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Maybe in your deals.

-D

> On May 11, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You are supposed to let him send you an offer. He who speaks first usually 
> loses. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

2017-05-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

You are supposed to let him send you an offer. He who speaks first usually 
loses. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> From what I saw it’s a parking structure of some sort.  Not sure if they’re 
> all there or in other locations.  I sent him an email with an offer last 
> night.  No word as of this moment.  I’m hoping to hear back from him soon…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And for whoever is still in the running, I'm willing to visit the yard
>> where the 200D and dozens of other veteran Benzes are allegedly being kept.
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

From what I saw it’s a parking structure of some sort.  Not sure if they’re all 
there or in other locations.  I sent him an email with an offer last night.  No 
word as of this moment.  I’m hoping to hear back from him soon…

-D

> On May 11, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And for whoever is still in the running, I'm willing to visit the yard
> where the 200D and dozens of other veteran Benzes are allegedly being kept.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

2017-05-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

And for whoever is still in the running, I'm willing to visit the yard
where the 200D and dozens of other veteran Benzes are allegedly being kept.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have AC. It isn't *in* the car. But I have AC. By the way, found this and
> thought of your search.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I’ll keep you posted. To be honest, even if the 230S in Orlando is a
> > decent car I’m more interested in the DC car for a lot of reasons, as
> it’s
> > more plain than the 230S and has been in the possession of the owner
> since
> > 1980.  Lots of provenance with the car which is more appealing to me.
> And
> > it has AC!
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On May 11, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan, I might be interested in the D.C. car if he needs another buyer!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:38 AM Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just got to make sure I'm following the story properly!
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yes it is.  I’m looking for a W110/111/112, essentially any fintail
> > >> bodied
> > >>> car.  I didn’t call out the 230S as a W110 - that is the car in DC
> > >> that’s a
> > >>> 200 - it’s a W110.
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

I’ll keep you posted. To be honest, even if the 230S in Orlando is a decent car 
I’m more interested in the DC car for a lot of reasons, as it’s more plain than 
the 230S and has been in the possession of the owner since 1980.  Lots of 
provenance with the car which is more appealing to me.  And it has AC!

-D


> On May 11, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Dan, I might be interested in the D.C. car if he needs another buyer!
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:38 AM Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just got to make sure I'm following the story properly!
>> 
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes it is.  I’m looking for a W110/111/112, essentially any fintail
>> bodied
>>> car.  I didn’t call out the 230S as a W110 - that is the car in DC
>> that’s a
>>> 200 - it’s a W110.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

2017-05-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Dan, I might be interested in the D.C. car if he needs another buyer!


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:38 AM Ed Booher via Mercedes <
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> Just got to make sure I'm following the story properly!
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes it is.  I’m looking for a W110/111/112, essentially any fintail
> bodied
> > car.  I didn’t call out the 230S as a W110 - that is the car in DC
> that’s a
> > 200 - it’s a W110.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

2017-05-11 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

Just got to make sure I'm following the story properly!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes it is.  I’m looking for a W110/111/112, essentially any fintail bodied
> car.  I didn’t call out the 230S as a W110 - that is the car in DC that’s a
> 200 - it’s a W110.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

Yes it is.  I’m looking for a W110/111/112, essentially any fintail bodied car. 
 I didn’t call out the 230S as a W110 - that is the car in DC that’s a 200 - 
it’s a W110.

-D

> On May 11, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Working a deal on a nice W110 (1966 200) in DC that I made an offer on
>> last night.  Haven’t heard back from the seller yet.
>> 
>> Saw a response later in the evening to a “Want to Buy” thread I started on
>> PeachParts for a finnie.  The guy is in Orlando.  Called him last night
>> after I had sent the offer to the guy in DC.  No answer.
>> 
>> Got a text and email from the guy in Orlando around 1:00 am this morning.
>> He has a 1966 230S he wants $500 more than the offer I made on the 1966 200
>> in DC.  I could drive this car home and save the $1000+ it would cost me to
>> transport a car from DC to Florida.
>> 
> 
> Isn't a "230S" technically a W111? My `66 W110 is just a 230  Right?
> 
> 
>> When it rains it pours, I guess.  I’ll connect with the Orlando guy today
>> and find out more.  He sent me one picture and the car looks pretty decent.
>> I hate to say it, but I like the 200 better than the 230, mainly because
>> the 200 is so plain.  The 200 has AC, too, don’t know if the 230 does or
>> not.  Of course, AC on a 200 is sort of a joke, but….
>> 
>> More as I know it.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Dang It Again W110

2017-05-11 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Working a deal on a nice W110 (1966 200) in DC that I made an offer on
> last night.  Haven’t heard back from the seller yet.
>
> Saw a response later in the evening to a “Want to Buy” thread I started on
> PeachParts for a finnie.  The guy is in Orlando.  Called him last night
> after I had sent the offer to the guy in DC.  No answer.
>
> Got a text and email from the guy in Orlando around 1:00 am this morning.
> He has a 1966 230S he wants $500 more than the offer I made on the 1966 200
> in DC.  I could drive this car home and save the $1000+ it would cost me to
> transport a car from DC to Florida.
>

Isn't a "230S" technically a W111? My `66 W110 is just a 230  Right?


> When it rains it pours, I guess.  I’ll connect with the Orlando guy today
> and find out more.  He sent me one picture and the car looks pretty decent.
> I hate to say it, but I like the 200 better than the 230, mainly because
> the 200 is so plain.  The 200 has AC, too, don’t know if the 230 does or
> not.  Of course, AC on a 200 is sort of a joke, but….
>
> More as I know it.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang!

2017-05-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

I looked up scientology on the web. It appears to be based in part on Freuds 
theory of the Id and Ego. It seems to get into trouble when dealing with people 
who see visions, hear voices, can't function in normal society 
(schizophrenics). Several schizophrenics under the "care" of scientology have 
committed murder.

Wikipedia has a pretty thorough article on Hubbard and Scientology. This about 
Hubbards early years is interesting:

"L. Ron Hubbard (1911–1986) was the only child of Harry Ross Hubbard, a United 
States Navy officer, and his wife Ledora. Hubbard spent three semesters at 
George Washington University but was placed on probation in September 1931. He 
failed to return for the fall 1932 semester.[27]

In July 1941, Hubbard was commissioned as a Lieutenant (junior grade) in the 
U.S. Naval Reserve. On May 18, 1943, his subchaser left Portland. That night, 
Hubbard ordered his crew to fire 35 depth charges and a number of gun rounds at 
what he believed were Japanese submarines.[28] His ship sustained minor damage 
and three crew were injured. Having run out of depth charges and with the 
presence of a submarine still unconfirmed by other ships, Hubbard's ship was 
ordered back to port. The navy report concludes that "there was no submarine in 
the area." A decade later, Hubbard claimed he had sunk a Japanese submarine in 
his Scientology lectures.

On June 28, 1941, Hubbard ordered his crew to fire on the Coronado Islands. 
Hubbard apparently did not realize that the islands belonged to US-allied 
Mexico, nor that he had taken his vessel into Mexican territorial waters.[30] 
He was reprimanded and removed from command on July 7.[30] After reassignment 
to a naval facility in Monterey, California, Hubbard became depressed and fell 
ill. Reporting stomach pains in April 1945, he spent the remainder of the war 
as a patient in Oak Knoll Naval Hospital in Oakland, California...snip
Gerry

~~~
> Yeah that was some pretty funny stuff.  Didn't Elron's wife or 
> girlfriend kill him out in the desert and they never found his body?
> 
> I have this friend (or used to, haven't seen him in ages) who knew both 
> of those characters somewhat peripherally based on some interesting 
> background.  He was good friends with Jerry Pournelle and I guess all 
> these guys used to hang around together at various times.  They were all 
> pretty weird but quite smart too.  I met one of them once, a somewhat 
> marginal SF writer, I forget which one, at one of his weddings.  I 
> remember talking to my friend about this scientologist thing way back 
> when, he thought it was the funniest damn thing he ever saw -- some hack 
> by Elron got turned into something for reals and those idiots started 
> making big money off it.  Wonders never cease.
> 
> I had this other friend, another MIT guy, who had a very serious plan to 
> create a "religion" and start it up.  He had most of the details worked 
> out to be internally consistent, but of course the whole thing was 
> complete BS nonsense which was part of the fun for him.  I think at the 
> time his main interests in doing it were to 1) just do it, 2) see if he 
> could get people to actually get involved with it, and 3) women.  It of 
> course had him as the Grand Poobah or something, to whom all the women 
> would have to submit, and the guys would do the work and bring in 
> money.  No xenus or anything like that, it was just some feel-good kind 
> of thing (mostly for him) and a way to fund whatever other interests he 
> might have (along with the women aspect).  As far as I know he never 
> moved forward with it but he was more than half-serious about it.  He 
> was quite successful in the women aspect even without the religion due 
> to his rather winning personality, so that motivation factor kinda faded 
> away.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 5/8/17 8:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this
> >> "religion" or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many
> >> people?
> >>
> > Would you believe a bar bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?
> >
> > Hubbard founded Scientology, and Heinlein wrote "Stranger In A Strange
> > Land,"  so who did the better job is up for debate...  :D
> >
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the

Re: [MBZ] Dang!

2017-05-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

On Mon, 8 May 2017 07:17:48 -0500
"M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this
> > "religion" or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many
> > people?
> >
> 
> Would you believe a bar bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?
> 
> Hubbard founded Scientology, and Heinlein wrote "Stranger In A Strange
> Land,"  so who did the better job is up for debate...  :D
> 
> -MMM-
~~~
Remarkable!
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Dang!

2017-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On May 8, 2017 at 10:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah that was some pretty funny stuff.  Didn't Elron's wife or 
> girlfriend kill him out in the desert and they never found his body?

El Ron got a reputation for being a recluse. Eventually Davide's Miscarriage, 
the #2 man in the scam, was the gatekeeper who could keep everybody, including 
doctors and family, away from El Ron and claim it was El Ron's idea. Right 
before El Ron died, he went into seclusion and willed all his copyrights to the 
church, which would be run by The Miscarriage upon his death. 

Cynics think that Miscarriage kidnapped him and withheld freedom and medical 
attention for ransom, the ransom being all of his copyrighted novels and 
Scientology texts. Then, after El Ron paid up, he was worth far more dead than 
alive, so it was important for him to become as dead as Lisa McPherson. The 
same cynics think it's simple karma that El Ron was robbed upon his deathbed of 
all his ill-gotten gains that he'd intended to leave to his family. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Dang!

2017-05-08 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Not to mention the income becomes tax free.

The flying spaghetti monster thing is intriguing too. Obviously a joke,
but a good tax shelter, nonetheless. So long as the goobers have no
grounding in reality, any farcical "religion" makes a great tax shelter.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
May 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM
Yeah that was some pretty funny stuff. Didn't Elron's wife or
girlfriend kill him out in the desert and they never found his body?

I have this friend (or used to, haven't seen him in ages) who knew
both of those characters somewhat peripherally based on some
interesting background. He was good friends with Jerry Pournelle and
I guess all these guys used to hang around together at various times.
They were all pretty weird but quite smart too. I met one of them
once, a somewhat marginal SF writer, I forget which one, at one of his
weddings. I remember talking to my friend about this scientologist
thing way back when, he thought it was the funniest damn thing he ever
saw -- some hack by Elron got turned into something for reals and
those idiots started making big money off it. Wonders never cease.

I had this other friend, another MIT guy, who had a very serious plan
to create a "religion" and start it up. He had most of the details
worked out to be internally consistent, but of course the whole thing
was complete BS nonsense which was part of the fun for him. I think
at the time his main interests in doing it were to 1) just do it, 2)
see if he could get people to actually get involved with it, and 3)
women. It of course had him as the Grand Poobah or something, to whom
all the women would have to submit, and the guys would do the work and
bring in money. No xenus or anything like that, it was just some
feel-good kind of thing (mostly for him) and a way to fund whatever
other interests he might have (along with the women aspect). As far
as I know he never moved forward with it but he was more than
half-serious about it. He was quite successful in the women aspect
even without the religion due to his rather winning personality, so
that motivation factor kinda faded away.

--FT

M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
May 8, 2017 at 7:17 AM
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <

Would you believe a bar bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?

Hubbard founded Scientology, and Heinlein wrote "Stranger In A Strange
Land," so who did the better job is up for debate... :D

-MMM-
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archer75--- via Mercedes
May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM
What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this "religion"
or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many people?
Gerry
~~~
Dan Penoff wrote:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologys-uniformed-sea-org-staff-clearly-absent-from-downtown/2322777

On May 7, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
If the downtown merchants get mad enough to put Lisa McPherson posters in the
windows, it could go on forever...should I print some up and mail them to them?
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
Mitch.

On May 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:

Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business in the
downtown area, so the word is. This means that all the shops and restaurants
in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church members are now hurting.

I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.

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May 7, 2017 at 8:51 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologys-uniformed-sea-org-staff-clearly-absent-from-downtown/2322777

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If the downtown merchants get mad enough to put Lisa McPherson posters

Re: [MBZ] Dang!

2017-05-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Yeah that was some pretty funny stuff.  Didn't Elron's wife or 
girlfriend kill him out in the desert and they never found his body?


I have this friend (or used to, haven't seen him in ages) who knew both 
of those characters somewhat peripherally based on some interesting 
background.  He was good friends with Jerry Pournelle and I guess all 
these guys used to hang around together at various times.  They were all 
pretty weird but quite smart too.  I met one of them once, a somewhat 
marginal SF writer, I forget which one, at one of his weddings.  I 
remember talking to my friend about this scientologist thing way back 
when, he thought it was the funniest damn thing he ever saw -- some hack 
by Elron got turned into something for reals and those idiots started 
making big money off it.  Wonders never cease.


I had this other friend, another MIT guy, who had a very serious plan to 
create a "religion" and start it up.  He had most of the details worked 
out to be internally consistent, but of course the whole thing was 
complete BS nonsense which was part of the fun for him.  I think at the 
time his main interests in doing it were to 1) just do it, 2) see if he 
could get people to actually get involved with it, and 3) women.  It of 
course had him as the Grand Poobah or something, to whom all the women 
would have to submit, and the guys would do the work and bring in 
money.  No xenus or anything like that, it was just some feel-good kind 
of thing (mostly for him) and a way to fund whatever other interests he 
might have (along with the women aspect).  As far as I know he never 
moved forward with it but he was more than half-serious about it.  He 
was quite successful in the women aspect even without the religion due 
to his rather winning personality, so that motivation factor kinda faded 
away.


--FT


On 5/8/17 8:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this
"religion" or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many
people?


Would you believe a bar bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?

Hubbard founded Scientology, and Heinlein wrote "Stranger In A Strange
Land,"  so who did the better job is up for debate...  :D

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2017-05-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:14 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this
> "religion" or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many
> people?
>

Would you believe a bar bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?

Hubbard founded Scientology, and Heinlein wrote "Stranger In A Strange
Land,"  so who did the better job is up for debate...  :D

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2017-05-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

What was the motive of the science fiction writer who created this "religion" 
or whatever it is; and why did it become so popular with so many people?
Gerry
~~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologys-uniformed-sea-org-staff-clearly-absent-from-downtown/2322777

> > On May 7, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> > the windows, it could go on forever...should I print some up and mail them 
> > to them?
> > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
> > Mitch. 
> > 
> > 
> >> On May 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business in 
> >> the downtown area, so the word is.  This means that all the shops and 
> >> restaurants in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church members 
> >> are now hurting.
> >> 
> >> I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologys-uniformed-sea-org-staff-clearly-absent-from-downtown/2322777


> On May 7, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If the downtown merchants get mad enough to put Lisa McPherson posters in the 
> windows, it could go on forever...should I print some up and mail them to 
> them?
> 
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
> Mitch. 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business in 
>> the downtown area, so the word is.  This means that all the shops and 
>> restaurants in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church members are 
>> now hurting.
>> 
>> I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.
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If the downtown merchants get mad enough to put Lisa McPherson posters in the 
windows, it could go on forever...should I print some up and mail them to them?

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
Mitch. 


> On May 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>  
> Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business in 
> the downtown area, so the word is.  This means that all the shops and 
> restaurants in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church members are 
> now hurting.
> 
> I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.

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2017-05-07 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

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On May 7, 2017 12:10:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>The Tampa Tribune is defunct.  The only remaining daily in the area is
>the St. Pete Times, and it’s not doing all that great as far as print
>media.  They do well with their constant attention to the
>Scientologists in Clearwater, however.
>
>Big dustup with Miscavich and friends recently:
>
>The Xenu folks have been slowly taking over Clearwater’s downtown area.
>They claim to be totally transparent in their dealings, but they’re
>not.  They just bought up a bunch of commercial properties using shell
>corporations over the last year and got busted doing so (by the Times,
>I might add.)
>
>So the aquarium owns this prime piece of real estate right next to
>their beloved hotel where they board the Sea Org people and others.
>It’s worth about $4M in the current market.  The aquarium offers to
>sell it to the City of Clearwater a while back so they can do some
>things with it, as the aquarium needs bigger digs since they’ve cashed
>in big time with their crippled dolphin thing.
>
>Scientology moves in and wants to buy it.  The aquarium says no, they
>want the City to have first dibs.  Miscavich and friends go to work…
>
>They pitch all of the City council members individually in his office
>about the way they’ll resurrect the downtown area if they can buy this
>land. Yeah, right.  We’ve heard that before, haven’t we?
>
>Then they go to the press about how they’re willing to offer the
>aquarium $15M for the property and if they don’t accept the offer the
>City and aquarium are screwing the taxpayers for not taking this
>massive windfall.
>
>No dice.
>
>So a week or two ago the City votes to purchase the property and the
>aquarium accepts their $4M offer.  Miscavich and friends are LIVID.
>
>So the Thetan/Xenu attorneys all pile on and go to the State claiming
>all sorts of terrible wrongdoings on the part of the aquarium, and how
>they should be sanctioned for misusing taxpayer dollars, their director
>is a crook for being grossly overpaid, yada, yada, yada.
>
>Crickets.
>
>The aquarium does a very nice rebuttal in a very pleasant and positive
>manner in the Times the next day.  Game over, David M.
>
>So what’s happening now?
>
>When you’re in the area around the hotel and other Scientology venues
>in downtown Clearwater, you see literally hundreds of their members
>walking around in their getup, black pants, white shirt, gray vest. 
>These are Sea Org recruits stationed at the Fort Harrison (the hotel
>they own and is their headquarters.)  These people have virtually
>vanished from the streets.
>
>Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business
>in the downtown area, so the word is.  This means that all the shops
>and restaurants in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church
>members are now hurting.
>
>I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.
>
>-D
>
>
>
>> On May 7, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
>> 
>> OK,  if not the Star then the Tampa Daily News.
>
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2017-05-07 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

-D wrote:
> ...Just got a response from a CL ad for one in Walla Walla WA.

And to think... 40-years ago I was offered a job at Westinghouse Tri-Cities.
I would even glow in the dark today, perhaps.
tin.man

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David Miscarriage: Making Tom Cruise look tall since the 1980s!

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TomCruise/cruise-handshake.jpg
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/


> On May 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Big dustup with Miscavich and friends recently

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Beats me.  I don’t ever recall anyone living in that part of the world other 
than Clay, and he’s way, way west of there.

-D


> On May 7, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Walla Walla?
> Is that like 100-200 miles south of Jim Cathey?
> 
>> On May 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> And for the life of me I don’t understand why these cars are all showing up 
>> in rural places. Just got a response from a CL ad for one in Walla Walla WA.
>> 
>> I know there’s no MB people anywhere close to there.
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Walla Walla?
Is that like 100-200 miles south of Jim Cathey?

> On May 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> And for the life of me I don’t understand why these cars are all showing up 
> in rural places. Just got a response from a CL ad for one in Walla Walla WA.
> 
> I know there’s no MB people anywhere close to there.

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And for the life of me I don’t understand why these cars are all showing up in 
rural places. Just got a response from a CL ad for one in Walla Walla WA.

I know there’s no MB people anywhere close to there.

-D

> On May 7, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sweet Jesus I could not imagine flying a 182 all the way up to Alaska and 
> back.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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2017-05-07 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Sweet Jesus I could not imagine flying a 182 all the way up to Alaska and back.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> Not all that unlikely. A friend and his wife flew their 182 from Tallahassee 
> to Alaska and back. Don could fly Dan up there in a few days time if he 
> kicked on his afterburner.
> ~~~
>> You need to get OKDon to fly you up there
>> 
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The Tampa Tribune is defunct.  The only remaining daily in the area is the St. 
Pete Times, and it’s not doing all that great as far as print media.  They do 
well with their constant attention to the Scientologists in Clearwater, however.

Big dustup with Miscavich and friends recently:

The Xenu folks have been slowly taking over Clearwater’s downtown area.  They 
claim to be totally transparent in their dealings, but they’re not.  They just 
bought up a bunch of commercial properties using shell corporations over the 
last year and got busted doing so (by the Times, I might add.)

So the aquarium owns this prime piece of real estate right next to their 
beloved hotel where they board the Sea Org people and others. It’s worth about 
$4M in the current market.  The aquarium offers to sell it to the City of 
Clearwater a while back so they can do some things with it, as the aquarium 
needs bigger digs since they’ve cashed in big time with their crippled dolphin 
thing.

Scientology moves in and wants to buy it.  The aquarium says no, they want the 
City to have first dibs.  Miscavich and friends go to work…

They pitch all of the City council members individually in his office about the 
way they’ll resurrect the downtown area if they can buy this land. Yeah, right. 
 We’ve heard that before, haven’t we?

Then they go to the press about how they’re willing to offer the aquarium $15M 
for the property and if they don’t accept the offer the City and aquarium are 
screwing the taxpayers for not taking this massive windfall.

No dice.

So a week or two ago the City votes to purchase the property and the aquarium 
accepts their $4M offer.  Miscavich and friends are LIVID.

So the Thetan/Xenu attorneys all pile on and go to the State claiming all sorts 
of terrible wrongdoings on the part of the aquarium, and how they should be 
sanctioned for misusing taxpayer dollars, their director is a crook for being 
grossly overpaid, yada, yada, yada.

Crickets.

The aquarium does a very nice rebuttal in a very pleasant and positive manner 
in the Times the next day.  Game over, David M.

So what’s happening now?

When you’re in the area around the hotel and other Scientology venues in 
downtown Clearwater, you see literally hundreds of their members walking around 
in their getup, black pants, white shirt, gray vest.  These are Sea Org 
recruits stationed at the Fort Harrison (the hotel they own and is their 
headquarters.)  These people have virtually vanished from the streets.

Miscavich has ordered his followers to no longer patronize any business in the 
downtown area, so the word is.  This means that all the shops and restaurants 
in downtown Clearwater that were serving the church members are now hurting.

I’m not sure how long this will go on, but it will probably be a while.

-D

> On May 7, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> OK,  if not the Star then the Tampa Daily News.

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2017-05-07 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Not all that unlikely. A friend and his wife flew their 182 from Tallahassee to 
Alaska and back. Don could fly Dan up there in a few days time if he kicked on 
his afterburner.
~~~
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2017-05-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


But you did not have nearly the fun

--FT


On 5/7/17 11:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

In his Cessna?  Heck, we could probably drive just as fast…

Like the old duffer that was the resident wrench turner at the FBO my Dad used 
for years.  He had a Luscombe he would fly to Florida every year for the 
winter.  I could drive and beat him there.

-D



On May 7, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
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You need to get OKDon to fly you up there

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2017-05-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

OK,  if not the Star then the Tampa Daily News.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In his Cessna?  Heck, we could probably drive just as fast…
>
> Like the old duffer that was the resident wrench turner at the FBO my Dad
> used for years.  He had a Luscombe he would fly to Florida every year for
> the winter.  I could drive and beat him there.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 7, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You need to get OKDon to fly you up there
> >
> > --FT
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In his Cessna?  Heck, we could probably drive just as fast…

Like the old duffer that was the resident wrench turner at the FBO my Dad used 
for years.  He had a Luscombe he would fly to Florida every year for the 
winter.  I could drive and beat him there.

-D

> On May 7, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> You need to get OKDon to fly you up there
> 
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2017-05-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Just make sure your crossing does not coincide with prayer time so you 
don't arouse any of those suspicions


--FT


On 5/7/17 11:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Considering my history with the MBCA I would be lucky to get the time of day 
from them….

The deal with importing the car into the States is:

2.5% Customs duty

You can apply your $400 exemption to the purchase price, the next $1,000 is 
dutied at 10%, then the 2.5% kicks in on the balance.

If it was a $5000 car, that would work out to:

$5000 - $400 = $4600

$100 = 10% duty on first $1000

$3600 x .025 = $90

So roughly $190.00 to bring the car in.  I’m sure there are other fees that 
have to be paid, but from what I’ve read so far it’s pretty insignificant.  You 
are supposed to schedule your crossing as well so the proper paperwork can be 
completed at that time.

-D



On May 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Fly out, drive back and document every step of the way in an article for
The Star magazine.  They will pay you enough $$s to cover your costs.
Well, maybe not ALL your costs. but at least you'll get a lot of free PR.



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2017-05-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


You need to get OKDon to fly you up there

--FT

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Considering my history with the MBCA I would be lucky to get the time of day 
from them….

The deal with importing the car into the States is:

2.5% Customs duty

You can apply your $400 exemption to the purchase price, the next $1,000 is 
dutied at 10%, then the 2.5% kicks in on the balance.

If it was a $5000 car, that would work out to:

$5000 - $400 = $4600

$100 = 10% duty on first $1000

$3600 x .025 = $90

So roughly $190.00 to bring the car in.  I’m sure there are other fees that 
have to be paid, but from what I’ve read so far it’s pretty insignificant.  You 
are supposed to schedule your crossing as well so the proper paperwork can be 
completed at that time.

-D

> On May 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Fly out, drive back and document every step of the way in an article for
> The Star magazine.  They will pay you enough $$s to cover your costs.
> Well, maybe not ALL your costs. but at least you'll get a lot of free PR.
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2017-05-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Fly out, drive back and document every step of the way in an article for
The Star magazine.  They will pay you enough $$s to cover your costs.
Well, maybe not ALL your costs. but at least you'll get a lot of free PR.

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> Used cars are cheaper in Canada, and you can find plenty of late model Big
> 3 cars on dealer lots with Canadian history, my next door neighbor's 2008
> Escape was one of them. So it can be done, and economically, but I don't
> know how myself.
>
> Mitch.
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> > On May 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> >
> > As I understand it there are Customs brokers who specialize in this sort
> of thing. I've got a former neighbor who is a retired Customs broker, I
> could probably ask him if I was so inclined to pursue something north of
> the border. I don't think it's a big deal for a car this old.
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> > > It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated.
> > > Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
> > > Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car.
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Used cars are cheaper in Canada, and you can find plenty of late model Big 3 
cars on dealer lots with Canadian history, my next door neighbor's 2008 Escape 
was one of them. So it can be done, and economically, but I don't know how 
myself. 

Mitch. 

> On May 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
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> As I understand it there are Customs brokers who specialize in this sort of 
> thing. I've got a former neighbor who is a retired Customs broker, I could 
> probably ask him if I was so inclined to pursue something north of the 
> border. I don't think it's a big deal for a car this old.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On May 7, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> > My aunt bought a Caddy from a friend in Canada a few years back. 
> > It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated. 
> > Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
> > Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car. And I 
> > can't remember, but the car might have been titled to the friend's dead 
> > mother and that might have been most of the trouble.
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2017-05-07 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

As I understand it there are Customs brokers who specialize in this sort of 
thing. I've got a former neighbor who is a retired Customs broker, I could 
probably ask him if I was so inclined to pursue something north of the border. 
I don't think it's a big deal for a car this old.

-D

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> It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated. 
> Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
> Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car. And I 
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2017-05-07 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes

I do not think there would be much trouble taking it south. Bringing them north 
is just a matter of faxing the documents to the crossing point ahead of time.


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HIRE  a BCian to drive it across the border on "holiday" who just 
happens to abandon it at SeaTac where you are standing.

Canadians can drive into  the US with no hassle.

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> May 7, 2017 at 6:57 AM
> My aunt bought a Caddy from a friend in Canada a few years back.
> It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated.
> Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
> Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car. 
> And I can't remember, but the car might have been titled to the 
> friend's dead mother and that might have been most of the trouble.
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> Nice.
>
> I've spent plenty of time in BC, but not that far north. My travels 
> extend to Whistler, the ski resort, Vancouver, Revelstoke, and 
> Kamloops and and that's about it. I've been up to and slightly further 
> north of Edmonton, AB, however. Guess I would just have to keep going 
> west
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> Not to mention the hassle of getting the car across the border.
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> Nice!   That would be a great trip.   Use your Vacation and go.   (if 
> the car is worth it)  BC is great!  Be sure to make time to go to the 
> farmers market on Granville Island. (Vancouver)  Way better than that 
> crummy little pike st Place market in yuppieville, WA
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2017-05-07 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes

I think I have told this story before. A friend bought a 240D in Vancouver BC 
and drove it back to Winnipeg  a few years ago. He had trouble starting it in 
the mornings and replaced 2 or 3 glow plugs during the trip. On the last stop 
overnight he just left it there idling in the Holiday Inn parking lot all night.


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You can make it a trip of a lifetime.  You can drive all the way across 
Canada to toronto or Ottawa and then head south.  Or you could go south 
earlier and hit Jellystone park.  What an Opportunity!

> Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> May 6, 2017 at 7:29 PM
> 3500+ miles one way from my house. A *bit* farther than I want to go. 
> The transportation expense would reduce the purchase budget significantly.
>
> Maybe southern BC, but this place is almost as far north as the 
> southern tip of Alaska.
>
> -D
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2017-05-07 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

HIRE  a BCian to drive it across the border on "holiday" who just 
happens to abandon it at SeaTac where you are standing.


Canadians can drive into  the US with no hassle.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
May 7, 2017 at 6:57 AM
My aunt bought a Caddy from a friend in Canada a few years back.
It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated.
Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car. 
And I can't remember, but the car might have been titled to the 
friend's dead mother and that might have been most of the trouble.

Mitch.

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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 7, 2017 at 5:23 AM
Nice.

I've spent plenty of time in BC, but not that far north. My travels 
extend to Whistler, the ski resort, Vancouver, Revelstoke, and 
Kamloops and and that's about it. I've been up to and slightly further 
north of Edmonton, AB, however. Guess I would just have to keep going 
west


Not to mention the hassle of getting the car across the border.

-D




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See pictures attached.


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See

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May 6, 2017 at 9:02 PM
Nice!   That would be a great trip.   Use your Vacation and go.   (if 
the car is worth it)  BC is great!  Be sure to make time to go to the 
farmers market on Granville Island. (Vancouver)  Way better than that 
crummy little pike st Place market in yuppieville, WA






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My aunt bought a Caddy from a friend in Canada a few years back. 
It was far more hassle and time (months) than she anticipated. 
Might be easier if the car's over 25 years old.
Probably easier if you know what you're doing before you buy the car. And I 
can't remember, but the car might have been titled to the friend's dead mother 
and that might have been most of the trouble.
Mitch.

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Nice.

I’ve spent plenty of time in BC, but not that far north.  My travels extend to 
Whistler, the ski resort, Vancouver, Revelstoke, and Kamloops and and that’s 
about it.  I’ve been up to and slightly further north of Edmonton, AB, however. 
 Guess I would just have to keep going west….

Not to mention the hassle of getting the car across the border.

-D

> On May 6, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
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> On Sat, 6 May 2017 20:26:50 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
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 Smithers, BC
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You can make it a trip of a lifetime.  You can drive all the way across 
Canada to toronto or Ottawa and then head south.  Or you could go south 
earlier and hit Jellystone park.  What an Opportunity!



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 7:29 PM
3500+ miles one way from my house. A *bit* farther than I want to go. 
The transportation expense would reduce the purchase budget significantly.


Maybe southern BC, but this place is almost as far north as the 
southern tip of Alaska.


-D




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On Sat, 06 May 2017 21:02:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> Nice!   That would be a great trip.   Use your Vacation and go.   (if 
> the car is worth it)  BC is great!  Be sure to make time to go to the 
> farmers market on Granville Island. (Vancouver)  Way better than that 
> crummy little pike st Place market in yuppieville, WA
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Smithers, BC

See

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Oh!  I stand corrected!  That is good news!

3 Main or 5 main?


Dan--- via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 8:33 PM
Yes. Goodness knows how it ended up there...

-D


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naaa he wants a vergasser


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Is it a 110 diesel finny?
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Nice!   That would be a great trip.   Use your Vacation and go.   (if 
the car is worth it)  BC is great!  Be sure to make time to go to the 
farmers market on Granville Island. (Vancouver)  Way better than that 
crummy little pike st Place market in yuppieville, WA


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Smithers, BC



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Yes. Goodness knows how it ended up there...

-D

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2017-05-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

3500+ miles one way from my house. A *bit* farther than I want to go. The 
transportation expense would reduce the purchase budget significantly.

Maybe southern BC, but this place is almost as far north as the southern tip of 
Alaska.

-D

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> car down and loaded in the back and drove it down across the border. 
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A friend of mine who used to be into rolls royces bought one from Canada. He 
flew up, rented a uhaul truck, drilled holes on the floor in order to tie the 
car down and loaded in the back and drove it down across the border. 

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Yep. I owned a half dozen during the '50s and '60s, but when wife got T-boned 
and nearly broke her neck, I bought our first Mercedes, a 110.

The Prius, with about 2 million sold to date and half of those sold in the 
U.S., is a fine little around-town car, but it will never be as popular as the 
Beetle.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"With 21,529,464 produced, the Beetle is the longest-running and 
most-manufactured car of a single platform ever made.

"The Volkswagen Beetle - officially the Volkswagen Type 1, informally in 
Germany the Volkswagen Käfer(Germ. beetle), in Poland the Volkswagen Garbus 
(Pol. hunchback) and in the U.S. the Volkswagen Bug - is a two-door, four 
passenger, rear-engine economy car manufactured and marketed by German 
automaker Volkswagen (VW) from 1938 until 2003.
The need for this kind of car, and its functional objectives, was formulated by 
the leader of Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, who wanted a cheap, simple car to be 
mass-produced for his country's new road network. Hitler contracted Ferdinand 
Porsche in 1934 to design and build it. Porsche and his team took until 1938 to 
finalise the design...snip"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle

> VW Bug is still sold in this country, and I see them everywhere. Hell, I
> own one.
> EdB
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > You do have to consider that the VW bug was sold in this country for almost
> > 40 years with very minor changes. A cheby sedan changed considerably in
> > that time frame.
> >
> >
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2017-02-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The front wheel drive abomination is NOT a VW bug - it's a poor imitation
of one. It might be a fine automobile, but it's not a bug.   :-)

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
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> VW Bug is still sold in this country, and I see them everywhere. Hell, I
> own one.
>
> EdB
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-18 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

VW Bug is still sold in this country, and I see them everywhere. Hell, I
own one.

EdB

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You do have to consider that the VW bug was sold in this country for almost
> 40 years with very minor changes. A cheby sedan changed considerably in
> that time frame.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

You do have to consider that the VW bug was sold in this country for almost
40 years with very minor changes. A cheby sedan changed considerably in
that time frame.

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > > ~
> I think I've finally got it figured out. We know that the Japanese are
> quite different than us; a culture that reads and writes backwards should
> tell us something you know; so when they try to do Western industrial
> things like build cars, they often come out with bizarre products.
> The Prius isn't really a car anymore than the original Beetle was really a
> car.
> The Prius is just a computerized Japanese version of the old Beetle; a
> Beetle on steroids, if you will. It's quick-steer, bounces around, and has
> a funny sounding horn; just like the old Beetle.
> The Prius will gradually fade away just like the old original Beetle faded
> away, but while it's mildly popular with penny-pinchers, money-grubbers,
> skinflints, earth warmers, and other strange people who care little about
> safety; the Japanese will keep making it and selling it.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-18 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Curley McLain wrote:
> One reason might be that it was revealed several years ago that consumer 
> reports was lying to us year after year about how wunnerful toadas were.
> Or maybe the runaway toadas that killed people.
> Or maybe the toadas that burned the occupants beyond recognition in a 
> small accident.
> 
> > http://www.dw.com/en/vw-dethrones-toyota-as-worlds-best-selling-carmaker/a-37324993
> > Gerry asks: Why?
> > ~
I think I've finally got it figured out. We know that the Japanese are quite 
different than us; a culture that reads and writes backwards should tell us 
something you know; so when they try to do Western industrial things like build 
cars, they often come out with bizarre products.
The Prius isn't really a car anymore than the original Beetle was really a car.
The Prius is just a computerized Japanese version of the old Beetle; a Beetle 
on steroids, if you will. It's quick-steer, bounces around, and has a funny 
sounding horn; just like the old Beetle.
The Prius will gradually fade away just like the old original Beetle faded 
away, but while it's mildly popular with penny-pinchers, money-grubbers, 
skinflints, earth warmers, and other strange people who care little about 
safety; the Japanese will keep making it and selling it.

As is usual with my luck, two weeks after I bought a Prius because the price of 
diesel was heading for $5.00 per gallon, the bottom dropped out of crude prices 
and I was stuck with a tinny Japanese toy which was nevertheless reliable and 
economical.
The result has been that I only drive the Prius around this small county at 
night after they roll up the sidewalks, and drive one of the Mercedes during 
the day when the locals and wild retirees try to destroy each other with their 
pickup trucks and ancient Detroit iron. In those melees a little whatever-it-is 
like the Prius can get caught in the crossfire. Several squished up Smarts have 
been buried with the owner inside. One stingy Smart owner died with a smile on 
his face because he was saving the cost of a casket. 

It's a well accepted fact that the world periodically goes crazy. The Prius, 
the Smart, and a president who greets nubile young women by grabbing them in 
their nether regions, may be symptoms of it.

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

One reason might be that it was revealed several years ago that consumer 
reports was lying to us year after year about how wunnerful toadas were.

Or maybe the runaway toadas that killed people.
Or maybe the toadas that burned the occupants beyond recognition in a 
small accident.




archer75--- via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 7:55 PM
http://www.dw.com/en/vw-dethrones-toyota-as-worlds-best-selling-carmaker/a-37324993

Gerry asks: Why?
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes


http://www.dw.com/en/vw-dethrones-toyota-as-worlds-best-selling-carmaker/a-37324993

Gerry asks: Why?
~

> How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
> A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. The 
> mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should replace the belt. 
> My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
> When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the Golf. 
> Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers on eBay 
> selling crap belts...
> -Curt
   
> Case in point. Back in 2014 I bought a 1999 Volkswagen Beetle Turbo. August
> of 2015 the timing belt broke on the *very* interference engine. Destroyed
> the head something fierce. Reputable mechanic wanted a couple arms and a
> leg just to look at it. Brother "knows a guy" that works almost exclusively
> on the Audi turbos. Quotes me a price sight unseen, I agree, he has car
> towed to shop.
> *Today* I have just returned from lunch in my Beetle. New head and timing
> belt in place. Supposedly new turbo in place as well. Along with a
> replacement for a rusted steel intercooler hose. Already in need of a coil
> pack, running a little rough. Needs brakes. Parked it in a spot at work,
> got out .
> "I still love the look of this car."
> EdB
> P.S. Anyone knows anyone that wants a Turbo Beetle, I'll probably have one
> for sale very soon.

> > Great story.
> > The point below applies to a lot of things.
> > --R

> > Ed Booher wrote:
> >> But you don't stop loving a car just because it is trouble.

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

The DeLorean? Runs a PRV-6 The PRV stands for Peugeot, Renault, Volvo. This
engine is in cars all over the place, so parts are still readily available
for it.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It used a pretty decent Buick engine, didn't it?
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like I said earlier, quality control for those cars was horrible. To
> daily
> > drive one you *must* properly sort it. Which means taking it to DMC and
> > give them a dump truck full of money. As a grand tourer, once sorted,
> they
> > are actually wonderful cars. Been part of DeLorean groups for a while, so
> > know some people that for them it is their only car. Getting to that
> point
> > took a lot of time and effort though.
> >
> > EdB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

It used a pretty decent Buick engine, didn't it?

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Like I said earlier, quality control for those cars was horrible. To daily
> drive one you *must* properly sort it. Which means taking it to DMC and
> give them a dump truck full of money. As a grand tourer, once sorted, they
> are actually wonderful cars. Been part of DeLorean groups for a while, so
> know some people that for them it is their only car. Getting to that point
> took a lot of time and effort though.
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Like I said earlier, quality control for those cars was horrible. To daily
drive one you *must* properly sort it. Which means taking it to DMC and
give them a dump truck full of money. As a grand tourer, once sorted, they
are actually wonderful cars. Been part of DeLorean groups for a while, so
know some people that for them it is their only car. Getting to that point
took a lot of time and effort though.

EdB

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The engine, though too small, is not the problem. It's like they took all
> the worst Lucas electrical parts they could find to wire the car.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I got a 350 in the garage I could shove in it and cure all issues.  Max
> > has a dizzel we could transplant.
> >
> > --R
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The engine, though too small, is not the problem. It's like they took all
the worst Lucas electrical parts they could find to wire the car.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got a 350 in the garage I could shove in it and cure all issues.  Max
> has a dizzel we could transplant.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/17/17 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years
>> I've
>> known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign the
>>> receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
>>> Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the acrylic
>>> on
>>> the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it out
>>> from
>>> underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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The only reason he bought it was to sell it for big bucks? Sounds like he
needs to roll a Mercedes.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:33 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> OK - but he's going to want big bucks for it, I'm sure. That's' the only
> reason he bought it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If he has any interest in selling it, let me know. Though right now I
> > probably couldn't come up with the liquid funds to afford it :)
> >
> > EdB
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years
> > I've
> > > known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign
> > the
> > > > receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
> > > > Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the
> > acrylic
> > > on
> > > > the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it
> out
> > > from
> > > > underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > OK Don
> > >
> > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> > of
> > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> > >
> > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> > who
> > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence
> > > for themselves."
> > >
> > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

The 8v was a Rabbit / Golf engine. In fact, the entire car was basically a
sport Rabbit. Same chassis, same subframe. Slightly longer overall but same
basic car. The 16V engine, though, nearly doubled the horsepower from the
early 8V engines, and was half again the later 8V engines. So, was a
competitor to the GTi really.

EdB

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> Interesting, a friend in college had an 8v Scirocco that she loved.
> Considered it really cheap transportation. First car I ever drove that had
> over 150,000 miles.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:10 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...
>
> I say this not just from the Beetle, but I also owned a 1986 Scirocco 16V.
> That thing literally ate money. Couldn't feed it enough, and just as I got
> it *properly* sorted, accident and totaled. *sigh*
>
> EdB
>
>
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2017-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

OK - but he's going to want big bucks for it, I'm sure. That's' the only
reason he bought it.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If he has any interest in selling it, let me know. Though right now I
> probably couldn't come up with the liquid funds to afford it :)
>
> EdB
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years
> I've
> > known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign
> the
> > > receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
> > > Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the
> acrylic
> > on
> > > the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it out
> > from
> > > underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

If he has any interest in selling it, let me know. Though right now I
probably couldn't come up with the liquid funds to afford it :)

EdB

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years I've
> known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign the
> > receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
> > Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the acrylic
> on
> > the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it out
> from
> > underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I got a 350 in the garage I could shove in it and cure all issues.  Max 
has a dizzel we could transplant.


--R


On 2/17/17 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years I've
known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign the
receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the acrylic on
the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it out from
underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).







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2017-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

A neighbor has a DeLorean - it's been sitting there for the five years I've
known him. He says that it's too troublesome to be a daily driver.

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> Almost bought a DeLorean once. Had it on the hook, was ready to sign the
> receipt, and walked away. Hate that some days. Also had a beautiful
> Bricklin, less than 50K original, only small usual cracks in the acrylic on
> the hook. And the dealership that had taken it in on trade sold it out from
> underneath me (they had it listed on eBay).
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Interesting, a friend in college had an 8v Scirocco that she loved. Considered 
it really cheap transportation. First car I ever drove that had over 150,000 
miles.
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:10 PM
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I say this not just from the Beetle, but I also owned a 1986 Scirocco 16V.
That thing literally ate money. Couldn't feed it enough, and just as I got
it *properly* sorted, accident and totaled. *sigh*

EdB

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, the Germans seem to have some the closest mechanical tolerances in
> the world. One single little thing not quite right and the entire thing
> breaks down.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> When I was considering a Jetta or Passat for one of the boys I heard a
>> lot of horror stories about timing belts on the little four they used. Same
>> thing about oil, you had to use a certain type/weight or the engine would
>> be guaranteed to grenade around a certain mileage.
>>
>> -D
>>
>
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2017-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Neither of which is a big deal, just follow the recommendations...I've had my 
Jetta over 3 years with no issues that wouldn't be common to any old, rusty car.
-Curt

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When I was considering a Jetta or Passat for one of the boys I heard a lot of 
horror stories about timing belts on the little four they used. Same thing 
about oil, you had to use a certain type/weight or the engine would be 
guaranteed to grenade around a certain mileage.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> +1  On my wabbit and quantum, both got new Conti belts right away, and there 
> after every 60k miles as PM.
> On the Escort, It got new timing belts as per the book.  I think that was 90k 
> miles.  (2 on it.  1 for the cam and one for the IP)  Ford parts for it.
> 
> I LOVE timing chains, Especially MB dual roller chains.  I wanted to turn the 
> first one I changed into a belt.  Never did it.  ( I was 20)
> 
> I got the wabbit because the PO trashed the head, let the timing belt break.  
> It got a new Brazil head.
> 
> That is one PM interval i recommend NOT stretching.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> February 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM
>> How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
>> A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. The 
>> mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should replace the 
>> belt. My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
>> When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the Golf. 
>> Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers on eBay 
>> selling crap belts...
>> -Curt
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I say this not just from the Beetle, but I also owned a 1986 Scirocco 16V.
That thing literally ate money. Couldn't feed it enough, and just as I got
it *properly* sorted, accident and totaled. *sigh*

EdB

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Ed Booher  wrote:

> Yeah, the Germans seem to have some the closest mechanical tolerances in
> the world. One single little thing not quite right and the entire thing
> breaks down.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> When I was considering a Jetta or Passat for one of the boys I heard a
>> lot of horror stories about timing belts on the little four they used. Same
>> thing about oil, you had to use a certain type/weight or the engine would
>> be guaranteed to grenade around a certain mileage.
>>
>> -D
>>
>
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Yeah, the Germans seem to have some the closest mechanical tolerances in
the world. One single little thing not quite right and the entire thing
breaks down.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> When I was considering a Jetta or Passat for one of the boys I heard a lot
> of horror stories about timing belts on the little four they used. Same
> thing about oil, you had to use a certain type/weight or the engine would
> be guaranteed to grenade around a certain mileage.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1   On my wabbit and quantum, both got new Conti belts right away, and
> there after every 60k miles as PM.
> > On the Escort, It got new timing belts as per the book.  I think that
> was 90k miles.  (2 on it.  1 for the cam and one for the IP)  Ford parts
> for it.
> >
> > I LOVE timing chains, Especially MB dual roller chains.  I wanted to
> turn the first one I changed into a belt.  Never did it.  ( I was 20)
> >
> > I got the wabbit because the PO trashed the head, let the timing belt
> break.  It got a new Brazil head.
> >
> > That is one PM interval i recommend NOT stretching.
> >
> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >> February 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM
> >> How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
> >> A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. The
> mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should replace the
> belt. My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
> >> When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the
> Golf. Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers on
> eBay selling crap belts...
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

When I was considering a Jetta or Passat for one of the boys I heard a lot of 
horror stories about timing belts on the little four they used. Same thing 
about oil, you had to use a certain type/weight or the engine would be 
guaranteed to grenade around a certain mileage.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1   On my wabbit and quantum, both got new Conti belts right away, and there 
> after every 60k miles as PM.
> On the Escort, It got new timing belts as per the book.  I think that was 90k 
> miles.  (2 on it.  1 for the cam and one for the IP)  Ford parts for it.
> 
> I LOVE timing chains, Especially MB dual roller chains.  I wanted to turn the 
> first one I changed into a belt.  Never did it.  ( I was 20)
> 
> I got the wabbit because the PO trashed the head, let the timing belt break.  
> It got a new Brazil head.
> 
> That is one PM interval i recommend NOT stretching.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM
>> How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
>> A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. The 
>> mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should replace the 
>> belt. My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
>> When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the Golf. 
>> Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers on eBay 
>> selling crap belts...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

+1   On my wabbit and quantum, both got new Conti belts right away, and 
there after every 60k miles as PM.
On the Escort, It got new timing belts as per the book.  I think that 
was 90k miles.  (2 on it.  1 for the cam and one for the IP)  Ford parts 
for it.


I LOVE timing chains, Especially MB dual roller chains.  I wanted to 
turn the first one I changed into a belt.  Never did it.  ( I was 20)


I got the wabbit because the PO trashed the head, let the timing belt 
break.  It got a new Brazil head.


That is one PM interval i recommend NOT stretching.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM
How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. 
The mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should 
replace the belt. My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the 
Golf. Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers 
on eBay selling crap belts...

-Curt


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2017-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

How did the timing belt get broke? Was it just deferred maintenance?
A friend had a Jetta with the 1.8T, also had the timing belt break. The 
mechanic had suggested that on a "new to him" car he should replace the belt. 
My friend deferred and I think it lasted 2 weeks...
When I got my Jetta I had the belt replaced immediately, same with the Golf. 
Both got Continental known good belts. Theres lots of scammers on eBay selling 
crap belts...
-Curt

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Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Case in point. Back in 2014 I bought a 1999 Volkswagen Beetle Turbo. August
of 2015 the timing belt broke on the *very* interference engine. Destroyed
the head something fierce. Reputable mechanic wanted a couple arms and a
leg just to look at it. Brother "knows a guy" that works almost exclusively
on the Audi turbos. Quotes me a price sight unseen, I agree, he has car
towed to shop.

*Today* I have just returned from lunch in my Beetle. New head and timing
belt in place. Supposedly new turbo in place as well. Along with a
replacement for a rusted steel intercooler hose. Already in need of a coil
pack, running a little rough. Needs brakes. Parked it in a spot at work,
got out .

"I still love the look of this car."

EdB

P.S. Anyone knows anyone that wants a Turbo Beetle, I'll probably have one
for sale very soon.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Great story.
>
> The point below applies to a lot of things.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/17/17 8:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> But you don't stop loving a car just because it is trouble.
>>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
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Case in point. Back in 2014 I bought a 1999 Volkswagen Beetle Turbo. August
of 2015 the timing belt broke on the *very* interference engine. Destroyed
the head something fierce. Reputable mechanic wanted a couple arms and a
leg just to look at it. Brother "knows a guy" that works almost exclusively
on the Audi turbos. Quotes me a price sight unseen, I agree, he has car
towed to shop.

*Today* I have just returned from lunch in my Beetle. New head and timing
belt in place. Supposedly new turbo in place as well. Along with a
replacement for a rusted steel intercooler hose. Already in need of a coil
pack, running a little rough. Needs brakes. Parked it in a spot at work,
got out .

"I still love the look of this car."

EdB

P.S. Anyone knows anyone that wants a Turbo Beetle, I'll probably have one
for sale very soon.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Great story.
>
> The point below applies to a lot of things.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/17/17 8:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> But you don't stop loving a car just because it is trouble.
>>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


Great story.

The point below applies to a lot of things.

--R


On 2/17/17 8:32 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

But you don't stop loving a car just because it is trouble.


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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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