Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes.

"BBB" on the new mount = Better Business Bureau?
-- 
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'95 E300

On September 5, 2015 12:03:45 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Thanks, Wilton.
>
>Think the mounts were collapsed?
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0
>
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> ATTABOY!
>> 
>> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

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Sharpie marks with anything I replace on the car with the mileage and date, 
when space permits.  If you pul a filter on one of my cars it will have the 
mileage it was installed at and the date.

And it gets entered in the database with date, time, cost and part information.

Example from the S500:

Service 0   3/20/13 8:40 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,895 $0.00   
0   $74.47  HomeDebit   0   $74.47  
Replace transmission mount
Gas 17.73/16/13 1:03 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,742 Full$3.81   
13.258  $50.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$50.50  
Service 0   3/14/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,670 $0.00   
0   $24.00  HomeDebit   0   MB power 
steering fluid $24.00  Flush & fill power steering, Replace power steering 
filter
Service 0   3/13/13 3:06 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,618 $0.00   
0   $165.00 HomeDebit   0   $165.00 
Replace motor mounts
Service 0   3/12/13 5:56 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,602 $0.00   
0   $181.84 Tint Studio, Gibsonton, FL  Debit   0   
$181.84 Window tinting
Service 0   3/11/13 7:28 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,590 $0.00   
0   $100.00 HomeDebit   0   Mobil 1 gear 
oil, MB coolant @ 30%, Purple Ice cooling system additive  $100.00 Antifreeze, 
Flush cooling system, Add cooling system treatment, Drain & refill 
differential, Replace thermostat
Gas 15.33/8/13  4:10 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,539 Full$3.87   
16.412  $63.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$63.50  
Service 0   3/6/13  5:57 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,453 $0.00   
0   $21.00  HomeDebit   0   $21.00  
Install body drain grommets, Install trunk drain grommets, Windshield Wipers
Gas 17.73/1/13  5:42 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,249 Full$4.02   
14.431  $58.00  90+ HessBloomingdaleDebit   0   $58.00  
Service 0   2/24/13 5:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,028 $0.00   
0   $0.00   HomeDebit   0   $0.00   
Clean connections on instrument cluster connectors and circuit board
Service 0   2/24/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,012 $0.00   
0   $38.50  HomeDebit   0   $38.50  
Flush SLS system and replace filter screen
Service 0   2/24/13 10:32 AM1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,007 
$0.00   0   $15.00  HomeDebit   0   
$15.00  Fuel Filter
Service 0   2/23/13 5:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,000 $0.00   
0   $100.00 HomeDebit   0   $100.00 
Replace front flex disc, Replace rear flex disc
Gas 18  2/22/13 4:12 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,989 Full$3.99   
19.052  $76.00  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$76.00  
Service 0   2/17/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,771 $0.00   
0   $36.00  HomeDebit   0   $36.00  
Clean interior, Replace third brake light cover, Cabin air filter
Gas 17.52/13/13 4:25 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,656 Full$3.80   
18.031  $68.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$68.50  
Service 0   2/11/13 8:27 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,586 $0.00   
0   $42.00  HomeDebit   0   $42.00  
Cabin air filter, Replace ACC panel lamps, Replace water temp gauge sender, 
Replace third brake light bulb
Service 0   2/8/13  1:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,580 $0.00   
0   $397.40 Tampa, FL   Check   0   
$397.40 Registration, Title
Service 0   2/7/13  5:33 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,451 $0.00   
0   $508.90 Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$508.90 Replace front tires, Replace rear tires
Service 0   2/6/13  3:52 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,403 $0.00   
0   $342.00 HCPSDebit   0   $342.00 
Windshield replacement
Gas 17.72/4/13  5:53 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,337 Full$3.73   
21.99   $82.00  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$82.00  
Service 0   2/2/13  7:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,255 $0.00   
0   $0.00   BloomingdaleDebit   0   $0.00   
Wax, Wash
Gas 20.42/1/13  5:06 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 244,888 Full$3.90   
17.481  $68.16  90+ Shell   Savannah, GADebit   0   $68.16  


> On Sep 

Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:40:27 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I add to it with the mileage of the car….

Interesting idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:40:37 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the
> S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.
> 
> I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as
> it’s buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special
> tool for this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger
> (easy) side in about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about
> 40.
> 
> Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy
> job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early
> today, then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it
> will be R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.
> It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings
> for it.

I wish you success!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve seen all sorts of letters on Lemforder stuff.  I can only suspect that 
it’s a QC think, maybe the inspector that checks it before it goes out the door?

I add to it with the mileage of the car….

Dan

 
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> "BBB" on the new mount = Better Business Bureau?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On September 5, 2015 12:03:45 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Wilton.
>> 
>> Think the mounts were collapsed?
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ATTABOY!
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The lumbar bladder, NOT the orthopedic one that has like 5 different sections, 
is a piece of cake to replace.  You can do it through the back cover, which 
comes off with a couple of screws at the bottom and then just pulling down to 
remove it.

With the back cover off you can see the old one.  There is a foam pad that’s 
stuck to the bladder with plastic rivets, you want to keep that on the new one 
when you slip it into place.

I just cut the pneumatic line and splice it.  I’ve snaked the new line and 
connector with the convoluted tubing on it through the seat hinge but it’s a 
PITA to do.

Pretty simple.  The bladder is about $60 list.

If by chance you have the orthopedic seats, you’re screwed. The bladder for the 
orthopedic seat is NLA, and even if it was available it cost about $250.

Dan


> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's the deal with the seat bladders? I think I have leaking ones on mine. 
> How hard are they to replace?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
>> appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of 
>> the records last night, including the complete history from the MB 
>> dealership where it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of 
>> its life.
>> 
>> It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right 
>> now, the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due 
>> to age) but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as 
>> well, so I’m almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.
>> 
>> If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
>> vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the 
>> case of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend 
>> out of the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know 
>> where the corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”
>> 
>> The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
>> system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
>> allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the 
>> ACC’s “REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)
>> 
>> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
>> prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
>> cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the 
>> problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops 
>> due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum 
>> drops, causing the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.
>> 
>> It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
>> the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid 
>> they needed to put through college.
>> 
>> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
>> 
>> Starter
>> Alternator
>> Power steering pump (2x)
>> AC compressor (2x)
>> AC evaporator (2x)
>> AC condensor (2x)
>> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
>> PSE pump (4x)
>> 
>> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
>> independent and it would need some sort of major work.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wish you success!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
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[MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.

I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for this 
job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.

Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job on 
the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then it’s 
time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the right 
front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got 
a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Wilton.

Think the mounts were collapsed?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0


Dan


> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> ATTABOY!
> 
> Wilton


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[MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.

I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for this 
job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.

Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job on 
the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then it’s 
time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the right 
front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got 
a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Okie Benz" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts


Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the 
S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.


I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for 
this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in 
about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.


Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy 
job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, 
then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be 
R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a 
stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What's the deal with the seat bladders? I think I have leaking ones on mine. 
How hard are they to replace?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
> appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of 
> the records last night, including the complete history from the MB dealership 
> where it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of its life.
> 
> It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right now, 
> the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due to 
> age) but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as well, so 
> I’m almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.
> 
> If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
> vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the case 
> of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend out 
> of the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know where 
> the corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”
> 
> The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
> system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
> allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the 
> ACC’s “REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)
> 
> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
> prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
> cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the 
> problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops 
> due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum 
> drops, causing the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.
> 
> It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
> the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid 
> they needed to put through college.
> 
> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
> 
> Starter
> Alternator
> Power steering pump (2x)
> AC compressor (2x)
> AC evaporator (2x)
> AC condensor (2x)
> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
> PSE pump (4x)
> 
> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
> independent and it would need some sort of major work.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I wish you success!
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:06:14 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks!

You are welcome.


> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered
> that appear to have plagued this car for years.
>   
> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell
> that is prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order,
> as they’re cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect
> that’s where the problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps
> when engine vacuum drops due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able
> to keep up and the vacuum drops, causing the flaps to go to the default
> (defrost) position.

May it solve your problems!


> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
> 
> Starter
> Alternator
> Power steering pump (2x)
> AC compressor (2x)
> AC evaporator (2x)
> AC condensor (2x)
> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
> PSE pump (4x)
> 
> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with
> the independent and it would need some sort of major work.

That's pretty amazing. I agree; the independent had either a boat or a
child he needed to put through college.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks!

I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of the 
records last night, including the complete history from the MB dealership where 
it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of its life.

It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right now, 
the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due to age) 
but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as well, so I’m 
almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.

If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the case 
of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend out of 
the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know where the 
corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”

The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the ACC’s 
“REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)

There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the problem 
lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops due to 
acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum drops, causing 
the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.

It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid they 
needed to put through college.

In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:

Starter
Alternator
Power steering pump (2x)
AC compressor (2x)
AC evaporator (2x)
AC condensor (2x)
Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
PSE pump (4x)

It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
independent and it would need some sort of major work.

Dan



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> 
> I wish you success!
> 
> 
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