> *To:* marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> *Subject:* CloudStack Collaboration Conference
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still
> have registered, now is the time to do is:
>
> https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q
>
> (this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its
> virtual anybody can join!)
>
> I am writing to share also something more:
>
>
> I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack
> Collaboration Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the
> autumn but I think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is
> long closed.
>
>
> Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get
> something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from
> people wanting to speak.
> So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn.
> I am happy to coordinate this in the community.
>
>
> Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring more
> awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new possible
> contributors and new potential users.
> In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with
> sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories
> and the business side.
> We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.
>
> What do people think?
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Ivet Petrova]

Hi Giles,

Appreciate your answer.
I will be happy to get support from you in the communication with ASF.
Also I am sure the PMC members will have opinion and ideas on such event and 
how to make it a success.

At my side - I am best in marketing, so I will be happy to contribute with 
event promotion and organisation in the best way I can.

Kind regards,


 

On 21 May 2021, at 14:42, Giles Sirett 
mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen

Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont try to 
offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would need to think 
about


  1.  Permission to use the trademark.
Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an event at any 
time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC for permission to 
use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf if you like – let me 
know
  2.  CFP
The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of volunteers to 
act as a “talk selection committee”
Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting proposals. 
Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that wont be 
available for an event such as this

  3.  We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences : 
http://cloudstackcollab.org/
That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re not so 
active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could take it over ? 
)


Happy to help / support this where I can


Kind regards
Giles





From: Ivet Petrova 
mailto:ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com>>
Sent: 21 May 2021 11:22
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

Hi all,

We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still have 
registered, now is the time to do is:

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q

(this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its virtual 
anybody can join!)

I am writing to share also something more:


I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack Collaboration 
Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the autumn but I 
think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is long closed.


Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get 
something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from people 
wanting to speak.
So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn. I am 
happy to coordinate this in the community.


Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring more 
awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new possible 
contributors and new potential users.
In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with 
sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories and 
the business side.
We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.

What do people think?


Kind regards,

RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

[Giles Sirett]

Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea.  I’d love to see it happen

Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont try to 
offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would need to think 
about


  1.  Permission to use the trademark.
Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an event at any 
time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC for permission to 
use the ACS trademark.  I’ll happily ask on your behalf if you like – let me 
know
  2.  CFP
The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of volunteers to 
act as a “talk selection committee”
Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting proposals. 
Previously, we’ve used  the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously that wont be 
available for an event such as this

  3.  We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences : 
http://cloudstackcollab.org/
That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although they’re not so 
active in the community these days, so maybe somebody else could take it over ? 
)

Happy to help / support this where I can


Kind regards
Giles

From: Ivet Petrova 
Sent: 21 May 2021 11:22
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference

Hi all,

We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still have 
registered, now is the time to do is:

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q

(this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its virtual 
anybody can join!)

I am writing to share also something more:


I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a  virtual CloudStack Collaboration 
Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the autumn but I 
think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is long closed.


Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get 
something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from people 
wanting to speak.
So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the Autumn. I am 
happy to coordinate this in the community.


Тhe target of such event would  be to share ideas, collaborate, bring more 
awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new possible 
contributors and new potential users.
In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day with 
sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user stories and 
the business side.
We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that.

What do people think?


Kind regards,






 

RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Miami

[Marty Godsey]

I just registered. I am looking forward to it. No sponsorship this year, but 
maybe next. :)

Regards,
Marty Godsey
Principal Engineer
nSource Solutions, LLC

-Original Message-
From: Will Stevens [mailto:sw...@apache.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:23 PM
To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org; 
us...@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Miami

Hello,
Today the schedule [1] was posted for CCC in Miami.  We have a great line up of 
talks, as well as training and a hackathon scheduled.  We are expecting a large 
turnout to this event, so it will be a great opportunity to network and 
interact with the community.

Register [2] before Sunday (March 12th) and save $200.

If you would like to sponsor this event, there are still sponsorship 
opportunities [3].  We will be doing special promotion of our CCC sponsors 
before and throughout the conference.  The earlier you sponsor the more 
visibility you will get.

Speaking of which, I would like to give a big shoutout to ShapeBlue [4] who is 
sponsoring the event.

Looking forward to seeing you all there.

[1] Schedule | http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/#schedule
[2] Register | http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/#attend
[3] Sponsor  | http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/#sponsors
[4] http://www.shapeblue.com/

*Will Stevens*

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Brasil web site

[Sally Khudairi]

Thank you, Rafael! 
I'll add this to the Apache Weekly News Round-up notices list. It'll stay on 
the listing until the event takes place.
Warmly,
Sally = = = = =  vox +1 617 921 8656gvox +1 646 598 4616skype sallykhudairi

  From: Rafael Peregrino da Silva 
 To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org"  
Cc: Rafael Peregrino ; Marco Sinhoreli 
; Cyrano Rizzo 
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:53 PM
 Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Brasil web site
   
Hello everybody,

I just published the CloudStack Collaboration Conference Brasil web site on 
http://cloudstack.usp.br/

Please check whether everything is working properly, so that I can make some 
press releases and start spreading the word about it.

Best!

--
Rafael Peregrino da Silva  | rperegr...@vectory.com.br
Diretor de Tecnologia/CTO  | Tel.: +55 11 3104-6652
Grupo Vectory Ltda.        | Fax : +55 11 3672-1799
http://www.vectory.com.br/ | Cel.: +55 11 98259-9989


2016-04-13 9:38 GMT-03:00 Marco Sinhoreli :

Hi Pierre-Luc,
I am putting Rafael who is doing the website in the thread to check if is 
possible to merge both sites there.
Cheers!

|  | Marco SinhoreliConsultant Managermarco.sinhoreli@shapeblue.commobile: +55 
21 98276 3636  |

Praia de Botafogo 501, bloco 1 - sala 101 – BotafogoRio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil 
- CEP 22250-040office: + 55 21 2586 6390 | fax: +55 21 2586 
6002http://www.shapeblue.com/ | twitter: @shapeblue
De: Pierre-Luc Dion
Responder para: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org"
Data: quarta-feira, 13 de abril de 2016 09:32
Para: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org"
Assunto: Re: event press release templates

Hi Marco, that's pretty nice. 
Do you think we can have that site merge into  the cloudstackcollab.org?  not 
sure how but there must be a way to have both event coexist on the same 
site.here is the current source: 
https://github.com/cloudops/cloudstackcollab.org
Cheers,


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Marco Sinhoreli 
 wrote:

Guys,
We are finishing the website and the CFP form. A previews is available here 
http://cloudstack.usp.br/. It is only in Portuguese now but will be translated 
to English. 
Please, fell free to suggest any kind of change if you consider. 
Best regards,


|  | Marco SinhoreliConsultant Managermarco.sinhoreli@shapeblue.commobile:+55 
21 98276 3636  |

Praia de Botafogo 501, bloco 1 - sala 101 – BotafogoRio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil 
- CEP 22250-040office:+ 55 21 2586 6390 | fax:+55 21 2586 
6002http://www.shapeblue.com/ | twitter: @shapeblue
De: Rafael Weingärtner
Responder para: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org"
Data: terça-feira, 12 de abril de 2016 21:16
Para: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org"
Assunto: Re: event press release templates

Thanks.Sorry, for disturbing your thread ;)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Pierre-Luc Dion  wrote:

So far it's quiet for CCCBR, 
I've poke organizaer about  cloudstackcollab.org website  but I got a pretty 
quiet poke-back so far. As far as I know it will append, it's scheduled for 
September and I think the location is defined already.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Rafael Weingärtner 
 wrote:

Speaking of conferences, has someone heard something about the CCCBR?
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Pierre-Luc Dion  wrote:

Hi, 
Do we have press release template for events has we have for all the release of 
CloudStack we do? We'd like to do some promotion of or next coming 
collaboration conferences
Thanks,



-- 
Rafael Weingärtner





-- 
Rafael Weingärtner





-- 
Rafael Peregrino da Silva
rperegr...@gmail.com

  

Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[Mark Hinkle]

Réda,

You are correct, the Budapest event is cancelled. The Dublin event is on and we 
are looking to turn that into a two day event.

Regards, Mark


On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Réda Belouizdad 
rbelouiz...@ikoula.commailto:rbelouiz...@ikoula.com wrote:

Hi,

Just to understand, this 
eventhttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe  is cancelled 
and now, it is replaced by this one :  
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin.

From Ikoula part, we are ok to sponsor the event.

Best regards

Réda BELOUIZDAD  |  Directeur Marketing
Ikoula - 175/177 rue d’Aguesseau - 92100 Boulogne Billancourt - France
Tel : +33 1 78 76 35 47  |  Fax : +33 1 78 76 35 51  |  
www.ikoula.comhttp://www.ikoula.com/

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plateformes collaboratives, Ikoula assure en 24/7 sur site, la haute 
disponibilité de vos applications et garantit votre tranquillité.
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blanche, spécialement conçue pour les revendeurs et intégrateurs informatiques.





Avant d'imprimer ce courrier, réfléchissons à l'impact sur l'environnement !




De : Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com]
Envoyé : mardi 31 mars 2015 20:39
À : marketing@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Objet : Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

Kim - nice to see your interest here :-)

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin

Kind Regards
Giles

D: +44 20 3603 0541tel:+44%2020%203603%200541 | M: +44 796 111 
2055tel:+44%20796%20111%202055
giles.sir...@shapeblue.commailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com

On 31 Mar 2015, at 19:37, White, Kim 
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com wrote:
What are the dates for the Dublin event?

--kim

Kim White
NetApp
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kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com




From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

just a random thought...

Why dont you add registration fee or individual donations?

a kickstarter kind of campaign where in
$10 gets you Thankyou
$100 stickers + T shirt + recorded sessions
$500 1 entry + the above
$5000 2 entries + booth space etc.
probably, we could even use kickstarter.

~Rajani

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sebastien Goasguen 
run...@gmail.commailto:run...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,

After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen Vuong, 
Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the Linux 
foundation who is organizing the event.

We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and make 
Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try to 
organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.

We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 
Europe.

To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k

Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored the 
event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).

So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in and 
help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.

Cheers,

-Sebastien

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services

IaaS Cloud Design  Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build/
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/
CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/
CloudStack Software 
Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/
CloudStack Infrastructure 
Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/

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RE: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[Réda Belouizdad]

Hi,

Just to understand, this event 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe  is cancelled and 
now, it is replaced by this one :  
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin.

From Ikoula part, we are ok to sponsor the event.

Best regards

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De : Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com]
Envoyé : mardi 31 mars 2015 20:39
À : marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Objet : Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

Kim - nice to see your interest here :-)

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin

Kind Regards
Giles

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On 31 Mar 2015, at 19:37, White, Kim 
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com wrote:
What are the dates for the Dublin event?

--kim

Kim White
NetApp
408.822.3125 Direct
925.998.4252 Mobile
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com




From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

just a random thought...

Why dont you add registration fee or individual donations?

a kickstarter kind of campaign where in
$10 gets you Thankyou
$100 stickers + T shirt + recorded sessions
$500 1 entry + the above
$5000 2 entries + booth space etc.
probably, we could even use kickstarter.

~Rajani

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sebastien Goasguen 
run...@gmail.commailto:run...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,

After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen Vuong, 
Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the Linux 
foundation who is organizing the event.

We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and make 
Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try to 
organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.

We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 
Europe.

To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k

Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored the 
event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).

So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in and 
help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.

Cheers,

-Sebastien

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services

IaaS Cloud Design  Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build/
CSForge - rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/
CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/
CloudStack Software 
Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/
CloudStack Infrastructure 
Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/

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Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[Sebastien Goasguen]

 On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Antoine Coetsier antoine.coets...@exoscale.ch 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Sebatien, list,
 
 you can count on us too to provide a small bit, like on all previous events.
 
 What will be the date of the event ?

October 7th and 8th ,

The website is already up waiting for your logo :)

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin

Thanks for your continuous support of cloudstack.

 
 Best,
 
 Antoine Coetsier
 Exoscale - CEO
 
 Le 31.03.15 17:57, Sebastien Goasguen a écrit :
 Hi folks,
 
 After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen Vuong, 
 Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the Linux 
 foundation who is organizing the event.
 
 We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and 
 make Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try to 
 organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.
 
 We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration 
 Conference Europe.
 
 To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k
 
 Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored 
 the event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).
 
 So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in and 
 help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.
 
 Cheers,
 
 -Sebastien
 

Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[Giles Sirett]

Kim - nice to see your interest here :-)

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-dublin


Kind Regards
Giles

D: +44 20 3603 0541tel:+44%2020%203603%200541 | M: +44 796 111 
2055tel:+44%20796%20111%202055
giles.sir...@shapeblue.commailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com

On 31 Mar 2015, at 19:37, White, Kim 
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com wrote:

What are the dates for the Dublin event?

--kim

Kim White
NetApp
408.822.3125 Direct
925.998.4252 Mobile
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com



From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

just a random thought...

Why dont you add registration fee or individual donations?

a kickstarter kind of campaign where in
$10 gets you Thankyou
$100 stickers + T shirt + recorded sessions
$500 1 entry + the above
$5000 2 entries + booth space etc.
probably, we could even use kickstarter.

~Rajani

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sebastien Goasguen 
run...@gmail.commailto:run...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,

After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen Vuong, 
Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the Linux 
foundation who is organizing the event.

We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and make 
Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try to 
organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.

We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 
Europe.

To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k

Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored the 
event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).

So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in and 
help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.

Cheers,

-Sebastien

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services

IaaS Cloud Design  Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//
CSForge - rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/
CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/
CloudStack Software 
Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/
CloudStack Infrastructure 
Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/

This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended 
solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or 
opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily 
represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the 
intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon 
its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you 
believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company 
incorporated in England  Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company 
incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape 
Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is 
operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company 
registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from 
Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.

RE: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[White, Kim]

What are the dates for the Dublin event?

--kim

Kim White
NetApp
408.822.3125 Direct
925.998.4252 Mobile
kim.wh...@netapp.commailto:kim.wh...@netapp.com



From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

just a random thought...

Why dont you add registration fee or individual donations?

a kickstarter kind of campaign where in
$10 gets you Thankyou
$100 stickers + T shirt + recorded sessions
$500 1 entry + the above
$5000 2 entries + booth space etc.
probably, we could even use kickstarter.

~Rajani

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sebastien Goasguen 
run...@gmail.commailto:run...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,

After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen Vuong, 
Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the Linux 
foundation who is organizing the event.

We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and make 
Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try to 
organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.

We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration Conference 
Europe.

To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k

Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored the 
event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).

So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in and 
help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.

Cheers,

-Sebastien

Re: CloudStack Collaboration conference Dublin

[Rajani Karuturi]

just a random thought...

Why dont you add registration fee or individual donations?

a kickstarter kind of campaign where in
$10 gets you Thankyou
$100 stickers + T shirt + recorded sessions
$500 1 entry + the above
$5000 2 entries + booth space etc.

probably, we could even use kickstarter.


~Rajani

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sebastien Goasguen run...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi folks,

 After getting feedback couple weeks ago on the cloudstack days, Karen
 Vuong, Giles and a couple others who volunteered to help discussed with the
 Linux foundation who is organizing the event.

 We are going to take a bit of a gamble, cancel the event in Budapest and
 make Dublin a two day event , collocated with linuxcon. We might also try
 to organize a unconference off-site after the 2 days.

 We will re-brand, CloudStack days Dublin: CloudStack Collaboration
 Conference Europe.

 To make this happen, we will need to raise an additional $10k

 Citrix, Shapeblue and Nuage Networks have already stepped in and sponsored
 the event (and some of the other ones as well, if not all).

 So potential sponsors listening on this list, you are welcome to jump in
 and help us make CCC Europe happen again, back by popular demand.

 Cheers,

 -Sebastien

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Video

[sebgoa]

Great Job Greg, glad you were thereOn Jan 28, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Arjan Eriks eriar...@gmail.com wrote:Seen the preview! It isgreat!	Steve Wilson	28 Jan 2014 00:13Great video.Love it.	Gregg Witkin	27 Jan 2014 18:46Hello,My name isGregg Witkin and Chip Childers suggested I send you this.Thelasttwo CloudStack Collaboration Conferences I have made a few videos andthislast one I think captures the essence of what CloudStack is all about.http://youtu.be/inZvX1P_L90Pleasefeel free to use this how you see fit.Thanks,Gregg

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Video

[Mark Hinkle]

Really nicely done. 

Regards, Mark 


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Gregg Witkin gregg.wit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 My name is Gregg Witkin and Chip Childers suggested I send you this.  The
 last two CloudStack Collaboration Conferences I have made a few videos and
 this last one I think captures the essence of what CloudStack is all about.
 
 http://youtu.be/inZvX1P_L90
 
 Please feel free to use this how you see fit.
 
 Thanks,
 Gregg

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Video

[Steve Wilson]

Great video.  Love it.

On 1/27/14 9:46 AM, Gregg Witkin gregg.wit...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

My name is Gregg Witkin and Chip Childers suggested I send you this.  The
last two CloudStack Collaboration Conferences I have made a few videos and
this last one I think captures the essence of what CloudStack is all
about.

http://youtu.be/inZvX1P_L90

Please feel free to use this how you see fit.

Thanks,
Gregg

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference Video

[Arjan Eriks]

Seen the preview! It is 
great!


   	   
   	Steve Wilson  
  28 Jan 2014 00:13
  Great video.  Love it.
   	   
   	Gregg Witkin  
  27 Jan 2014 18:46
  Hello,My name is 
Gregg Witkin and Chip Childers suggested I send you this.  Thelast 
two CloudStack Collaboration Conferences I have made a few videos andthis
 last one I think captures the essence of what CloudStack is all about.http://youtu.be/inZvX1P_L90Please
 feel free to use this how you see fit.Thanks,Gregg

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference North America 2014

[Mark Hinkle]

Angela,

I was waiting on Hugo to update DNS for the old sight to preserve the content 
at ccceu13.cloudstackcollab.orghttp://ccceu13.cloudstackcollab.org but if you 
send me the DNS entry I’ll update 
CloudStackCollab.orghttp://CloudStackCollab.org to point to the new site.


Regards, Mark


On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Angela Brown 
ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org wrote:

Hello everyone,

I wanted to check back in on http://www.cloudstackcollab.org/ being updated.

Thank you,

Angela


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Angela Brown 
ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org wrote:
Hello everyone,

Please let me know if their are any questions I can answer. We're very excited 
to be able to continue on the success of last fall's event in Europe and would 
definitely appreciate if we can get the website updated so we can start 
promoting.

Thank you,

Angela


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Mark Hinkle 
mark.hin...@citrix.commailto:mark.hin...@citrix.com wrote:
Hello,

The next CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held in Denver on April 
9-11. This will be held immediately after ApacheCon North America. The idea 
being that having a CloudStack event with the main Apache conference may help 
interactions between CloudStack and other projects. Also the ASF has signed up 
with the Linux Foundation to produce ApacheCon and the CloudStack PMC has also 
supported the Linux Foundation along with the ASF to produce the  CloudStack 
Collab to help drive economies of scale for both conferences and leverage their 
experience running open source conferences.

Angela Brown is the Linux Foundation is the event director(Cc'd here). I 
believe that this will allow the community to focus on the content/promoting 
the conference  and allow the Linux Foundation to handle the more mundane 
details like acquiring space, sponsors, refreshments and a/v. I can tell you 
from experience that they run a top notch event and I am sure that Angela will 
be happy to work with us to make this event (though I will say the CCCEU13 
really raised the bar for an event). I believe she is looking for volunteers 
for a program committee much as we did for Amsterdam so feel free to contact 
her if you are interested in helping.

For those running the old CloudStack Collab site, I propose changing the URL to 
CCCEU13.cloudstackcollab.orghttp://ccceu13.cloudstackcollab.org/ so we can 
preserve the old content and then point 
www.cloudstackcollab.orghttp://www.cloudstackcollab.org/ to the new site 
hosted by the Linux 
Foundation(http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-north-america).
 I think Hugo owns the infrastructure for the last site so if there is no 
objections I would just add the DNS entry and I'll make the updates.

Regards, Mark



Begin forwarded message:

From: Angela Brown 
ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference North America 2014
Date: January 13, 2014 at 7:00:23 PM EST
To: David Nalley da...@gnsa.usmailto:da...@gnsa.us
Cc: Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.orgmailto:chipchild...@apache.org, 
priv...@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:priv...@cloudstack.apache.org 
priv...@cloudstack.apache.orgmailto:priv...@cloudstack.apache.org, Angela 
Brown ang...@linux-foundation.orgmailto:ang...@linux-foundation.org, Mark 
Hinkle mark.hin...@citrix.commailto:mark.hin...@citrix.com

Hello everyone,

The website is now live and can found here: 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-north-america
Do you know who I would speak to about getting the 
http://www.cloudstackcollab.org/ url pointed to this page?

If you see anything that needs to be fixed, updated or added, please let me 
know. The CFP and registration will be linked shortly, but registration can be 
found here: https://www.regonline.com/cloudstackcollabconferencena2014

Thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Angela



  *

--
Angela Brown
Director of Events
The Linux Foundation
660 York Street, Suite 102
San Francisco, CA 94110
T: +1.415.368.4840tel:%2B1.415.368.4840
E: ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org
W: linuxfoundation.orghttp://linuxfoundation.org/ and 
events.linuxfoundation.orghttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/





--
Angela Brown
Director of Events
The Linux Foundation
660 York Street, Suite 102
San Francisco, CA 94110
T: +1.415.368.4840tel:%2B1.415.368.4840
E: ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org
W: linuxfoundation.orghttp://linuxfoundation.org/ and 
events.linuxfoundation.orghttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/




--
Angela Brown
Director of Events
The Linux Foundation
660 York Street, Suite 102
San Francisco, CA 94110
T: +1.415.368.4840
E: ang...@linuxfoundation.orgmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org
W: linuxfoundation.orghttp://linuxfoundation.org/ and 
events.linuxfoundation.orghttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference North America 2014

[Angela Brown]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to check back in on http://www.cloudstackcollab.org/ being
updated.

Thank you,

Angela


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Angela Brown ang...@linuxfoundation.orgwrote:

 Hello everyone,

 Please let me know if their are any questions I can answer. We're very
 excited to be able to continue on the success of last fall's event in
 Europe and would definitely appreciate if we can get the website updated so
 we can start promoting.

 Thank you,

 Angela


 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Mark Hinkle mark.hin...@citrix.comwrote:

  Hello,

  The next CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held in Denver on
 April 9-11. This will be held immediately after ApacheCon North America.
 The idea being that having a CloudStack event with the main Apache
 conference may help interactions between CloudStack and other projects.
 Also the ASF has signed up with the Linux Foundation to produce ApacheCon
 and the CloudStack PMC has also supported the Linux Foundation along with
 the ASF to produce the  CloudStack Collab to help drive economies of scale
 for both conferences and leverage their experience running open source
 conferences.

  Angela Brown is the Linux Foundation is the event director(Cc'd here).
 I believe that this will allow the community to focus on the
 content/promoting the conference  and allow the Linux Foundation to handle
 the more mundane details like acquiring space, sponsors, refreshments and
 a/v. I can tell you from experience that they run a top notch event and I
 am sure that Angela will be happy to work with us to make this event
 (though I will say the CCCEU13 really raised the bar for an event). I
 believe she is looking for volunteers for a program committee much as we
 did for Amsterdam so feel free to contact her if you are interested in
 helping.

  For those running the old CloudStack Collab site, I propose changing
 the URL to CCCEU13.cloudstackcollab.org so we can preserve the old
 content and then point www.cloudstackcollab.org to the new site hosted
 by the Linux Foundation(
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-north-america).
 I think Hugo owns the infrastructure for the last site so if there is no
 objections I would just add the DNS entry and I'll make the updates.

  Regards, Mark



 Begin forwarded message:

  *From: *Angela Brown ang...@linuxfoundation.org
  *Subject: * *Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference North America 2014*
  *Date: *January 13, 2014 at 7:00:23 PM EST
  *To: *David Nalley da...@gnsa.us
  *Cc: *Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org, 
 priv...@cloudstack.apache.org priv...@cloudstack.apache.org, Angela
 Brown ang...@linux-foundation.org, Mark Hinkle mark.hin...@citrix.com

  Hello everyone,

  The website is now live and can found here:
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-north-america
 Do you know who I would speak to about getting the
 http://www.cloudstackcollab.org/ url pointed to this page?

  If you see anything that needs to be fixed, updated or added, please
 let me know. The CFP and registration will be linked shortly, but
 registration can be found here:
 https://www.regonline.com/cloudstackcollabconferencena2014

  Thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

  Angela



-

 --
 Angela Brown
 Director of Events
 The Linux Foundation
 660 York Street, Suite 102
 San Francisco, CA 94110
 T: +1.415.368.4840
 E: ang...@linuxfoundation.org
 W: linuxfoundation.org and events.linuxfoundation.org





 --
 Angela Brown
 Director of Events
 The Linux Foundation
 660 York Street, Suite 102
 San Francisco, CA 94110
 T: +1.415.368.4840
 E: ang...@linuxfoundation.org
 W: linuxfoundation.org and events.linuxfoundation.org




-- 
Angela Brown
Director of Events
The Linux Foundation
660 York Street, Suite 102
San Francisco, CA 94110
T: +1.415.368.4840
E: ang...@linuxfoundation.org
W: linuxfoundation.org and events.linuxfoundation.org

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Marketing Plan?

[Chip Childers]

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:21:58PM +, Karen Vuong wrote:
 Hi Chip, 
 
 Can you use this one? It's at a higher res :) 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30760149/CloudStack+Collaboration+Conference+Banner+v3+Blue+Background+Only.jpg
  
 
 Thanks! 

Done

RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Marketing Plan?

[Karen Vuong]

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Higginbottom [mailto:geoff.higginbot...@shapeblue.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 5:08 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Marketing Plan?

I know Giles has been promoting it on the EU LinkedIn Group and I am also 
promoting via LinkedIn

*I have promoted the CCC13 via LinkedIn to the following groups:

- Open Source
- Build a Cloud
- Cloud Computing
- Cloud Computing, SaaS and Virtualization
- Open Source Cloud Computing Interface
- The Virtualization and Cloud Computing Group

 Here is what I propose, part of this may have already been done.

 MeetUp:
 Reach out to CloudStack Groups and sent a note - I've seen this has 
been done by Karen for NYC, perhaps there is more groups she has not 
reached out yet  Reach out to Other User Groups that CloudStack has 
been presented on in
2012/2013 and ask presenters to send a message to user group 
organizers about CCC13 so they can share with a group members

I think that Karen has done this for known groups.

*Done. I've posted this to the following groups in the discussions section, or 
as a 'perk' and asked organizers to send out an announcement. 

Cloud Slam - posted in discussions
San Francisco Cloud Mafia - posted to discussions, perks
San Francisco Cloud Computing Group - posted to discussions, perks
Bay area cloud storage -posted to discussions
The Cloud Club -asked organizer to send out the announcement
Open Source Cloud Meetup -asked organizer to send out the announcement
Cloud DC - asked organizer to send out the announcement
Charlotte Cloud Computing - asked organizer to send out the announcement
Washington DC Cloud Club - asked organizer to send out the announcement
SVCCG - organizer will send out an announcement 1 week before early bird 
pricing deadline
CloudStack DC and NoVa Group - posted to perks

Do we have a list of meeting group leaders? *No



 LinkedIn:
 Everyone in linkedin must update their personal status - as going to
CCC13
 Send a note on LinkedIn CloudStack and Cloud groups about CCC13
 Done.

Has it been promoted in the CloudStack Linked In group (and the EU one) 
yet?

Mark put a comment out there about a call for papers. I don't see anything 
about the main conference. So, I just put something up. :-)


 Twitter:
 Tweet and ask for retweets

@CloudStack has had lots of tweets scheduled for this already, but 
perhaps we need more?

What we need is people talking about it with the #hashtag. That will generate 
more buzz. So if people can get more talk with both #cloudstack and #ccc13 that 
would help. Got to start chatting it up.

*Mark has just secured Gene Kim, the author of The Phoenix Project: A Novel 
About IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win to be a keynote speaker for 
the CCC13. He will be doing book signings during the breaks on Day 1 of the 
conference as well. That's definitely something that we can start talking about 
on twitter! Joe can you create a tweet about this on the Apache CloudStack 
twitter account? Here is the direct link to the page that provides more info 
about Gene Kim as a keynote speaker for the CCC13: 
http://www.cloudstackcollab.org/keynote1/ 

 

 Mailing List:
 Already done, but I would send a notice once a week so that new 
comers can read and perhaps attend

Who wants to take this up?  users@ and dev@ are the right targets IMO.
 Once a week might be too much, but then again we are not that far 
away.

I think it definitely needs to be about once a week, but you have to keep it 
fresh and updated. Can't just be the same old same spam every time. I can take 
this one.

*You can probably talk about Gene Kim as a keynote speaker and Chip Childers 
will be doing a keynote on Day 1 as well.



 CloudStack.org:
 Needs to have a large banner about CCC13 on the main page

Hmm...  that's a reasonable idea.  What do others think?

Totally agree with this. It's not only to get the people in the community 
there, but people who are interested in the community as well.

*I agree. I can create a hi-res banner for the website on Thursday of this 
week. 



 Wikipedia:
 Needs to have a link and notice to CCC13


Not sure if that's legal, but somebody can certainly try!  I'd add a 
Conferences section, and then link to both the 2012 one and this one.
You'll need to cite the announcements probably.

 Facebook:
 The main image with 2 screens needs to have CCC13 notice

I don't do facebook, so I leave this to whomever (Joe?) has that access.


* I can create a hi-res image for this on Thursday of this week.



 If you think of more let me know, lets divide and conquer.

Blogs

-Once the program is announced, we will start seeing a lot of blog posts from 
the companies of speakers that have a talk accepted. I noticed that during the 
last CCC. I'll write a blog post on buildacloud.org and I have about five folks 
in mind who I can ask to write a blog post for their sites. 

Event Sections on Websites

-I've posted

Re: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Marketing Plan?

[Mathias Mullins]

On 5/8/13 9:06 PM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote:

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Musayev, Ilya imusa...@webmd.net wrote:
 Hi Chip,

 Here is what I propose, part of this may have already been done.

 MeetUp:
 Reach out to CloudStack Groups and sent a note - I've seen this has
been done by Karen for NYC, perhaps there is more groups she has not
reached out yet
 Reach out to Other User Groups that CloudStack has been presented on in
2012/2013 and ask presenters to send a message to user group organizers
about CCC13 so they can share with a group members

I think that Karen has done this for known groups.

Do we have a list of meeting group leaders?



 LinkedIn:
 Everyone in linkedin must update their personal status - as going to
CCC13
 Send a note on LinkedIn CloudStack and Cloud groups about CCC13


Has it been promoted in the CloudStack Linked In group (and the EU one)
yet?

Mark put a comment out there about a call for papers. I don't see anything
about the main conference. So, I just put something up. :-)


 Twitter:
 Tweet and ask for retweets

@CloudStack has had lots of tweets scheduled for this already, but
perhaps we need more?

What we need is people talking about it with the #hashtag. That will
generate more buzz. So if people can get more talk with both #cloudstack
and #ccc13 that would help. Got to start chatting it up.



 Mailing List:
 Already done, but I would send a notice once a week so that new comers
can read and perhaps attend

Who wants to take this up?  users@ and dev@ are the right targets IMO.
 Once a week might be too much, but then again we are not that far
away.

I think it definitely needs to be about once a week, but you have to keep
it fresh and updated. Can't just be the same old same spam every time. I
can take this one. 



 CloudStack.org:
 Needs to have a large banner about CCC13 on the main page

Hmm...  that's a reasonable idea.  What do others think?

Totally agree with this. It's not only to get the people in the community
there, but people who are interested in the community as well.



 Wikipedia:
 Needs to have a link and notice to CCC13


Not sure if that's legal, but somebody can certainly try!  I'd add a
Conferences section, and then link to both the 2012 one and this
one.  You'll need to cite the announcements probably.

 Facebook:
 The main image with 2 screens needs to have CCC13 notice

I don't do facebook, so I leave this to whomever (Joe?) has that access.



 If you think of more let me know, lets divide and conquer.

 Regards
 ilya


 -Original Message-
 From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.child...@sungard.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 11:36 AM
 To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: CloudStack Collaboration Conference - Marketing Plan?

 Hi all,

 While most of the event planning work is being done off-list for the
 upcoming conference, one area that I believe would be great to see the
 marketing@ community help out with is in coming up with a good
marketing
 plan for the conference.  We're actually (IMO) quite late in both
announcing
 the conference and in promoting it, however I think there's still time
to make
 an impact.

 So my first question is: has anyone already come up with a
comprehensive
 marketing plan to promote attendance at the conference?

 And the follow up: If the answer above is no, then does anyone want to
start
 that up and see if we can get the word out even more broadly?

 -chip