Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
easy: Jack it up and spin the tire. if it wobbles more than 3/16 the tire is bad max sez: Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
My thoughts, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes Are your tires have a slipped belt? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max, Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace? Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D -Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes '87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles. Help me with some diagnosis ideas please. At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the time it will not. Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and turning left or right would make it shake. Occasionally, on the first acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will shake while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds. After a shaking episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day. A few weeks ago I had the car aligned. I've just installed a set of used tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a couple weeks ago. Paid extra for Road Force balancing: http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or Rusty parts. Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints, idler arm bushings. I'm not sure about the steering damper. The wheel bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k miles ago. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other was Bridgestone. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What brand? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big box stores. Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:entry. Both sets were Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other was Bridgestone. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What brand? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big box stores. Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:entry. Both sets were Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
The sayams clup tars are built to fail, so you keep coming back. Most I got there were replaced in about 20k miles. I was getting tars 2-3 times per year, driving 50k /year in the SDL. Walmert is likely the same, but we only bought one set of tars there, the 13 for #1 Son's 200D 2.4 They were miserable tars. unsafe at any speed, as it turned out. almost no cord in them, so they burst easily, terrible rubber, so they wear fast. Much worse than anything I got at Sayams. I think within a year they were all gone. I bought new tars for the junker 300D in Indiana before I drove it home, so we put the 14 tars and wheels and hubcaps on the 200D. It was hard to get 13 tars at the time. I can't remember the brand, but the LAST pair of tars I got from Sayams Clup were a directional tar, and we actually wore them out on the 124 300D. I don't think they were high mileage, but at least they lasted 6-7 years and didn't come apart or slip belts. Best tars I've had have been contis made in germany from eurotar in NJ, before Continental bought General Tar in the USA. Actually, all the Yurpeen tars I got from Eurotar were good. I never had a failure from any of those tires. Then eurotire changed hands or something, and the prices went wayup and they changed their focus to racing/rubber band tires so I quit buying there. (and it got expensive to pay separate mounting/balancing) I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big box stores. Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
The S430 has Michelins on it and they're very nice. 17 beasts, an optional tire size for this model. I checked prices on them and they currently sell for around $175/tire. Ouch. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big box stores. Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:entry. Both sets were Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
What brand? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big box stores. Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:entry. Both sets were Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Don't know. How do you test for that? I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the out of round condition caused by the slipped belt. However, in that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are your tires have a slipped belt? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires? - Max Charleston SC Snake oil, of course ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin Sent from my OkiePhone Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts. In my experience they are worth nowhere near the money. Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end goodyears that were very good tires.We wore em out. Generals have been ok summer tires, but terrible (scary) on snow. I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but I'd had very good experiences with German made tires, and also with the french Kleber. I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I bought it. All 4 slipped belts within 50 miles on a MBCA event. THAT was a fun ride home! It was like being on some carnival car with elliptical wheels mounted at an angle. up and down and sideways, all over the place, all out of phase, and hoping not more than one popped before we got home, 'cause there is only one spare! It was a long slow trip home Jokohamas came apart on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE. My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14 tars were hard to find. They all slipped belts /bubbled. in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they slip belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of damage. Blizzaks have been good. No problems with any of them. I've worn out a few sets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
I've had good experiences with Goodyear in the past, which was why I had them on the car recently. The only mistake was buying them from Dead Sam's. I have to assume they were Dead Sam spec tires as opposed to their main line brand. When we returned to Florida in 2010 and I was making barely $11/hour just to get back in the school system, the youngest boy's 2005 Ford Focus needed tires badly. I put a set of Tires Plus' house brand (Primewell) on the car for a little over $200. We got nearly 40k miles out of them. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin Sent from my OkiePhone Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts. In my experience they are worth nowhere near the money. Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end goodyears that were very good tires.We wore em out. Generals have been ok summer tires, but terrible (scary) on snow. I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but I'd had very good experiences with German made tires, and also with the french Kleber. I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I bought it. All 4 slipped belts within 50 miles on a MBCA event. THAT was a fun ride home! It was like being on some carnival car with elliptical wheels mounted at an angle. up and down and sideways, all over the place, all out of phase, and hoping not more than one popped before we got home, 'cause there is only one spare! It was a long slow trip home Jokohamas came apart on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE. My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14 tars were hard to find. They all slipped belts /bubbled. in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they slip belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of damage. Blizzaks have been good. No problems with any of them. I've worn out a few sets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Are your tires have a slipped belt? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max, Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace? Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D -Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes '87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles. Help me with some diagnosis ideas please. At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the time it will not. Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and turning left or right would make it shake. Occasionally, on the first acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will shake while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds. After a shaking episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day. A few weeks ago I had the car aligned. I've just installed a set of used tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a couple weeks ago. Paid extra for Road Force balancing: http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or Rusty parts. Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints, idler arm bushings. I'm not sure about the steering damper. The wheel bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k miles ago. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Bob, I haven't dug into my wagon's problem yet, I've been focusing on other problems with my '95 sedan. In my case, I think the new tires may be to blame, but I also plan to check ball joints and the idler arm bushing. Inner bushings on the control arm? I'm sceptical those would cause such a shake without also presenting many other problems. Wheel bearings out of adjustment? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 2, 2015 10:41:06 PM EDT, Robert Massmann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max, Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace? Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Max, Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace? Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D -Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes '87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles. Help me with some diagnosis ideas please. At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the time it will not. Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and turning left or right would make it shake. Occasionally, on the first acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will shake while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds. After a shaking episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day. A few weeks ago I had the car aligned. I've just installed a set of used tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a couple weeks ago. Paid extra for Road Force balancing: http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or Rusty parts. Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints, idler arm bushings. I'm not sure about the steering damper. The wheel bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k miles ago. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
Max, Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace? Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D what you named, the parts you have not replaced are suspect, along with the center link and upper ball joints. I'd check the steering idler bushing first. They are rarely checked and often bad. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tires. Try swapping them around. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
