Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There’s a little ring antenna thingie around the keyhole that reads the chip, I 
guess it’s RFID, then the AAM decides its good and allows the car to start. 
This has likely failed on the 05ML500 and won’t read the chip and let the fer 
start. But it doesn’t work with the straight key either so I don’t know. 

--FT
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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip) that 
> the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the engine.   
> (or beg...)
> But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.
> 
> I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so that 
> you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a screwdriver on 
> MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You have to have one key 
> to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys, so I'd guess you have to 
> have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the electronic request system.
>> Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes 
>> 
>> January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
>> Folks
>> 
>> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
>> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
>> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
>> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
>> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
>> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
>> project
>> 
>> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
>> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and 
>> they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for 
>> this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the 
>> service Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote 
>> on that. They lost me at $500 for a key.
>> 
>> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
>> transponder key?
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

LOL.  Sort of cheapens the brand...

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:43 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip)
> that the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the
> engine.   (or beg...)
> But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.
>
> I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so
> that you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a
> screwdriver on MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You
> have to have one key to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys,
> so I'd guess you have to have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the
> electronic request system.
> > Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes
> > 
> > January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
> > Folks
> >
> > I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around
> > and talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and
> > bullshit Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from
> > Kia Country of Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2
> > keys for $50 which was too much, but they fit. These are NOT
> > transponder keys which I does not have. Has anyone tried to program a
> > $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> >
> > Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I
> > thought I’d look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer
> > in Savannah and they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key
> > for  get ready for this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN
> > you have to contract with the service Dept to get that programmed ...
> > I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. They lost me at $500 for
> > a key.
> >
> > Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a
> > sprinter transponder key?
> >
> > Xx rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip) 
that the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the 
engine.   (or beg...)

But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.

I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so 
that you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a 
screwdriver on MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You 
have to have one key to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys, 
so I'd guess you have to have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the 
electronic request system.
Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes 


January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
Folks

I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around 
and talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and 
bullshit Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from 
Kia Country of Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 
keys for $50 which was too much, but they fit. These are NOT 
transponder keys which I does not have. Has anyone tried to program a 
$10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project


Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I 
thought I’d look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer 
in Savannah and they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key 
for  get ready for this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN 
you have to contract with the service Dept to get that programmed ... 
I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. They lost me at $500 for 
a key.


Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a 
sprinter transponder key?


Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 For VWs at least up until my 2015 I send a picture of the existing key plus my 
registration and driver's license to fixmyvw.com who sends me the key and fob. 
My VCDS (programmer cable) can program Angie's 2005 Golf to recognize the fob 
but I needed to borrow a different cable to get the secret code out of the car.
I haven't been able to figure out how to get additional keys for the 2015 Jetta 
yet, gotta call the stealer and see how much they want.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:23:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
Wow. I wonder if you can buy a used MB fob on eBay, and get that programmed and 
fitted with the right physical key (blade). I'll bet the programming can be 
done pretty cheap, bring a box of donuts on a Friday morning and ask real nice.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 14, 2020 4:15:43 PM Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
Mercedes :

> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which was 
> too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not have. 
> Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The R129, W163 and I believe even late W140 key fobs are affected by this issue 
of availability.

The W211 keys are just as bad. I was going to get a spare for the eldest’s E320 
CDI until my friendly dealer parts guy chuckled and told me what my cost was. 
He said my reaction was nothing compared to that of consumers who come in and 
want to buy one over the counter (list price).

Nope.

A 99 ML320 will have a key with a transponder chip in it. It should be a 
“Mickey Mouse" key with a black plastic fob that has “ears” on it - unless it’s 
just the key blade. If that’s the case, the car would crank but not start. The 
straight key blade is only intended to unlock/lock doors.

I have both the “switchblade” fob and a Mickey Mouse key for the wife’s R129. 
The fob will unlock the car at night, but not in the daytime as the IR stuff 
much be so weak it can’t see the signal when there’s ambient light present.

-D


> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This whole key business is complete BS. Apparently R129 keys are just now 
> becoming available in the US in some limited quantities, have been in yurp 
> for a few months. Spendy. I guess the IR lock part needs to be programmed at 
> the stealer. I think 210 and 163 keys are also quite spendy. 
> 
> On the 05 ML500 I had to reprogram the recognition of the key (which has a 
> small chip of some sort in the housing) using the fancy computer to pair it 
> to the car then a sequence of key buttons presses. The car computer only has 
> 8 keys (chips actually I think) it can recognize, I don’t think you can get a 
> duplicate of one you have had but a new key has to be paired against one of 
> the remaining codes the car will recognize. And of course the metal part 
> needs to be cut. The chip and metal key are apparently central to the thing 
> actually starting the vehicle. But the remote aspect does the (un)locking and 
> that is what the car listens for. 
> 
> There are supposed programming things ($$$) on eBay that will (re)program a 
> key but reports suggest its hit or miss. Some locksmiths “might” be able to 
> do it with some fancy box but I don’t know. 
> 
> I’m wondering if the 99 ML320 stuck in limp mode might have had a chipped 
> key. The 05 does but all I have for the 99 is a straight metal key, and I 
> can’t get the fancy computer HHTWIN program to talk to the car though a cheap 
> WiFi OBD reader will see some codes, so I’m not sure what the deal is with 
> it. The computer talks fine to the 99 E320, go figure. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
>> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit  
>> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
>> Savannah  Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
>> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
>> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
>> project
>> 
>> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
>> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and 
>> they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for 
>> this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the 
>> service Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote 
>> on that. They lost me at $500 for a key.
>> 
>> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
>> transponder key?
>> 
>> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

This whole key business is complete BS. Apparently R129 keys are just now 
becoming available in the US in some limited quantities, have been in yurp for 
a few months. Spendy. I guess the IR lock part needs to be programmed at the 
stealer. I think 210 and 163 keys are also quite spendy. 

On the 05 ML500 I had to reprogram the recognition of the key (which has a 
small chip of some sort in the housing) using the fancy computer to pair it to 
the car then a sequence of key buttons presses. The car computer only has 8 
keys (chips actually I think) it can recognize, I don’t think you can get a 
duplicate of one you have had but a new key has to be paired against one of the 
remaining codes the car will recognize. And of course the metal part needs to 
be cut. The chip and metal key are apparently central to the thing actually 
starting the vehicle. But the remote aspect does the (un)locking and that is 
what the car listens for. 

There are supposed programming things ($$$) on eBay that will (re)program a key 
but reports suggest its hit or miss. Some locksmiths “might” be able to do it 
with some fancy box but I don’t know. 

I’m wondering if the 99 ML320 stuck in limp mode might have had a chipped key. 
The 05 does but all I have for the 99 is a straight metal key, and I can’t get 
the fancy computer HHTWIN program to talk to the car though a cheap WiFi OBD 
reader will see some codes, so I’m not sure what the deal is with it. The 
computer talks fine to the 99 E320, go figure. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit  
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah  Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
> project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wow. I wonder if you can buy a used MB fob on eBay, and get that programmed and 
fitted with the right physical key (blade). I'll bet the programming can be 
done pretty cheap, bring a box of donuts on a Friday morning and ask real nice.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 14, 2020 4:15:43 PM Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
Mercedes :

> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which was 
> too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not have. 
> Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Keys

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If somebody has some locks they want to donate I'll match them to your key.. 
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yes, Curt.  Please do.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:01 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curt' want to use my 300CD for a 123 object lesson on wafers?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  123 locks are simplicity itself to work on. The "right" way would be to
> > buy a selection of lock wafers to build the correct lock.The expedient
> way
> > is to use the wafers you have and a small file to make them work. IIRC
> > theres like 8 wafers in there, 123s aren't exactly high profile targets
> for
> > theft, if you had 4 wafers that'd be plenty to dissuade normal thieves.
> > Actually a couple junkyard locks would provide you with plenty of wafers
> > to mix and match.
> >
> > I kind of wish I still had a 123, it'd be fun to make a video.
> > -Curt
> >
> >    On Monday, September 30, 2019, 11:33:04 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  Correct. What about the door lock(s)?
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: September 30, 2019 10:30 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: dhsn...@gmail.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Keys
> >
> > On this new to me 300D, the ignition key does not unlock the trunk.  It
> > has the little tiny key.  I am guessing the ignition key is the valet
> key.
> > So, if I ordered a new key based on the VIN, it should also work on the
> > trunk lock, right?  BUT, if the ignition lock cylinder has been replaced
> > previously then a key that I order by VIN number will not work in the
> > ignition, right?
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes, Curt.  Please do.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:01 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curt' want to use my 300CD for a 123 object lesson on wafers?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  123 locks are simplicity itself to work on. The "right" way would be to
> > buy a selection of lock wafers to build the correct lock.The expedient
> way
> > is to use the wafers you have and a small file to make them work. IIRC
> > theres like 8 wafers in there, 123s aren't exactly high profile targets
> for
> > theft, if you had 4 wafers that'd be plenty to dissuade normal thieves.
> > Actually a couple junkyard locks would provide you with plenty of wafers
> > to mix and match.
> >
> > I kind of wish I still had a 123, it'd be fun to make a video.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Monday, September 30, 2019, 11:33:04 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  Correct. What about the door lock(s)?
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: September 30, 2019 10:30 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: dhsn...@gmail.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Keys
> >
> > On this new to me 300D, the ignition key does not unlock the trunk.  It
> > has the little tiny key.  I am guessing the ignition key is the valet
> key.
> > So, if I ordered a new key based on the VIN, it should also work on the
> > trunk lock, right?  BUT, if the ignition lock cylinder has been replaced
> > previously then a key that I order by VIN number will not work in the
> > ignition, right?
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
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Curt' want to use my 300CD for a 123 object lesson on wafers?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  123 locks are simplicity itself to work on. The "right" way would be to
> buy a selection of lock wafers to build the correct lock.The expedient way
> is to use the wafers you have and a small file to make them work. IIRC
> theres like 8 wafers in there, 123s aren't exactly high profile targets for
> theft, if you had 4 wafers that'd be plenty to dissuade normal thieves.
> Actually a couple junkyard locks would provide you with plenty of wafers
> to mix and match.
>
> I kind of wish I still had a 123, it'd be fun to make a video.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, September 30, 2019, 11:33:04 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Correct. What about the door lock(s)?
>
>
> Rick
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> Subject: [MBZ] Keys
>
> On this new to me 300D, the ignition key does not unlock the trunk.  It
> has the little tiny key.  I am guessing the ignition key is the valet key.
> So, if I ordered a new key based on the VIN, it should also work on the
> trunk lock, right?  BUT, if the ignition lock cylinder has been replaced
> previously then a key that I order by VIN number will not work in the
> ignition, right?
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Keys

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 123 locks are simplicity itself to work on. The "right" way would be to buy a 
selection of lock wafers to build the correct lock.The expedient way is to use 
the wafers you have and a small file to make them work. IIRC theres like 8 
wafers in there, 123s aren't exactly high profile targets for theft, if you had 
4 wafers that'd be plenty to dissuade normal thieves.
Actually a couple junkyard locks would provide you with plenty of wafers to mix 
and match.

I kind of wish I still had a 123, it'd be fun to make a video.
-Curt

On Monday, September 30, 2019, 11:33:04 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Correct. What about the door lock(s)?


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Keys

On this new to me 300D, the ignition key does not unlock the trunk.  It has the 
little tiny key.  I am guessing the ignition key is the valet key.  So, if I 
ordered a new key based on the VIN, it should also work on the trunk lock, 
right?  BUT, if the ignition lock cylinder has been replaced previously then a 
key that I order by VIN number will not work in the ignition, right?

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] Keys

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Correct. What about the door lock(s)?


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Keys

On this new to me 300D, the ignition key does not unlock the trunk.  It has the 
little tiny key.  I am guessing the ignition key is the valet key.   So, if I 
ordered a new key based on the VIN, it should also work on the trunk lock, 
right?   BUT, if the ignition lock cylinder has been replaced previously then a 
key that I order by VIN number will not work in the ignition, right?

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Gary Hurst]

the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Alles.
 What is the current status of key availability?
 Gary, or Stealer, or?
 87 300TD

 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Richard Hattaway]

I have a raft of blank keys for the 123 series machines.  Does that help?





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:28 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


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 Alles.
 What is the current status of key availability?
 Gary, or Stealer, or?
 87 300TD

 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Randy Bennell]

Is it not pretty easy to get something notarized in the USA?
I assume they just want someone to certify that a copy of the 
registration is a true copy.


If you go to the dealer they will ask to see the registration but if you 
don't actually go there, then they may want you to send along something 
that indicates you are the actual owner and not just someone who wants a 
key so they can borrow a nice car they see parked on a lot somewhere.


I picked up keys from the dealer here and the parts man said to me - 
you aren't separated or divorced are you?
The car is registered to my wife. He let me take the keys but probably 
thought it was not much of a risk since my car is so old.
I can see where they might be a bit more careful with newer and more 
valuable vehicles.


Randy

On 17/10/2013 4:28 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:


Alles.
What is the current status of key availability?
Gary, or Stealer, or?
87 300TD

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[WILTON]

Like I said, Rusty got mine from MB of Tampa, 4636 N. Dale Mabry Hwy., Tampa 
33614.  'Zackly who he worked with there I don't know.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys.



the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir 
fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:



Alles.
What is the current status of key availability?
Gary, or Stealer, or?
87 300TD

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[WILTON]

Notarization's always been very easy for me; it's merely a certification 
that I'm who I say I am.  In this case, does this face go with this 
signature and this registration?  It's always been true for me, so it's very 
easy.  Now, If I were not who I say I am, it'd be much more difficult, and, 
of course, that's the reason for it.   ;)


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys.




Is it not pretty easy to get something notarized in the USA?
I assume they just want someone to certify that a copy of the registration 
is a true copy.


If you go to the dealer they will ask to see the registration but if you 
don't actually go there, then they may want you to send along something 
that indicates you are the actual owner and not just someone who wants a 
key so they can borrow a nice car they see parked on a lot somewhere.


I picked up keys from the dealer here and the parts man said to me - you 
aren't separated or divorced are you?
The car is registered to my wife. He let me take the keys but probably 
thought it was not much of a risk since my car is so old.
I can see where they might be a bit more careful with newer and more 
valuable vehicles.


Randy

On 17/10/2013 4:28 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some 
of

you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir 
fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:



Alles.
What is the current status of key availability?
Gary, or Stealer, or?
87 300TD

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Frederick Moir]

Gary, Richard.
W124 keys are what I need.
So, it's off to the dealer. Ho Hum.
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.



 From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys.
 

I have a raft of blank keys for the 123 series machines.  Does that help?





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:28 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
and none of you will reveal his identity


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Alles.
 What is the current status of key availability?
 Gary, or Stealer, or?
 87 300TD

 Fred Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Dan Penoff]

You can call Steve DeGennaro in their Parts Department between 8:00 am and noon 
during the week and ask him.

You can also drop my name if you wish, but if you do, be nice. Steve has been 
my go-to MB parts guy for many years. I have worked hard to develop a good 
relationship with him and he has reciprocated by doing a fantastic job for me 
when I need dealer services and parts.

Dan

 On Oct 17, 2013, at 5:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Like I said, Rusty got mine from MB of Tampa, 4636 N. Dale Mabry Hwy., Tampa 
 33614.  'Zackly who he worked with there I don't know.
 
 Wilton
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys.
 
 
 the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
 you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
 and none of you will reveal his identity
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
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 Gary, or Stealer, or?
 87 300TD
 
 Fred Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[Fmiser]

 Richard wrote:
 
 I have a raft of blank keys for the 123 series machines.  Does
 that help?

Oh yeah?

Are they brass, or OEM stainless steel?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys.

[clay]

What is the deal with IR fobs?  Are they pretty much interchangable?

clay

On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 
 Is it not pretty easy to get something notarized in the USA?
 I assume they just want someone to certify that a copy of the registration is 
 a true copy.
 
 If you go to the dealer they will ask to see the registration but if you 
 don't actually go there, then they may want you to send along something that 
 indicates you are the actual owner and not just someone who wants a key so 
 they can borrow a nice car they see parked on a lot somewhere.
 
 I picked up keys from the dealer here and the parts man said to me - you 
 aren't separated or divorced are you?
 The car is registered to my wife. He let me take the keys but probably 
 thought it was not much of a risk since my car is so old.
 I can see where they might be a bit more careful with newer and more valuable 
 vehicles.
 
 Randy
 
 On 17/10/2013 4:28 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation.  some of
 you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him
 and none of you will reveal his identity
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
 Alles.
 What is the current status of key availability?
 Gary, or Stealer, or?
 87 300TD
 
 Fred Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Keys

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Cool

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On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:00 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 BTW, Kaleb, recent talk about PO's providing only one key for a vehicle, 
 reminded me:  I've rounded up 3 SDL keys for you so far.
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Fmiser]

 R A Bennell wrote:

 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You
 have to exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your
 ownership.

Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I
drive them not for the class status, but because they are well
engineered, easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip

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[R A Bennell]

Oh, come - come, did you not know that you are entitled to hold your nose high 
in the air while driving a Mercedes
even if it is a bit worn?  Beater is just not acceptable. You need to come up 
with something much more
appropriate. You need to think more in terms of faithful or comfortable 
like your favourite old slippers or
your old but loyal dog.

Randy

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 R A Bennell wrote:

 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You
 have to exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your
 ownership.

Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I
drive them not for the class status, but because they are well
engineered, easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I hope no one is slouching when driving; one must sit erect behind the
wheel of an MB!

-Max 

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Oh, come - come, did you not know that you are entitled to hold your
nose high in the air while driving a Mercedes even if it is a bit worn?
Beater is just not acceptable. You need to come up with something much
more appropriate. You need to think more in terms of faithful or
comfortable like your favourite old slippers or your old but loyal
dog.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 R A Bennell wrote:

 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to 
 exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your ownership.

Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I drive
them not for the class status, but because they are well engineered,
easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

Me, too.  It's a very good example of innovative, solid, common sense 
engineering.


Wilton

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R A Bennell wrote:



Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You
have to exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your
ownership.


Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I
drive them not for the class status, but because they are well
engineered, easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

I do, but not because I'm sitting behind a three-pointed star.  It's because 
I'm no slouch.  ;)))


Wilton

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meade.m.dil...@navy.mil

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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



I hope no one is slouching when driving; one must sit erect behind the
wheel of an MB!

-Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

Oh, come - come, did you not know that you are entitled to hold your
nose high in the air while driving a Mercedes even if it is a bit worn?
Beater is just not acceptable. You need to come up with something much
more appropriate. You need to think more in terms of faithful or
comfortable like your favourite old slippers or your old but loyal
dog.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



R A Bennell wrote:



Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to
exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your ownership.


Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I drive
them not for the class status, but because they are well engineered,
easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

Oh come now, you are just defending your sacrilege.

Randy

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Me, too.  It's a very good example of innovative, solid, common sense 
engineering.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 R A Bennell wrote:

 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You
 have to exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your
 ownership.

 Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I
 drive them not for the class status, but because they are well
 engineered, easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

 I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

 --  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

The next thing we know, you will be suggesting Shoe Goo and Microwave sheet 
metal.

Randy

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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Me, too.  It's a very good example of innovative, solid, common sense 
engineering.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 R A Bennell wrote:

 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You
 have to exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your
 ownership.

 Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I
 drive them not for the class status, but because they are well
 engineered, easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

 I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

 --  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Rich Thomas]

I lean to the middle.

--R

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I hope no one is slouching when driving; one must sit erect behind the
wheel of an MB!

-Max 


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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

Oh, come - come, did you not know that you are entitled to hold your
nose high in the air while driving a Mercedes even if it is a bit worn?
Beater is just not acceptable. You need to come up with something much
more appropriate. You need to think more in terms of faithful or
comfortable like your favourite old slippers or your old but loyal
dog.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


  

R A Bennell wrote:



  
Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to 
exhibit some class or we may have to revoke your ownership.



Heh.  I don't have a single car that is clearly NOT a beater.  I drive
them not for the class status, but because they are well engineered,
easy to work on, dependable, and diesel.

I think the cable tie key is very fitting...

--  Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[OK Don]

I feel that you should always pass, or be driving in front of Caddies and
Bimmers --- never following them.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:34 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 Oh, come - come, did you not know that you are entitled to hold your nose
 high in the air while driving a Mercedes
 even if it is a bit worn?  Beater is just not acceptable. You need to
 come up with something much more
 appropriate. You need to think more in terms of faithful or comfortable
 like your favourite old slippers or
 your old but loyal dog.

 Randy


-- 
OK Don
Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:03:40 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I do, but not because I'm sitting behind a three-pointed star.  It's
 because I'm no slouch.  ;)))

Good one, Wilton!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[John Reames]

Heh... Good idea. I have some old Frod keys around...

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 21:57, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net  
wrote:


How about taking a regular old scrap brass key, cutting the head off  
it with
a hacksaw, cutting the Benz key to match, then brazing/silver  
soldering them

together?  That should work fine and last forever.

Greg

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boun...@okiebenz.com]

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

Yeah. The soft heads suck!!! They last maybe a year.

I've debated trying to smelt some old brass keys and just casting
metal heads on the existing keys

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 19:31, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:


My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home
and cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong
point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Curt Raymond]

If you don't mind how it looks take a big flat washer and weld it to the key...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58 -0600
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more
Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpaelaocaa@mts.net
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=iso-8859-1

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a couple 
of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic heads 
and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but that 
is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 3rd 
one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. I 
was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong key. 
Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?



  
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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

Hello Mike

I am in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Michael Esh
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Randy,
What area of the country do you live in?
Mike
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

 My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
 ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
 as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
 plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
 broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
 part but that is not all that much fun - hard on
 the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
 thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
 wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the  
 past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
 router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key  
 on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
 them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
 strong key. Another possibility was to use thin
 plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply  
 the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
 darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that  
 is that I might not notice the thing was
 breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home  
 and cannot start the car.

 Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
 and pouring some sort of resin over and around
 it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a  
 reasonably shaped head and then might have to
 work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
 what sort of resin I might use and how strong
 these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
 making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
 church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

 Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
 making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
 handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
 point.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

Hey Wilton

That makes some sense. I thought about the idea of routing out a hole in a 
block of wood but I did not consider the
removal of some of the original metal key part. Would certainly make it easier 
if the hole did not need to be as
wide or long (however you wish to refer to it).

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal part of
the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise and to
prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more


 My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
 couple of new ones through the local dealer
 as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
 heads and they have not lasted. Both have
 broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but
 that is not all that much fun - hard on
 the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a
 3rd one. My first idea was to make
 wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past.
 I was going to use my Dremel with the
 router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a
 couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
 them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong
 key. Another possibility was to use thin
 plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the
 soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
 darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is
 that I might not notice the thing was
 breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
 cannot start the car.

 Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
 pouring some sort of resin over and around
 it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
 reasonably shaped head and then might have to
 work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what
 sort of resin I might use and how strong
 these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making
 stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
 church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

 Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making
 a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
 handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

What do they cost Rusty?

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:12 PM
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I have the head only and they are cheap. I can USPS as many as you need.



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-Original Message-
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a couple 
of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic heads 
and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but that 
is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 3rd 
one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. I 
was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong key. 
Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the soft 
part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is that I 
might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and cannot 
start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and pouring 
some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a reasonably 
shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what sort of 
resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making stuff 
like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making a 
monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to exhibit 
some class or we may have to revoke
your ownership.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 WILTON wrote:

 7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by
 using 2 small tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the
 key head, one on each side of the key shaft and both through
 the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking tabs inside the
 keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of
 the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using
 it when I sold the car.

Hey!  That's my trick.  Only I did it with one tie wrap, sort of
figure-8 looped around so it would be pull toward the center.
It's been at least 4 years like that and still working.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

I was afraid I would damage the key if I applied too much heat to it. I guess 
those with more experience might do
that quite nicely but I think it beyond my abilities. A bit of practice might 
help I guess and I do think it could
be made to look good.

Randy

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:03 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58 -0600 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking
 of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make wooden heads as I think I have
 seen referred to on this forum in the past

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty ...

 Now, my new  thought is resin.

I have a small piece of 1/8 copper. I was planning on brazing the key to
that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Rusty Cullens]

yes

Rusty Cullens
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From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Is the key for yours the same as a 1984 300D?
On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:26 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:



Want to do one for me to prove you can do it twice?




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-Original Message-
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:34:50
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/ 
routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal  part 
of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I  use 
it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the  exercise and 
to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  part 
but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  thinking of 
a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in  the 
past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the  key on 
a

couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a 
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can  supply the
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on  that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without 
making

a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Rusty Cullens]

$4.75


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- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


What do they cost Rusty?

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



I have the head only and they are cheap. I can USPS as many as you need.



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-Original Message-
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a 
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic 
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but 
that is not all that much fun - hard on

the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 
3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. I 
was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong 
key. Another possibility was to use thin

plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the 
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is that 
I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and cannot 
start the car.


Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and 
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a 
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what sort 
of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making stuff 
like one sees sold at craft sales in

church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making a 
monstrosity or doing a silly amount of

handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

Yeah, I debated whether to call the hole/slot wide or long.  Maybe the key 
top is wide and the slot is long.   ;)  Grinding those excess, pointed 
ears off the sides of the key top can leave it plenty wide, reduces length 
of the slot, improves strength of the wood top, allows the key top to slip 
nicely and straight into the slot and enhances backfilling of the slot 
around the key with epoxy.
BTW, I also reduced size of the keyring hole to just a round hole abt. 7 - 8 
mm in dia. to help improve strength of the wood top.


Wilton

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From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



Hey Wilton

That makes some sense. I thought about the idea of routing out a hole in a 
block of wood but I did not consider the
removal of some of the original metal key part. Would certainly make it 
easier if the hole did not need to be as

wide or long (however you wish to refer to it).

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; 
drilled/routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal part 
of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use 
it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise and 
to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part 
but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of 
a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the 
past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a 
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making
a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

Mine still had lots of class; the original black MB key top secured very 
nicely with small black, unobtrusive tiewraps - still looked pretty good. 
'Don't think any MB owner would (or should) have been embarrassed by it at 
at all - quite the contrary - I think it was good engineering in keeping 
with MB tradition.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to 
exhibit some class or we may have to revoke

your ownership.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



WILTON wrote:



7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by
using 2 small tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the
key head, one on each side of the key shaft and both through
the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking tabs inside the
keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of
the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using
it when I sold the car.


Hey!  That's my trick.  Only I did it with one tie wrap, sort of
figure-8 looped around so it would be pull toward the center.
It's been at least 4 years like that and still working.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Rich Thomas]

If you grind off the ears you lose a fair amount of torquing capacity 
and will put more stress on your wood or epoxy or whatever is hold the 
key in (and less surface area for adhesive to hold the key in too).


--R

WILTON wrote:
Yeah, I debated whether to call the hole/slot wide or long.  Maybe the 
key top is wide and the slot is long.   ;)  Grinding those 
excess, pointed ears off the sides of the key top can leave it 
plenty wide, reduces length of the slot, improves strength of the wood 
top, allows the key top to slip nicely and straight into the slot and 
enhances backfilling of the slot around the key with epoxy.
BTW, I also reduced size of the keyring hole to just a round hole abt. 
7 - 8 mm in dia. to help improve strength of the wood top.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



Hey Wilton

That makes some sense. I thought about the idea of routing out a hole 
in a block of wood but I did not consider the
removal of some of the original metal key part. Would certainly make 
it easier if the hole did not need to be as

wide or long (however you wish to refer to it).

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; 
drilled/routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal 
part of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I 
use it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise 
and to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal 
part but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am 
thinking of a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the 
past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key 
on a

couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a 
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply 
the

soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without 
making

a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong 
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

Of course, you lose significant gripping and torqueing surface if you grind 
off ALL of the ears.  I'm talking about grinding off only the little 
triangular excess that would make the slot in the wood excessively 
wide/long.  Grinding off the small TRIANGULAR EXCESS (probably not more than 
eighth of an inch off on each side) on the very end of the ears  to 
square-up the ears leaves plenty of surface for epoxy gripping and torque.


Wilton

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From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


If you grind off the ears you lose a fair amount of torquing capacity and 
will put more stress on your wood or epoxy or whatever is hold the key in 
(and less surface area for adhesive to hold the key in too).


--R

WILTON wrote:
Yeah, I debated whether to call the hole/slot wide or long.  Maybe the 
key top is wide and the slot is long.   ;)  Grinding those excess, 
pointed ears off the sides of the key top can leave it plenty wide, 
reduces length of the slot, improves strength of the wood top, allows the 
key top to slip nicely and straight into the slot and enhances 
backfilling of the slot around the key with epoxy.
BTW, I also reduced size of the keyring hole to just a round hole abt. 
7 - 8 mm in dia. to help improve strength of the wood top.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



Hey Wilton

That makes some sense. I thought about the idea of routing out a hole in 
a block of wood but I did not consider the
removal of some of the original metal key part. Would certainly make it 
easier if the hole did not need to be as

wide or long (however you wish to refer to it).

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; 
drilled/routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal 
part of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use 
it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise 
and to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part 
but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking 
of a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the 
past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on 
a

couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a 
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply 
the

soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without 
making

a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong 
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

And if the MB engineers had designed it better originally, I would not have 
had to improve/strengthen it with tiewraps.  ;


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Mine still had lots of class; the original black MB key top secured very 
nicely with small black, unobtrusive tiewraps - still looked pretty good. 
'Don't think any MB owner would (or should) have been embarrassed by it at 
at all - quite the contrary - I think it was good engineering in keeping 
with MB tradition.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to 
exhibit some class or we may have to revoke

your ownership.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



WILTON wrote:



7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by
using 2 small tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the
key head, one on each side of the key shaft and both through
the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking tabs inside the
keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of
the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using
it when I sold the car.


Hey!  That's my trick.  Only I did it with one tie wrap, sort of
figure-8 looped around so it would be pull toward the center.
It's been at least 4 years like that and still working.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[R A Bennell]

I suspect that the engineers were thinking that it would punch less of a hole 
in you during an accident. That is
why the key head has been made soft and bendable.

My original key has a hard plastic head and has survived for 34 plus years. The 
metal has worn but the plastic is
not half bad.

Randy

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


And if the MB engineers had designed it better originally, I would not have
had to improve/strengthen it with tiewraps.  ;

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 Mine still had lots of class; the original black MB key top secured very
 nicely with small black, unobtrusive tiewraps - still looked pretty good.
 'Don't think any MB owner would (or should) have been embarrassed by it at
 at all - quite the contrary - I think it was good engineering in keeping
 with MB tradition.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 Now, come, come, that  just wouldn't do for a Mercedes. You have to
 exhibit some class or we may have to revoke
 your ownership.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Fmiser
 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:47 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


 WILTON wrote:

 7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by
 using 2 small tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the
 key head, one on each side of the key shaft and both through
 the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking tabs inside the
 keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of
 the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using
 it when I sold the car.

 Hey!  That's my trick.  Only I did it with one tie wrap, sort of
 figure-8 looped around so it would be pull toward the center.
 It's been at least 4 years like that and still working.

 --  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Michael Esh]

Hi Randy,
I bought 5 key blanks for my 1984 300D  and 1985 300 TD.  They have  
the hard rubber ends and seem like they would last forever.   I am  
willing to part with one of them if you want it for $5.00 plus  
shipping.  Or are you more interested in creating a new head?

Send me you address if you are interested.
Mike
michael...@charter.net

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:27 PM, R A Bennell wrote:


Hello Mike

I am in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Michael Esh
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Randy,
What area of the country do you live in?
Mike
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, R A Bennell wrote:


My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home
and cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong
point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Walt Zarnoch]

The hardwood+dremmel idea sounds classy, you could use 5 min epoxy to join
together and support the key for that extra peace of mind. You could also
use parafin and epoxy to cast the new head, make a simple split mold out of
parifin, mix up some 5 minute, glop some in, you catch the drift. Wax won't
stick, and you can buff most clear epoxies to a nice sheen. Maybe put a
penny on each side of the key for some added rigidity and whimsical value :)

Walt, who's recovering from yet another midterm...

On Mar 24, 2010 6:32 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but
that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a
3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. I
was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong
key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is that
I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and cannot
start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what sort
of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making stuff
like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making a
monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[buymbparts]

I have the head only and they are cheap. I can USPS as many as you need. 



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-Original Message-
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a couple 
of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic heads 
and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but that 
is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 3rd 
one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. I 
was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong key. 
Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the soft 
part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is that I 
might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and cannot 
start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and pouring 
some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a reasonably 
shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what sort of 
resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making stuff 
like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making a 
monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Michael Esh]

Randy,
What area of the country do you live in?
Mike
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on

the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the  
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key  
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin

plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply  
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that  
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home  
and cannot start the car.


Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a  
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in

church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/routed 
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal part of 
the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in 
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use it 
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise and to 
prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more


My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a 
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic 
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but 
that is not all that much fun - hard on

the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 
3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. 
I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong 
key. Another possibility was to use thin

plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the 
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is 
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and 
cannot start the car.


Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and 
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a 
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what 
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making 
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in

church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making 
a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of

handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[buymbparts]

Want to do one for me to prove you can do it twice?




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-Original Message-
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:34:50 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/routed 
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal part of 
the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in 
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use it 
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise and to 
prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more


 My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a 
 couple of new ones through the local dealer
 as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic 
 heads and they have not lasted. Both have
 broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but 
 that is not all that much fun - hard on
 the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a 
 3rd one. My first idea was to make
 wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past. 
 I was going to use my Dremel with the
 router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a 
 couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
 them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong 
 key. Another possibility was to use thin
 plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the 
 soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
 darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is 
 that I might not notice the thing was
 breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and 
 cannot start the car.

 Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and 
 pouring some sort of resin over and around
 it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a 
 reasonably shaped head and then might have to
 work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what 
 sort of resin I might use and how strong
 these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making 
 stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
 church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

 Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making 
 a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
 handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Michael Esh]

Is the key for yours the same as a 1984 300D?
On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:26 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:



Want to do one for me to prove you can do it twice?




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-Original Message-
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:34:50
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/ 
routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal  
part of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I  
use it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the  
exercise and to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more


My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
ordered a

couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
plastic

heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
part but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
thinking of a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in  
the past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the  
key on a

couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can  
supply the

soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on  
that is

that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
and

pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
what

sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
making

stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
making

a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

I do appreciate the opportunity, but I think it's a given that I could do it 
even better now; 'still had some tremor in my hands when I did it before; no 
doubt whatsoever that I can do it again.  That's a good try, though; you 
evidently know that I enjoy a challenge, don't you?  Now, if someone were to 
suggest that I can't do it.   ;))  Nah, I doubt that'd work, 
either, 'cause I already know it, and there's nobody I have to impress. 
Even SWMBO is not impressionable any more.  ;


Wilton

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From: buymbpa...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more



Want to do one for me to prove you can do it twice?




Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

-Original Message-
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:34:50
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal part of
the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I use it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the exercise and to
prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal part but
that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking of a
3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the past.
I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key on a
couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a strong
key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply the
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without making
a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

You asking Wilton?  Yes, top's the same.

Wilton

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From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


Is the key for yours the same as a 1984 300D?
On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:26 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:



Want to do one for me to prove you can do it twice?




Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

-Original Message-
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:34:50
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

'Made a nice-looking black walnut key head coupla years ago; drilled/ 
routed
out cavity for key with Dremel; ground off excessive ears on metal  part 
of

the key head a bit to reduce width of cavity required; inserted key in
cavity; filled around it with epoxy.  Looks great; works fine, but I  use 
it
only occasionally - mostly as spare.  'Did it mainly for the  exercise and 
to

prove to myself that I could do it and do it well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more



My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  ordered a
couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  plastic
heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  part 
but

that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  thinking of 
a

3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in  the 
past.

I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the  key on 
a

couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a 
strong

key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can  supply the
soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on  that is
that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home and
cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  and
pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  what
sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  making
stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without 
making

a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[John Reames]

Yeah. The soft heads suck!!! They last maybe a year.

I've debated trying to smelt some old brass keys and just casting  
metal heads on the existing keys


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On Mar 24, 2010, at 19:31, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on

the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the  
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key  
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin

plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply  
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that  
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home  
and cannot start the car.


Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a  
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in

church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[John Reames]

Define cheap?


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On Mar 24, 2010, at 19:12, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:



I have the head only and they are cheap. I can USPS as many as you  
need.




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-Original Message-
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Keys once more

My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on

the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the  
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key  
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin

plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply  
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that  
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home  
and cannot start the car.


Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a  
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in

church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
point.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Jim Cathey]

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without 
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of handwork?


Monstrosity?  You mean, this:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL/JSLchunk.jpg

(That's the Chicken Wagon key, next to a chunk of crap that
was in the 450 SL's oil drain pan.)  I also brazed a steel washer to
a brass key for that 450SL.  No pix, though.

No, wait.  I think these qualify as silly amounts of handwork!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Greg Fiorentino]

How about taking a regular old scrap brass key, cutting the head off it with
a hacksaw, cutting the Benz key to match, then brazing/silver soldering them
together?  That should work fine and last forever.

Greg

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of John Reames
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

Yeah. The soft heads suck!!! They last maybe a year.

I've debated trying to smelt some old brass keys and just casting  
metal heads on the existing keys

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Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Mar 24, 2010, at 19:31, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I  
 ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
 as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft  
 plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
 broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal  
 part but that is not all that much fun - hard on
 the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am  
 thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
 wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the  
 past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
 router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key  
 on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
 them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a  
 strong key. Another possibility was to use thin
 plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply  
 the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
 darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that  
 is that I might not notice the thing was
 breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home  
 and cannot start the car.

 Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key  
 and pouring some sort of resin over and around
 it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a  
 reasonably shaped head and then might have to
 work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered  
 what sort of resin I might use and how strong
 these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was  
 making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
 church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

 Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without  
 making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
 handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong  
 point.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[WILTON]

7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by using 2 small 
tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the key head, one on each side 
of the key shaft and both through the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking 
tabs inside the keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of 
the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using it when I sold 
the car.


Wilton

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From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more


How about taking a regular old scrap brass key, cutting the head off it 
with
a hacksaw, cutting the Benz key to match, then brazing/silver soldering 
them

together?  That should work fine and last forever.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of John Reames
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

Yeah. The soft heads suck!!! They last maybe a year.

I've debated trying to smelt some old brass keys and just casting
metal heads on the existing keys

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jwrea...@comcast.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Mar 24, 2010, at 19:31, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:


My old 115 300D came with a key with the hard plastic head. I
ordered a couple of new ones through the local dealer
as the original was a bit worn. The new ones came with the soft
plastic heads and they have not lasted. Both have
broken in a short time. I managed last summer with just the metal
part but that is not all that much fun - hard on
the fingers - especially since I have to use it to lock the doors.

In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am
thinking of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make
wooden heads as I think I have seen referred to on this forum in the
past. I was going to use my Dremel with the
router base to carve out a depression shaped like the top of the key
on a couple of thin pieces of wood and glue
them together. Seems a bit fiddly to me but I guess it could make a
strong key. Another possibility was to use thin
plywood as it might have more strength than wood?

My second thought was just to contact Rusty and see if he can supply
the soft part only. If I got a dozen of the
darned things I would be ok for a few years. My only concern on that
is that I might not notice the thing was
breaking and I might lose my key. A problem if one is not at home
and cannot start the car.

Now, my new  thought is resin. I wondered about supporting the key
and pouring some sort of resin over and around
it to form a head. Would need some carved out depression to form a
reasonably shaped head and then might have to
work on cleaning the edges up etc afterwards. However, I wondered
what sort of resin I might use and how strong
these are. I recall many years ago one of our old neighbors was
making stuff like one sees sold at craft sales in
church basements - pennies in a paperweight sort of things.

Anyone else got a good idea of how to fix the bu**ered key without
making a monstrosity or doing a silly amount of
handwork? I like woodworking but miniature stuff is not my strong
point.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Fmiser]

 WILTON wrote:

 7 or 8 years ago, I repaired key head on my 81 300D key by
 using 2 small tiewraps secured tightly around base part of the
 key head, one on each side of the key shaft and both through
 the keyring hole with the tiewrap locking tabs inside the
 keyring hole so they did not protrude beyond the surface of
 the key head.  'Worked fine for several years and still using
 it when I sold the car.

Hey!  That's my trick.  Only I did it with one tie wrap, sort of
figure-8 looped around so it would be pull toward the center.
It's been at least 4 years like that and still working.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Keys once more

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:31:58 -0600 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 In any event, I have pondered a couple of choices and now am thinking
 of a 3rd one. My first idea was to make wooden heads as I think I have
 seen referred to on this forum in the past

 My second thought was just to contact Rusty ...

 Now, my new  thought is resin.

I have a small piece of 1/8 copper. I was planning on brazing the key to
that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Douglas]

No the key does not match though there is a number on the existing key.

Douglas


- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?



Send Rusty
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key

If the new cylinder matches the old cylinder.

--R

Douglas wrote:

Since we are talking about keys I have a question.

I had my ignition replaced and the cylinder only came with one key now 
that my son got his permit I want to get another key. What do I need to 
do to get a steel key?


Thanks Douglas

- Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?




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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Curt Raymond]

I'm sure she'd love to, the problem is her name isn't on the title...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:56:47 -0700
From: Barry Stark barryst...@roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt -
How about letting your wife send the letter to Rusty with her license?

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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Douglas]

Since we are talking about keys I have a question.

I had my ignition replaced and the cylinder only came with one key now that 
my son got his permit I want to get another key. What do I need to do to get 
a steel key?


Thanks Douglas

- Original Message - 
From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?



yup

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?



Rusty Cullens wrote:

new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key


Legible .gifs via email OK?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Rich Thomas]

Send Rusty
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key

If the new cylinder matches the old cylinder.

--R

Douglas wrote:

Since we are talking about keys I have a question.

I had my ignition replaced and the cylinder only came with one key now 
that my son got his permit I want to get another key. What do I need 
to do to get a steel key?


Thanks Douglas

- Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Rusty Cullens]

new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:50 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys?


Anybody remember what Rusty needs to have VIN keys cut? I'm thinking he'd 
said a fax of the title, wonder if an email would work?
I gotta get 2 keys for my 240D, I've got a brass one and the driver's door 
has decided it doesn't like my wife's key which is an old steel one.



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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Mitch Haley]

Rusty Cullens wrote:

new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key


Legible .gifs via email OK?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Rusty Cullens]

yup

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?



Rusty Cullens wrote:

new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key


Legible .gifs via email OK?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Curt Raymond]

That seems reasonable considering how inconvenient it is for me to go to the 
stealer. 
Can all that be emailed?
I'll have to wait until my new license comes in, I accidentally let the old one 
expire.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:53:56 -0400
From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:50 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys?


 Anybody remember what Rusty needs to have VIN keys cut? I'm thinking he'd 
 said a fax of the title, wonder if an email would work?
 I gotta get 2 keys for my 240D, I've got a brass one and the driver's door 
 has decided it doesn't like my wife's key which is an old steel one.


 -Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Rusty Cullens]

yes email is fine

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
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- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?


That seems reasonable considering how inconvenient it is for me to go to the 
stealer.

Can all that be emailed?
I'll have to wait until my new license comes in, I accidentally let the old 
one expire.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:53:56 -0400
From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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new rules per MB
copy of drivers license
copy of title or registration
brief letter giving BuyMBparts permission to order the key

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax 770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:50 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys?



Anybody remember what Rusty needs to have VIN keys cut? I'm thinking he'd
said a fax of the title, wonder if an email would work?
I gotta get 2 keys for my 240D, I've got a brass one and the driver's door
has decided it doesn't like my wife's key which is an old steel one.


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Re: [MBZ] Keys?

[Barry Stark]

Curt -
How about letting your wife send the letter to Rusty with her license?

Barry


That seems reasonable considering how inconvenient it is for me to go to the
stealer. 
Can all that be emailed?
I'll have to wait until my new license comes in, I accidentally let the old
one expire.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Keys and Light wipers?? -- 84 126

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:06:47 -0500 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 So the PO had another ignition lock/switch put in the car I recently 
 bought, was vague on whether he got the same key and only had one set 
 of keys to the car.  I found the receipt but it does not say what the 
 shop did,  I want to get another key made, but not sure if this is an 
 original same-key lock or not.  The key has a central shaft with the 2 
 tumbler parts down either side.  Is there anyway to tell what is on the 
 car, and if the key is the same as the original?  It works the doors, so
 I am thinking it must be.

That's my thought, too. If it also works the trunk, that would be the
clicher. BTW, it is possible to buy ignition lock cylinders that are keyed
to the original key for the car. I did that with our '82 240D/3.0.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys and Light wipers?? -- 84 126

[Wilton Strickland]

'Sounds like the right type key for that era/model.  If it works the doors
and the trunk, too, I'm also thinking you have a match to the original;
'should be able to order one from Rusty via VIN.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Keys and Light wipers?? -- 84 126


 So the PO had another ignition lock/switch put in the car I recently
 bought, was vague on whether he got the same key and only had one set
 of keys to the car.  I found the receipt but it does not say what the
 shop did,  I want to get another key made, but not sure if this is an
 original same-key lock or not.  The key has a central shaft with the 2
 tumbler parts down either side.  Is there anyway to tell what is on the
 car, and if the key is the same as the original?  It works the doors, so
 I am thinking it must be.

 Did the SELs have wipers for the headlights?  I think I have seen some
 around with wipers, was thinking it would be neat to put those on the
 car, no particular reason.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Keys and Light wipers?? -- 84 126

[Jim Cathey]

Did the SELs have wipers for the headlights?  I think I have seen some 
around with wipers, was thinking it would be neat to put those on the 
car, no particular reason.


The SDL's did!  I think the 560's came with just about everything.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Kris Gilmore]

At 09:26 AM 12/22/2008, Harry wrote:
The dog pushed the door lock with the keys laying on the seat.  The 
deputy came with a tool and unlocked it with not much effort.  This 
was a 97 Lexus.


What about these tools?  Do different ones fit different 
cars?  Where can they be had?  I can't recall seeing them in HF.


 I keep thinking about this.  Say you had one of these tools and 
learned how to use it.  Where would you keep it?  It doesn't look 
like it would fit in your pocket and having it at home wouldn't 
help.  Hidden on the underside of the vehicle would be good but then 
hiding a spare key there sounds easier.


 I tape a spare key under the front of all my vehicles.  I put 
it in a place that requires a person to get down on their hands and 
knees and look for a dirty wrap of black plastic tape of the 
appropriate size.  Then cut it off and clean the key of grease and 
crud.  A troublesome and time consuming procedure, not the kind of 
thing a thief likes to do.  Also not the kind of thing that a wife 
likes to do; mine has been cured of accidentally locking herself out 
while shopping.


 And thinking of her now I guess brings to mind what would be 
her reaction to your post - Why does this man leave his dog in a car 
with the windows up so high he can't reach in?  I would have thought 
the list's dog lovers would be on to you by now.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

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 This my only home.
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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[LWB250]

I just carry a spare key in my wallet.  Same goes for house key.  That way I 
never have to carry a ring of keys around.

The MB keys are nice to put in a wallet if you do the headless thing with 
them, that is, break or cut off the plastic head so all you have is the metal 
part.  A little tough to turn, but it works all the same and cuts down on the 
bulk.

Dan

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Kris Gilmore kri...@brightstarinternet.com wrote:

 From: Kris Gilmore kri...@brightstarinternet.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:17 AM
 At 09:26 AM 12/22/2008, Harry wrote:
  The dog pushed the door lock with the keys laying on
 the seat.  The deputy came with a tool and unlocked it
 with not much effort.  This was a 97 Lexus.
  
  What about these tools?  Do different ones fit
 different cars?  Where can they be had?  I can't
 recall seeing them in HF.
 
      I keep thinking about this. 
 Say you had one of these tools and learned how to use
 it.  Where would you keep it?  It doesn't look
 like it would fit in your pocket and having it at home
 wouldn't help.  Hidden on the underside of the vehicle
 would be good but then hiding a spare key there sounds
 easier.
 
      I tape a spare key under the front
 of all my vehicles.  I put it in a place that requires
 a person to get down on their hands and knees and look for a
 dirty wrap of black plastic tape of the appropriate
 size.  Then cut it off and clean the key of grease and
 crud.  A troublesome and time consuming procedure, not
 the kind of thing a thief likes to do.  Also not the
 kind of thing that a wife likes to do; mine has been cured
 of accidentally locking herself out while shopping.
 
      And thinking of her now I guess
 brings to mind what would be her reaction to your post -
 Why does this man leave his dog in a car with the windows
 up so high he can't reach in?  I would have thought
 the list's dog lovers would be on to you by now.
 
      Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
 
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      This my only home.
      This is the only sacred ground
        that I have ever known. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[R A Bennell]

2 issues!

1. My 115 does not have vent windows.

2. I have not figured out how to lock the doors without using the key in the 
lock on the driver's door.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?


On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:47:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I managed to lock my keys in a 115 once - after getting the cameras
 out of the back seat to shoot a wedding.  It took me at least 45
 minutes with a coat hanger to get the door open, with some sacrifice
 of the weatherstrip around the door.

You could always take the easy approach on a 115: just push hard enough on
the wind wing at the front of one of the front windows until you shear the
small pin holding the window to the rotation mechanism. It's fast, but has
more repair effort later. (Then again, knowing how difficult it is to get
weather stripping right, maybe not.)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:39:41 -0600 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 2 issues!
 
 1. My 115 does not have vent windows.

No wind wings at the front of the front door windows? Hmmm.



 2. I have not figured out how to lock the doors without using the key in
 the lock on the driver's door.

Simple. With key in hand, close driver's door. Open rear passenger door.
Reach around and push button on driver's door down. Push button on
passenger's door down. Shut passenger's door.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:17:35 -0500 Kris Gilmore
kri...@brightstarinternet.com wrote:

   And thinking of her now I guess brings to mind what would be 
 her reaction to your post - Why does this man leave his dog in a car 
 with the windows up so high he can't reach in?  I would have thought 
 the list's dog lovers would be on to you by now.

When it's 20 degrees out, one does not need to leave the windows down for
the car to stay at a comfortable temperature, even in the sun. In fact,
having the windows down enough to reach in would probably drop the
temperature to an uncomfortable range and would let blowing snow in.

So, no dog lovers to pounce on him.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[R A Bennell]

My 300D is the tail end of the 115 models being a 1976. The earlier cars did 
have vent windows, and I wish mine did
too. They are useful things when the AC does not work.

The routine for locking the doors seems a bit much. I think I will just stick 
with the key. I have seen aftermarket
kits for remote locking with the key fob type remote. I wouldn't mind trying to 
install something like that
perhaps. Don't want to trash my old MB but sure do like the pushbutton lock 
setup on my truck. One gets used to it
quickly and does not want to use the key. I find myself wanting to unlock my 
house with the remote doodad. There
must be a market for that too.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?


On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:39:41 -0600 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 2 issues!

 1. My 115 does not have vent windows.

No wind wings at the front of the front door windows? Hmmm.



 2. I have not figured out how to lock the doors without using the key in
 the lock on the driver's door.

Simple. With key in hand, close driver's door. Open rear passenger door.
Reach around and push button on driver's door down. Push button on
passenger's door down. Shut passenger's door.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Peter Frederick]

Most cars have an exposed link that can be hooked by that tool.  Not  
Benz, so make sure you have your keys with you


You will never see those for sale -- it's illegal to sell them to  
anyone but a law enforcement agency, I think.  Usually considered  
evidence of illegal activity, like lock picks if you aren't a locksmith.


Peter

On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:26 AM, harry watkins wrote:

The dog pushed the door lock with the keys laying on the seat.  The  
deputy came with a tool and unlocked it with not much effort.  This  
was a 97 Lexus.


What about these tools?  Do different ones fit different cars?   
Where can they be had?  I can't recall seeing them in HF.


Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Mitch Haley]

I once locked my keys in my 1980 Citation during finals week. A campus cop 
unlocked it with a slim jim (flat stainless strip with notches at the end) in 
about five seconds. A couple of years later I did it again, at home this time.
Went to Carquest and bought the tool I'd seen the cop use, cost me about $10 way 
back then. Took me about 20 minutes to hook it on the rod from the lock cylinder 
and unlock the car. After I got it open, I put down the window and practiced 
until I could do it in 30 seconds. You need to know where to put the thing, how 
far down to shove it, whether to hook in from the front or the back, and whether 
to pull up or push down.


Harbor Freight used to have a set that included a slim jim and a few other 
unlocking tools, but I can't find it on their web site now. For all I know, they 
might be 'restricted burgulary tools' these days.


I'm surprised that you got into any Lexus that way, I thought that car locks 
were guarded from slim jims before Toyota ever made a 'Lexus' badge.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Loren Faeth]

I have seen the tools for sale on the internet.  I don't believe they 
are illegal in most states.  Around here, every tow truck driver has a set.



At 08:44 AM 12/22/2008, you wrote:

I once locked my keys in my 1980 Citation during finals week. A 
campus cop unlocked it with a slim jim (flat stainless strip with 
notches at the end) in about five seconds. A couple of years later I 
did it again, at home this time.
Went to Carquest and bought the tool I'd seen the cop use, cost me 
about $10 way back then. Took me about 20 minutes to hook it on the 
rod from the lock cylinder and unlock the car. After I got it open, 
I put down the window and practiced until I could do it in 30 
seconds. You need to know where to put the thing, how far down to 
shove it, whether to hook in from the front or the back, and whether 
to pull up or push down.


Harbor Freight used to have a set that included a slim jim and a few 
other unlocking tools, but I can't find it on their web site now. 
For all I know, they might be 'restricted burgulary tools' these days.


I'm surprised that you got into any Lexus that way, I thought that 
car locks were guarded from slim jims before Toyota ever made a 'Lexus' badge.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[pm7088]

Got to careful, snagging the wires for windows or lock will ruin your day.  
Cops here make you sign a waver before they do it.  Ford Pick-up are very 
vulnerable I'm told.

Pete


 -- Original message --
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
 
 I once locked my keys in my 1980 Citation during finals week. A campus cop 
 unlocked it with a slim jim (flat stainless strip with notches at the end) 
 in 
 about five seconds. A couple of years later I did it again, at home this time.
 Went to Carquest and bought the tool I'd seen the cop use, cost me about $10 
 way 
 back then. Took me about 20 minutes to hook it on the rod from the lock 
 cylinder 
 and unlock the car. After I got it open, I put down the window and practiced 
 until I could do it in 30 seconds. You need to know where to put the thing, 
 how 
 far down to shove it, whether to hook in from the front or the back, and 
 whether 
 to pull up or push down.
 
 Harbor Freight used to have a set that included a slim jim and a few other 
 unlocking tools, but I can't find it on their web site now. For all I know, 
 they 
 might be 'restricted burgulary tools' these days.
 
 I'm surprised that you got into any Lexus that way, I thought that car locks 
 were guarded from slim jims before Toyota ever made a 'Lexus' badge.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Most cars have an exposed link that can be hooked by that tool.  Not Benz,
 so make sure you have your keys with you

 You will never see those for sale -- it's illegal to sell them to anyone but
 a law enforcement agency, I think.  Usually considered evidence of illegal
 activity, like lock picks if you aren't a locksmith.


http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Lock-Out-Tool-Set/dp/B000E5ILOS

I hope buying or owning an object that may be used for illegal
purposes is not yet prima facie evidence of a crime, or we have a lot
more to worry about than what kind of oil to use in our Benzes.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Peter Frederick]

Being in possesion of burglary tools while caught in the act is  
evidence of criminal intent.  Crowbars, glass cutters, lock picks,  
and so forth are quite legal and legitimate tools, but have a strong  
tendency to demonstrate intent to break and enter is in the  
possession of someone caught burgling


Peter

On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Peter Frederick  
psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
Most cars have an exposed link that can be hooked by that tool.   
Not Benz,

so make sure you have your keys with you

You will never see those for sale -- it's illegal to sell them to  
anyone but
a law enforcement agency, I think.  Usually considered evidence of  
illegal

activity, like lock picks if you aren't a locksmith.



http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Lock-Out-Tool-Set/dp/B000E5ILOS

I hope buying or owning an object that may be used for illegal
purposes is not yet prima facie evidence of a crime, or we have a lot
more to worry about than what kind of oil to use in our Benzes.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[LWB250]

FWIW, I just saw this listed on Coudal:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000JFNAKS?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DERtag=dealt40898-20linkCode=asn

Hardly illegal if Amazon is selling it

Dan


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:19 AM
 Got to careful, snagging the wires
 for windows or lock will ruin your day.  Cops here make
 you sign a waver before they do it.  Ford Pick-up are
 very vulnerable I'm told.
 
 Pete
 



  

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Mitch Haley]

LWB250 wrote:

FWIW, I just saw this listed on Coudal:


Note: For sale to registered locksmiths, police and bonafide automotive repair 
professionals. Not for sale in CA, FL, IL and MI, nor to any minor. Buyer is 
responsible to check state/local codes. Product not intended for illegal use. 
U.S.A.


I'm in Michigan. I wonder what I'd find if I went back to the Carquest that sold 
me the slim jim 20+ years ago?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

I hope buying or owning an object that may be used for illegal
purposes is not yet prima facie evidence of a crime, or we have a lot
more to worry about than what kind of oil to use in our Benzes.


Drug enforcement fascists have obtained no knock home invasion permits based on 
nothing other than infrared imaging data which suggested a likelihood that the 
home contained lawful grow lamps. I think the logical solution for that is to 
throw the thugs' corpses through the judge's windows at 4am.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[OK Don]

I managed to lock my keys in a 115 once - after getting the cameras
out of the back seat to shoot a wedding.  It took me at least 45
minutes with a coat hanger to get the door open, with some sacrifice
of the weatherstrip around the door.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Most cars have an exposed link that can be hooked by that tool.  Not Benz,
 so make sure you have your keys with you



-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Rich Thomas]

Hope it didn't rain while you were doing that, with the top down your 
seats would get all wet.


--R

OK Don wrote:

I managed to lock my keys in a 115 once - after getting the cameras
out of the back seat to shoot a wedding.  It took me at least 45
minutes with a coat hanger to get the door open, with some sacrifice
of the weatherstrip around the door.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
  

Most cars have an exposed link that can be hooked by that tool.  Not Benz,
so make sure you have your keys with you





  

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Re: [MBZ] Keys locked in car, what tools are available?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:47:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I managed to lock my keys in a 115 once - after getting the cameras
 out of the back seat to shoot a wedding.  It took me at least 45
 minutes with a coat hanger to get the door open, with some sacrifice
 of the weatherstrip around the door.

You could always take the easy approach on a 115: just push hard enough on
the wind wing at the front of one of the front windows until you shear the
small pin holding the window to the rotation mechanism. It's fast, but has
more repair effort later. (Then again, knowing how difficult it is to get
weather stripping right, maybe not.)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[Bill R]

...and not broken off in the ignition.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in the
ignition switch. No key! Just the
plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
to make a wooden blank replacement a
while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
find the other key. Think it must be
close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here the
past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
my pockets somewhere in the house - or
maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[R A Bennell]

No, that couldn't be as the whole metal part was gone - just had plastic left 
over.
Looked in the house at lunch to no avail.
However, found it in the trunk lock so now back to square one. Time to make 
some wooden key heads to replace the
plastic.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


...and not broken off in the ignition.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in the
ignition switch. No key! Just the
plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
to make a wooden blank replacement a
while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
find the other key. Think it must be
close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here the
past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
my pockets somewhere in the house - or
maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[Wilton Strickland]

Randy, my wooden (walnut) key top works great, feels good, looks good, but I
really don't use it much - just lying in the drawer as a spare now.  I
noticed the walnut top gets dinged fast in my pocket with other keys and
stuff, but I enjoyed making it and knowing that I can.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


 No, that couldn't be as the whole metal part was gone - just had plastic
left over.
 Looked in the house at lunch to no avail.
 However, found it in the trunk lock so now back to square one. Time to
make some wooden key heads to replace the
 plastic.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill R
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


 ...and not broken off in the ignition.
 BillR

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of R A Bennell
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

 This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in
the
 ignition switch. No key! Just the
 plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
 to make a wooden blank replacement a
 while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
 find the other key. Think it must be
 close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here
the
 past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
 and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
 my pockets somewhere in the house - or
 maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

 Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[Bill R]

Glad you found it and didn't have to dig it out of a lock.  You could get
really industrious and make a bunch to give to all of us for Christmas...
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:02 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!

No, that couldn't be as the whole metal part was gone - just had plastic
left over.
Looked in the house at lunch to no avail.
However, found it in the trunk lock so now back to square one. Time to make
some wooden key heads to replace the
plastic.

Randy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


...and not broken off in the ignition.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in the
ignition switch. No key! Just the
plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
to make a wooden blank replacement a
while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
find the other key. Think it must be
close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here the
past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
my pockets somewhere in the house - or
maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[Bill R]

Still perfect for someone like me.  I leave a single key in the ignition
almost all the time.  Not always a good idea, I know, as one of these days I
might go out to a blank parking spot.  I even forget to lock it many nights
and have never had it even gone through.  Yet.
BillR
Jacksonville FL [and in a pretty safe neighborhood]
1981 300SD  301k miles

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!

Randy, my wooden (walnut) key top works great, feels good, looks good, but I
really don't use it much - just lying in the drawer as a spare now.  I
noticed the walnut top gets dinged fast in my pocket with other keys and
stuff, but I enjoyed making it and knowing that I can.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


 No, that couldn't be as the whole metal part was gone - just had plastic
left over.
 Looked in the house at lunch to no avail.
 However, found it in the trunk lock so now back to square one. Time to
make some wooden key heads to replace the
 plastic.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill R
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keys!


 ...and not broken off in the ignition.
 BillR

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of R A Bennell
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

 This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in
the
 ignition switch. No key! Just the
 plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
 to make a wooden blank replacement a
 while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
 find the other key. Think it must be
 close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here
the
 past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
 and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
 my pockets somewhere in the house - or
 maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

 Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Keys!

[R A Bennell]

Hi Wilton

I plan to do essentially what you did. I'm not really concerned about the wood 
getting dinged. I just don't want to
mess with the plastic stuff anymore.
I looked at whether I could rivet some brass onto the key but there is not a 
whole lot of the metal key as you well
know so the execution would have to be done well or would look awful. Wood is 
just easier.

Randy


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Randy, my wooden (walnut) key top works great, feels good, looks good, but I
really don't use it much - just lying in the drawer as a spare now.  I
noticed the walnut top gets dinged fast in my pocket with other keys and
stuff, but I enjoyed making it and knowing that I can.

Wilton

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 No, that couldn't be as the whole metal part was gone - just had plastic
left over.
 Looked in the house at lunch to no avail.
 However, found it in the trunk lock so now back to square one. Time to
make some wooden key heads to replace the
 plastic.

 Randy

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 ...and not broken off in the ignition.
 BillR

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 Subject: [MBZ] Keys!

 This morning I got into my car in the garage and went to put the key in
the
 ignition switch. No key! Just the
 plastic piece left. Got to love those silly soft plastic key tops. Started
 to make a wooden blank replacement a
 while back but never finished. I guess now I will be making 2 - assuming I
 find the other key. Think it must be
 close by as I have not driven the car since Sunday evening - rained here
the
 past 2 days so I drove the Supercrew
 and left the MB in the garage. Hope the metal part of the key is in one of
 my pockets somewhere in the house - or
 maybe on the floor in the car somewhere.

 Randy





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