[MBZ] OT Coleman lanterns

[Fmiser]

Nice going Curt!

I hope you are satisfied with yourself.

See what you got me into?

At the auction Saturday I bought a pair of 220F lanterns for
$3.  Both are in pretty rough shape, but one had an intact
globe (that alone worth what I paid).  So now, thanks to you, I
have a lantern - and any old device like that needs spare parts
too, right?  Now I have spare parts.

But the one looks like maybe it could be made to work.  Just a
bit of rust at the font fill...

--   Philip 


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Dieselhead]

Well, I doubt you went around looking for red and black trucks. 
For most of us, the color is just incidental.   People who buy new 
cars however, do have a choice of color.


I don't make the profiles about the meaning of colors.  I am just 
reporting on what the experts say



Ok, so I guess because I wear black printed shirts most of the time,
have a black truck, and a red truck, I must have no balls and be
looking for attention... Really see the correlation there...

Walt



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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Dieselhead]

Peanut oil, but the tolerances have been a lot tighter for the past 
30-70 years  and pumps made to run on petro diesel do not necessarily 
run at max efficiency on used veg oil..



Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
"don't use WVO team.

What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?

There will be a test later, so answer carefully.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon wrote:


 I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do before
 and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but
 haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet.

 Max
 --
 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 andrew strasfogel  wrote:

 *I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing
 vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one
 buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable rust
 buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*

 On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java 
 wrote:

 >
 > Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
 >>
 >
 > About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
 >> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
 >>
 >
 > Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
 >
 > WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
 > isn't low-risk.
 >
 > Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
 > roulette!
 >
 > In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
 > but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
 > see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
 > fluid.
 >
 > _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
 >
 > -- Philip
 >
 > Philip,
 >
 > you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i
 wasn't
 > very clear
 >
 > The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt the
 > injectors with new monark nozzles
 >
 > and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
 > only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
 >
 > thanks,
 >
 > xx rick
 > Rick Hawkins
 >
 > www.javaphoto.com
 > www.javacycles.com
 > LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
 > www.ricktheprinter.com
 >
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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[Dieselhead]

Oh, excuse me everyone,  I firgit that only woger is entitled to an 
opinion or experience.


Of course where the sun never shines and it rains all the time a 
black car is just fine.





 > ...Black cars may be ok in parts of AK. MB always has several nice

 colors.  Choosing black is just dumb...


Jeez.. reading your posts is like standing at the municipal sewer outfall.
The turds just keep rolling by, endlessly.

RLE




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Re: [MBZ] schwarz/rot

[Dieselhead]

My 2001 C320 was Obsidian Black metallic and my 2008 C300 is Barolo Red
Metallic. Both kept in show condition year round.

In fact, since the annual MBCA car show is next month at the Nile Country
Club, I may just stupify the list with what I am about to do to prepare the
C300 for the event.

RLE
 >





I rest my case.  Woger made my case perfectly

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[MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

[Craig]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:04:44 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> OTOH, have you noticed the (hopefully waning) popularity of aggressive
> looking passenger trucks that so many people commute to work in? Always
> nice to look in the mirror at a stop light and see your back window
> filled with a grille that looks like it wants to eat you.

There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
marque and model.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] pick em ups

[RELNGSON]

...However, for many of us, there is a limit to the number of vehicles that
we can have. My truck is overkill for my quick commute to work but is
needed for the trips to the lake to haul materials since we are trying
to renovate out there and to launch and retrieve boats. etc...

Those that use them as trucks such as yourself are not the subject of my 
comment. I have been seeing of late quite a few new big pickups out my way. 
Double cab AWD big V8 engined Fords etc. Just perfect for our four snow days 
yearly.

Just tonight after a Costco run I caught up to a gigantic metallic red 
dually Dodge, huge fender flares, big chromed wheels and a huge chromed nose. 
No 
hitch out back. One occupant. So wide I couldn't see around it and it was 
about four mph under the limit just to impede the flow.

Profiling, most likely.

RLE
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[MBZ] W124 sway bar bracket

[Peter Frederick]

Going to be putting ANOTHER sway bar bracket on the 300D -- these  
things are driving me nuts.  Only put one set on the old car,  
originals broke at 250,000 miles or so.  Not a problem with the  
replacements, but both of them, now used on other cars, have broken,  
and I'm on the second NEW set on the "new" 300D.


I'm tempted to have the new one magnifluxed to make sure it's not  
cracked before I put it on.  They have all, excpet this one, broken  
off either at the 90 degree bend at the top or through the punched  
bolt hole, which is why I want to check for pre-existing cracks.   
They appear to have been hardened, since they seem to be spring  
steel, and improper handling or punching can easily crack them in  
manufacture.


This one broke off below the top  botl hole, didn't find it until I  
changed the bushings on Sunday -- a buddy helping me was concerned  
he'd broken the bracket off (he's new at wrenching, payment for  
replacing his hoses and front/rear end work on his jeep).  Snapped  
the separate part in half too, probably from fatigue, but was still  
attached.  Very noisy.


I'm sure the bone rattling rail road tracks I have to cross with a  
long line of impatient factory workers behind me doesn't help, but I  
drove the old 300D on the same streets for years without breaking any.


The only thing I think I've learned is that the separate half MUST be  
bolted down flat and hard, both ends, otherwise there is a stress  
concentration through the bolt hole with the bolt acting as a lever.   
That may explain the ones that crack across the bolt hole, but not  
the last two, which broke elsewhere.


I personally think this is a design defect.  In an attempt to get  
smoother ride a solid mount was replaced by a flexible spring steel  
strap, and hard usage (the terrible roads around here) cause  
excessive breakage.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Peter Frederick]

Yes, coal dust was the first fuel attempted.  However, none of his  
engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly  
realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.


It's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Peter Frederick]

Gel point is vastly different for #2 diesel and vegetable oil -- #2  
has a pour point as low as -30F, and I doubt veggie oil, particularly  
used veggie oil, will be fluid enough to pour at 10 F, let along  
-30.  Not all #2 has a pour point that low, but it can.


There are two larger problems, fhe first of which is viscosity.   
Vegetable oil is much more viscous than diesel oil, and I strongly  
doubt it will flow well enough below say 50F to start the engine.   
Certainly at 0F, most of it will be frozen solid, or pour like cold  
molassas, and no start.


Second, it produces both varnish and hard ash, since it contains  
phopholipids  and is a tricarboxylic acid ester of glycerol.  All  
that oxygen results in oxidative hardening, accelerated by heat, so  
you are going to gum up all the operating parts.  The hard ash will  
score the pintles in the injectors, causing operational problems, and  
can damage rings, too.


This is to say nothing of the presence of trace amounts of protein  
and carbohydrates from being used for cooking,  along with various  
cracking, hydrocracking, and oxidation products and other food  
residue.  All of this goes away when you make biodiesel (which has  
it's own problems).


Poor combustion, for whatever reason, will result in gummed up rings,  
stuck lifters, and hard sludge in bad places, this is just the nature  
of vegetable oil.


Veggie oil also has different lubricity than diesel fuel, and may  
cause serious lack of lubrication problems -- I'm not sure of that,  
but it is definitely different.


Water in the tank will instantly grow masses of slime -- veggie oil  
in the presence of water is a food feast for multiple  
micro=organisms, and you will have a mess very, very quickly once you  
get some condensation in the tank (the first day after you fill it,  
most likely).  Diesel fuel is toxic to most of the bugs, but veggie  
oil is pure food.  Plugged filters are a chronic problem, and can  
happen suddenly.


Mixtures work better than pure waste oil, and in order to actually  
reliably operate the car safely, you must start and stop on diesel  
fuel  and heat the veggie oil until it has the same viscosity as  
diesel fuel.  Otherwiise, you may end up fuel starved and deeply  
inconvenient times, such as when merging into heavy traffic.  Mad  
mojo, having the car quit suddenly then.


Peter, who puts waste oil in his car once in a while, but will never  
try to run on pure veg oil.






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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Rolf]

Diesel first designed it with coal dust in mind.

-Rolf

On 7/18/2011 9:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I recently read the history of Diesel by Nitske and he doesn't seem to follow the "traditional 
wisdom" that Diesel "intended" the diesel engine to run on peanut oil and "free the 
farmer".

In fact Nitske indicates that many fuels were attempted before settling on what 
we now call diesel fuel...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:34:29 -0700
From: G Mann
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
"don't use WVO team.

What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?

There will be a test later, so answer carefully.

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Re: [MBZ] colors

[WILTON]

I absolutely don't want a black interior.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Fmiser" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] colors



Mitch Haley wrote:



WILTON wrote:
> Probably lotsa white and silver for the last few years.

I was thinking W140/W210 era. Way too many black examples of
both of those, at least in my region.
I don't know if I've ever seen a black W115 or W123 in person,
and the number of black W108/W116 isn't excessive.


I have a black W123.  I'm _not_ Dan Penoff!  I don't really care
if my car is spotless - so long as it runs right.  And from my
experience, the dark interior is more of a heat problem than a
black exterior.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Curt Raymond]

I recently read the history of Diesel by Nitske and he doesn't seem to follow 
the "traditional wisdom" that Diesel "intended" the diesel engine to run on 
peanut oil and "free the farmer".

In fact Nitske indicates that many fuels were attempted before settling on what 
we now call diesel fuel...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:34:29 -0700
From: G Mann 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
"don't use WVO team.

What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?

There will be a test later, so answer carefully.

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You going to pull it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
> 
> Walt
> On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
>> are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
>> with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
>> on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
>> well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
>> didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
>> 
>> On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>> Damn, that's sad...
>>> 
>>> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
>>> 
>>> Walt
>>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
 Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
 and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
 loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
 drivetrain also.
 
 --
 Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
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 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[G Mann]

Since Mercedes and Bosch didn't "re-invent" the diesel engine they only
optimized it to accept schedule 52 diesel as the common fuel there seems to
be an element of confusion.

Vegetable oil when supplied to the Bosch IP and a Mercedes engine at
viscosity and temperature that will permit acceptable droplet size at
injectors is accepted quite well.
Mercedes engines operate quite nicely on Vegetable oil, and function
normally.
Amazingly, Bosch Injection Pumps like it as well.

Like all diesel fuels it has a gel point.  That gel point is higher than
dino diesel and allowance must be made for that by thinning viscosity,
either by temperature increase or dilution.  Same for cold schedule 52
diesel, only the gel point is a few degrees lower.


On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> Coal dust, then peanut oil.
>
> What did Mercedes and BOSCH design this engine to run on though?
>
> There will also be a test.
>
> Walt
> On Jul 18, 2011 8:34 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:
> > Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to
> the
> > "don't use WVO team.
> >
> > What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?
> >
> > There will be a test later, so answer carefully.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon  >wrote:
> >
> >> I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do
> before
> >> and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but
> >> haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet.
> >>
> >> Max
> >> --
> >> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >>
> >> andrew strasfogel  wrote:
> >>
> >> *I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine
> killing
> >> vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D
> one
> >> buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable
> rust
> >> buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
> >> >> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
> >> >
> >> > WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
> >> > isn't low-risk.
> >> >
> >> > Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
> >> > roulette!
> >> >
> >> > In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
> >> > but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
> >> > see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
> >> > fluid.
> >> >
> >> > _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
> >> >
> >> > -- Philip
> >> >
> >> > Philip,
> >> >
> >> > you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i
> >> wasn't
> >> > very clear
> >> >
> >> > The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt
> the
> >> > injectors with new monark nozzles
> >> >
> >> > and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much 
> it
> >> > only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
> >> >
> >> > thanks,
> >> >
> >> > xx rick
> >> > Rick Hawkins
> >> >
> >> > www.javaphoto.com
> >> > www.javacycles.com
> >> > LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
> >> > www.ricktheprinter.com
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.


...plus 25 cents a pound?

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Max Dillon]

You go right ahead and get yourself an engine designed by Ruddy, the engine in 
my car (and probably the one in yours) was designed and built to use #2 diesel.

So, does your state law allow you to drive on public roads without paying your 
fare share of fuel tax?

Max
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G Mann  wrote:

Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
"don't use WVO team.

What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?

There will be a test later, so answer carefully.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do before
> and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but
> haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet.
>
> Max
> --
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>
> andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>
> *I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing
> vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one
> buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable rust
> buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> >>
> >
> > About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
> >> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
> >>
> >
> > Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
> >
> > WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
> > isn't low-risk.
> >
> > Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
> > roulette!
> >
> > In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
> > but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
> > see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
> > fluid.
> >
> > _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
> >
> > -- Philip
> >
> > Philip,
> >
> > you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i
> wasn't
> > very clear
> >
> > The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt the
> > injectors with new monark nozzles
> >
> > and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
> > only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > xx rick
> > Rick Hawkins
> >
> > www.javaphoto.com
> > www.javacycles.com
> > LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] colors

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
> > Probably lotsa white and silver for the last few years.
> 
> I was thinking W140/W210 era. Way too many black examples of
> both of those, at least in my region.
> I don't know if I've ever seen a black W115 or W123 in person,
> and the number of black W108/W116 isn't excessive.

I have a black W123.  I'm _not_ Dan Penoff!  I don't really care
if my car is spotless - so long as it runs right.  And from my
experience, the dark interior is more of a heat problem than a
black exterior.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Jaime Kopchinski]

You crush my heated seats yet?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all, and a 115
> 240D also complete with its drivetrain.  Got another 115 loaded up and ready
> to go when they open complete with its drivetrain also.
>
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Walt Zarnoch]

Coal dust, then peanut oil.

What did Mercedes and BOSCH design this engine to run on though?

There will also be a test.

Walt
On Jul 18, 2011 8:34 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:
> Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
> "don't use WVO team.
>
> What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?
>
> There will be a test later, so answer carefully.
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>
>> I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do
before
>> and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but
>> haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet.
>>
>> Max
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>>
>> *I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine
killing
>> vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D
one
>> buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable
rust
>> buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> > About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
>> >> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
>> >
>> > WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
>> > isn't low-risk.
>> >
>> > Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
>> > roulette!
>> >
>> > In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
>> > but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
>> > see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
>> > fluid.
>> >
>> > _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
>> >
>> > -- Philip
>> >
>> > Philip,
>> >
>> > you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i
>> wasn't
>> > very clear
>> >
>> > The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt
the
>> > injectors with new monark nozzles
>> >
>> > and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
>> > only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > xx rick
>> > Rick Hawkins
>> >
>> > www.javaphoto.com
>> > www.javacycles.com
>> > LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
>> > www.ricktheprinter.com
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[G Mann]

Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the
"don't use WVO team.

What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally?

There will be a test later, so answer carefully.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do before
> and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but
> haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet.
>
> Max
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>
> *I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing
> vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one
> buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable rust
> buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> >>
> >
> > About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
> >> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
> >>
> >
> > Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
> >
> > WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
> > isn't low-risk.
> >
> > Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
> > roulette!
> >
> > In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
> > but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
> > see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
> > fluid.
> >
> > _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
> >
> > -- Philip
> >
> > Philip,
> >
> > you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i
> wasn't
> > very clear
> >
> > The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt the
> > injectors with new monark nozzles
> >
> > and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
> > only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > xx rick
> > Rick Hawkins
> >
> > www.javaphoto.com
> > www.javacycles.com
> > LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
> > www.ricktheprinter.com
> >
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Bob Rentfro]

Has Regina done some wicked voodoo on you? Who are you and what have you
done with Kaleb?

Bob R,
On Jul 18, 2011 4:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
> are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
> with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
> on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
> well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
> didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
>
> On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> Damn, that's sad...
>>
>> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
>>
>> Walt
>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>>> drivetrain also.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] colors

[RELNGSON]

> ...Wilton posteth: Probably lotsa white and silver for the last few 
> years...
> 
Closer to it. The predominant color for all models is silver of which there 
are several variations. Maybe 15% black and a few white. New cars for stock 
are ordered by the new car sales manager who doesn't have much imagination. 
The previous manager told me about four years ago that if he ordered "a 
color" meaning red/blue/green it would likely be hard to sell. BTW, black 
inside is almost universal and the cars that have Tex as standard will have it.

So, when an impulse buyer wants a new car this week, he is going to have to 
take something that's been sitting out back for a while. And it's the black 
Tex cars that the magazine road testers complain about as cheap looking, 
which they are. Depressing, even. My dealer has a LOT of 2011 W204s on the lot 
and with the facelifted 2012s now appearing, there are going to be a lot of 
big discounts plus some going to the auction.

I'm not going to drive something for six or seven years that's going to 
bring on buyer's remorse the week after delivery.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I'm getting rid of 116 123 and older 126 I will keep 124 140 a little 115 and 
maybe later model 126

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:
> 
>> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing.  Actually these cars are
>> pretty well picked over.  I have been posting some 126 SD's with great
>> rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines on CL, no
>> takers.  Fixing to send them off to the crusher as well.  I have sent
>> at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher, didnt even bother
>> removing the turbo and IP.
> 
> So are you just getting out of the used parts business, or moving
> forward a couple of generations?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing.  Actually these cars are
> pretty well picked over.  I have been posting some 126 SD's with great
> rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines on CL, no
> takers.  Fixing to send them off to the crusher as well.  I have sent
> at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher, didnt even bother
> removing the turbo and IP.

So are you just getting out of the used parts business, or moving
forward a couple of generations?

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Walt Zarnoch]

In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.

Walt
On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
> are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
> with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
> on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
> well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
> didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
>
> On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> Damn, that's sad...
>>
>> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
>>
>> Walt
>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>>> drivetrain also.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing.  Actually these cars 
are pretty well picked over.  I have been posting some 126 SD's 
with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines 
on CL, no takers.  Fixing to send them off to the crusher as 
well.  I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher, 
didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.


On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Damn, that's sad...

Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...

Walt
On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
drivetrain also.

--
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99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
http://www.okiebenz.com


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 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Walt Zarnoch]

Damn, that's sad...

Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...

Walt
On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
> drivetrain also.
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[Allan Streib]

Rich Thomas  writes:

> I said "sell diesels" not have.  Or that is what I meant anyway.  Is
> that (still) true?

You can sell diesels in Cali but the emissions requirements are so
strict that it's hard to justify.  Special California emissions
equipment is not unheard of of course, but it seems that manufacturers
today are more reluctant to do this.

I'm speaking specifically in regards to the Subaru Boxer diesel, and the
quote by Kenichi Yamamoto, who lead the development of this engine: 

  At present, the engine will not meet California's stringent air
  emissions regulations. "We would only introduce the car in the U.S. if
  it was legal in every state," says Yamamoto. "Meeting the California
  legislation is very hard and very expensive. We are researching it,
  but there is no timetable." Subaru estimates that fitting the
  particulate filter needed to make the engine fully compliant would add
  around $1,500 to the price of the car.

I assume other makers are facing similar obstacles.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/legacy/2008/european-first-drive-2008-subaru-legacy-boxer-diesel.html?print=all

-- 
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[MBZ] The crush victims of today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all, 
and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain.  Got another 115 
loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its 
drivetrain also.


--
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 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] NIB NWT om617.95x

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> "as fitted to Hagglunds BV206"
>
>  https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bandvagn_206
>
>
Looks like a cross between a Pinzgauer and a Gama Goat.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] a W108 250SE Was: Oh, Jaime!...

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Now thats a nice setup!

Too bad the interior is so worn... I'd guess this car had 100,000+ km on it
before being imported and having a new mph speedo installed.

Typical car dealer with a dream price set.  This car is worth money, but not
that much money.

In a related story, I came across a '67 250SE sedan park at a gas station on
the way to my parent's house this weekend.   Initial inspection showed a
very clear chassis and body, no real rust, a 1984 inspection sticker, and
enough crud inside and out to suggest it had been sitting a very long time.
 Rear end slammed on the ground thanks to a collapsed hydro-compensator.  I
managed (after a struggle, long story short) to get the owner of the car and
station on the phone, when he proceeded to tell me how perfect and original
the car was and how its looking for "real money" for it when its done fixing
and detailing it.  I made plans to see it again and get the keys to see the
engine and interior.  I also explained to him (nicely) how his attempts to
"fix" the fuel injection and rest of the car are just causing more harm than
good and I have no interest in a hacked up car.  I want the car as-is, not
as a used-car-lot special.

So today I inspected it closer.  Interior all original mb-tex in good shape.
 Wood all there with no damage.  Sunroof.  LMKU Becker Grand Prix (!).
 Heater levers moved.  A bit of mold, but nothing alarming.  A small hole in
the head liner that suggested a mouse nest.  No manuals or documents.

Engine was a bit of a sad story of clown-mechanics.  Injection pump was
missing... the owner had some story of getting a "new"one from california
which wasn't right, and another from Germany which was very expensive.  If
he only knew who to send the original to for rebuilding!  Engine was
otherwise all there, washer bag still hanging, etc.  AC stuff all in place
and connected.

The (clown) mechanic on staff there explained to me how they replaced the
fuel pump and have pressure up to the injection pump now, but nothing to the
injectors.  He asked if I wanted the car, as if he had no real attachment or
interest in it.  I explained its real value and gave him my card... if the
owner will be realistic, I'll take it.  Book value is $3700-8000.

I've been looking for an early W108 with a sunroof for years now.  This one
would need loads of work, but will be a great car in the end.

Lets see what happens.

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[Max Dillon]

I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do before and 
after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but haven't 
found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet. 

Max
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andrew strasfogel  wrote:

*I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing
vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one
buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable rust
buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

>
> Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>>
>
> About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
>> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
>>
>
> Wow! You do like to gamble!!!
>
> WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
> isn't low-risk.
>
> Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
> roulette!
>
> In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
> but you also used ether to start the car. That implies that you
> see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
> fluid.
>
> _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
>
> -- Philip
>
> Philip,
>
> you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i wasn't
> very clear
>
> The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt the
> injectors with new monark nozzles
>
> and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
> only took a tiny PHHHTTT of ether
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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[MBZ] Oh, Jaime!

[Mitch Haley]

230CE 5sp:

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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[Mountain Man]

mbforme wrote:
> It doesn't get any better than this.

Okay...
We gotta watch our p's & q's now.
We have just been introduced to the CIA/HS agent amongst us.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] macho vehicles?

[Mountain Man]

Randy who likes trucks wrote:
> ...I hope the
> truck is safer than a small economical sub compact in most accident
> situations...

I don't drive for accident situations.
I drive.
Accident situations happen.
I can't care about what never happens.
If/when it does - it does.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] colors

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

What I find fascinating is that in the heyday of the classic108,109, and 111
Mercedes glory the most popular color for US exports was BROWN.


The first mbz to really catch my attention was a '70 or '71 280SL California 
that my employer at the time had for sale. I don't know the official name of the 
color, but it was a medium brown.


this color, but it was a LHD coupe with US headlamps, so I know it wasn't this 
car:
http://bringatrailer.com/2010/11/11/brit-spec-bankruptcy-find-1968-mercedes-benz-280sl/



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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[Rich Thomas]

I said "sell diesels" not have.  Or that is what I meant anyway.  Is 
that (still) true?


--R

On 7/18/11 3:55 PM, John Freer wrote:

In the past week we've been told that you can't have diesel cars in
CA,


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Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

[Mountain Man]

Dieselhead wrote:
> I have had new MB Factory parts from the dealer fail immediately too. Not
> motor mounts, but other things.

The mounts you took from here should be decent.
They were new put in from dealer about 9 years ago.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

[Mountain Man]

Jaime wrote:
> I buy enough parts that I have two dealers flighting for my business with
> excellent pricing.

I'm gonna price my parts thru Jaime from now on.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] colors

[andrew strasfogel]

What I find fascinating is that in the heyday of the classic108,109, and 111
Mercedes glory the most popular color for US exports was BROWN.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:22 -0400, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>
> > I don't know if I've ever seen a black W115 or W123 in person, and the
> > number of black W108/W116 isn't excessive.
>
> There is a black W123 that I see from time to time locally.  It's a pure
> gloss black, no metallic to it at all.  And it's not really all that
> glossy at this point either.
>
> Allan
> --
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Randy Bennell]

Well, I think I will chime in here too!

I like white cars BUT, I also think some cars look better in some colors 
than other cars etc. For example, my 115 300D looks good in red. I don't 
think it would look nearly as good in white and I can't say I have ever 
seen a black one or would want a black one. However, the orthodontist in 
my office building here has a new black MB (cannot recall exactly what 
it is - maybe s500?) and it looks very nice in black.  I see red 
Corvettes and like them. Not sure I would want a white Corvette. Some 
cars just look better in some colors to my eye at least.


Randy


On 18/07/2011 3:24 PM, WILTON wrote:
Well, I usually wear a light blue shirt and khaki pants and drive a 
white MB; 'sometimes a black MB; 'wonder what all of that makes me.  
'Gonna try not have another black car and rather not have 'nother 
whiteun - maybe, light blue.  'Even had a cactus green MB 240D for 15 
years.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Walt Zarnoch" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - 
$3500 (Nassau, Long Island)



Ok, so I guess because I wear black printed shirts most of the time,
have a black truck, and a red truck, I must have no balls and be
looking for attention... Really see the correlation there...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't think it is tongue in cheek. My second MB was black because I 
didn't
care what color it was. I will never own another black car again. 
There is
no such thing as a clean black car, because before you finish 
cleaning it,

you can see dust on the parts you already cleaned.

Terribly hot in the summer.

I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars. it is much better
than black.

According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars and
clothes)
are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to look at
me" This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys without
mufflers. LIttle people with little or no manhood who are desperate for
attention.

Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.

MB always has several nice colors. Choosing black is just dumb.


Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun.
Yuck.

Hendrik
who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek

Michael Canfield wrote:


1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New
battery,
Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row 
seats,

All
features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and
durable
Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.

516-567-9969 
?





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Re: [MBZ] colors

[Allan Streib]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:22 -0400, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> I don't know if I've ever seen a black W115 or W123 in person, and the
> number of black W108/W116 isn't excessive.

There is a black W123 that I see from time to time locally.  It's a pure
gloss black, no metallic to it at all.  And it's not really all that
glossy at this point either.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[WILTON]

Well, I usually wear a light blue shirt and khaki pants and drive a white 
MB; 'sometimes a black MB; 'wonder what all of that makes me.  'Gonna try 
not have another black car and rather not have 'nother whiteun - maybe, 
light blue.  'Even had a cactus green MB 240D for 15 years.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Walt Zarnoch" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 
(Nassau, Long Island)



Ok, so I guess because I wear black printed shirts most of the time,
have a black truck, and a red truck, I must have no balls and be
looking for attention... Really see the correlation there...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't think it is tongue in cheek. My second MB was black because I didn't
care what color it was. I will never own another black car again. There is
no such thing as a clean black car, because before you finish cleaning it,
you can see dust on the parts you already cleaned.

Terribly hot in the summer.

I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars. it is much better
than black.

According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars and
clothes)
are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to look at
me" This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys without
mufflers. LIttle people with little or no manhood who are desperate for
attention.

Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.

MB always has several nice colors. Choosing black is just dumb.


Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun.
Yuck.

Hendrik
who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek

Michael Canfield wrote:


1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New
battery,
Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats,
All
features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and
durable
Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.

516-567-9969 
?


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Re: [MBZ] colors

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

Probably lotsa white and silver for the last few years.


I was thinking W140/W210 era. Way too many black examples of both of those, at 
least in my region.
I don't know if I've ever seen a black W115 or W123 in person, and the number of 
black W108/W116 isn't excessive.
Oh, yes, I don't see very many 126 coupes, but those I do see for sale around 
here are much too black, worse than ten year old white F250 diesels.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] schwarz/rot

[RELNGSON]

> ...Ok, so I guess because I wear black printed shirts most of the time,
> have a black truck, and a red truck, I must have no balls and be
> looking for attention... Really see the correlation there...
> 
Disagree with dieselkopf at your peril.

My 2001 C320 was Obsidian Black metallic and my 2008 C300 is Barolo Red 
Metallic. Both kept in show condition year round. 

In fact, since the annual MBCA car show is next month at the Nile Country 
Club, I may just stupify the list with what I am about to do to prepare the 
C300 for the event.

I do agree with no more black cars, however.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] colors

[WILTON]

Probably lotsa white and silver for the last few years.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] colors



...Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't have a
choice?..


Wrong on all counts. Drive by any dealer's new car lot and see.

RLE




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Re: [MBZ] macho vehicles?

[Randy Bennell]

On 18/07/2011 2:45 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...OTOH, have you noticed the (hopefully waning) popularity of aggressive
looking
passenger trucks that so many people commute to work in? Always nice to
look in
the mirror at a stop light and see your back window filled with a grille
that
looks like it wants to eat you...


The pickup truck set, being mostly blue-collar, can't afford to feed them
anymore. Using one as a commute vehicle is pretty damned stupid since the
beds are empty 95% of the time.

RLE



However, for many of us, there is a limit to the number of vehicles that 
we can have. My truck is overkill for my quick commute to work but is 
needed for the trips to the lake to haul materials since we are trying 
to renovate out there and to launch and retrieve boats.
I lack parking space at home and am reluctant to incur more insurance 
costs on an annual basis or I might also have a Honda Civic or 
something  comparable for my around town driving. I have my old 300D 
which I do use a bit around town in the summer but unless I am prepared 
to give it up, I am pretty much stuck with using my truck on a regular 
basis too.


I could keep an old truck at the lake for launching and retrieving boats 
(I did do that for a bit a few years ago)  but then, that would mean 
having another vehicle licenced and insured that was driven very little.


Lots of options but not all of them attractive and so I drive the truck 
and consider the extra fuel to be at least partly life insurance as I 
hope the truck is safer than a small economical sub compact in most 
accident situations - (that should give a few people something to 
respond to!).


Randy who likes trucks



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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[John Freer]

Right on Roger!

In the past week we've been told that you can't have diesel cars in
CA, MB wagons look like Ford Escort wagons, been asked to lie about
our residency to submit a no vote, people that drive black cars are
dumb and a spammer keeps posting without any intervention.

It doesn't get any better than this.
John

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:35 PM,   wrote:
>> ...Black cars may be ok in parts of AK. MB always has several nice
>> colors.  Choosing black is just dumb...
>>
> Jeez.. reading your posts is like standing at the municipal sewer outfall.
> The turds just keep rolling by, endlessly.
>
> RLE
>>
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Re: [MBZ] colors

[Mitch Haley]

relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't have a 
choice?..



Wrong on all counts. Drive by any dealer's new car lot and see.


I was talking past tense, and asking what the present situation was.

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Re: [MBZ] macho vehicles?

[RELNGSON]

> ...OTOH, have you noticed the (hopefully waning) popularity of aggressive 
> looking
> passenger trucks that so many people commute to work in? Always nice to 
> look in
> the mirror at a stop light and see your back window filled with a grille 
> that
> looks like it wants to eat you...
> 
The pickup truck set, being mostly blue-collar, can't afford to feed them 
anymore. Using one as a commute vehicle is pretty damned stupid since the 
beds are empty 95% of the time.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sneakers

[RELNGSON]

> > unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with
> > blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really*
> > dark),
> 
Washington State Patrol has lots of these, some station wagons. Ordinary 
plates also, not the usual WSP plates on the marked cars.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Walt Zarnoch]

Ok, so I guess because I wear black printed shirts most of the time,
have a black truck, and a red truck, I must have no balls and be
looking for attention... Really see the correlation there...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't think it is tongue in cheek.  My second MB was black because I didn't
> care what color it was.  I will never own another black car again.  There is
> no such thing as a clean black car, because before you finish cleaning it,
> you can see dust on the parts you already cleaned.
>
> Terribly hot in the summer.
>
> I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars.  it is much better
> than black.
>
> According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars and
> clothes)
>  are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to look at
> me"   This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys without
> mufflers.  LIttle people with little or no manhood who are desperate for
> attention.
>
> Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.
>
> MB always has several nice colors.  Choosing black is just dumb.
>
>> Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun.
>> Yuck.
>>
>> Hendrik
>> who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek
>>
>> Michael Canfield wrote:
>>>
>>> 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
>>> condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New
>>> battery,
>>> Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats,
>>> All
>>> features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and
>>> durable
>>> Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.
>>>
>>> 516-567-9969 ?
>
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Re: [MBZ] self appointed experts....

[RELNGSON]

> ...Black cars may be ok in parts of AK. MB always has several nice 
> colors.  Choosing black is just dumb...
> 
Jeez.. reading your posts is like standing at the municipal sewer outfall. 
The turds just keep rolling by, endlessly.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] colors

[RELNGSON]

> ...Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
> Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't have a 
> choice?..
> 
Wrong on all counts. Drive by any dealer's new car lot and see.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[alanduff]

Thanks for the replies. I cant make out any ID but it does have a recessed 
circle and uses cotter keys to hold the pens in. Based on this it should be a 
Bendix.
I've reconsidered rebuilding the calipers and replacing hoses due to the 
expense. Will just (hopefully) replace the screw, bleed the system and check 
the vacuum at the booster. Maybe this will be all it takes to get good brakes.

Alan Duff





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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Bob Rentfro]

hey List Momma...can't you 86 this clown?

Bob R

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Chase Kaufman wrote:

> It’s the key to your new life...
> http://humbertomoura.com.br/inbox.php?wuCID=39u9
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Fmiser]

> aland...@knology.net wrote:

> Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know
> if they are ATE or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear
> one I have off. Does anyone know how to tell which they are?

On the outside (opposite the hose) it is cast into the round
part that is the cylinder casing.

The ATE is very hard to read.  Bendix has a recessed circle with
the Bendix name.  So if it's not clearly Bendix, it's probably
ATE.

My memory also suggests that the Bendix uses tiny "hitch pins"
clips to hold the pad retainer pins in.  Those pins are on the
inboard side, so technically are visible with the wheel on,
though being able to look up in that dark hole isn't always easy.

The ATE uses a spring tension ring that is invisible when
installed.  These are the ones that are just hammered in or
out.  No additional retainer.

I'm not certain that only Bendix uses the clips.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] NIB NWT om617.95x

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:

I want the Hagglunds BV206


I think the BV2062 would be way cool.
Probably classed as a 'destructive device' by the BATFE though.

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Re: [MBZ] NIB NWT om617.95x

[Rich Thomas]

I want the Hagglunds BV206

 --R

On 7/18/11 12:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

"as fitted to Hagglunds BV206"

   https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bandvagn_206

I wonder if the cam or anything else is different compared to a passenger-car 
OM617.

Allan


On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:08 -0400, "Rolf"  wrote:

No clue on cost or shipping costs

http://exmod-uk.com/equip.php?ID=268

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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

[andrew strasfogel]

*I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing
vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one
buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic.  Such examples of driveable rust
buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.*

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

>
> Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>>
>
> About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
>> fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.
>>
>
> Wow!  You do like to gamble!!!
>
> WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
> isn't low-risk.
>
> Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
> roulette!
>
> In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
> but you also used ether to start the car.  That implies that you
> see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
> fluid.
>
> _Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!
>
> --  Philip
>
> Philip,
>
> you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i wasn't
> very clear
>
> The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt the
> injectors with new monark nozzles
>
> and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much  it
> only took a tiny  PHHHTTT of ether
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Crush cars

[andrew strasfogel]

I doubt it.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> It will be this fall. Hopefully you and your bride can wait that long.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:41 AM, "andrew strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>
> > Let me know exactly when are you coming to pick it up so I can line up
> the
> > second one.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Cool. Save two.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 17, 2011, at 9:51 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> no but I have some 82 and 83's
> >>>
> >>> On 7/17/2011 8:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>  Got any '85 300d's ?
>  
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[MBZ] starting on ether

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Rick Hawkins Java wrote:



About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting
fluid even when the temps for 50F or more.


Wow!  You do like to gamble!!!

WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this
isn't low-risk.

Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Russian
roulette!

In summary, you seem to be saying "Unheated WVO works fine." -
but you also used ether to start the car.  That implies that you
see the WVO risk to be less than or equal to using starting
fluid.

_Way_ to risky for _my_ engines!

--  Philip

Philip,

you seem to have taken part of my epistle OUT of context or maybe i  
wasn't very clear


The no start condition was resolved 6 or 7 months ago after i rebuilt  
the injectors with new monark nozzles


and ether CAN be used without damage if you don't use very much   
it only took a tiny  PHHHTTT of ether


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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www.javacycles.com
LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
www.ricktheprinter.com

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Re: [MBZ] NIB NWT om617.95x

[Allan Streib]

"as fitted to Hagglunds BV206"

  https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bandvagn_206

I wonder if the cam or anything else is different compared to a passenger-car 
OM617.

Allan


On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:08 -0400, "Rolf"  wrote:
> No clue on cost or shipping costs
> 
> http://exmod-uk.com/equip.php?ID=268
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Battery ? Alternator?

[Randy Bennell]

Ended up changing out the battery for a new one and then changing out 
the alternator for another new one. The existing battery seems to be ok 
now that I have trickle charged it for a longer time. Will find out as I 
intend to put it into a boat. The alternator was not putting out what it 
should. The windings look burnt too. Covered under warranty but a bit of 
a pain to install. My mechanic son did it in a hour but it would have 
taken me longer. Have to do it from underneath and remove the ac 
compressor and hang it out of the way in order to get to the alternator.


Fingers crossed that this one is better.

Randy

On 15/07/2011 11:32 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

13.2v at idle is probably OK, especially if there are other loads on the
battery, like AC or a cooling fan.  But after 10-20 minutes at highway speed
the voltage should approach 14+v unless the battery needed significant
charging.  By the way, 12.5v is about normal for a fully charged battery
that has been off the charger for a while.

Scott

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Subject: [MBZ] OT - Battery ? Alternator?

My elder son is experiencing issues with his 2000 Nissan Maxima.

the battery light comes on and then other miscellaneous lights come on
in the dash - ck engine etc.

The engine runs rough. Sounds like it may stall.

Happened during the evening 2 nights ago and again last evening.

I picked him up this morning and took him too work. Pulled the battery
and took it home to charge.
Took it back at lunchtime and re-installed it. Battery by itself read
about 12.5V.
Once in the  car and after being started - read about 13.2V accross the
terminals.
My recollection is that it should be about 14.2 V if the alternator is
putting out good current.

The battery is one of the ones with the "eye" and it is not glowing like
it should. Does that indicate a bad battery or perhaps just a low
battery that needs more charging?
Unfortunately, it is also sealed so I cannot just dip the tester in and
see what it tells me.

The alternator was replaced on May 14 of this year but that does not
mean it could not be going bad.

Any great ideas on testing to confirm whether it is alternator or the
battery itself?

Hopefully, I can get my younger son to come by and have a look at it
tomorrow. He is a mechanic so I'll put him to work on fixing it if it
needs the alternator swapped again.

Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Crush cars

[Rick Knoble]

It will be this fall. Hopefully you and your bride can wait that long. 

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:41 AM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:

> Let me know exactly when are you coming to pick it up so I can line up the
> second one.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
>> Cool. Save two.
>> 
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 17, 2011, at 9:51 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> no but I have some 82 and 83's
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2011 8:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
 Got any '85 300d's ?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Allan Streib]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:40 -0700, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
> > unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with 
> > blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* 
> > dark),
> 
> Probably a drug seizure they repurposed.  Be pretty funny to
> 'bust' them for too-dark windows!  (Many States have laws on
> this, I can't imagine that VA doesn't.)

Probably a Dodge Charger, it's available in a police version.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Crush cars

[Randy Bennell]

Hey Kaleb

A while back, there was discussion on here about plates to adapt oil 
filters to remote or some such idea.


I asked if it was possible to change the older style oil filter over to 
the newer style - ie - change from the top rather than crawl under and 
get oil all over you.

It was suggested that it could be done.

Would you happen to have the oil filter setup from the block outward for 
the newer style engine that you would be prepared to part with for a 
reasonable sum?
My car is a 76 115 300D. If I could convert to the newer style, I would 
do it.


If I had the oil filter setup, then I could compare and see what might 
be needed to make a swap.


Anyone else with good ideas on this, please chime in.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Russ Williams]

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On 7/18/2011 9:18 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:

Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if they are ATE 
or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I have off. Does anyone know 
how to tell which they are?

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Dieselhead]

I can't remember what was on the 124 wagon, but they were NOT Teves, 
so they may have been Bendix.  The ATE calipers are what I call the 
"standard" brake pad for MB, VW and more.  Two little pins hold in 
the retainer spring, and pads.  The pads come out the front (on the 
front axle) with the caliper mounted.


Any other brand of caliper uses a different system, and i believe all 
others have to have the caliper removed, or part of the caliper 
removed to get to the pads.





There is some sort of little stamp, maybe 11/2" dia or so on these. 
I cannot remember which stamp is which though.


--R

On 7/18/11 10:18 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:
Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if 
they are ATE or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I 
have off. Does anyone know how to tell which they are?


Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN


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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Dieselhead]

Don't know about bendix, but Teves always has a small ATE logo cast 
into it somewhere.



There is some sort of little stamp, maybe 11/2" dia or so on these. 
I cannot remember which stamp is which though.


--R

On 7/18/11 10:18 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:
Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if 
they are ATE or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I 
have off. Does anyone know how to tell which they are?


Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[andrew strasfogel]

I wonder - could that have been a faux police car driven by a serial killer
or trainee?

D.C. DMV strictly regulates automobile tinting.  I had to remove the tinting
from the 300TD I purchased in VA in order to pass inspection..


On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:09 AM, LarryT  wrote:

> Speaking of black cars - a few days ago I saw the most intimidating
> unmarked Va. state police car I've ever seen or imaging in my live!
>  Reminded me of Darth Vadar on wheels!  Looked like a new Dodge sedan
> painted black with blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was
> *really* dark), black wheels and all normally bright work like grill and
> bumpers were black also.  Of course the blue flashing light on the dash
> added to the intimidation effect.
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> -Original Message- From: Dieselhead
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:38 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500
> (Nassau, Long Island)
>
>
> Don't think it is tongue in cheek.  My second MB was black because I
> didn't care what color it was.  I will never own another black car
> again.  There is no such thing as a clean black car, because before
> you finish cleaning it, you can see dust on the parts you already
> cleaned.
>
> Terribly hot in the summer.
>
> I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars.  it is much
> better than black.
>
> According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars
> and clothes)
>  are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to
> look at me"   This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys
> without mufflers.  LIttle people with little or no manhood who are
> desperate for attention.
>
> Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.
>
> MB always has several nice colors.  Choosing black is just dumb.
>
> Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun. Yuck.
>>
>> Hendrik
>> who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek
>>
>> Michael Canfield wrote:
>>
>>> 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
>>> condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New
>>> battery,
>>> Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats,
>>> All
>>> features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and
>>> durable
>>> Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.
>>> 516-567-9969 ?>> action=view¤t=DSCN0350.**jpg
>>> >
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Russ Williams]

Alan,

The Pins that hold the pads in on ATE's have little spring clips on the end.
Bendix Pins have cotter pins that hold them in.

Russ W

On 7/18/2011 9:18 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:

Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if they are ATE 
or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I have off. Does anyone know 
how to tell which they are?

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Michael Canfield]

I was travelling through South Carolina and got lost.  I flagged down a
police officer by pulling up behind him and flashing my headlights.  He
pulled over and remained in his car.  I walked up to the car and politely
asked for directions.  He was obviously relieved and said "oh, is that all
you need?  I thought you were going to place me under citizens arrest for
running through that stop sign back there.".  I was shocked, thanked him for
the directions and jokingly told him I would let him off with just a warning
this time.

Mike
On Jul 18, 2011 11:02 AM, "G Mann"  wrote:
> " Bust a heavily armed cop in a blacked out cruiser" This I gotta
see...
> where do I buy tickets for that one?. Hmmm... maybe a TV special on
> "Worlds funniest videos" or "Jackass" but I don't see a good end to
> officer "friendly" in handcuffs doing the perp walk up the front steps at
> the station house by "Joe Citizen"..
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>> unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with
blacked
>>> out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* dark),
>>>
>>
>> Probably a drug seizure they repurposed. Be pretty funny to
>> 'bust' them for too-dark windows! (Many States have laws on
>> this, I can't imagine that VA doesn't.)
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Mitch Haley]

G Mann wrote:

" Bust a heavily armed cop in a blacked out cruiser" This I gotta see...
where do I buy tickets for that one?. Hmmm... maybe a TV special on
"Worlds funniest videos"  or "Jackass" but I don't see a good end to
officer "friendly" in handcuffs doing the perp walk up the front steps at
the station house by "Joe Citizen"..


I pulled over a cop once. One of his co-workers had ticketed me for a blown 
headlight the day before. I just came up behind him, cycled my high beams 5-10 
times, and he pulled over. I handed him my 'fixit ticket' and he said he'd take 
care of it for me. 20 years later, I don't think I'd want to try to stop a cop 
after dark and approach his car like that.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:
SWMBO saw one of the Chargers in patrol car form and decided it was way too scary looking. 


Seems to be in line with modern law enforcement attitude.
In too many jurisdictions, 'Protect and Serve' has been replaced by 'Intimidate 
and Rule'. I'm glad my sheriff and state cops haven't gotten into that as much 
as some places have.


Aggressive looking vehicles are just another way of having an imposing or even 
threatening appearance, like black suits and masks for paramilitary SWAT uniforms.


OTOH, have you noticed the (hopefully waning) popularity of aggressive looking 
passenger trucks that so many people commute to work in? Always nice to look in 
the mirror at a stop light and see your back window filled with a grille that 
looks like it wants to eat you.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[G Mann]

" Bust a heavily armed cop in a blacked out cruiser" This I gotta see...
where do I buy tickets for that one?. Hmmm... maybe a TV special on
"Worlds funniest videos"  or "Jackass" but I don't see a good end to
officer "friendly" in handcuffs doing the perp walk up the front steps at
the station house by "Joe Citizen"..

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with blacked
>> out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* dark),
>>
>
> Probably a drug seizure they repurposed.  Be pretty funny to
> 'bust' them for too-dark windows!  (Many States have laws on
> this, I can't imagine that VA doesn't.)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[Rich Thomas]

There is some sort of little stamp, maybe 11/2" dia or so on these.  I 
cannot remember which stamp is which though.


--R

On 7/18/11 10:18 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:

Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if they are ATE 
or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I have off. Does anyone know 
how to tell which they are?

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I doubt you could, they don't have to abide by the law...


I don't know about your state, but in Michigan the only exemptions for emergency 
vehicles involve driving with the emergency beacons turned on. Many other states 
require lights AND siren.
But ask any judge in my county and they'll tell you that cops don't have to obey 
the law, so in effect there are no laws, just department policies governing 
police behavior, because the 'legal' community has chosen to substitute its 
feelings for black letter legislative text.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
When something that's not your front tire hits the ground, you do a 
face plant, and fast.


Tuck and roll!


I was still pedaling hard with my head down, about 20mph, when my FRAME hit the 
pavement. (forks snapped off right at the lower bearings)
My hands must have been about 3" above the road at that point. I did manage to 
hit the right side of my forehead and my right shoulder in sort of a roll, but 
my head hit hard enough to tear muscles in my neck. I had handlebar tape 
embedded in my palms, so my arms must have slowed me down a bit before my head 
touched down. Definitely the sort of crash that would destroy a foam hat and 
convince most riders that the shredded styrofoam saved their life.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Max Dillon]

SWMBO saw one of the Chargers in patrol car form and decided it was way too 
scary looking. I'm sure the effect is heightened if blacked out like you 
describe.

Max
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LarryT  wrote:

Speaking of black cars - a few days ago I saw the most intimidating unmarked 
Va. state police car I've ever seen or imaging in my live! Reminded me of 
Darth Vadar on wheels! Looked like a new Dodge sedan painted black with 
blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* dark), 
black wheels and all normally bright work like grill and bumpers were black 
also. Of course the blue flashing light on the dash added to the 
intimidation effect.

LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: Dieselhead
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 
(Nassau, Long Island)

Don't think it is tongue in cheek. My second MB was black because I
didn't care what color it was. I will never own another black car
again. There is no such thing as a clean black car, because before
you finish cleaning it, you can see dust on the parts you already
cleaned.

Terribly hot in the summer.

I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars. it is much
better than black.

According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars
and clothes)
are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to
look at me" This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys
without mufflers. LIttle people with little or no manhood who are
desperate for attention.

Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.

MB always has several nice colors. Choosing black is just dumb.

>Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun. Yuck.
>
>Hendrik
>who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek
>
>Michael Canfield wrote:
>>1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
>>condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New battery,
>>Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats, 
>>All
>>features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and durable
>>Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.
>>516-567-9969 
>>?;

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Re: [MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Walt Zarnoch]

I doubt you could, they don't have to abide by the law...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with blacked
>> out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* dark),
>
> Probably a drug seizure they repurposed.  Be pretty funny to
> 'bust' them for too-dark windows!  (Many States have laws on
> this, I can't imagine that VA doesn't.)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic

[Jim Cathey]

When something that's not your front tire hits the ground, you do a 
face plant, and fast.


Tuck and roll!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Crush cars

[andrew strasfogel]

Let me know exactly when are you coming to pick it up so I can line up the
second one.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> Cool. Save two.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 17, 2011, at 9:51 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
>
> > no but I have some 82 and 83's
> >
> > On 7/17/2011 8:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> >> Got any '85 300d's ?
> >>
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[MBZ] Darth Vader on Wheels

[Jim Cathey]

unmarked Va. state police car...new Dodge sedan painted black with 
blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* 
dark),


Probably a drug seizure they repurposed.  Be pretty funny to
'bust' them for too-dark windows!  (Many States have laws on
this, I can't imagine that VA doesn't.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

[Jim Cathey]

Rack damper spring? I had to replace it on my '82 with a newer 
version, but

your '92 should atlready have that.

There is no damper on the IP.


The 190D with manual transmission has a damper on the IP.
(Not the rack damper bolt, and actual little hydraulic strut.)
Helps tame the bucking of the car because of the tight coupling
of the drivetrain.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic

[Mitch Haley]

Douglas wrote:
I've done them on my '92 Honda Shadow. The toughest part was the allen 
bolt on the bottom, was Damn tight.


For a reason. If you lose that bolt, (well, you'd have to lose them on both 
forks) your front wheel, lower forks, and brakes can roll on down the road 
without you.


I've never lost a front wheel on a motorcycle, but I have a nice scar on my head 
from breaking a fork on a bicycle 31 years ago. When something that's not your 
front tire hits the ground, you do a face plant, and fast.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] FS W124 crossbars

[Rolf]

$60 + shipping OBO.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic

[Curt Raymond]

Sheesh look at the manual? What kind of fun is that? ;p 

I was lucky in that the bike came with a really nice factory manual. I'll give 
it a look.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:05:51 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

I've done them on BMW.  Not hard at all.  See the manual.  on the /5,
you put it on the centerstand, pull the front wheel, loosen the lock
nut, the the allen screw and drain the fork oil.  Then unscrew the
top cap of each leg, and decompress the spring.  then you take out
the bolt at the bottom, and the bottom leg comes off.  Pop out the
old seal and press in a new one.  assemble in reverse.


>Anybody ever done fork seals? Is it a hard job?
>
>-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[WILTON]

My 91 350SDL is black; 'always looks dirty; 'so hot I can't touch the 
outside when it's sitting in the sun.  'Don't want 'nother blackun.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Canfield" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 
(Nassau, Long Island)




My 83 is black.  Looks nice for about 5 minutes.  Everyone looks at it, I
prefer they not.  Of course folks around here think I am dealing drugs
because I drive a Mercedes.  They just don't get it that I can not afford 
to

drive anything else.
 I prefer navy blue in and out for a 123, very classy.  Maybe an OD green
spray bomb or two will help.  Limo tints might look sharp with OD green
body.

Mike
On Jul 18, 2011 9:54 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

True, most sheeple just buy whatever the stealership sell them. It
is probably dictated by the marketing geniuses at MBUSA.

I can here the sales pitch now. " black Mercedes tells everyone you
have arrived. Do you have a neighbor that is always trying to one up
everyone in the neighborhood? (Sheeple answers yes) Well! Then when
you drive in in your new Black Mercedes, (s)he will have to notice.
Blah blah blah


Dieselhead wrote:


MB always has several nice colors. Choosing black is just dumb.



Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't
have a choice?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500(Nassau, Long Island)

[WILTON]

Was it behind you?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - 
$3500(Nassau, Long Island)



Speaking of black cars - a few days ago I saw the most intimidating 
unmarked Va. state police car I've ever seen or imaging in my live! 
Reminded me of Darth Vadar on wheels!  Looked like a new Dodge sedan 
painted black with blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it 
was *really* dark), black wheels and all normally bright work like grill 
and bumpers were black also.  Of course the blue flashing light on the 
dash added to the intimidation effect.


LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: Dieselhead

Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 
(Nassau, Long Island)


Don't think it is tongue in cheek.  My second MB was black because I
didn't care what color it was.  I will never own another black car
again.  There is no such thing as a clean black car, because before
you finish cleaning it, you can see dust on the parts you already
cleaned.

Terribly hot in the summer.

I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars.  it is much
better than black.

According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars
and clothes)
 are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to
look at me"   This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys
without mufflers.  LIttle people with little or no manhood who are
desperate for attention.

Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.

MB always has several nice colors.  Choosing black is just dumb.

Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun. 
Yuck.


Hendrik
who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek

Michael Canfield wrote:

1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New 
battery,
Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats, 
All
features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and 
durable

Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.
516-567-9969 
?


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Michael Canfield]

My 83 is black.  Looks nice for about 5 minutes.  Everyone looks at it, I
prefer they not.  Of course folks around here think I am dealing drugs
because I drive a Mercedes.  They just don't get it that I can not afford to
drive anything else.
  I prefer navy blue in and out for a 123, very classy.  Maybe an OD green
spray bomb or two will help.  Limo tints might look sharp with OD green
body.

Mike
On Jul 18, 2011 9:54 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> True, most sheeple just buy whatever the stealership sell them. It
> is probably dictated by the marketing geniuses at MBUSA.
>
> I can here the sales pitch now. " black Mercedes tells everyone you
> have arrived. Do you have a neighbor that is always trying to one up
> everyone in the neighborhood? (Sheeple answers yes) Well! Then when
> you drive in in your new Black Mercedes, (s)he will have to notice.
> Blah blah blah
>
>>Dieselhead wrote:
>>
>>>MB always has several nice colors. Choosing black is just dumb.
>>>
>>
>>Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
>>Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't
>>have a choice?
>>
>>Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

[Hans Neureiter]

Rack damper spring? I had to replace it on my '82 with a newer version, but
your '92 should atlready have that.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> There is no damper on the IP.
>
> On 7/17/2011 6:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:
>
>> Did you check the damper on the IP?
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  When I did all the engine work to my 92 300SD I replaced the motor
>>> mounts.
>>>  They never did seem exactly smooth but every time I drive the thing its
>>> worse and worse.  Today I drove it after finding both sets of keys that
>>> have
>>> been lost for a couple of months (one was in the drawer where they were
>>> supposed to be, the other was actually laying in the back seat of the
>>> car)
>>> and the thing just vibrates like crazy at idle like the mounts are
>>> completely colapsed.  WTF?  I have about 350 miles on these mounts,
>>> anybody
>>> ever seen bad mounts straight out of the box?  Should I make Rusty send
>>> me
>>> new ones?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>>  99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>>>  92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>>>  85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>>
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>  92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
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[MBZ] Brake Caliper ID

[alanduff]

Need to rebuild the brake calipers on my '83 300D. Don't know if they are ATE 
or Bendix as I don't find any name on the rear one I have off. Does anyone know 
how to tell which they are?

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



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Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

[LarryT]

there's a good picture of good & bad MMs in the WSM.  if you cannot find it 
let me know -- I think I remember where it was --

BTW, A ruler will help to determine if it has collapsed ...

Larry

-Original Message- 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

They are the same or very similar to the mounts on your 124.  I am
going to have to crawl up under there and look at them I suppose.
I did discover I did not replace the tranny mount when I replaced
the motor mounts so maybe that is it.

On 7/17/2011 8:14 AM, LarryT wrote:
Many have talked about the effects on Rubber and Age - but if your MMs are 
the same as on my 91 300D  they are not the typical rubber mount but more 
of a hydraulic damper with a fluid container inside the metal shell that 
the engine rides on.


Any signs of leakage?

LarryT
91 300D



-Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:47 PM
To: mercedes Mailing List
Subject: [MBZ] New motor mounts bad?

When I did all the engine work to my 92 300SD I replaced the motor
mounts.  They never did seem exactly smooth but every time I drive
the thing its worse and worse.  Today I drove it after finding
both sets of keys that have been lost for a couple of months (one
was in the drawer where they were supposed to be, the other was
actually laying in the back seat of the car) and the thing just
vibrates like crazy at idle like the mounts are completely
colapsed.  WTF?  I have about 350 miles on these mounts, anybody
ever seen bad mounts straight out of the box?  Should I make Rusty
send me new ones?



--
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 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[LarryT]

Speaking of black cars - a few days ago I saw the most intimidating unmarked 
Va. state police car I've ever seen or imaging in my live!  Reminded me of 
Darth Vadar on wheels!  Looked like a new Dodge sedan painted black with 
blacked out windows (I'm sure they were tinted but it was *really* dark), 
black wheels and all normally bright work like grill and bumpers were black 
also.  Of course the blue flashing light on the dash added to the 
intimidation effect.


LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: Dieselhead

Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 
(Nassau, Long Island)


Don't think it is tongue in cheek.  My second MB was black because I
didn't care what color it was.  I will never own another black car
again.  There is no such thing as a clean black car, because before
you finish cleaning it, you can see dust on the parts you already
cleaned.

Terribly hot in the summer.

I don't like white, but I've owned several white cars.  it is much
better than black.

According to the folks that monitor such things, Black and red (cars
and clothes)
 are interchangeable in meaning and the meaning is "I want you to
look at me"   This is the same as people sans nuts who ride harleys
without mufflers.  LIttle people with little or no manhood who are
desperate for attention.

Black cars may be ok in parts of AK.

MB always has several nice colors.  Choosing black is just dumb.


Nice car but the colour is awful, hard to keep clean, hot in the sun. Yuck.

Hendrik
who may or may not have his tongue in the cheek

Michael Canfield wrote:

1992 Mercedes-Benz 300 TE Wagon - Black/Black, 135K miles, Excellent
condition inside and out, Very well maintained, New radiator, New battery,
Upgraded CD audio with Ipod auxiliary input, Moonroof, Third row seats, 
All

features operate properly as they should, Very safe, reliable, and durable
Mercedes Wagon. SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. PRICE IS FIRM.
516-567-9969 
?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic

[Dieselhead]

I've done them on BMW.  Not hard at all.  See the manual.  on the /5, 
you put it on the centerstand, pull the front wheel, loosen the lock 
nut, the the allen screw and drain the fork oil.  Then unscrew the 
top cap of each leg, and decompress the spring.  then you take out 
the bolt at the bottom, and the bottom leg comes off.  Pop out the 
old seal and press in a new one.  assemble in reverse.




Anybody ever done fork seals? Is it a hard job?

-Curt


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[MBZ] NIB NWT om617.95x

[Rolf]

No clue on cost or shipping costs

http://exmod-uk.com/equip.php?ID=268

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Re: [MBZ] WVO 300TD and 300D Turbo

[Douglas]

That is interesting to read thanks.
I personally would not take the time to do this.

Douglas


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Hawkins Java 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:41 AM 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Subject: [MBZ] WVO 300TD and 300D Turbo 


Folks

It's interesting to listen to the WVO and biodiesel discussions. This  
would have been heresy a few years ago, but 4 buck diesel has softened  
you people's hearts!


My PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that i've been running a 300TD (1982) on WVO  
for about the last 5 years. The car is unmodified. In my experience,  
the initial problem was all the petro diesel crud in the tank. The WVO  
cleans that out. Removing and cleaning tanks is probably the best way  
to start.


On a 300TD you can drain the tank and remove and clean the strainer  
easily at any time that you have low (a few gallons) of fuel in the  
tank. I do that probably every 6 months on the 300TD. On a 300D it's a  
little harder since the fuel supply line is in the center of the  
strainer, but it's still not too bad, just messier.


At any rate, i run 100% WVO down to temps of about 42 F (which is a  
lot of the time down here in north Georgia). If it's colder, i blend  
with petro diesel. A 50/50 mix will start and run at temps of say,  
down to about 35F and colder than that i sometimes add 1 gal RUG (reg  
unl gas) to a full tank.


I've not been stranded.

In the colder months, it's not uncommon for me to have to change the  
clear prefilter on the fuel line, but i generally don't change the  
spin on fuel filter any more often than every year or year and a half.


I've driven the 300TD this way for probably 85,000 miles. About 10k  
miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting fluid even when the  
temps for 50F or more. All the glow plugs, etc were good. I finally  
rebuilt the injectors with new monark nozzles at a cost of only about  
$100 and some time.


As to the cost benefit ratio, the 300D turbo car (an extremely clean,  
nice running 1984 that i bought for our 17 year old daughter) only  
cost $1650. Remember this is a rust free georgia car!!  In 8 months  
she's probably driven it 5000 miles. at 4 gals per 100 miles that's  
200 gals of diesel at $4x200=$800 if my math is right. The scrap value  
of the car is $450 more or less, now, so this is pretty cheap driving!!


It's a problem getting enough WVO these days. We only have a couple of  
restaurants that supply us, but i'm not paying for it. I'm about to  
advertise with Craig that i'm willing to buy nice clean WVO for  
something like 50 cents or more per gal.


We filter by pouring the oil thru 55 gallon barrel top filters that  
are maybe 10 or 20 micron. Then we settle for a week or two and drain  
off settled out water, fat, etc  and then we pump it through a 5  
micron bag filter inside a filter housing. It's pretty clean, but  
could always be cleaner.


To add to the mid, i just bought a lovely 1992 isuzu NPR truck. This  
is a 14 foot box, cab over truck such as most furniture stores have.  
It has a 4 cylinder indirect injection engine with a Kiki (licensed by  
Bosch) pump. It seems Isuzu made and direct injection engine up till  
about 91 then changed the head and added prechambers making it  
indirect  until about 98 and then went back to direct injection in 99,  
i think. Their newer trucks are all direct and the newest stuff is  
quite electronically controlled.


I was lucky to get this clean truck for $2500  it's probably worth  
$5000 now since we fixed the AC and added 4 new tires (CL $200 for a  
like new set of 4 ...they are same 16 inch tires as F250 or something,  
so common).


The next project is to build a 2 tank heated WVO system which i'll do  
as soon as i find a nice tank of say 20 gals for petro diesel.


Feel free to email me directly or call me 1 pm to midnite or later 706  
540-3285 if you want to chat about this.


As for the time investment, i laugh every time i load eight   5 gal  
jugs in my car for a longish trip, realizing that they would cost  
twenty bucks

EACH if they were stinky petro diesel!!

My 2 cents worth  your results may vary and if you choose to do  
what i do, you do it at your own risk!


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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www.javacycles.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 MERCEDES BENZ 300TE WAGON - 7 PASSENGER - $3500 (Nassau, Long Island)

[Dieselhead]

True, most sheeple just buy whatever the stealership sell them.  It 
is probably dictated by the marketing geniuses at MBUSA.


I can here the sales pitch now.  " black Mercedes tells everyone you 
have arrived.  Do you have a neighbor that is always trying to one up 
everyone in the neighborhood?  (Sheeple answers yes)  Well! Then when 
you drive in in your new Black Mercedes, (s)he will have to notice. 
Blah blah blah



Dieselhead wrote:


MB always has several nice colors.  Choosing black is just dumb.



Do the dealers still order 50% of their stock in black?
Or am I wrong and it's MBUSA that did that and the dealers didn't 
have a choice?


Mitch.


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