Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
The modified C-Clamp tool works just fine, we've replaced about six sets now for our local indy mechanic with no trouble. Had to beef it up a lot though. We are considering the proper tool if we keep doing the job, it works better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Now that is very interesting. I would actually consider buying one of those 250s, that is amazing mpg from a e class, which is 50 times the car of a stupid Prius. On 5/25/2014 11:57 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/web-originals/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Now that is very interesting. I would actually consider buying one of those 250s, that is amazing mpg from a e class, which is 50 times the car of a stupid Prius. It'll have to be a 2014 if you want 45mpg hwy. The 2013 is a e350 and rated 32mpg hwy. I guess the bluetick isn't as efficient as the CDI was. Wonder what kind of mpg you'd get from a 2.1L with ten year old CDI technology? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
Despite what you paid for your car, fixing any car properly requires tools, time, and good information, in addition to the parts. There is an old expression, there is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes. Either you pay upfront for a car that has been well cared for, or you pay after for repairs. Doing your own work will save a lot of money, but to keep these cars running, money is still required. However, you will pay far less than the car payment and insurance that goes with a new car! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On May 25, 2014 6:44 PM, mjones...@hushmail.com wrote: Any way to make your own tool with a pipe? This is a $500 car. I don't want to spent $150 on tools. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
People buy these cars for $500 then do not want to spend any money on them, that is why they end up at the crusher. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Despite what you paid for your car, fixing any car properly requires tools, time, and good information, in addition to the parts. There is an old expression, there is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes. Either you pay upfront for a car that has been well cared for, or you pay after for repairs. Doing your own work will save a lot of money, but to keep these cars running, money is still required. However, you will pay far less than the car payment and insurance that goes with a new car! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On May 25, 2014 6:44 PM, mjones...@hushmail.com wrote: Any way to make your own tool with a pipe? This is a $500 car. I don't want to spent $150 on tools. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Guy I know regularly exceeds 45 mpg in his E350. He drives with a very light foot, but gets far better than the advertised mileage. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
I bet you could get 50 in the e250 Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Guy I know regularly exceeds 45 mpg in his E350. He drives with a very light foot, but gets far better than the advertised mileage. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
Or they end up at Okie Acres! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On May 26, 2014 11:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: People buy these cars for $500 then do not want to spend any money on them, that is why they end up at the crusher. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Never done one, think I need to on my 140. Do you just pull the whole shaft then replace it? How does it come off? Ever since I pulled the engine to replace that rod and head gasket I have had driveshaft vibration that is sometimes there, sometimes not at all. I quit driving it because last week I started getting a metallic rattle as well that sounded like a heat shield or something rattling but when I checked everything seems tight. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
What are the modifications? Because of the ball joint being set in at an angle, I don't see how a regular press can work well. On May 26, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The modified C-Clamp tool works just fine, we've replaced about six sets now for our local indy mechanic with no trouble. Had to beef it up a lot though. We are considering the proper tool if we keep doing the job, it works better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
Exactly, then I have to fix them or they end up crushed, same result. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Or they end up at Okie Acres! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On May 26, 2014 11:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: People buy these cars for $500 then do not want to spend any money on them, that is why they end up at the crusher. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Happy Memorial Day
Hope everyone is enjoying a beautiful day. Thanks to all my fellow veterans for their sacrifice. One definition of a veteran: someone who signed a blank check to his/her country, which read payable in full at any time for any amount up to and including life itself. Glad my check was never cashed for that amount! Far too many were... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Rusty's quadruple bypass surgery
I'll never forget when I purchased an AC compressor for a 1985 300CD from Rusty back in '99. The tech installed it, but it didn't work. Rusty not only replaced the part but credited me for the labor to R/R the defective unit - no questions asked! What a guy. :) On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:16 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We are all sorry to hear that he had the heart attack, but are glad to hear that's he's almost mended! Best wishes to him and his family. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: For those who are unaware, Rusty had a heart attack on 28 March and a quadruple bypass on April 3rd. He has been mending since then and now, except for coughing and sneezing, he feels great. He goes back to work next Tuesday (27 May) and is so looking forward to it. Craig -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Meade Dillon wrote: Guy I know regularly exceeds 45 mpg in his E350. He drives with a very light foot, but gets far better than the advertised mileage. The E250 got 40 mpg with Road and Track employees at the wheel, including a run up to the top speed of a Prius. Imagine what it would do with your friend driving it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
IMO these were the most telling comments on the trial: The earlier comment on differences between diesel fuel and gasoline are worth repeating. A gallon of diesel fuel typical releases about 15% more thermal energy than a gallon of gasoline when burned. So comparing gallons of diesel to gallons of gasoline when measuring efficiency really is comparing apples to oranges, in spite of the authors' claims otherwise. On a 'mile per unit of thermal energy' basis, the Prius won. On a 'miles per dollar of fuel' basis, the Prius won, although the E250 would have won that category in Europe due to tax differences between US and EU. That said, I've owned 6 vehicles with VW diesel engines, and liked them a lot. Prius not in my top 10 desirable vehicles. ... I've put over 200,000 miles on my two VW diesels over the past few years. My Passat get close to 50 MPG on the highway and Sportwagen, with its roof rack, around 45. And they are fun to drive. I did test drive a Prius and to be honest, would rather ride a bus than drive that thing. . Gerrywhose 2 123 diesels will likely last him the rest of his life. On 5/26/2014 12:57 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/web-originals/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Happy Memorial Day
Amen. Me, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:47 AM Subject: [MBZ] Happy Memorial Day Hope everyone is enjoying a beautiful day. Thanks to all my fellow veterans for their sacrifice. One definition of a veteran: someone who signed a blank check to his/her country, which read payable in full at any time for any amount up to and including life itself. Glad my check was never cashed for that amount! Far too many were... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
I haven't done it either (but need to). The only thing I can add is to ensure the front and back parts of the shaft go back together in exactly the same splines as originally assembled or you'll have an imbalance problem. So marl them unless there is an indexing mark already there. And for all I know this may not apply to a 140. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support Never done one, think I need to on my 140. Do you just pull the whole shaft then replace it? How does it come off? Ever since I pulled the engine to replace that rod and head gasket I have had driveshaft vibration that is sometimes there, sometimes not at all. I quit driving it because last week I started getting a metallic rattle as well that sounded like a heat shield or something rattling but when I checked everything seems tight. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Purists may not like this suggestion, but what I normally do before taking any driveline apart is to use a spray paint can and make a line down the joint from one shaft to the other. If one side has an orange stripe and the other does not, it is difficult to put it together backwards. On 26/05/2014 11:17 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I haven't done it either (but need to). The only thing I can add is to ensure the front and back parts of the shaft go back together in exactly the same splines as originally assembled or you'll have an imbalance problem. So marl them unless there is an indexing mark already there. And for all I know this may not apply to a 140. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Never done one, think I need to on my 140. Do you just pull the whole shaft then replace it? How does it come off? Yes - usually the bearing and the support come separately, you press (hammer) the new bearing into the new support, re-assemble as it came apart (noting which way the support faced) and keeping the two halves of the shaft aligned so the same splines go together. If you haven't done so before now, it's also a good time to replace the flex disks - since you've pulled them off already. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
When I put the engine back in I had the vibration which was odd I thought as it did not vibrate before, so I replaced the front flex disk, made no difference. What was even more strange is sometimes it vibrates and sometimes it doesn't, and it almost seems temp dependent on when it does it. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 12:15 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Never done one, think I need to on my 140. Do you just pull the whole shaft then replace it? How does it come off? Yes - usually the bearing and the support come separately, you press (hammer) the new bearing into the new support, re-assemble as it came apart (noting which way the support faced) and keeping the two halves of the shaft aligned so the same splines go together. If you haven't done so before now, it's also a good time to replace the flex disks - since you've pulled them off already. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Could be a transmission mount, too. Does it vibrate only on acceleration? Rear flex disk could be bad too, although that usually won't cause much vibration until it spits out a chunk or two. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
I did this job on a W115 240D the other day... It was fairly easy. Mark the front and rear parts of the shaft as mentioned... I take a long straight edge and run a line with a wax pencil across the two. Pull the whole shaft, then separate it off the car. I was able to knock the old bearing out by supporting the carrier and gently knocking the end of the drive daft (with a plastic faced dead blow hammer). Reinstallation was done carefully with a wide flat punch. It turned out the bearing was not fully seated in the carrier. Clown-mechanicery. One bolt on each of the flex discs were loose too. Very loose. Theres a torque spec for those bolts, and the lock nuts should be renewed on principle. Make sure you take this into consideration. Good luck, Jaime On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Never done one, think I need to on my 140. Do you just pull the whole shaft then replace it? How does it come off? Ever since I pulled the engine to replace that rod and head gasket I have had driveshaft vibration that is sometimes there, sometimes not at all. I quit driving it because last week I started getting a metallic rattle as well that sounded like a heat shield or something rattling but when I checked everything seems tight. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
I bet... I drove a 4matic E250bt a few times and managed nearly 40mpg with out even trying. Awesome car. Jaime On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I bet you could get 50 in the e250 Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Guy I know regularly exceeds 45 mpg in his E350. He drives with a very light foot, but gets far better than the advertised mileage. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. --R On 5/26/14 12:04 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: IMO these were the most telling comments on the trial: The earlier comment on differences between diesel fuel and gasoline are worth repeating. A gallon of diesel fuel typical releases about 15% more thermal energy than a gallon of gasoline when burned. So comparing gallons of diesel to gallons of gasoline when measuring efficiency really is comparing apples to oranges, in spite of the authors' claims otherwise. On a 'mile per unit of thermal energy' basis, the Prius won. On a 'miles per dollar of fuel' basis, the Prius won, although the E250 would have won that category in Europe due to tax differences between US and EU. That said, I've owned 6 vehicles with VW diesel engines, and liked them a lot. Prius not in my top 10 desirable vehicles. ... I've put over 200,000 miles on my two VW diesels over the past few years. My Passat get close to 50 MPG on the highway and Sportwagen, with its roof rack, around 45. And they are fun to drive. I did test drive a Prius and to be honest, would rather ride a bus than drive that thing. . Gerrywhose 2 123 diesels will likely last him the rest of his life. On 5/26/2014 12:57 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/web-originals/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Rich Thomas wrote: They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. I like some of the in-car conversations: Prius slow down! I've got my foot on the floor and can't keep up on this hill. E250bt: Mine just downshifted into 6th gear and is turning almost 2000 rpm. I still can't hear the engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
All my mounts (motor, transmission) were replaced before this, too. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
Maybe one of the pros will weigh in on this but here's what I found: I needed to remove all the brake stuff from the knuckle, I needed to pop the upper ball joint tapered shaft from the knuckle to swing the knuckle out enough to clear the tool that pops out the lower ball joint tapered shaft from the lower control arm). The knuckle needed to be removed completely and held inverted in a big vice to drive out the lower ball joint. The knuckle re-curves back over the centerline of the ball joint and this blocks pressing in the new BJ with anything simple. The pipe tool I bought/used was cut out in a way that lets the vertical part of the knuckle run inside the pipe. As I understand it, the c-clamp tool is used inverted such that the tapered post of the BJ goes through the hole in the bottom of the C-clamp with no adapters on that end. This requires removing the rubber grease boot to the clamp presses directly on the body of the BJ. Then you reinstall the rubber boot. A picture makes this clear but I don't have one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Today's Undertaking
The right side of the R129 had a tick, so I figured one of the cam oiler tubes had lost an end cap. Scored a set of the OE aluminum oiler tubes with new O rings from someone at Benzworld, got the seals and chain guides a couple of weeks ago at the dealer. Did both sides along with new spark plugs while I was in there. Found a tube on the front cylinder on the passengers side missing an end cap as expected. No others missing, fortunately. Got everything buttoned up and it still ticked. Dang it! Took it for a drive around the block and ticking disappeared. Now to head over to Ace/Radio Shack to find a switch for the shop vac Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
I use a Dremel Moto Tool and a pointed grinding bit to make small indentations on many parts that do better when put back together the same way. Very little metal is removed so there is no balance problem. Then I use a touchup stick from FLAPS and put a drop of paint in the indents. The indents will always be there even if the paint is gone. Gerry On 5/26/2014 12:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Purists may not like this suggestion, but what I normally do before taking any driveline apart is to use a spray paint can and make a line down the joint from one shaft to the other. If one side has an orange stripe and the other does not, it is difficult to put it together backwards. On 26/05/2014 11:17 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I haven't done it either (but need to). The only thing I can add is to ensure the front and back parts of the shaft go back together in exactly the same splines as originally assembled or you'll have an imbalance problem. So marl them unless there is an indexing mark already there. And for all I know this may not apply to a 140. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Center punch works too. Make punch marks that match and they will remain. On 26/05/2014 2:21 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I use a Dremel Moto Tool and a pointed grinding bit to make small indentations on many parts that do better when put back together the same way. Very little metal is removed so there is no balance problem. Then I use a touchup stick from FLAPS and put a drop of paint in the indents. The indents will always be there even if the paint is gone. Gerry On 5/26/2014 12:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Purists may not like this suggestion, but what I normally do before taking any driveline apart is to use a spray paint can and make a line down the joint from one shaft to the other. If one side has an orange stripe and the other does not, it is difficult to put it together backwards. On 26/05/2014 11:17 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I haven't done it either (but need to). The only thing I can add is to ensure the front and back parts of the shaft go back together in exactly the same splines as originally assembled or you'll have an imbalance problem. So marl them unless there is an indexing mark already there. And for all I know this may not apply to a 140. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - The Wall
On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation's greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm's way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, but the conflict divided the country like nothing else since the Civil War. The tragedy is best illustrated by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the black granite wall in Washington, DC, which has etched into it more than 58 thousand names of the real heroes of the war. Members of their families are also heroes who still suffer from the perpetual absence of their loved ones who have never returned. Thousands of children have grown up never knowing their fathers and grandfathers, and thousands of children and grandchildren of the victims have never been born and never will be. Many families have waited 45 years and more not knowing the fates of their lost loved-ones, and many will never know. The suffering continues. To get a proper feel for this tragedy and to help us better understand and to remember, every American should visit the Memorial, study those names etched into it and think very seriously about how they got there. Let me quickly review some of the events and policies that put them there, starting with the French, who have had a strong influence and presence in the areas of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam since the mid 1800's. For many years, the area was even known as French Indochina. During WWII, the area was captured and occupied by the Japanese. After WWII, the French tried to reassert control, but meanwhile, a Communist insurgency led by Ho Chi Minh had gained strong influence, and a civil war erupted. The United States began to provide military aid to the French in Vietnam in 1950, but the Communist forces defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, and Viet Nam was divided into North and South Vietnam along a demilitarized zone just south of the 17th parallel with a Communist government in the North and a government friendly to the United States in the South. South Vietnam immediately began to ask the United States for support against Communist influence and insurgency from the North - the first being given in 1955. The insurgency in the South was originally conducted by local forces friendly to the North and were known as Viet Minh (also Viet Cong). Later, many North Vietnamese troops were also directly involved. As the insurgency increased, the United States gradually increased aid to South Vietnam, including military supplies, equipment and military advisors working closely with the South Vietnamese Army and Air Force. By late 1962, I was living in Georgia as an Air Force lieutenant on a B-52 combat crew. There I spent about a third of my time on alert with B-52's loaded with nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moment's notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union. By 1963 and '64, I began to see articles in the Atlanta Constitution about American military advisors being killed in Vietnam. This was very disturbing to me. I could so easily remember the stalemate that dragged on for years in Korea without a resolution only 10 to 12 years or so before. I was afraid that the conflict in Vietnam would get bogged down into the same type of indecisiveness. I felt, that, because of the way that it was going to be conducted, i. e., piecemeal and haphazardly, we should not get involved in Vietnam, but if we were going to be involved, we should be quick and decisive about it. We were easing into a war that most Americans didn't even know about. Those who did know about it didn't seem to care as long as it was somebody else's son, brother, husband, cousin or friend who was getting killed, hurt or taken prisoner. Then in Aug of '64 there were two incidents that led to much greater American involvement - American war ships in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin off of N. Vietnam were confronted and fired upon by several N. Vietnamese torpedo boats. The American ships returned fire and sank one of the boats. A couple of nights later, nervous and antsy RADAR operators on the American ships in the same area saw what they thought were the N. Vietnamese boats again and the Americans fired wildly on them. Thorough investigation years later confirmed that there were no N. Vietnamese boats there that day - they turned out to have been imagined - caused by spurious returns on the ships' RADAR and anxious operators. Meanwhile, Congress passed the Gulf of Tokin Resolution that granted President Johnson authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by Communist aggression. Johnson used this resolution as legal justification for greatly increasing and
Re: [MBZ] Today's Undertaking
Yep, 'nother ATTABOY! Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] Today's Undertaking The right side of the R129 had a tick, so I figured one of the cam oiler tubes had lost an end cap. Scored a set of the OE aluminum oiler tubes with new O rings from someone at Benzworld, got the seals and chain guides a couple of weeks ago at the dealer. Did both sides along with new spark plugs while I was in there. Found a tube on the front cylinder on the passengers side missing an end cap as expected. No others missing, fortunately. Got everything buttoned up and it still ticked. Dang it! Took it for a drive around the block and ticking disappeared. Now to head over to Ace/Radio Shack to find a switch for the shop vac Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
The factory reference points are dimples placed with a center punch on both sides of the joint. Don't ask me how I know... Dan On May 26, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Center punch works too. Make punch marks that match and they will remain. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Thanks Wilton! -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation's greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm's way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, but the conflict divided the country like nothing else since the Civil War. The tragedy is best illustrated by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the black granite wall in Washington, DC, which has etched into it more than 58 thousand names of the real heroes of the war. Members of their families are also heroes who still suffer from the perpetual absence of their loved ones who have never returned. Thousands of children have grown up never knowing their fathers and grandfathers, and thousands of children and grandchildren of the victims have never been born and never will be. Many families have waited 45 years and more not knowing the fates of their lost loved-ones, and many will never know. The suffering continues. To get a proper feel for this tragedy and to help us better understand and to remember, every American should visit the Memorial, study those names etched into it and think very seriously about how they got there. Let me quickly review some of the events and policies that put them there, starting with the French, who have had a strong influence and presence in the areas of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam since the mid 1800's. For many years, the area was even known as French Indochina. During WWII, the area was captured and occupied by the Japanese. After WWII, the French tried to reassert control, but meanwhile, a Communist insurgency led by Ho Chi Minh had gained strong influence, and a civil war erupted. The United States began to provide military aid to the French in Vietnam in 1950, but the Communist forces defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, and Viet Nam was divided into North and South Vietnam along a demilitarized zone just south of the 17th parallel with a Communist government in the North and a government friendly to the United States in the South. South Vietnam immediately began to ask the United States for support against Communist influence and insurgency from the North - the first being given in 1955. The insurgency in the South was originally conducted by local forces friendly to the North and were known as Viet Minh (also Viet Cong). Later, many North Vietnamese troops were also directly involved. As the insurgency increased, the United States gradually increased aid to South Vietnam, including military supplies, equipment and military advisors working closely with the South Vietnamese Army and Air Force. By late 1962, I was living in Georgia as an Air Force lieutenant on a B-52 combat crew. There I spent about a third of my time on alert with B-52's loaded with nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moment's notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union. By 1963 and '64, I began to see articles in the Atlanta Constitution about American military advisors being killed in Vietnam. This was very disturbing to me. I could so easily remember the stalemate that dragged on for years in Korea without a resolution only 10 to 12 years or so before. I was afraid that the conflict in Vietnam would get bogged down into the same type of indecisiveness. I felt, that, because of the way that it was going to be conducted, i. e., piecemeal and haphazardly, we should not get involved in Vietnam, but if we were going to be involved, we should be quick and decisive about it. We were easing into a war that most Americans didn't even know about. Those who did know about it didn't seem to care as long as it was somebody else's son, brother, husband, cousin or friend who was getting killed, hurt or taken prisoner. Then in Aug of '64 there were two incidents that led to much greater American involvement - American war ships in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin off of N. Vietnam were confronted and fired upon by several N. Vietnamese torpedo boats. The American ships returned fire and sank one of the boats. A couple of nights later, nervous and antsy RADAR operators on the American ships in the same area saw what they thought were the N. Vietnamese boats again and the Americans fired wildly on them. Thorough investigation years later confirmed that there were no N. Vietnamese boats there that day - they turned out to have been imagined - caused by spurious returns on the ships' RADAR and anxious operators. Meanwhile, Congress passed the Gulf of Tokin Resolution that granted President Johnson authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about Europe. I skipped the first and read the second and am now on the third. The waste of young lives in Italy is truly amazing. I am only at the start of the 3rd book - D Day but the whole process does not look to be much better. I guess WWII was a necessary fight. I doubt that Viet Nam was and I really have to wonder about the more recent ones like Afghanistan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 126 ball joint press
Thank you. That should be doable. Not going to get to it this weekend. other projects On May 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Maybe one of the pros will weigh in on this but here's what I found: I needed to remove all the brake stuff from the knuckle, I needed to pop the upper ball joint tapered shaft from the knuckle to swing the knuckle out enough to clear the tool that pops out the lower ball joint tapered shaft from the lower control arm). The knuckle needed to be removed completely and held inverted in a big vice to drive out the lower ball joint. The knuckle re-curves back over the centerline of the ball joint and this blocks pressing in the new BJ with anything simple. The pipe tool I bought/used was cut out in a way that lets the vertical part of the knuckle run inside the pipe. As I understand it, the c-clamp tool is used inverted such that the tapered post of the BJ goes through the hole in the bottom of the C-clamp with no adapters on that end. This requires removing the rubber grease boot to the clamp presses directly on the body of the BJ. Then you reinstall the rubber boot. A picture makes this clear but I don't have one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Governments don't have memories. 'Seems to be always some young arrogant whippersnapper in charge thinking he has all the answers, but has inadequate knowledge of history. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about Europe. I skipped the first and read the second and am now on the third. The waste of young lives in Italy is truly amazing. I am only at the start of the 3rd book - D Day but the whole process does not look to be much better. I guess WWII was a necessary fight. I doubt that Viet Nam was and I really have to wonder about the more recent ones like Afghanistan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Afghanistan may have been necessary at first, but after we chased Taliban (let 'em get away) into sanctuary in Pakistan, we turned away from it, unfinished, to go into Iraq unnecessarily, likely based on lies and 'cause Saddam had tried to kill Boy Bush's Daddy. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about Europe. I skipped the first and read the second and am now on the third. The waste of young lives in Italy is truly amazing. I am only at the start of the 3rd book - D Day but the whole process does not look to be much better. I guess WWII was a necessary fight. I doubt that Viet Nam was and I really have to wonder about the more recent ones like Afghanistan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Maybe, but the Prius has those expensive batteries, what is the life span of those? Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. --R On 5/26/14 12:04 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: IMO these were the most telling comments on the trial: The earlier comment on differences between diesel fuel and gasoline are worth repeating. A gallon of diesel fuel typical releases about 15% more thermal energy than a gallon of gasoline when burned. So comparing gallons of diesel to gallons of gasoline when measuring efficiency really is comparing apples to oranges, in spite of the authors' claims otherwise. On a 'mile per unit of thermal energy' basis, the Prius won. On a 'miles per dollar of fuel' basis, the Prius won, although the E250 would have won that category in Europe due to tax differences between US and EU. That said, I've owned 6 vehicles with VW diesel engines, and liked them a lot. Prius not in my top 10 desirable vehicles. ... I've put over 200,000 miles on my two VW diesels over the past few years. My Passat get close to 50 MPG on the highway and Sportwagen, with its roof rack, around 45. And they are fun to drive. I did test drive a Prius and to be honest, would rather ride a bus than drive that thing. . Gerrywhose 2 123 diesels will likely last him the rest of his life. On 5/26/2014 12:57 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/web-originals/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Yes I did that as well Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: All my mounts (motor, transmission) were replaced before this, too. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Mine is a diesel and I do not see why the exhaust would have to come off. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
Maybe the exhaust on the diesel is routed differently, but on the gas models it's routed down the transmission tunnel below the driveshaft. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out by looking underneath... Dan On May 26, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Mine is a diesel and I do not see why the exhaust would have to come off. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
Good point. It would be interesting to see life-cycle cost comparisons of similar high-mileage (or would that be high fuel economy?) cars. I rented a nice little diesel wagon in Spain a coupla years ago, I think that thing was doing about 40mpg give or take if I recall, maybe high 30s. Was a bit small for my tastes but had adequate room and great acceleration and speed. Was probably about the size of my TD, maybe a little smaller. --R On 5/26/14 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe, but the Prius has those expensive batteries, what is the life span of those? Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. --R On 5/26/14 12:04 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: IMO these were the most telling comments on the trial: The earlier comment on differences between diesel fuel and gasoline are worth repeating. A gallon of diesel fuel typical releases about 15% more thermal energy than a gallon of gasoline when burned. So comparing gallons of diesel to gallons of gasoline when measuring efficiency really is comparing apples to oranges, in spite of the authors' claims otherwise. On a 'mile per unit of thermal energy' basis, the Prius won. On a 'miles per dollar of fuel' basis, the Prius won, although the E250 would have won that category in Europe due to tax differences between US and EU. That said, I've owned 6 vehicles with VW diesel engines, and liked them a lot. Prius not in my top 10 desirable vehicles. ... I've put over 200,000 miles on my two VW diesels over the past few years. My Passat get close to 50 MPG on the highway and Sportwagen, with its roof rack, around 45. And they are fun to drive. I did test drive a Prius and to be honest, would rather ride a bus than drive that thing. . Gerrywhose 2 123 diesels will likely last him the rest of his life. On 5/26/2014 12:57 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/web-originals/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
I'm mine it runs to the passenger side of the trans tunnel Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Maybe the exhaust on the diesel is routed differently, but on the gas models it's routed down the transmission tunnel below the driveshaft. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out by looking underneath... Dan On May 26, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Mine is a diesel and I do not see why the exhaust would have to come off. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My W140 does this at a narrow speed range (75-80) which also seems to be dependent on road surface, believe it or not. I have the parts to do the job, but it's a real pig to do on the W140, which is why I have put it off. The only way you can get to the drive shaft and center bearing on the W140 is to drop the exhaust. It's a real b*tch of a job, which is why I have put it off indefinitely (and because I don't drive the car any more, too!) Might as well get a rear flex disc while you're at it along with some new bolts for the front flex disc you just replaced. Can't re0use the flex disc bolts unless you have a death wish. Dan On May 26, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
I think, if it had been my decision, I would have taken note of what happened to the Russians and said no thank you. On 26/05/2014 3:57 PM, WILTON wrote: Afghanistan may have been necessary at first, but after we chased Taliban (let 'em get away) into sanctuary in Pakistan, we turned away from it, unfinished, to go into Iraq unnecessarily, likely based on lies and 'cause Saddam had tried to kill Boy Bush's Daddy. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about Europe. I skipped the first and read the second and am now on the third. The waste of young lives in Italy is truly amazing. I am only at the start of the 3rd book - D Day but the whole process does not look to be much better. I guess WWII was a necessary fight. I doubt that Viet Nam was and I really have to wonder about the more recent ones like Afghanistan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Replacement Parts - Sears
On Sun, 25 May 2014 14:56:30 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Toggle on 25+ year old Sears shop vac died this week. Oldest son was cleaning his car out and it apparently died. Got around to checking out a replacement part from Sears. $24.00. Heading to Radio Shack to find a suitable substitute. That's just flat out ridiculous. I agree! We bought a Sears propane barbecue shortly after we moved here to Los Alamos (this was about December and the price was markedly discounted). We used it several times the following summer. The next summer I went to use it and found the gas regulator had died. I bought a new regulator from Sears. It worked fine that summer, but like its predecessor, was inoperative the following summer. (I guess they didn't like the cold winter weather.) I bought a new regulator, but not one from Sears (from someone who advertised on Amazon). It has continued to work in the serveral years since and has lived through several winters. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Viet Nam and Afghanistan share some some characteristics that should make a thinking person hesitate to bite on them -- both of them have broken many armies and many plans, and have never stayed occupied for very long. Viet Nam was where the Chinese empire stopped, several times, and both the Brits and the Russians broke their teeth attempting to swallow Afghanistan. Lack of knowledge of even elementary world history seems to have gotten us into a number of expensive and fairly pointless conflicts. Viet Nam was very easily avoided, although one has to go back a long way to see how -- Ho Chi Minh when to France to become a colonial administrator, and did not become a Communist until he was physically thrown down the front steps of the League of Nations for daring to ask when the Asian colonies would become independent. He remained an advocate of self-ruling democracy until his death, and modeled the Vietnamese constitution after the US one. He also FOUGHT the Japanese during WWII, unlike most of our official Allies who simply sucked up men, material, and money for their own purposes. All that aside, the Viet Nam War Memorial is an awe inspiring thing. Probably the very best way to begin to heal the wounds of that irrational and bungled horror story in SE Asia. It is a nearly overwhelming experience to go see it, and if you have not, or have not seen the traveling version, I also suggest you do so. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Sad to say, but WW2 was the last war America fought to win. Every war since then has been a Political Action that was run by Congress, who does not understand how to fight to win, not Generals who do understand that to make war you must fight to win. There are no holding actions . Since 68 - 70 in Vietnam, I have returned 5 times. Each time with native Vietnamese who I've become good friends with here. They all lost family in the South and were part of the boat people evacuation post fall of South. One of them served in communist forced labor camp clearing mine fields as a 10 yr old girl for 5 years before making an escape. Each time I've returned, I've been advised that America snatched defeat from the jaws of victory numerous times. We now know how the war was run by politicians not by generals. As we watch our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, those same patterns are repeated. I rise in respect to all who served. I bow in prayer for the families of the men and women who gave all in each of these actions. Words are never enough. On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think, if it had been my decision, I would have taken note of what happened to the Russians and said no thank you. On 26/05/2014 3:57 PM, WILTON wrote: Afghanistan may have been necessary at first, but after we chased Taliban (let 'em get away) into sanctuary in Pakistan, we turned away from it, unfinished, to go into Iraq unnecessarily, likely based on lies and 'cause Saddam had tried to kill Boy Bush's Daddy. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about Europe. I skipped the first and read the second and am now on the third. The waste of young lives in Italy is truly amazing. I am only at the start of the 3rd book - D Day but the whole process does not look to be much better. I guess WWII was a necessary fight. I doubt that Viet Nam was and I really have to wonder about the more recent ones like Afghanistan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
So the drive shaft is visible, and there are no heat shields? Dan On May 26, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I'm mine it runs to the passenger side of the trans tunnel Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W116 300SD throttle linkage problem
Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com writes: I attached a shot of the same area on my 126 300SD. I wonder if the rubber block a previous fix on your car or if they changed the linkage design by 82? My '83 300D has a similar setup to what you pictured. The linkage is different on the W116, with the rubber block on the Stop lever. Gary is that available? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Permission requested to repost this on FB, with no attribution. You will remain anonymous. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: WILTONSent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:37 PMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Peter wrote: Viet Nam was where the Chinese empire stopped, several times, and both the Brits and the Russians broke their teeth attempting to swallow Afghanistan. Nice!! Those seem the best places to live, perhaps. Nobody is able or willing to conquer the people and land, and the land and people are willing and able to hold their own. That certainly ain't true in USA. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
There is a heat shield over the drive shaft that has I be removed but it appears it can be removed with the exhaust in place. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: So the drive shaft is visible, and there are no heat shields? Dan On May 26, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I'm mine it runs to the passenger side of the trans tunnel Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Well put, yes Vietnam was lost after WW1 when greedy big nations did not want to let go of their stuff. This is particularly disappointing insofar that France and the US are both big champions of self rule and democracy. Even after WW2 when France had a taste of what it is like to be occupied. Unfortunately it was the little guy that ended up paying the price, which brings up the problem in modern times. Once upon a time the guy who decided to have a war was actually expected to go along and fight as well, watched a doco on Frederick the great the other day and in one battle he had two or three horses shot out from under him, nowadays the 'leaders' lead from the safety of their war rooms. Can't remember which Greek said it but only the dead have seen the end of war Hendrik who has been to Vietnam but never did find the plane in the lake On 27/05/14 07:18, Peter Frederick wrote: Viet Nam and Afghanistan share some some characteristics that should make a thinking person hesitate to bite on them -- both of them have broken many armies and many plans, and have never stayed occupied for very long. Viet Nam was where the Chinese empire stopped, several times, and both the Brits and the Russians broke their teeth attempting to swallow Afghanistan. Lack of knowledge of even elementary world history seems to have gotten us into a number of expensive and fairly pointless conflicts. Viet Nam was very easily avoided, although one has to go back a long way to see how -- Ho Chi Minh when to France to become a colonial administrator, and did not become a Communist until he was physically thrown down the front steps of the League of Nations for daring to ask when the Asian colonies would become independent. He remained an advocate of self-ruling democracy until his death, and modeled the Vietnamese constitution after the US one. He also FOUGHT the Japanese during WWII, unlike most of our official Allies who simply sucked up men, material, and money for their own purposes. All that aside, the Viet Nam War Memorial is an awe inspiring thing. Probably the very best way to begin to heal the wounds of that irrational and bungled horror story in SE Asia. It is a nearly overwhelming experience to go see it, and if you have not, or have not seen the traveling version, I also suggest you do so. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
Post with attribution; no address. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall Permission requested to repost this on FB, with no attribution. You will remain anonymous. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: WILTON Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by... -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Working on cars is getting to be like plumbing the sewer line!
It may be different in the US market but here most M104 engines have the 722.5, some early ones do have the 722.3 Easy to tell, the 5 speed have this gear pattern http://www.carshine.com.au/Pictures/Mercedes/Mercedes%20-%20W124%20-%20Chrome%20Gear%20Shift%20Frame%20(W126-11138).gif The 4 speed have this http://www.carshine.com.au/Pictures/Mercedes/Mercedes%20-%20W124%20-%20Chrome%20Gear%20Shift%20Frame%20comp%20(W124-49293).gif Hendrik who drove a C124 with 104 and 722.5 a while back On 26/05/14 10:02, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The 124 104 has the 722.3, the 722.5 was in the 140 104 Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: That is arguable, the E320 has all the usual 124 issues plus the 722.5 box is not as tough as the 722.3 and more expensive to rebuild, biodegradble wiring may be an issue. The M104 engine is a bit more perky (at higher revs when the twin cam comes into play) but a little harsh and will require good quality fuel. I would say the OM powered 124s are the best, followed by the 3 litre M103 ones. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel vs Hybrid vs electric
Well yeah it's horses for courses, for instance the pious was primarily designed for the urban stop start market, not long distance tourer. However to be fair they should compare the pious to an A class or such of similar size. The smallest Diesel we get here is the B200CDI which is rated at 4.6L/100kmhs which works out at 51mpg I think. Drive away prices (listed) here are AU$51k for the baby Benz and AU$37k for the Toy ota Fuel for the p is 3.9 per hundred metric measurement units, according to some person in a white coat. However I will say that we are overcharged for Mercs here, so the drive away price may well be closer elsewhere? Of course then there is the safety factor, depreciation, driving experience and such. But me thinks in the real world the B200CDI will own the Prius in the fuel consumption department. Fuel prices here are often the same for Diesel and low grade fuel, not sure what quality of fuel the p needs but mid and premium are usually a bit more than Diesel. BTW battery life http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1071391_life-after-death-what-happens-when-your-prius-battery-dies Hendrik who is sorry for mentioning the B class, which I don't think you get yet http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/class/class-B/bodystyle-EDV On 27/05/14 03:39, Rich Thomas wrote: They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
On Mon, 26 May 2014 08:52:47 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: If it's anything like earlier cars, you remove the shaft from the car, then use a puller to get the bearing off after you split the 2-piece shaft. Cautionary tale: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdrive.html All I get is: Not Found The requested URL /~jimc/JSLdrive.html was not found on this server. Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.53 (Mandrakelinux/PREFORK-9mdk) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7e PHP/4.3.10 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.6 Server at tank.windwireless.net Port 80 Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
On Mon, 26 May 2014 16:01:54 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The factory reference points are dimples placed with a center punch on both sides of the joint. Don't ask me how I know... On May 26, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Center punch works too. Make punch marks that match and they will remain. When I was re-doing our '82 240D/3.0, I tried marking the driveshaft with a center punch. I could not make a dent in it, even with a 2# hammer. I was amazed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Working on cars is getting to be like plumbing the sewer line!
On Tue, 27 May 2014 09:51:11 +0930 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: The 4 speed have this http://www.carshine.com.au/Pictures/Mercedes/Mercedes%20-%20W124%20-%20Chrome%20Gear%20Shift%20Frame%20comp%20 (W124-49293).gif The 124 104 has the 722.3, the 722.5 was in the 140 104 Our '95 E320 has the one in the link (once you have pasted the second line on to the back of the first). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] e250 vs Prius
You need to consider the entire life cycle of the cars - the MB will likely go twice the number of miles that the Prius will - thus the cost differences equal out. IIRC, Toyotaparts are often more expensive than the corresponding MB parts, if you buy from other than the dealers. Besides, it's not only about the money. I bought the VW and a Cessna for the price of a typical E class - you pays your money and takes your choice . . . . On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They need to do a cost comparison on the two cars. I'm sure the MB costs a lot more, and the $/mi cost for fuel is a tad higher, and overall cost of ownership is probably higher on the Benz. But I am sure it is a much better ride when factoring in all the creature features. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
That was my experience also - I cleaned it with spray brake cleaner then applied a couple of dots of paint. On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When I was re-doing our '82 240D/3.0, I tried marking the driveshaft with a center punch. I could not make a dent in it, even with a 2# hammer. I was amazed. Craig -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
On 5/26/2014 9:13 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014 16:01:54 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The factory reference points are dimples placed with a center punch on both sides of the joint. Don't ask me how I know... On May 26, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Center punch works too. Make punch marks that match and they will remain. When I was re-doing our '82 240D/3.0, I tried marking the driveshaft with a center punch. I could not make a dent in it, even with a 2# hammer. I was amazed. Craig Me too. That is why I use a Dremel tool with the sharpest, smallest grinding bit. It makes small or larger dimples. If you are working on shafts that have narrow splines very close together, you need very small dimples or you can get it wrong. The grinding bits wear out/get dull very quickly, but then I don't have to mark splines very often. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
How about http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdline.html instead? I shouldn't type links from memory. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Driveshaft center support
On Mon, 26 May 2014 20:23:04 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: How about http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLdline.html instead? Much better, thanks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall
WILTON: This is an exceptional essay, as always. I felt compelled to share it with several family and friends. The younger generation needs to know the real history and I doubt they get it in school. But senior citizens who got all their information from the media need to read it too. Thanks. All: On a related note, I have a neighbor who served in the South Vietnam Air Force and escaped as the South collapsed. He wrote a very informative memoir titled You Must Live. It's a fast read although the English is a little choppy in places (not his first language). I recommend it to anyone interested in another perspective. Unlike some of Giap's later statements, Phan is a regular Joe with no political agenda. http://www.amazon.com/You-Must-Live-Tuan-Phan/dp/0988304600 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 3:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
