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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

My 15k was at least half highway driving - that probably contributed to the
good analysis results. Oil analysis is valuable for identifying developing
problems by detecting excessive wear early. You hope not to find anything,
but if you do, you can take steps to repair before you get stranded
somewhere. This is more important with 60+ year old aircraft engines than
it is for MB engines, since you can't pull over and call AAA.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think the synthetic stuff resists coking better if it leaks past the
> turbine seals. I also think it keeps working to higher temps if the engine
> overheats. And after running it for 100k in the 617a, I am convinced the
> timing chains wear less with synthetic. Something about better shear
> properties. Small but significant considerations for higher mile cars.
>
> The oil change cost analysis does not factor in the time needed to assemble
> parts or dispose of the used oil or do the actual swap in the driveway or
> wherever when you should be doing something else. Or the time to clean the
> soot out of your fingernails.
>
> It is definitely interesting to think about changing oil a lot less often.
> 15k seems like a stretch in the city though.
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2018, 12:41 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I had much goodness happen using M1 in the OM615.  Much quieter running,
> > smoother, faster.  Depends on the need, but I needed to run a few gallons
> > and miles before I could tell there was a real change.  I could have
> > swapped back to dino, but all the cars were running M1 by then, so simple
> > enough to keep a goodly stock on hand.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 16, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You will need to use synthetic if you are going to go by the FSS for
> oil
> > changes
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On May 16, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I got a filter yesterday and going to change the oel in this dizzel.
> > I'm guessing cheepcheep Delvac will be fine?  Don't want to go M1 and pay
> > for that.
> > >>
> > >> I also got the Kumhos mounted on it, have not taken it out yet as it
> is
> > running badly now, again, going out to change the fuel filter and see if
> > that helps.  The tires look pretty good, no telling how they will be but
> if
> > they last a while it's all good.
> > >>
> > >> I heard the vac valve or whatever it is on the fender that is
> connected
> > to the EGR making some kind of gurgling noise so wonder if the EGR is not
> > working right now.  I pulled the hose and it hissed so there was vacuum
> in
> > the hoses, I guess those are OK.  I think I'll just do the rewiring
> bypass
> > on the EGR and be done with it but need to get organized to do that.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> --FT
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-22 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

I think the synthetic stuff resists coking better if it leaks past the
turbine seals. I also think it keeps working to higher temps if the engine
overheats. And after running it for 100k in the 617a, I am convinced the
timing chains wear less with synthetic. Something about better shear
properties. Small but significant considerations for higher mile cars.

The oil change cost analysis does not factor in the time needed to assemble
parts or dispose of the used oil or do the actual swap in the driveway or
wherever when you should be doing something else. Or the time to clean the
soot out of your fingernails.

It is definitely interesting to think about changing oil a lot less often.
15k seems like a stretch in the city though.

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 12:41 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had much goodness happen using M1 in the OM615.  Much quieter running,
> smoother, faster.  Depends on the need, but I needed to run a few gallons
> and miles before I could tell there was a real change.  I could have
> swapped back to dino, but all the cars were running M1 by then, so simple
> enough to keep a goodly stock on hand.
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You will need to use synthetic if you are going to go by the FSS for oil
> changes
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 16, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I got a filter yesterday and going to change the oel in this dizzel.
> I'm guessing cheepcheep Delvac will be fine?  Don't want to go M1 and pay
> for that.
> >>
> >> I also got the Kumhos mounted on it, have not taken it out yet as it is
> running badly now, again, going out to change the fuel filter and see if
> that helps.  The tires look pretty good, no telling how they will be but if
> they last a while it's all good.
> >>
> >> I heard the vac valve or whatever it is on the fender that is connected
> to the EGR making some kind of gurgling noise so wonder if the EGR is not
> working right now.  I pulled the hose and it hissed so there was vacuum in
> the hoses, I guess those are OK.  I think I'll just do the rewiring bypass
> on the EGR and be done with it but need to get organized to do that.
> >>
> >> --
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

The W220 had a 10k swap window.  I think that is the extent of synth.  Gump was 
good for 6k.  


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen
 
> On May 16, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So here we go again. My line of thinking has been that if you go synthetic 
> over Dino, can you double the internal? For example earlier engines like 617 
> and 603 have a factory 5k interval. Could you go 10k on those with synthetic? 
> Later engines such as 606 have a 7500 mile interval, so could those go 
> 14-15k? I am thinking so but others have said that is crazy don’t go more 
> than 5k on M1 since it’s a group 3. If you go amsoil or one of those that’s 
> group 4 you can probably go 10-15k on. If I can double the interval it’s with 
> it to me. I don’t really need the cold start benefit. I am not sure if it’s a 
> benefit on a 2-300k mile engine that has ran on Dino it’s whole life. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You're not wasting it on a 60x engine. Oil analysis of the two 601s I had 
>> suggested they could handily go 10,000miles on Mobil 1 between changes.I 
>> mean I guess if you really like changing the oil...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Dan Penoff via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   You’re wasting your money putting 
>> Mobil1 in the diesel.  Delvac or Delo 400 at Dead Sam’s will be more than 
>> adequate and far less expensive.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got a filter yesterday and going to change the oel in this dizzel.  I'm 
>>> guessing cheepcheep Delvac will be fine?  Don't want to go M1 and pay for 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> I also got the Kumhos mounted on it, have not taken it out yet as it is 
>>> running badly now, again, going out to change the fuel filter and see if 
>>> that helps.  The tires look pretty good, no telling how they will be but if 
>>> they last a while it's all good.
>>> 
>>> I heard the vac valve or whatever it is on the fender that is connected to 
>>> the EGR making some kind of gurgling noise so wonder if the EGR is not 
>>> working right now.  I pulled the hose and it hissed so there was vacuum in 
>>> the hoses, I guess those are OK.  I think I'll just do the rewiring bypass 
>>> on the EGR and be done with it but need to get organized to do that.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT


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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

From comparing results from tests between the 2 it looks like Delvac 
1300 is a little better, TBN is a little higher for example but I am not 
sure what the difference in numbers translates to how much better it 
is.  All I know is the HK oil is literally half the price.  They also 
have a synthetic 5w40 for $15.xx per gallon.



On 5/18/2018 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Yep, Warren and Citgo.
Warren is supposed to make the Supertech that's pretty good.
I looked around a bit and it doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with the 
Citgo either.

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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Yep, Warren and Citgo. 
Warren is supposed to make the Supertech that's pretty good.
I looked around a bit and it doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with the 
Citgo either.

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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

interesting. That would probably be something to know.  From what I have 
read some places say they think its made by Warren and others say Citgo.



On 5/18/2018 6:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

I think there's old Harvest King by one manufacturer and new Harvest King by 
somebody else. I forget which one's supposed to be good.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


I think there's old Harvest King by one manufacturer and new Harvest King by 
somebody else. I forget which one's supposed to be good. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] E300td oel and EGR?

2018-05-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

The local farm store had this oil on sale for $10 for 2 gallon jugs. I
bought a couple of cases of it to use in the 92 SD that leaks/burns oil,
but after researching in it, maybe this oil is decent oil which compares
to Delvac 1300 or Delo.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4414794/Harvest_King_All-Fleet_15W-40_

On 5/16/2018 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Good quality diesel oil like Delo 400 LE is cheap. I can do a complete change
with Delo 400 LE on the 95 E300D for under $35 every 5000 miles and not have
concerns. If I used Mobil1 it would be near twice the cost. Since Mobil1 is a
group 3 base stock it’s not that much better than conventional dino juice in my
opinion.

Oh yeah, if I drop another $20 on oil analysis I’ve driven my costs up even
more.

-D

On May 16, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:

So here we go again. My line of thinking has been that if you go synthetic over
Dino, can you double the internal? For example earlier engines like 617 and 603
have a factory 5k interval. Could you go 10k on those with synthetic? Later
engines such as 606 have a 7500 mile interval, so could those go 14-15k? I am
thinking so but others have said that is crazy don’t go more than 5k on M1
since it’s a group 3. If you go amsoil or one of those that’s group 4 you can
probably go 10-15k on. If I can double the interval it’s with it to me. I don’t
really need the cold start benefit. I am not sure if it’s a benefit on a 2-300k
mile engine that has ran on Dino it’s whole life.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote:

You're not wasting it on a 60x engine. Oil analysis of the two 601s I had
suggested they could handily go 10,000miles on Mobil 1 between changes.I mean I
guess if you really like changing the oil...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes> wrote: You’re wasting your money putting Mobil1
in the diesel. Delvac or Delo 400 at Dead Sam’s will be more than adequate and far less
expensive.

-D

On May 16, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

I got a filter yesterday and going to change the oel in this dizzel. I'm
guessing cheepcheep Delvac will be fine? Don't want to go M1 and pay for that.

I also got the Kumhos mounted on it, have not taken it out yet as it is running
badly now, again, going out to change the fuel filter and see if that helps.
The tires look pretty good, no telling how they will be but if they last a
while it's all good.

I heard the vac valve or whatever it is on the fender that is connected to the
EGR making some kind of gurgling noise so wonder if the EGR is not working
right now. I pulled the hose and it hissed so there was vacuum in the hoses, I
guess those are OK. I think I'll just do the rewiring bypass on the EGR and be
done with it but need to get organized to do that.

--
--FT

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