[MBZ] 81 240D For Sale

[Donald Snook]

My Mother, who knows nothing about cars, said her neighbor has a 81 240D
(auto) for sale. It has 221K miles on it and supposedly everything works
except the cruise control.  No affiliation.  She is sending me the
information on the car. It is in Springfield, Missouri.  She thought I
would be interested (and I might be) but, it would be easier if one of
you bought it, so I was not tempted.   Will send more information when I
get it.  She did say that the car started on the first try this morning.


 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K 

[MBZ] 1981 300D: heat off & on

[papcp]

I am not too sure why the heat comes off and on in the habitat. Once the car is 
started, the heat works fine. It is a bit later that the heat shuts off whether 
you are driving in town or on the highway; it will come back again after a 
while. Has anyone had that problem? Could it be the heater temp. sensor or? Any 
suggestions? 
PT



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I'm reading this around 4pm so some one may have already noticed
the the switch on the center dash is white from wear with only 80,000mi
Seems odd to me

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

[Marshall Booth]

Ralph W wrote:

I' trying to track down a nasty oil leak. Jeff Zedic mentioned that he thought 
the lift pump leaked which I assumed would be a diesel leak. The leak seems to 
be coming from the IP side of the engine near where the engine mount bracket is 
bolted to the block. Are there any common leaks on these engines? Does anyone 
have any thoughts as to where this leak is likely coming from? Thanks in 
advance.


Check the oil cooler lines, the front edge of the injection pump where 
it meets the block (if the "O" ring seal cracks the pump must be pulled 
to replace the "O" ring seal) and the air intake runners for cylinders 1 
thru 3 where they attach to the head (the intake manifold gasket will 
leak oil that accumulates in the intake manifold). These are all known 
potential oil leaks. The bottom, rear and side gaskets on the injection 
pump will sometimes leak. The side gasket can be replaced in situ, but 
the pump must be pulled to replace the others.


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Re: [MBZ] carbon removal

[Mike Canfield]

That is an old time trick.You can do it with water on a gasser, not sure 
how a diesel would react to that..For an old gasser you can get the 
engine warm, bring up the R's to about 2500 and SLOWLY trickle water into 
the carb throat.  Careful, not too much.  Don't want to stall it or 
hydrolock the engine.


Mike
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>


The M112 V-6 (like mine) has a carbon on the piston tops problem due to 
EGR
and no amount of fast driving will get rid of it. My dealer decarboned 
mine
(warranty) by pouring some kind of potion into it, smoking up the 
neighborhood. I

could tell the difference.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] carbon removal

[RELNGSON]

> < dump seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need 
> decarboning...>>
> 
> 
The M112 V-6 (like mine) has a carbon on the piston tops problem due to EGR 
and no amount of fast driving will get rid of it. My dealer decarboned mine 
(warranty) by pouring some kind of potion into it, smoking up the neighborhood. 
I 
could tell the difference.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Vanity plates

[RELNGSON]

> < had the Vanity Plate PNZRWGN in both VA and AZ..>>
> 
Two friends, now passed, owned two white 911s, his plate was PNZR and the 
hers was ROMMEL.

Another acquaintance who was in the garbage business (Bayside Disposal in 
Seattle) had a 6.9 plated "CASH" and his 911 Turbo was plated "TRASH."

Both of my cars have personized plates and I have never had an ID problem 
despite my practice of running "a few miles over."

RLE
> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[Chuck Landenberger]

Werner,

Some stories never die!!!  But, I must say the "once" on the PA  
Turnpike near Breezewood Exit was memorable!


Thanks for the opportunity to recall it...

Take care,

Chuck

On Dec 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Werner Fehlauer wrote:

Not to mention that "pnzrwgn" that tried to run on fumes once or  
twice..

Werner

Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

[Werner Fehlauer]

For gas or other fuel engines, the old John Deere admonition of "buy clean 
fuel, and keep it clean" applies.  And the best way to keep carbs on older 
and small engines clean is to make sure that only clean fuel is in the 
system, that it is consumed totally at frequent intervals, and if put away 
for extended periods, add a bit of gas stabilizer.  Once a small engine carb 
gets gummed up with old summer fuel, the only way to really clean it is with 
a complete disassembly and rebuild, not a pleasant task.  And if you don't 
have any gas stabilizer, then just run the engine completely out of fuel 
before putting it away.
For Diesels, you just need to run enough fuel through the system to keep the 
water content under control so that algae can't build up.  That means to run 
it enough (at least 15k miles a year?) so that the fuel in the tank and 
plumbing doesn't get "old".  Proper filter maintenance should protect the IP 
and injectors so that "snake oils" shouldn't be needed.


Werner

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Its a gas additive, works a champ in gas engines. I put some in my 240D 
once, seemed to sequester water fine.


It was only 3 weeks ago I'd heard about running it directly into an 
engine. A guy in one of my classes had run it into a vacuum port on his 
late model Audi.

Now the car runs like garbabge and aparently needs all new injectors...

I've got a snowmobile that needs a carb cleaning. The float needles like 
to stick on those, I'm thinking to run a small can of premix (that is gas 
and oil, its a 2 stroke) with a good slug of seafoam and see if it helps.
My Cub Cadet also has a dirty carb. I may try plumbing some purge in 
direct...


Its supposed to be good fuel stabilizer too but I haven't really tried it 
for that.


Decent stuff but I'll stick with Purge for my Benz.

-Curt

Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

[Curt Raymond]

Its a gas additive, works a champ in gas engines. I put some in my 240D once, 
seemed to sequester water fine.

It was only 3 weeks ago I'd heard about running it directly into an engine. A 
guy in one of my classes had run it into a vacuum port on his late model Audi.
Now the car runs like garbabge and aparently needs all new injectors...

I've got a snowmobile that needs a carb cleaning. The float needles like to 
stick on those, I'm thinking to run a small can of premix (that is gas and oil, 
its a 2 stroke) with a good slug of seafoam and see if it helps.
My Cub Cadet also has a dirty carb. I may try plumbing some purge in direct...

Its supposed to be good fuel stabilizer too but I haven't really tried it for 
that.

Decent stuff but I'll stick with Purge for my Benz.

-Curt

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It looks kinda like kids being kids.
What is this seafoam stuff? Is it gonna put diesel purge in the history 
books?

Bob R

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Not to mention that "pnzrwgn" that tried to run on fumes once or twice..
Werner

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> Actually, I was focussed on the gas models because of the "280" lead in.
> I
> could NEVER forget the indomitable concours and autocross-winning Pnzrwgn.
>
>
>
> On 12/27/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> You forgot the W116 300SD.  From '92, until I sold it this year I
>> had the Vanity Plate PNZRWGN in both VA and AZ..
>>
>> Wonderful car and truly "bulletproof"..
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Chuck
>> Phoenix AZ & Kailua HI (til 1/6)

Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[Dave Wakin]

I got quite lucky with my license plates - I live in Delaware County, NY and 
they issue special DW XXX plates.


I have DW plates on all three cars, two of which are sequential and one that 
is my birthday.


Dave Wakin 

[MBZ] '87 300TD

[Ralph W]

I' trying to track down a nasty oil leak. Jeff Zedic mentioned that he thought 
the lift pump leaked which I assumed would be a diesel leak. The leak seems to 
be coming from the IP side of the engine near where the engine mount bracket is 
bolted to the block. Are there any common leaks on these engines? Does anyone 
have any thoughts as to where this leak is likely coming from? Thanks in 
advance.

Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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Actually, I was focussed on the gas models because of the "280" lead in.  I
could NEVER forget the indomitable concours and autocross-winning Pnzrwgn.



On 12/27/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> You forgot the W116 300SD.  From '92, until I sold it this year I
> had the Vanity Plate PNZRWGN in both VA and AZ..
>
> Wonderful car and truly "bulletproof"..
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ & Kailua HI (til 1/6)
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:59 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Did you mean 450SEL?  I recall a W116 450SE and 450SE L (1973 -
> > 1980) 280S
> > (1975 -  1976), and 280SE (1977-1980) as US models...
> >
> > On 12/27/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> This discussion has me seriously considering getting the license
> >> plate I
> >> have wanted for years.   Do any of you remember the 1980's soap
> >> opera on
> >> Friday night - Dallas.  I remember as a kid (I was only 7 when it
> >> came
> >> out in 1979-80) I would watch it with my older brother and mother
> >> every
> >> Friday night.  A friend of mine was talking about the show and he
> >> said
> >> he had the first 5 seasons on DVD.  My wife and I immeadiately
> >> watched
> >> 1-2 episodes 3-4 times a week.  She did not know who shot JR (before
> >> watching the episode).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JR Ewing drove a 116 (280 SEL) in the first couple of seasons.
> >> Then he
> >> got a 126 (LWB).  So, I think the plate I want is:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "EWING 3"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JR was the bad guy, but he always got what he wanted and he was
> >> such a
> >> compelling character.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Donald H. Snook
> >>
> >> 1990 300SEL 133K
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Marshall Booth]

Ed Booher wrote:


Rusty's site says that Mercedes Factory or Zerex G-05 is ok, are they
equivalent coolants?


They are identical coolants made in the same factory to the same formula!

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Re: [MBZ] List Law

[Zeitgeist]

aka:  Dweeb, wannabe toughguy.  The real deal doesn't need props or
advertising.

On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Aw, but that guy fits right in with the picture theme. Tough truck, cop
car,
tough, cop-looking guy.



Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
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[MBZ] Good Deal

[Rusty Cullens]

What a winter special..A/C 
compressor for W124, W126, W201, 1985-1993 4 & 6 cylinder gas and diesels, only 
$245.00.  Nobody will touch that price. Jump on it now, even if it is snowing 
outside. 


Rusty Cullens
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1-800-741-5252

Re: [MBZ] List Law

[Zoltan Finks]

Aw, but that guy fits right in with the picture theme. Tough truck, cop car,
tough, cop-looking guy.

Brian


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List Law (like the  Man Law beer commericals):

If anyone of us take a pic of a vehicle to sell on eBay or CL and we are
in the pic, anyone from the list has the right...yea the duty to slap said
lister.

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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

[Christopher McCann]

especially direct injection which "carbons up" far less than an  indirect 
injection...blows out much more easily, which is why idling  tractor rigs is 
not a problem.
  
  2 cents.
  
  Chris
  
  

Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm  not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump  
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would  need 
decarboning...

-Curt





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Probably had to wait for another payday...

Bob R


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> you switched to M1 first in the gearbox, THEN the engine?  Que pasa?
>
> On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Hey that's cool - I just happened to switch to Mobil 1 in my gearbox
>> several
>> months ago in hope of improving shifting. Now I'm about to switch to the
>> same for the engine and see how it acts if it ever gets cold this winter
>> like it should be. We've sort of had Fall in December this year, with the
>> exception of a few frigid days.
>>
>> Brian
>> 83 240D
>> 84 Saab 900
>>
>> John wrote:
>>
>> There were a few "Marshalls" on those lists and all said "synthetic in
>> the manual gearboxes and MB antifreeze
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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

[Bob Rentfro]

It looks kinda like kids being kids.
What is this seafoam stuff? Is it gonna put diesel purge in the history 
books?


Bob R


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just 
dump seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would 
need decarboning...


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Sunil Hari]

you switched to M1 first in the gearbox, THEN the engine?  Que pasa?

On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey that's cool - I just happened to switch to Mobil 1 in my gearbox
several
months ago in hope of improving shifting. Now I'm about to switch to the
same for the engine and see how it acts if it ever gets cold this winter
like it should be. We've sort of had Fall in December this year, with the
exception of a few frigid days.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900

John wrote:

There were a few "Marshalls" on those lists and all said "synthetic in
the manual gearboxes and MB antifreeze
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Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

You forgot the W116 300SD.  From '92, until I sold it this year I  
had the Vanity Plate PNZRWGN in both VA and AZ..


Wonderful car and truly "bulletproof"..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ & Kailua HI (til 1/6)


On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:59 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Did you mean 450SEL?  I recall a W116 450SE and 450SE L (1973 -  
1980) 280S

(1975 -  1976), and 280SE (1977-1980) as US models...

On 12/27/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This discussion has me seriously considering getting the license  
plate I
have wanted for years.   Do any of you remember the 1980's soap  
opera on
Friday night - Dallas.  I remember as a kid (I was only 7 when it  
came
out in 1979-80) I would watch it with my older brother and mother  
every
Friday night.  A friend of mine was talking about the show and he  
said
he had the first 5 seasons on DVD.  My wife and I immeadiately  
watched

1-2 episodes 3-4 times a week.  She did not know who shot JR (before
watching the episode).



JR Ewing drove a 116 (280 SEL) in the first couple of seasons.   
Then he

got a 126 (LWB).  So, I think the plate I want is:



"EWING 3"



JR was the bad guy, but he always got what he wanted and he was  
such a

compelling character.



Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Instead of purge?

[Curt Raymond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump 
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need 
decarboning...

-Curt

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I work at Palo Verde, unit 2.
Not sure of the NERC ID or the RTO...heck, I don't even know exactly what 
is.
I'm just an A.O...

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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> Bob,
>
> Which plant do you work out of and what's the NERC ID? I'm curious
> which RTO you are under.
>
> Ed
>
> On 12/27/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As most know, I work at the old nuke plant out in the middle of the 
>> desert.
>> Being Auxiliary Operators (A.O.), my brethern and I operate and monitor
>> plant equipment in the field. We are refered to as the "control room's 
>> eyes
>> and ears" in the plant. We are not the coddled, well paid licensed 
>> reactor
>> operators who work in the control room.  Often the words, "they're just
>> A.O.s" slip from managemnets mouth.
>> That being said, one A.O. bud of mine, after having worked a great deal 
>> of
>> O.T. in a refueling outage, got some plates for his new Maxima that read,
>> "IBNAO". Another dude got plates for his new Eclipse that read, 
>> "JSTINAO".
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] License plate fun
>>
>>
>> > Also, I remember from my days working at the service station a few 
>> > plates
>> > that come to mind at the moment:
>> >
>> > The daughter of a doctor that had an account at the station. She'd come
>> > in,
>> > fill up, sign the ticket and leave none the poorer, hot chick that she
>> > was.
>> > Licence plate: SNAAB. You can guess the type of car.
>> >
>> > The guy in the yellow Cadillac with plate: DUG4IT. Don't know if he was
>> > referring to his success or if he literally was into mining for 
>> > precious
>> > metal or what. He was a first class AHOLE who routinely ran the pump 
>> > over
>> > a
>> > few cents and left. When I confronted him about in once, he simply said 
>> > it
>> > was my fault.
>> >
>> > The reported wife of the head of the Bonano crime family. Also drove a
>> > yellow Cadillac. Plate: YLOROS. Her identity was not just a rumor among 
>> > us
>> > pump jockies, it was confirmed by the station owner who worked on her 
>> > car.
>> > She acted the part - not overtly rude - in fact nicer than a lot of our
>> > full-serve customers - but very confident and not to be bothered.
>> >
>> > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Zoltan Finks]

Hey that's cool - I just happened to switch to Mobil 1 in my gearbox several
months ago in hope of improving shifting. Now I'm about to switch to the
same for the engine and see how it acts if it ever gets cold this winter
like it should be. We've sort of had Fall in December this year, with the
exception of a few frigid days.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900

John wrote:

There were a few "Marshalls" on those lists and all said "synthetic in
the manual gearboxes and MB antifreeze

Re: [MBZ] License plate fun

[Ed Booher]

Bob,

Which plant do you work out of and what's the NERC ID? I'm curious
which RTO you are under.

Ed

On 12/27/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

As most know, I work at the old nuke plant out in the middle of the desert.
Being Auxiliary Operators (A.O.), my brethern and I operate and monitor
plant equipment in the field. We are refered to as the "control room's eyes
and ears" in the plant. We are not the coddled, well paid licensed reactor
operators who work in the control room.  Often the words, "they're just
A.O.s" slip from managemnets mouth.
That being said, one A.O. bud of mine, after having worked a great deal of
O.T. in a refueling outage, got some plates for his new Maxima that read,
"IBNAO". Another dude got plates for his new Eclipse that read, "JSTINAO".

Bob R.


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> Also, I remember from my days working at the service station a few plates
> that come to mind at the moment:
>
> The daughter of a doctor that had an account at the station. She'd come
> in,
> fill up, sign the ticket and leave none the poorer, hot chick that she
> was.
> Licence plate: SNAAB. You can guess the type of car.
>
> The guy in the yellow Cadillac with plate: DUG4IT. Don't know if he was
> referring to his success or if he literally was into mining for precious
> metal or what. He was a first class AHOLE who routinely ran the pump over
> a
> few cents and left. When I confronted him about in once, he simply said it
> was my fault.
>
> The reported wife of the head of the Bonano crime family. Also drove a
> yellow Cadillac. Plate: YLOROS. Her identity was not just a rumor among us
> pump jockies, it was confirmed by the station owner who worked on her car.
> She acted the part - not overtly rude - in fact nicer than a lot of our
> full-serve customers - but very confident and not to be bothered.
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[LT Don]

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[MBZ] Fw: [Biodiesel] Mercedes diesel for salel

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I'll be putting my 1986 300SDL on eBay soon and thought I would give the list 
first crack at it. It's a Black sedan with the six cylinder Diesel. 192700 
miles. Looks and runs great. I paid $4,500.00 for it 6 months ago and spent 
$700.00 getting the air to blow cold. I'm asking $4,500.00 It's in Mountain 
Home Arkansas. Anyone interested can email me thegeekynerd@ hotmail.com for 
pic's and more info. 

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Re: [MBZ] List Law

[Curt Raymond]

Agreed, but I WANT that thing...
As I read the listing I started thinking of all the things it'd be handy for... 
Especially with that mower.

-Curt

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List Law (like the  Man Law beer commericals):

If anyone of us take a pic of a vehicle to sell on eBay or CL and we 
are in the pic, anyone from the list has the right...yea the duty to slap 
said lister. 

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Andrew S. wrote: "Did you mean 450SEL?  I recall a W116 450SE and 450SE
L (1973 - 1980) 280S (1975 -  1976), and 280SE (1977-1980) as US
models..."=20

=20

I know that the first car he had was badged - 280 something.  I don't
know whether it was SE or SEL.  But, then in the second or third season
he switched to a LWB 126.  I don't know the designation.  It would make
sense that he would have a 450SEl, but I paused it and it said 280.  =20

=20

I also really liked Jock's car.  He had a Big old Lincoln Mark IV (or
III can't tell).   Jock was Ewing 1, Miss Ellie was Ewing 2,  JR was
Ewing 3, Bobby was Ewing 4 and I can't remember whether Lucy or Pam were
Ewing 5. =20

=20

Season 6 comes out soon so maybe JR has upgraded. =20

=20

Sue Ellen also had a 300TD (Wagon) that JR got her to replace the Big
Ford Country Squire Wagon that she had in the first few episodes. =20

=20

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Pre-rodbender?

[Bob Rentfro]

Yes it is...wadaya think it will go for?
Bob R.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:27 AM
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yep - that's the 3.0L turbodiesel, IIRC.  Nearly bulletproof, and actually
the exact car i've been looking for.  However, it's in Cali.

On 12/27/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is pre-rodbender, correct?

http://tinyurl.com/yy9n9p

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Pre-rodbender?

[dave walton]

Yes. That looks like a nice one. Very nice. My 87 has 330,000+ miles.
Easy to work on. Lots of room under the hood for a WVO conversion.

-Dave Walton
82 240D, 87SDL, 94S350, 99E30


On 12/27/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is pre-rodbender, correct?

http://tinyurl.com/yy9n9p

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Re: [MBZ] Cincinnati 1987 300D

[Alex Chamberlain]

You could flip it on the West Coast for $5,000 easy!


On 12/27/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


sure, since i have an extra $2000 lying around.

On 12/26/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Since its cheap,  buy it for me Dad, and I'll take it off your hands as
> soon as I unload some other stuff.
>
> At 10:29 AM 12/25/2006, you wrote:
> >its cheap
> >
> >Sunil Hari wrote:
> >
> > > http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/253208289.html
> > >
> > > holler if you want me to look.
> > >
> >
> >--
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> >   (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
> >   87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
> >   81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] List Law

[Bob Rentfro]

List Law (like the  Man Law beer commericals):

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http://tinyurl.com/yhlvka


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Re: [MBZ] Pre-rodbender?

[Sunil Hari]

yep - that's the 3.0L turbodiesel, IIRC.  Nearly bulletproof, and actually
the exact car i've been looking for.  However, it's in Cali.

On 12/27/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is pre-rodbender, correct?

http://tinyurl.com/yy9n9p

Bob R

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[MBZ] Pre-rodbender?

[Bob Rentfro]

This is pre-rodbender, correct?

http://tinyurl.com/yy9n9p

Bob R

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Bob Rentfro]

From what I know they are equivalentI'm looking for a link I had at one 

time

Bob R


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On 12/27/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I put the Zerex G-05 in my Saab 900S (and a new t-stat) and am achieving
operating temperatures without overheating (unlike with the green stuff,
where it wouldn't go above cold).


Rusty's site says that Mercedes Factory or Zerex G-05 is ok, are they
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Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[andrew strasfogel]

Did you mean 450SEL?  I recall a W116 450SE and 450SE L (1973 - 1980) 280S
(1975 -  1976), and 280SE (1977-1980) as US models...

On 12/27/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This discussion has me seriously considering getting the license plate I
have wanted for years.   Do any of you remember the 1980's soap opera on
Friday night - Dallas.  I remember as a kid (I was only 7 when it came
out in 1979-80) I would watch it with my older brother and mother every
Friday night.  A friend of mine was talking about the show and he said
he had the first 5 seasons on DVD.  My wife and I immeadiately watched
1-2 episodes 3-4 times a week.  She did not know who shot JR (before
watching the episode).



JR Ewing drove a 116 (280 SEL) in the first couple of seasons.  Then he
got a 126 (LWB).  So, I think the plate I want is:



"EWING 3"



JR was the bad guy, but he always got what he wanted and he was such a
compelling character.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K

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Re: [MBZ] license plate fun

[Bob Rentfro]

I've had only two vanity (as AZ calls 'em) plates.
One for my wife's '88 Exploder back in the day when she co-owned a dance 
studio (Take Five Dance Academy)  "UGOTK5".
The other was on my '81 300D I had in the '80smy best friend (who's 
nickname was Hoop) got killed by cancer in two weeks time. I got a plate 
which read, "4 HOOP".


I almost got "77 W123" for my '77 300D (duh) but that is boring.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[John Peterson]

In the 8 years I had Saab 900S's and was on the Saab lists, people 
always recommended MERCEDES coolant for the 900's!  There was something 
in the MB stuff that protected the gaskets in the 1989-93 ones that had 
a weakness (something in the alloy on the head and the SS had a bad 
chemical reaction that resulted in many head gasket replacements.)


There were a few "Marshalls" on those lists and all said "synthetic in 
the manual gearboxes and MB antifreeze."


Wonderful cars, those manual shift 900S's.  I love them.

John Peterson


Sunil Hari wrote:

I put the Zerex G-05 in my Saab 900S (and a new t-stat) and am achieving
operating temperatures without overheating (unlike with the green stuff,
where it wouldn't go above cold).

On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I found this info in a response to a question I asked regarding which
coolant to use in my Saab 900. Most responses came back "use the green
stuff." But one guy sent this link. It recommends (at length) using
Mercedes
coolant. The recommendation comes from an experienced mechanic who works
on
imports. Judge for yourself upon reading.

http://townsendimports.com/Web/cooling_system_folder/coolingsys.htm

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900
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Re: [MBZ] Low Mileage, Low Priced 240D 4 Sp.

[John Peterson]

But she'll take the 3K.  I was writing to her.  My wife won't let me buy 
it now but...for some lucky one with "permission"!

Read the FAQ's at the bottom of the bid- she'll take 3k.

John Peterson


John Freer wrote:

With no Reserve, you can bet that the action will pick up towards the
end of the auction.

On 12/26/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Good price but zero bids...

On 12/26/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess if you can put up with the slow car this is a good deal.  Seems
like a good price for the miles and lack of rust.  Wish I could get a
look at it myself but I'm in Rhode Island and it is in Florida.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330066534545

No affiliation etc.

Happy NEW YEAR to all

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 84k
Kingston RI
Neighbor (nearly) to Dwight Giles of the Quahog Co.




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Re: [MBZ] License plate fun

[Bob Rentfro]

As most know, I work at the old nuke plant out in the middle of the desert. 
Being Auxiliary Operators (A.O.), my brethern and I operate and monitor 
plant equipment in the field. We are refered to as the "control room's eyes 
and ears" in the plant. We are not the coddled, well paid licensed reactor 
operators who work in the control room.  Often the words, "they're just 
A.O.s" slip from managemnets mouth.
That being said, one A.O. bud of mine, after having worked a great deal of 
O.T. in a refueling outage, got some plates for his new Maxima that read, 
"IBNAO". Another dude got plates for his new Eclipse that read, "JSTINAO".


Bob R.


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] License plate fun



Also, I remember from my days working at the service station a few plates
that come to mind at the moment:

The daughter of a doctor that had an account at the station. She'd come 
in,
fill up, sign the ticket and leave none the poorer, hot chick that she 
was.

Licence plate: SNAAB. You can guess the type of car.

The guy in the yellow Cadillac with plate: DUG4IT. Don't know if he was
referring to his success or if he literally was into mining for precious
metal or what. He was a first class AHOLE who routinely ran the pump over 
a

few cents and left. When I confronted him about in once, he simply said it
was my fault.

The reported wife of the head of the Bonano crime family. Also drove a
yellow Cadillac. Plate: YLOROS. Her identity was not just a rumor among us
pump jockies, it was confirmed by the station owner who worked on her car.
She acted the part - not overtly rude - in fact nicer than a lot of our
full-serve customers - but very confident and not to be bothered.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so nolo on the porcupine for now?

OK Don wrote:


Nope - not in the owners manual. The 30 amp fuse is fine. And, the fan
is working normally today! All I did was measure resistance (0.13)
through the 30A fuse!
It must be a loose connection somewhere in the ACC circuitry. This
will be fun to diagnose, if it ever happens again.

On 12/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


No, it wouldnt.  Not sure what the blinking light would be.  Read the
owners manual, I bet there is something in there about it.






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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Ed Booher]

On 12/27/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I put the Zerex G-05 in my Saab 900S (and a new t-stat) and am achieving
operating temperatures without overheating (unlike with the green stuff,
where it wouldn't go above cold).


Rusty's site says that Mercedes Factory or Zerex G-05 is ok, are they
equivalent coolants?


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Ed Booher]

On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I found this info in a response to a question I asked regarding which
coolant to use in my Saab 900. Most responses came back "use the green
stuff." But one guy sent this link. It recommends (at length) using Mercedes
coolant. The recommendation comes from an experienced mechanic who works on
imports. Judge for yourself upon reading.

http://townsendimports.com/Web/cooling_system_folder/coolingsys.htm

Brian


Ok, since I know nothing of Mercedes coolant, do you have a link with
info on it? I'm curious about it now.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Sunil Hari]

I put the Zerex G-05 in my Saab 900S (and a new t-stat) and am achieving
operating temperatures without overheating (unlike with the green stuff,
where it wouldn't go above cold).

On 12/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I found this info in a response to a question I asked regarding which
coolant to use in my Saab 900. Most responses came back "use the green
stuff." But one guy sent this link. It recommends (at length) using
Mercedes
coolant. The recommendation comes from an experienced mechanic who works
on
imports. Judge for yourself upon reading.

http://townsendimports.com/Web/cooling_system_folder/coolingsys.htm

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900
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Re: [MBZ] Apple

[Curt Raymond]

I didn't realize that, I haven't had the opportunity to play with an Intel Mac 
yet, the newest I've used is a Quad core G5.

So it only took them 22 years and lessee 8(?) mouse revisions to get a two 
button mouse

Still if thats the worst of my complaints.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:19:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple
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On 12/26/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but they still ship with a stinkin single button mouse. How they can 
design something as cool as their current mouse without having a second 
button baffles and annoys me.

Incorrect, all Macs currently ship with a two button mouse with scroll
wheel. (Except the Mac Mini which sells as a BYOKMD - Bring Your Own
Keyboard Mouse Display, but the Mighty Mouse can be added as a Build
to Order option.) In fact, I believe all Intel Macs have shipped with
the Mighty Mouse, so they have been shipping a two button scroll wheel
mouse for over a year now.

However, the laptops still need you to Option Click for button two,
though on a laptop your hands are on the keyboard with a finger on the
trackpad, so that's not as hard to deal with.

Ed

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This discussion has me seriously considering getting the license plate I
have wanted for years.   Do any of you remember the 1980's soap opera on
Friday night - Dallas.  I remember as a kid (I was only 7 when it came
out in 1979-80) I would watch it with my older brother and mother every
Friday night.  A friend of mine was talking about the show and he said
he had the first 5 seasons on DVD.  My wife and I immeadiately watched
1-2 episodes 3-4 times a week.  She did not know who shot JR (before
watching the episode).  =20

=20

JR Ewing drove a 116 (280 SEL) in the first couple of seasons.  Then he
got a 126 (LWB).  So, I think the plate I want is:=20

=20

"EWING 3"  =20

=20

JR was the bad guy, but he always got what he wanted and he was such a
compelling character.  =20

=20

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K=20

Re: [MBZ] Low Mileage, Low Priced 240D 4 Sp.

[andrew strasfogel]

I doubt it will get as single bid.  Seller has zero feedback, description is
spotty, lame excuse for selling, limited photos, dirty floor mats, no
mention of service records.



On 12/27/06, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


With no Reserve, you can bet that the action will pick up towards the
end of the auction.

On 12/26/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good price but zero bids...
>
> On 12/26/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess if you can put up with the slow car this is a good
deal.  Seems
> > like a good price for the miles and lack of rust.  Wish I could get a
> > look at it myself but I'm in Rhode Island and it is in Florida.
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330066534545
> >
> > No affiliation etc.
> >
> > Happy NEW YEAR to all
> >
> > John Peterson
> > 1991 300D 2.5 84k
> > Kingston RI
> > Neighbor (nearly) to Dwight Giles of the Quahog Co.
> >
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Mercedes-Related Coolant Info from Saab List

[Zoltan Finks]

I found this info in a response to a question I asked regarding which
coolant to use in my Saab 900. Most responses came back "use the green
stuff." But one guy sent this link. It recommends (at length) using Mercedes
coolant. The recommendation comes from an experienced mechanic who works on
imports. Judge for yourself upon reading.

http://townsendimports.com/Web/cooling_system_folder/coolingsys.htm

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900

Re: [MBZ] Cincinnati 1987 300D

[Sunil Hari]

sure, since i have an extra $2000 lying around.

On 12/26/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Since its cheap,  buy it for me Dad, and I'll take it off your hands as
soon as I unload some other stuff.

At 10:29 AM 12/25/2006, you wrote:
>its cheap
>
>Sunil Hari wrote:
>
> > http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/253208289.html
> >
> > holler if you want me to look.
> >
>
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>   (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
>   87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
>   81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>http://www.striplin.net
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Re: [MBZ] License plate fun

[Zoltan Finks]

Also, I remember from my days working at the service station a few plates
that come to mind at the moment:

The daughter of a doctor that had an account at the station. She'd come in,
fill up, sign the ticket and leave none the poorer, hot chick that she was.
Licence plate: SNAAB. You can guess the type of car.

The guy in the yellow Cadillac with plate: DUG4IT. Don't know if he was
referring to his success or if he literally was into mining for precious
metal or what. He was a first class AHOLE who routinely ran the pump over a
few cents and left. When I confronted him about in once, he simply said it
was my fault.

The reported wife of the head of the Bonano crime family. Also drove a
yellow Cadillac. Plate: YLOROS. Her identity was not just a rumor among us
pump jockies, it was confirmed by the station owner who worked on her car.
She acted the part - not overtly rude - in fact nicer than a lot of our
full-serve customers - but very confident and not to be bothered.

Brian

Re: [MBZ] License plate fun

[Zoltan Finks]

I saw a plate a while ago that said "life sux" or however they spelled it.

Back in my musclecar days, I always wanted to get the plate "VOODOO" in
reference to the Mopar ad campaign from the approx. era of my car that had
as its slogan "I'ts voodoo, baby". I never brought myself to pay the extra
cost, and then insurance costs were unaffordable to me, the single, young
male (even with spotless driving record). And the car had trouble passing
emissions owing to the low vacuum pulled at idle by its long duration cam.
So I never really drove the car enough to think about custom plates again.

And I also wanted to remain less readily identifiable by someone who might
want to report me for something. Kinda a bad idea for someone to have a real
catchy license plate for people to remember, if they don't intend to always
remain within the law.

I do remember that the form required an explanation of the applicant's
reason for their plate wording choice. I thought that it was up to the
discretion of the MVD to allow or disallow a given plate.

Brian
83 240D
68 Coronet 500

On 12/26/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


MD allowed my son's Satan vanity plates, much to my chagrin...

Re: [MBZ] Low Mileage, Low Priced 240D 4 Sp.

[John Freer]

With no Reserve, you can bet that the action will pick up towards the
end of the auction.

On 12/26/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Good price but zero bids...

On 12/26/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess if you can put up with the slow car this is a good deal.  Seems
> like a good price for the miles and lack of rust.  Wish I could get a
> look at it myself but I'm in Rhode Island and it is in Florida.
>
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330066534545
>
> No affiliation etc.
>
> Happy NEW YEAR to all
>
> John Peterson
> 1991 300D 2.5 84k
> Kingston RI
> Neighbor (nearly) to Dwight Giles of the Quahog Co.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] [OT] dental surgery

[Bob Rentfro]

David wondered:

"They also warned me that my lower roots were "curvy" and
they might have to leave a piece of root in, if it broke off.  I'm not
sure what the consequences of that would be."

The five minute video I watched today while in the chair waiting for the Dr. 
to come in said if a bit of root was left over, it "usually" wasn't a 
problem. They also said that a piece of root could come off and be left in 
your sinus, which would lead to more surgery. It was very noticable how many 
times the words "to have this procedure done is YOUR decision" were uttered 
in five minutes. Now I just have to wait until the 18th...get off at 0700 
after working a 12 hour shift and get the buggers cut out at 1000. I may not 
need the sleepy IV.


Bob R


- 

Re: [MBZ] [OT] dental surgery

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Curt, I know the upper ones can get into the sinuses, but I thought that the
> risk of the lower roots getting onto or around the lower jaw area risked
> permanent numbness, and I wonder, maybe worse (like paralysis, i.e. drooping
> lip, etc.). My dentists says that the latter stuff doesn't happen. I've also
> heard horror stories of broken jaws. My surgeon at the said he had not
> broken a jaw in several years.

When I had mine removed they gave me a sheet with warnings about all
that stuff, including the possibility of numbness or a broken jaw.  I
imagine a broken jaw is most likely to happen to older people with
brittle bones.  They also warned me that my lower roots were "curvy" and
they might have to leave a piece of root in, if it broke off.  I'm not
sure what the consequences of that would be.

Re: [MBZ] Low Mileage, Low Priced 240D 4 Sp.

[andrew strasfogel]

Good price but zero bids...

On 12/26/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I guess if you can put up with the slow car this is a good deal.  Seems
like a good price for the miles and lack of rust.  Wish I could get a
look at it myself but I'm in Rhode Island and it is in Florida.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330066534545

No affiliation etc.

Happy NEW YEAR to all

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 84k
Kingston RI
Neighbor (nearly) to Dwight Giles of the Quahog Co.




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Re: [MBZ] License plate fun

[andrew strasfogel]

MD allowed my son's Satan vanity plates, much to my chagrin...

On 12/26/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Okay, so maybe I'm mistaken that the digits 666 have not been hisorically
allowed on license plates. Perhaps they're avoided? You'd think they'd show
up often enough for me to remember seeing it at least once (not counting
recently).

And no, I haven't just started thinking about it in recent years, so it's
not the "you're thinking about it, so now you see it all the time"
phenomenon.

Brian


On 12/26/06, kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why is it that you never used to see the digits 666 on a license plate,
> but
> nowadays you do?
>
> One of my dad's friends had a 1976 T-Bird with the original CA plate "666
> prw".  It was kept pristine for mearly 9 years until it was involved in a
> MAJOR accident which still left it driveable although it slowly
> deteriorated
> electrically and mechanically after that.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 265k miles, Ursula
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Re: [MBZ] OT Marine Diesel - Westerbeke

[Bill Gallagher]

Westerbeke 4-108
Production from Sept 75 to Jun 78

Bill
1981 300 TD

Chris Kueny wrote:

What make and model marine diesel?

Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
78 Chevy Custom deluxe
'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback


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Subject: [MBZ] Marine Diesel - Westerbeke


  
Owner said low oil pressure after twenty minutes of operation  
engine 1978 never rebuild
What are the possible causes of low oil pressure AFTER 20 minutes 
operation . TIA


Bill
1981 300 TD




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Re: [MBZ] Cincinnati 1987 300D

[Loren Faeth]

Since its cheap,  buy it for me Dad, and I'll take it off your hands as 
soon as I unload some other stuff.


At 10:29 AM 12/25/2006, you wrote:

its cheap

Sunil Hari wrote:

> http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/253208289.html
>
> holler if you want me to look.
>

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  87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
  81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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Re: [MBZ] Marine Diesel - Westerbeke

[Chris Kueny]

What make and model marine diesel?

Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback


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Subject: [MBZ] Marine Diesel - Westerbeke


Owner said low oil pressure after twenty minutes of operation  
engine 1978 never rebuild
What are the possible causes of low oil pressure AFTER 20 minutes 
operation . TIA


Bill
1981 300 TD

Re: [MBZ] OT: Low oil pressure?

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Bill -
> I guess you have checked the easy stuff. O-rings on the oil filter bolt, 
> proper filter, proper oil viscosity? It is also pretty easy to drop the
> steel portion of the oil pan

It's not pretty easy to drop the oil pan on a yacht, unless you
cut a hole in the hull first. I guess that's what Bill gets for
not marking this thread "OT", I just did it for him. The subject
of this discussion is a Brit diesel boat motor. (BTW, is it
the Atomic4 diesel or something else?)

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Larry,
Given that this happened on Christmas Eve, maybe the red light was the
Rudolph light.
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

Nope - not in the owners manual. The 30 amp fuse is fine. And, the fan
is working normally today! All I did was measure resistance (0.13)
through the 30A fuse!
It must be a loose connection somewhere in the ACC circuitry. This
will be fun to diagnose, if it ever happens again.

On 12/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, it wouldnt.  Not sure what the blinking light would be.  Read the
> owners manual, I bet there is something in there about it.
>

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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Filter Shaft and o-rings

[MICHAEL ESH]

John, Chuck, Larry, Marshall,
Thanks for the information, I will be ordering the several sets of  the 
0-rings and other stuff from Rusty in the next day or so.

The ones on the 240D were very brittle and broke off when I picked at them.
mike
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From: "John W. Reames III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Filter Shaft and o-rings



On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, MICHAEL ESH wrote:

I have a 1983 240 D and a  1981 300SD.  The oil filter is accessed from 
the top and they have a hollow metal shaft with two o-rings on the lower 
end of the shaft.

How often should these o-rings be replaced?


When they get hard and are deformed (square not round)

How do you clean out the hollow shaft?  I use brake cleaner and 
compressed air.  Are you supposed to run a wire or cleaning brush through 
this shaft to keep it clear or just rinse it out.

I used carb cleaner, but there is a spring/ball check-valve in the tube, I
think it is downflow only. I recall using the carb cleaner in the side
port(s) to flush it.

-j.



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Re: [MBZ] [OT] Aftermarket parts question - Isuzu

[Sunil Hari]

solved the seat issue - bought a pair of leather seats from a guy in town.
Extreme solution, yes, but these aren't ripped and have all the right parts.

On 12/26/06, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> Worldpac (I'm looking at www.thepartsbin.com - Rusty doesn't sell
Japanese
> car parts, does he?) lists four different possibilities, made by Adler,
PBR,
> Raybestos, and Sachs.  Prices range from $57 to $103.  Which should I
get?

*shhh* I bought toyota corolla parts from him -- exhaust, struts, brake
pads, couple other things.

If worldpac stocks it he will get it :)
-j.



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Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[OK Don]

Nope - I have the original OM - went all the way through it. The light
in question is on the rocker switch that switches the ACC to
recirculation mode - the light tells you that you're in that mode.
It is now off, and everything works as it should. Gremlins!

On 12/26/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Are you using the OM on the CD?  If so, it's for a 95 S420 IIRC - bot it's
not for your car.  If using the OM for your can somethings strange - if the
light is on the dash there should be a description somewhere.



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Re: [MBZ] [OT] Of man and machine (silicon)

[Ed Booher]

On 12/26/06, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

(And we wont even talk about the vaxen (and mipsen) that are hiding in the
closet!).

-j.


You have mipsen?! Ah damn, that brings a tear to the eye. They should
mingle with my sparcen, who knows what they would turn out.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] [OT] Of man and machine (silicon)

[OK Don]

No doubt about it - those Macs are good. I might need to play with one
some day. So is Linux. You don't constantly hack at your linux
firewall/server however - you set it up, and it just runs. I've had NT
servers that did the same thing. They got replaced (at work) for
hardware support contract reasons (some people are VERY risk adverse).
I have a P90 over drive chipped Windows 95 box that I keep just for
programming AVL Genesis slide shows. It's the only motherboard I have
left that will accept a full length, full height ISA board (AVL
Genesis). It was up graded to W95 in 1996, and haven't required
anything since. It hasn't been patched since we stopped surfing the
Internet with it years ago - just runs when I want it (not that often
now).
Your home network runs circles around mine! I'll save this for the
next time my wife asks why I need to add another component to it!

On 12/26/06, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, OK Don wrote:

Umm I'm not a "mac person" but I picked up a piece of cordwood for cheap
and its suprisingly capable. OS X (any variant) is unix under the hood
with an Apple GUI on top. Literally. It is a Mach Kernel with BSD
trimmings. Dig into "Applications/Utilities/Terminal" and behold the unix
prompt. You can remote manage it via VNC. It supports full X11
capabilities. It has no problem at all with multiprocessing.  I was
sitting there burning CD's while sucking down disk images and surfing the
net... I don't have a single coaster and did not have a single buffer
underrun. It just worked


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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Oil Filter Shaft and o-rings

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, MICHAEL ESH wrote:

> I have a 1983 240 D and a  1981 300SD.  The oil filter is accessed from the 
> top and they have a hollow metal shaft with two o-rings on the lower end of 
> the shaft.
> How often should these o-rings be replaced?

When they get hard and are deformed (square not round)

> How do you clean out the hollow shaft?  I use brake cleaner and compressed 
> air.  Are you supposed to run a wire or cleaning brush through this shaft to 
> keep it clear or just rinse it out. 
I used carb cleaner, but there is a spring/ball check-valve in the tube, I 
think it is downflow only. I recall using the carb cleaner in the side 
port(s) to flush it.

-j.

Re: [MBZ] R 320 CDI

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, wilton strickland wrote:

> Son is considering a 07 R 320CDI?  Any words of wisdom?

*droool* yeah I'd like to have $54k to plunk for a mercedes mommy-mobile 
(not quite a minivan but great for kids) Let me know all about it!

My initial thoughts are:  ULSD ONLY. make sure to carry a marked map of 
where it is safe to fuel up.  I am also wary of the sensatronic braking 
which is due to be dropped in favor of hydraulic/mechanical brakes (as 
opposed to the fly-by-wire type)

But if you have the money to buy it, why worry about the cost of servicing 
it! 

I'll let someone else take the depreciation hit on it first.

-j.

Re: [MBZ] Apple

[OK Don]

Yes - I realize that --- hence my DOS 3 days disclaimer. They've all
come a long way since then. No more manually setting interupts, etc.
Plug 'n pray even involves a lot less praying now than it used to.


You do realize that today's Mac are 100% UNIX, right? The kernel is
Open Sourced (under the BSD License in the form of Darwin), the
language (Objective-C) was set to revolutionize UNIX when it was NeXT,
and it is apparently still a great language.

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Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> No, it wouldnt.  Not sure what the blinking light would be.  Read the 
> owners manual, I bet there is something in there about it.

I did a quick pawing through the WIS and didn't see anything... wonder if 
the aux coolant pump died and fried the silicon in the box?

-j.

Re: [MBZ] Sigh....

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Bob Rentfro wrote:

> I have never driven a turbo...yet. All I know is normally aspirated (220D, 
> 300D).
> My grand plan (now...today...at this moment) is the next thing I get will be 
> an '84-'86 300D Turbo for wifey to drive and turn the Acura into the 3rd 
> car.

Go get something with an OM606.96x in it. She will have so much fun she 
won't mess with the Acura anymore!  (got 1 at the curb, 1 more on the 
way) 

1984 300SD (field modified-extra short) 249k (RIP) 
1985 300D 223k (like a sewing machine)
1991 Jeep XJ 4.0L 4wd (149k, sounds bad, is a fishbowl in rain, soon to be 
leaving)
1999 E300Dt (139k, would be smoother if the EGR worked fully)
1999 E300Dt (RSN, 105k)

[MBZ] [OT] Of man and machine (silicon)

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, OK Don wrote:

> First, it's hard to separate dispassionate analysis from religious
> fever in any PC vs. Mac discussion. My bias is towards PCs. My
> favorite quote on the question is "A Mac is like a bicycle with
> training wheels that you can't take off". This dates from the DOS 3
> era. There are those of us (mostly Linux users now) who like to fiddle
> with the innards of their PCs, knowingly trading stability for
> experimentation.

Umm I'm not a "mac person" but I picked up a piece of cordwood for cheap 
and its suprisingly capable. OS X (any variant) is unix under the hood 
with an Apple GUI on top. Literally. It is a Mach Kernel with BSD 
trimmings. Dig into "Applications/Utilities/Terminal" and behold the unix 
prompt. You can remote manage it via VNC. It supports full X11 
capabilities. It has no problem at all with multiprocessing.  I was 
sitting there burning CD's while sucking down disk images and surfing the 
net... I don't have a single coaster and did not have a single buffer 
underrun. It just worked

I took a spare pc HDD (IDE) and tossed into it to do a new install (System 
9.2.2 followed by 10.4) and had no problems. I then proceeded to COPY over 
the applications from the old HDD -- I just clicked "Microsoft Office" in 
"Applications" in one drive and dragged it to the other one.  It copied 
it. No registry voodoo. It just worked 

I whipped out my old Nikon D1X and plugged it in-- no drivers. iPhoto 
started up and asked if I wanted to transfer images. I clicked "Yes". No 
driver hassles like I had on the PC. It just worked.

I went to SSH into my UNIX box... oh its already there.

I reached into my box of old memory and pulled out a couple of 256MB 
sticks of PC133. Yep, it took them and gave an imperceptibly quick smile 
as it booted (even faster than before)

When it goes to sleep, tap the mouse and you are back where you left off 
in five seconds.

Shutdown? 30 seconds.

Startup? press the power button and aprox 70 secs from that you will see a 
login screen (with 768MB ram)

Login? Click the user, type the password, press enter. ten seconds later 
everything is up.
 
Oh yeah, its an OLD (circa Jan 2001-July 2001) Power Mac G4 "Digital 
Audio" (Gigabit ethernet) with 2 533MHz CPU's. (The box can be upgraded to 
2 1.8GHz G4's). The HDD in it is an old low-end 20GB Maxtor.  With 
office, a full install of os9 and 10, devtools, iphoto, imovie, etc, it 
is LESS than 50% used. I'm tempted to go to the box store and pick up a 
modern fast 120GB drive and throw at it. Or maybe two and let it mirror 
them--just to see how fast it is.

I'm not a Mac person. I AM a unix person. I do keep a windows machine for 
games. I do know that my FIL's GF has a first generation PowerPC Mac 
(6100?) that was on his desk at college when it first came out (1994?), 
then was at his home for some time, then was given to his grandchildren 
for their games, then they outgrew it and it came back to him, and his GF 
uses it for her papers and such. It has had the memory upgraded once or 
twice, but the HDD is still the same. In fact the OS is the SAME install 
as it had when it left the factory, and thats with a 3 and 5 yr old 
banging on it daily for 2 yrs! 

I would say that is a robust system. I will be upgrading my gaming system 
at some point, but all my non-gaming stuff will be moved onto a similar 
used Mac. I might consider upping the CPU, memory and GFX on the one I 
would use, but it is PLENTY fast with 512MB.

For grins i threw on a SB audigy usb and a "normal" usb mouse. both were 
discovered and just worked without any drivers or fuss. 

I dunno, but this seems an awful lot like how computing SHOULD be... And 
this Mac has only been in my house a day or so. I think it will be staying 
around a while.

(BTW creative does not provide drivers for nor does it support the audigy 
2 nx on a mac--but it works.)

As for trading stability for linux, I think you have it wrong. My firewall 
is linux. it stays up as long as the power is good. I am typing this 
message on an old compaq proliant 7000 (my linux server 
(DNS/DHCP/SMTP/SMB/syslog/ldap etc):

[EMAIL PROTECTED] reames]$ uptime
 20:21:04 up 158 days, 40 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[EMAIL PROTECTED] reames]$

I think we had a pretty long power outage this past summer and the UPS 
went flat. Yeah I had a disk or two fail but I swapped 'em in hot. I know 
that server will get some downtime one of these days since it is still 
running RH9 and should be upgraded to something more modern. (I yanked the 
boot drive out of an old hex-ppro box I had before it and put it in this 
thing with no reinstall or ickyness.)

For stability, I knowingly trade the "convenience" of windows games (Call 
of duty, day of defeat, BF2) for the instability inherent in a windows 
machine.

'Course my house is overkill for network. Multiple dual-band (A/B or A/G) 
Aironet AP1200's (Power over ethernet makes it easy to hide them above 
dro

Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[LarryT]

Are you using the OM on the CD?  If so, it's for a 95 S420 IIRC - bot it's 
not for your car.  If using the OM for your can somethings strange - if the 
light is on the dash there should be a description somewhere.


can you photo it when its lit during prestart?
it must be indicatig some problem
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From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5



Nope - not in the owners manual. The 30 amp fuse is fine. And, the fan
is working normally today! All I did was measure resistance (0.13)
through the 30A fuse!
It must be a loose connection somewhere in the ACC circuitry. This
will be fun to diagnose, if it ever happens again.

On 12/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, it wouldnt.  Not sure what the blinking light would be.  Read the
owners manual, I bet there is something in there about it.



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Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] Low oil pressure?

[barrystark]

Bill -
I guess you have checked the easy stuff. O-rings on the oil filter bolt, proper 
filter, proper oil viscosity? It is also pretty easy to drop the steel portion 
of the oil pan to see if there is loose stuff in there that may be being sucked 
into and blocking the the oil pump inlet screen. Case in point, when I dropped 
the pan on my SD to replace the turbo return line grommet, I found some old 
bits of gasket, from a previous repair, stuck to the oil screen. I don't think 
the bearing wear is so much a factor of age as the total miles. Especially if 
the oil has been changed regularly.

Barry


 Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> The Westerbeke oil pressure reads:
> Start up diesel 65 psi
> 20 minutes operation 30 to 40 psi and drop to 20 psi a few times at 2200 rpm
> Throttle back psi go up to 50 to 55 then drops down to the 30 to 40 psi 
> range
> Change oil sender and unit two years ago and no problem for that year. 
> Last year oil pressure varied like above...he check sender and unit and 
> said it's seems O.K. resistance ...
> Westerbeke rep said bad bearings given the age of the motor..1978
> 
> Bill
> 1981 300 TD
> p.s. needs to check sender, unit, wiring etc
> 
> bearings
> 
>  goes from 30 to 50 psi
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > .3 is min factory spec at idle.
> >
> > Mitch Haley wrote:
> >   
> >> "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>> If its above .3 bar its OK.
> >>>   
> >> I'm no Westerbeke expert, but .3 idle sounds low, and .3 cruising
> >> sounds deadly. I think it's normal to put a .5 bar low oil pressure
> >> alarm switch on an Atomic 4 gasser.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] WOW, I don't think I have seen a 115 this rusty

[Ed Booher]

On 12/20/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well it is from Northern MA. There and upstate NY use a lot of salt. Roads
are white all winter-not from snow but salt.


There is a guy who lives near my parents that owns a 108 that I swear
has enough rust in it that if you gave a good hard shove on the trunk,
the top of the car would seperate from the bottom and slide off the
chassis.

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Re: [MBZ] Apple

[Ed Booher]

On 12/26/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

favorite quote on the question is "A Mac is like a bicycle with
training wheels that you can't take off". This dates from the DOS 3
era. There are those of us (mostly Linux users now) who like to fiddle
with the innards of their PCs, knowingly trading stability for
experimentation.


You do realize that today's Mac are 100% UNIX, right? The kernel is
Open Sourced (under the BSD License in the form of Darwin), the
language (Objective-C) was set to revolutionize UNIX when it was NeXT,
and it is apparently still a great language. There is an Open/GNU
Objective-C Kit for Linux, Linux Journal did an article about it a
year or so back. You change only a couple of lines of code, and the
exact same [rest of it] code compiles on OS X and runs the same way.
The code that needs to be changed was, if I remember correctly,
pertaining to window calls and widget use. So you tell it to call an
Aqua window instead of an X window and boom, same code, same app.

Also, you can cross compile and use pretty much *all* GNU/Open Source
software on the Mac as well. They include an X11 subsystem so you can
use code that can't make Aqua core calls. I've been using a Mac to
bounce X11 clients off of from my server farm since OS X 10.0 (though
in those days the X11 server wasn't included by Apple)

With respect to "fiddling with the innards" Macs have been industry
standard for years! Ever since *before* the Return of the Steve they
have included things like SCSI, IDE/ATA, PCI. Just because you can't
take a supposedly PC card, plug it into the PCI slot of a Mac, and
have it work immediately is a *driver* issue. I've seen cards, with
Open Source/Linux drivers go fully Mac compatible with code porting,
and if you are using a Linux OS on the Mac, whether PPC or Intel, then
it's as simple as a recompile. *All* PCI cards work in *all* PCI
compliant Macs. Just because you can't see what you expect in the OS
doesn't mean the card isn't initialized.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] [OT] Aftermarket parts question - Isuzu

[John W. Reames III]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> Worldpac (I'm looking at www.thepartsbin.com - Rusty doesn't sell Japanese
> car parts, does he?) lists four different possibilities, made by Adler, PBR,
> Raybestos, and Sachs.  Prices range from $57 to $103.  Which should I get?

*shhh* I bought toyota corolla parts from him -- exhaust, struts, brake 
pads, couple other things.

If worldpac stocks it he will get it :) 
-j.

Re: [MBZ] Low oil pressure?

[Mitch Haley]

Worn bearings will not make the pressure fluctuate up and down. 
Bad wiring on an electric gauge will. 
Flaky bypass/relief valve could too. 
If the pressure rises when you decrease RPMs, I would wonder
about oil level not being ideal.

Re: [MBZ] Apple stores

[Ed Booher]

On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Which is why I drive a Mercedes.

RLE


Yeah, yeah. Rub it in.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Apple stores

[Ed Booher]

On 12/26/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

who are those mac people at compUSA anyway?  i've been pretty underwhelmed
by their mac "specialists"


The Mac specialists at CompUSA are, I believe, hired through a
Outsourcing/Consulting firm. They are not on the CompUSA payroll, and
I believe they are also not directly on the Apple payroll. I talked to
one of them about it once before and all he would tell me was that he
did not work for CompUSA, but not who "signed his checks" so to speak.
(At the time I was interested in seeing if there was an opening in the
gig.)

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Apple

[OK Don]

Use what works for you - everyone is different. Just don't get
religious about it! It's only a computer.

On 12/26/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

i don't use explorer

true, i don't do much, but it seems too much for every pc i've ever used


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Re: [MBZ] Apple

[Ed Booher]

On 12/26/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

but they still ship with a stinkin single button mouse. How they can design 
something as cool as their current mouse without having a second button baffles 
and annoys me.


Incorrect, all Macs currently ship with a two button mouse with scroll
wheel. (Except the Mac Mini which sells as a BYOKMD - Bring Your Own
Keyboard Mouse Display, but the Mighty Mouse can be added as a Build
to Order option.) In fact, I believe all Intel Macs have shipped with
the Mighty Mouse, so they have been shipping a two button scroll wheel
mouse for over a year now.

However, the laptops still need you to Option Click for button two,
though on a laptop your hands are on the keyboard with a finger on the
trackpad, so that's not as hard to deal with.

Ed

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[MBZ] Low Mileage, Low Priced 240D 4 Sp.

[John Peterson]

I guess if you can put up with the slow car this is a good deal.  Seems 
like a good price for the miles and lack of rust.  Wish I could get a 
look at it myself but I'm in Rhode Island and it is in Florida.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330066534545

No affiliation etc.

Happy NEW YEAR to all

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 84k
Kingston RI
Neighbor (nearly) to Dwight Giles of the Quahog Co.

Re: [MBZ] Christmas light in the '90 300d 2.5

[OK Don]

Nope - not in the owners manual. The 30 amp fuse is fine. And, the fan
is working normally today! All I did was measure resistance (0.13)
through the 30A fuse!
It must be a loose connection somewhere in the ACC circuitry. This
will be fun to diagnose, if it ever happens again.

On 12/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, it wouldnt.  Not sure what the blinking light would be.  Read the
owners manual, I bet there is something in there about it.



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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Low oil pressure?

[Bill Gallagher]

The Westerbeke oil pressure reads:
Start up diesel 65 psi
20 minutes operation 30 to 40 psi and drop to 20 psi a few times at 2200 rpm
Throttle back psi go up to 50 to 55 then drops down to the 30 to 40 psi 
range
Change oil sender and unit two years ago and no problem for that year. 
Last year oil pressure varied like above...he check sender and unit and 
said it's seems O.K. resistance ...

Westerbeke rep said bad bearings given the age of the motor..1978

Bill
1981 300 TD
p.s. needs to check sender, unit, wiring etc

bearings

goes from 30 to 50 psi

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

.3 is min factory spec at idle.

Mitch Haley wrote:
  

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:



If its above .3 bar its OK.
  

I'm no Westerbeke expert, but .3 idle sounds low, and .3 cruising
sounds deadly. I think it's normal to put a .5 bar low oil pressure
alarm switch on an Atomic 4 gasser.


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