Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The instructions for the Pioneer units mention doing that to make it easier to 
fish the lines through as well as to assure proper drainage for the condensate 
drain.

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Those lines are soft copper, you can put an easy bend in them once they are 
> through the wall. It actually helps to drill your outside hole lower than the 
> inside hole a bit, maybe an inch or so, so you can start the bend as you feed 
> the connector through the wall. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s what  need to know. Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I looked back but didn't find photos that would helpful.  As I recall, the 
>>> refrigerant lines on the indoor unit stuck out (on the outside) about a 
>>> foot when the indoor unit was installed on the bracket.  These "pigtails" 
>>> were terminated with the threaded cone fitting for flared tubing.
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>>> Penoff via Mercedes
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:26 AM
>>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to
>>>> determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - 
>>>> at the
>>>> exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?
>>>> 
>>>> I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a 
>>>> line set
>>>> I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from
>>>> where the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a
>>>> distance, and if so, how far?
>>>> 
>>>> I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
>>>> running it
>>>> through the wall, that won’t matter.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope I’m making sense here…
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I
>>>> mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass
>>>> clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a
>>>> mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast 
>>>> one
>>>> in place if you go that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from
>>>> inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the 
>>>> other
>>>> side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is 
>>>> important to get
>>>> right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it
>>>> freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll 
>>>> look to
>>>> see if I have any useful photos.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
>>>>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>>>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
>>>>>> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot
>>>>>> will have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
>>>>>> circulation. The brackets I 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Those lines are soft copper, you can put an easy bend in them once they are 
through the wall. It actually helps to drill your outside hole lower than the 
inside hole a bit, maybe an inch or so, so you can start the bend as you feed 
the connector through the wall. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s what  need to know. Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I looked back but didn't find photos that would helpful.  As I recall, the 
>> refrigerant lines on the indoor unit stuck out (on the outside) about a foot 
>> when the indoor unit was installed on the bracket.  These "pigtails" were 
>> terminated with the threaded cone fitting for flared tubing.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>> Penoff via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:26 AM
>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to
>>> determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - at 
>>> the
>>> exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?
>>> 
>>> I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a 
>>> line set
>>> I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.
>>> 
>>> In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from
>>> where the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a
>>> distance, and if so, how far?
>>> 
>>> I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
>>> running it
>>> through the wall, that won’t matter.
>>> 
>>> I hope I’m making sense here…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I
>>> mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass
>>> clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a
>>> mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast 
>>> one
>>> in place if you go that way.
>>>> 
>>>> My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from
>>> inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the 
>>> other
>>> side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is important 
>>> to get
>>> right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it
>>> freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll 
>>> look to
>>> see if I have any useful photos.
>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
>>>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
>>>>> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot
>>>>> will have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
>>>>> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are
>>>>> a bit short so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda 
>>>>> odd.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> Sent from iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter
>>>>>>> (not a hack
>>>>> saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s what  need to know. Thanks!

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I looked back but didn't find photos that would helpful.  As I recall, the 
> refrigerant lines on the indoor unit stuck out (on the outside) about a foot 
> when the indoor unit was installed on the bracket.  These "pigtails" were 
> terminated with the threaded cone fitting for flared tubing.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:26 AM
>> To: Okie Benz 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>> 
>> Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to
>> determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - at 
>> the
>> exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?
>> 
>> I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a line 
>> set
>> I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.
>> 
>> In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from
>> where the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a
>> distance, and if so, how far?
>> 
>> I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
>> running it
>> through the wall, that won’t matter.
>> 
>> I hope I’m making sense here…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I
>> mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass
>> clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a
>> mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast one
>> in place if you go that way.
>>> 
>>> My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from
>> inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the 
>> other
>> side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is important 
>> to get
>> right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it
>> freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll 
>> look to
>> see if I have any useful photos.
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
>>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
>>>> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot
>>>> will have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
>>>> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are
>>>> a bit short so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda 
>>>> odd.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter
>>>>>> (not a hack
>>>> saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a
>>>> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do
>>>> bend the lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside
>>>> unit doesn't vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they 
>>>> can
>> absorb vibration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
>>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>>>> 
>>&

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I looked back but didn't find photos that would helpful.  As I recall, the 
refrigerant lines on the indoor unit stuck out (on the outside) about a foot 
when the indoor unit was installed on the bracket.  These "pigtails" were 
terminated with the threaded cone fitting for flared tubing.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:26 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to
> determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - at 
> the
> exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?
> 
> I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a line 
> set
> I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.
> 
> In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from
> where the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a
> distance, and if so, how far?
> 
> I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
> running it
> through the wall, that won’t matter.
> 
> I hope I’m making sense here…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I
> mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass
> clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a
> mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast one
> in place if you go that way.
> >
> > My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from
> inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the 
> other
> side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is important 
> to get
> right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it
> freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll 
> look to
> see if I have any useful photos.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
> >> To: Okie Benz 
> >> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> >>
> >> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
> >> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot
> >> will have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
> >> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are
> >> a bit short so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda 
> >> odd.
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter
> >>>> (not a hack
> >> saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a
> >> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do
> >> bend the lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside
> >> unit doesn't vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they 
> >> can
> absorb vibration.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
> >>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down
> >>>> the
> >> wall a few feet to take up the extra length?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, June 28, 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Tue, June 30, 2020 1:05 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> I enclosed the exposed outside wires in
> flexible conduit.  I'll look to see if I have any useful photos.

I wrapped the foam insulation in special tape to protect it from
sun/weather (can't remember the name for it and am having no luck looking
it up at store I bought it from, but it's super thick 2" wide vinyl
electrical tape made for outdoor use), and ran the outdoor rated Romex
through the wall taped to the line insulation.

With the mini split, the lineset and electrical entered the unit at the
same place, so I located the disconnect next to the lineset, ran the wire
in/out of the disconnect with Romex clamps (remember, it was
burial/outdoor rated Romex), and ran it back under the tape as it entered
the unit.
https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/conduit-conduit-fittings-raceways/conduit-fittings/sigma-proconnex-trade-3-4-nm-connector-2-pack/18104/p-130899446-c-9538.htm

With the central air, I used 'liquid tite' to run the wires in. Ran them
through the wall taped to the lineset insulation, taped the liquid tite to
the line insulation to seal it at that end, and terminated it at the
disconnect and condenser with the proper end fittings.
https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/conduit-conduit-fittings-raceways/conduit/southwire-1-2-non-metallic-whip-kit-w-straight-90-degree-fittings-6/58004507/p-142908440-c-6423.htm

https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/conduit-conduit-fittings-raceways/conduit-fittings/sigma-proconnex-trade-nm-straight-liquid-tight-connector/49460/p-130922178-c-9538.htm

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My Fuji, like Scott's unit, had 18" lines on the  right side of wall
cassette. Two places to run them through the wall behind it, barely
reached the left spot, ran more than a foot down the wall if you used the
right spot. Also a couple places to knock out a piece of plastic housing
and run them down the wall instead of in the wall. Less attractive, but
easier.
In my living room, I had the cassette mounted on the shared garage wall,
so I cut out a section of drywall in the garage to make it easy to work
inside the wall.

On Tue, June 30, 2020 6:26 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting
> to determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects
> - at the exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at
> all?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

the connections on my LG units are on the lower right back as you face 
the front of the condenser, and the indoor units have them on the lower 
right back as well


--FT

On 6/30/20 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to 
determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - at the 
exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?

I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a line 
set I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.

In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from where 
the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a distance, 
and if so, how far?

I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
running it through the wall, that won’t matter.

I hope I’m making sense here…

-D


On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  
wrote:

The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I 
mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass 
clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a 
mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast one 
in place if you go that way.

My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from 
inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the other 
side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is important to 
get right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it 
freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll look 
to see if I have any useful photos.


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Penoff via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If it’s on a 
pad it
has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will have ot do with the
length of the line sets that are available.

-D




On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

 wrote:

Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper

circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are a bit short
so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda odd.

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

 wrote:

Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a hack

saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a pro he'll 
have
the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the lines slowly and
carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't vibrate much but it will
vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb vibration.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the

wall a few feet to take up the extra length?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes

 wrote:

On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:


On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s
slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped
it to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?

It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop
might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it
might pay to download and read the install manual before you order the

lineset.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 06:26:10 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a
> line set I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.
> 
> In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure
> from where the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the
> cabinet a distance, and if so, how far?

I think he already answered your question, Dan.

His email of Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:40:30 -0400 said,

> The indoor unit includes short refrigerant lines that you poke through
> the big hole when you  mount the indoor unit to the bracket.  Typically
> you carefully fold these lines (on the outside)  against the building.
> The other end of lineset attaches to these pigtails.

So if you measure from the big hole on the outside of the building to
where the connections on the condenser are, you will have a little
surplus.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Scott, this is great information! I guess what I was attempting to 
determine as far as connections is where exactly the line set connects - at the 
exit point of the wall unit? Do the lines go into the unit at all?

I’m asking because I want to be able to determine exactly how long of a line 
set I’ll need without ending up short, if that makes sense.

In other words, if I was measuring for the line set, would I measure from where 
the wall unit meets the wall or do the lines go into the cabinet a distance, 
and if so, how far?

I have the flexibility to use either side for connecting the line set and 
running it through the wall, that won’t matter.

I hope I’m making sense here…

-D

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I 
> mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass 
> clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a 
> mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast one 
> in place if you go that way.
> 
> My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from 
> inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the 
> other side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is 
> important to get right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so 
> here where it freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible 
> conduit.  I'll look to see if I have any useful photos.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
>> To: Okie Benz 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>> 
>> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If it’s on 
>> a pad it
>> has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will have ot do with the
>> length of the line sets that are available.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
>> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are a bit 
>> short
>> so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda odd.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
>>>> hack
>> saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a pro 
>> he'll have
>> the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the lines slowly 
>> and
>> carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't vibrate much but it 
>> will
>> vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb vibration.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the
>> wall a few feet to take up the extra length?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s
>>>>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped
>>>>>> it to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop
>>>>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it
>>>>> might pay to download and read the install manual before you order the
>> lineset.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The outdoor unit sucks in air from the back and blows it out the front.  I 
mounted mine to the wall thinking that would keep the coils cleaner (grass 
clippings, splashed mud, etc) and less susceptible to damage (like hit by a 
mower).  The commercial pads are plastic now but it's easy enough to cast one 
in place if you go that way.

My Pioneer indoor unit was set up for lines to exit the right (seen from 
inside) side and that's how I did mine.  Instructions say you can use the other 
side, but I didn't try that.  The condensate drain and routing is important to 
get right.  You don't want water to collect anywhere (more so here where it 
freezes).  I enclosed the exposed outside wires in flexible conduit.  I'll look 
to see if I have any useful photos.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If it’s on 
> a pad it
> has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will have ot do with the
> length of the line sets that are available.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper
> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are a bit 
> short
> so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda odd.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
> >> hack
> saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a pro 
> he'll have
> the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the lines slowly and
> carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't vibrate much but it 
> will
> vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb vibration.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> >>
> >> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the
> wall a few feet to take up the extra length?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s
> >>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped
> >>>> it to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
> >>>
> >>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop
> >>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it
> >>> might pay to download and read the install manual before you order the
> lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

But your four ton doesn't have four feet with bolt holes in them.
I would think that mini splits have to be bolted, not strapped, if the
code was updated for the existence of mini splits.

(for 'straps' on my 1.5T, I used the shipping clips that hook into the
floorpan and screw to the pallet it came on. That same pallet is part of
my wooden stand that holds it up above the snow, if there's a tornado the
house will go before the heat pump)

On Mon, June 29, 2020 1:27 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Nope. Gotta be strapped. heck, even my 4 ton condensor has to be strapped
> to its pad. Dade County code. (Dade County is Miami, and they pretty much
> lead the charge when it comes to hurricane codes for the state.)


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. Gotta be strapped. heck, even my 4 ton condensor has to be strapped to 
its pad. Dade County code. (Dade County is Miami, and they pretty much lead the 
charge when it comes to hurricane codes for the state.)

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, June 29, 2020 10:17 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
>> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will
>> have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.
> 
> I would think concrete pad, rubber isolators (if only to keep the steel
> feet off the concrete and rust free) and lag bolts into concrete would
> satisfy any hurricane code.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Mon, June 29, 2020 10:17 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If
> it’s on a pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will
> have ot do with the length of the line sets that are available.

I would think concrete pad, rubber isolators (if only to keep the steel
feet off the concrete and rust free) and lag bolts into concrete would
satisfy any hurricane code.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I’m not sure if I’ll do a concrete pad or hang on the wall. If it’s on a 
pad it has to be strapped down for hizzicane code. A lot will have ot do with 
the length of the line sets that are available.

-D



> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper 
> circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are a bit 
> short so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda odd. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
>> hack saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a 
>> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the 
>> lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't 
>> vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb 
>> vibration.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>> 
>> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall 
>> a few feet to take up the extra length?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>>>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>>> 
>>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
>>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might 
>>> pay to download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Note too the outdoor unit needs to sit off the wall a bit for proper 
circulation. The brackets I got for mine for some reason unclear are a bit 
short so the unit overhangs a bit. Not an issue really just kinda odd. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
> hack saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a 
> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the 
> lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't 
> vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb 
> vibration.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall 
> a few feet to take up the extra length?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>> 
>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might 
>> pay to download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Great. Thanks for clarifying this. That’s why I was looking for a stock line 
set that I wouldn’t have to cut or flare if necessary.

I was looking at the install information for the Pioneer unit and it’s not 
clear if the line set has to come into the back of the indoor unit and follow 
the length to make the connection at one end, or if there are short lines in 
the wall unit that project out of the hole in the wall (outside) and are 
terminated at that point.

I’ve got to go back and read it closely. They talk about being able to exit the 
wall unit on either side, one being preferred over the other. 

Sorry about all the questions, I’m just trying to understand this as best as 
possible so I am 100% comfortable with doing this myself. Doesn’t look 
difficult at this point.

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Correct.  The lines come with both ends flared and the b-nuts on the tube.  
> Both lines are insulated and need to be, unlike a normal central split system 
> where only the vapor line is normally insulated.  I forgot to mention that 
> the 5/16 in adapter fits a standard 1/4 inch hose fitting.  Vapor and liquid 
> are correct terminology but "high-side" and "low side" is wrong because (with 
> expansion devices in the outdoor unit) both refrigerant lines are at the same 
> pressure (low for cooling and high for heating). 
> 
> The outdoor unit has two service valves where the flared refrigerant lines 
> attach.  After evacuating the lines and indoor unit you open those valves to 
> release the R410a.  The larger one also has the fitting for the 5/16 charging 
> adapter.  As someone noted, R410a systems run at much higher pressure than 
> R22 or R12.
> 
> The indoor unit includes short refrigerant lines that you poke through the 
> big hole when you  mount the indoor unit to the bracket.  Typically you 
> carefully fold these lines (on the outside)  against the building.  The other 
> end of lineset attaches to these pigtails.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:25 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> So do you have to flare the line set no matter what? In other words, is the 
> line set not already flared with the fittings in place for the provided 
> length? Presuming that if it was and you wanted it shorter you would cut it 
> down to length and move the fittings while doing so.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
>> hack saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a 
>> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the 
>> lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't 
>> vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb 
>> vibration.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
>> 
>> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall 
>> a few feet to take up the extra length?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>>>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>>> 
>>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
>>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it 
>>> might pay to download and read the install manual before you order the 
>>> lineset.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Correct.  The lines come with both ends flared and the b-nuts on the tube.  
Both lines are insulated and need to be, unlike a normal central split system 
where only the vapor line is normally insulated.  I forgot to mention that the 
5/16 in adapter fits a standard 1/4 inch hose fitting.  Vapor and liquid are 
correct terminology but "high-side" and "low side" is wrong because (with 
expansion devices in the outdoor unit) both refrigerant lines are at the same 
pressure (low for cooling and high for heating). 

The outdoor unit has two service valves where the flared refrigerant lines 
attach.  After evacuating the lines and indoor unit you open those valves to 
release the R410a.  The larger one also has the fitting for the 5/16 charging 
adapter.  As someone noted, R410a systems run at much higher pressure than R22 
or R12.

The indoor unit includes short refrigerant lines that you poke through the big 
hole when you  mount the indoor unit to the bracket.  Typically you carefully 
fold these lines (on the outside)  against the building.  The other end of 
lineset attaches to these pigtails.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:25 PM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

So do you have to flare the line set no matter what? In other words, is the 
line set not already flared with the fittings in place for the provided length? 
Presuming that if it was and you wanted it shorter you would cut it down to 
length and move the fittings while doing so.

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
> hack saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a 
> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the 
> lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't 
> vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb 
> vibration.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:43 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall 
> a few feet to take up the extra length?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>> 
>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it 
>> might pay to download and read the install manual before you order the 
>> lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So do you have to flare the line set no matter what? In other words, is the 
line set not already flared with the fittings in place for the provided length? 
Presuming that if it was and you wanted it shorter you would cut it down to 
length and move the fittings while doing so.

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a 
> hack saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a 
> pro he'll have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the 
> lines slowly and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't 
> vibrate much but it will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb 
> vibration.
> 
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> 
> Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall 
> a few feet to take up the extra length?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>> 
>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
>> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might 
>> pay to download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Cutting and flaring is not that big a deal but use a tubing cutter (not a hack 
saw) and a decent flare tool (not a bargain bin tool).  If you hire a pro he'll 
have the right tools and it only takes a few minutes.  Do bend the lines slowly 
and carefully so they don't kink.  The outside unit doesn't vibrate much but it 
will vibrate so route lines in a way they can absorb vibration.

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Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall a 
few feet to take up the extra length?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s 
>> slightly longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it 
>> to take up the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
> 
> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop 
> might be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might 
> pay to download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Sun, June 28, 2020 10:20 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> If I get their adapter I presume I can use my automotive vacuum pump to
> pull a vacuum?

I bought an adapter and used my automotive manifold (low pressure gauge
side) and HF two stage pump. You don't want to use automotive gauges/hoses
on the high pressure side of a R410A system, but most mini splits only
have the low pressure gauge tap.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe instead of looping it you can just move the outside unit down the wall a 
few feet to take up the extra length?

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> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly
>> longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up
>> the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
> 
> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop might
> be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might pay to
> download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Better yet, they have it on their web site with a number of different 
installation kits:

https://www.pioneerminisplit.com/collections/all-products/products/12-000-btu-ductless-dc-inverter-mini-split-air-conditioner-heat-pump-115-vac?variant=14703001534506
 


I would have to do some measuring, but I might get away with a 10’ line set. I 
could mount the condensor higher up on the exterior wall rather than on a pad 
to decrease the distance.

If I get their adapter I presume I can use my automotive vacuum pump to pull a 
vacuum?

-D


> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Pioneer unit I was looking at had a 16’ line set included with it. I’ll 
> see if I can find the docs for it and determine if there’s a minimum length.
> 
> I’m guessing the actual length I’l need will be maybe 10-12 feet at the most.
> 
> This is one that I was considering if you can see the image - if not I’ll 
> link to it.
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/201259284452836/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly
>>> longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up
>>> the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
>> 
>> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop might
>> be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might pay to
>> download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Pioneer unit I was looking at had a 16’ line set included with it. I’ll see 
if I can find the docs for it and determine if there’s a minimum length.

I’m guessing the actual length I’l need will be maybe 10-12 feet at the most.

This is one that I was considering if you can see the image - if not I’ll link 
to it.



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/201259284452836/

Thanks!

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly
>> longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up
>> the slack rather than have to cut and flare?
> 
> It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop might
> be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might pay to
> download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

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On Sun, June 28, 2020 8:43 am, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

>
> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly
> longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up
> the slack rather than have to cut and flare?

It shouldn't, although some possibility of oil trapping in the loop might
be there. Many units have a 15' minimum on line length, it might pay to
download and read the install manual before you order the lineset.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You can just loop it if you don’t want to cut/flare it. I think 15’ is a 
standard “short” length. 

--FT
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> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:44 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the information, Mitch, appreciate it.
> 
> My install will be pretty straightforward. Interior unit high on side of 
> interior block (garage) wall, condensor on the outside of same wall, probably 
> 8’-10’ below the level of the interior unit. Around here code requires a 
> precast or composite pad of some sort, which I can buy from any number of 
> suppliers. If I do this myself I’ll make every effort to meet or exceed code 
> so that if I get busted inspection will go easy, as well as to give the 
> impression the install was done professionally.
> 
> On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly 
> longer than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up the 
> slack rather than have to cut and flare?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What I did to mount the outdoor unit in cold climate:
>> 3 treated 2x4s.
>> Handful of coated nails.
>> 4 lag bolts.
>> Exterior paint.
>> 
>> Cut two 2x4s in half. Paint the 4 pieces and bury them so that the tops
>> are where you want the feet of the condenser unit.
>> Cut the other 2x4 into four pieces, the long ones 4" longer than the
>> condenser, the short ones 1" longer than the condenser is wide. Paint them
>> and nail them together to make a box 1" bigger than the condenser.
>> Nail the box to the four vertical 2x4s. I set the box so that the posts
>> were 1/2" lower than the top of the box.
>> Set the condenser in the box, and screw it to the tops of the posts with
>> the lag bolts.
>> 
>> In Florida, I might make the verticals 2-3' long and bury them so that the
>> condenser sits 6-12" above ground level. No need for snow clearance or
>> putting posts below the frost line. Only worry is ripping the posts out of
>> the ground in a hurricane.
>> 
>> I located it in front of the indoor wall unit, ran a CPVC gravity drain
>> down the wall and out the side of the house, and affixed the drain pipe to
>> the outdoor uprights with PVC pipe hangers. It looks slightly silly
>> sticking out 6" past the outdoor unit, but that puts the condensate where
>> it doesn't run down along the posts.
>> At my house I had the condensate outlet dead center under the stand, which
>> looked neater.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Thanks for all the information, Mitch, appreciate it.

My install will be pretty straightforward. Interior unit high on side of 
interior block (garage) wall, condensor on the outside of same wall, probably 
8’-10’ below the level of the interior unit. Around here code requires a 
precast or composite pad of some sort, which I can buy from any number of 
suppliers. If I do this myself I’ll make every effort to meet or exceed code so 
that if I get busted inspection will go easy, as well as to give the impression 
the install was done professionally.

On thing I wondered about: If I get a pre-made line set that’s slightly longer 
than what I need, does it matter if I just looped it to take up the slack 
rather than have to cut and flare?

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What I did to mount the outdoor unit in cold climate:
> 3 treated 2x4s.
> Handful of coated nails.
> 4 lag bolts.
> Exterior paint.
> 
> Cut two 2x4s in half. Paint the 4 pieces and bury them so that the tops
> are where you want the feet of the condenser unit.
> Cut the other 2x4 into four pieces, the long ones 4" longer than the
> condenser, the short ones 1" longer than the condenser is wide. Paint them
> and nail them together to make a box 1" bigger than the condenser.
> Nail the box to the four vertical 2x4s. I set the box so that the posts
> were 1/2" lower than the top of the box.
> Set the condenser in the box, and screw it to the tops of the posts with
> the lag bolts.
> 
> In Florida, I might make the verticals 2-3' long and bury them so that the
> condenser sits 6-12" above ground level. No need for snow clearance or
> putting posts below the frost line. Only worry is ripping the posts out of
> the ground in a hurricane.
> 
> I located it in front of the indoor wall unit, ran a CPVC gravity drain
> down the wall and out the side of the house, and affixed the drain pipe to
> the outdoor uprights with PVC pipe hangers. It looks slightly silly
> sticking out 6" past the outdoor unit, but that puts the condensate where
> it doesn't run down along the posts.
> At my house I had the condensate outlet dead center under the stand, which
> looked neater.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What I did to mount the outdoor unit in cold climate:
3 treated 2x4s.
Handful of coated nails.
4 lag bolts.
Exterior paint.

Cut two 2x4s in half. Paint the 4 pieces and bury them so that the tops
are where you want the feet of the condenser unit.
Cut the other 2x4 into four pieces, the long ones 4" longer than the
condenser, the short ones 1" longer than the condenser is wide. Paint them
and nail them together to make a box 1" bigger than the condenser.
Nail the box to the four vertical 2x4s. I set the box so that the posts
were 1/2" lower than the top of the box.
Set the condenser in the box, and screw it to the tops of the posts with
the lag bolts.

In Florida, I might make the verticals 2-3' long and bury them so that the
condenser sits 6-12" above ground level. No need for snow clearance or
putting posts below the frost line. Only worry is ripping the posts out of
the ground in a hurricane.

I located it in front of the indoor wall unit, ran a CPVC gravity drain
down the wall and out the side of the house, and affixed the drain pipe to
the outdoor uprights with PVC pipe hangers. It looks slightly silly
sticking out 6" past the outdoor unit, but that puts the condensate where
it doesn't run down along the posts.
At my house I had the condensate outlet dead center under the stand, which
looked neater.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Dan,  My Pioneer kit came with everything (lineset, wire, etc) needed to 
install except a line cover (recommended), wall brackets/pad, and 
disconnect/romex.  What kind of wall do you have?  Studs/sheetrock/sheething is 
easy to drill through (2 1/4 in hole) but you need to find the studs to attach 
the bracket.  Cement block is fine but harder to drill the big hole and 
tapcon-style fasteners needed.  The 110/220v wiring can be easy or hard 
depending on where to need to go to get to a breaker.  Code usually requires a 
disconnect outside very near the compressor.  There are many good how-to videos 
on YouTube.  Mechanical installation of the indoor and outdoor units id fast 
and easy unless you have oddball constraints like I did.  If you mount the 
outside unit on the wall get the kind of bracket with a horizontal bar that 
screws to the studs and brackets that slide left-right on the bar to match the 
evaporator feet (not an issue with cement block).  You'll need a quality flare 
tool if you need to cut and re-flare the refrigerant lines.

The refrigerant is in the evaporator but before releasing it into the system 
you'll want to do a leak check (preferably with dry nitrogen) and pump down the 
system with a vacuum pump (and again be sure it doesn’t leak).  In my case, my 
vacuum pump was ancient, I had no nitrogen/regulator, and no flare tool.  
That's why I hired a pro for these steps.  

If you have all the tools and no oddball considerations install is an easy one 
day job.  In my case it always seemed I needed some additional tool, drill bit, 
etc. so I probably installed in 8-10 hours spread over many days..

I am only conditioning about 600 sf but it is very leaky:  zero insulation, 
poor fitting doors, single-pane windows, and tongue and groove ceiling and 
floor (built in the 50s).  But the 1200BTU unit does fine in summer and keeps 
it above 60 degrees even when it's 20-30 degrees outside.  Unlike an old-style 
(on-off) system, it doesn't hurt (except in the wallet) to oversize there 
inverter systems because the motor speeds regulate to deliver the needed 
heat/cool.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:52 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units
> 
> In my case this won’t be used a great deal, that is, maybe one day a week for 
> 6-
> 8 hours, worst case scenario. I’m not sure that dropping $1000 on even an LG
> makes sense in my case. I notice that you’ve also got to buy a lot of 
> additonal
> stuff, too, like a line set, cover for the lines, mounting pad or wall mount
> brackets for the condensor, etc…
> 
> Sounds like Scott had some luck with the Pioneer, which is one of the brands I
> see offered locally.I could probably do one of those installed for under 
> $1000.
> Considering the limited duty cycle, I’m thinking I could roll the dice on one 
> of
> these and probably come out OK.
> 
> One thing I did note - some of the cheap weird brand name mini splits
> apparently have SEER ratings in the low teens, like 13. According to one
> advertiser these are not legal for sale in the US. Interesting - gray market 
> AC
> units!
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I put a 9k Fujitsu in my living room, still needed a 5k window unit in
> > the master bedroom to sleep in the worst weather as the bedroom door was
> 30'
> > away from the heat pump. In the winter I put a thermostat in the
> > bedroom, set it at 62 for sleeping, and ran the Fujitsu to heat the
> > living room and kitchen to daytime living temps. It worked, sort of, a
> > central air heat pump is more effective but less efficient.
> >
> > I've got 1200 well insulated square feet, with a 18k heat pump and 40k
> > furnace. The fixed speed heat pump can heat the house down to about 25
> > degrees. Below that the furnace needs to take over. But with
> > electricity over 15 cents and propane under $1, I don't use the heat
> > pump at all. I figure I put about $200-250 a year worth of electricity
> > through it cooling the house, so the payback on a more efficient more
> > expensive unit would exceed the expected lifespan.
> >
> > That original Fujitsu is still working fine, currently in the master
> > bedroom of my parents' house.
> >
> > This would probably work nicely in the areas near it, but you'd
> > probably want another for the bedroom. It's the new and improved
> > version of the one I had.
> > https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-09LMAS1/p106473.html
> >
> > This would do your whole house, but it's not cheap.
> > https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-AOU

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I researched all this stuff, 7-8 years ago, Mitsu/Fuji were mostly
made in Japan, my Fuji was all Japanese. But more recently I've heard that
a lot of them are assembled in China, or sometimes assembled in home
country with world (China) components.

The central units, last I knew pretty much all of them had all-aluminum
coils and Copeland Scroll compressors, except for the ones with
proprietary inverter drive compressors. If it's over 18 SEER, it's PWM or
inverter drive. Most of the outdoor units were made in USA or Mexico.
Biggest failure point is the start/run capacitors.
Minor differences among the various heat pump units include demand defrost
vs timed defrost, and whether they come with block heaters and/or sound
deadening blankets. My Goodman came with a 40W (unnecessarily large IMO)
block heater, I added sound insulation and demand defrost. I shut off the
circuit breaker when it's not in use, the block heater costs a bit over a
dollar a week. I thought about replacing it with a 20W, or rewiring it to
120v/10W, but didn't bother with that. The purpose of the block heater is
to keep the compressor warmer than the indoor coil when not in use, so
that liquid refrigerant can't condense in the compressor and get into the
sump oil. If I turned it off, I turn it on 24 hours before I want to use
it, so that the block heater has time to cook the R410A out of the
compressor.

I don't know if Emerson/Copeland has gotten into the inverter market since
then or not. If they have, then the high end inverter models like
Carrier's Infinity might not be proprietary any more.



On Sat, June 27, 2020 4:43 pm, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Mitch,  Thanks for the rundown.  Do you know where the big 3 are actually
>  made and where the parts come from?  As I recall the brochure for my
> Pioneer
> (years ago) said it had a Mitsubishi compressor but I see the current
> brochure shows GMCC compressors, whatever that is.  I know that many
> brands of the central ducted heat pump systems use the same parts.  I
> wondered if you had any insight if this is the case with mini-splits?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Mitch,  Thanks for the rundown.  Do you know where the big 3 are actually
made and where the parts come from?  As I recall the brochure for my Pioneer
(years ago) said it had a Mitsubishi compressor but I see the current
brochure shows GMCC compressors, whatever that is.  I know that many brands
of the central ducted heat pump systems use the same parts.  I wondered if
you had any insight if this is the case with mini-splits?

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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

The big 3 were traditionally considered Daikin, Mitsubishi and Fujitsu.
The next tier is pretty much LG and LG.

The 'I like Commies' choices would have Pioneer and Gree in the top tier,
then everything else.

Daikin wasn't an option for me, as there were no gray market distribution
channels 8 years ago. That seems to have changed since they were merged with
Goodman.

At any rate, 'inverter drive' is easily worth an extra couple hundred bucks
if you use it very much.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In my case this won’t be used a great deal, that is, maybe one day a week for 
6-8 hours, worst case scenario. I’m not sure that dropping $1000 on even an LG 
makes sense in my case. I notice that you’ve also got to buy a lot of additonal 
stuff, too, like a line set, cover for the lines, mounting pad or wall mount 
brackets for the condensor, etc…

Sounds like Scott had some luck with the Pioneer, which is one of the brands I 
see offered locally.I could probably do one of those installed for under $1000. 
Considering the limited duty cycle, I’m thinking I could roll the dice on one 
of these and probably come out OK.

One thing I did note - some of the cheap weird brand name mini splits 
apparently have SEER ratings in the low teens, like 13. According to one 
advertiser these are not legal for sale in the US. Interesting - gray market AC 
units!

-D

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I put a 9k Fujitsu in my living room, still needed a 5k window unit in the
> master bedroom to sleep in the worst weather as the bedroom door was 30'
> away from the heat pump. In the winter I put a thermostat in the bedroom,
> set it at 62 for sleeping, and ran the Fujitsu to heat the living room and
> kitchen to daytime living temps. It worked, sort of, a central air heat
> pump is more effective but less efficient.
> 
> I've got 1200 well insulated square feet, with a 18k heat pump and 40k
> furnace. The fixed speed heat pump can heat the house down to about 25
> degrees. Below that the furnace needs to take over. But with electricity
> over 15 cents and propane under $1, I don't use the heat pump at all. I
> figure I put about $200-250 a year worth of electricity through it cooling
> the house, so the payback on a more efficient more expensive unit would
> exceed the expected lifespan.
> 
> That original Fujitsu is still working fine, currently in the master
> bedroom of my parents' house.
> 
> This would probably work nicely in the areas near it, but you'd probably
> want another for the bedroom. It's the new and improved version of the one
> I had.
> https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-09LMAS1/p106473.html
> 
> This would do your whole house, but it's not cheap.
> https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-AOU24RLXFZ-2-ASU7RLF1-ASU9RLF1/p65951.html
> 
> On Sat, June 27, 2020 11:17 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Me three. Our aged wall unit has finally irritated the wife. I suspect we
>> can get by with something quite small, the house is only 900sq ft. Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I put a 9k Fujitsu in my living room, still needed a 5k window unit in the
master bedroom to sleep in the worst weather as the bedroom door was 30'
away from the heat pump. In the winter I put a thermostat in the bedroom,
set it at 62 for sleeping, and ran the Fujitsu to heat the living room and
kitchen to daytime living temps. It worked, sort of, a central air heat
pump is more effective but less efficient.

I've got 1200 well insulated square feet, with a 18k heat pump and 40k
furnace. The fixed speed heat pump can heat the house down to about 25
degrees. Below that the furnace needs to take over. But with electricity
over 15 cents and propane under $1, I don't use the heat pump at all. I
figure I put about $200-250 a year worth of electricity through it cooling
the house, so the payback on a more efficient more expensive unit would
exceed the expected lifespan.

That original Fujitsu is still working fine, currently in the master
bedroom of my parents' house.

This would probably work nicely in the areas near it, but you'd probably
want another for the bedroom. It's the new and improved version of the one
I had.
https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-09LMAS1/p106473.html

This would do your whole house, but it's not cheap.
https://www.acwholesalers.com/Fujitsu-AOU24RLXFZ-2-ASU7RLF1-ASU9RLF1/p65951.html

On Sat, June 27, 2020 11:17 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Me three. Our aged wall unit has finally irritated the wife. I suspect we
> can get by with something quite small, the house is only 900sq ft. Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The big 3 were traditionally considered Daikin, Mitsubishi and Fujitsu.
The next tier is pretty much LG and LG.

The 'I like Commies' choices would have Pioneer and Gree in the top tier,
then everything else.

Daikin wasn't an option for me, as there were no gray market distribution
channels 8 years ago. That seems to have changed since they were merged
with Goodman.

At any rate, 'inverter drive' is easily worth an extra couple hundred
bucks if you use it very much.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

You will see different SEER ratings and prices.  SEER applies only to cooling 
performance.  If heating is important, note that heating efficiency doesn't 
vary much.  The higher SEER may not be worth the extra cost.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Ritchey 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:15 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

Maybe 3-5 years ago I installed a 12K "Pioneer" brand mini-split from 
https://www.highseer.com/ in my "barn."  I too used a pro connect the 
refrigerant lines and do the initial startup.  My outdoor unit is also mounted 
on the outside wall with brackets to keep it off the ground.  As I recall, the 
equipment cost $600-700 (delivered) and the "pro" charged about $100-200 for 
startup.

Lessons learned:
-  My main install problem was a tight available space with non-standard stud 
spacing.  I really had to hunt (and punch small holes) to find a location where 
the big hole missed all the studs.
 --On the outside I had to install horizontal two-by boards for the brackets, 
again the studs were in the wrong places.  The brackets must align 
(horizontally)  with the feet on the outdoor unit.
 --The "pro" routed the refrigerant lines between the wall and outdoor unit.  
When fall came leaves piled up on the lines blocking air flow.  In winter Ice 
formed around the lines blocking air flow.  The defrost cycle cleared the coils 
but I needed a heat gun or salamander to clear the ice behind the unit.  This 
year I had another "pro" come back and reroute the lines.
 -- The initial "pro" did not understand that all expansion devices are in the 
outdoor unit and insisted on installing a service port in the liquid line 
(totally unnecessary).  This appears to be a common misperception.  At some 
point the Schrader valve in that added port began leaking.
 -- The outdoor unit of my Pioneer system looks exactly like the Mitsubishi 
unit later installed at our church.  The indoor units look different.  If you 
are looking at an generic brand, it is worthwhile (IMO) to call the suppliers 
to find out who actually makes their equipment.
 -- Other than the leaking Schrader valve and ice/leaf accumulation (both now 
corrected) I have had no problems with my mini-split system (knock wood).  
 -- The plastic tubing for the condensate drain became brittle after long 
exposure to sunlight (UV).  Protect it with some sort of cover or conduit.

The outdoor unit is officially called a condenser, which is accurate during 
cooling but it becomes an evaporator during heating.  So I just call it the 
outdoor unit.
The "pros" I hired for this and other HVAC work have not been impressive.  They 
had the tools and got the job done but I would have done it with more care.
I had to cut and re-flare my refrigerant lines (way too long) and I didn't have 
a decent flare tool. That is the main reason I hired that done.
My HighSEER kit came with a tiny tube of stuff to prevent leaks at the 
refrigerant tube flare connections.  I can't swear it works but mine have never 
leaked.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

I have put in 3 LG heat/cool systems, total 8 head units, ordered from AC 
Wholesalers in FL somewhere. Easy install, 20A or 30A 220V circuits. (Don’t 
forget a power shutoff at the condenser) Nothing difficult about the install if 
you can get the lines in or through the wall (2” hole) and power to the 
condenser. The only real work is drilling the line hole and running power and 
mounting the unit brackets. I hang the condenser on the outside wall because of 
storm surge flooding concerns. 

I have my AC guy come to pull down the lines and charge the system. I think for 
the warranty you need that. 

I put in a 24k BTU system with 2 12k heads last summer, I think with all the 
lines and such it was about $2200 or so plus a coupla hundred for my guy to 
spend a coupla hours fooling with it. A single unit will be much less. 

Look on their website and order one. Mitsubishi is supposedly “the best” but 
these LGs have been fine though I have fried 2 controller boards in the big 
system due to lightning hits nearby. You might consider a surge protector in 
your system somewhere. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As my standby generator install is wrapping up and a new 4 ton Lennox AC 
> system is going into the house, I’m getting close to the point of installing 
> a mini split system to take the edge off the heat and humidity so I can work 
> in the garage without sweating buckets.
> 
> I got a quote from my AC guys for a Lennox 12,000 BTU system, which I knew 
> would be expensive - $3200 expensive. Ouch. No

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Maybe 3-5 years ago I installed a 12K "Pioneer" brand mini-split from 
https://www.highseer.com/ in my "barn."  I too used a pro connect the 
refrigerant lines and do the initial startup.  My outdoor unit is also mounted 
on the outside wall with brackets to keep it off the ground.  As I recall, the 
equipment cost $600-700 (delivered) and the "pro" charged about $100-200 for 
startup.

Lessons learned:
-  My main install problem was a tight available space with non-standard stud 
spacing.  I really had to hunt (and punch small holes) to find a location where 
the big hole missed all the studs.
 --On the outside I had to install horizontal two-by boards for the brackets, 
again the studs were in the wrong places.  The brackets must align 
(horizontally)  with the feet on the outdoor unit.
 --The "pro" routed the refrigerant lines between the wall and outdoor unit.  
When fall came leaves piled up on the lines blocking air flow.  In winter Ice 
formed around the lines blocking air flow.  The defrost cycle cleared the coils 
but I needed a heat gun or salamander to clear the ice behind the unit.  This 
year I had another "pro" come back and reroute the lines.
 -- The initial "pro" did not understand that all expansion devices are in the 
outdoor unit and insisted on installing a service port in the liquid line 
(totally unnecessary).  This appears to be a common misperception.  At some 
point the Schrader valve in that added port began leaking.
 -- The outdoor unit of my Pioneer system looks exactly like the Mitsubishi 
unit later installed at our church.  The indoor units look different.  If you 
are looking at an generic brand, it is worthwhile (IMO) to call the suppliers 
to find out who actually makes their equipment.
 -- Other than the leaking Schrader valve and ice/leaf accumulation (both now 
corrected) I have had no problems with my mini-split system (knock wood).  
 -- The plastic tubing for the condensate drain became brittle after long 
exposure to sunlight (UV).  Protect it with some sort of cover or conduit.

The outdoor unit is officially called a condenser, which is accurate during 
cooling but it becomes an evaporator during heating.  So I just call it the 
outdoor unit.
The "pros" I hired for this and other HVAC work have not been impressive.  They 
had the tools and got the job done but I would have done it with more care.
I had to cut and re-flare my refrigerant lines (way too long) and I didn't have 
a decent flare tool. That is the main reason I hired that done.
My HighSEER kit came with a tiny tube of stuff to prevent leaks at the 
refrigerant tube flare connections.  I can't swear it works but mine have never 
leaked.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

I have put in 3 LG heat/cool systems, total 8 head units, ordered from AC 
Wholesalers in FL somewhere. Easy install, 20A or 30A 220V circuits. (Don’t 
forget a power shutoff at the condenser) Nothing difficult about the install if 
you can get the lines in or through the wall (2” hole) and power to the 
condenser. The only real work is drilling the line hole and running power and 
mounting the unit brackets. I hang the condenser on the outside wall because of 
storm surge flooding concerns. 

I have my AC guy come to pull down the lines and charge the system. I think for 
the warranty you need that. 

I put in a 24k BTU system with 2 12k heads last summer, I think with all the 
lines and such it was about $2200 or so plus a coupla hundred for my guy to 
spend a coupla hours fooling with it. A single unit will be much less. 

Look on their website and order one. Mitsubishi is supposedly “the best” but 
these LGs have been fine though I have fried 2 controller boards in the big 
system due to lightning hits nearby. You might consider a surge protector in 
your system somewhere. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As my standby generator install is wrapping up and a new 4 ton Lennox AC 
> system is going into the house, I’m getting close to the point of installing 
> a mini split system to take the edge off the heat and humidity so I can work 
> in the garage without sweating buckets.
> 
> I got a quote from my AC guys for a Lennox 12,000 BTU system, which I knew 
> would be expensive - $3200 expensive. Ouch. Not an option at that price.
> 
> So I’m left with sourcing my own and having a local installer finish it out, 
> or DIY it. We’ve had these conversations here before about various brands, 
> which I would enjoy hearing the latest information anyone has in this regard, 
> but I’m also intrigued but the HUGE range of mini splits I see locally on FB 
> and Craigsli

Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have put in 3 LG heat/cool systems, total 8 head units, ordered from AC 
Wholesalers in FL somewhere. Easy install, 20A or 30A 220V circuits. (Don’t 
forget a power shutoff at the condenser) Nothing difficult about the install if 
you can get the lines in or through the wall (2” hole) and power to the 
condenser. The only real work is drilling the line hole and running power and 
mounting the unit brackets. I hang the condenser on the outside wall because of 
storm surge flooding concerns. 

I have my AC guy come to pull down the lines and charge the system. I think for 
the warranty you need that. 

I put in a 24k BTU system with 2 12k heads last summer, I think with all the 
lines and such it was about $2200 or so plus a coupla hundred for my guy to 
spend a coupla hours fooling with it. A single unit will be much less. 

Look on their website and order one. Mitsubishi is supposedly “the best” but 
these LGs have been fine though I have fried 2 controller boards in the big 
system due to lightning hits nearby. You might consider a surge protector in 
your system somewhere. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As my standby generator install is wrapping up and a new 4 ton Lennox AC 
> system is going into the house, I’m getting close to the point of installing 
> a mini split system to take the edge off the heat and humidity so I can work 
> in the garage without sweating buckets.
> 
> I got a quote from my AC guys for a Lennox 12,000 BTU system, which I knew 
> would be expensive - $3200 expensive. Ouch. Not an option at that price.
> 
> So I’m left with sourcing my own and having a local installer finish it out, 
> or DIY it. We’ve had these conversations here before about various brands, 
> which I would enjoy hearing the latest information anyone has in this regard, 
> but I’m also intrigued but the HUGE range of mini splits I see locally on FB 
> and Craigslist. The number of manufacturers is nothing short of astounding, 
> and they sound like a day’s search through AliBabba:
> 
> Boreal
> Daikin
> Dazuki
> Everwell
> Pioneer
> Premium
> Confortotal
> Gree
> Delta
> Mirage
> Air-Con
> 
> I have to believe there are just a few companies actually making these and 
> most of what’s in this market is just being brand labeled.
> 
> I’m looking for a 9,000-12,000 BTU unit so it will run on a single (120V) 
> circuit. Install will be a piece of cake as it will be on the garage wall and 
> the condensor right outside.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Me three. Our aged wall unit has finally irritated the wife. I suspect we can 
get by with something quite small, the house is only 900sq ft.
Curt

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  On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick via 
Mercedes wrote:   I need this information as well, I'm 
figuring out how to set mine up.  I'm done with window units I think.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I need this information as well, I'm figuring out how to set mine up.  I'm done 
with window units I think.
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[MBZ] OT - Mini Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As my standby generator install is wrapping up and a new 4 ton Lennox AC system 
is going into the house, I’m getting close to the point of installing a mini 
split system to take the edge off the heat and humidity so I can work in the 
garage without sweating buckets.

I got a quote from my AC guys for a Lennox 12,000 BTU system, which I knew 
would be expensive - $3200 expensive. Ouch. Not an option at that price.

So I’m left with sourcing my own and having a local installer finish it out, or 
DIY it. We’ve had these conversations here before about various brands, which I 
would enjoy hearing the latest information anyone has in this regard, but I’m 
also intrigued but the HUGE range of mini splits I see locally on FB and 
Craigslist. The number of manufacturers is nothing short of astounding, and 
they sound like a day’s search through AliBabba:

Boreal
Daikin
Dazuki
Everwell
Pioneer
Premium
Confortotal
Gree
Delta
Mirage
Air-Con

I have to believe there are just a few companies actually making these and most 
of what’s in this market is just being brand labeled.

I’m looking for a 9,000-12,000 BTU unit so it will run on a single (120V) 
circuit. Install will be a piece of cake as it will be on the garage wall and 
the condensor right outside.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My guy charged me a service call which was like $100 to pump it down and open 
the gas 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they have both Mitsubishi and LG, but the LG units are more 
> plentiful and less expensive.
> 
> I need to check with my AC guy and see what he wants to do one for.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I bought mine from AC Wholesalers, they’re in FL somewhere. Good prices. I 
>> don’t think they have Mits, I got LGs
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like they have both Mitsubishi and LG, but the LG units are more 
plentiful and less expensive.

I need to check with my AC guy and see what he wants to do one for.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought mine from AC Wholesalers, they’re in FL somewhere. Good prices. I 
> don’t think they have Mits, I got LGs
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I bought mine from AC Wholesalers, they’re in FL somewhere. Good prices. I 
don’t think they have Mits, I got LGs

--FT
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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Seller blew me off on the mini-split. Oh well, at least I got a pinball 
> machine.
> 
> One thing I did notice when I looked at the mine-split. If you’re a FB user 
> you know that when you look at something for sale they glom up the rest of 
> the page with similar items they find. There were TONs of mini-splits listed 
> for cheep, but all of them were funky names I hadn’t ever heard of before.
> 
> I saw 12,000 BTU AC only units for $400-$500 new. Interesting.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> Cash money talks.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have 
>>> no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are 
>>> no longer precharged, either.
>>> 
>>> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
>>> guy either counters or blows me off.
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 >> wrote:
 
 Mitsubishi is probably the best
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
>> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU 
>> unit they took out of service after six months they’re looking for 
>> offers on.
>> 
>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>> 
>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>  
>> >  
>> >>   
>> >  
>> >>
>> 
>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
>> can’t see it working.
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Seller blew me off on the mini-split. Oh well, at least I got a pinball machine.

One thing I did notice when I looked at the mine-split. If you’re a FB user you 
know that when you look at something for sale they glom up the rest of the page 
with similar items they find. There were TONs of mini-splits listed for cheep, 
but all of them were funky names I hadn’t ever heard of before.

I saw 12,000 BTU AC only units for $400-$500 new. Interesting.

-D


> > >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Cash money talks.
> > >>> 
> > >>> --FT
> > >>> Sent from iPhone
> > >>> 
> >  On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> >  >> wrote:
> >  
> >  I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I 
> >  have no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and 
> >  compressor are no longer precharged, either.
> >  
> >  Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
> >  guy either counters or blows me off.
> >  
> >  We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
> >  
> >  -D
> >  
> > > On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Mitsubishi is probably the best
> > > 
> > > --FT
> > > Sent from iPhone
> > > 
> > >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >>> >> 
> > >>> wrote:
> > >> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
> > >> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU 
> > >> unit they took out of service after six months they’re looking for 
> > >> offers on.
> > >> 
> > >> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
> > >> 
> > >> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
> > >>  
> > >>  > >>  
> > >> > > >>   
> > >>  > >>  
> > >> >>
> > >> 
> > >> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
> > >> can’t see it working.
> > >> 
> > >> ??
> > >> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Until I can get the loader worked out I don't even have space out in the 
garage.Our garage is no place for an arcade machine either...
-Curt

On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 10:09:24 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I don’t either. It’s going in the garage for now. Until I can get one of these 
young adults out of the house it will remain out there I suspect.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Cocktail are the least common cabinets unless you count the bar top ones. A 
> good Ms Pac-Man should run just under $1000.
> 
> I've had opportunities for pinball machines over the year but don't have 
> space for one...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Those cocktail machines are pretty common and not terribly expensive. Nothing 
> like the prices for pinball machines. Some of the really popular electronic 
> games, like Addams Family, can bring upwards of $8k-$10k, believe it or not. 
> EM machines seem to run the $1k-$2k range, which is stupid. Some really 
> popular ones, such as 4 Million B.C, for example, can get into the mid $2k 
> range. Crazy.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Who wouldn't want a pinball machine?Actually I want a cocktail Ms. Pac-Man 
> > cabinet...
> > Curt
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> > 
> >  On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> >Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  What 
> >in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?
> > 
> > On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy 
> >> that only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up 
> >> tomorrow. Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool 
> >> garage to work on the pinball machine in…
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Cash money talks.
> >>> 
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>  
>  I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have 
>  no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are 
>  no longer precharged, either.
>  
>  Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
>  guy either counters or blows me off.
>  
>  We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>  
>  -D
>  
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Mitsubishi is probably the best
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> > 
> >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
> >> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
> >> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers 
> >> on.
> >> 
> >> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
> >> 
> >> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
> >>   
> >>  >>  
> >> >
> >> 
> >> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
> >> can’t see it working.
> >> 
> >> ??
> >> 
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t either. It’s going in the garage for now. Until I can get one of these 
young adults out of the house it will remain out there I suspect.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Cocktail are the least common cabinets unless you count the bar top ones. A 
> good Ms Pac-Man should run just under $1000.
> 
> I've had opportunities for pinball machines over the year but don't have 
> space for one...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Those cocktail machines are pretty common and not terribly expensive. Nothing 
> like the prices for pinball machines. Some of the really popular electronic 
> games, like Addams Family, can bring upwards of $8k-$10k, believe it or not. 
> EM machines seem to run the $1k-$2k range, which is stupid. Some really 
> popular ones, such as 4 Million B.C, for example, can get into the mid $2k 
> range. Crazy.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Who wouldn't want a pinball machine?Actually I want a cocktail Ms. Pac-Man 
> > cabinet...
> > Curt
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> > 
> >  On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> > Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  What 
> > in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?
> > 
> > On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy 
> >> that only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up 
> >> tomorrow. Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool 
> >> garage to work on the pinball machine in…
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Cash money talks.
> >>> 
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>  
>  I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have 
>  no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are 
>  no longer precharged, either.
>  
>  Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
>  guy either counters or blows me off.
>  
>  We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>  
>  -D
>  
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Mitsubishi is probably the best
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> > 
> >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
> >> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
> >> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers 
> >> on.
> >> 
> >> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
> >> 
> >> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
> >>   
> >>  >>  
> >> >
> >> 
> >> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
> >> can’t see it working.
> >> 
> >> ??
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Cocktail are the least common cabinets unless you count the bar top ones. A 
good Ms Pac-Man should run just under $1000.
I've had opportunities for pinball machines over the year but don't have space 
for one...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Those cocktail machines are pretty 
common and not terribly expensive. Nothing like the prices for pinball 
machines. Some of the really popular electronic games, like Addams Family, can 
bring upwards of $8k-$10k, believe it or not. EM machines seem to run the 
$1k-$2k range, which is stupid. Some really popular ones, such as 4 Million 
B.C, for example, can get into the mid $2k range. Crazy.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who wouldn't want a pinball machine?Actually I want a cocktail Ms. Pac-Man 
> cabinet...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>Mercedes wrote:  What in the heck do you need with a 
>pinball machine?
> 
> On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
>> only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. 
>> Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to 
>> work on the pinball machine in…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cash money talks.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
 way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
 longer precharged, either.
 
 Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
 either counters or blows me off.
 
 We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitsubishi is probably the best
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
>> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
>> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>> 
>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>> 
>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
>> see it working.
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Those cocktail machines are pretty common and not terribly expensive. Nothing 
like the prices for pinball machines. Some of the really popular electronic 
games, like Addams Family, can bring upwards of $8k-$10k, believe it or not. EM 
machines seem to run the $1k-$2k range, which is stupid. Some really popular 
ones, such as 4 Million B.C, for example, can get into the mid $2k range. Crazy.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who wouldn't want a pinball machine?Actually I want a cocktail Ms. Pac-Man 
> cabinet...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes wrote:   What in the heck do you need with a 
> pinball machine?
> 
> On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
>> only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. 
>> Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to 
>> work on the pinball machine in…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cash money talks.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
 way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
 longer precharged, either.
 
 Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
 either counters or blows me off.
 
 We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitsubishi is probably the best
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
>> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
>> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>> 
>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>> 
>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
>> see it working.
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Who wouldn't want a pinball machine?Actually I want a cocktail Ms. Pac-Man 
cabinet...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   What in the heck do you need with a 
pinball machine?

On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
> only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. Now 
> if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to work on 
> the pinball machine in…
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Cash money talks.
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
>>> way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
>>> longer precharged, either.
>>>
>>> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
>>> either counters or blows me off.
>>>
>>> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 Mitsubishi is probably the best

 --FT
 Sent from iPhone

>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
> someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took 
> out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>
> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>
> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>  
> 
>
> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
> see it working.
>
> ??
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don’t know about that. Maybe with electromechanical games. I don’t do the solid 
state stuff. No fun, far too complex.

Here’s a schematic for the game. Classic ladder diagram.

https://www.ipdb.org/files/1388/Williams_1971_Klondike_Schematic_Diagram_continuous.pdf
 


Not a lot of people around who can find their way through one of these any 
more. Troubleshooting at it’s best.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You’re a pinball wizard
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:35 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a nice side business years ago buying and selling electromechanical 
>> pins. I’ve often had a couple around the house for entertainment, but like 
>> cars, the darned younger people with more money than brains have driven the 
>> values up, even for the old EM machines, to the point where they’re often 
>> unaffordable. That’s caused a bunch of opportunists to come out of the 
>> woodwork to buy these things up at any price to clean up (“shop”) and resell 
>> to these people.
>> 
>> Go look on your local CL under “pinball” and see how many listings there are 
>> by people who will pay “top dollar” for your old pinball game.
>> 
>> This is a nice Williams single player “Klondike” machine:
>> 
>> https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1388=66466
>> 
>> Needs to be shopped and some minor electrical repairs. Most likely just a 
>> good cleaning. Single player games are not typically as desirable as multi 
>> player games for the obvious reason, so they often command less money. I’m 
>> getting this one for $450 and once shopped and working 100% it’s probably 
>> worth around $800-$1000, maybe more. I’ll disassemble the play field, relamp 
>> everything and install new rubbers. That will cost maybe $75-$100 in parts. 
>> Everything else is labor.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?
>>> 
> On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy 
 that only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up 
 tomorrow. Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool 
 garage to work on the pinball machine in…
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cash money talks.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have 
>> no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are 
>> no longer precharged, either.
>> 
>> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
>> guy either counters or blows me off.
>> 
>> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mitsubishi is probably the best
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
 because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
 they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers 
 on.
 
 It’s an MZ-GL09NA
 
 https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
  
 
 
 I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
 can’t see it working.
 
 ??
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You’re a pinball wizard

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:35 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had a nice side business years ago buying and selling electromechanical 
> pins. I’ve often had a couple around the house for entertainment, but like 
> cars, the darned younger people with more money than brains have driven the 
> values up, even for the old EM machines, to the point where they’re often 
> unaffordable. That’s caused a bunch of opportunists to come out of the 
> woodwork to buy these things up at any price to clean up (“shop”) and resell 
> to these people.
> 
> Go look on your local CL under “pinball” and see how many listings there are 
> by people who will pay “top dollar” for your old pinball game.
> 
> This is a nice Williams single player “Klondike” machine:
> 
> https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1388=66466
> 
> Needs to be shopped and some minor electrical repairs. Most likely just a 
> good cleaning. Single player games are not typically as desirable as multi 
> player games for the obvious reason, so they often command less money. I’m 
> getting this one for $450 and once shopped and working 100% it’s probably 
> worth around $800-$1000, maybe more. I’ll disassemble the play field, relamp 
> everything and install new rubbers. That will cost maybe $75-$100 in parts. 
> Everything else is labor.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?
>> 
 On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy 
>>> that only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up 
>>> tomorrow. Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool 
>>> garage to work on the pinball machine in…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Cash money talks.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have 
> no way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
> longer precharged, either.
> 
> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the 
> guy either counters or blows me off.
> 
> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mitsubishi is probably the best
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
>>> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
>>> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>>> 
>>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>>> 
>>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I 
>>> can’t see it working.
>>> 
>>> ??
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[dan--- via Mercedes]

I had a nice side business years ago buying and selling electromechanical pins. 
I’ve often had a couple around the house for entertainment, but like cars, the 
darned younger people with more money than brains have driven the values up, 
even for the old EM machines, to the point where they’re often unaffordable. 
That’s caused a bunch of opportunists to come out of the woodwork to buy these 
things up at any price to clean up (“shop”) and resell to these people.

Go look on your local CL under “pinball” and see how many listings there are by 
people who will pay “top dollar” for your old pinball game.

This is a nice Williams single player “Klondike” machine:

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1388=66466

Needs to be shopped and some minor electrical repairs. Most likely just a good 
cleaning. Single player games are not typically as desirable as multi player 
games for the obvious reason, so they often command less money. I’m getting 
this one for $450 and once shopped and working 100% it’s probably worth around 
$800-$1000, maybe more. I’ll disassemble the play field, relamp everything and 
install new rubbers. That will cost maybe $75-$100 in parts. Everything else is 
labor.

-D

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?
> 
>> On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
>> only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. 
>> Now if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to 
>> work on the pinball machine in…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cash money talks.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
 way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
 longer precharged, either.
 
 Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
 either counters or blows me off.
 
 We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitsubishi is probably the best
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask 
>> because someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit 
>> they took out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>> 
>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>> 
>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
>> see it working.
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What in the heck do you need with a pinball machine?

On 3/25/2020 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. Now 
if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to work on 
the pinball machine in…

-D


On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Cash money talks.

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no way 
of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no longer 
precharged, either.

Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
either counters or blows me off.

We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.

-D


On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Mitsubishi is probably the best

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took out of 
service after six months they’re looking for offers on.

It’s an MZ-GL09NA

https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
 


I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t see it 
working.

??

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just got a deal on a pinball machine I made a lowball offer on to a guy that 
only lives about four bocks away. Guess I’ll be picking that up tomorrow. Now 
if I can just get a deal on the mini-split I’ll have a cool garage to work on 
the pinball machine in…

-D

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cash money talks. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
>> way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no 
>> longer precharged, either.
>> 
>> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
>> either counters or blows me off.
>> 
>> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mitsubishi is probably the best
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
 someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took 
 out of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
 
 It’s an MZ-GL09NA
 
 https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
  
 
 
 I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
 see it working.
 
 ??
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Cash money talks. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no 
> way of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no longer 
> precharged, either.
> 
> Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
> either counters or blows me off.
> 
> We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mitsubishi is probably the best
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
>>> someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took out 
>>> of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>>> 
>>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>>> 
>>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t 
>>> see it working.
>>> 
>>> ??
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I lowered my offer to $350, stating that since it’s not working I have no way 
of knowing if it’s functional, and the lines and compressor are no longer 
precharged, either.

Doubt that will garner any sympathy, but we’ll see. Worst thing is the guy 
either counters or blows me off.

We’ll see. I closed on the old house today, I feel lucky.

-D

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitsubishi is probably the best
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
>> someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took out 
>> of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
>> 
>> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
>> 
>> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t see 
>> it working.
>> 
>> ??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Mitsubishi is probably the best

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Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
> someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took out 
> of service after six months they’re looking for offers on.
> 
> It’s an MZ-GL09NA
> 
> https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
>  
> 
> 
> I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t see 
> it working.
> 
> ??
> 
> -D
> 
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[MBZ] OT - Mini-Split AC Units

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did someone say Mitsubishi was a good brand of mini-split? I ask because 
someone on my local FB Marketplace group has a 9,000 BTU unit they took out of 
service after six months they’re looking for offers on.

It’s an MZ-GL09NA

https://hvacdirect.com/mitsubishi-mz-gl09na-9-000-btu-24-6-seer-ductless-mini-split-heat-pump.html
 


I’m thinking I should offend and offer $400. No guarantees since I can’t see it 
working.

??

-D

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