from:"JabbaHursty"


it's just a disaster and it will destroy the economy.  big big trouble.


At 08:29 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:

Gas at Kum  Go, the lower-priced of our two stations in town was $2.69
today (the other was $2.75). Blew by Kum  Go on the motorcycle this evening
and noticed that the price for diesel is now $3.09. ... Jumped into the Benz
and filled up at $2.75 -- waited for the foam to die down enough to put one
last quarter's worth into the tank. The place I filled up lags Kum  Go by a
day in prices, so who knows what it will be there tomorrow!



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Re: [MBZ] opinions about the 124 vs. 126


126 is a german lincoln.  you like lincoln?

it has more room on the back

i'd stick with the 124

At 02:05 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote:

I am considering replacing my 90 300D 2.5 244K with a 1987 300SDL (I bet
you can't guess which one I am considering).   Anyway, I have never had
one of the big body diesels, so I would appreciate any opinions any one
has. My diesels have all been 123s and the current 124.  I think the 124
is such a huge improvement over the 123.



 I really love my 124. I think it is a great car. Great mileage - great
looking.  But,  I think I need more room especially when I have people
in the back seat.  What are the pros and cons of each car?



Donald H. Snook

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300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

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Re: [MBZ] FORTY CENT Diesel price jump today here!


yup, can't really argue much with proper names.


At 03:01 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote:

Its just the name of a gas station chain

Bob Rentfro wrote:

 If anyone even thinks of starting a Kum and Go thread, Kaleb will 
kick us

 so far from this list that...wellI dunno what...

 Bob Rentfro
 '77 300D 141K
 LP, AZ
 - Original Message -
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] FORTY CENT Diesel price jump today here!



WE have Kum and go here.

Chris wrote:


It's not really called 'Kum  Go'. is it?

Chris K
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From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: [MBZ] FORTY CENT Diesel price jump today here!




Gas at Kum  Go, the lower-priced of our two stations in town was $2.69
today (the other was $2.75). Blew by Kum  Go on the motorcycle this
evening
and noticed that the price for diesel is now $3.09. ... Jumped into the
Benz
and filled up at $2.75 -- waited for the foam to die down enough to put
one
last quarter's worth into the tank. The place I filled up lags Kum  Go
by
a
day in prices, so who knows what it will be there tomorrow!



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Re: [MBZ] opinions about the 124 vs. 126


sounds like a lincoln

as for small, i weigh about 500lbs and fit fine in a 124.  then again, i 
also fit in a VW Rabbit, so not sure what that means


At 03:39 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote:

I personally hate the W124 it is small and uncomfortable. One of my main
dislikes about the W124 is the door panel where it meets the window, it is
very uncomfortable to put your elbow on, in fact it was the main reason I
got rid of my 87 300D.

The W124 is great car but it is more like a Honda Accord and if you enjoy
small tin boxes then more power to you. I will keep my W126s and pay the
fuel premium for having a comfortable ride.

Regards,
Trampas



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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] opinions about the 124 vs. 126

Donald Snook wrote:
 I am considering replacing my 90 300D 2.5 244K with a 1987 300SDL (I bet
 you can't guess which one I am considering).   Anyway, I have never had
 one of the big body diesels, so I would appreciate any opinions any one
 has. My diesels have all been 123s and the current 124.  I think the 124
 is such a huge improvement over the 123.



  I really love my 124. I think it is a great car. Great mileage - great
 looking.  But,  I think I need more room especially when I have people
 in the back seat.  What are the pros and cons of each car?

The 126 is a WONDERFUL riding, comfortable highway car. It's slower, and
less economical and less fun to drive than the 124 (which won awards as
being the greatest touring car in the '80s).

Both are GREAT cars - the 124 is a more modern design and MUCH nicer to
drive in MY opinion. I've never owned a 126 - but have driven more than
a few.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Who refinishes/restores intirior trim?

2005-09-27 Thread JabbaHursty


angelo

the guy in NC is Drew

http://www.heritagewoodworks.com

don't email him but call

gary


At 09:09 AM 9/27/2005, you wrote:

Hi 'yall!

Can anyone recommend a place (I think there was one in North Carolina) that
refinishes interior wood trim partslike the panel the ACC unit sits in
or the panel around the shifter?  The finish is all cracked and dull.
Funny, the rest of the interior wood trim parts look fine.  Car is a 1990
350 SDL.

Thanks.

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
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Re: [MBZ] Who refinishes/restores intirior trim?

2005-09-27 Thread JabbaHursty


that's the california guy, not the north carolina guy

At 09:52 AM 9/27/2005, you wrote:

http://www.maderaconcepts.com/

never used them myself.

Chris

--- ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi 'yall!

 Can anyone recommend a place (I think there was one
 in North Carolina) that
 refinishes interior wood trim partslike the
 panel the ACC unit sits in
 or the panel around the shifter?  The finish is all
 cracked and dull.
 Funny, the rest of the interior wood trim parts look
 fine.  Car is a 1990
 350 SDL.

 Thanks.

 Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

2005-09-27 Thread JabbaHursty


i always liked the old style plugs.  rust is a big issue on those cars

At 11:34 AM 9/27/2005, you wrote:
Kaleb posted a '69 220D from eBay the other day, its in my area so I asked 
the guy for more pictures. The one picture on eBay looks really nice so 
I'm thinking this might be a good car to own, assuming the blower motor 
works and I don't mind having somebody else change the oil (twist my arm).
Anything else I should know about those cars? Old style glowplugs so I'll 
want to convert. How well can one with converted glowplugs be expected to 
start in the cold? Right now at about 0F I start getting nervous ('83 
240D) and at -5F I've gotta put the block heater on which is a project 
because I live in a 3rd floor walkup with nowhere to plugin the car. I've 
got a 110ah marine battery and 400watt inverter that I haul down to the 
car and 20 minutes later it starts with no problems all the way down to 
-20F which is about as cold as it ever gets here.


-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td

2005-09-16 Thread JabbaHursty


some early lincon mk VIIs had them.  few.  maybe 1984ish.  i kinda wanted one


At 01:55 PM 9/16/2005, you wrote:

On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:12:02AM -0400, Rusty Cullens wrote:
   Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used
 parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between.

Head prone to cracking, and if the parts guy says they're hard to find
parts for...

But, they were supposed to be a lot of fun to drive, and get good mileage.
That engine also appeared in a model of lincolns and in some motorhomes
(lesharo?)

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Can a boat like this be easily towed/launched with my MB/Van?

2005-09-15 Thread JabbaHursty


john

call me at 1-800-741-5252.  I can't reach you by phone and don't know 
exactly which vacuum pump repair kit you wanted.  i just either get a fast 
busy or a message telling me you are in the flood zone and i can't call you


gary


At 10:59 AM 9/15/2005, you wrote:

Zeitgeist wrote:

The wife wants a daysailer, so I'm looking around for the largest
trailerable boat I can find (for cheap), but I'm concerned about the
feasibility of managing that kind of weight behind my rigs on a
regular basis.  Anyone got some experience, tips for me?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/boa/97586530.html

Thinking of setting up both my 300D and Vanagon for tow duties.
Though I prefer the MB due to the auto-tranny and mo-powah, I already
have the hitch for the Van installed.


I have no idea how much that weighs, but if its less than 3000lbs
(1500kg) and has trailer brakes (750kg without) you can tow it.
Although a lot of people will give you knee-jerk reactions that you are
a bumbling idiot.  I asked a similar question on mercedesshop and got
blasted by everyone except 3 or so people.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=118560

On the mbz list there was a guy over in Norway (I think)  who increased
the towing rating on his W124 300D and towed quite a large camper
trailer all over the area for 6 weeks.  He even got Mercedes to legally
increase the towing limit on his car.

So it is possible.  You just have to make sure you pay attention to
whats going on.  If I remember correctly you're doing an intercooler
project, which would mean you know exactly what you can and can not do
with the car ;)

Best of luck with it!

John
'79 300SD



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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

the 200 was another sad tale of woe for GM.  originally designed for use 
with small displacement engines, some genius decided that they were 
adequately over engineered to be used on V8s.  the tranny lasted about 20k 
miles, but this was in the days of 12k new car warranties



At 06:53 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
I had that experience with a small block Pontiac motor where I couldn't 
use a Chevy 350 trans but instead it was a Olds 350 transmission. 
Something different with the bellhousings and where the engine bolts up 
was different. Buick and Pontiac back in the 70's and early 80's used a 
turbo hydramatic 200, the metric trans they called it. junk I call it




JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

as late as the late 70s there were some substantial differences between
identical GM cars, most obvious being that each division had their own
engines.  in other words, a chevy, olds and buick 350 were all different
engines.  other little things included such idiosyncrasies as buick not
letting chevy build turbo 350 transmissions for them, but building them in
house from kits.


At 12:18 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
De plane! De plane!

Answer: yes!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?
 
  At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When will people learn that a
  vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
  just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)
 
  Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
  differences, aside from suspension tuning and trim, more than 20 years
 ago,
  but people still swear by 'their' make.
 
  Case in point: When I worked for Budget, we had a huge fleet of Dodge
 Aspens
  and Plymouth Volares.
 
  Now these were the SAME car, in fact they came off the same line. 
We had

  some cars delivered with Dodge moldings (wider) and nameplates on one
 side,
  Plymouth on the other
 
  Yet we had customers who swore the Aspen was a delight to drive, 
but the

  Volare was a nightmare. Incredible.
 
  Mac
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

ah, you see so few of those on the road now, but i remember when the world 
was littered with shiny new dodge omnis


the car looked largely to be a rabbit knockoff and the early ones came with 
a rabbit engine.  this engine proved troublesome for chrysler and was 
replaced with the corporate 2.2 liter.  don't recall the mitsubishi 2.6 
being used in this car, but it would not surprise me as those seem to have 
been put in everything



At 09:41 AM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
The very early Dodge Omnis / Plymouth Horizons used the entire VW engine 
and transaxle, though for some reason this was not promoted. Later they 
had Mitsu and then Chrysler power, right? I am digging far back into the 
sands of time here, so I may be like Wile E. Coyote, confusibus maxiumus.


Mac

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Would have been the SpiritThe Gremlin was long gone by the time the 
Omni came out.  I have been trying to call my best friendHe has about 
every AMC book out there so I will try to find out for sure.  Mike

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche

I thought it was the Dodge Omni; however, it may have been the Gremlin. 
One of the auto magazines did an article on modifying this engine 10-15 
years ago.


Thomas E. Potter
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Subject: [MBZ] Porsche

I'm willing to be crucified if needed, but I'm fairly positive that
the only VW sourced engines ever to show up in a Porsche product were
the 914 and 912E (same flat four T4 engine) and the early version of
the Porsche 924, with that oldball amalgam of the Audi 100LS block and
weird overhead cam head w/Vega-style adjustable lifter cups.  I'm also
fairly positive, in fact quite sure that all the 356 engine variants
were of Porsche design and construction, though were somewhat similar
to VW T1 engine designs.

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours 
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the 
Audi/924 block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.


RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Swing axles?

will the MB spin if you lift the throttle in a turn?  i've been driving 
them for years, but have never lifted off the throttle in a turn for fear 
of spinning the thing


I did spin the 6.3 once, but that had more to do with taking a left at 70 
mph in the rain than with anything else.



At 08:58 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:

I seem to remember that the Type 3s also had CV axles, ditto for the
412 VWs.  Only the Beetle and early buses had swing axles.

Benz used a swing axle rear end from 1953 to 1973.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche


i thought the spirit was a competent and underrated car


At 11:56 AM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
That is CARRYING the Pontiac engine not running the Omni with it by the 
wayMike

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche

 someone claiming to be mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ah, you see so few of those on the road now, but i remember when the 
world was

 littered with shiny new dodge omnis


 the car looked largely to be a rabbit knockoff and the early ones came 
with a

 rabbit engine.

In the day they became sort of a joke because of their poor finish quality 
(interior trim and paint as I recall were the issues), but given what 
Chrysis Corp produced after I would now have one in a hearbeat over any 
flavour of K-Car except the Spirit. Oddly enough, IIRC they had more 
interior room than a Rabbit, which given the state of the non-art of 
Detroit use of interior space at the time, was actually quite an 
achievement. And the seats were not bad.


I talked an uncle into trading is Pontiac Astre for one, and he hated me 
for it forever after. So he then got rid of it, went out and bought one of 
those ghastly little 3-cylinder Suzukis badged as a Pontiac, and proceeded 
to pay the dealer like a grand a year on brake rebuilds because he was too 
stupid to believe he could take it down the street to Suzuki and get it 
done for half that (and probably get uprated rotors that did not warp when 
they hit a puddle, too).


Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market

i really dug the pt cruiser.  one of the cars i'd look it if i ever had an 
inclination to buy a new car


i still rent them every now and again when  i go somewhere

At 01:58 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:

It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle
(truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans
demanded that they sell it over here.  They couldn't keep up with demand for
the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different
body...

Royce Engler
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To: Mercedes mailing list
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market


You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all
with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

2005-09-13 Thread JabbaHursty


could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?

At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When will people learn that a
 vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
 just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)

Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
differences, aside from suspension tuning and trim, more than 20 years ago,
but people still swear by 'their' make.

Case in point: When I worked for Budget, we had a huge fleet of Dodge Aspens
and Plymouth Volares.

Now these were the SAME car, in fact they came off the same line. We had
some cars delivered with Dodge moldings (wider) and nameplates on one side,
Plymouth on the other

Yet we had customers who swore the Aspen was a delight to drive, but the
Volare was a nightmare. Incredible.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

2005-09-13 Thread JabbaHursty

as late as the late 70s there were some substantial differences between 
identical GM cars, most obvious being that each division had their own 
engines.  in other words, a chevy, olds and buick 350 were all different 
engines.  other little things included such idiosyncrasies as buick not 
letting chevy build turbo 350 transmissions for them, but building them in 
house from kits.



At 12:18 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:

De plane! De plane!

Answer: yes!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?

 At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When will people learn that a
 vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
 just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)

 Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
 differences, aside from suspension tuning and trim, more than 20 years 
ago,

 but people still swear by 'their' make.

 Case in point: When I worked for Budget, we had a huge fleet of Dodge 
Aspens

 and Plymouth Volares.

 Now these were the SAME car, in fact they came off the same line. We had
 some cars delivered with Dodge moldings (wider) and nameplates on one 
side,

 Plymouth on the other

 Yet we had customers who swore the Aspen was a delight to drive, but the
 Volare was a nightmare. Incredible.

 Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

2005-09-13 Thread JabbaHursty


and you didn't visit kleb?

At 02:53 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:

Took my yearly 2000+ mile trip to Oklahoma and back last weekend.
Averaged 33.5 mpg with a high of 37.5 and a low of 28.5. The low was on
a tank of 11% BioDiesel (actually when mixed into what was already
there, it was more like 6-7%). That's consistent with what I've heard
and read, but contrary to what I'd read, the several tankfuls of
biodiesel I had previously used (all 20% from the Navy Annex station in
Arlington VA) had given me economy at least equal to conventional #2.

I averaged about 70 mph for most of the trip (sustained speeds of
between 55 and 85 mph at different times). I was driving my 190D 2.5
turbo and running the AC almost continuously (outside temps between high
70s and mid 90s).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Iron Duke -- Cadillac Cimarron

i knew this guy back in new york who was old school and used to get a new 
cadillac every 2 years.  he was so proud and would show everyone within 
earshot his new cadillac.  He was a nice fella and we all went ooh and ah 
with every new car.


one day, he showed up with his new caddy, only this one was a 
cimmaron.  there was just stunned silence.



At 10:23 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:
The Cimmaron was nothing more than a dressed up CavalierThe 
standard shift models seemed to last well but as typical with US cars with 
a 4 cyl and auto tranny of that era they were destined for the junkyard 
long before European or Japanese models.


Mike
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Donald Snook
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iron Duke -- Cadillac Cimarron

Kevin wrote:



The later sunbirds along with the Simmeron and Cavalier were FWD, and those

in the late 70's were rwd models.  I know that they put v6's in the early

Sunbirds, Monzas and Skyhawks, but I don't know what 4 cyl engine was

available.



Kevin



The Cadillac Cimarron debuted as a 1982 model.  It had a 112 c.u. engine 
in 82. By 1983 it was increased to a 2.0. By sometime around 87, the 
Cimmaron was upgraded to the 2.8 V6.




The early Cimarrons were such miserable cars that I can't believe how long 
they lasted.  The 1982 Cimarron was almost as bad a car as the diesels 
that Cadillac attempted in the late 70's and early 80's. My mother drove 
one of these lousy cars until it caught fire on the highway and later 
fireballed at the dealership.






90 300D 2.5 247K miles



Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] Iron Duke -- Cadillac Cimarron

it is amazing to me how the world's biggest corporation that had every 
imaginable resource could have done this to itself.  I was just a kid in 
the 70s, but it seems it was the age where the nation went mad.


GM's market share is still eroding.


At 09:50 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

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Kevin wrote:

The later sunbirds along with the Simmeron and Cavalier were FWD, and those
in the late 70's were rwd models.  I know that they put v6's in the early
Sunbirds, Monzas and Skyhawks, but I don't know what 4 cyl engine was
available.

Kevin

The Cadillac Cimarron debuted as a 1982 model.  It had a 112 c.u. engine 
in 82. By 1983 it was increased to a 2.0. By sometime around 87, the 
Cimmaron was upgraded to the 2.8 V6.


The early Cimarrons were such miserable cars that I can't believe how long 
they lasted.  The 1982 Cimarron was almost as bad a car as the diesels 
that Cadillac attempted in the late 70's and early 80's. My mother drove 
one of these lousy cars until it caught fire on the highway and later 
fireballed at the dealership.



90 300D 2.5 247K miles

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Iron Duke -- Cadillac Cimarron

not sure about ross, but it is obviously just a dressed up cavalier.  to 
some large extent, the original seville was basically a dressed up Nova, 
but this was ridiculous


At 10:40 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

 someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i knew this guy back in new york who was old school and used to get a new
 cadillac every 2 years.  he was so proud and would show everyone within
 earshot his new cadillac.  He was a nice fella and we all went ooh and 
ah

 with every new car.


 one day, he showed up with his new caddy, only this one was a 
cimmaron.  there

 was just stunned silence.

Wasn't that the car that Ross Perot had taken apart, to prove it *was* 
just a Cavalier? (After the GM press office tried to BS its way through 
people saying so.)


Mac
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Re: [MBZ] SOS - update - Kaleb - got a front pump for sale???


it's standard practice in the US auto parts business to ship canadiens last


At 12:17 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

If it was the front pump, he is one lucky guy if that transmission is still
operable, even if the bill is going to be high (has to be, just for the fact
it's a re/re job).

May take a while to find a used pump from a reliable source. I doubt any
used parts supplier is going to guarantee one.

Of course, we *do* know a certain used parts supplier who might have one.

IF YOU CAN GET HIM TO SHIP (yes, Kaleb, that was a HINT).  LoL.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Indy diagnosis - front pump shot. He's trying to find
 a used one cuz Jim is in grad school and ain't rich. I
 didn't talk to the Indy (Emery), so I didn't get any
 more details. Pump put too much pressure of the seals
 and blew them.

 Christopher

 --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jason (co-worker of Jim and I and 300Dt owner) and I
 just got back with the car (flat bed trailer - all
 wheels off the ground). It's is probably the input
 shaft. We arrived in Greeville around 1 AM and the
 ATF
 didn't JUST GUSH out, it also SPRAYED out where the
 bell housing attaches to the engine.

 Indeed, you could not pour ATF in as fast as it was
 coming out. We towed the car to our VERY trustworthy
 Indy in KC (where we all go here) and he gave
 estimate
 of $900 to replace all the seals, which I think is a
 great price...(for those of you who recall my old
 Indy
 who I did not trust so much, this is not him, this
 guy
 is fantastic).

 I have had no sleep, nor has Jason or Jim. I am at
 work in greasy clothes, and I need a shower
 (boo-hoo),
 but the car is back and I think it could have been
 much worse.

 Jim called me as soon as he first saw the leak and
 when he checked the tranny level, it was good -
 exactly midway between full and add. With the leak
 that EXTREME, it HAD to have started moments before
 he
 pulled off the highway for diesel and dinner. Since
 the three of us are Catholics, we all agreed it was
 a
 direct intervention of God. If you're an athiest,
 then
 just think that Jim was the luckiest guy on the road
 that night. Car continued to shift fine, so I think
 the tranny itself is undamaged.

 Jim might have more details to add...my brain is too
 fried to remember much else. He was very happy for
 the
 help and concern of the list members. Maybe he won't
 be a lurker anymore!


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Re: [MBZ] SOS - update - Kaleb - got a front pump for sale???


i refer all foreigners to kleb, yes

At 02:03 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

Well, then, Kaleb should be put in charge of BIMBY's international division!

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it's standard practice in the US auto parts business to ship canadiens last


 At 12:17 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote:
 If it was the front pump, he is one lucky guy if that transmission is 
still
 operable, even if the bill is going to be high (has to be, just for 
the fact

 it's a re/re job).

 May take a while to find a used pump from a reliable source. I doubt any
 used parts supplier is going to guarantee one.

 Of course, we *do* know a certain used parts supplier who might have one.

 IF YOU CAN GET HIM TO SHIP (yes, Kaleb, that was a HINT).  LoL.

 Mac

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Indy diagnosis - front pump shot. He's trying to find
 a used one cuz Jim is in grad school and ain't rich. I
 didn't talk to the Indy (Emery), so I didn't get any
 more details. Pump put too much pressure of the seals
 and blew them.

 Christopher

 --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jason (co-worker of Jim and I and 300Dt owner) and I
 just got back with the car (flat bed trailer - all
 wheels off the ground). It's is probably the input
 shaft. We arrived in Greeville around 1 AM and the
 ATF
 didn't JUST GUSH out, it also SPRAYED out where the
 bell housing attaches to the engine.

 Indeed, you could not pour ATF in as fast as it was
 coming out. We towed the car to our VERY trustworthy
 Indy in KC (where we all go here) and he gave
 estimate
 of $900 to replace all the seals, which I think is a
 great price...(for those of you who recall my old
 Indy
 who I did not trust so much, this is not him, this
 guy
 is fantastic).

 I have had no sleep, nor has Jason or Jim. I am at
 work in greasy clothes, and I need a shower
 (boo-hoo),
 but the car is back and I think it could have been
 much worse.

 Jim called me as soon as he first saw the leak and
 when he checked the tranny level, it was good -
 exactly midway between full and add. With the leak
 that EXTREME, it HAD to have started moments before
 he
 pulled off the highway for diesel and dinner. Since
 the three of us are Catholics, we all agreed it was
 a
 direct intervention of God. If you're an athiest,
 then
 just think that Jim was the luckiest guy on the road
 that night. Car continued to shift fine, so I think
 the tranny itself is undamaged.

 Jim might have more details to add...my brain is too
 fried to remember much else. He was very happy for
 the
 help and concern of the list members. Maybe he won't
 be a lurker anymore!


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Re: [MBZ] New Sponsor of striplin.net mailing lists

2005-09-11 Thread JabbaHursty

what??  no, you got it wrong, buddy.  wake up at noon.  go to bimby 
and take a nap.  play cards all night



At 01:45 PM 9/10/2005, you wrote:

I like Jabba's schedule -- very natural for me. Work most of the
night, get up after noon, start over again.

On 9/10/05, JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 exactly, i was asleep!


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Re: [MBZ] Another 6.9 headache!!

2005-09-11 Thread JabbaHursty

for those to whom 2 world wars has not proven the madness of the 
germans, there is the M100



At 02:34 PM 9/10/2005, you wrote:

Hi, everyone!
Anyone know a trick to removing the water pump on our most wonderful
treasure of a car? Another fun challenge of our 77 450SEL 6.9 There
has just got to be a trick! Surely they didn't build the rest of the car
around the water pump?!!! Looks like we gotta pull the radiator AND the
harmonic balancer, we is me. Thanks for any pointers, Chris N John

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Re: [MBZ] New Sponsor of striplin.net mailing lists

2005-09-10 Thread JabbaHursty


it happened before i woke up.  i'm not responsible




At 09:34 PM 9/9/2005, you wrote:

I am pleased to announce that Rusty and Gary of www.buymbparts.com fame
are now the official sponsors of our mailing lists.  You will soon see
their name plastered all over the place.  As soon as we get a website up
they will be linked there as well.  So everyone, give Rusty and Gary a
call for all of your new parts needs, 1-800-741-5252.  We appreciate
their active role in our new lists.
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  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] New Sponsor of striplin.net mailing lists

2005-09-10 Thread JabbaHursty


exactly, i was asleep!

At 03:10 AM 9/10/2005, you wrote:

Jabba wrote:

it happened before i woke up.  i'm not responsible

Yes that's correct, you can;t hold him responsible because he's too busy
being irresponsible!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] OT Sig line change/I really need to pay better attention

2005-09-09 Thread JabbaHursty


i;ll give you 2 dollars a month


At 07:52 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

As a courtesy to Rusty I included the buymbparts line since the list was
only a backup till mbz.org came back up.  Since its apparant its not and
since I am the only one sponsoring the list, I decided to only include
links to paid sponsors.  Nothing against rusty or anything like that,
just simply economics.

Rick Knoble wrote:

 Hey Kaleb,
 What happened to the sig line. I just noticed the it changed from
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Re: [MBZ] Linux

2005-09-09 Thread JabbaHursty


we all tend to underestimate kleb just because he is stupid

At 09:56 AM 9/9/2005, you wrote:


welll, I'll be a monkey's uncle-Kaleb's more resourceful
 than I thought
-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 8, 2005 10:52 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Linux

it is run on a linux server



Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number


despite our canuck policy, i will give it to you

770-452-7320


At 07:09 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Rusty!

Please post your local number down there in Hotlanta, I need some stuff!!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number

800 number works only in USA. at least 48 contiguous, but not sure 
about the other 2



At 07:17 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 06:14:54PM -0500, LT Don wrote:
 Huh? Is Toronto a suburb of Atlanta now?

No, Rusty might not have the 800 number set to allow canadian calls.

K

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number


i will cuss you out and then put you on hold


At 08:07 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Thanks Jabbahopefully it's you that picks up the phone..I miss
those dulcet tones...

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number


i left new york because i forced by law to take canadian change


At 08:28 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Yeah, you should hear him.Ohit's Zedic.anyone want to talk
to Zedic??..Another F* Canadian.

Hahahahaha...bloody foreigners.

No wonder he got kicked out of NY.he's too u... what's the
word???.SUAVE?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Too much Marvel Mystery Oil

i stopped using mystery oil with the advent of fuel injection . although i 
don't think it will hurt your 240D as it should burn it fine



At 06:42 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

In my 83 240D I found that Marvel Mystery oil in the fuel tank helped the
injector problems(engine rough and missing).  I put a pint into less than a
full tank the last time I added it.  Will TOO MUCH Marvel make the injector
problem worse?
John Ingram
83 240D  235K


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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number


yes, but i meant private first class


At 08:34 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

I take it you are referring to Jabba here?

But he IS very entertaining. Prior to Jabba, I'd not been called Private 
Don since ... well ... ummm ... well, he is unique. It takes a real man to 
throw his weight around can call a retired military officer Private.


On 9/7/05, Jeff Zedic mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, you should hear him.Ohit's Zedic.anyone want to talk
to Zedic??..Another F* Canadian.

Hahahahaha...bloody foreigners.

No wonder he got kicked out of NY.he's too u... what's the
word???.SUAVE?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's local number


he's the best intern we've ever had at bimby

At 09:21 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Hmmm -- Tom very politely took my order this morning, promising that
it would ship today.

On 9/7/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yea, nothing says Better Business Bureau like why the f*** are you 
calling,
 I was taking a nap. Jabba is the Banned-man, Rusty is the man. Except 
Rusty

 is on Banned and Jabba isn't. Strange.


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Re: [MBZ] Question

that is the number for vrx network services, no?  is there another number 
that should be used?


At 12:43 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

NFG!  If someone posted my home phone number on this list without my
knowledge or consent I'd probably kick his ass all the way to the curb. If
you have some sort of problems with him why don't you sort it out off list?

Giving people his email is one thing. Giving people his phone number
is.. well,
not cool dude.


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Re: [MBZ] Question


hey, dude, ,like NFG!  NFG!

you are publicizing our business phone number.  someone might call and we 
might actually have to do something


At 12:51 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

while you're waiting to call go to
http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offc2coff=1rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-51%2CGGLD%3Aenq=site%3Adiesel.list.archives.mbz.org+2001http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offc2coff=1rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-51%2CGGLD%3Aenq=site%3Adiesel.list.archives.mbz.org+2001

And hit cached for every link you're interested in.

-- Original message --

 Call Richard Sexton at 613-473-1719, he has all the answers. Don't call
 until after 12:00PM EST as he sleeps until then. He sleeps after that
 too but will answer the phone.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Swehosky
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:19 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] Question

 Greetings,

 How do I go about accessing the various threads that
 were part of: http://diesel.list.archives.mbz.org/?

 These were categorized under year, month  some
 assigned number. For example, say I'd like to start
 with 2001 May #675; how do I go about reading this
 particular file and all subsequent ones that were part
 of this list? I think they went up to 2002.

 Thanks,

 Dan Swehosky





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Re: [MBZ] Question


but now his business address is an NFG secret?

you gotta get me some of that dope you guys smoke so i can join the club

At 01:16 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

Richard used to have his home number and address at the bottom of most
of his emailsI remember seeing it and thinking it to be a bit strange...

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] Question

we are mostly trying to sort out what is a home and what is a business 
number, i think.


dickarde requires no character assassination

you, danny and wachsmuth are the last believers.  everyone else knows what 
he is about


take your pro dick bullshit off list


At 01:47 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

Deal with your business disputes with the person in question and leave it
off this list. Particularly when that person is not present here to give his
side in this forum. Or at least keep it on your own forum. I highly doubt
Kaleb started this list to character-assassinate Richard Sexton in absentia.

Richard started the mbz.org lists as a free service, long before Bimby
became involved as a commercial sponsor. Former list members were entitled
to get what they paid for, in those lists.

As to people with server contracts, promotional contracts, rented server
space, or biz domain names under VRX, I cannot comment on that. That is
between you and Richard to sort out.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Danny, FYI, that number is his work number. When he does choose to
 answer it he says VRX can I help you. His message that you get more
 often than him says, You have reached VRX network services. Never does
 it say you have reached the Sexton residence. As for keeping this off
 list, how can I? The entire mbz.org world is aware of Dick's blatant non
 caring for mbz.org. When is last time your web site was down 3 1/2
 months? If ANYBODY wants to kick my ass all the way to curb come on
 down. Why would I give out his email? He never answers it. Not cool is
 expecting someone to pay for advertising and not producing for 3 months.
 Have a nice day.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BenzBarn
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:43 PM
 To: Mercedes mailing list
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question

 NFG!  If someone posted my home phone number on this list without my
 knowledge or consent I'd probably kick his ass all the way to the curb.
 If
 you have some sort of problems with him why don't you sort it out off
 list?

 Giving people his email is one thing. Giving people his phone number
 is.. well,
 not cool dude.


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Re: [MBZ] Question

you aren't the only one hosed by dick, so there is some consolation.  i've 
been hosed by more guys from the mbz community than I have been from 
everyone else combined.


beware of your friends


At 02:07 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

Well. when ever I call his place he always says hello. Never VRX
and never the answering machine.   I'm not pro Richard, I'm not against him
either.

I'm waiting to see my site come back up just like some other people might
be. If it was a flat amount I'd know how much I'm out or need to recover but
in this case it was '' in kind ''  for repairs to the Coupe.  If anyone
should be mad at him it could be me.


He tells me the list will be back up. Not when - just that it will be. It's
clear you guys have bigger issues that need to be resolved.


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Re: [MBZ] Question


everyone knows this, loren.

in the beginning, everyone believed in richard.  now there are 3 true 
believers.  everyone else knows the score



At 02:41 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

Actually, the list started as Mercedes-Veterans list and was started by
Alex Gabard of Switzerland.  Richard agreed to administer the list for
Alex, then commandeered it.  Richard started mbz.org, and owns that domain
name.  That has been the source of all the problems.  I realize it takes
some time to administer a list, but not an inordinate amount.  Besides,
Richard only administered the list for a short time.  He splintered it into
various lists and then got an UNPAID volunteer to administer each list.

Kaleb has graciously agreed to provide us a means to continue the
list.   Rusty has graciously provided funding to keep the MBZ.org list
alive for several years (at exorbitant (extortion) rates) and continues to
support this list financially.

Personally, I think it is unfair to say anything unkind about Rusty or
Kaleb on this list, given the time and money they donate for the rest of us.

Loren

At 01:13 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
As for Dick having mbz.org long before we were sponsors,
we have been involved for 75% of its life thank you.


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Re: [MBZ] How to purchase a Gas card

i actually have a proper debit card, not linked to anything but it's own 
account.  i got tired of everyone asking me whether my card was debit or 
credit so i went and got one.  it's pretty good.  just like cash. not 
connected to any credit card.  mostly use it for gas and groceries


i wouldn't use one of those visa check card deals though.  very bad stuff


At 03:23 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

Andrew,

Best bet would be to get a Debit Card for him.
99% of the stations I use going to Bristol takes them.

When your son arrives in Gonzales if he needs anything give him my
phone number 225-644-3880Home 225-253-9514Cell.

The Organization that I'm VP of is Cataloging all the Rescued pets that
are being taken care of at the Lamar-Dixon Facility.

Russ W.
Vice President
Cajun Clickers Computer Club

'83 240D x2


andrew strasfogel wrote:

 My son is leaving the D.C. area for Gonzalez, Louisiana on Saturday
 9/10 to help in the effort to rescue and care for pets stranded by
 Katrina. This will include delivering a sizable cargo to be donated
 directly to the Louisiana Humane Society, as well as helping care for
 the animals delivered to the rescue station.

 I would like to donate a prepaid gas card to be used on his trip but
 1) have never purchased one this before, and 2) want to assure that
 the card I choose to buy is usable in the states he is likely to be
 travelling through (MD, VA, NC, TN, MS, ALA, and of course LA).  Any
 recommendations?




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Re: [MBZ] How to purchase a Gas card

unfortunately, mine won't work for you as it is tied into online casinos
and not practical if you are not involved in that. www.neteller.com

i'd have to think there would be others like it though that dont make you
pay the premium for involvement in sin trade

At 04:39 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
Where do you get these, Hursty? I was stumped trying to obtain a
stand-alone debit card preloaded with X dollars and not tied to any
account. Nobody seems to know where to get one. My bank won't sell me
one either.

On 9/8/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i actually have a proper debit card, not linked to anything but it's own
account. i got tired of everyone asking me whether my card was debit or
credit so i went and got one. it's pretty good. just like cash. not
connected to any credit card. mostly use it for gas and groceries

i wouldn't use one of those visa check card deals though. very bad stuff

At 03:23 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
Andrew,

Best bet would be to get a Debit Card for him.
99% of the stations I use going to Bristol takes them.

When your son arrives in Gonzales if he needs anything give him my
phone number 225-644-3880Home 225-253-9514Cell.

The Organization that I'm VP of is Cataloging all the Rescued pets that
are being taken care of at the Lamar-Dixon Facility.

Russ W.
Vice President
Cajun Clickers Computer Club

'83 240D x2

andrew strasfogel wrote:

My son is leaving the D.C. area for Gonzalez, Louisiana on Saturday
9/10 to help in the effort to rescue and care for pets stranded by
Katrina. This will include delivering a sizable cargo to be donated
directly to the Louisiana Humane Society, as well as helping care for
the animals delivered to the rescue station.

I would like to donate a prepaid gas card to be used on his trip but
1) have never purchased one this before, and 2) want to assure that
the card I choose to buy is usable in the states he is likely to be
travelling through (MD, VA, NC, TN, MS, ALA, and of course LA). Any
recommendations?

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Re: [MBZ] Question

The lists began when i got myself banned and dick got banned for asking stu 
about it.  To my mind, the practical  origin of the mbz.org lists as viable 
traces to marshall's agreement to participate on the diesel list, but one 
could reasonably have a different view on this.


richard survived through most of his previous debacles because he was 
protected by me for numerous reasons, both business and personal


bimby support came to roughly $25k per year in cash and prizes, a very 
pretty penny for a guy to keep up a website and mailing lists.  I'm not 
sure why it would be impossible to pay list admins from that sum, but i'm 
not that good at accounting.


and for $25k per year, richard could not succeed at keeping up a website 
and some mailing lists.  you think about that for a moment.


three true believers left out of legions -- I am glad to be around such a 
man of faith as you


At 04:59 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually, the list started as Mercedes-Veterans list and was started by
 Alex Gabard of Switzerland.

Disinformation.

The VETS list was started by Gabard. The mbz.org lists were started when
Richard, along with several other people, got themselves 'banned' from the
Ritter/Easley list. The two are completely independent of each other. The
first mbz.org list was actually what came to be known as the Banned list.

  Richard agreed to administer the list for
 Alex, then commandeered it.

Disinformation.

Richard did not 'comandeer' lists, nor is it technologically possible to do
so. If a list owner was not keeping it up a list, or had lost interest in
continuing to do so (a very common occurrence, as mailing list admin
requires both time and patience, and never ends), Richard would take it over
with their approval, and bring it under mbz.org.

Sure, Richard used volunteers as list admins. I have a rough idea what the
Bimby sponsorship amounted to,  wise, and if you want to suggest that
Richard could have made money off it, while also paying list admins, then
please teach my accountant your math before my next tax return.

There seems to be some suggestion in these exchanges, that Richard only had
interest in lists that he could dig money out of Bimby to subsidize. Maybe
someone would care to explain, therefore, why Richard also hosted lists for
Rover cars and tropical fish, among other things, as well, though last time
I checked Bimbyparts has no interest in either.

 Rusty has graciously provided funding to keep the MBZ.org list
 alive for several years (at exorbitant (extortion) rates) and continues to
 support this list financially.

Disinformation.

Rusty does NOT support Kaleb's lists in any way, shape or form, unless such
an agreement for support has taken place in the last few days (and I imagine
we would have heard about it).

Rusty's presence on lists is for business advantage. That is fine. He
contributes parts expertise from time to time, and is kind enough to host
parties for list participants. No one, including me, has any objection to
that (and such participation is refused on many, if not most, car lists by
the way).

Bimby sponsored the mbz.org lists. True. However, Bimby did not 'own' them,
in any way shape or form. To the best of my knowledge, it isn't even legally
possible.

Rusty's main agreement with Richard was for the original portal to
buymbparts.com, linked off mbz.org, AND (probably most importantly) to use
Richard's expertise in keeping Bimby appearing in the Google top ten of
search results for mercedes parts. Fooling with coding to 'optimize'
Google's results is specialized knowledge, and it does not come cheap.
Whatever Rusty and Richard agreed to, for fees, was between them. Surely if
Richard's fees were extravagant, as a competent businessman Rusty would have
sought out the same service, elsewhere, for cheaper?

And in any case, the buymbparts pages moved from Richard's server at least a
year ago, did it not?

Anyone who has spent more than five minutes in the world of business knows
that there are two sides (maybe more) to every story like this.

So my point is, this was and continues to be a disagreement or dispute
between Rusty and one of his suppliers. To discuss it here, especially
without the 'other side' being provided the opportunity to rebut, is just
plain ignorant.

Mac




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Re: [MBZ] How to purchase a Gas card


that seems reasonable enough.


At 05:06 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Where do you get these, Hursty?  I was stumped trying to obtain a 
stand-alone debit card
 preloaded with X dollars and not tied to any account.  Nobody seems to 
know where to get

 one.  My bank won't sell me one either.

National City has a decent deal on prepaid VISA, I think it's about $3 
surcharge for
a $500 card. The drawback is that they start hitting it with monthly 
charges after

seven months. The good part is that you can track your purchases online.

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Re: [MBZ] How to purchase a Gas card

i'm looking online and it seems this prepaid debit card is a huge thing 
now.  i'd still prefer one that cannot be used as a credit card as it is 
then useless to anyone who does not have your PIN number


At 05:06 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Where do you get these, Hursty?  I was stumped trying to obtain a 
stand-alone debit card
 preloaded with X dollars and not tied to any account.  Nobody seems to 
know where to get

 one.  My bank won't sell me one either.

National City has a decent deal on prepaid VISA, I think it's about $3 
surcharge for
a $500 card. The drawback is that they start hitting it with monthly 
charges after

seven months. The good part is that you can track your purchases online.

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Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread JabbaHursty

as i have said many times before, in ten years, 
old benz owners will be looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners.



At 11:58 AM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
I'd love to hear more details about the Mercedes 
rebuild procedures. It's the least they could do 
after dumping these piece of shit engines on us.
I've lost count of the number of people I've 
talked out of buying a mercedes. A friend just 
bought a maybach despite my warnings. It's spent 
more time in the shop than in his driveway.

No wonder their brand in on the decline in the US.

I would not say replacing all the rods is 
cheap. Dealer price on a set with upper and lower bearings is  $1400.


Thanks

-Dave Walton


On 9/5/05, Rick Knoble 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's apart, I would change ALL the rods. I 
wouldn't call it cheap insurance , but it is 
insurance. The rest of the rods will bend 
eventually. I would also upgrade anything the 
factory changed on their replacement engines. I 
don't know what changes were made, but it is likely someone here does.

Just my 02¢
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]dave walton
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
I originally removed the head because of wicked 
oil burning that turned out to be caused by a 
blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not 
coming up as much as the others, so I pulled the 
engine. The #1 connecting rod is bent, but the 
cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within 
.006 of round. The #1 cylinder is indeed the 
most ovaled, but the original honing marks are 
still visible all around the cylinder wall, so 
I'm going to live with it and hope for the best.


I just got a digital caliper and remeasured 
everything. The #1 rod is 0.36mm shorter than 
the new one. It is also slightly bent to the 
side and ever so slightly twisted. The opening 
for the bottom bearing has enlarged 0.07mm horizontally and 0.02mm vertically.


-Dave Walton


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Re: [MBZ] old benzes was Re: Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread JabbaHursty

but new benzes have new bosch, which makes old lucas look like the 
paradigm of reliability



At 01:14 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:

Huh? old Benzes don't have Lucas (i.e. Prince of Darkness) electrics...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]JabbaHursty
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

as i have said many times before, in ten years, old benz owners will 
be looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners.



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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

2005-09-02 Thread JabbaHursty

it has to do as well with the government having given up on the 
concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of 
its citizens.  I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any 
responsibilities.


look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the 
carnage in new orleans to continue unabated.


useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though


At 10:17 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

JabbaHursty wrote:
 what we have now is pretty terrible though.  this country is no longer a
 place for decent working folk, largely because cheap safe housing is
 becoming non-existent.

Oh, I agree with you there.  That situation has nothing to do with the
presence or lack of guns, however, and everything to do with economic
forces in the housing market.  I suspect a big factor is that we've just
come out of a long stagnant period where real estate was viewed as the
only safe investment.

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Re: [MBZ] Fast, cheap and out of control (was Re: GUNS)

2005-09-02 Thread JabbaHursty

i am not saying their should be no government, just that the governments 
duties should more limited


I think protecting the citizenry from civil unrest is a legitimate 
undertaking for the government.



At 11:26 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it has to do as well with the government having given up on the
 concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of
 its citizens.  I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any
 responsibilities.

It's inevitable, given the path that the citizens have (at least implicitly)
endorsed, namely bigger, faster, cheaper and gimme more. This is one of the
central head-scratchers for Canadians, with reference to our neighbours: you
in one breath proclaim that too much government is bad, yet in the next you
still express a desire for government to, in essence, protect you from
yourselves. How you expect your government to do both, eludes us.

On a wider note, it is also insanely ironical that the generation now 'in
charge' of this meltdown is none other than the hippie generation. The
hippie movement was always loaded down with fascists, a fact its membership
continues to actively repress from the general history and public mythology
of the time. It is no wonder that, when given the opportunity to be robber
barons instead of unwashed burners of university ROTC offices, they have
chosen to screw everyone but themselves into the ground. As big a problem as
ENRON may have been, it was only one small symptom of the bigger disease.

In this respect the U.S. and Canada are the same: the increasing gap between
the rich and poor, put alongside the 'culture of contentment' (big homes,
two SUVs in the driveway, overly empowered teenagers, etc.) is a recipe for
more chaos, to mention of social meltdown should another continental
catastrophe occur.

Witness events yesterday afternoon where I live, Aylmer, a town of maybe
70,000 across the river from Canada's capital, Ottawa. When gas prices shot
up, two stations (same oil company) on the main street for some reason did
no hike their prices, so I guess they were pumping for 90c/gal under
everyone else.

My god, remember the old news pics of the frantic chaos at the start of the
first 'oil crisis'? Now I've seen it. The police had to be called to restore
order. When I drove by at about 5 p.m. there were probably 20 cars at the
one station, 30-40  at the other, all crammed in, in different directions,
people angry, waits were probably 30-60 minutes easy. (By those numbers I am
counting only those cars on the station lot. There were lineups in both
directions, on both sides of the street.)

But HERE is the kicker: I would have expected to see the SUV and pickups
owners in line. They would have saved a bundle. Nope, all small cars, Korean
and old Japanese beaters. That to me said a lot about how the social
dynamics of any coming crisis will play out.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] hursty should buy this


oh, man, hursty do like!


At 09:13 AM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
Add to my list of dream cars, tho I could do without a black sweatbox 
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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


no, just because there is one on every corner

At 03:48 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
Are Waffle Houses so popular among the stick-em-up set because their 
waffles cost $25.00 each?


On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
me too


At 03:34 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

I thought this topic was dead?

On 8/31/05, kweimer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about Waffle Houses in North Georgia, but where I live in 
the Atlanta metro area...Conyers in particularWaffle Houses here have 
yellow signs that prohibit entering the Waffle House with a 
firearmtake time to read that yellow sign high up on the wall on the 
end of the parking lot.  Only one Waffle House in my town has the old 
white sign...I don't go into Waffle Houses that have the yellow sign.  If 
I can't go in with my Colt .45, I don't go in.  Same with Pawn Shops that 
have No Loaded Firearms Permitted on the front door or window.

Ken

--- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]JabbaHursty
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

i agree with that.  i think gun control is a great contributor to 
crime.  walk into any waffle house in North Georgia and every man is 
armed.  think there are a lot of robberies of waffle houses in north georgia?
i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you 
can't watch the news without hearing about another child mauled by the 
neighbors pit bull.  i'm yet to hear this story involving a golden retriever.


At 12:23 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
YEPTHEY oughta ban another thing and another and another until THEY 
control everything.  WE as citizens need to police ourselves ALOT more 
and let THEM worry about the important things a government is supposed 
to tend to.
  People had alot more respect for each other and life in general was 
better when you were hung for stealing a horse and nearly everyone 
carried a firearm.  Even a stupid criminal will think twice if they 
KNOW that the intended victim is armed.


My $.02, Mike
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]andrew strasfogel
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
They oughta ban pit bulls like they just did in Toronna.


On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the dog thing is out of control.  all the kids like to dress up as gang 
bangers and get pit bulls.  they don't care for the animals and they end 
up just roaming the area.  animal control couldn't care less because the 
government has long ago given up caring about the welfare of its 
citizens in major metro area.  just another reason why it's foolish not 
to be packing heat.  the kids are just playing gangsta, so no worries 
with them, but the dogs are real.

At 11:54 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Shooting perps is one thing, but shooting dogs??
On 8/30/05, LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Having met you, I find that to be really surprising.
On 8/30/05, Christopher McCann 
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I was tempted to shoot the neighbors dog with my
PPK/S. I think Kate would have done it herself if I
gave her the gun!
Christopher
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 with defending his guests.
 Or was that just Luther trying to defend his
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 thing this year?

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Re: [MBZ] Gun guys, U were politely asked to take it elsewhere


kleb is the best!  pretty clever too, for an okie


At 03:50 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

I don't know Kaleb and I don't administer a list, but
my guestimation is that, even w/ robots, it's still a
lot of work for one person.  Since I haven't said it
before: thanks, Kaleb.

DG

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 yeah, i agree.  it would be bad to make kleb do
 stuff.  his job is to do
 nothing.  oh, no, wait, that is dickarde's job

 At 03:16 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
 Don't put admin. in the position of having to
 actively
 censor the list.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Gun guys, U were politely asked to take it elsewhere


thanks you, thank you

at least i still have some fans  :)


At 06:02 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

hahah!

On 8/31/05, Mitch Haley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JabbaHursty wrote:

 everyone talks about cars on the gun lists

 At 04:40 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

  Ya i agree, join a gun list

I thought they talked about trucks on the gun lists.

In keeping with Gabe's suggestion:

Forums by the dozen:
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/index.phphttp://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/index.php?

Like political discussions?
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/display_news.asphttp://www.keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/display_news.asp

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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

what we have now is pretty terrible though.  this country is no longer a 
place for decent working folk, largely because cheap safe housing is 
becoming non-existent.


if you have the money, you can buy your way out of this malaise and just 
watch it on tv.  if you come up short, though, it's a pretty bad situation.


At 09:52 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Mike Canfield wrote:
   People had alot more respect for each other and life in general was
 better when you were hung for stealing a horse and nearly everyone
 carried a firearm.

'Course, you got hung if people *thought* you stole a horse.  Whether
you actually did it or not was unimportant, back then.  Such is
vigilantism.  Thanks, but I'd rather stick with what we've got now.

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this car is the starting point for both this very community and also 
BuyMBparts.  it needs to be taken to claremore, OK right away to become the 
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It is my sad duty to inform you that the Hurstmobile, a 1971
Mercedes-Benz 250 sedan, has passed beyond this vale of tears and is
now growling around in Mercedes Valhalla.

Until its untimely demise, the Hurstmobile was noted for its unusual
longevity of ownership in the community of bottomdwelling Benz
ownership, where most beaters are like doorknobs (everyone gets a
turn).  By contrast, I owned the Hurstmobile for nearly seven years.

The Hurstmobile's most notable achievement was its historic trek from
Philadelphia to Arkansas in 2003.  It was also famous for being a
survivor of a crackhouse shooting in Atlanta, bearing a bullet-dented
rear bulkhead to the end.  In addition, the cheery admonition OH, GO
AHEAD AND TOUCH IT brought smiles to car-show attendees across
Northwest Arkansas weary of the DO NOT TOUCH signs from other
owners who didn't want their trailer queens smudged.

Cause of death was related to a connecting rod heading starboard
through the oil pan and engine block.  Death was nearly
instantaneous, and marked with a deathplume reminiscent of an ME-109
being shot down over Europe.

The remains may be viewed at a truck repair shop in Morilton,
Arkansas.  (SEKRIT MESSAGE FOR KLEB:  APPROXIMATELY 500 MILE ROUND
TRIP.  NOT WORTH IT.)

In lieu of flowers, I could use an automatic tranny for the
Hurstmobile's survivor, a 1972 280SE.

Let us not mourn the passing of the Hurstmobile, but rather celebrate its 
life.


And remember, there is a little bit of the I-40 eastbound shoulder
near mile marker 110 in Arkansas that is now forever Stuttgart...

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Re: [MBZ] Gun guys, U were politely asked to take it elsewhere



yes, i really ought to go use that forum.  shame so few of us use it.

At 12:37 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

Gun lovers, please avail yourselves of this valuable and free service:
http://www.buymbparts.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2577#post2577

On 8/31/05, David Goldsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don't put admin. in the position of having to actively
 censor the list.

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Re: [MBZ] Reality


that list is still running???  OMG.  how many are on it?

i also think the original dave realtime list is running. esa ahola to all!


At 12:44 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

No, you are not in the minority.  As I have said many times before, if
the subject only applies to MB stuff, it will get mighty boring around
here.  Off topic is fine as long as flame wars dont start.  If you want
an idea of a boring list, check out the wagoneers list.  Its mighty
boring over there.

JabbaHursty wrote:

 i kind of like the idea of a more open conversation.  many do not.  i
 don't think this matter will ever be settled adequately for either side
 as it has been debated for nearly a decade and is no closer to
 resolution now than then.

 my idea is a community of mercedes enthusiasts that is not just about
 (nor even necessarily primarily about) mercedes enthusiasm.  i am
 probably in the minority here.


 At 10:11 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the last two messages on that subject were not
 even about the subject. Shouldn't someone have changed the subject?
 And if we count the number of posts on guns do we count the ones
 complaining about the people talking about guns?

 Where is Gabriels MB subject matter like I was taken to task over? You
 see, we whine about whatever isn't of interest to us. If guns offend
 you delete, just like I do whenever I see oil, diesel mileage, etc.

 Kinder, gentler, warm and fuzzy. That's the new millenium
 way ;-)

 Ken


 In a message dated 8/31/2005 6:28:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Its fixing to be, nobody seems to get the message that the gun
 topic is
 over so I guess I will have to filter it then.

 Gabriel S. wrote:

  I thought this topic was dead?
 
  On 8/31/05, kweimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Reality

yes, many of us should have shown more respect for the wishes of the list 
admin in this case lest we turn into the Superdome.


my concern is the mention of this possibly breaking up the lists


At 12:49 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

my idea is a community of mercedes enthusiasts that
is not just about (nor even necessarily primarily
about) mercedes enthusiasm.  i am probably in the
minority here. 

A community of one dimensional MB enthusiasts who have
nothing else to talk about other than MB is kinda
frightening. I (although not very knowledgeable) have
tons of enthusiasm (Mercedes, the love that never
dies). I guess the OT can get out of hand sometimes,
but that's what the admin is for. On the gun topic, he
said, STOP and many did not. I did, even though I
have plenty to say on the topic. If we respect the
admin and be ourselves, I think we have a pretty cool
e-community. OkieQ proves it. It was great.

Love  NIF's (Nice internal feelings) to all,

Chrisotpher

--- JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i kind of like the idea of a more open conversation.
  many do not.  i don't
 think this matter will ever be settled adequately
 for either side as it has
 been debated for nearly a decade and is no closer to
 resolution now than
 then.

 my idea is a community of mercedes enthusiasts that
 is not just about (nor
 even necessarily primarily about) mercedes
 enthusiasm.  i am probably in
 the minority here.


 At 10:11 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
 It seems to me that the last two messages on that
 subject were not even
 about the subject. Shouldn't someone have changed
 the subject? And if we
 count the number of posts on guns do we count the
 ones complaining about
 the people talking about guns?
 
 Where is Gabriels MB subject matter like I was
 taken to task over? You
 see, we whine about whatever isn't of interest to
 us. If guns offend you
 delete, just like I do whenever I see oil, diesel
 mileage, etc.
 
 Kinder, gentler, warm and fuzzy. That's the new
 millenium way ;-)
 
 Ken
 
 
 In a message dated 8/31/2005 6:28:15 PM Pacific
 Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
 format=flowed
 
 Its fixing to be, nobody seems to get the message
 that the gun topic is
 over so I guess I will have to filter it then.
 
 Gabriel S. wrote:
 
   I thought this topic was dead?
  
   On 8/31/05, kweimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [MBZ] Reality


so it seems more people agree with my view than i thought


At 02:35 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

Tom,

I agree.  We (us on this list) have made many webfriends.  I really 
appreciate some broad tolerance on a variety of topics.  We came together 
as Mercedes-Benz owners, but have gained a lot of insight thru non MB 
topics.


In this environment as in life, we have to develop some tolerance and 
acknowledge that everyone does not look at things in the same way.  IMHO, 
that is why there is a DELETE button on every keyboard.


That said, we all need to pay special attention to the Subject line of 
every email we post, allowing each of us to exercise our 
personal/individual censorship (Delete Before Reading) on our inbox).


Take care and be safe

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Potter, Tom E wrote:

I am in your camp. I am interested in other aspects of my 
webfriends'  (if I may call you folks that) lives as well.



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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, please read-Gun topic


I don't go to banned.  all scum over there


At 08:32 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

dang, haven't heard it being called the F-Bomb since I worked with mormons.

On 8/30/05, Kaleb C. Striplin 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK folks, the gun topic has gone on long enough here.  We would love to
continue it over on banned which is more appropriate for off topic
stuff.  So please, no more gun discussions here.  Have had a few
instances of the F-bomb being dropped which if an accident is one thing,
but we need to watch that as well.

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Re: [MBZ] Benz / guns (my only post, I promise, and please no responses)

it's just a matter of trying to be prepared.  It's like collision 
insurance.  some people got it and some people don't, but no one is 
planning to run into a tree


At 09:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
I had no idea that half of the folks on this list(s) were going to work 
each day packing heat. I've lived/worked in or around three of our most 
violent cities and NEVER felt the need to carry a handgun around with me 
-- Boston, NYC and DC. I drove thru a six block length of crack houses to 
get to work at USCG HQ every morning for two tours. I used to walk around 
NYC for pleasure. The most I protected myself was an 8 hunting knife 
under the seat of my MG when I was stationed in NYC and that was only 
because I'd have to wait sometimes around Battery Park (car top down) in 
the wee hours of the morning in line waiting for the ferry boat to arrive 
for the ride to the island on which the base was situated -- a ferry boat 
that ran only every half hour.


In a half century of life, I've never been in a situation where I thought 
my life was threatened to the point that I would have drawn a weapon. 
(Guns have no influence on out-of-control airplanes, motorcycles, or cars.)


Jabba, I expect this of you.
Chris, I am somewhat in shock.
Kleb, you live in Oklahoma so what can I say.

Honestly, guys, has our country become so paranoid that the last thing we 
kiss goodnight is the .357 on our nightstand?


Any job openings in IT up in Canada?

Sorry to do another gun post, Kaleb, but I just had to. I shall say no 
more and certainly pray that I've not started a new thread.




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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

i agree with that.  i think gun control is a great contributor to 
crime.  walk into any waffle house in North Georgia and every man is 
armed.  think there are a lot of robberies of waffle houses in north georgia?


i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you can't 
watch the news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors 
pit bull.  i'm yet to hear this story involving a golden retriever.



At 12:23 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
YEPTHEY oughta ban another thing and another and another until THEY 
control everything.  WE as citizens need to police ourselves ALOT more and 
let THEM worry about the important things a government is supposed to tend to.
  People had alot more respect for each other and life in general was 
better when you were hung for stealing a horse and nearly everyone 
carried a firearm.  Even a stupid criminal will think twice if they KNOW 
that the intended victim is armed.


My $.02, Mike
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]andrew strasfogel
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

They oughta ban pit bulls like they just did in Toronna.



On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the dog thing is out of control.  all the kids like to dress up as gang 
bangers and get pit bulls.  they don't care for the animals and they end 
up just roaming the area.  animal control couldn't care less because the 
government has long ago given up caring about the welfare of its citizens 
in major metro area.  just another reason why it's foolish not to be 
packing heat.  the kids are just playing gangsta, so no worries with them, 
but the dogs are real.



At 11:54 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Shooting perps is one thing, but shooting dogs??

On 8/30/05, LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having met you, I find that to be really surprising.
On 8/30/05, Christopher McCann 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

I was tempted to shoot the neighbors dog with my
PPK/S. I think Kate would have done it herself if I
gave her the gun!
Christopher
--- LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No no, Don -- during the OkieQ Kaleb is concerned
 with defending his guests.
 Or was that just Luther trying to defend his
 chastity from a sweet young
 thing this year?

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  And how often do you ned to defend your family
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Re: [MBZ] Cars of which we dare not speak....


asking any don is the same as asking me.  didn't you read the small print?


At 12:11 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

I didn't ask you.

On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no

At 12:04 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
OK Don, is my 1980s Nikon N2000 camera and its 200mm, 28mm, and f 1.4 50 
mm Nikkor lenses collectible?



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You'd think the SLC would be collectable - or at least desirable, but
it's the cheapest of the 107s now. It was the top-of-the-line MB when
new, and the production numbers are WAY lower than the SL.
Most Lieca cameras are collectable if they're in good shape. You'd
think a limited product run model like the M4-2, only produced for
three years, '77 - '79 - would be collectable. They are amoung the
least expensive of the black chrome cameras. Go figure -- -- --
I am going to let off on the SDL this tank to see if the mileage
improves. I guess not EVERY stop has to be an Italian tune-up
opportunity!
On 8/30/05, Christopher McCann 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Observation from people who collect other things - the
 things that become collectable are OFTEN (not always)
 what is NOT considered collectable at first. The
 collection of all 50 state quarters will NEVER be
 worth anything, b/c a million people (including my
 mom) are collecting them. Something common, like an
 SD, which is NOT a collectors car, if kept in great
 shape, just might be someday. NO ONE collects SD's.

 Now the rub is initial cost a production #'s. A car
 that only has 1200 made - will be collectable even if
 it were a Yugo, probably. A million dollar car, will
 be a collectable.

 Anyway, just an observation.

 P.S. I drive the crap out of my SD, just like OK Don.

 Chris


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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

i've never met a golden retriever that has been anything but friendly.  the 
other day, i was cleaning my car out and my neighbors golden retrievers 
hopped in the back thinking we were going for a ride.  so i went for a ride 
with them.  nice dogs


also, there is a difference between being bitten and being mauled beyond 
recognition.  sure, any dog can bite.  if your kid gets bitten by a golden 
retriever, it's not a good thing. but when i pit bull goes after your kid, 
it's a whole different thing


At 01:40 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Goldens I think have the highest bite rate of any breed. Probably
mainly because they're so common, but you don't hear about them
because they're not labelled an aggressive breed.

Just yesterday the new ban on Pit Bulls in Toronto went into effect.
Existing Pit Bulls (not even a real breed but a mix) require a
muzzle, leash, and fixing. No buying or breeding from now on. Thing
is, it's wishy washy and owners of other breeds like German Sheppards,
Dobermans, Rottweillers and the like are very nervous now.

It's a bogus law and not based on reality, but the perception created
by the media. Any dog can be made aggressive by upbringing, and any
can be docile the same way. Punish the owners instead.

How long before my 105 lb Chesapeake Bay Retreiver is banned?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/31/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 JabbaHursty wrote:
 
  i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you 
can't watch the
  news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors pit 
bull.  i'm yet to

  hear this story involving a golden retriever.
 

 I've heard it with Goldens, they are often less stable than Labradors 
for example.
 You don't want to base your perception of reality on thinking what you 
see in
 the news is what happens more often, it's largely that the 
Staffordshires (pits)

 get more attention in the media.

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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

in areas where there is no crime to begin with, there is no reason for a 
handgun.  if i lived in japan, i wouldn't have any feeling of need to pack 
a .45.


The USA is a different deal.  the fact is that in many areas of this 
country, violent crime is an everyday thing.



At 01:42 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

By that faulty logic, Canada, Japan and England should be cesspools of crime.

The only crime that gets the news in Toronto is all the handgun
homicides, at least 1/2 of which occur due to guns smuggled in from
the US.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i agree with that.  i think gun control is a great contributor to crime.
 walk into any waffle house in North Georgia and every man is armed.  think
 there are a lot of robberies of waffle houses in north georgia?

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Re: [MBZ] Benz / guns (my only post, I promise, and please no responses)


here in the deep south, every household i know of has a gun

At 01:48 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Well, I'm sure I could find you an IT job at my place Don.

I work in a BIG provincial crime lab (200 employees) with an arsenal
down the hallway in the middle of the red light district of Canada's
biggest city and homicide capital. My home, Toronto. I dodge street
urchins everyday to and from my car to my office (I park blocks away)
and during breaks through the day when I go out for a coffee or lunch.

I too have never needed the need to carry a handgun, not that I could
if I wanted to anyway.

We up here constantly just shake our heads in wonder at this everyone
must have a gun mentality down south. It really is quite baffling and
twisted logic.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/30/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had no idea that half of the folks on this list(s) were going to work 
each

 day packing heat. I've lived/worked in or around three of our most violent
 cities and NEVER felt the need to carry a handgun around with me -- Boston,
 NYC and DC. I drove thru a six block length of crack houses to get to work
 at USCG HQ every morning for two tours. I used to walk around NYC for
 pleasure. The most I protected myself was an 8 hunting knife under the 
seat

 of my MG when I was stationed in NYC and that was only because I'd have to
 wait sometimes around Battery Park (car top down) in the wee hours of the
 morning in line waiting for the ferry boat to arrive for the ride to the
 island on which the base was situated -- a ferry boat that ran only every
 half hour.

  In a half century of life, I've never been in a situation where I thought
 my life was threatened to the point that I would have drawn a weapon. (Guns
 have no influence on out-of-control airplanes, motorcycles, or cars.)

  Jabba, I expect this of you.
  Chris, I am somewhat in shock.
  Kleb, you live in Oklahoma so what can I say.

  Honestly, guys, has our country become so paranoid that the last thing we
 kiss goodnight is the .357 on our nightstand?

  Any job openings in IT up in Canada?

  Sorry to do another gun post, Kaleb, but I just had to. I shall say no 
more

 and certainly pray that I've not started a new thread.



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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

brilliant, huh?

At 01:57 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Of course, the content is another matter entirely!

On 8/31/05, andrew strasfogel
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like the fact that Hursty writes in the style of Don Marquis' archy and
mehitibel - no upper case letters. So much more readable...

On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've never met a golden retriever that has been anything but friendly. the
other day, i was cleaning my car out and my neighbors golden retrievers
hopped in the back thinking we were going for a ride. so i went for a ride
with them. nice dogs

also, there is a difference between being bitten and being mauled beyond
recognition. sure, any dog can bite. if your kid gets bitten by a golden
retriever, it's not a good thing. but when i pit bull goes after your kid,
it's a whole different thing

At 01:40 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
Goldens I think have the highest bite rate of any breed. Probably
mainly because they're so common, but you don't hear about them
because they're not labelled an aggressive breed.

Just yesterday the new ban on Pit Bulls in Toronto went into effect.
Existing Pit Bulls (not even a real breed but a mix) require a
muzzle, leash, and fixing. No buying or breeding from now on. Thing
is, it's wishy washy and owners of other breeds like German Sheppards,
Dobermans, Rottweillers and the like are very nervous now.

It's a bogus law and not based on reality, but the perception created
by the media. Any dog can be made aggressive by upbringing, and any
can be docile the same way. Punish the owners instead.

How long before my 105 lb Chesapeake Bay Retreiver is banned?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/31/05, Mitch Haley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JabbaHursty wrote:

i don't like the pit bulls though. they are dangerous animals. you
can't watch the
news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors pit
bull. i'm yet to
hear this story involving a golden retriever.

I've heard it with Goldens, they are often less stable than Labradors
for example.
You don't want to base your perception of reality on thinking what you
see in
the news is what happens more often, it's largely that the
Staffordshires (pits)
get more attention in the media.

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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


a perfect guy for Dr Easley

At 03:07 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
So...it seems that the worst possible thing on the planet would be a 
pistol packin' Golden Retriever who asks questions about Mobil 1, who 
inquires about ALDA adjustments, who has input on any computer/server/list 
splitting discussions, who doesn't know his car's 0-60 time down to the 
.001 sec, and who drives a rod-bender.


Bob Rentfro
'77300D 138K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]JabbaHursty
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

brilliant, huh?

At 01:57 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Of course, the content is another matter entirely!

On 8/31/05, andrew strasfogel 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like the fact that Hursty writes in the style of Don Marquis' archy 
and mehitibel - no upper case letters.  So much more readable...

On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
i've never met a golden retriever that has been anything but friendly.  the
other day, i was cleaning my car out and my neighbors golden retrievers
hopped in the back thinking we were going for a ride.  so i went for a ride
with them.  nice dogs
also, there is a difference between being bitten and being mauled beyond
recognition.  sure, any dog can bite.  if your kid gets bitten by a golden
retriever, it's not a good thing. but when i pit bull goes after your kid,
it's a whole different thing
At 01:40 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
Goldens I think have the highest bite rate of any breed. Probably
mainly because they're so common, but you don't hear about them
because they're not labelled an aggressive breed.

Just yesterday the new ban on Pit Bulls in Toronto went into effect.
Existing Pit Bulls (not even a real breed but a mix) require a
muzzle, leash, and fixing. No buying or breeding from now on. Thing
is, it's wishy washy and owners of other breeds like German Sheppards,
Dobermans, Rottweillers and the like are very nervous now.

It's a bogus law and not based on reality, but the perception created
by the media. Any dog can be made aggressive by upbringing, and any
can be docile the same way. Punish the owners instead.

How long before my 105 lb Chesapeake Bay Retreiver is banned?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/31/05, Mitch Haley  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JabbaHursty wrote:
  
   i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you
 can't watch the
   news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors pit
 bull.  i'm yet to
   hear this story involving a golden retriever.
  
 
  I've heard it with Goldens, they are often less stable than Labradors
 for example.
  You don't want to base your perception of reality on thinking what you
 see in
  the news is what happens more often, it's largely that the
 Staffordshires (pits)
  get more attention in the media.

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Re: [MBZ] Gun guys, U were politely asked to take it elsewhere

yeah, i agree.  it would be bad to make kleb do stuff.  his job is to do 
nothing.  oh, no, wait, that is dickarde's job


At 03:16 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Don't put admin. in the position of having to actively
censor the list.

DG




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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


spoken like a true old school Southerner!

At 03:21 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
I don't know about Waffle Houses in North Georgia, but where I live in the 
Atlanta metro area...Conyers in particularWaffle Houses here have 
yellow signs that prohibit entering the Waffle House with a 
firearmtake time to read that yellow sign high up on the wall on the 
end of the parking lot.  Only one Waffle House in my town has the old 
white sign...I don't go into Waffle Houses that have the yellow sign.  If 
I can't go in with my Colt .45, I don't go in.  Same with Pawn Shops that 
have No Loaded Firearms Permitted on the front door or window.

Ken

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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

i agree with that.  i think gun control is a great contributor to 
crime.  walk into any waffle house in North Georgia and every man is 
armed.  think there are a lot of robberies of waffle houses in north georgia?


i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you can't 
watch the news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors 
pit bull.  i'm yet to hear this story involving a golden retriever.



At 12:23 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
YEPTHEY oughta ban another thing and another and another until THEY 
control everything.  WE as citizens need to police ourselves ALOT more 
and let THEM worry about the important things a government is supposed to 
tend to.
  People had alot more respect for each other and life in general was 
better when you were hung for stealing a horse and nearly everyone 
carried a firearm.  Even a stupid criminal will think twice if they KNOW 
that the intended victim is armed.


My $.02, Mike
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]andrew strasfogel
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
They oughta ban pit bulls like they just did in Toronna.



On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the dog thing is out of control.  all the kids like to dress up as gang 
bangers and get pit bulls.  they don't care for the animals and they end 
up just roaming the area.  animal control couldn't care less because the 
government has long ago given up caring about the welfare of its citizens 
in major metro area.  just another reason why it's foolish not to be 
packing heat.  the kids are just playing gangsta, so no worries with 
them, but the dogs are real.


At 11:54 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Shooting perps is one thing, but shooting dogs??
On 8/30/05, LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having met you, I find that to be really surprising.
On 8/30/05, Christopher McCann 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

I was tempted to shoot the neighbors dog with my
PPK/S. I think Kate would have done it herself if I
gave her the gun!
Christopher
--- LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No no, Don -- during the OkieQ Kaleb is concerned
 with defending his guests.
 Or was that just Luther trying to defend his
 chastity from a sweet young
 thing this year?

 On 8/29/05, OK Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And how often do you ned to defend your family
 (other than during the
  OkieQue) ???
 
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


me too

At 03:34 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

I thought this topic was dead?

On 8/31/05, kweimer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
I don't know about Waffle Houses in North Georgia, but where I live in the 
Atlanta metro area...Conyers in particularWaffle Houses here have 
yellow signs that prohibit entering the Waffle House with a 
firearmtake time to read that yellow sign high up on the wall on the 
end of the parking lot.  Only one Waffle House in my town has the old 
white sign...I don't go into Waffle Houses that have the yellow sign.  If 
I can't go in with my Colt .45, I don't go in.  Same with Pawn Shops that 
have No Loaded Firearms Permitted on the front door or window.

Ken

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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


i agree with that.  i think gun control is a great contributor to 
crime.  walk into any waffle house in North Georgia and every man is 
armed.  think there are a lot of robberies of waffle houses in north georgia?


i don't like the pit bulls though.  they are dangerous animals.  you can't 
watch the news without hearing about another child mauled by the neighbors 
pit bull.  i'm yet to hear this story involving a golden retriever.



At 12:23 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
YEPTHEY oughta ban another thing and another and another until THEY 
control everything.  WE as citizens need to police ourselves ALOT more 
and let THEM worry about the important things a government is supposed to 
tend to.
  People had alot more respect for each other and life in general was 
better when you were hung for stealing a horse and nearly everyone 
carried a firearm.  Even a stupid criminal will think twice if they KNOW 
that the intended victim is armed.


My $.02, Mike
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]andrew strasfogel
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
They oughta ban pit bulls like they just did in Toronna.



On 8/31/05, JabbaHursty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the dog thing is out of control.  all the kids like to dress up as gang 
bangers and get pit bulls.  they don't care for the animals and they end 
up just roaming the area.  animal control couldn't care less because the 
government has long ago given up caring about the welfare of its citizens 
in major metro area.  just another reason why it's foolish not to be 
packing heat.  the kids are just playing gangsta, so no worries with 
them, but the dogs are real.


At 11:54 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Shooting perps is one thing, but shooting dogs??
On 8/30/05, LT Don mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having met you, I find that to be really surprising.
On 8/30/05, Christopher McCann 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

I was tempted to shoot the neighbors dog with my
PPK/S. I think Kate would have done it herself if I
gave her the gun!
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Re: [MBZ] Gun guys, U were politely asked to take it elsewhere


everyone talks about cars on the gun lists

At 04:40 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

Ya i agree, join a gun list

On 8/31/05, David Goldsmith 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know Kaleb and I don't administer a list, but
my guestimation is that, even w/ robots, it's still a
lot of work for one person.  Since I haven't said it
before: thanks, Kaleb.

DG

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 yeah, i agree.  it would be bad to make kleb do
 stuff.  his job is to do
 nothing.  oh, no, wait, that is dickarde's job

 At 03:16 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
 Don't put admin. in the position of having to
 actively
 censor the list.
 
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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY


yes, a real american, that kleb :)


At 09:04 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote:

Have not had any minorities breaking in yet, but then again, Im out in
the country and usually only need my weapons to shoot dogs that break
into my back yard and try to knock up my husky.

OK Don wrote:

 And how often do you ned to defend your family (other than during the
 OkieQue) ???


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no wonder we can't end the war!


At 09:28 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW I heard our forces in Iraq are trading their 9mm to 45's on their
 own dime.

U, no.  Do you know how much hell a soldier would catch for trying to
smuggle a personal weapon from here to overseas?  And when he runs out of
ammunition, what then?  It's not like the army is keeping crates of .45 
laying

around the desert when the issued sidearm uses 9mm.

On the otherhand, many soldiers *are* bringing their own magazines, 
optics, etc.

  But not firearms.

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Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!


my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to break 
the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if 
you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i leave 
at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm 
carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as easily 
as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few 
rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking is 
simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our one hour firearms  course has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
 People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
 guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When you
 are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out very
 early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them.  Sort of
 takes the mystery out of it and they dont go messing with them when you
 are not at home.  I have plenty of weapons all loaded up and ready to go
 around the house and the kids know not to mess with them.  They have no
 interest in messing with them. Now on the other hand, when we get to the
 stage of them having friends over, a different approach will have to be
 taken as most other kids will not have this sort of training.






I agree with you 100 percent. I was raised in a house with loaded guns
available all the time, and we never played with them. We were taught
what guns could do. We watched livestock and game die from a gunshot, so
the danger was impressed on us. Nowadays, folks don't want to
traumatize their kids, so the kids never really KNOW the dangers of
discharging a firearm.

Also, Mr. Policeman and his ilk think that because they took a one-hour
course in firearm

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!


rusty and I own the company.  rusty doesn't seem to mind




At 01:55 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C5AD8B.F9179CD3

Good plan. Only problem we have here is that companies hassle you if you 
have a weapon in the parking lot. It does not matter that it is locked in 
the glove compartment; they consider it having a weapon on company 
property. BTW, there have been several abductions and rapes in our parking 
garage in the past few years.



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Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JabbaHursty

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to 
break the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, 
but if you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i 
leave at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but 
i'm carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
easily as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a 
few rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking 
is simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our one hour firearms  course has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
 People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
 guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When you
 are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out very
 early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them.  Sort of
 takes the mystery out

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

the door is locked.  he'd have to break it open to enter.  i imagine this 
would even wake me up



At 02:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

The I'll wake up  catch him theory is all wrong.

I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom. 
The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I 
waited a few moments  sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through 
and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person 
was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame SW .357 
in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had 
not woken up.


I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.

I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt. 
Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some 
serious pain!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



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To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to 
break the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, 
but if you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i 
leave at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but 
i'm carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
easily as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a 
few rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking 
is simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our one hour firearms  course has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
 People who keep their guns locked up etc probably

Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

he started with a .25 beretta and then went to 7.62.  7.62mm is .32 
ACP.  .380 is 9mm, but shorter than the more popular 9mm luger




At 04:20 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear to it, but I 
remember it being a .380 beretta then he had the 7.62 Walther PPK



Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JabbaHursty wrote:

 can you believe that bond carried a .32?

In the books, M confiscated his Beretta (I think it was .25ACP) 
and gave him a PPK.
I think he had to do it more than once, James liked those little 
Italian things.


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it's an endless source of debate, but there seems more to it than 
calculating simple force


 i tend to be in the big and slow camp.  230grain hollowpoint .45 
ACP is my choice for carry.  in terms of a defensive handgun, my 
thought is .45 ACP or .357 magnum


i just got the casull to be stupid.  i do intend to get proficient 
with it though, but i don't imagine it will ever be a practical 
defensive weapon




At 04:27 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:


The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm simply 
has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.


.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but it 
also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some sort 
of recoil reducing device.




-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

i can't  really fully grasp why the military changed from such a 
completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911.  i'm told it was 
cost savings.  i also suspect that the influx of women into the 
military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not 
be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the 
9 is more comfortable to shoot)


also of interest is that units allowed to choose their own weapon do 
not choose 9s.  outside of NYPD, i can't think of any major force in 
law enforcement using 9mm.   i suppose the FBI is simply 
arithmetically challenged as well


At 04:30 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
I have to agree with you there Gary, I was in the army in the 80's 
when they switched to the M9 Beretta from the M1911 45. The only 
good thing about the M9 was capacity and weight. No knock down power 
and random problems with broken slides and jamming.  You get hit by 
a .45 slug, you darn well knew it.


JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans


At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side arm and a nickel
plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm.  The .45 was mostly on the
outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to stay centered for most
of the clip.  Then again, if there were a bear getting within 50 yards,
I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I would need is one bullet
to actually make contact.


On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:

  ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow --  Kleb has a
  .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the
  biggest handgun in the kingdom
 
  pretty sick, huh?
 
  will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of smith  wesson?
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


230 grain federal hydrashok .45ACP is what I'm betting on.


At 04:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
Higher velocity maybe, but if you need to use one in self defense 
they are totally worthless. I totally refused to carry the M9 and 
went with the M23 sig in .40 You run into someone messed up on drugs 
and the only thing a 9mm is going to do is p*ss them off. Two .45s 
slugs to the chest is going to knock them on their a$$



Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.


.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
it also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some 
sort of recoil reducing device.




-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
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9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans




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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


and the .45 is for serious guys while the 9 is a eurochic pellet gun, right?


At 05:12 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Force is mass*acceleration, kinetic energy is 1/2 * mv^2.

Sorry, too much engineering for me to let that go.

On 8/27/05, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
 Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher velocity
 than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm simply has more
 stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.

 .44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
it also has

 PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some sort of recoil
 reducing device.



 -Curt

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 9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans



  
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


it's referred to as 7.62MM though in the movies, so it would have to be a .32


At 06:02 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

NOPE. It was a .25 ACP Beretta that was replaced with
a 9mmKurz/.380 (same thing) PPK. Sure of it.

Christopher

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 you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
 to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
 he had the 7.62 Walther PPK


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 JabbaHursty wrote:
 
  can you believe that bond carried a .32?
 
 In the books, M confiscated his Beretta (I think it
 was .25ACP) and gave him a PPK.
 I think he had to do it more than once, James liked
 those little Italian things.
 
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40

At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it


Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.

--- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
 to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
 he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
 
 
  Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  JabbaHursty wrote:
  
   can you believe that bond carried a .32?

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


I sure am!  damn gun nuts


At 09:52 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Is anybody else tired of deleting this gun post thread

Chuck
On Aug 27, 2005, at 6:49 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:

 federal
 hydrashok
 230grain

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)


i don't go to banned anymore

At 09:55 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

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 Is anybody else tired of deleting this gun post thread

YEAH

I thought this is what Banned was for?

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!


what does this have to do with guns?


At 10:47 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

hue wong wrote:
 I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
 missed it and can't find it in the archives...


 So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge pegs
 at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???)   Then it
 doesn't go down when I let off the gas and let the
 motor idle

 I seem to think that it starts moving about after it
 warms up...( the car has sat for the last few months)
 But I want to make sure I'm not running it this way
 and it could cause damage!

 Any thoughts?

THAT'S exactly what it should do.



 Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the self-leveling
 suspensions?  I just read a reference to it in the
 Chilton's manual.  I thought they ran straight
 shocks...

ALL the 123 and 124 wagons have self leveling suspension.

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it may be something as they are sold cheaply in bulk to law enforcement


At 07:01 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
Never understood what was so great about the 
glock. just because it has a polymer frame and 
it can shoot under water. So can my sig


JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40

At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it


Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
 Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.
 
 --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The 7.65 Walther PPK is 32 Auto -- --
 
  On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
  to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
  he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
  
  
   Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   JabbaHursty wrote:
   
can you believe that bond carried a .32?
 
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