Re: [MBZ] 400E

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 23:59:48 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Electronic Throttle Actuator.

OK.

> 
> I Will be excited to actually try it out. A V8 in a 124 is great fun
> when running properly from what I’m told.

I had a '94 E420 with the M119 and, yes, it was great fun.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 400E

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Electronic Throttle Actuator. Basically there’s some complicated electronic 
bits inside the throttle body that take signals from the ECU and the 
Acceleration Slip Reduction (I think that’s the right words) sensors and 
modulates the throttle to prevent wheel spin among other things. There’s 
probably a lot more going on than that simple explanation but that’s basically 
how it works. I think all (or most of) the 500Es and 400Es had ASR so required 
this particular ETA. 

I Will be excited to actually try it out. A V8 in a 124 is great fun when 
running properly from what I’m told.  I might need to replace the ignition 
bits, distributors and wiring, as it looks like there are cheepchinee bits in 
there now but I’m hoping it will be good enough to have a go. 

 These were very special cars, like the 500E, built in collaboration with 
Porsche to fit a V8 in a modified (widened) 124 chassis. It’s actually a 4.2L 
M119 engine later called the E420.  The 500Es were built at a Porsche factory 
because they had widened fender flairs that couldn’t fit on the MB assembly 
line, the 400E has a standard body so was built at MB factory . 

--FT
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> On Mar 21, 2023, at 11:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 23:16:02 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I pulled the ETA some time ago as the car was running very badly and
>> the ETA was likely the culprit. I sent it off to this guy Don Roden who
>> rebuilds them. 
> 
> For those of us who are ignorant, what does ETA mean?
> 
> (I know it's not "Estimated Time of Arrival" ...)
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 23:16:02 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I pulled the ETA some time ago as the car was running very badly and
> the ETA was likely the culprit. I sent it off to this guy Don Roden who
> rebuilds them. 

For those of us who are ignorant, what does ETA mean?

(I know it's not "Estimated Time of Arrival" ...)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 400E

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It needs to come to Okie acres 

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> On Mar 21, 2023, at 10:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I pulled the ETA some time ago as the car was running very badly and the ETA 
> was likely the culprit. I sent it off to this guy Don Roden who rebuilds 
> them. 
> 
> He called me this morning after he got it and said it was the wrong ETA for 
> the car, a non-ASR ETA. Plus it was all corroded like it had been in water 
> and not rebuildable. So it appears at some point someone put the wrong ETA on 
> the car. The guy I bought it from got it from an estate sale, it had sat for 
> some time, so maybe the former owner had buggered it up. This guy and his dad 
> were working on it but decided to move on, they had done some ham handed 
> stuff to the engine stuff but fortunately didn’t mess it up too bad. Mostly 
> just crap parts. I replaced all the intake hoses and such with proper parts. 
> 
> The guy had another ETA in the trunk he had bought thinking maybe this was an 
> issue. Don told me what the proper part number was and this one was it. So he 
> said to send him this one for rebuild but I’m thinking I should probably give 
> it a try first to see if it works so I think I’ll put it on the car and see 
> if it works. Installing it is a bit of a pain but shouldn’t take too long. So 
> that’s on my card for the next few days. Would be cool if it works!
> 
> Fun times. 
> 
> --FT
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[MBZ] 400E

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I pulled the ETA some time ago as the car was running very badly and the ETA 
was likely the culprit. I sent it off to this guy Don Roden who rebuilds them. 

He called me this morning after he got it and said it was the wrong ETA for the 
car, a non-ASR ETA. Plus it was all corroded like it had been in water and not 
rebuildable. So it appears at some point someone put the wrong ETA on the car. 
The guy I bought it from got it from an estate sale, it had sat for some time, 
so maybe the former owner had buggered it up. This guy and his dad were working 
on it but decided to move on, they had done some ham handed stuff to the engine 
stuff but fortunately didn’t mess it up too bad. Mostly just crap parts. I 
replaced all the intake hoses and such with proper parts. 

The guy had another ETA in the trunk he had bought thinking maybe this was an 
issue. Don told me what the proper part number was and this one was it. So he 
said to send him this one for rebuild but I’m thinking I should probably give 
it a try first to see if it works so I think I’ll put it on the car and see if 
it works. Installing it is a bit of a pain but shouldn’t take too long. So 
that’s on my card for the next few days. Would be cool if it works!

Fun times. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s most likely what I have. 

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> On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If the clear coat has worn through or peeled off there’s nothing you can do. 
> The finish is toast.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Will that work on a car with clear coat?
>> 
>>> On 11/17/2022 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Repost for Kaleb.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint
>>> 
>>> You’ll need some stuff
>>> 
>>> Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much 
>>> and works great, a kit
>>> Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used 
>>> for the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit 
>>> but I also bought more
>>> Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay 
>>> bars, buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.
>>> 
>>> Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again 
>>> and left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. 
>>> This thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to 
>>> get it knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it 
>>> wet and lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint 
>>> isn’t loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and 
>>> circular motions, whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.
>>> 
>>> Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest 
>>> pad and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage 
>>> paint I spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive 
>>> so I’m not actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn 
>>> black so not much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.
>>> 
>>> Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish 
>>> and a lighter pad.
>>> 
>>> Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.
>>> 
>>> This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
>>> paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s 
>>> kinda tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it 
>>> all around.
>>> 
>>> The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking 
>>> amazing and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish 
>>> is really smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle 
>>> but can really improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well 
>>> too as there is not a rough finish under it.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

If the clear coat has worn through or peeled off there’s nothing you can do. 
The finish is toast.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will that work on a car with clear coat?
> 
> On 11/17/2022 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Repost for Kaleb.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint
>> 
>> You’ll need some stuff
>> 
>> Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much 
>> and works great, a kit
>> Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used 
>> for the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit but 
>> I also bought more
>> Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay bars, 
>> buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.
>> 
>> Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again 
>> and left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. 
>> This thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to 
>> get it knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it wet 
>> and lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint 
>> isn’t loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and circular 
>> motions, whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.
>> 
>> Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest pad 
>> and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage paint 
>> I spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive so I’m 
>> not actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn black so 
>> not much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.
>> 
>> Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish 
>> and a lighter pad.
>> 
>> Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.
>> 
>> This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
>> paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s 
>> kinda tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it 
>> all around.
>> 
>> The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking amazing 
>> and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish is really 
>> smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle but can 
>> really improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well too as 
>> there is not a rough finish under it.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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On 11/17/22 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Will that work on a car with clear coat?

On 11/17/2022 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Repost for Kaleb.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

You’ll need some stuff

Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too 
much and works great, a kit
Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and 
used for the different polishing steps, I think some were with the 
buffer kit but I also bought more
Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had 
clay bars, buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the 
four steps.


Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood 
again and left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in 
on the paint. This thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. 
Took quite awhile to get it knocked down. I have a spray bottle of 
soapy water too to keep it wet and lubricated. Watch the clay bar to 
make sure the crap from the paint isn’t loading it up, you can keep 
folding it over. I use linear and circular motions, whatever works. 
Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.


Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your 
coarsest pad and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this 
single stage paint I spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is 
not too aggressive so I’m not actually sure how much paint it took 
down. The pad didn’t turn black so not much I guess. On clear coat 
you’d have to be more careful.


Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with 
polish and a lighter pad.


Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.

This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp 
if the paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different 
days. It’s kinda tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work 
you have to work it all around.


The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking 
amazing and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final 
finish is really smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not 
a miracle but can really improve the appearance of a car. The wax 
step holds up well too as there is not a rough finish under it.


--FT
Sent from iFōn

On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yes but you have to be more careful not to go through the clear with the first 
buffing compound. I have only done 040 black cars so far, that is single-stage 
paint so you can go at it pretty aggressively. 

--FT
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> On Nov 17, 2022, at 10:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will that work on a car with clear coat?
> 
>> On 11/17/2022 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Repost for Kaleb.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint
>> 
>> You’ll need some stuff
>> 
>> Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much 
>> and works great, a kit
>> Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used 
>> for the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit but 
>> I also bought more
>> Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay bars, 
>> buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.
>> 
>> Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again 
>> and left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. 
>> This thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to 
>> get it knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it wet 
>> and lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint 
>> isn’t loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and circular 
>> motions, whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.
>> 
>> Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest pad 
>> and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage paint 
>> I spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive so I’m 
>> not actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn black so 
>> not much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.
>> 
>> Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish 
>> and a lighter pad.
>> 
>> Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.
>> 
>> This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
>> paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s 
>> kinda tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it 
>> all around.
>> 
>> The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking amazing 
>> and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish is really 
>> smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle but can 
>> really improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well too as 
>> there is not a rough finish under it.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Will that work on a car with clear coat?

On 11/17/2022 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Repost for Kaleb.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

You’ll need some stuff

Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much and 
works great, a kit
Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used for 
the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit but I also 
bought more
Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay bars, 
buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.

Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again and 
left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. This 
thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to get it 
knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it wet and 
lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint isn’t 
loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and circular motions, 
whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.

Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest pad 
and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage paint I 
spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive so I’m not 
actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn black so not 
much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.

Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish and a 
lighter pad.

Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.

This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s kinda 
tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it all 
around.

The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking amazing 
and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish is really 
smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle but can really 
improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well too as there is not 
a rough finish under it.

--FT
Sent from iFōn


On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Repost for Kaleb.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: November 13, 2022 6:58 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

You’ll need some stuff

Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much and 
works great, a kit
Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used for 
the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit but I also 
bought more
Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay bars, 
buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.

Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again and 
left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. This 
thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to get it 
knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it wet and 
lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint isn’t 
loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and circular motions, 
whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.

Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest pad 
and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage paint I 
spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive so I’m not 
actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn black so not 
much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.

Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish and a 
lighter pad.

Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.

This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s kinda 
tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it all 
around.

The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking amazing 
and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish is really 
smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle but can really 
improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well too as there is not 
a rough finish under it.

--FT
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> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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HF have a RO buffer on sale this week. Looks very similar to mine

https://go.harborfreight.com/email/2022/11/180020-56367/

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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Not typical - and you often will notice it. The instances where I’ve seen it 
are when people do the clay bar treatment without washing the car first, so 
there are all sorts of surface contaminants on it that the clay bar picks up.

-D
 

> On Nov 14, 2022, at 12:21 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess it didn’t do any harm as the paint came out looking lots better, and 
> again it’s 30yo paint so lots better than one might expect 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2022, at 11:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Clay bar won’t cause any scratches unless you get something nasty embedded 
>> in it and drag it across the paint, but it’s usually a good idea to do it 
>> lengthwise just in case.
>> 
>> It’s when people try compounding by hand (bad idea) where you’ll get visible 
>> scratches usually.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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I guess it didn’t do any harm as the paint came out looking lots better, and 
again it’s 30yo paint so lots better than one might expect 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Nov 14, 2022, at 11:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay bar won’t cause any scratches unless you get something nasty embedded in 
> it and drag it across the paint, but it’s usually a good idea to do it 
> lengthwise just in case.
> 
> It’s when people try compounding by hand (bad idea) where you’ll get visible 
> scratches usually.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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Clay bar won’t cause any scratches unless you get something nasty embedded in 
it and drag it across the paint, but it’s usually a good idea to do it 
lengthwise just in case.

It’s when people try compounding by hand (bad idea) where you’ll get visible 
scratches usually.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Attaboy!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering about that procedure. Your suggestion makes sense. I didn’t 
>> really see any effect of the clay bar on the actual paint other than taking 
>> off the crusty layer of schmutz. I went all different ways with it, I was 
>> wondering if that was “right.” 
>> 
>> I went at it with the compound for awhile so maybe that took down whatever 
>> the bar did.
>> 
>> In any case it came out well. 
>> 
>> There are a coupla dings on the door that almost look like bullet hits. They 
>> are rusty. I’ll need to get after those spots soon. I was thinking I might 
>> be able to bang them out from inside then grind out the rust with a dremel 
>> or drill grinding stone and at least prime it for now. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 8:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And do your clay bar and any other operations that can affect the finish in 
>>> a linear motion along the length of the car. You’re scratching the finish 
>>> under some circumstances, albeit microscopically. However, by going the 
>>> length of the car makes those scratches far less obvious to the eye, 
>>> especially under bright light.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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Attaboy!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about that procedure. Your suggestion makes sense. I didn’t 
> really see any effect of the clay bar on the actual paint other than taking 
> off the crusty layer of schmutz. I went all different ways with it, I was 
> wondering if that was “right.” 
> 
> I went at it with the compound for awhile so maybe that took down whatever 
> the bar did.
> 
> In any case it came out well. 
> 
> There are a coupla dings on the door that almost look like bullet hits. They 
> are rusty. I’ll need to get after those spots soon. I was thinking I might be 
> able to bang them out from inside then grind out the rust with a dremel or 
> drill grinding stone and at least prime it for now. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 8:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And do your clay bar and any other operations that can affect the finish in 
>> a linear motion along the length of the car. You’re scratching the finish 
>> under some circumstances, albeit microscopically. However, by going the 
>> length of the car makes those scratches far less obvious to the eye, 
>> especially under bright light.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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I was wondering about that procedure. Your suggestion makes sense. I didn’t 
really see any effect of the clay bar on the actual paint other than taking off 
the crusty layer of schmutz. I went all different ways with it, I was wondering 
if that was “right.” 

 I went at it with the compound for awhile so maybe that took down whatever the 
bar did.

In any case it came out well. 

There are a coupla dings on the door that almost look like bullet hits. They 
are rusty. I’ll need to get after those spots soon. I was thinking I might be 
able to bang them out from inside then grind out the rust with a dremel or 
drill grinding stone and at least prime it for now. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 8:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And do your clay bar and any other operations that can affect the finish in a 
> linear motion along the length of the car. You’re scratching the finish under 
> some circumstances, albeit microscopically. However, by going the length of 
> the car makes those scratches far less obvious to the eye, especially under 
> bright light.

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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This is why I LOVE the 040 color code. This is probably the easiest color/paint 
scheme on a Mercedes to recover, that is, get back to as close to the original 
finish as possible.

That’s not saying the process is easy, as Floyd points out it’s time consuming 
and tiring, especially if you do it right like he is. However, once this is 
done, maintaining that finish is a lot easier.

This is why I love single stage paint colors. You can take a really awful 
looking finish and with a minimum of expense bring it back to the point where 
it looks really nice.

And do your clay bar and any other operations that can affect the finish in a 
linear motion along the length of the car. You’re scratching the finish under 
some circumstances, albeit microscopically. However, by going the length of the 
car makes those scratches far less obvious to the eye, especially under bright 
light.

Nice job!

-D

On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

You’ll need some stuff

Random orbit variable speed buffer— I got one off Amazon, was not too much and 
works great, a kit
Foam pads of different “coarseness” — these are different colors and used for 
the different polishing steps, I think some were with the buffer kit but I also 
bought more
Buffing and polishing stuff. I got a package of Meguiars that had clay bars, 
buffing compound, polish, and finishing wax. These are the four steps.

Wash the car well. I washed it yesterday so just went over the hood again and 
left the soapy water on it. Get the clay bar and start in on the paint. This 
thing felt really rough like 300grit sandpaper. Took quite awhile to get it 
knocked down. I have a spray bottle of soapy water too to keep it wet and 
lubricated. Watch the clay bar to make sure the crap from the paint isn’t 
loading it up, you can keep folding it over. I use linear and circular motions, 
whatever works. Keep at it until the paint feels smooth.

Wash off the clay bar stuff and dry off the work area. Get your coarsest pad 
and put some dabs of the buffing compound on it. On this single stage paint I 
spent quite a bit of time on it. The compound is not too aggressive so I’m not 
actually sure how much paint it took down. The pad didn’t turn black so not 
much I guess. On clear coat you’d have to be more careful.

Wipe that stuff off (it dries like wax does) then do the same with polish and a 
lighter pad.

Wipe that off then do the final step with the wax and the lightest pad.

This is not a fast process. To do a whole car would take all day esp if the 
paint is damaged or grungy. I do bits at a time over different days. It’s kinda 
tiring too, even if the machine is doing the work you have to work it all 
around.

The results are pretty amazing. The 040 black CL500 came out looking amazing 
and this 400E is also going to look really good. The final finish is really 
smooth and a lot of imperfections come out. It’s not a miracle but can really 
improve the appearance of a car. The wax step holds up well too as there is not 
a rough finish under it.

--FT
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> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I did a 4-stage paint correction on the hood today. It’s amazing what a 
>> difference it made and how good the paint looks on a 30yo car. Hard to see 
>> on the pic but it was just really crusty and dull. The 040 black really 
>> popped with the process. There are still some small flaws in the paint that 
>> are visible up close but overall it looks really nice. Will get to the rest 
>> of the car soon.
>>
>> I did the tape thing down the middle and did one half first to get a sense 
>> of the difference.
>>

>>
>>
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
 On Nov 13, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail 
 mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I washed it yesterday and noticed that while it looks pretty good from 
>>> 10ft the finish is really nasty. I think I’m going to try the clay bar on 
>>> just the hood and maybe hit it with a coupla polishing stages to see how it 
>>> comes out. I’ll do that tape down the middle thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Sorry. That was just too easy.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HAHA.  I would be interested in said TD but it is well into near crack 
> territory, no offense intended.
> 
> On 11/13/2022 6:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Are you talking about your 300TD sale again?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delusion
>>> Denial
>>> Disenchantment
>>> Disappointment
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 5:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I did a 4-stage paint correction on the hood today. It’s amazing what a
 difference it made and how good the paint looks on a 30yo car. Hard to see
 on the pic but it was just really crusty and dull. The 040 black really
 popped with the process. There are still some small flaws in the paint that
 are visible up close but overall it looks really nice. Will get to the rest
 of the car soon.
> I did the tape thing down the middle and did one half first to get a
 sense of the difference.
> 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
 buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I washed it yesterday and noticed that while it looks pretty good from
 10ft the finish is really nasty. I think I’m going to try the clay bar on
 just the hood and maybe hit it with a coupla polishing stages to see how it
 comes out. I’ll do that tape down the middle thing.
>> 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

HAHA.  I would be interested in said TD but it is well into near crack 
territory, no offense intended.


On 11/13/2022 6:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Are you talking about your 300TD sale again?

-D


On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Delusion
Denial
Disenchantment
Disappointment

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 5:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I did a 4-stage paint correction on the hood today. It’s amazing what a

difference it made and how good the paint looks on a 30yo car. Hard to see
on the pic but it was just really crusty and dull. The 040 black really
popped with the process. There are still some small flaws in the paint that
are visible up close but overall it looks really nice. Will get to the rest
of the car soon.

I did the tape thing down the middle and did one half first to get a

sense of the difference.



--FT
Sent from iFōn


On Nov 13, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail <

buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I washed it yesterday and noticed that while it looks pretty good from

10ft the finish is really nasty. I think I’m going to try the clay bar on
just the hood and maybe hit it with a coupla polishing stages to see how it
comes out. I’ll do that tape down the middle thing.



--FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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Are you talking about your 300TD sale again?

-D

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Delusion
> Denial
> Disenchantment
> Disappointment
> 
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 5:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did a 4-stage paint correction on the hood today. It’s amazing what a
>> difference it made and how good the paint looks on a 30yo car. Hard to see
>> on the pic but it was just really crusty and dull. The 040 black really
>> popped with the process. There are still some small flaws in the paint that
>> are visible up close but overall it looks really nice. Will get to the rest
>> of the car soon.
>>> 
>>> I did the tape thing down the middle and did one half first to get a
>> sense of the difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
>> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 I washed it yesterday and noticed that while it looks pretty good from
>> 10ft the finish is really nasty. I think I’m going to try the clay bar on
>> just the hood and maybe hit it with a coupla polishing stages to see how it
>> comes out. I’ll do that tape down the middle thing.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E paint

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Delusion
Denial
Disenchantment
Disappointment

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 5:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So what is this 4 stage process you are talking about?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I did a 4-stage paint correction on the hood today. It’s amazing what a
> difference it made and how good the paint looks on a 30yo car. Hard to see
> on the pic but it was just really crusty and dull. The 040 black really
> popped with the process. There are still some small flaws in the paint that
> are visible up close but overall it looks really nice. Will get to the rest
> of the car soon.
> >
> > I did the tape thing down the middle and did one half first to get a
> sense of the difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Nov 13, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I washed it yesterday and noticed that while it looks pretty good from
> 10ft the finish is really nasty. I think I’m going to try the clay bar on
> just the hood and maybe hit it with a coupla polishing stages to see how it
> comes out. I’ll do that tape down the middle thing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --FT
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[MBZ] 400E work

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I put a new throttle cable on today and went to adjust it per the procedure. 
This car supposedly has ASR per the build sheet and the idiot light for it is 
on. But the ASR actuator stuff on the throttle linkage is not there. Most 
curious. 

I’m waiting on all the intake manifold hoses and connectors and such. It won’t 
idle and is running very rich. I’m hoping that stuff fixes that aspect. The new 
throttle cable actually controls the engine speed better, the old one was 
broken at the engine end and there was a lock washer to hold it in the lever so 
it was not working very well 

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[MBZ] 400E and 500E

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Turns out the 400E and 500E share the same frame mods that were done by Porsche 
to fit the M119 but the 500 got the wider body mods and the more powerful 
version of the engine. MB then built the 400 in their factory after painting 
the white body but Porsche had to build the 500 back at theirs because it 
wouldn’t fit on the Benz line. Very interesting cars. 

Good vid on the details 
https://youtu.be/2sCki6KlTf8

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Re: [MBZ] 400E picked up

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"I think it will be a relatively easy project"

We look forward to the narrative.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 9:29 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Got the 400E today. It was a challenge to run it up on the trailer with
> the running and idle issues but I managed. The ASR issue seemed to have the
> controller kicking in and it was jerky driving and tranny engaging. Engine
> started right up and ran albeit rough.  Pulled it home with the ML500,
> which likes to suck gas towing a car but did quite well at 75-80.
>
> I think it will be a relatively easy project.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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No a guy called friendly neighborhood technician 

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> On Oct 21, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I found a whole series of videos by a guy who basically rebuilt everything 
>> on and around the engine so I’m going to dig into those things
> 
> Do tell. Which YouTube channel?
> 
> This one?
> 
> https://m.youtube.com/user/1979M100985
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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> I found a whole series of videos by a guy who basically rebuilt everything on 
> and around the engine so I’m going to dig into those things

Do tell. Which YouTube channel?

This one?

https://m.youtube.com/user/1979M100985


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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Yeah, I forgot about the buggered breather system. That’s another big influence 
on the ability to idle properly.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I found a whole series of videos by a guy who basically rebuilt everything on 
> and around the engine so I’m going to dig into those things. Dan has provided 
> some good insights and linked me to some good forum posts on the issues. I 
> ordered a new throttle cable which is kinda key as the one on it now is 
> broken at the engine end. The car runs poorly, just won’t idle and dies. So 
> at least the engine itself is not buggered, it’s wiring, intake hoses, and 
> the ETA. Maybe $1k worth of parts and ETA rebuild. So it will be interesting 
> to nip away at it. I’m gonna try to go pick it up tomorrow or Saturday. 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at a lot of the information he has one the car, and the PO has 
>> totally wrong wires on it, which will really screw things up, as well as an 
>> ETA that’s very possibly the incorrect one. These two things alone, combined 
>> with the fact that the car has been sitting can easily cause the isle issue. 
>> More likely than not, the ETA needs to be rebuilt. This can’t be determined 
>> until everything is set to spec in the throttle system first.
>> 
>> EZLs aren’t common failures, and when they are it’s often a binary failure 
>> as in there’s either spark or there’s not.
>> 
>> I’m betting the wiring insulation inside the harness jacket of the ETA has 
>> turned to dust, very common by now. Rarely diagnosed because people don’t 
>> usually split the jacket open and look.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is just that half the coils may decide not to fire, but the onboard
>>> diagnostics, such as they are, will spit out some code that doesnt tell you
>>> anything about that. Or anything else. Throttle body and wiring harnesses
>>> are kind of the minimum to start. Then ezl modules and the rest of the
>>> electronic boxes up front. And that weird ignition module inside the front
>>> fender. Cool car for sure but not worth the headache imho as a driver.
>>> 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime.
 
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> 
> I thought you already bought it?
> 
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>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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>> 
>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
 had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
 mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
 car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
 mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
 check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
 I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
 cool car.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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I found a whole series of videos by a guy who basically rebuilt everything on 
and around the engine so I’m going to dig into those things. Dan has provided 
some good insights and linked me to some good forum posts on the issues. I 
ordered a new throttle cable which is kinda key as the one on it now is broken 
at the engine end. The car runs poorly, just won’t idle and dies. So at least 
the engine itself is not buggered, it’s wiring, intake hoses, and the ETA. 
Maybe $1k worth of parts and ETA rebuild. So it will be interesting to nip away 
at it. I’m gonna try to go pick it up tomorrow or Saturday. 

--FT
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> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I looked at a lot of the information he has one the car, and the PO has 
> totally wrong wires on it, which will really screw things up, as well as an 
> ETA that’s very possibly the incorrect one. These two things alone, combined 
> with the fact that the car has been sitting can easily cause the isle issue. 
> More likely than not, the ETA needs to be rebuilt. This can’t be determined 
> until everything is set to spec in the throttle system first.
> 
> EZLs aren’t common failures, and when they are it’s often a binary failure as 
> in there’s either spark or there’s not.
> 
> I’m betting the wiring insulation inside the harness jacket of the ETA has 
> turned to dust, very common by now. Rarely diagnosed because people don’t 
> usually split the jacket open and look.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is just that half the coils may decide not to fire, but the onboard
>> diagnostics, such as they are, will spit out some code that doesnt tell you
>> anything about that. Or anything else. Throttle body and wiring harnesses
>> are kind of the minimum to start. Then ezl modules and the rest of the
>> electronic boxes up front. And that weird ignition module inside the front
>> fender. Cool car for sure but not worth the headache imho as a driver.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 6:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime.
>>> 
>>> —FT
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I thought you already bought it?
 
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> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
>>> had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
>>> mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
>>> car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
>>> mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
>>> check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
>>> I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
>>> cool car.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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I looked at a lot of the information he has one the car, and the PO has totally 
wrong wires on it, which will really screw things up, as well as an ETA that’s 
very possibly the incorrect one. These two things alone, combined with the fact 
that the car has been sitting can easily cause the isle issue. More likely than 
not, the ETA needs to be rebuilt. This can’t be determined until everything is 
set to spec in the throttle system first.

EZLs aren’t common failures, and when they are it’s often a binary failure as 
in there’s either spark or there’s not.

I’m betting the wiring insulation inside the harness jacket of the ETA has 
turned to dust, very common by now. Rarely diagnosed because people don’t 
usually split the jacket open and look.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is just that half the coils may decide not to fire, but the onboard
> diagnostics, such as they are, will spit out some code that doesnt tell you
> anything about that. Or anything else. Throttle body and wiring harnesses
> are kind of the minimum to start. Then ezl modules and the rest of the
> electronic boxes up front. And that weird ignition module inside the front
> fender. Cool car for sure but not worth the headache imho as a driver.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 6:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime.
>> 
>> —FT
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you already bought it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
>> had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
>> mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
>> car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
>> mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
>> check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
>> I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
>> cool car.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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It is just that half the coils may decide not to fire, but the onboard
diagnostics, such as they are, will spit out some code that doesnt tell you
anything about that. Or anything else. Throttle body and wiring harnesses
are kind of the minimum to start. Then ezl modules and the rest of the
electronic boxes up front. And that weird ignition module inside the front
fender. Cool car for sure but not worth the headache imho as a driver.

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> Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime.
>
> —FT
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > I thought you already bought it?
> >
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> >> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
> had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
> mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
> car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
> mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
> check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
> I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
> cool car.
> >>
> >> —FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Lowball price was...

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> Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime.
>
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> > On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
> had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
> mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
> car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
> mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
> check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
> I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
> cool car.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Yeah I agreed to buy it, will go get it end of the week sometime. 

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>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had 
>> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly 
>> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car 
>> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly 
>> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out 
>> trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m gonna 
>> LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool car. 
>> 
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That is screaming out for a “that’s what she said.”

AZBob 

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> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I tend to not pay very close attention to things.
> 
>> On 10/16/2022 7:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> He did. Old post was in the queue and I just released it. Hence the reason 
>> for my admin post.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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>>> 
>>> I thought you already bought it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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  wrote:
 
 I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had 
 sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly 
 very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car 
 actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is 
 mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to 
 check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. 
 I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very 
 cool car.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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I tend to not pay very close attention to things.

On 10/16/2022 7:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

He did. Old post was in the queue and I just released it. Hence the reason for 
my admin post.

-D


On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I thought you already bought it?

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I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had sat 
for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly very nice. 
Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car actually very 
clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly fuel and intake 
and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out trans and steering 
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and see what he says. Could be a very cool car.

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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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He did. Old post was in the queue and I just released it. Hence the reason for 
my admin post.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I thought you already bought it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had 
>> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly 
>> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car 
>> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly 
>> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out 
>> trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m gonna 
>> LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool car. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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I thought you already bought it?

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> On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had 
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly very 
> nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car actually 
> very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly fuel and 
> intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out trans and 
> steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m gonna LOBALL the 
> guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool car. 
> 
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[MBZ] 400E

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I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had sat 
for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly very nice. 
Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car actually very 
clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly fuel and intake 
and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out trans and steering 
etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow 
and see what he says. Could be a very cool car. 

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Lost track of how many cars Floyd has saved from the crusher.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 7:08 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Everything is for sale. Give me your bid. NO LOBALLERS I NO WHAT I GOT
>
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> > On Oct 12, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It needs to come to Okie acres. I have been looking for one.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> And throttle body.  I will dig more into it after I get it next week.
> I LOBALLED him and we struck a deal at what I think is a reasonable price
> given what it will probably need engine-wise.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
>  On 10/12/22 5:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> >>> Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> 
>  Why?
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> >
> > Run away.
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after
> it had
> >> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
> mostly
> >> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and
> whole car
> >> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which
> is mostly
> >> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
> check
> >> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
> I’m
> >> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
> cool
> >> car.
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Everything is for sale. Give me your bid. NO LOBALLERS I NO WHAT I GOT

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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It needs to come to Okie acres. I have been looking for one. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And throttle body.  I will dig more into it after I get it next week.  I 
>> LOBALLED him and we struck a deal at what I think is a reasonable price 
>> given what it will probably need engine-wise.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
 On 10/12/22 5:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>>> Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Why?
 
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> On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via 
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> 
> Run away.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
>> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
>> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
>> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is 
>> mostly
>> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
>> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
>> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
>> car.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Upper is. Lower would need to be rebuilt which poos says he has done and it’s 
not hard

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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Probably is. Are these still available?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Run away.
 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is 
> mostly
> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
> car.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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It needs to come to Okie acres. I have been looking for one. 

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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And throttle body.  I will dig more into it after I get it next week.  I 
> LOBALLED him and we struck a deal at what I think is a reasonable price given 
> what it will probably need engine-wise.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/12/22 5:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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 On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Run away.
 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is 
> mostly
> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
> car.
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Probably is. Are these still available?

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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.
> 
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>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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 On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Run away.
>>> 
 On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
 sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
 very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
 actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
 fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
 out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
 gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
 car.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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And throttle body.  I will dig more into it after I get it next week.  I 
LOBALLED him and we struck a deal at what I think is a reasonable price 
given what it will probably need engine-wise.


--FT

On 10/12/22 5:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 12, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
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Why?

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Run away.


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
car.

—FT

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Wonder if the problem is engine wiring harness.

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> Why?
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>> Run away.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
>>> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
>>> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
>>> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
>>> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
>>> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
>>> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
>>> car.
 
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Why?

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> On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Run away.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
>> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
>> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
>> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
>> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
>> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
>> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
>> car.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Run away.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
> car.
> >
> > —FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Asking price?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
> car.
> >
> > —FT
> >
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[MBZ] 400E

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had sat 
for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly very nice. 
Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car actually very 
clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly fuel and intake 
and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check out trans and steering 
etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow 
and see what he says. Could be a very cool car. 
> 
> —FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

OK but then these dudes are looking at binning the entire stock engine
management system and doing a megasquirt or something.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:15 PM Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes <
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> I've been driving around with a turbocharged GDI lean burn engine at 10:1.
> 30-33psi MAP (16-19 boost) is quite attainable.
> 87 octane recommended, but that requires a lot of knock retard.
> When it gets warmer than 50 deg outside I run 93 octane in it.
> Mitch.
>
> On Thu, April 2, 2020 12:52 pm, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Wondering how supercharging a motor with 11:1 pistons is going to work.
> > But
> > the m119 turbo was their LMP race motor for quite a while, so maybe it
> > will be ok.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

I've been driving around with a turbocharged GDI lean burn engine at 10:1.
30-33psi MAP (16-19 boost) is quite attainable.
87 octane recommended, but that requires a lot of knock retard.
When it gets warmer than 50 deg outside I run 93 octane in it.
Mitch.

On Thu, April 2, 2020 12:52 pm, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> Wondering how supercharging a motor with 11:1 pistons is going to work.
> But
> the m119 turbo was their LMP race motor for quite a while, so maybe it
> will be ok.


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Re: [MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

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Water/ethanol injection with computerized ignition timing ---

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:02 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wondering how supercharging a motor with 11:1 pistons is going to work. But
> the m119 turbo was their LMP race motor for quite a while, so maybe it will
> be ok.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

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Wondering how supercharging a motor with 11:1 pistons is going to work. But
the m119 turbo was their LMP race motor for quite a while, so maybe it will
be ok.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 11:07 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> English translation:
> "Here, hold my beer, and watch this."
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:43 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Anyone here speak German?
> >
> > https://youtu.be/IwaJ70FhTDk
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:27 PM Craig via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
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> > > FYI.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560-sel-11/
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

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English translation:
"Here, hold my beer, and watch this."

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:43 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Anyone here speak German?
>
> https://youtu.be/IwaJ70FhTDk
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:27 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> > FYI.
> >
> >
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560-sel-11/
> >
> >
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[MBZ] 400e centrifugal supercharger project

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone here speak German?

https://youtu.be/IwaJ70FhTDk

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:27 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> FYI.
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560-sel-11/
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>
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[MBZ] 400E looks decent, kinda high

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/197595888154908/

1993 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 400 E Sedan 4D
Brunswick, GA· 3 hours ago 
· 


$4,950

 * About This Vehicle
 *

 *
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 o Driven 210,000 miles
 *
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 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Grey · Interior color: Tan
 *
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 o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
 *
 o

 o Very good condition
   

 * Typical Features
 *

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   Moon Roof
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   ABS
 *
   AM/FM Stereo
 *

Seller's Description

Very clean 93 400e. Has two new rear tires, new evaporator, caps/rotors 
and fresh service. Has after market radio with remote. Has 210,000 miles 
runs like new and everything works Less 



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Blog

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Only possible downside - I was told that white Mercedes are less popular
than other colors.

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Updated the blog tonight.  Entry on seat recovering and remaining items.
>
> Not much left to do on this car, if anything.  It’s pretty sweet at this
> point.
>
> I wonder if BAT would list it…….
>
> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html  400E_Blog.html>
>
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[MBZ] 400E Blog

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Updated the blog tonight.  Entry on seat recovering and remaining items.

Not much left to do on this car, if anything.  It’s pretty sweet at this point.

I wonder if BAT would list it…….

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html 


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[MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Low key day today…

Put the new “Battery in Trunk” label on the new apparatus box cover.

Put the “Mercedes and AMG prefer Mobil1 Products” label on the fan shroud.

Replaced the lower windshield trim/seal on the right side, as the original was 
coming apart.  Replaced the seal on the left side part, too.

Installed a used OE window regulator on the left rear door, as the original one 
was toast.  Motor appeared to be dead as the cable was stuck and wouldn’t move. 
 I bet the thermal breaker in the motor is just open circuited, but I was too 
“meh” to bother taking it apart to check.

Installed a nice used center vent assembly to replace the original, which was 
self destructing and no longer working properly.

I still have some other things to do to the car, but they’re all major 
undertakings (motor mounts, headliner.)  Not sure I’ll take one of them on 
tomorrow.

-D


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[MBZ] 400E Update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Haven’t one much lately, just driven it a bit to enjoy.

Got a new (used) grille shell installed on Tuesday along with a new apparatus 
box cover and center vents.  Replaced the driver’s door speaker and sorted the 
left rear parcel shelf speaker, and now the Becker system sounds wonderful.

I have a couple of engine mounts I might try and install this weekend, I 
haven’t decided yet.  I want to replace the headliner as well, but that’s going 
to be an undertaking.  Need to figure out why the left rear window doesn’t 
work, too.  Not sure if it’s a switch or motor/regulator issue.  I have a spare 
regulator and motor on the shelf, so that’s available should I need it.

Filled up the first tank of fuel - 18 mpg.  Not bad for just tooling around 
town and taking into account some fuel loss from filter changes and other work 
I’ve done.  I bet I can get it over 20 mpg if I ran most of a tank on the 
highway.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not presently.  I like this car too well to let it go right now.  Maybe in the 
future when I tire of it, but for now I plan on enjoying it for a while.  Nice 
to have a solid spare driver, and the youngster is flying the coop shortly, so 
I’ll have a good spot to store it once he’s gone.

It still has things it needs, but it’s stuff that can wait and be done at my 
leisure.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> New windshield on Monday, then all is well >for the most part.
> 
> Rinse and repeat?
> (Buy another one and flip?)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

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Dan sez:

>New windshield on Monday, then all is well >for the most part.

Rinse and repeat?
(Buy another one and flip?)

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

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Figured out the speaker, and it was just as I suspected.

The crossover capacitor in the smaller high frequency drivers was shorted.  I 
clipped one end of it to take it out of the circuit and I now have the large 
driver working again.  Probably wasn’t doing the amp any favors running into a 
short, either.

Drove the car to work today, a really nice ride.

I’ll probably do the transmission fluid and filter and the spark plugs this 
weekend, and that will wind things down.  New windshield on Monday, then all is 
well for the most part.

-D

> On Mar 21, 2018, at 6:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Replaced the fuel pressure regulator a few minutes ago.  Old one was 
> definitely bad - I got fuel out of the hose barb when I took the vacuum line 
> off.  I had inspected this when I got the car, but didn’t catch it probably 
> because the car hadn’t been running for a while.  Also explains why the plug 
> on that intake runner was sooty, too, a definite giveaway.
> 
> Eddie & Tom (Becker Autosound) got me a rebuilt faceplate for my 1432 and it 
> works great.  Now I just have to figure out why the large speaker in the left 
> rear isn’t working.  I can hear the tweeter, but no low frequencies from it 
> so either there’s a broken connection or the driver is blown.  Makes Lakshmi 
> Singh on NPR sound weird.
> 
> I’ve driven the car over 60 miles now and I’ve still got over 3/4 of a tank 
> of fuel.  I’m really interested in finding  out what kind of mileage this car 
> gets with the V8 in it….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a little here, a little there.  Chipping away on an almost daily basis 
>> ’til approaching Martha state.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strong work. Making me feel bad. 
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point 
 where things are nearly all done.
 
 http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Replaced the fuel pressure regulator a few minutes ago.  Old one was definitely 
bad - I got fuel out of the hose barb when I took the vacuum line off.  I had 
inspected this when I got the car, but didn’t catch it probably because the car 
hadn’t been running for a while.  Also explains why the plug on that intake 
runner was sooty, too, a definite giveaway.

Eddie & Tom (Becker Autosound) got me a rebuilt faceplate for my 1432 and it 
works great.  Now I just have to figure out why the large speaker in the left 
rear isn’t working.  I can hear the tweeter, but no low frequencies from it so 
either there’s a broken connection or the driver is blown.  Makes Lakshmi Singh 
on NPR sound weird.

I’ve driven the car over 60 miles now and I’ve still got over 3/4 of a tank of 
fuel.  I’m really interested in finding  out what kind of mileage this car gets 
with the V8 in it….

-D



> On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just a little here, a little there.  Chipping away on an almost daily basis 
> ’til approaching Martha state.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Strong work. Making me feel bad. 
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
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>>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point 
>>> where things are nearly all done.
>>> 
>>> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

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Just a little here, a little there.  Chipping away on an almost daily basis 
’til approaching Martha state.

-D


> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Strong work. Making me feel bad. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point where 
>> things are nearly all done.
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

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Strong work. Making me feel bad. 

--R
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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point where 
> things are nearly all done.
> 
> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html
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[MBZ] 400E Catch Up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point where 
things are nearly all done.

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html

-D


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Sure does.  And I like it, too.

-D


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> Sounds like just the thing for a post-middle-age gentleman who appreciates 
> the finer aspects of the marque. 
> 
> --R
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Got new skins on the 400E today, along with dealing with a few minor issues. 
>>  Dang, this is a fun, fun car to drive.  I’ve never driven a W124 that had 
>> such tight suspension, not to mention meteoric acceleration.  Updates at the 
>> blog:
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Update

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Sounds like just the thing for a post-middle-age gentleman who appreciates the 
finer aspects of the marque. 

--R
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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got new skins on the 400E today, along with dealing with a few minor issues.  
> Dang, this is a fun, fun car to drive.  I’ve never driven a W124 that had 
> such tight suspension, not to mention meteoric acceleration.  Updates at the 
> blog:
> 
> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html
> 
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[MBZ] 400E Update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Got new skins on the 400E today, along with dealing with a few minor issues.  
Dang, this is a fun, fun car to drive.  I’ve never driven a W124 that had such 
tight suspension, not to mention meteoric acceleration.  Updates at the blog:

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html

-D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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These Michelins now on the SD are Brit-made so not-quite-yurpeen. 

I’m starting to think the left front suspension has gone wonky. I rebuilt the 
suspension maybe 4 or 5 years ago and got it aligned. I’m wondering if the 
rubber bits in the control arms have squeezed or deteriorated or something 
letting the tire wobble a bit which caused the edge wear and belt delamination 
at the edges. Or if the eccentric bolt loosened. I vaguely remember they didn’t 
get one properly tightened in the initial alignment so I guess that is possible 
and the camber is out of whack. That would probably need to be checked in an 
alignment. 

--FT
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> 
> I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty early, 
> but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So for the price 
> I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that didn't slip belts 
> all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, other than Michelin, I have 
> never had slipped belts.  The frog michelins slipped belts too.  My 
> preference was always German made Continentals.  I am still curious about how 
> the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on the 300D.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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Curley can’t drive 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe the slipped belt problem is not the tires, but the conditions or the 
> driver(s)?
> -- 
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On March 3, 2018 11:34:46 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
>> early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
>> for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that
>> 
>> didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
>> other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog
>> michelins 
>> slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals. 
>> 
>> I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on
>> the 
>> 300D.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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Maybe the slipped belt problem is not the tires, but the conditions or the 
driver(s)?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 3, 2018 11:34:46 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
>early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
>for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that
>
>didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
>other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog
>michelins 
>slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals. 
>
>I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on
>the 
>300D.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that 
didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog michelins 
slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals.  
I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on the 
300D.




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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What was the Czech continental? Barum?  Try those.  They looked decent, 
but I've not had any long enough to determine the long term viability.   
I've had poor results with several brands of "high quality" asian tars.  
IMHO, anything yurpeen is preferable over asian or US brands.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 3, 2018 at 6:38 PM
I would get some Hankook or kumho, they seem decent



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:34:20 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> https://www.discounttiredirect.com/fitmentresult/tires/size/195-70-14

Well, what do you know!

They have Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /70 R14 91T SL BSW for $47.88ea, which is
$191.52 for four, just like tires-easy.com!


> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
> >> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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https://www.discounttiredirect.com/fitmentresult/tires/size/195-70-14

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
>> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.
> 
> Or you can get four Kumho Sense KR26 195/70R14 91H BSW for $ 242.44
> 
> Specs:Value:
> SidewallBSW
> Load Index91
> Speed RatingH Speed
> Ply RatingNot Available
> UTQG460AB
> Max Single Load(lbs)1356
> Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)44
> Tread Depth9.5
> Tread DesignNondirectional
> Rim Width Range5.0-6.5
> Measured Rim Width6.0
> Section Width7.9
> Tread WidthNot Available
> Overall Diameter24.8
> Manufacturer Part Number2142703
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.

Or you can get four Kumho Sense KR26 195/70R14 91H BSW for $ 242.44

Specs:  Value:
SidewallBSW 
Load Index  91  
Speed RatingH Speed
Ply Rating  Not Available
UTQG460AB
Max Single Load(lbs)1356
Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)   44
Tread Depth 9.5
Tread DesignNondirectional
Rim Width Range 5.0-6.5
Measured Rim Width  6.0
Section Width   7.9
Tread Width Not Available
Overall Diameter24.8
Manufacturer Part Number2142703


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:27:18 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I
> guess I could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere
> else.  What a PITA. 

On the site Andrew mentioned, https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14,
you can get a set of four Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for
$ 191.52 plus delivery.


Craig


Specs:  Value:  
SidewallBSW 
Load Index  91  
Speed RatingT Speed
Ply Rating  Not Available
UTQG540AB
Max Single Load(lbs)1356
Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)   44
Tread Depth 9.5
Tread DesignNondirectional
Rim Width Range 5.0-6.5
Measured Rim Width  6.0
Section Width   7.8
Tread Width Not Available
Overall Diameter24.76
Manufacturer Part Number9027126

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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I would get some Hankook or kumho, they seem decent

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I called Costco to see if they had Michelin tires to fit and were compatible. 
> He could get some in the proper size that were some other name but probably 
> pretty much the same. He asked what car they were for and the conversation 
> got into some whole other dimension about they had to go on the rear not the 
> front and a bunch of stuff about the speed ratings and load ratings and what 
> not, which I knew about from when I bought these tires a few years ago. 
> Anyway he would have to order them and it would take a week or two and then a 
> bunch of other extraneous nonsense again about bringing the car in etc.  And 
> the Michelin deal is only for 4 tires and it expires in a day or two and 
> these were going to be some huge price anyway. 
> 
> Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I guess I 
> could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere else.  What a 
> PITA. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 7:44 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and 
>> get an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are 
>> trying to put something on that their computer system says is not right.  
>> Then you are not getting them to put tires on.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
 
 Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
 All season M&S
 DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
 
 I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
 
 --FT
>>> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
>>> came from outer space.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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I called Costco to see if they had Michelin tires to fit and were compatible. 
He could get some in the proper size that were some other name but probably 
pretty much the same. He asked what car they were for and the conversation got 
into some whole other dimension about they had to go on the rear not the front 
and a bunch of stuff about the speed ratings and load ratings and what not, 
which I knew about from when I bought these tires a few years ago. Anyway he 
would have to order them and it would take a week or two and then a bunch of 
other extraneous nonsense again about bringing the car in etc.  And the 
Michelin deal is only for 4 tires and it expires in a day or two and these were 
going to be some huge price anyway. 

Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I guess I 
could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere else.  What a 
PITA. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 7:44 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and 
> get an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are 
> trying to put something on that their computer system says is not right.  
> Then you are not getting them to put tires on.
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>>> 
>>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>>> All season M&S
>>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>>> 
>>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
>> came from outer space.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Mine too- I think the others,are bundt-ugly.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 3, 2018 4:40 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> my preference is for the light alloy hubcap wheels.  The weight advantage
> of alloys without the tedious cleaning required by bundts or 15 hole or 8
> hole alloys.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> March 3, 2018 at 2:20 PM
>> Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy wheels
>> from Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they were than
>> steelies...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

my preference is for the light alloy hubcap wheels.  The weight 
advantage of alloys without the tedious cleaning required by bundts or 
15 hole or 8 hole alloys.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
March 3, 2018 at 2:20 PM
Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy 
wheels from Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they 
were than steelies...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy wheels from 
Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they were than steelies...
-Curt
 

On Saturday, March 3, 2018, 8:39:38 AM EST, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 When I was going to replace steel wheels on 240D with bundts I had to get 
longer bolts. Decided not to do it & still have bolts & Bundts.

Dwight Giles Jr1982 300CD2005 E320 4matic 
Wickford RI
On Mar 2, 2018 10:26 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:

Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
-Curt


    On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for 
alloys.

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> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
>
> What about bolt length?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>      On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
&g

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When I was going to replace steel wheels on 240D with bundts I had to get
longer bolts. Decided not to do it & still have bolts & Bundts.

Dwight Giles Jr
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Mar 2, 2018 10:26 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In
> addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for
> alloys.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Dwight Giles 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> >
> > What about bolt length?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as
> w126.
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > > >
> > > > --R
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > > holding
> > > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > > >>>> Curt
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > >>>>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > > 195/65-15
> > > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > > through the
> > > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -D
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > > really
> > > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > > almost all
> > > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > > >>>>> had
> > > run
> > > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > > >>>>> OK.  I
> > > had
> > > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > > adjustment
> > > >>>>> had gone wonky on 

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And there are 14" and 15" bundts.  A 15" will fit on  a brake made for 
14" wheels, but a 14"  bundt may not fit on a car that came with 15" out 
of the factory.


Bolts always match to the wheel, not the car.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
March 2, 2018 at 7:33 PM
As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same. In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different 
offsets for alloys.





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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
-Curt
 

On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for 
alloys.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> 
> What about bolt length?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>      On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
> > >>>>> need to
> > get a
> > >>>>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> > too, use
> > >>>>> the other one for a spare now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and
> > >>>>> see
> > what
> > >>>>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> > >>>>&

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In addition 
to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for alloys.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> 
> What about bolt length?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
> > >>>>> need to
> > get a
> > >>>>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> > too, use
> > >>>>> the other one for a spare now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and
> > >>>>> see
> > what
> > >>>>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --FT
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wro

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

They will fit but there are various widths. 126 will be wider than 123.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:41 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same cars.  
> I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
>>> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Maybe I should get a costco membership
 
 
 
> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> 
> 
> 
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost 
>> all
>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber 
>> adjustment
>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, 
>> they
>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get 
>> a
>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
>> the other one for a spare now.
>> 
>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
>>> get a set ordered.
>>> 
>> --
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

What about bolt length?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> holding
> >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
>  Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
>  Curt
> 
>  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>   On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> 195/65-15
>  are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> through the
>  4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> 
> 
> 
>  The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> 
>  -D
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> really
> > warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> almost all
> > around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had
> run
> > really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I
> had
> > only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> adjustment
> > had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> checked,
> > but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went
> bad, they
> > are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to
> get a
> > coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> too, use
> > the other one for a spare now.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and get 
an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are trying to 
put something on that their computer system says is not right.  Then you are 
not getting them to put tires on.

clay 

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> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>> 
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>> 
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I came 
> from outer space.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same cars.  I 
pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.


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> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
>> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
 
 
 
 The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
 
 -D
 
 
 
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber 
> adjustment
> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, 
> they
> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
> the other one for a spare now.
> 
> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
>> get a set ordered.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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> On March 2, 2018 at 1:40 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
> several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
> available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.

All the better to get fresh tires with. 

A lot of our old 14" cars are low usage, and every month of remaining tire life 
helps. 

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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They don’t have stock on the 195/65 15 tires I wanted, either.  Not a big deal, 
as I’m in no hurry, but from what I can tell my CostCo tire place has a week 
backlog or more.  No walk in work from the looks of things.

The tires I got for my W210 wagon had to be ordered in, too, but they were on 
sister in about three days. I don’t think they have much inventory in the 
stores unless it’s a size that’s really common/popular.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
> several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
> available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> March 2, 2018 at 12:36 PM
>> I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
>> order anything in 14 in
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
March 2, 2018 at 12:36 PM
I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
order anything in 14 in




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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
order anything in 14 in

On Mar 2, 2018 11:50 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

There weren’t any 14” listings for the tires I posted for.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>>
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>>
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I
came from outer space.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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There weren’t any 14” listings for the tires I posted for.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>> 
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>> 
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I came 
> from outer space.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage

Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
All season M&S
DOT F1HD RH1X 3209

I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.

--FT
I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
came from outer space.


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?

--R


On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Maybe I should get a costco membership



On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
Curt

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:



The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D



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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment
had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they
are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
the other one for a spare now.

I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.

--FT


On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:


Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
get a set ordered.


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Find somebody that already has one and offer to buy lunch...
We don't have a Costco close enough to make it worth us having a membership...

-Curt
 

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 wrote:  
 
 Maybe I should get a costco membership


On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>  
>    On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via 
>Mercedes wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 
>195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation 
>through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
>
>
>
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
>
> -D
>
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
>> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
>> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
>> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
>> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
>> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
>> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
>> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
>> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for 
>> a spare now.
>>
>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
>> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>>> set ordered.
>> -- 
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