Re: [MBZ] no list digest for me
hi Dan! do you have any idea if there's any chance the link to Unsubscribe/Delivery Options might be getting fixed sometime soon? it still goes to some page where a password is required to proceed,... cheers! e On 25/Mar/15 11:02, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'll look into it, Rick. The admin interface got fixed last night, so maybe they blow something when they fixed the admin part That's Okiemail for you. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: i haven't received any list mails (in digest) for 24 hours what's up with that? i get all my other emails thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Unsubscribe or change delivery options?
sorry to bother all, but when i tried to research this in the archive, i got a coupla'-hunnert thousand results (that weren't sortable by date,...). going to the URL listed at the bottom of every post takes me to a cPanel site that asks me for a password; how do i find out what my password is? cheers! e To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Temporal Discontinuity
it's even more fun as you drive through the reservations,... driving into the Navajo nation from Arizona, you have to adjust to Navajo Time, since the Navajo nation straddles several states and they observe DST. drive into the Hopi nation (which is completely surrounded by the Navajo nation) you have to adjust back to AZ time, since the Hopi don't observe DST. adjust again as you come out of the Hopi Nation into the Navajo nation, and again as you leave the Navajo and come back to AZ,... confused yet? cheers! e On 10/Mar/15 06:43, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It's always great sport trying to figure out local Arizona time. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: fmiser wrote: I think HI and AZ are the only states that still don't. NM is seriously considering no DST - just to be like their neighbor, perhaps. Correct? Craig? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Temporal Discontinuity
correct. AZ doesn't observe DST, and neither do the Hopi, while the Navajo nation (part of which overlaps AZ and surrounds the Hopi Rez) does. cheers! e On 15/Mar/15 09:30, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yes! I thought AZ did NOT recognize DST. On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:03 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: it's even more fun as you drive through the reservations,... driving into the Navajo nation from Arizona, you have to adjust to Navajo Time, since the Navajo nation straddles several states and they observe DST. drive into the Hopi nation (which is completely surrounded by the Navajo nation) you have to adjust back to AZ time, since the Hopi don't observe DST. adjust again as you come out of the Hopi Nation into the Navajo nation, and again as you leave the Navajo and come back to AZ,... confused yet? cheers! e On 10/Mar/15 06:43, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It's always great sport trying to figure out local Arizona time. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: fmiser wrote: I think HI and AZ are the only states that still don't. NM is seriously considering no DST - just to be like their neighbor, perhaps. Correct? Craig? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Cat!
does yours actually still have the Particulate Trap? there were 2 separate campaigns to have those replaced, both were at no cost to the owner. (first one replaced the Trap; second one replaced that with something else.) if any previous owner ever took that car to the dealer, odds are that that Trap is long gone. IIRC, the part that was put in as part of the second campaign has a 126 P/N visible on it when installed. cheers! e On 19/Feb/15 12:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My 1985 CA version 300TD has a revered catalytic (trap) ozidizer, which I pet every night before going to bed. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do the authorities inspect and test where you are? Could you clean them all out and use the o2 simulators to avoid the issue, or is that going to produce other legal type problems? RB On 18/02/2015 5:50 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: This thing has four cats. A pair upstream off each manifold, then a pair downstream in the middle of the car clay On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If it's like the 99 e430 you can replace the right or left side separate Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:22 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found that the down stream cat (pass. side) has crumbled inside. Now the S430 (2002) sounds like it is being powered by a giant pepper grinder. Is it possible to just replace the misbehaving cat or do I need to do the whole dual cat pipe? If I can do single cat, will generic cat work, or must a OE cat be stuffed in there? Meineke or will I have to get on my knees at the dealer? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Bad Cat!
there were 2 campaigns; without knowing the numbers, i don't know if you've got the latest. or, call a dealer with your VIN; they should have the records for what they paid to replace.;-) cheers! e On 20/Feb/15 09:51, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My car has been through the campaign and has a replacement trap oxidizer. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:36 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: does yours actually still have the Particulate Trap? there were 2 separate campaigns to have those replaced, both were at no cost to the owner. (first one replaced the Trap; second one replaced that with something else.) if any previous owner ever took that car to the dealer, odds are that that Trap is long gone. IIRC, the part that was put in as part of the second campaign has a 126 P/N visible on it when installed. cheers! e On 19/Feb/15 12:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My 1985 CA version 300TD has a revered catalytic (trap) ozidizer, which I pet every night before going to bed. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do the authorities inspect and test where you are? Could you clean them all out and use the o2 simulators to avoid the issue, or is that going to produce other legal type problems? RB On 18/02/2015 5:50 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: This thing has four cats. A pair upstream off each manifold, then a pair downstream in the middle of the car clay On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If it's like the 99 e430 you can replace the right or left side separate Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:22 PM, clay via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found that the down stream cat (pass. side) has crumbled inside. Now the S430 (2002) sounds like it is being powered by a giant pepper grinder. Is it possible to just replace the misbehaving cat or do I need to do the whole dual cat pipe? If I can do single cat, will generic cat work, or must a OE cat be stuffed in there? Meineke or will I have to get on my knees at the dealer? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] interesting 123
word i've heard is the '85s had the higher rear-end ratio because the also have a different Injection Pump that was supposed to have help create a tad more HP. (downside is that those pumps also seem to have more electrical connection, so that they won't run with the battery disconnected like most other mechanical injection diesels.) cheers! e On 18/Feb/15 07:43, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I have always had trouble understanding rear end ratios. So, a lower number is a taller gear and you get better fuel mileage at the cost of acceleration, but you get higher top end speed? Is that right? Why would they want to reduce acceleration on a diesel? Is it because it has the turbo to help with acceleration and thus the trade off is mitigated? Don Snook -Original Message- From: Mike Gildea [mailto:mikgi...@icloud.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:11 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] interesting 123 Yes, the 85s are quicker off the line due to a high stall torque converter. Turbo engages almost immediately. It has a 2.88:1 rear end ratio for better fuel economy. It has a A/C cut out when flooring the throttle for more passing power. Has extra shift controls (vacuum) for smoother shifting. Mike G 2 85 300TDs Isn't there some weird stuff about the 85 that is unique. Don Snook __ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis
sounds very much like a Crankshaft Position Sensor failure i had on another vehicle. cheers! e On 17/Feb/15 10:25, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I know this is a Mercedes list, but I am having a problem with my BMW. It is a 2000 BMW 740iL with 216,000 miles. Yesterday I had to make a trip to a town about 35 miles away and it started acting up. It felt like a misfire. If I was going at a constant cruise on the highway (75-80 mph), it was going great. But, when I had to climb a hill or accelerate, it started sort of jerking, like a misfire. It felt like a bad plug or plug wire (I know this engine doesn't have wires, but that is what it felt like). As I went further it got worse. I arrived in the town, took care of my appointment and headed back. Same thing. If I had to accelerate, it started jerking and bucking. At a steady cruise it was fine. I decided I would replace the plugs (I have had it for over 40,000 miles and have not done them). I think they were done previously with a little over 120,000 miles. I stopped at Autozone and got the plugs and headed home. My house is ten minutes away. As I pulle d into my subdivision, it stalled. It would not restart. It just cranked and cranked. So, I am pretty sure that means its fuel. I parked it on the first street and walked home (it was only 5-6 blocks). I thought I would try again in the morning. So, my wife and drove over and I tried starting the car. As soon as I hit the key, it cranked and turned over, but stumbled and died. Then, it would only crank -- not start. Sounds like fuel, right? The SES light came on a week or so ago. I was going to bring it to my guy and assumed he would say, it was O2 sensor. Now, I am not so sure. The SES could be signaling misfire, because I think the computer shuts off fuel to misfiring cylinders. But, the fact that it will only crank now sounds like Fuel pump, fuel pump relay, etc. Last weekend, (not the one a couple of days ago, but the previous weekend), I drove to Ardmore Oklahoma and back (600 miles total driven) at highway speeds (sometimes even higher :) ) and it did great. No problems at all. The only thing I have noticed is that if I drove exclusively on the highway, I could get 25-26 MPG. But, the last few trips, the best I could get was 22-23 mpg and on this last trip it was 21. I had attributed that to either O2 sensor, or plugs or just winter fuel, heavy foot, etc. Anyone have any experience or ideas? If I can't get it started, I am going to have to tow it to a shop. Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] first car
first car i ever drove was a 63 Volkswagen van with a Sundial camper conversion; this was long before i was of licenseable age, with Dad teaching me how in the mountains and deserts of Southern California. i earned my license in the family station wagon (a Buick Estate Wagon with a 455 and 4-barrel IIRC). stupid fast, my friends of mine and i used to take the Amerikun family wagons and and play 'tap the mirror' at extra-legal speeds, so i know firsthand how stupid teenage boys can be. my dad bought a Dodge Coronet 440 for me from a fellow Marine that was being deployed on short notice elsewhere, but Dad was killed by a drunk driver before he ever got a chance to give it to me. it disappeared in the financial mayhem that followed. first real car of my own was a '72 Plymouth Duster that was given to me as an attempt to keep me from buying a motorcycle. that car had a straight-6 that carried us to plenty of trouble, a crank-open sunroof that i've never seen on another Duster, and a back seat that folded down along with an access panel to the trunk, making it possible to fit everything from skis, surfboards, bicycles, and a surprising number of what should probably be called 'adventurous' young females. after that was run into the ground because i was too careless to keep pouring oil into it as fast as it leaked out through a bad main seal, i got the motorcycle... first car i really bought myself was an '87 Mazda 323; probably the best car value i ever had. bought new, i put almost 160K miles on it including setting it up for Autocrossing, and sold it for half what i'd bought it for new about a decade later. aside from the suspension mods, only thing i ever had to do to it outside of routine maintenance was replace a water pump. cheers! e On 29/Jan/15 22:50, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote: Folks The first car i ever drove was about a 1945 jeep out in the mountains of Colorado. I learned to drive mostly on a 1951 plymouth which my father bought new and i still have in the field. MY first car was a 1962 VW bus. I bought it for $50 and rebuilt the engine myself. I got stuck with driving and repairing air cooled vw cars for the next 15 years or so. xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biking in the Snow
you could make them yourself, but studded bicycle tires are available from a variety or manufacturers, including Schwalbe, Continental, Kenda, Nokian, and others. many of these cost more than the tires some people here put on their cars. cheers! e On 31/Jan/15 11:41, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote: When I was living in the Central Oregon high desert, there was a guy at the local bike shop who had studded tires for his mountain bike. I'm not sure if they were homemade or not. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Studded tires??? The fat tired bikes interest me but I wonder how much more effort there is to using one? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D (a thinly disguised Oil Thread)
what drew me to synthetics was initially it's ability to handle heat; in the old Mazda RX7 we turbocharged to race autocross (before Mazda made turbos), every oil we tried used to coke up by the end of a racing weekend until we tried Red Line. afterwards, i found that in work we did on the trail in the J**p, Red Line did a better job of keeping the oil pressure where it was supposed to be; not as high at cold starts in snow camp, and not as low when crawling while hot on a desert trail. (oMBc) when we started using BioDiesel in the 300D, we found that while we didn't need to change oil as frequently due to the lack of any soot buildup, the high solvency of the fuel in the blow-by caused conventional oil to 'thin' out noticeably at any interval longer than stock. running Red Line caused that issue to go away completely. better high-temp resistance, better ability to maintain target oil pressure across a wider temperature range, and less susceptibility to breakdown led us to run Synthetics in everything we've got (except for the BMW motorcycle that chuffs through oil so fast it doesn't have a chance to get old in the crankcase!). cheers! e On 14/Jan/15 11:15, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Cold starts is certainly a part of it but what pulled me to M1 was its ability to withstand high temps better than standard oil. But it sure is comforting to hear an engine spin easily when the car has been outside all night and it's in the 20's - or colder;-) LarryT 91 300D On 1/14/2015 11:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Almost certainly this is the crux of the thing. The time for synthetic oil is when you NEED the car to start when its cold out.If it were to be very cold out I'd want a 5w or even 0w in the engine. I used M1 0w40 some in my '83 240D but the engine was loud and it leak/consumed it bad, 5w40 was a better compromise in that car. I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it less as they'll start when its much colder. -Curt From: Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Maybe it didn't matter which oil was in it as long as it was changed regularly and the other maintenance like valve adjustments was also done? Don Snook 2000 BMW 740iL (215K) 2006 Cadillac SRX (her car) 1992 Ford F-150 (the Truck) -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D G: The '83 300D I bought in 2000 had had Amsoil in its crankcase for the first 180,000 miles. The next 120,000 it had Mobil 1 except for a year or so of Delo. The mechanic who finished putting on the chain when I broke my hip, said it was in great shape. It still starts at the touch of the key. The Amsoil certainly didn't hurt it. -- On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The debate concerning Amsoil Vs Mobil 1 will likely continue for a long time. As far as buying Amsoil - it can be bought from the website (Amsoil.com) in 2 ways. You can become a dealer for a short time for a reduced price and buy the oil and other products at wholesale prices. If you prefer not to do that I can sell it to you. Even paying the dealer fee gets the oil for less than buying retail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
hi Andrew! no worries; thanks! cheers! e On 05/Jan/15 06:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
cute, but sadly inaccurate. ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other car) never break is just not true. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com ; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:37, Dwight Giles wrote: By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use Fred's phrase, YMMV. On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points you seem to have missed again below one last time for you. as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran some B100 through it, i didn't need a Fuel Sender for a while. i didn't say that was a reason to dump the car. i pointed out the lack of the availability of the Fuel Sender as an example of a simple item that was no longer supported like what MBZ parts used to be. also, as i already said in text you quoted below, i did try to fix it. obviously, had it been repairable, i wouldn't have needed another one. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:12, Curly McLain wrote: it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. 12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available. If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems a defensible reason to dump the car now. Why not just fix it? If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many other cars. while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our experience has been that that's no longer the case. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not so with Mercedes. if you say so; it may be perhaps because of the condition of our cars and the condition we keep them in, but i don't recall ever looking for interior parts for any car. (i could probably use a First Aid Kit door for the W123, but i haven't looked for one yet; that's a recent failure, and we've had other issues to deal with.) Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car parts. Honda is one example. i've no experience with Hondas, but haven't found that to be the case with the Mazdas and Toyotas in the family. So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk. if our experience in acquiring new parts were what it used to be like, i might agree with you regarding how easy it would be to keep these running. but as i've said, i've no interest in hoping i can hunt down and find whatever part i might need next time something fails on the road, new, let alone used. if that's someone else's idea of fun, that's great for them, but i'm not interested. cheers! e Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
no Ernie here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the things i've found NLA elsewhere. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com http://www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:33, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e Cathey is a verb. Fred is a list member. MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than MB. I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years. If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it. 1. Fix the old one 2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker) 3. Buy a new one from an OEM 4. Buy a new one from Uro 5. Adapt one from something else 6. Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and parts on hand. 7. Bosch parts are available from Bosch In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity. I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total. The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch. That is how the heater is running now. My next alternative was the resistor unit for my old dogde van. I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds. A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to have a heater. Not having a heater/defrost is not an option in subzero weather. These are examples of Catheyesque repairs. Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet parts are readily available. KEEP 'Em FLYING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. the commercially produced BioD we've been using has not been attributable to any problem we've had to date. we're not all talking about some homebrew crap, or throwing WVO in the tank. as i said up front; i want a dependable and maintainable vehicle, and am not interested in maintaining one as a hobby. we use our cars for far to much to hope for the chance to find used parts when/where we need them. we're clearly not interested in maintaining a vehicle at the same level. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:50, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit. when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign. cheers! e You said as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp. There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean and repair fuel senders. Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up. Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years. Just fill it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can tell how far you have gone. (or use an iphone to track miles.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else under the hood. i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't expected to last forever. cheers! e On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover and injectors and fuel lines. Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and back. I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but i hope Andrew has it in his garage! isn't a long-term strategy for me for a vehicle i need in regular use.;-) cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA. Please SHARE the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my garage. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Diesel prices
$3.60/g for #2 in San Leandro on Monday. cheers! e On 09/Dec/14 10:20, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Diesel has finally started to fall like gas has - I saw from $2.99.9 to $3.49.9 this morning. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] canola/rapeseed (was: Re: One for the greasers without heart conditions)
not exactly; in places politically correct and otherwise, Canola is an engineered plant developed in Canada from the Rapeseed Plant. reference from people that might know: http://www.uscanola.com/what-is-canola/ cheers! e On 07/Oct/14 11:44, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Interesting that the cans are labelled rapeseed oil. In politically correct places, that got changed to canola oil, a while back. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
we had campers (Volkswagen and Chevy) back in the '70s that we put a couple hundred thousand miles on; i think it's got a lot to do with how people used and maintained their equipment, but my dad grew up playing with powerboats, and being an Engineer, kept things in good trim. now, our W123 300Dt with about 255K miles on it is the low-mileage car in the stable, and the car we use for thousand-mile-weekends. it does it in comfort at speed with relative ease. the J**p is what we use for Sport, Utility, and to get 'Out There', and it's got more mileage on it than the 300D. it went over 200K before it needed anything major (transmission), and i finally rebuilt the motor at about 250K because i can't replace it with anything comparable on the market today. the wife's early '90s Toyoduh is the one that gets burned up on the commute at over 340K miles. paint looks awful, but the AC, auto trans and stereo still work. much as i want to hate it (because i physically don't fit in it), it still passes smog and gets 30 MPG on Regular, so i can't justify replacing it. cheers! e On 07/Oct/14 12:03, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: In the 70's, 100,000 miles was big deal, but my dad sold a good running 1977 Nova with 144,000 miles and nothing but brake, exhaust and suspension work done on it. The clutch was still in pretty solid shape. 60,000 was pretty much expected by 1970, and people bitched like heck when 30,000 mile Vegas blew clouds of blue smoke. I suspect it's uncommon for me to have put 232k on a 1989 Plymouth Horizon, but I don't see why any computerized fuel injected car can't go 200k with good filters and a manual transmission. And most anything made in the last 15 years people expect at least 150k per automatic tranny. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
i (for one) wish buying a simple car was an option here. what would it cost? would a Mercedes built today last 25, 30, 35 years? consider that the 300D sold for upwards of $30K in the 1980s... cheers! e On 22/Sep/14 18:48, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: They could do it with the E250 and I would not complain one bit. ? Are you suggesting that if MBUSA would let you buy a taxi grade E250 diesel you'd consider it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kent says SVO is junk
while i don't use W/SVO in our 617, i think it's only fair to point out that Kent neglects to mention many of the critical details associated with the alleged VO use on the injectors in question. amongst the things we don't know are: - if, or how well, the VO was filtered, - what temp the fuel was heated to at the injectors, - whether this was a single-tank system or dual-tank system (where start-up and shut-down are on BioD or #2), and - what percentage of the time the vehicle in question was run around-town vs. on the highway. my personal concerns about VO are more related to issues well *after* the injectors, but i think it's only prudent to not be making generalizations on the topic without knowing far more of the relevant detail. cheers! e On 23/Sep/14 12:47, clay via Mercedes wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4E28hDgXCwfeature=em-subs_digest-vrecs So, there is really an issue with using veggie oil, as it gums up the engine/injectors. That explains how you shorten the life of a Benz by running crap fuel sources. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
Andrew could best answer that, but i was thinking he's in the DC area, and if he's going into the office in Foggy Bottom, i don't recall much around there that's not flat. (even places like Capitol Heights and Oxon Hill aren't more than a couple-hunnert feet elevation. you can get closer to 400' out toward Bethesda, but that's on the far end of the commute range he described.) yes, i recall some of the hills in that part of the world can be short and fairly steep, but modern bicycle gearing goes so low that it makes easy work of those; Granny Gears are your friend. Sit and Spin!;-) (disclaimer; my perspective may admittedly be a bit skewed; i can hardly do a recreational ride around here of over an hour or 2 that doesn't involve a couple thousand feet of climbing. i've been doing this for fun since i started on Extended Touring bikes carrying all my camping gear, so i'm pretty comfortable with Granny.) all that said, if someone's got to wear the PA Ave uniform to work, this admittedly might not work in the high temps and humidity that that area is plagued with. i used to deal with a similar situation by driving in once or twice a week to carry office clothes in, so i could ride in the rest of the time in something more cycle-friendly. cheers! e On 12/Sep/14 03:19, John Reames wrote: I don't know whether his commute is flat or not. I have a 9.3 mile commute, which sounds nice and easy, but then you look at a topo map... In mine, the peak elevation is 397ft, the lowest is 59ft. In the first 2-2.5 miles, there is a single rise of 150ft in 0.2 miles distance, followed by a drop of 75ft in 0.1 miles, followed by a rise of 75ft in 0.1 miles. The rest of the morning commute doesn't have any rises over about 55ft, and is basically downhill to the end at 62ft of elevation. A nice relaxed 9.3 mile bike ride. BTW, If driving an electric car is drinking the [green] Kool-Aid (not to be confused with flavoraid of Jonestown fame), then at least the smart ED is proper German [green] Kool-Aid. (And for bonus points, http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk45mgef/1-smart-fortwo-electric-drive/ ... For those times when you really want to annoy people with a greener-than-thou attitude.) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net mailto:jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 17:01, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles
if you don't go into riding a motorcycle in traffic with the same mindset you'd take into a Special Op in a Hot Zone, it's likely not going to be safe and/or fun for long. i have to be prepared to expect that people are likely to not see me and accept that, or there's no point in suiting up to ride. (and because i know Caca Pasa, i never ride without going ATGATT; helmet, rally suit, real moto boots, All The Gear All The Time.) that said, i'll try to do what i can to stack the odds a little more in my favor, while knowing the shortcomings of each effort and not betting my life on any of it doing me any good. reflective stuff is great, and i use lots of it, but it only works when the background is dark and the lights that are shining on it are inline with the observers eyes; that's not often enough. modulated headlights (pulsing headlight[s]) are only one light; i personally believe that a rack of lights of various sizes and colors and in an unusual configuration is the best bet at getting that wait; WTF?! reaction that i need to give me the millisecond i need. (along with full-time running lights front and rear, i use a pair of 7.5 diameter 85W fog lights with yellow lenses mounted very close to the machine to present a sort of triangle configuration. it's not likely to be easily lost in the background traffic, and isn't like much of anything else seen on the road.) light-colored suit with lots of red; minimal black for this kid. white helmet; not because it might be cooler in the sunlight, but because it's the highest part of the moto/rider, and very easily seen/recognized. attached is a snap from an event i recently worked MotoHam for; let's see if this gets through. i might consider some of the fluorescent/Hi-Viz colored stuff that's now becoming more common in the US like what we've been using in bicycling for years already (and like what LEOs use in countries where motor-cops take the job more seriously), but i'll have to decide amongst what's available that fits when i go shopping for a helmet and/or suit again in the future. oMB content; here where we have a substantial fleet of (largely vegetarian) 617s mixed in with every possible new MBZ available (are they all Grey?), it seems like i'm more likely to have a stupid-incident with the drivers of the newer (allegedly 'better') MBZs than the older ones. my theory is that it's because the people those new 2-year throw-away MBZs appeal to just aren't 'Drivers' and 'Car People' like the ones that are keeping the old ones on the road... cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 12:18, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I stopped riding a few years ago because I felt like I had a bullseye on my back no matter what efforts I took to be as visible as possible. These included reflective stripes on my gear and a pulsing headlight. I still felt like people were either anion at me or being so flipping inattentive I was quite likely to be hit. Dan On Sep 10, 2014, at 3:04 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable, and that doesn't even begin to take into account people that can't hear and/or are ensconced in their sound-proof capsules. (this might not be readily apparent to a lot of the bike folks who never really ride out of town, but by the time anyone would know where the noise is coming from, it's already too late...) *if* someone were to hear a motorcycle, that doesn't necessarily tell them where it is, and (IMHO) only increases the risk created by someone looking away from what they're supposed to be doing (DRIVING!) by looking around for where the sound might be coming from. i think the nail was hit on the head with Drivers do not pay enough attention; if people would simply pay attention to what's actually happening instead of just what they *expect*, we'd all be a lot safer on the road. cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 08:33, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if noticable and noisy are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago
[MBZ] commuting by bicycle (was: Re: Testing Prius)
just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] multi-purpose stalk on '84 300D
check the fuse for the Optical Horn. cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 15:11, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: Anyone have any testing clues as the headlight flashing (squeezing) function doesn't seem to work? It used to work, now all other functions of this stalk do work. TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] loud motorcycles (was:Re: Prius)
after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable, and that doesn't even begin to take into account people that can't hear and/or are ensconced in their sound-proof capsules. (this might not be readily apparent to a lot of the bike folks who never really ride out of town, but by the time anyone would know where the noise is coming from, it's already too late...) *if* someone were to hear a motorcycle, that doesn't necessarily tell them where it is, and (IMHO) only increases the risk created by someone looking away from what they're supposed to be doing (DRIVING!) by looking around for where the sound might be coming from. i think the nail was hit on the head with Drivers do not pay enough attention; if people would simply pay attention to what's actually happening instead of just what they *expect*, we'd all be a lot safer on the road. cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 08:33, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if noticable and noisy are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't understand me. Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hella quartz halogen headlights
depends on what you're looking for,... note that there are multiple Hella H4 models; apparently the difference between them is significant enough that the 'better' ones sell for about that same price but don't include bulbs. you might want to look into what the difference is, and why. i'm not familiar with the Hellas anymore since (as i mentioned earlier) we found that the Low Beam Cutoff was lower than the Cibiés. yes, H4s should plug right in in place of whatever came stock in a US-spec W123. it's unlikely that they'll actually DOT-legal on the public roads in anything but a Motorcycle, but i'm not sure that's a concern. (yes, US laws as they relate to lighting were messed up.) WRT light output; are you talking about *where* the light goes, or *how much* of it there is? if you're not happy with where the light goes, there's no way you'll be able to change it. to try to make up for the aforementioned short cut-off of the Low Beam requires you to adjust them so high that the High Beam is no longer correct. if you're not happy with how much light there is, i'd be surprised, since they'll likely provide much more and cleaner light than anything stock ever did. if you still want brighter light, you can get bulbs with all different wattage combinations, including some that keep the 55W Low Beam, but offer much higher High Beam wattage. however, if you go with higher-wattage than stock 55/60W, be prepared to set up relays to feed the extra draw, or be prepared to burn up wiring and/or switches that weren't designed to handle the extra load. (you'll probably get away with it for a while, but it's no fun when they go 'Poof'! and you suddenly have no lights when you need them. note that this only happens when you need them,...) if you were to decide that you wanted brighter bulbs, just setting up the light with relays will likely provide some better light, so be sure to try that before you pop for higher-wattage bulbs. cheers! e On 23/Aug/14 10:11, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: I've recently seen some of you post that you've converted to Hella quartz halogen headlights. I see that Amazon has these (HELLA 002395991 7 H4 Type Single High/Low Beam Headlamp) for $37.07 with free shipping. This may be a silly question, but is this a direct drop in without having to rewire the standard headlight plug in my '84 300D? Also, in case I may not be happy with the light output, has anyone substituted the 100/80W bulbs for the standard 60/55W bulbs? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126
toss the stock lamps, not just the bulbs. get a set of H4 Cibié lamps and some decent bulbs like the Sylvania/Osrams, or high-efficacy Narvas; they'll mount in the same place as the stuff that came stock. having the right light in front of a car isn't just about wattage; it's about having a lens and reflector in the lamp that put the light in the right place (and don't interfere with oncoming traffic). lamps in most other parts of the world did a much better job of this than what the US DOT stuck us with. cheers! e On 17/Aug/14 11:35, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote: I have a '84 300CD and a '87 300SDL and both vehicles' lights are not bright enough for night driving especially on back roads. I have tried upgrading the bulbs for brighter ones, but nothing yet is satisfactory. Any suggestions for making these safer? Thanks. Ralph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126
yep; the difference between DOT and real headlamps is like that. as popular as Hellas are, i specifically didn't mention Hellas because in the cars where my family of lighting geeks has compared Hellas side-by-side with Cibiés, we've found that when they're aimed properly (so that the high beam points out to the horizon), the low beam pattern for the Hellas was shorter than the Cibiés. considering that most of us do 90% of our driving on the low beams, that's pretty significant. cheers! e On 18/Aug/14 12:20, WILTON wrote: I put 7 in. Hellas on my 81 300D 'bout 12 years ago. The first time I turned them on at night, I threw so much light out front that I thought I felt some thrust (deceleration) to the rear. Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126 toss the stock lamps, not just the bulbs. get a set of H4 Cibié lamps and some decent bulbs like the Sylvania/Osrams, or high-efficacy Narvas; they'll mount in the same place as the stuff that came stock. having the right light in front of a car isn't just about wattage; it's about having a lens and reflector in the lamp that put the light in the right place (and don't interfere with oncoming traffic). lamps in most other parts of the world did a much better job of this than what the US DOT stuck us with. cheers! e On 17/Aug/14 11:35, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote: I have a '84 300CD and a '87 300SDL and both vehicles' lights are not bright enough for night driving especially on back roads. I have tried upgrading the bulbs for brighter ones, but nothing yet is satisfactory. Any suggestions for making these safer? Thanks. Ralph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. cheers! e On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the first couple shifts at below zero temps. I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter now... Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 diesel injector return hose
Viton's what i used about a year ago, although the original stuff that was on the car when i bought it over a decade ago lasted more than 100K miles on B99 before it showed any signs of weepage. (that was replaced by an Indy as a favor with some unidentifiable aftermarket stuff that ended up leaking almost immediately, spewing fuel all over, soaking the hood pad, and generally making a mess.) Viton's widely available at marine supply hardware stores, as well as many other places. i didn't see any reason to *not* use it. cheers! e On 18/Jul/14 15:13, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Isn't Viton what you are supposed to use for BioD or WVO? On Jul 18, 2014 5:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dr. Fatty's website says $41 for 5 meters so the dealer seems a bit high. I bought some stuff from McMaster-Carr at one point. It worked just fine. My invoice from 2008 says High-Temperature viton rubber tubing, Firm, 1/8ID, 1/4 OD, 1/16 wall, Black. $3.22/ft part number 5119K11. I see today its now 5119K79 with a price of $3.97/ft. -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] W123 diesel injector return hose Dealer wants 28 for meter. Is that the best? i.e. not china, and good quality? Has anyone tried alternative non braid covered alternatives? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 300D fuel sender source?
hi Gerry! saw that, thanks; that's the record for the worst price so far. cheers! e On 30/Jun/14 08:28, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=m570.l3201_nkw=1983+300D+mercedes+fuel+sender_sacat=0 Scroll down. Gerry ... On 6/29/2014 11:44 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: hi Kaleb! i've sent him an e-mail directly, even though it didn't appear on the website. i've tried taking it apart to clean it up, to no avail. can't imagine it's just a matter of being dead from being dirty anyway, since it's run almost nothing but commercial B99 through it for most of the last ~115K+ miles. next time i mess with pull the thing out into the nice clean interior, i just want to put in one that's going to work. (fuel gauges that read Empty freak out the wife, and i want her to drive the thing more; i can't get her to understand that using the trip odometer to track miles traveled works just fine.) cheers! e On 29/Jun/14 06:22, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Did you try jabba the hurst? Why are you needing a new one anyway? Most of the time all you have to do is clean the old one Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2014, at 2:46 AM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! any tips on where to start looking for a Fuel Sender? local Indy says they showed up back-ordered,... i tried the Europarts website, but it didn't seem to be available,.. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 300D fuel sender source?
dunno' where you got either of those ideas! neither is true. (did you perhaps not read the e-mail you responded to?) cheers! e On 30/Jun/14 10:50, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Since you didn't want to clean yours (which is pretty simple), I thought you were rich. (grin) Gerry hi Gerry! saw that, thanks; that's the record for the worst price so far. cheers! e On 30/Jun/14 08:28, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=m570.l3201_nkw= 1983+300D+mercedes+fuel+sender_sacat=0 Scroll down. Gerry ... On 6/29/2014 11:44 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: hi Kaleb! i've sent him an e-mail directly, even though it didn't appear on the website. i've tried taking it apart to clean it up, to no avail. can't imagine it's just a matter of being dead from being dirty anyway, since it's run almost nothing but commercial B99 through it for most of the last ~115K+ miles. next time i mess with pull the thing out into the nice clean interior, i just want to put in one that's going to work. (fuel gauges that read Empty freak out the wife, and i want her to drive the thing more; i can't get her to understand that using the trip odometer to track miles traveled works just fine.) cheers! e On 29/Jun/14 06:22, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Did you try jabba the hurst? Why are you needing a new one anyway? Most of the time all you have to do is clean the old one Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2014, at 2:46 AM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! any tips on where to start looking for a Fuel Sender? local Indy says they showed up back-ordered,... i tried the Europarts website, but it didn't seem to be available,.. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 123 300D fuel sender source?
hi all! any tips on where to start looking for a Fuel Sender? local Indy says they showed up back-ordered,... i tried the Europarts website, but it didn't seem to be available,.. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 300D fuel sender source?
hi Kaleb! i've sent him an e-mail directly, even though it didn't appear on the website. i've tried taking it apart to clean it up, to no avail. can't imagine it's just a matter of being dead from being dirty anyway, since it's run almost nothing but commercial B99 through it for most of the last ~115K+ miles. next time i mess with pull the thing out into the nice clean interior, i just want to put in one that's going to work. (fuel gauges that read Empty freak out the wife, and i want her to drive the thing more; i can't get her to understand that using the trip odometer to track miles traveled works just fine.) cheers! e On 29/Jun/14 06:22, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Did you try jabba the hurst? Why are you needing a new one anyway? Most of the time all you have to do is clean the old one Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2014, at 2:46 AM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! any tips on where to start looking for a Fuel Sender? local Indy says they showed up back-ordered,... i tried the Europarts website, but it didn't seem to be available,.. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Pride
heh,... congrats on the handy girl. i'm lucky enough to have a bunch in my family (and to have married another), and it's always cool to see. but, he runs over a deer, in his car, and she fixes it at his house? (at the risk of touching a sensitive point,) it sounds like her taste in BFs should be as good as her repair skills...;-) cheers! e On 28/Jun/14 07:41, Rich Thomas wrote: No, not that kind... Last night my daughter and her boyfriend were coming home from a concert late and he ran over a dead deer in his Crown Vic. Car quits, they get a tow. Tow truck driver said it looked like fuel filter was hit, fuel was dripping. He dropped the car off in front of the BF's house. 8 this morning my daughter calls asking how to fix it, I told her, they went and got a filter, and SHE got under the car and had it replaced by 10AM. I dun raised that girl good. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] theft-deterrent techniques (was: Re: Idjit no start problems)
the standard practice locals went by when surfing Huntington Beach used to be to leave the windows rolled down, so the the scumbags wouldn't break the windows while trying to find out that the doors were already unlocked.;-* on the streets of Italy, we used to see cars parked with the glove-box left open to make it clear that it was empty and there was nothing in it worth stealing. one perspective is that you only leave things in a car that you don't mind being stolen. cheers! e On 10/Jun/14 08:27, Randy Bennell wrote: Sadly, the folks that break into cars are often too stupid to check to see if it is unlocked, so they break in when they don't have to and do more $ damage to the vehicle than the minimal $ loss of contents. On 09/06/2014 7:38 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Which is why I tell my wife DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING IN THE CAR if theres a GPS or whatever in the car and some sleaze bucket wants it they just break the window. Now you've got a broken window and you lost your thing. If you like it and want to keep it, take it inside. I almost never lock my car almost anywhere. When I was driving the '78 240D I once left it unlocked at the airport for 2 weeks. Old junky looking car, nothing in it, no reason to even look inside... -Curt Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:45:18 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Idjit no start problems Message-ID: 41172447-16d9-4d64-92eb-e2015ee21...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dude, you need to move or get a fence with barbed wire or something We have had about five thefts of things from cars in our immediate area of late, and they were all thefts of opportunity, as the cars weren't locked. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Check out the photo
isn't that a 300CD? looks like the lower roof. cheers! e On 16/May/14 07:21, Rich Thomas wrote: You might be right. I actually did not look too closely, just saw the Benz. --R On 5/16/14 10:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I do not see a SD in the photo, I see a 123 though. On 5/16/2014 8:22 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Front page of the paper this morning. Looks like my SD but I wasn't down there. http://postandcourier.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge_remote.asp?source=remoteimageid=11141673 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3950/7492 - Release Date: 05/14/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
i had to replace a fog light in our '85, and it was a sealed beam. i'm
fairly certain it was a plug-in deal.
quotes for replacements were rather high a few years ago, and i
heard a story about how there was something used in the manufacture of
them that had since been qualified as a hazardous material and that
was why they now cost so much. IIRC, this related specifically to the
yellow ones (which i thought started somewhere around 1982).
i was lucky enough to find a decent replacement at a local MBZ
shop. were i to need to replace one again, i would give serious
consideration to just wiring in a set of small modern lamps, but i'd
miss the look of those old yellow things.
cheers!
e
On 23/Apr/14 09:16, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus Dwight's
300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:22:21 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Fog Lights 83 300D
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On the subject of fog lights, I bought a pair of proper size foglights
from FLAPS for my '83 300D. When I got home and tried to install them,
they were not sealed beam but had removable bulbs and would not attach
to supporting structure for the old sealbeams, and the bulb assbly was
wire in rather than plug in.
Do the old sealed beams have to be special ordered someplace, or would I
be likely to find the small sealed beams if I keep checking with local
dealers?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
why would you give them a VIN that's different than the one they can see on the chassis? that would seem to invite questions... i'd have them check the one on the car, not the motor, especially if you don't know if either was ever part of the Campaign. cheers! e On 13/Apr/14 06:39, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
sorry, i missed the answer to my question, so here it is in a slightly different form: have you *asked* the dealer? as an aside, i find it unlikely that any of the parts in question could have been affected with the issue you're trying to address with an engine swap. cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 20:56, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Total battery drain
alternators on our old 617s are smaller than the one on my motorcycle, and almost all alternators only make a small fraction of their rated output at idle. if you've got a totally flat battery, you probably need to get it out and up to speed and keep it there for more than 25 minutes. more importantly, you need to figure out why it went so dead so fast; is there a drain on it, or is it truly just a bad battery? what kind of battery are we talking about? (for reference, the Mercedes factory battery we've got in our '85 300D is more than 8 years old, and still works well in spite of having been deep-cycled completely flat at least twice,...) cheers! e On 28/Mar/14 16:41, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Hour of idling??? On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: 25 minutes is not long enough. Hours are required when totally dead. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: March 28, 2014 3:54:50 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Total battery drain My garage queen (repainted 1985 300TD) had a totally drained battery after sitting for no more than 2 weeks. I mean, there was zero charge left. I was able to get it jump started, and the battery began charging. I let it idle and then drove it so that the engine ran for a cumulative total of around 25 minutes. When I returned home I shut it off and tried to start it again. It barely turned over. How long would I need to drive to recharge the battery? The weather was not particularly cold. Andrew 1985 300TD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
in '85, a factory alarm was an option on the 300D, and it's activated by the key in either door. i'm not familiar with the construction of the internals of the key mechanism, but i do recall being told not to use graphite in that tumbler due to its electrical conductivity. ours has the alarm; it still works quite well. only problem we've had with it is when the hood sensor is knocked out of position by the valve cover during valve adjustments and not repositioned correctly. (naturally, this creates a problem that only surfaces with the alarm going off in the coldest part of the night...) cheers! e On 26/Mar/14 04:00, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm not sure why, as later models used an external microswitch to sense the lock position. You couldn't get stuff on it from spraying the cylinder down if you wanted to. For that matter, W123, W124 and W126 models didn't do anything with the alarm and lock cylinders that I know of, unless it was the ignition cylinder. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] tire over-inflation (was: Re: The Jetta's big drive)
hard to complain about harshness of ride when doing something known to negatively impact the ride. all that extra road vibration transmitted to the vehicle and occupants can't be good for the vehicle or occupants, either. traction? i'll take a tire inflated closer to spec over one that's overinflated on any wet surface, and/or in any emergency avoidance maneuver of braking. increasing tire pressure reduces its ability to conform to the road surface. don't believe over-inflating reduces your traction and increases your likelihood to skid? a simple test with braking to the skid point on a bicycle should demonstrate how much more quickly a tire will lose traction when overinflated. tire life is arguable, as too firm of a tire sidewall can reportedly make it less pliable and more likely to break a cord instead of flex to absorb an impact. also, what's the point of wearing out the tread just down the middle of the tread surface instead of distributing that wear across the entire tread surface? if you're not racing autocross, you're probably not using the entire tread surface if overinflated. fuel economy might increase; but at what cost of comfort, vehicle and passenger wear, and (arguably) safety..? cheers! e On 22/Mar/14 10:57, Mitch Haley wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: wouldn't running the tires that high exacerbate road harshness, increase your likelihood to skid under emergency braking, and decrease your traction in turns,...? Yes, no, no. Also increases tire life and fuel economy. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Jetta's big drive
assuming those are the correct sized tires on the vehicle, isn't recommended tire pressure for that vehicle about 75% of what you're running? wouldn't running the tires that high exacerbate road harshness, increase your likelihood to skid under emergency braking, and decrease your traction in turns,...? cheers! e On 20/Mar/14 15:14, Curt Raymond wrote: I've got the tires pumped up to 40psi (10% short of sidewall max) and the car has fairly stiff suspension anyway which made me dream of my sweet 240D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bicycle lesson
2 questions; 1- what kind of frame have you got that's 132mm? a few mfrs have tried doing 132.5mm rear axle spacing over the years to try to make it possible to use both 130 and 135mm hubs, but it's not common. 2- have you measured both your frame and your axle to ensure the dimensions? sometimes things 'change', and you might be wanting to make sure they are what they're supposed to be... cheers! e On 16/Jan/14 20:04, Gary Hurst wrote: seems you can't put something 135mm wide in a 132mm space. well, at least i can't ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] vibes (was: Re: Ever have a driveshaft snap in half?)
tires can be out of round and/or out of true and still be balanced. these perfectly balanced tires will still give you vibes. (i once bought 5 wheels and tires off of a friends new J**p just to get the wheels, only to find that only 2 of the brand-new original low-end Goodyears on them were round and true; there was no way to put any 4 of those on the ground without getting shimmy, shakes and/or vibes.) what kind of tires did you have on there when this was first noticed? and what kind of tires do you have on there now? sounds like you already know you have at least one tire (on the rear) that's out of round; i'd suspect that since you feel the vibes in the steering wheel you also have one (or more) that's out of round and/or out of true on the front. get them up in the air and watch both the tires and the wheels while they spin to see i they even spin roundly and without any side-to-side wiggling. cheers! e On 17/Dec/13 05:47, Ralph Robertson wrote: This topic made me resurrect my vibration/wobble problem with my '87 300SDL. Ever since I bought this car, I have had this problem and 5 years later I still have it. I have replaced everything I can think of in the drive train and still have the shimmy. Although it seems a lot better than original, and it should be! Is there anything in the diferential that could cause this? Even had the rear half axles replaced. My latest effort, the mechanic made some adjustments to the torgue for the rear axles and suggested it may have a differential issue. Is there a possibility a previous car accident may have caused this? I am rather frustrated at this minor shimmy after putting all this money and effort into this, but it still shakes the steering wheel at speeds above 55mph, very smooth below this speed. parts addressed; rear sway bar links., rear axles, drive shaft balanced,all flex discs, s-support, rubber mounts, motor mounts,tires,wheel balances,rear springs, transmission output shaft bearing. The shake can be felt in the steering wheel, just like wheel balance. Starts around 55mph, slakens off around 60, then comes back about 65 and seems to come and go at all speeds above that. Was quite strong, but now a minor shake but still aggravating on a long trip. Tires all seem to be wearing evenly, no scalloping. The car is in such great shape I hate to change it, and would rather fix it than swap. Ralph '87 300SDL '85 300 CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
i've run B100 almost exclusively for over 100K miles now over the last decade, and have started our 617 when snow was over a foot deep on the hood and it had been sitting for several days. temps were probably never lower than in the teens (F*), but it would seem that many of the alleged concerns about running BioD are wildly overblown. (it also makes a difference what the stock was that the BioDiesel was made from. also, if it's commercially produced, you might ask whether or not it has any winterizing additives; some does.) it takes noticeably longer for the engine to come up to 'normal' operating temps when compared to #2, but that's to be expected when using a fuel that produces less waste heat. cheers! e On 12/Dec/13 15:29, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I discovered a local biodiesel processing plant in Portland, ME. They have a retail B100 pump as well. I put some in my tank the other day to achieve an overall 20% blend. The car started and ran just fine this morning despite 7°F temp! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Battery
i'm also curious about this topic, and would like to solicit comments on the MBZ batteries. we've had an MBZ battery in our 300D for almost 9 years now, and now that temps are around freezing it's finally starting to show signs of being tired. (i can't really blame it; it's been run completely flat a couple of times.) i'd be happy to replace it with one like it, as it fit perfectly without any fiddling and it's been the source of zero complaints and performed admirably. however, i didn't find one listed anywhere in my searches online. any idea where to get one, and what they cost these days? cheers! e On 10/Dec/13 08:11, John Ingram wrote: Hello Everyone. I am sorry if this has been covered recently but I need a replacement battery for my 83 240D. The Interstate battery that is in it has lasted a long time and I would like to simply replace it. However, I find that the battery listed on the Interstate website is only 720CCA, the old one was 850CCA. The old tired diesel needs every bit of help getting started. Does anyone sell a battery that will fit correctly in the car with at least 850CCA? If this topic has been covered recently please tell me when and I will look it up. John I. 83 240D 309K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Electricity costs
total of our last bill divided by the number of kWh = .1657. (that includes all taxes and penalties for going over our Tier 1 allowance and all the way into the Tier 3 rate of 0.31114.) i don't know where those guys reportedly in CA were that were claiming 0.35! rates vary wildly by specific locale, not just by state. were my dear wife ever able to find the 'Off' position of any switch or tap, we might be able to take advantage of the Tier 1 rate of 0.1323... cheers! e Berkeley, CA On 06/Dec/13 15:18, OK Don wrote: Taking the total due on my last bill, including all the taxes and fuel adjustment factor, and dividing by KWh used comes to $0.098/KWh. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: What do others pay for electricity? I pay 0.055/kwh including transmission surcharge. Costs were at mercedeslist recently and guys in CA TX were saying 0.35? What is OK? FL? NC? MO? ME? NH? MA? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 grille insert?
fair enough; thanks. good luck with the move; i don't envy you that chore! cheers! e On 05/Dec/13 10:29, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Unfortunately, I am in the throes of moving and the grille in question is now locked up in temporary storage. When I resurrect later this month it I will try to rememebr to do this. Feel free to remind me if you don't hear anything by new year. Andrew On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:58 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi Andrew! Curt and i decided that the one he had was probably a little bit shabbier than what i was looking for. (tip-'o-the-hat to Curt for making that call and sending pics before shipping!) if you're still willing to consider making a deal for the grille you've got, is there any chance you might be able to snap a pic of it and letting me take a peek at it? cheers! e On 28/Oct/13 20:26, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have a spare grille with a good insert if that's what you need. Let me know. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think so too, but there are some guys who really want everyone just a certain way and will complain about the way the chinese plastic looks On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Cheap aftermarket is usually fine on those kind of parts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the plastic piece tends to be cheaper, about 70 bucks or so in genuine. if you want the whole assembly, you are going to be talking bit money in genuine, so you will have to be looking aftermarket or used On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! high winds in our area last night had lots of stuff flying around on the highway, and i happened to pick up a piece of something that destroyed parts of the grille of our '85 300D. it looks like the majority of the damage was restricted to the grey plastic grille that sits inside of the main outer frame surround, and perhaps a few more dings in the chrome decorative strips. i couldn't find any MBZ logos or P/Ns of any kind on it, and have my suspicions that this might be an aftermarket piece put on by a previous owner after a 'fender-bender'. any hints or tips on where and how to get a replacement for a car that doesn't have to be show quality, but is a good regular driver that we're keeping looking fairly nice? should i just bite down and replace the whole grille and frame? cheers! e __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 grille insert?
hi Andrew! Curt and i decided that the one he had was probably a little bit shabbier than what i was looking for. (tip-'o-the-hat to Curt for making that call and sending pics before shipping!) if you're still willing to consider making a deal for the grille you've got, is there any chance you might be able to snap a pic of it and letting me take a peek at it? cheers! e On 28/Oct/13 20:26, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have a spare grille with a good insert if that's what you need. Let me know. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think so too, but there are some guys who really want everyone just a certain way and will complain about the way the chinese plastic looks On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Cheap aftermarket is usually fine on those kind of parts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the plastic piece tends to be cheaper, about 70 bucks or so in genuine. if you want the whole assembly, you are going to be talking bit money in genuine, so you will have to be looking aftermarket or used On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! high winds in our area last night had lots of stuff flying around on the highway, and i happened to pick up a piece of something that destroyed parts of the grille of our '85 300D. it looks like the majority of the damage was restricted to the grey plastic grille that sits inside of the main outer frame surround, and perhaps a few more dings in the chrome decorative strips. i couldn't find any MBZ logos or P/Ns of any kind on it, and have my suspicions that this might be an aftermarket piece put on by a previous owner after a 'fender-bender'. any hints or tips on where and how to get a replacement for a car that doesn't have to be show quality, but is a good regular driver that we're keeping looking fairly nice? should i just bite down and replace the whole grille and frame? cheers! e __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Alternator Brushes?
not sure if your 2001 takes the same alt as my '94, but the Bosch re-manny unit i put in our XJ a couple of years ago puts out significantly more power than the stock stuff did; we tested it up to 160 Amps on the tester. even with all the lights, defrosters, and wipers on, there's almost no dimming of lights at an idle when the compressor kicks in (unlike with the original unit, which was taken out at over 200K when the first of 3 Napa compressors grenaded,... but that's another story.) cheers! e On 22/Nov/13 21:01, Brian Toscano wrote: I'm getting intermittent charging on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee. This behavior started yesterday. Today it was fine all day until after I started it up after eating dinner. Then it was around the 9 V and the check gauges light came on. It worked fine the next two starts, but then I stopped for gas on the way home and it low again. Volt meter shows 10.8 V when things aren't working right. Beat the alternator with a steel drift and it jumped back to 13.4 V. This is the original alternator, over 30 miles. Does anyone know if this era of Bosch alternators has brushes that can be replaced as easy a Mercedes? If so, where the brushes could be purchased? Are Bosch remans at Mc Parts worth a bit more than double the price? The lower cost units are around $127. Bosch is $250-290.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 grille insert?
hi all! high winds in our area last night had lots of stuff flying around on the highway, and i happened to pick up a piece of something that destroyed parts of the grille of our '85 300D. it looks like the majority of the damage was restricted to the grey plastic grille that sits inside of the main outer frame surround, and perhaps a few more dings in the chrome decorative strips. i couldn't find any MBZ logos or P/Ns of any kind on it, and have my suspicions that this might be an aftermarket piece put on by a previous owner after a 'fender-bender'. any hints or tips on where and how to get a replacement for a car that doesn't have to be show quality, but is a good regular driver that we're keeping looking fairly nice? should i just bite down and replace the whole grille and frame? cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)
heck, when i asked how water-resistant (not water-proof!) an old Elgin of mine was, the response from the watchmaker was: heck, that ain't even FOG proof! it's still beautiful, and like most of my old watches, it still works wonderfully. cheers! e On 24/Oct/13 16:38, Peter Frederick wrote: A 1938 Elgin has a snap-back case, no they are NOT sealed, cannot be worn near water, nor in fact if you sweat a lot. A pain, but they are lovely watches. And long haired cat undercoat hairs float all over on the breeze. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cycling (was: Re: question for scooter guy (or anyone else))
work on keeping your pedaling cadence up so you don't wear yourself out, and your range should increase fairly soon as the weight drops off. cheers! e On 06/Oct/13 11:26, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm looking for an intermediate mode of transportation when i am alone. the car is really for others, but bicycle limits me to about to 10 miles around me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] left on red (was: Re: question for scooter guy (or anyone else))
interesting. that's even looser than what we've got here in California. cheers! e On 06/Oct/13 08:18, Mitch Haley wrote: WILTON wrote: 'Found nothing allowing left turn on any type of red light signal - STOP sign, yes, but red ball, solid red arrow, flashing red arrow - no. You're right, I can't find anything permitting left on red in NC under any circumstances. Here's the situation in Michigan, which I think makes more sense: http://www.annarbor.com/news/more-about-turns-on-red/ Drivers can make a right turn on a red traffic signal from a one-way or two-way street onto a one-way or two-way street. Drivers also can make a left turn on a red traffic signal from a one-way or two-way street onto a one-way street only. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)
if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in California, the law doesn't say anything about right or left. what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and end in the lane nearest the (same) curb. to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs where you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it varies greatly with locale. as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my experience around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since they have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive ones don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it. i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's better for you!). if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people. cheers! e On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote: Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?
seller failed to mention one of the most critical points (the size?), but given all the other misspellings in the post, i doubt they're what most people would consider a serious cyclist. i wouldn't expect a bike like that to go for half that asking price, if that. cheers! e On 02/Oct/13 06:50, Rich Thomas wrote: Posted on the local cycling group list: For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike, Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047. This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode itself - very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and black detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap clips. Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental Gatorskin tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400 firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at 843-633-1717. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
eh? (i'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt that this isn't just blatant trolling,... once.) i don't know where in California your sister lives, but in a state as large as California i don't doubt that you might find some who have a bias against anything you can name. i can assure you that in my fairly extensive travels of California, i have found no place where there is what i would call a significant bias, and would suggest that those who may have such a view are by far in the minority. if you have a sister who truly believes as you suggest, perhaps your sister needs to get out more,...?;-) cheers! e On 10/Sep/13 10:12, Richard Hattaway wrote: My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
you misunderstand. what i said meant that if she believes *there is a bias*, she might need to get out more. i live (and play) in the same area you describe; from what i see, the tendency toward bias (against *anything*) here is much less than in many other parts of the country i've been in. the tolerance for 'un-sameness' is a big part of the reasons i chose to live here. cheers! e (son and spouse of immigrants, and ashamed of having gotten sucked into the non-MBZ noise.) On 11/Sep/13 07:53, Richard Hattaway wrote: if you have a sister who truly believes as you suggest, perhaps your sister needs to get out more,...? Read it again. I didn't say anything at all about her beliefs. I said she relayed to me there was a bias. She certainly is not the only person to relay this particular bias against Asians in her part of the country. She lives in SF. Small city by the bay. Doesn't get out much.. My post certainly is not blatant trolling. I am amazed by the cultural differences toward bigotry and racism that exist across our country. One man's trash is another man's treasure. I have never found issue with the term Oriental, yet I find that it is totally unacceptable in other parts of the country. From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ? eh? (i'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt that this isn't just blatant trolling,... once.) i don't know where in California your sister lives, but in a state as large as California i don't doubt that you might find some who have a bias against anything you can name. i can assure you that in my fairly extensive travels of California, i have found no place where there is what i would call a significant bias, and would suggest that those who may have such a view are by far in the minority. if you have a sister who truly believes as you suggest, perhaps your sister needs to get out more,...?;-) cheers! e On 10/Sep/13 10:12, Richard Hattaway wrote: My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Homebrew BioD
B20 made with BioD made from Algae has been commercially available at retail pumps down the street from me for some time now. i've been watching 'AlgaeDiesel' for several years now, and hope that it may come to fruition as a practical source for biofuels. (the commercial BioDiesel manufacturers in this area already can't get enough WVO to support the demand for BioD.) cheers! e p.s. if anyone near the SF Bay Area wants my old 'Appleseed BioD processor cheap, drop me a line off-list. my current situation makes it superfluous. On 29/Aug/13 15:01, WILTON wrote: Reminds me: Honors student grandaughter (senior) at NC State U is working in a lab on production of fuels from algae. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] Homebrew BioD Anybody in the chicago area that could process 500 gal a month or so of soy oil into BioD? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] car quality (was: Re: Wheel bearing fiasco.)
much as i demean it, my wife's early '90s Crudolla is at 300K miles and still running well (and passing biannual Calif smog tests).i don't love them, but Toyoduh's been getting some things (excepting paint) right for a while. (of course it might have something to do with basic maintenance, too; our newest car. a mid-90s J**p, has over 250K on it. our '85 300D is the baby in the bunch, with only ~220K.) looking at many of the cars that are for sale today, i can't imagine seeing them turn 200K, let alone 300K miles. cheers! e On 28/Aug/13 10:06, Rick Knoble wrote: On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You have to credit the Asians with raising the quality of ALL cars. Any cheapo new car today will go, with minimal maintenance 200,000 miles. Even 20 years ago that was a stretch for all but diesels. I drove my '79 Corolla wagon to the junk yard with 280k miles on it. Still ran great. Body parts were falling off of it though from rust. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB Factory Manuals? (was: Re: sunroof not powering open? - W123)
hi! where can i get my hands on a factory manual for an '85 300D (Cal)? cheers! e On 09/Aug/13 12:24, Dave Cavner wrote: Section 77 of the MB factory manual is very helpful in understanding the what, where and how of the sliding roof assembly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] sunroof not powering open? - W123
hi all! seems the sunroof in our 300D isn't wanting to open; there's a 'click' audible from the front edge (that sounds like it might be a latch?) when we hit the switch, and if it's really quiet we can hear what sounds like what i imagine might be the cable shifting slightly in its track from along the left rear area of the roof. local indy MBZ guy took a quick look at it and suspects that the fiber gear in the motor might be stripped, but says he can't source that independent of the motor, and the motors are only available to him from through the dealer for several hundred dollars. i know this isn't something everyone cares about, but we miss it greatly. here in California, our sunroof gets enjoyed pretty much any time we're below about 40MPH and it's not raining. we (and our dog) would very much like it back. any tips, hints, links or clues to share that might help us get this operational again? the only thing i turned up in a quick Google search that looked promising was a kit and book from Mercedes Source, and i wanted to check with the collective wisdom of the group to see if there might be something else that i should look into first, or as well. thanks in advance for your help! cheers! e '85 300D Berkeley, CA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 weirdnesses
yeah, well, we can imagine all kinds of things; anyone got something like real data? cheers! e On 18/Jul/13 13:00, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I would imagine that the W126 and w123 had the same updates for MY 1985 for all mechanical .systems but not for body details. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:33 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: nope. both Fed and Calif '85 W123s had things that made them different than all other years (some of which i listed already), not just the Particulate Trap Oxidizer that so many people seem to focus on. cheers! e On 18/Jul/13 11:25, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Depends on whether you are referring to the 49 state or CA version. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM, ernest breakfield ernestb@backyardengineering.**org erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! i know the '85 W123 had a lot of things about it that made it 'special' compared to other years, but am looking at a '85 W126 now. did the W126 have the same 'specialness' about it that the W123 did? (FI pump, Trans, Final Drive, etc,...?) cheers! e __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 weirdnesses
perfect! can you share what it says for the W126? or perhaps post a link, or scan, or something? cheers! e On 19/Jul/13 07:26, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have the 1985 model yearbook that explains all the changes for each model On Jul 19, 2013 6:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: yeah, well, we can imagine all kinds of things; anyone got something like real data? Who ended up with Marshall's collection of Technical Data Manuals? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '85 weirdnesses
hi all! i know the '85 W123 had a lot of things about it that made it 'special' compared to other years, but am looking at a '85 W126 now. did the W126 have the same 'specialness' about it that the W123 did? (FI pump, Trans, Final Drive, etc,...?) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 weirdnesses
nope. both Fed and Calif '85 W123s had things that made them different than all other years (some of which i listed already), not just the Particulate Trap Oxidizer that so many people seem to focus on. cheers! e On 18/Jul/13 11:25, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Depends on whether you are referring to the 49 state or CA version. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi all! i know the '85 W123 had a lot of things about it that made it 'special' compared to other years, but am looking at a '85 W126 now. did the W126 have the same 'specialness' about it that the W123 did? (FI pump, Trans, Final Drive, etc,...?) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash
i've read that the NTSB has stated that they didn't release these names and didn't have anything to do with this list, and that KTVU claims this came to them off of a national feed,... no matter where they got it from, it's indeed proof that there's nobody with a brain engaged in the path, and they're simply regurgitating whatever is put in front of them. cheers! e On 13/Jul/13 04:28, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? The NTSB was the source of the list. Too bad nobody at KTVU thinks when they read news items. Some friends of mine got fired from their internships for emailing each other unflattering comments about the bosses via their work email addresses (email was new to them, didn't have it at their school in the late 1980s). Nothing makes a bigger impression in your job interviews than I interned at Dow Chemical, but they fired me before the semester was over and that's why my grade was a zero. At least this guy achieved something epic when he got fired from his internship. Or maybe Fedgov only fires people who tell the truth (whistleblowers), and this kid is still on the job? I suspect the meaning of Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated. is We fired the dipshit who thought his internship was a laughing matter. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
have seen a couple of versions of this in the last few days,... hard to know how much truth there is in any of these, but it does raise some interesting thoughts. cheers! e On 10/Jul/13 08:28, Rich Thomas wrote: An old friend sent this around, it might be internet BS but he does know a lot of people who know a lot of people with military/intel/aviation backgrounds, so I tend to think it is probably closer to true than not. But YMMV. --R For how many years did we hear some of this in CRM? From a friend of an old Pan Am friend. I heard a lot of the same stuff from a personal friend who just left one of the Japanese carriers and another who works for Singapore. For what it's worth.. *Subject: Fw: [retup] Low-down on Korean pilots* - hi enjoy your flight on Asiana.. After I retired from UAL as a Standards Captain on the --400, I got a job as a simulator instructor working for Alteon (a Boeing subsidiary) at Asiana. When I first got there, I was shocked and surprised by the lack of basic piloting skills shown by most of the pilots. It is not a normal situation with normal progression from new hire, right seat, left seat taking a decade or two. One big difference is that ex-Military pilots are given super-seniority and progress to the left seat much faster. Compared to the US, they also upgrade fairly rapidly because of the phenomenal growth by all Asian air carriers. By the way, after about six months at Asiana, I was moved over to KAL and found them to be identical. The only difference was the color of the uniforms and airplanes. I worked in Korea for 5 long years and although I found most of the people to be very pleasant, it's a minefield of a work environment ... for them and for us expats. One of the first things I learned was that the pilots kept a web-site and reported on every training session. I don't think this was officially sanctioned by the company, but after one or two simulator periods, a database was building on me (and everyone else) that told them exactly how I ran the sessions, what to expect on checks, and what to look out for. For example; I used to open an aft cargo door at 100 knots to get them to initiate an RTO and I would brief them on it during the briefing. This was on the B-737 NG and many of the captains were coming off the 777 or B744 and they were used to the Master Caution System being inhibited at 80 kts. Well, for the first few days after I started that, EVERYONE rejected the takeoff. Then, all of a sudden they all got it and continued the takeoff (in accordance with their manuals). The word had gotten out. I figured it was an overall PLUS for the training program. We expat instructors were forced upon them after the amount of fatal accidents (most of the them totally avoidable) over a decade began to be noticed by the outside world. They were basically given an ultimatum by the FAA, Transport Canada, and the EU to totally rebuild and rethink their training program or face being banned from the skies all over the world. They hired Boeing and Airbus to staff the training centers. KAL has one center and Asiana has another. When I was there (2003-2008) we had about 60 expats conducting training KAL and about 40 at Asiana. Most instructors were from the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand with a few stuffed in from Europe and Asia. Boeing also operated training centers in Singapore and China so they did hire some instructors from there. This solution has only been partially successful but still faces ingrained resistance from the Koreans. I lost track of the number of highly qualified instructors I worked with who were fired because they tried to enforce normal standards of performance. By normal standards, I would include being able to master basic tasks like successfully shoot a visual approach with 10 kt crosswind and the weather CAVOK. I am not kidding when I tell you that requiring them to shoot a visual approach struck fear in their hearts ... with good reason. Like this Asiana crew, it didnt' compute that you needed to be a 1000' AGL at 3 miles and your sink rate should be 600-800 Ft/Min. But, after 5 years, they finally nailed me. I still had to sign my name to their training and sometimes if I just couldn't pass someone on a check, I had no choice but to fail them. I usually busted about 3-5 crews a year and the resistance against me built. I finally failed an extremely incompetent crew and it turned out he was the a high-ranking captain who was the Chief Line Check pilot on the
Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash
interesting. it says they did, and says they don't. how very Double-Speak of them. cheers! e On 15/Jul/13 15:39, Mitch Haley wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: i've read that the NTSB has stated that they didn't release these names and didn't have anything to do with this list, and that KTVU claims this came to them off of a national feed,... no matter where they got it from, it's indeed proof that there's nobody with a brain engaged in the path, and they're simply regurgitating whatever is put in front of them. I saw a NTSB release that blamed an intern, I wasn't sure if the intern verified a list the TV folks got elsewhere or if he made it up himself. The way it reads seems to imply that he only confirmed it. The fact that the release can be located at NTSB.gov leads me to assume it's real. http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130712.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
in my experience with bicycles, i don't use WD40 for anything except cleaning stuff off; things that need a lube get a light oil. WD40 is a Water Dispersant, not a lube. if you don't get it all off, it becomes a dirt magnet. cheers! e On 02/Jul/13 09:14, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I give up!
what model is the gauge in the picture supposed to be for? because 123 547 27 57 is the same P/N as the one in our '85 (Cal) 300D. since the size of the fuel tanks (and possibly even the final drive ratio) are different, i find it unlikely that they should be the same. seems like you might be working with the wrong gauge cluster for that car. cheers! e On 16/Jun/13 15:32, G. M. Brown wrote: I know some of you may be a bit annoyed/upset in that I've only presented part of the problem/solution here but I would use up considerable bandwidth if I were to describe and include all the photos associated with this investigation. 1. I purchased an '85 300TD from my brother in 2010 for which he had recently had the fuel tank replaced in order to pass PA inspection due to rust/leakage and the fuel gauge started behaving oddly after the fuel tank replacement (Note: the odd behavior indicates rather quick indicating to the empty mark when the tank is 1/4-1/2 full). 2. I removed, cleaned and reinstalled the sending unit to no avail. I purchased a sending unit from the local PNP, managed to break the 40 gauge (mic'd. at 0.008mm) Nichrome wire, obtained Nichrome wire on the I-net, repaired both this unit and the original unit, and both behave similarly. 3. I've had two experiences with Ebay sellers where the 1st combi gauge (temp/fuel/oil pressure) purchased had a temp gauge which was not working and the 2nd was damaged in shipping due to poor packaging. I obtained a combi gauge from a 240D at the local PNP and it behaves similarly to the original 300TD combi gauge. I'm including this last photo here fyi as, considering how many times I've removed/installed sending units and combi gauges in this vehicle, I give up. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 combi gauge difference?
because (for starters) the tanks are different shapes/capacities? (not to mention several years different in design,...) cheers! e On 15/Jun/13 16:11, G. M. Brown wrote: The layout of the connections on the back of what I'll call the W123 combi gauge (temp./fuel/oil pressure) appear to be different between a 240D and a 300TD. Anyone know why? TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MPG
we've been looking at another car for when the wifes econobox finally disintegrates (pushing 300K on her Corolla now!) and i'm seriously considering trying to find a nice W126 with another 617 in it. as for what to do when my aging R1150GS Adv finally croaks, i have no idea; the only other thing that really interests me is a big KTM, and i'm probably not going to be able to get one of those before they go all hypertechy with the new liter-plus version. cheers! e On 19/Jun/13 12:39, Dieselhead wrote: Yes, they knew what they were doing back then. Even in the 50 and 60s they did well with the technology of the day, and still were advanced for the day. Unfortunately the bowties took over about 1987 and the old guard engineers retired or were forced into a box. Other than safety, I don't see any appeal of a newish MB over deetriot iron or riceburners. In fact, it is sad to say, but most camries are more aesthetically pleasant than ~ 2010+ MBs. I can say the same for BMW motorsickles too. /2 and earlier, /5, /6 and even /7 look nice. the current crop look like a riceburner, except for the ones with jugs hanging out look like riceburners with jugs. Even the early K series could be distinguished on the road as a BMW. All reasons I like 123 240Ds and my /5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MPG
thanks; felt good. certainly makes the occasional nuisance of a stuck latch or vacuum issue seem insignificant, especially in comparison to how much less classy and more fuss many newer vehicles are. really reinforces the impression that somebody knew what they were doing when they were making these things back then. (i'm not nearly as enamored with what they're making and/or selling here now.) cheers! e On 17/Jun/13 20:22, Dieselhead wrote: we typically see ~20MPG in mixed tanks of 'round-town and hwy flying while on B99 BioD. just got back from another thousand-mile weekend, [snip] Nice report! A great car doing what it was meant to do, even if it is 20-30º warmer in CA than in the Black Forest. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MPG (was: Re: more crazy travel)
we typically see ~20MPG in mixed tanks of 'round-town and hwy flying while on B99 BioD. just got back from another thousand-mile weekend, turning 80+ MPH for hours on I5 with the AC on in temps over 90*F in the Central Valley mixed with some stopslow one way through Los(t) Angeles. filling up with #2 at a couple of truck stops, it looks like we were seeing something in the range of 23MPG. saw indicated coolant temps briefly creep to ~110C while climbing the Grapevine both ways while still floating past much of the traffic, but otherwise saw ~90-95*C most of the time. still feels pretty good for and old car that looks and cruises as nicely as it does. cheers! e '85 300D (Calif car) On 16/Jun/13 18:31, Allan Streib wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. Isn't that awfully low for a turbo 617? Are you sure you don't have a clogged cat, stuck EGR, dirty fuel filters, etc.? (Have you CHANGED your FUSES?) 20MPG would be a little on the low side for a 617, but they don't do a whole lot better than mid-20's, in my experience. No cat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners
exactly; the dog has trained its owners well. sadly, most dog training problems are the result of a poorly trained owner. true Separation Anxiety issues can be a bitch (heh) to deal with, but it sounds like this couple could benefit from the services of a qualified behaviorist. in lieu of that, maybe you could order them a couple of videos from Leerburg or some such place,..? cheers! e On 09/Jun/13 15:54, WILTON wrote: 'Sounds like the dog has learned how to get treats, too - bark. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE who moves in her sight. They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor socialization before they got her. Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep her from barking so much. I don't mind, specifically because I know they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise. The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down. Quite funny. She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak). Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything, that would be a different story. Nice people, I can tolerate an over- protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched people. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers. it's a good thing you like the challenge! cheers! e On 06/Jun/13 19:00, Michael Esh wrote: http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel viscosity. Frybrid is the company from which I purchased my WVO system. The only item I have replaced is the temperature sensor that sends the signal to the controller that initiates the switchover valve to begin using the vegetable oil fuel system. Frybrid replaced the sensor without question. To those interested the site also contains a multitude of data and information concerning the use vegetable oil as a fuel in diesel engines. I do not have practical experience with any other WVO systems, however I read extensively about the other systems available and decided this was my best option. That said, I am replacing my fuel injection pump on my 84 300D with just over (to the best of my knowledge)300,000 miles on it. I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes. I like saving some money, helping the environment in a very small way, the challenge of keeping it working, and most of the all, the smell of veg oil in the morning. It smells like..well, chicken, shrimp, french fries, or fish. It all depends on where I picked up the oil. Thanks, Mike 231-286-2344 On May 29, 2013, at 11:24 AM, G Mann wrote: I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease the useful service life of the IP. I am active on another diesel only board that deals with Ford trucks with Indirect Injection [pre 1994] and several members there run WVO as well as Waste Motor Oil [50/50 blend with diesel]. What is happening with the IP's on those applications patterns after what I've seen on others. Early failure. Seems the average life is about 2 years instead of the average of 10 seen with Petro Diesel only. Run cheap fuel, buy expensive parts seems to be the mantra. Grant... AZ On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Smith, Todd todd.sm...@camc.org wrote: I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes more sense in my situation. All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that viscosity is by and large the silent killer of IP. Some of the tests that I have seen have shown SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal operating temperature for a properly warmed up system; showing viscosity far in excess of cold No.2 diesel. Mike, you don't have to take my word for it. When you get a chance, read the link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow; http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html . Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and one for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs. If there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel and would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts and Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have some effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue. If you do test your viscosity, please report back since I would love to see if in your situation it is the same as has been reported in other places. Thanks for your time. Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP
as i investigate further, i'm suspecting that this issue isn't with any
one line to any one door, as it's equally slow to lock or unlock, and
there isn't a significant difference between doors. (right rear seems a
little slower up and down, but i seem to recollect that it's always been
a little stiffer.)
i'm having a hard time reading some of the smaller text in the
scans of the factory service manual pages, and compounding the issue is
the fact that some of what the manual says isn't what i'm finding on the
car. hose line colors aren't the same, fittings don't seem to be hooked
up exactly as depicted; it's all a bit fiddly.
since the shifting still seems to be sharper than what i think is
ideal, i'm wondering if i don't have a significant leak at the
Transmission or somewhere en route to the Trans; any typical places i
should look?
cheers!
e
On 03/Jun/13 17:49, Scott Ritchey wrote:
Yes get them from Q2 and get spares. Also, another common problem on the
123 models is the vacuum switch inside the driver's door. That switch can
leak and it can also be out of adjustment to the point it dumps the vacuum
in one position or the other. As you troubleshoot you may find a leaking
vacuum motor or circuit (e.g. the locking gas cap circuit leaks). You can
use a golf tee to plug the line to that circuit or device to get the rest of
the system working or to allow you to troubleshoot the rest of the system.
This way you can identify all the failed parts vs. fixing one thing only to
find another problem.
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breakfield
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 11:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP
thanks again to all who pitched in with pointers on tracking down the
issues on this!
finally got around to poking into this some more; had to deal with
the getting the wifelets econo-box to pass Calif smog first. (cleaned up
EGR stuff, replaced a cracked Ex Manifold, ran de-carbonizing gunk
through the system, etc., all to no avail; still blows high on NOx, and
now also blows high on HCs,... sigh. but that's another story.)
got under the hood of the 300D ('85 Calif) to start looking at
stuff at the beginning, since none of the doors seem to be
locking/unlocking significantly worse than any of the rest. starting at
the check valve, i found that the rubber 120* 3-way and 90* 4-way 'T's
were cracked at the ends to the point where it was remarkable that they
were staying in place at all!
has anyone had any success in sourcing proper replacement parts for
these recently? is this the sort of thing Trent might be able to help
with (Trent?), or am i stuck with hoping the dealer will be useful, or,...?
cheers!
e
hi!
symptoms of a vacuum leak are rapidly showing up in our '85 300D
(Calif); first the locks got slow to engage (with the Right Rear
being the first and worst), shifting has become 'abrupt', and it's
rapidly progressed to where the motor is intermittently slow to shut
down when keying off.
is there a resource for how to trace down and repair leaks that
anyone can point me to? any hints or tips as to what tool(s) i'm
going to want?
as always, thanks in advance for any help!
cheers!
e
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?
i've found that if i go to the Craftsman site, i can look up the tool(s) i'm looking for and check to see where it's in stock on the website; so far they've never been wrong. cheers! e On 05/Jun/13 16:15, WILTON wrote: Trying to find a 3/8 drive 12 mm Allen socket this morning, I tried to call the tools desk/shop at Snears. 'Can't even find a number in the local directories for STORE main #! There are several 800 and 888 #s listed for such as Home improvement items, siding, roofing, air conditioning, appliance installation and 2 or 3 other general categories, but no # related to tools. Called auto service hoping somebody could tell me a store main #, but could not get anybody to answer. Finally got a answer (in India it sounded like) on home improvement #; told 'im I was trying to reach tools dept at local store; 'gave me a # of somebody trying to take reservations for hotel suites. 'Said to SWMBO, Can't find a local # for the Sears store. Few minutes later, I heard her in another room on the phone. She soon came in and handed me the phone while saying, Here, talk to my husband. Guess what?! Same guy in India I had talked to 30 minutes earlier; gave me the same wrong #; told 'im, 3 0 minutes ago, all I could get on that # is somebody selling hotel reservations. Then he said, Go on internet and find the tool in tools catalog. I did, but still unable to find anybody (clerk) to check shelf in local store for the item. 'Finally called friend who knows everybody in the county plus their phone numbers. He didn't have the # readily available but said he'd call back; called few min later and said, Try this #. I recognized the # he gave me as the OLD (years ago) main store #; friend musta had it in his cell phone. I dialed the # - shonuff operator at local main store answered! 'Asked for tools dept; finally got answer; asked again for tools -mechanic's hand tools; 'put me on hold listening to damned music that I DON'T like for 15 minutes; finally hung up and dialed again; told operator, again, Trying to reach tools dept/desk. On hold again 'bout 5 min; different guy came on asked him if they have 3/8 drive 12 mm Allen socket. 'Came back on in coupla minutes, Biggest we have is 10mm. NEARLY TOW HOURS TO GET AN ANSWER! Sears service has gone to hell. Meanwhile, I found 1/2 drive 12 mm Allen socket at Autozone, but had to get package containing 2 larger Allen sockets also. 'Think I can punch the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) and stick one end of it in a 3/8 drive 12 mm socket to make the 12 mm Allen socket I was trying to buy. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP
thanks again to all who pitched in with pointers on tracking down the
issues on this!
finally got around to poking into this some more; had to deal with
the getting the wifelets econo-box to pass Calif smog first. (cleaned up
EGR stuff, replaced a cracked Ex Manifold, ran de-carbonizing gunk
through the system, etc., all to no avail; still blows high on NOx, and
now also blows high on HCs,... sigh. but that's another story.)
got under the hood of the 300D ('85 Calif) to start looking at
stuff at the beginning, since none of the doors seem to be
locking/unlocking significantly worse than any of the rest. starting at
the check valve, i found that the rubber 120* 3-way and 90* 4-way 'T's
were cracked at the ends to the point where it was remarkable that they
were staying in place at all!
has anyone had any success in sourcing proper replacement parts for
these recently? is this the sort of thing Trent might be able to help
with (Trent?), or am i stuck with hoping the dealer will be useful, or,...?
cheers!
e
hi!
symptoms of a vacuum leak are rapidly showing up in our '85 300D
(Calif); first the locks got slow to engage (with the Right Rear
being the first and worst), shifting has become 'abrupt', and it's
rapidly progressed to where the motor is intermittently slow to shut
down when keying off.
is there a resource for how to trace down and repair leaks that
anyone can point me to? any hints or tips as to what tool(s) i'm
going to want?
as always, thanks in advance for any help!
cheers!
e
___
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Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues?
thanks Max, Dan, Curt, D'head, Scott, and Craig! (especially Craig who sent me a dizzying collection of files, with which i may be able to sort this out!) i'll try to track down a MityVac and the other associated stuff this weekend and get poking at it. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
