Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Chris James]

That's great to hear!!! I had thought the damage may have been to severe 
to fix. Hopefully things will turn out OK & you'll be able to keep it!



On 6/7/2013 2:34 AM, clay wrote:

I may have won this battle.  The war continues.  Got the E300 headed
to the shop on the 17th.  Found a PnP 95 in green with the bumper and
fender, so all it will need is respray.  Should be able to pull it in
under $2k.



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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Max]

Oh, I misread, you want 10k or so?  Hard to justify with out the original drive 
train.
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Max  wrote:

>Too low, ignore the bottom feeders found here, ask 8 and maybe come
>down.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Heirloom plants - was:Chipper/Shreaders

[Andrew Strasfogel]

These were mostly new varieties I hadn't tried before,


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> >
> > At least half my tomato seed packets refused to
> > germinate this year.  They were not all from the same company,
> > either.  We had a very cool early spring so that may have something
> > to do with it.
>
> If you are growing heirloom plants - why are you not seed saving?
> Tomatoes are especially easy and by saving the seeds from the plants
> that do well in _your_ garden, you are optimizing them for _you_.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Mitch Haley]

Max wrote:

Oh, I misread, you want 10k or so?  Hard to justify with out the original drive 
train.


Who checks engine numbers anyway?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Dan Penoff]

And they have the "majik drawers", I.e., the little pull out drawers with all 
the strange and unique hardware.

Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Max  wrote:

> Ditto on local Ace hardware.  Prices are a little higher, but there actually 
> is service!
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> 
> Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes
>> away (I have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in
>> two directions) and they have nearly everything I need unless it's
>> really unique.
>> 
>> Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time
>> I go there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only
>> reason I get to go there was because I brought home popcorn
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about
>> price. As long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would
>> buy. Well of course if your prices are super low you can't afford good
>> help so they got rid of anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth
>> breathers who would work for no wages. As soon as anybody got any kind
>> of smart they left for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>> Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and
>> we're left with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is
>> done, JC Penny is done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I
>> don't understand. I come out of those places angry every time. The only
>> reason I go is because often I don't know what I'm talking about and
>> its easy to browse.
>>> 
>>> The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer
>> service. We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our
>> farm. When you order lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you
>> and picks out your materials. Its that extra service that makes me want
>> to go there. If I don't know exactly what I want the salesperson goes
>> out with me and shows me the options. Its a great place and they're
>> doing great business because of it.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Dan Penoff]

eBay. Crazy prices there. Push the WVO aspect.

Dan who just got charged $47 for selling $365 worth of stuff on eBay last month

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On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Max  wrote:

> Oh, I misread, you want 10k or so?  Hard to justify with out the original 
> drive train.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> 
> Max  wrote:
> 
>> Too low, ignore the bottom feeders found here, ask 8 and maybe come
>> down.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Dan Penoff]

I don't understand all the fuss. This was well known 5-6 years ago, when the 
guy from AT&T came forward and revealed the splitters that the NSA had 
installed on AT&T's backbones.

I am waiting to see how this pans out with the service providers, like 
Facebook, Google and Apple. Were they being hacked by the NSA or were they 
willing participants? I suspect they participated, especially since Apple 
allegedly didn't come on board until after Jobs died. He would never have 
agreed to something like this

Based on things I have witnessed over the years, I am not at all surprised.

Dan

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On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:30 AM, clay  wrote:

> Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> 
>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and 
>> effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, 
>> and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or 
>> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the 
>> persons or things to be seized.
>> 
>> 
>> --R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:00 PM, "Michael Esh"  wrote:

> I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes.


And how do you get the oil that you use?

Rick
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[MBZ] OT - Cisco Certification

[Dan Penoff]

Anyone here have a Cisco certification - CCNA, CCNP, etc.?

If so, would you drop me a line off list?

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Rich Thomas]

Andrea was a good visitor, came for a couple of hours, didn't cause any 
problems, and left.  Hardly worth noticing, but the weathergasms continue.


--R


On 6/6/13 10:04 PM, Max wrote:

Our rain has ended.  I couldn't work up the excitement to test our generator, 
most I could do was pull the garbage and recycling into the garage for the 
night.



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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Smith, Todd]

I certainly thought that the link was very interesting and hopefully the graph 
presented is accurate.  I know that Frybrid is well respected and I assume 
until proven otherwise that they are honest.  The graph that I saw from a 
soybean farmer seemed to show that at 180 deg F that the oil that he had was 
still pretty thick and not close to No.2 in viscosity.

Certainly, if SVO works for you then by all means continue.  For me, Biodiesel 
made more sense for my situation but YMMV.
 
Thanks for the information.

Todd



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm

I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel 
viscosity. Frybrid is the company from which I purchased my WVO system.  The 
only item I have replaced is the temperature sensor that sends the signal to 
the controller that initiates the switchover valve to begin using the vegetable 
oil fuel system.  Frybrid replaced the sensor without question.  
To those interested the site also contains a multitude of data and information 
concerning the use vegetable oil as a fuel in diesel engines.  I do not have 
practical experience with any other WVO systems, however I read extensively 
about the other systems available and decided this was my best option.  That 
said, I am replacing my fuel injection pump on my 84 300D with just over (to 
the best of my knowledge)300,000 miles on it. 

I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes.  I like saving some money, 
helping the environment in a very small way, the challenge of keeping it 
working, and most of the all, the smell of veg oil in the morning. It smells 
like..well, chicken, shrimp, french fries, or fish.  It all depends on 
where I picked up the oil.

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Max]

A little wind at our place.   May test the generator anyway this weekend, and 
change the oil, it's been a couple years since the last test.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>Andrea was a good visitor, came for a couple of hours, didn't cause any
>
>problems, and left.  Hardly worth noticing, but the weathergasms
>continue.
>
>--R
>
>
>On 6/6/13 10:04 PM, Max wrote:
>> Our rain has ended.  I couldn't work up the excitement to test our
>generator, most I could do was pull the garbage and recycling into the
>garage for the night.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Max]

I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target conservatives, this 
level of access by any federal agency is now pretty alarming.

Seems all that is needed is for a political appointee to declare that a group 
is a "domestic terrorist threat" and the courts rubber stamp and then DHS is 
reading your email and listening to your conversations and then sharing with 
the political powers in office and when it's finally discovered some low level 
hacks get sacked, but the election is already won so the buck ends when your 
taxes go up and your liberty goes down.
-- 
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Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>I don't understand all the fuss. This was well known 5-6 years ago,
>when the guy from AT&T came forward and revealed the splitters that the
>NSA had installed on AT&T's backbones.
>
>I am waiting to see how this pans out with the service providers, like
>Facebook, Google and Apple. Were they being hacked by the NSA or were
>they willing participants? I suspect they participated, especially
>since Apple allegedly didn't come on board until after Jobs died. He
>would never have agreed to something like this
>
>Based on things I have witnessed over the years, I am not at all
>surprised.
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:30 AM, clay  wrote:
>
>> Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>> 
>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
>papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall
>not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
>supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
>to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Jon Agne]

and Republicans.(or anyone, for that matter)

On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Max wrote:

> I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target conservatives, 
> this level of access by any federal agency is now pretty alarming.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Max]

Aye!
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Jon Agne  wrote:

>and Republicans.(or anyone, for that matter)
>
>On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Max wrote:
>
>> I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target
>conservatives, this level of access by any federal agency is now pretty
>alarming.
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Rich Thomas]

That could never happen, we have elected and appointed officials looking 
out for us, and plus it would be for our own good, to keep us safe.


--R


On 6/7/13 10:46 AM, Max wrote:
 Seems all that is needed is for a political appointee to declare that 
a group is a "domestic terrorist threat" and the courts rubber stamp and 
then DHS is reading your email and listening to your conversations and 
then sharing with the political powers in office and when it's finally 
discovered some low level hacks get sacked, but the election is already 
won so the buck ends when your taxes go up and your liberty goes down.



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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Randy Bennell]

I am 61. No real plans to retire so long as I stay fairly healthy.

Randy


On 06/06/2013 4:19 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

That would mean you are probably close to retirement age.  Do you plan to
retire or keep working?  Anyway, congratulations on a long and successful
marriage.
Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 
My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first 
date

today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some
place with a good steak.
Randy




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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Randy Bennell]

At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.
Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some 
nice big rims with skinny tires?


Randy

On 06/06/2013 7:26 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Aw geez..purists.  It's his and maybe it's not the end, or so sad.
Might be a really nice ride that he gets years of fun out of.

Mike
On Jun 6, 2013 8:07 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:


To a beautiful W110:


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440

If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Randy Bennell]

Well at the risk of opening a can of worms, I can tell you that a friend 
recently acquired a 2000 Lexus LS400 and really loves it.
They had an E430 4matic that his wife drove. He liked it but she did not 
- thought it too big. He thinks he likes this one a lot more - at least 
in party because it was much less expensive. It has about 180K miles and 
he paid $3700. He has since done some work on the suspension - ball 
joints etc but he likes it and it looks good.


Randy

On 07/06/2013 1:34 AM, clay wrote:

I may have won this battle.  The war continues.  Got the E300 headed to the 
shop on the 17th.  Found a PnP 95 in green with the bumper and fender, so all 
it will need is respray.  Should be able to pull it in under $2k.

Then SWMBA will demand that the car be sold so that a new bucket of problems on 
wheels can be had.  She is leaning toward oriental cars.  I remain unwilling to 
visit any dealer lots.

clay


On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee that
even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it a
day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car payment
money...lol

Mikd
On Jun 6, 2013 1:45 AM, "clay"  wrote:


At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the
E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug
up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.
What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?


clay

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html



http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html


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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

Lowe's and Menard's do pretty well on that sort of thing too. I am 
amazed at what there is in those cabinets.
I need to find some small screws for the gauges on the oxy acet (how 
does one spell that other gas?) setup. There are two little brass screws 
holding the housing to the stem on each and a couple of them are missing.
My son and I just picked up a small set from his girl's uncle. Best part 
is we own the tanks. Don't use them enough to justify renting tanks so 
it was nice to get a set that won't matter in that regard. Tanks are 
something like 30 to 36 inches tall so not the wee ones but not the full 
sized ones either.


Randy

On 07/06/2013 6:06 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

And they have the "majik drawers", I.e., the little pull out drawers with all 
the strange and unique hardware.

Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Max  wrote:


Ditto on local Ace hardware.  Prices are a little higher, but there actually is 
service!
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Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:


That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes
away (I have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in
two directions) and they have nearly everything I need unless it's
really unique.

Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time
I go there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only
reason I get to go there was because I brought home popcorn

Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about

price. As long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would
buy. Well of course if your prices are super low you can't afford good
help so they got rid of anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth
breathers who would work for no wages. As soon as anybody got any kind
of smart they left for greener pastures.

Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and

we're left with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is
done, JC Penny is done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I
don't understand. I come out of those places angry every time. The only
reason I go is because often I don't know what I'm talking about and
its easy to browse.

The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer

service. We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our
farm. When you order lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you
and picks out your materials. Its that extra service that makes me want
to go there. If I don't know exactly what I want the salesperson goes
out with me and shows me the options. Its a great place and they're
doing great business because of it.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Randy Bennell]

On 07/06/2013 1:42 AM, clay wrote:

Sadly she is practical and thrifty.  For her upcoming birthday all she wants is the house 
to be clean.  WTF!?!   Cash is something to be hoarded in her mind.  I wait patiently 
until her "new" car falls apart in a year or so.  Then again, she is going to 
sell that and move to Alaska, where she will drive some other conveyance.   Getting that 
thing will be a whole other crate of worms


clay




You mentioned this bit before. Are you going to Alaska too?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Dan Penoff]

My brother got a one owner driven by an old lady to church Lexus LS300 or 400 a 
year or so ago. I rode in it last time I was there.

Very MB-like in that the ride and car were very solid, controls were well 
thought out, etc.

He has had very little trouble or work on it. Says its been a great car and is 
very reliable.

He got it through an auction buddy who trolls the local car auctions for stuff 
like this.

Dan

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On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> 
> Well at the risk of opening a can of worms, I can tell you that a friend 
> recently acquired a 2000 Lexus LS400 and really loves it.
> They had an E430 4matic that his wife drove. He liked it but she did not - 
> thought it too big. He thinks he likes this one a lot more - at least in 
> party because it was much less expensive. It has about 180K miles and he paid 
> $3700. He has since done some work on the suspension - ball joints etc but he 
> likes it and it looks good.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 07/06/2013 1:34 AM, clay wrote:
>> I may have won this battle.  The war continues.  Got the E300 headed to the 
>> shop on the 17th.  Found a PnP 95 in green with the bumper and fender, so 
>> all it will need is respray.  Should be able to pull it in under $2k.
>> 
>> Then SWMBA will demand that the car be sold so that a new bucket of problems 
>> on wheels can be had.  She is leaning toward oriental cars.  I remain 
>> unwilling to visit any dealer lots.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>> 
>>> Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee that
>>> even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it a
>>> day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car payment
>>> money...lol
>>> 
>>> Mikd
>>> On Jun 6, 2013 1:45 AM, "clay"  wrote:
>>> 
 At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the
 E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug
 up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.
 What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
 
 
 clay
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html
 
 
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html
 
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Craig]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:24:57 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> That could never happen, we have elected and appointed officials
> looking out for us, and plus it would be for our own good, to keep us
> safe.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin's Contributions to the Conference on
 February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775



He that lieth down with Dogs, shall rise up with Fleas.
- Benjamin Franklin



> On 6/7/13 10:46 AM, Max wrote:
>   Seems all that is needed is for a political appointee to declare that 
> a group is a "domestic terrorist threat" and the courts rubber stamp
> and then DHS is reading your email and listening to your conversations
> and then sharing with the political powers in office and when it's
> finally discovered some low level hacks get sacked, but the election is
> already won so the buck ends when your taxes go up and your liberty
> goes down.

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[WILTON]

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT



I am 61. No real plans to retire so long as I stay fairly healthy.

Randy


On 06/06/2013 4:19 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

That would mean you are probably close to retirement age.  Do you plan to
retire or keep working?  Anyway, congratulations on a long and successful
marriage.
Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 
My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first 
date

today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some
place with a good steak.
Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[WILTON]

Acetylene?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sears service?


Lowe's and Menard's do pretty well on that sort of thing too. I am amazed 
at what there is in those cabinets.
I need to find some small screws for the gauges on the oxy acet (how does 
one spell that other gas?) setup. There are two little brass screws 
holding the housing to the stem on each and a couple of them are missing.
My son and I just picked up a small set from his girl's uncle. Best part 
is we own the tanks. Don't use them enough to justify renting tanks so it 
was nice to get a set that won't matter in that regard. Tanks are 
something like 30 to 36 inches tall so not the wee ones but not the full 
sized ones either.


Randy

On 07/06/2013 6:06 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
And they have the "majik drawers", I.e., the little pull out drawers with 
all the strange and unique hardware.


Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Max  wrote:

Ditto on local Ace hardware.  Prices are a little higher, but there 
actually is service!

--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:


That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes
away (I have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in
two directions) and they have nearly everything I need unless it's
really unique.

Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time
I go there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only
reason I get to go there was because I brought home popcorn

Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about

price. As long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would
buy. Well of course if your prices are super low you can't afford good
help so they got rid of anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth
breathers who would work for no wages. As soon as anybody got any kind
of smart they left for greener pastures.

Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and

we're left with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is
done, JC Penny is done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I
don't understand. I come out of those places angry every time. The only
reason I go is because often I don't know what I'm talking about and
its easy to browse.

The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer

service. We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our
farm. When you order lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you
and picks out your materials. Its that extra service that makes me want
to go there. If I don't know exactly what I want the salesperson goes
out with me and shows me the options. Its a great place and they're
doing great business because of it.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

On 07/06/2013 11:15 AM, WILTON wrote:

Acetylene?

Wilton

-

Very good.

An ATTABOY for you too!

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Craig]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:55:17 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:

> Lowe's and Menard's do pretty well on that sort of thing too. I am 
> amazed at what there is in those cabinets.
> I need to find some small screws for the gauges on the oxy acet (how 
> does one spell that other gas?) 

Acetylene -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene



> Best part is we own the tanks. Don't use them enough to justify renting
> tanks so it was nice to get a set that won't matter in that regard.
> Tanks are something like 30 to 36 inches tall so not the wee ones but
> not the full sized ones either.

I own a wee acetylene tank. I also own an oxygen tank. In getting a wee
one filled in Colorado Springs, the supplier gave me a mid-sized one, so
that's what I now have. In using the setup for cutting steel, one uses
more oxygen than acetylene, so that works out well.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

On 07/06/2013 11:28 AM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:55:17 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:


Lowe's and Menard's do pretty well on that sort of thing too. I am
amazed at what there is in those cabinets.
I need to find some small screws for the gauges on the oxy acet (how
does one spell that other gas?)

Acetylene -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene




Best part is we own the tanks. Don't use them enough to justify renting
tanks so it was nice to get a set that won't matter in that regard.
Tanks are something like 30 to 36 inches tall so not the wee ones but
not the full sized ones either.

I own a wee acetylene tank. I also own an oxygen tank. In getting a wee
one filled in Colorado Springs, the supplier gave me a mid-sized one, so
that's what I now have. In using the setup for cutting steel, one uses
more oxygen than acetylene, so that works out well.


Craig

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Yes, usually the oxy tank is bigger.
My father had a set and owned the black tank but not the red one.
We sold them shortly after his passing as I did not think I needed them.
My son Tom is a mechanic so he uses that sort of thing all the time to 
persuade rusted bolts etc.
When he mentioned that uncle Al had numerous rigs and had offered him 
one, I elected to pay half and we now have them.

Need to get them filled so we could use them.
I would like to pick up some more parts as well. The only thing we have 
is the cutting torch. Tom says that works fine for heating things and we 
don't need the others unless I want to weld with it. Still would be good 
to have around.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 7, 2013 8:38 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>
> I am 61. No real plans to retire so
> long as I stay fairly healthy.

Does anyone really retire at 65 anymore?  It made sense when the average
lifespan was 70-75 or so, but these days depending on your genes and
lifestyle you could easily keep going 20-30 years from "standard"
retirement age.

Personally, I will be 41 next week and don't feel a day over 30.  I just
read recently that for men your grandfathers' lifespans are the best
predictor of your own.  Both of my grandfathers lived to be over 90 and
kept working up until just a few years before they passed on.  So I think
I've got plenty of time ahead of me...

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Craig]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:34:26 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:

> Need to get them filled so we could use them.

You might need to have them pressure tested before a vendor will fill
them. I think I'm in that situation.


> I would like to pick up some more parts as well. The only thing we have 
> is the cutting torch. Tom says that works fine for heating things and
> we don't need the others unless I want to weld with it. Still would be
> good to have around.

I prefer arc welding for the extreme amount of heat it can put into
metal, but there are suituations where gas welding is better, like for
sheet metal and when you don't have electric power available.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[G Mann]

"The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the blood of
despots and free men."

Patrick Henry


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:30 PM, clay  wrote:

> Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think
>
> clay
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
> > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported
> by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> >
> >
> > --R
> >
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Mike Esh]

I use three small suppliers.  one golf course and two restaurants. I average 
between 20 and 30 gallons  a week.

Michael E. Esh
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On Jun 07, 2013, at 08:20 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:


On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:00 PM, "Michael Esh"  wrote:

> I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes.


And how do you get the oil that you use?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Craig]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:28:36 -0600 Craig  wrote:

I forgot about brazing:

> Acetylene -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene

Welding
Approximately 20 percent of acetylene is consumed for oxyacetylene gas
welding and cutting due to the high temperature of the flame; combustion
of acetylene with oxygen produces a flame of over 3600 K (3300 °C,
6000 °F), releasing 11.8 kJ/g. Oxyacetylene is the hottest burning common
fuel gas.[11] Acetylene is the third hottest natural chemical flame after
dicyanoacetylene's 5260 K (4990 °C, 9010 °F) and cyanogen at 4798 K
(4525°C, 8180 °F). Oxy-acetylene welding was a very popular welding
process in previous decades; however, the development and advantages of
arc-based welding processes have made oxy-fuel welding nearly extinct for
many applications. Acetylene usage for welding has dropped significantly.
On the other hand, oxy-acetylene welding equipment is quite versatile –
not only because the torch is preferred for some sorts of iron or steel
welding (as in certain artistic applications), but also because it lends
itself easily to brazing, braze-welding, metal heating (for annealing or
tempering, bending or forming), the loosening of corroded nuts and bolts,
and other applications. Bell Canada cable repair technicians still use
portable acetylene fueled torch kits as a soldering tool for sealing lead
sleeve splices in manholes and in some aerial locations. Oxyacetylene
welding may also be used in areas where electricity is not readily
accessible. As well, oxy-fuel cutting is still very popular and
oxy-acetylene cutting is utilized in nearly every metal fabrication shop.
For use in welding and cutting, the working pressures must be controlled
by a regulator, since above 15 psi[12] acetylene will oligomerize
explosively.

11. Acetylene, BOC
http://www.boc.com/products_and_services/by_product/acetylene/index.asp

12. http://www.c-f-c.com/specgas_products/acetylene.htm

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Benz Hogs]

What stops you from composting them together?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/5/2013 1:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Does that include the freedom to compost cat litter along with vegetal
table scraps, leaves, shredded paper, grass clippings and other natural
resources?

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


That's the beauty of freedom, Andrew. You don't have to if you don't want
to.

Mitch.

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I agree except for the first part.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield 
wrote:


That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at

whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much
more
polite (respectful) society.

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Michael Canfield]

Same was said about my friend and neighbor when he bought an all original
33 Chevy coupe to build a street rod.  Now he drives a gorgeous coupe with
modern suspension and drivetrain worth around $50k.

Mike
On Jun 6, 2013 10:10 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> You're right Dan... its sad to see a good original car "customized" to
> death.  Value is in originality.  Next step for this car will be the junk
> yard, almost certainly.  Most folks lack the skill to make all the details
> of such a conversion work.  If the same money and effort was put into the
> original drivetrain, the owner would have something impressive
> and desirable.  And valuable.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > To a beautiful W110:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440
> >
> > If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I had 2" in my back yard rain gauge (NW D.C.) by 7 AM today, with another
2" expected.  This is NOT a trivial amount.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Max  wrote:

> A little wind at our place.   May test the generator anyway this weekend,
> and change the oil, it's been a couple years since the last test.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>
> >Andrea was a good visitor, came for a couple of hours, didn't cause any
> >
> >problems, and left.  Hardly worth noticing, but the weathergasms
> >continue.
> >
> >--R
> >
> >
> >On 6/6/13 10:04 PM, Max wrote:
> >> Our rain has ended.  I couldn't work up the excitement to test our
> >generator, most I could do was pull the garbage and recycling into the
> >garage for the night.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

I don't think they will fill them.
I am guessing that they will just swap me for a different set, but I 
have not yet checked.

That is what they do with the tank for the MIG welder.

We have an AC stick welder as well as the MIG and now gas. The one issue 
I have is a lack of power in my garage. I really need to upgrade the 
feed from the house and the main panel in the house.
I only have 100 Amp at the house and 30 Amp at the garage at the moment. 
That limits the amount of power to the stick welder and means I cannot 
run things like the compressor at the same time as the welder.


Randy

On 07/06/2013 11:51 AM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:34:26 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:


Need to get them filled so we could use them.

You might need to have them pressure tested before a vendor will fill
them. I think I'm in that situation.



I would like to pick up some more parts as well. The only thing we have
is the cutting torch. Tom says that works fine for heating things and
we don't need the others unless I want to weld with it. Still would be
good to have around.

I prefer arc welding for the extreme amount of heat it can put into
metal, but there are suituations where gas welding is better, like for
sheet metal and when you don't have electric power available.


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Andrew Strasfogel]

My son's Lexus isf is a very scary but totally awesome ride.

http://www.edmunds.com/lexus/is-f/2012/?mktcat=lexus-is-f-spec&kw=lexus+isf+specs&mktid=ga48393484&gclid=CLG0x9rI0rcCFWhp7AodqiEAnA

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> My brother got a one owner driven by an old lady to church Lexus LS300 or
> 400 a year or so ago. I rode in it last time I was there.
>
> Very MB-like in that the ride and car were very solid, controls were well
> thought out, etc.
>
> He has had very little trouble or work on it. Says its been a great car
> and is very reliable.
>
> He got it through an auction buddy who trolls the local car auctions for
> stuff like this.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
> >
> > Well at the risk of opening a can of worms, I can tell you that a friend
> recently acquired a 2000 Lexus LS400 and really loves it.
> > They had an E430 4matic that his wife drove. He liked it but she did not
> - thought it too big. He thinks he likes this one a lot more - at least in
> party because it was much less expensive. It has about 180K miles and he
> paid $3700. He has since done some work on the suspension - ball joints etc
> but he likes it and it looks good.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > On 07/06/2013 1:34 AM, clay wrote:
> >> I may have won this battle.  The war continues.  Got the E300 headed to
> the shop on the 17th.  Found a PnP 95 in green with the bumper and fender,
> so all it will need is respray.  Should be able to pull it in under $2k.
> >>
> >> Then SWMBA will demand that the car be sold so that a new bucket of
> problems on wheels can be had.  She is leaning toward oriental cars.  I
> remain unwilling to visit any dealer lots.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee
> that
> >>> even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call
> it a
> >>> day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car
> payment
> >>> money...lol
> >>>
> >>> Mikd
> >>> On Jun 6, 2013 1:45 AM, "clay"  wrote:
> >>>
>  At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for
> the
>  E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a
> bug
>  up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my
> taste.
>  What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
> 
> 
>  clay
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html
> 
> 
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html
> 
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html
> 
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html
> 
> 
>  http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Yes, all are mingled, layered and occasionally mixed together.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> What stops you from composting them together?
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)
>
> On 6/5/2013 1:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Does that include the freedom to compost cat litter along with vegetal
>> table scraps, leaves, shredded paper, grass clippings and other natural
>> resources?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>> That's the beauty of freedom, Andrew. You don't have to if you don't want
>>> to.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree except for the first part.

 On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield >>>
> wrote:
>

 That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at

> whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much
> more
> polite (respectful) society.
>
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Dieselhead]

At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.
Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some 
nice big rims with skinny tires?


Randy


True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[WILTON]

"Poor" fella can't figure out what to do 'cause his rims are too 
wide/offset.

'Don't think that's that's not quite right.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Sad End






At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.
Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some nice 
big rims with skinny tires?


Randy


True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Fmiser]

> G Mann  wrote:
> 
> "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the
> blood of despots and free men."
> 
> Patrick Henry

Patrick Henry had some good quotes - but I think that one is from a
letter written by Thomas Jefferson to Colonel William Smith November
13, 1787.

This was in reference to Shay's rebellion, in which farmers of
Massachusetts were rebelling because their farms were being confiscated
for unpaid taxes.  Massachusetts would not accept paper money for
taxes, which is how the revolutionary war veterans had been paid.
These farmers found it unjust that money paid them for services to the
country couldn't be used for debts to the country.

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_tree_of_liberty...%28Quotation%29
http://www.stonefortconsulting.com/2011/11/thomas-jefferson-and-shays-rebellion-a-review/

   "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which
is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of
the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such
misconceptions, it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the
public liberty. *snip* The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its
natural manure.”

Jefferson also wrote to James Madison 

   "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as
necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the
encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them.
An observation of this truth should render honest republican
governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to
discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound
health of government."


--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Randy Bennell]

On 07/06/2013 1:20 PM, Dieselhead wrote:




At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.
Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some 
nice big rims with skinny tires?


Randy


True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

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I sometimes think that the wheel openings in some of the older vehicles 
look a bit empty.
I am no fan of the silly wheels we sometimes see on things like 
Escalades but even Honda Civics come from the factory with 16" wheels 
nowadays.


I don't think my 115 would look silly with bundts and there is a wider 
selection of 15" tires available.


Randy who has hubcaps



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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 07/06/2013 1:20 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.
>>> Could be a whole lot worse.
>>> How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some
>>> nice big rims with skinny tires?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>
>> True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.
>>
>> __**_
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> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> I sometimes think that the wheel openings in some of the older vehicles
> look a bit empty.
> I am no fan of the silly wheels we sometimes see on things like Escalades
> but even Honda Civics come from the factory with 16" wheels nowadays.
>
> I don't think my 115 would look silly with bundts and there is a wider
> selection of 15" tires available.
>
> Randy who has hubcaps
>
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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[WILTON]

Yep.

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:41 PM
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Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 07/06/2013 1:20 PM, Dieselhead wrote:




At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.

Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some
nice big rims with skinny tires?

Randy



True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

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I am no fan of the silly wheels we sometimes see on things like Escalades
but even Honda Civics come from the factory with 16" wheels nowadays.

I don't think my 115 would look silly with bundts and there is a wider
selection of 15" tires available.

Randy who has hubcaps



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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Randy Bennell]

Ooooh! Just wait til I get my 22's.

Randy


On 07/06/2013 2:59 PM, WILTON wrote:

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Sad End



Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell  
wrote:



On 07/06/2013 1:20 PM, Dieselhead wrote:




At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.

Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some
nice big rims with skinny tires?

Randy



True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

__**_



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I sometimes think that the wheel openings in some of the older vehicles
look a bit empty.
I am no fan of the silly wheels we sometimes see on things like 
Escalades

but even Honda Civics come from the factory with 16" wheels nowadays.

I don't think my 115 would look silly with bundts and there is a wider
selection of 15" tires available.

Randy who has hubcaps







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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[WILTON]

Uhmm-hmm.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 4:26 PM
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Ooooh! Just wait til I get my 22's.

Randy


On 07/06/2013 2:59 PM, WILTON wrote:

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Sad End



Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell  
wrote:



On 07/06/2013 1:20 PM, Dieselhead wrote:




At least it is an MB engine and he is using MB wheels.

Could be a whole lot worse.
How about a nice big block Chevy with a blower out the hood and some
nice big rims with skinny tires?

Randy



True, but 16" wheels on a car shipped with 13" is ridiculous.

__**_



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I sometimes think that the wheel openings in some of the older vehicles
look a bit empty.
I am no fan of the silly wheels we sometimes see on things like 
Escalades

but even Honda Civics come from the factory with 16" wheels nowadays.

I don't think my 115 would look silly with bundts and there is a wider
selection of 15" tires available.

Randy who has hubcaps







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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Dieselhead]

Yes, people will pay that for frods and shoveys, but this 110 200 
will be worth $300 when he is done, because only a junkyard will buy 
it.





Same was said about my friend and neighbor when he bought an all original
33 Chevy coupe to build a street rod.  Now he drives a gorgeous coupe with
modern suspension and drivetrain worth around $50k.

Mike
On Jun 6, 2013 10:10 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:


 You're right Dan... its sad to see a good original car "customized" to

 > death.


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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Dieselhead]

I had 2" in my back yard rain gauge (NW D.C.) by 7 AM today, with another
2" expected.  This is NOT a trivial amount.


It would have been way more fun if that had been snow.  About 48" of 
snow in DC in june would have protected us all (from congressional 
mischief)  for about a week.


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[MBZ] OT - Sondy tale

[WILTON]

How 'bout anther Sondy tale?

SPEAKING DANISH
By Wilton Strickland

For the first few days I was at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland in February, 
1978,  occasionally, whenever I would ask a Danish contractor engineer or 
workman a question about the progress of a particular project or work, he 
would turn to another Dane and start discussing it in Danish while I stood 
silently nearby.  I began to get a bit impatient with such as this and 
would, after a couple of minutes, break into their conversation with, 
"Please, pardon me, so what's the answer?"  A couple of times they even 
acted surprised that I was still there.  After a few days of this, I went to 
the base library and checked out a Danish-English text book and some 
Danish-English instruction tapes and started studying hard every night.  I've 
always found learning foreign languages easy and enjoyable, and so was this.


After several nights of intense study, I walked into the Danish engineers' 
office area one morning and greeted them very nonchalantly with, "Godmorgen; 
hvordan har du det?"  (Good morning, how are you?)  The Danish secretary 
immediately replied without any pause, "Jai har de godt, og du?  (I'm doing 
very well, and you?)  I quickly replied, "Jai har de godt, tak."  (I'm doing 
very well, thank you.)  Meanwhile a couple of the Danish engineers nearby 
had overheard us and chimed in with, "Uh-oh, we're in trouble now!  He's 
speaking Danish!"


My Danish studies progressed rapidly with the help and interest of all the 
Danes with whom I had close contact.  They said that I was the only American 
they had met who showed any interest in their native language.  Several of 
them told me that I spoke Danish with a Norwegian accent.  'Don't know how I 
got that, unless the lady on the instructional tape was Norwegian.


One morning, I asked the chief Dane, "Vil du hjaelpe mig med ordet 
fotografiaparat?"  (Will you help me with the word fotografiaparat?)  He 
replied, "Just say, 'Kodak' or 'kamera;' fotografiaparat is old fashioned; 
nobody says that any more."


I learned so fast and enjoyed it so well that I was soon able to discuss 
some aspects of our projects in Danish, all of us being careful not to let 
it be detrimental to the project, of course.  Occasionally, when I'd get 
stuck understanding a word they had used and begin to beg them to just tell 
me that word in English, they'd admonish me with, "You said you wanted to 
learn Danish.  'Best way to do it is to be forced to use it."  I'd reply, 
"Yes, I know, but I'm getting a headache; please, just tell me in English, 
so we can move on."  Then, they'd tell me in English, and I would most times 
exclaim, Oh, cefurlig!  (Certainly!)  We'd have a good laugh and move along. 
We quickly developed a lot of respect for each other.


During the first two weeks of December, on a trip to Denmark, I went out 
walking one evening and came upon a beautiful Christmas display in the, 
corner windows of a large, up-scale department store in downtown Copenhagen. 
The display featured Santa's workshop.  I've always thought that a 
German-speaking Santa would seem most appropriate.  This Santa (Jule Man, in 
Danish) and the elves were speaking and singing in Danish, of course, which 
sounded close enough to German to make it sound very authentic.  I was quite 
enthralled with the display.  Elves were busy at work building toys and 
singing Disney's "Whistle While You Work," while a little train traveled 
from work station to work station delivering toys and parts.  While standing 
watching and listening in awe, a plump, middle-age Danish lady walked up to 
me, a shopping bag in each hand, and made some remark about the display. 
Not understanding her, I replied, "Jai forstor du ikki; jai er Amerikaner." 
(I don't understand you; I'm an American.)  She viewed me with astonishment, 
put one of the shopping bags down in order to wave me aside more 
expressively with the free hand and proceeded with more Danish, including 
"Du er ikki Amerkaner!  Du er Danske!"  (You are not an American!  You are 
Danish!)  Again, I said,  "Cefurlig; Jai forstor du ikki; Jai er Amerikaner. 
Jai taller kun lit Danske."  (Really; I don't understand you; I'm an 
American. I speak only a little bit of Danish.)  Again, she began to 
admonish me for trying to impersonate an American and that I was just a 
crazy Dane or had had too much to drink, or something to that effect - I 
didn't understand all of it.  I then realized I had been telling her in 
pretty good Danish that I don't speak Danish and could not understand her. 
I turned facing her with my hands and arms spread slightly out to each side 
as if pleading and said, "Really, I'm an American; I don't understand you; I'm 
really an American, and I speak only a little Danish."  She turned away, and 
dismissed me with a final wave of her free hand, picked up her bag and went 
waddling off mumbling something about a "crazy American or a crazy Dane - 
who cares?  N

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, "Mike Esh"  wrote:

> I use three small suppliers.  one golf course and two restaurants. I average 
> between 20 and 30 gallons  a week.


How did you convince them to give/sell you their oil? Around here Mahoney 
http://mahoneyenvironmental.com/ seems to have a monopoly on yellow grease 
(WVO). 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:05 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> My brother got a one owner driven by an old lady to church Lexus LS300 or 400 
> a year or so ago. I rode in it last time I was there.
> 
> Very MB-like in that the ride and car were very solid, controls were well 
> thought out, etc.


I had read somewhere that the Lexus LS400 sedan was copied after the w126. 
Toyota bought one, took it apart bolt by bolt, and copied the suspension, etc. 
Not sure if there is any truth to that, but it does sound plausible. The 
Japanese were notorious for copying successful designs in the seventies and 
eighties, to the point of having lawsuits filed against them in some instances. 

A low milage Lexus LS400 would be a fine transportation appliance. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Craig]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:26:20 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:

> Ooooh! Just wait til I get my 22's.

You mean Long Rifle rimfires?  :-)


> >> Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.

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[MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Rich Thomas]

Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts 
 and we went back and forth a couple times, got 
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the 
pdf quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in 
orders.


I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who had 
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed the 
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in so it 
might be shipped that afternoon.


I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:


So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a tracking number or 
order status?

--R



On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:

I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon as I get back

Sent from my iPhone


It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, this past 
week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not going 
to get done.


This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others who have 
dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.


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[MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

Reminds me:  Trent, will I be getting a pdf invoice for the parts I ordered 
last Fri?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 5:41 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point



Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts 
 and we went back and forth a couple times, got some 
prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the pdf quote 
with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in orders.


I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who had 
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed the 
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in so it 
might be shipped that afternoon.


I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich 
Thomas  wrote:


So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a tracking 
number or order status?


--R



On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:
I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon as I get 
back


Sent from my iPhone


It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, this past 
week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not going to 
get done.


This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others who have 
dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

[Benz Hogs]

I've been around gardens since 1988, nearly always with the family cats 
that particularly enjoy the loose soil for a place to fertilize. My 
grandmother has been gardening for over 80 years.  When living on the 
farm, she generally had more than 10 cats, so there was plenty of cat 
$#it to go around.  It's good for the garden.  Hell, soil is mostly worm 
$#it and that doesn't kill us :)


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On 6/6/2013 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

For the record, I tilled in a binful of my cat-centric compost and planted
some cucumbers, with peppers and hopefully eggplant to follow.  If all goes
to plan, I will be a guinea pig for your theories about cat to human
transfer of toxoplasmosis, feline lukemia, or hairballs.



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM, MG  wrote:


Now now Andrew. Don't be so sensitive. We have discussed a pile of
different Sh*t.

Manfred


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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[OK Don]

Let's see - the Subaru was a copy of the German Goliath, the Datsun 1600
was a copy of the MGB or MGA - donT remember exactly now, what else?


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> I had read somewhere that the Lexus LS400 sedan was copied after the w126.
> Toyota bought one, took it apart bolt by bolt, and copied the suspension,
> etc. Not sure if there is any truth to that, but it does sound plausible.
> The Japanese were notorious for copying successful designs in the seventies
> and eighties, to the point of having lawsuits filed against them in some
> instances.
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Benz Hogs]

12 years too late, yes.  Remember when right wingers through up a fit 
when Prez Obama said something to the effect of not letting a good 
crisis go to waste in regard to heathcare?  Yea, Prez Bush had already 
screwed us.


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On 6/6/2013 5:04 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

--R wrote:

...but upon probable cause...


We are about a dozen years too late.
We shoulda thought about this whole privacy infringement thing when we
thought there was probable cause, i.e. 911.  We have been raised as
sheople too long - the deed is done.  Agencies have been mining data
with the same purpose for over a dozen years, and just now we want to
complain about infringement?  Too late!!

Why do we make this infringement such a big issue?
We are being played.  The sheople in us wants to blame the stupid
repugnants or the progressives but both sides are being played.  We
should be putting thought and rhetoric toward who is doing the playing
and what is the next move?  To put it in vernacular that should only
be at banned... We are $%&*)!!!
mao



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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Randy Bennell]

On 07/06/2013 4:28 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:26:20 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:


Ooooh! Just wait til I get my 22's.

You mean Long Rifle rimfires?  :-)



Randy, your car looks way better with hubcaps than bundts.


No, but there was a nice little Henry lever action 22 in the Cabela's 
flyer this week.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[OK Don]

*Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*


A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern
highlands of Bolivia.

Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape
and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.

The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos
Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.

He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.

A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for
fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's
funeral.

He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin
and filled the grave with earth.

Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km)
south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105





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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[G Mann]

Short trial, quick judgement, rapid execution... seems about right.

I'm sure he was read his Miranda rights and provided a public attorney
while being fed gourmet meals for 10 years while setting on death row
through the appeal process... just like here. Ohh.. and the TV movie and
book deals


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> *Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
> I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*
>
>
> A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern
> highlands of Bolivia.
>
> Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape
> and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
>
> The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos
> Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
>
> He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
>
> A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for
> fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's
> funeral.
>
> He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin
> and filled the grave with earth.
>
> Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km)
> south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Benz Hogs]

Yes, WVO can vary from 0.5% to 3-5% acidity in the testing I have done. 
 Generally the thicker the WVO, the higher the acidity, and the longer 
the WVO was used.


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On 5/28/2013 9:37 PM, G Mann wrote:

Little discussed it seems among the WVO crowd, but Vegetable oil used in
cooking becomes quite acidic. Many who use it, pay more attention to things
like filtering out the dead french fries and plastic fork bits, settling
and removing water, but little attention is given to the acid balance.

Food when cooked gives off water and chemicals which combine to make acids.
The very close tolerance Injection Pump parts require smooth surface finish
to achieve that close tolerance. Acid bath of the WVO accelerates the
erosion of those critical surface parts which degrades IP performance. The
failure path then compounds as surface condition further degrades.

The lure of cheap fuel overwhelms the need to titrate each batch of WVO and
neutralize the acid, filter, and de-water. WVO is good fuel, but it ain't
free. Pay up front.. or pay later with component replacement.

Grant...AZ



On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:


(Thanks to Jim for the suggestion and easiest trouble shooting method I

have ever used. )



'tweren't my idea, I was just commenting on your seeming lack
of acceptance of whomever's idea to douse it with cold water
as a diagnostic measure.  (It might have sailed by and been
missed.)

  Does this indicate a worn injection pump?




Replace w/good used.  And maybe think twice about your fueling
methodology?

I wonder if the culprit (excessive pump wear) is dissolved salt?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[OK Don]

I just hope that he was the actual perp -- trial by public opinioni is not
always effective at arriving at the truth.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Short trial, quick judgement, rapid execution... seems about right.
>
> I'm sure he was read his Miranda rights and provided a public attorney
> while being fed gourmet meals for 10 years while setting on death row
> through the appeal process... just like here. Ohh.. and the TV movie and
> book deals
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > *Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
> > I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*
> >
> >
> > A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the
> southern
> > highlands of Bolivia.
> >
> > Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape
> > and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
> >
> > The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized
> Santos
> > Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
> >
> > He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
> >
> > A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously
> for
> > fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the
> woman's
> > funeral.
> >
> > He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's
> coffin
> > and filled the grave with earth.
> >
> > Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km)
> > south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[G Mann]

I stand corrected.

Correct in thought, incorrect in origin. Thank you.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > G Mann  wrote:
> >
> > "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the
> > blood of despots and free men."
> >
> > Patrick Henry
>
> Patrick Henry had some good quotes - but I think that one is from a
> letter written by Thomas Jefferson to Colonel William Smith November
> 13, 1787.
>
> This was in reference to Shay's rebellion, in which farmers of
> Massachusetts were rebelling because their farms were being confiscated
> for unpaid taxes.  Massachusetts would not accept paper money for
> taxes, which is how the revolutionary war veterans had been paid.
> These farmers found it unjust that money paid them for services to the
> country couldn't be used for debts to the country.
>
>
> http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_tree_of_liberty...%28Quotation%29
>
> http://www.stonefortconsulting.com/2011/11/thomas-jefferson-and-shays-rebellion-a-review/
>
>"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
> The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which
> is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of
> the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such
> misconceptions, it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the
> public liberty. *snip* The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
> time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its
> natural manure.”
>
> Jefferson also wrote to James Madison
>
>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as
> necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
> Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the
> encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them.
> An observation of this truth should render honest republican
> governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to
> discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound
> health of government."
>
>
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Thanks for a voice of reason arising above all the superstition.
On Jun 7, 2013 5:50 PM, "Benz Hogs"  wrote:

> I've been around gardens since 1988, nearly always with the family cats
> that particularly enjoy the loose soil for a place to fertilize. My
> grandmother has been gardening for over 80 years.  When living on the farm,
> she generally had more than 10 cats, so there was plenty of cat $#it to go
> around.  It's good for the garden.  Hell, soil is mostly worm $#it and that
> doesn't kill us :)
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)
>
> On 6/6/2013 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> For the record, I tilled in a binful of my cat-centric compost and planted
>> some cucumbers, with peppers and hopefully eggplant to follow.  If all
>> goes
>> to plan, I will be a guinea pig for your theories about cat to human
>> transfer of toxoplasmosis, feline lukemia, or hairballs.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM, MG  wrote:
>>
>>  Now now Andrew. Don't be so sensitive. We have discussed a pile of
>>> different Sh*t.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Benz Hogs]

Virgin VO (VVO) has to be heated to 260F or higher to approach the 
viscosity of diesel.  See the bell curve chart here: 
http://bunkum.us/svo/viscosity.html  Biodiesel is the ONLY way to go.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 5/29/2013 8:34 AM, Smith, Todd wrote:

I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I 
certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes 
more sense in my situation.  All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates 
and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that viscosity is by and 
large the silent killer of IP.  Some of the tests that I have seen have shown 
SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal operating temperature for a 
properly warmed up system; showing viscosity far in excess of cold No.2 diesel.

Mike, you don't have to take my word for it.  When you get a chance, read the 
link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow;  
http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html .

Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and one 
for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs.  If 
there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel and 
would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts and 
Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have some 
effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue.  If you do test your viscosity, 
please report back since I would love to see if in your situation it is the 
same as has been reported in other places.

Thanks for your time.

Todd Smith


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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Benz Hogs]

Their chart is not matched anywhere else in the industry.  It's all 
marketing hype.  Use Google to find the industry research that proves 
Frybrid wrong.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/6/2013 9:00 PM, Michael Esh wrote:

http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm

I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel 
viscosity. Frybrid is the company from which I purchased my WVO system.  The 
only item I have replaced is the temperature sensor that sends the signal to 
the controller that initiates the switchover valve to begin using the vegetable 
oil fuel system.  Frybrid replaced the sensor without question.
To those interested the site also contains a multitude of data and information 
concerning the use vegetable oil as a fuel in diesel engines.  I do not have 
practical experience with any other WVO systems, however I read extensively 
about the other systems available and decided this was my best option.  That 
said, I am replacing my fuel injection pump on my 84 300D with just over (to 
the best of my knowledge)300,000 miles on it.

I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes.  I like saving some money, 
helping the environment in a very small way, the challenge of keeping it 
working, and most of the all, the smell of veg oil in the morning. It smells 
like..well, chicken, shrimp, french fries, or fish.  It all depends on 
where I picked up the oil.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Mitch Haley]

Benz Hogs wrote:
Virgin VO (VVO) has to be heated to 260F or higher to approach the 
viscosity of diesel.  See the bell curve chart here: 
http://bunkum.us/svo/viscosity.html  Biodiesel is the ONLY way to go.


The graph Mike Esh linked earlier seemed to say that SVO (of unnamed variety) at 
160° was comparable to #2 at -10°, or approaching gel point. I bet any temp you 
can get by heating SVO or WVO with engine coolant is going to be a good bit 
thicker than #2 at 100°.


Anyway, I hope the used pump Mike got from me works out. Shouldn't we be hearing 
the results soon?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Greg Fiorentino]

<< there are suituations where gas welding is better>>

Yeah, but torches sure cut steel fast!

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:34:26 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:

> Need to get them filled so we could use them.

You might need to have them pressure tested before a vendor will fill them.
I think I'm in that situation.


> I would like to pick up some more parts as well. The only thing we 
> have is the cutting torch. Tom says that works fine for heating things 
> and we don't need the others unless I want to weld with it. Still 
> would be good to have around.

I prefer arc welding for the extreme amount of heat it can put into metal,
but there are suituations where gas welding is better, like for sheet metal
and when you don't have electric power available.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy tale

[Dan Penoff]

There is an important lesson in here that I learned as a youngster who was able 
to travel outside the country:

When visiting other countries/cultures, follow some simple rules:

1.) Respect your host's culture. Never ridicule, disrespect, or dismiss their 
culture, language, country, etc.  Just because you're an American doesn't make 
you or your country better.

2.) Take a serious interest in your host's culture/language/country.  It shows 
a level of respect that they are due.

3.) Make an effort to participate, even if it means publicly humiliating 
yourself.

When I traveled as an adult, I went to great lengths to learn what I could 
about the country I would be visiting, including it's history, language, 
cultures, current events, etc.  The response you will get from people is 
nothing short of amazing when you show an even limited knowledge of them.  I 
can't count the number of times I was welcomed into complete stranger's homes 
to meet their families, neighbors, friends, and so on when I expressed an 
interest in knowing more about them.

I will say this:  It can be frightening at times.  Be adventuresome.  If you 
don't know the culture, you may be met with strange looks, gasps, whatever, if 
you act (by their norms) inappropriately.  All you can do is excuse yourself 
and move on.  In most cases, your host will help guide you through whatever the 
situation is - if you're gracious they'll understand you're a foreigner and 
forgive you.

By being accepting and understanding that others are just as good (or better) 
than we, you'll have some amazing experiences.  Some of the most exciting times 
and experiences I have ever had in my life were with people I didn't know and 
will never see again.  They made me feel welcome because I respected them and 
their culture.  And I learned some wonderful things about other peoples and 
places, too.

There is nothing worse than the "Ugly American" who goes to another country and 
expects things to be the same as they are back home.  After all, what's the 
point?

Dan with over 1,000,000 lifetime flight miles on Northwest alone



On Jun 7, 2013, at 5:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

> How 'bout anther Sondy tale?
> 
> SPEAKING DANISH
> By Wilton Strickland
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Dieselhead]

*Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*


A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern
highlands of Bolivia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105

--
OK Don
2013 F150
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1957 C182A


Don't get many repeat offenders with that kind of swift justice

Check out the life × of Judge Roy Bean.  Funny fictional movie 
based a-on a few shreds of fact.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Dieselhead]

I just hope that he was the actual perp -- trial by public opinioni is not
always effective at arriving at the truth.



Brings to mind Injun Joe, as well as some of the convicts of Roy 
Bean's court.   BUT the deterrent effect can't be argued.


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[MBZ] CL crackhead of the day Fwd: Re: 1992 MERCEDES 400E (ATLANTA/CONLEY)

[Rolf]

I told him I'd drive right on past him to pullapart around the corner and pay 
$160. $3200 for a subframe WTF?

-Rolf

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3200 if you take it out yourself call 678914-4011
 


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How much you want for the complete subframe?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Rich Thomas]

The Quechua are descendants of the Incas and pretty much have their own deal 
going on.  They appear not yet to have embraced the European concepts of 
justice.  

But hey, if it works for them, who are we to judge?  Just a cultural difference 
and celebrating diversity and practicing tolerance are worthy goals.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:19 PM, OK Don  wrote:

*Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*


A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern
highlands of Bolivia.

Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape
and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.

The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos
Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.

He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.

A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for
fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's
funeral.

He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin
and filled the grave with earth.

Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km)
south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105





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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Craig]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 15:52:32 -0700 "Greg Fiorentino"
 wrote:

> << there are suituations where gas welding is better>>
> 
> Yeah, but torches sure cut steel fast!

Indeed! But you do use a lot of oxygen doing it


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[MG]

Yeah I understand that Trent has been having a lot of problems 
with Worldparts in regards to shipping and pricing. Hopefully 
this will get fixed sooner rather than later. Not much fun on 
either side of an order.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:41:56 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 

Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts
 and we went back and forth a couple times, 
got
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not 
the
pdf quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I 
put in

orders.

I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri 
who had
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed 
the
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order 
in so it

might be shipped that afternoon.

I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich 
Thomas  wrote:


> > So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a 
tracking number or order status?

> >
> > --R
> >

On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:
> > I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon 
as I get back

> >
> > Sent from my iPhone

It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, 
this past
week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not 
going

to get done.

This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others 
who have

dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy tale

[WILTON]

I agree wholeheartedly.  I found that to be true not only in Greenland and 
Denmark, but also in Thailand, Japan and Mexico - even Ontario and Quebec 
;<).  It's always best to respect one's hosts and to be a good ambassador. 
I've always been quickly and fully respected and accepted immediately upon 
showing respect for and interest their culture and language.  That reminds 
me:  On a visit to Quebec City with family in '74, I walked up to hotel desk 
and asked for room(s), etc., with two or three flawless sentences in French. 
When the desk clerk's fast-paced response overwhelmed, me, I had to say, 
"I'm sorry, I've nearly expended my quick-response French, may we, please, 
revert to English, now?"  We both had a good laugh, and he replied, "Yes, of 
course, and I thank you for trying.  You were doing very well, by the way."


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy tale


There is an important lesson in here that I learned as a youngster who was 
able to travel outside the country:


When visiting other countries/cultures, follow some simple rules:

1.) Respect your host's culture. Never ridicule, disrespect, or dismiss 
their culture, language, country, etc.  Just because you're an American 
doesn't make you or your country better.


2.) Take a serious interest in your host's culture/language/country.  It 
shows a level of respect that they are due.


3.) Make an effort to participate, even if it means publicly humiliating 
yourself.


When I traveled as an adult, I went to great lengths to learn what I could 
about the country I would be visiting, including it's history, language, 
cultures, current events, etc.  The response you will get from people is 
nothing short of amazing when you show an even limited knowledge of them. 
I can't count the number of times I was welcomed into complete stranger's 
homes to meet their families, neighbors, friends, and so on when I 
expressed an interest in knowing more about them.


I will say this:  It can be frightening at times.  Be adventuresome.  If 
you don't know the culture, you may be met with strange looks, gasps, 
whatever, if you act (by their norms) inappropriately.  All you can do is 
excuse yourself and move on.  In most cases, your host will help guide you 
through whatever the situation is - if you're gracious they'll understand 
you're a foreigner and forgive you.


By being accepting and understanding that others are just as good (or 
better) than we, you'll have some amazing experiences.  Some of the most 
exciting times and experiences I have ever had in my life were with people 
I didn't know and will never see again.  They made me feel welcome because 
I respected them and their culture.  And I learned some wonderful things 
about other peoples and places, too.


There is nothing worse than the "Ugly American" who goes to another 
country and expects things to be the same as they are back home.  After 
all, what's the point?


Dan with over 1,000,000 lifetime flight miles on Northwest alone



On Jun 7, 2013, at 5:07 PM, WILTON wrote:


How 'bout anther Sondy tale?

SPEAKING DANISH
By Wilton Strickland




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Re: [MBZ] CL crackhead of the day Fwd: Re: 1992 MERCEDES 400E (ATLANTA/CONLEY)

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 7, 2013 4:55 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:
>
> I told him I'd drive right on past him
> to pullapart around the corner and
> pay $160. $3200 for a subframe WTF?

What's special about a 400E subframe?

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Rich Thomas]

We had a coupla inches on Wed eve, rained like hell for about 2 hours, but last 
night it rained for about 2 hours but not too hard.  Was not windy during the 
rain but quite breezy this morning.  Not much ado.

Perhaps it cleansed the  merde del gato from your garden?

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

I had 2" in my back yard rain gauge (NW D.C.) by 7 AM today, with another
2" expected.  This is NOT a trivial amount.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Max  wrote:

> A little wind at our place.   May test the generator anyway this weekend,
> and change the oil, it's been a couple years since the last test.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> 
> Rich Thomas  wrote:
> 
>> Andrea was a good visitor, came for a couple of hours, didn't cause any
>> 
>> problems, and left.  Hardly worth noticing, but the weathergasms
>> continue.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/6/13 10:04 PM, Max wrote:
>>> Our rain has ended.  I couldn't work up the excitement to test our
>> generator, most I could do was pull the garbage and recycling into the
>> garage for the night.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Mountain Man]

Alex wrote:
> Does anyone really retire at 65 anymore?

You know I will tell negative thoughts, so move on to another thread
if you don't like reality and negative.

Retire beyond 65 is wishful thinking today, unless you have a job that
you manage.  My last year of working was age 59, I'm sure - civil engg
support, i.e. AutoCad drawings.  From what Rick sez, civil engg is
dead.  From my friend at the company that let me go, dead.  There are
wy too many factors to enumerate in any comprehensive manner to do
justice to show how things are not my father's or my grandfather's
workplace.  To think retirement and living another 20 years comprises
hell in my book.  Die already - sounds good enough for me.  Things are
in greater flux socially and economically and politically and
religiously - moreso than any of us or any indoctrination, repugnant
or progressive will want to admit.  Media seems intent on the order of
keep the masses busy without thinking - tell them what to think.
Methinks we are being played.  What game? - dunno, but this jazz is
not what we expected nor is it what our families grew up knowing or
expecting.  Things are not static, nor are they going to remain as
they are, nor are they going to be recovered to a former golden age.
More bad stuff, negative stuff, not good - that is my opinion.  I am
almost 61, and I do not plan to ask my country to do for me, rather I
intend to do for my country.  What's that?  I do not intend to extend
life beyond what life is, but my mom is 88... so maybe I will be here
quite some time but no extraordinary junk to make things happen -
neither has my mom.  Oh well.  I think if we keep our heads in the
sand about the flux we live with, this junk will bite us in the butt -
and that is a reality whether we are of the repugnant persuasion or if
we are of the progressive persuasion.  What to do? - DIY seems the
best.  This is a good crew of people at okiebenz.  Sorry for the
negative thoughts.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy tale

[Dieselhead]

There is an important lesson in here that I learned as a youngster 
who was able to travel outside the country:


When visiting other countries/cultures, follow some simple rules:

1.) Respect your host's culture. Never ridicule, disrespect, or 
dismiss their culture, language, country, etc.  Just because you're 
an American doesn't make you or your country better.


2.) Take a serious interest in your host's culture/language/country. 
It shows a level of respect that they are due.


3.) Make an effort to participate, even if it means publicly 
humiliating yourself.


When I traveled as an adult, I went to great lengths to learn what I 
could about the country I would be visiting, including it's history, 
language, cultures, current events, etc.  The response you will get 
from people is nothing short of amazing when you show an even 
limited knowledge of them.  I can't count the number of times I was 
welcomed into complete stranger's homes to meet their families, 
neighbors, friends, and so on when I expressed an interest in 
knowing more about them.


I will say this:  It can be frightening at times.  Be adventuresome. 
If you don't know the culture, you may be met with strange looks, 
gasps, whatever, if you act (by their norms) inappropriately.  All 
you can do is excuse yourself and move on.  In most cases, your host 
will help guide you through whatever the situation is - if you're 
gracious they'll understand you're a foreigner and forgive you.


By being accepting and understanding that others are just as good 
(or better) than we, you'll have some amazing experiences.  Some of 
the most exciting times and experiences I have ever had in my life 
were with people I didn't know and will never see again.  They made 
me feel welcome because I respected them and their culture.  And I 
learned some wonderful things about other peoples and places, too.


There is nothing worse than the "Ugly American" who goes to another 
country and expects things to be the same as they are back home. 
After all, what's the point?


Dan with over 1,000,000 lifetime flight miles on Northwest alone



Hear Hear!Well said!  Not sure anyone can say it better!

I spent a summer @ 15 trying to become an English kid, and many other 
weeks trying to blend into, and learn about other countries and 
cultures, and months trying to be a southerner, years trying to fit 
into the cultures in other parts of this country.


Dieselkopf

Close to a million miles in MBs, untold millions in other vehicles, 
and a few thousands of air miles on a couple of handsfull of 
different, and mostly extinct airlines.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Mountain Man]

Patrick Henry wrote:
> "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the blood of 
> despots and free men."
>

Sounds all fine and good for a different era.
This ain't gonna happen today.
If this is going to happen today - please flesh out what and how this
will happen.
We are in an era of absolute complacency, happy to be at war anywhere,
anytime, i.e. Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc - and proud to be
the universal warrior of all things, proud to be an american, proud to
abuse, proud to maintain "liberty" that does not exist, love it or
leave it.
Standard banned closure 
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I felt sick reading that.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> The Quechua are descendants of the Incas and pretty much have their own
> deal going on.  They appear not yet to have embraced the European concepts
> of justice.
>
> But hey, if it works for them, who are we to judge?  Just a cultural
> difference and celebrating diversity and practicing tolerance are worthy
> goals.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:19 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> *Community action can be as powerful a deterant as open carry -- not that
> I'm avocating mob rule or vigilanties ---*
>
>
> A man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern
> highlands of Bolivia.
>
> Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape
> and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
>
> The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos
> Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
>
> He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
>
> A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for
> fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's
> funeral.
>
> He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin
> and filled the grave with earth.
>
> Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km)
> south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22811105
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
> Short trial, quick judgement, rapid execution... seems about right.

See the youtube movie Sophie Scholl - The Final Days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcSkrhWJRQ
...2 hours long, in german, with subtitles.

Hitler made her and two others lose their heads in 4-days - peaceful
protest at the university, undermining the iron hand of gov't.
I cannot disagree with swift judgement, but...
I cannot agree with extending life for convicted evil actors...
Just another hand wringing quandary our kulture cannot solve.
Yes, we are &*%$@!.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Dieselhead]

  What to do? - DIY seems the
best.  This is a good crew of people at okiebenz.  Sorry for the
negative thoughts.
mao


DIY is the way to go/stay.  The other piece is the scout motto:  Be prepared

Mao is right, there is a game.  We are being played.  Democans and 
republicrats are both participating in playing us.Witness: 
"conservative R" ruby O joining mclame and losta jackasses in 
marketing no border amnesty to us.


Time to read the declaration, the constitution, the bill of rights, 
the federalist papers, "Common sense" and the like, then educate your 
friends



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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Mountain Man]

Dieselhead wrote:
> Time to read the declaration, the constitution, the bill of rights, the
> federalist papers, "Common sense" and the like, then educate your friends
>

What can happen?  Play out any scenario and there is not means to
communicate *against* the size, stature, power, knowledge, espionage
of the forces in place today.  *Against* is not the only means, but it
seems that *against* is the direction that forces of foment seem to
lead - we are being played.  Sitting complacent, fat, dumb - that
ain't working.  Depending on the fat-cats for politics ain't working.
What avenues are there?  Violent means of any sort seems totally
repugnant.  Peaceful means seem ineffective.  Complacency seems the
end game, hence, more complacency.  If you spell out some action,
plan, ideas - I'm game.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Rick Knoble]

http://youtu.be/KuStsFW4EmQ

You really need to read this. Really. Everyone on this list ought to read it 
probably...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076114773X?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:26 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:

>  To think retirement and living another 20 years comprises
> hell in my book.
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[MBZ] oops

[Mitch Haley]

http://i42.tinypic.com/b4cc94.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Rich Thomas]

I did not buy stuff from Worldparts, I bought stuff from buymbparts.

I don't want to hear excuses about some 3rd party, I want the stuff I 
paid for.


--R


On 6/7/13 8:16 PM, MG wrote:
Yeah I understand that Trent has been having a lot of problems with 
Worldparts in regards to shipping and pricing. Hopefully this will get 
fixed sooner rather than later. Not much fun on either side of an order.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:41:56 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 

Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts
 and we went back and forth a couple times, got
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the
pdf quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in
orders.

I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who had
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed the
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in so it
might be shipped that afternoon.

I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich 
Thomas  wrote:


> > So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a 
tracking number or order status?

> >
> > --R
> >

On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:
> > I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon as I 
get back

> >
> > Sent from my iPhone

It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, this past
week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not going
to get done.

This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others who have
dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] CL crackhead of the day Fwd: Re: 1992 MERCEDES 400E (ATLANTA/CONLEY)

[Rich Thomas]

It is 100 more than a 300E.  Most cars only go to 300, this one goes to 400.

--R


On 6/7/13 8:57 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Jun 7, 2013 4:55 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:

I told him I'd drive right on past him
to pullapart around the corner and
pay $160. $3200 for a subframe WTF?

What's special about a 400E subframe?

Alex
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[MBZ] Bloxygen

[Jerry Herrman]

Anyone used a product called "Bloxygen" to displace air and oxygen from opened 
and partially used cans of such products as oil based paint, polyurethane, 
varnish, epoxys, fuel additives, etc.?
Is it a significant advantage over, say, letting a film of oil paint skin over 
and removing it next time you use the product? Worth the price?

http://www.bloxygen.com/

Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[G Mann]

You ask, I answer... My prediction is, about mid to late July, the public
conscience will receive or cumulatively have received the requisite volume
of moral insult to have reached it's threshold to action.

>From that, about mid Aug, [Americans are slow to anger and react] a series
of trigger events, likely in the inner cities and likely violent, will
bring a ground swell of actions that I've chosen to name "Redneck Spring".

The effect of said "Redneck Spring" [apologies to all honorable rednecks
for commandeering the term, with special exclusion for Andrew ;)] will be a
series of actions which quickly and with considerable use of force, remove
offending departments and persons in government from power, much like you
saw in Egypt or Lybia with the removal of leaders who had held power for
long periods.

Further, I predict, this "Redneck Spring" will bridge party lines without
regard to conservative or liberal, democrat or republician. I've been
watching the pieces of the puzzle fall to place now for past 4 month and
project easily future events that will be triggers.

Just today, there are articles of how "liberal left" persons are now
suddenly expressing how betrayed they feel [Rachel Maddow, for example went
far off her reservation with comments]. The tide of unfettered support for
present administration and congress is shifting... quite measurably.. and I
predict will continue that pendulum swing once now in motion.

That's my view... your mileage may vary.

Grant...


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Patrick Henry wrote:
> > "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the blood of
> despots and free men."
> >
>
> Sounds all fine and good for a different era.
> This ain't gonna happen today.
> If this is going to happen today - please flesh out what and how this
> will happen.
> We are in an era of absolute complacency, happy to be at war anywhere,
> anytime, i.e. Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc - and proud to be
> the universal warrior of all things, proud to be an american, proud to
> abuse, proud to maintain "liberty" that does not exist, love it or
> leave it.
> Standard banned closure 
> mao
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bloxygen

[Craig]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:24:57 -0700 "Jerry Herrman" 
wrote:

> Anyone used a product called "Bloxygen" to displace air and oxygen from
> opened and partially used cans of such products as oil based paint,
> polyurethane, varnish, epoxys, fuel additives, etc.? Is it a
> significant advantage over, say, letting a film of oil paint skin over
> and removing it next time you use the product? Worth the price?
> 
> http://www.bloxygen.com/

It's a unique idea. Argon, with one atom per unit gas, has an atomic
weight of 39.948. Oxygen, with two atoms per unit gas, has a molecular
weight of 31.9988. Argon, then, is indeed heavier than air and will sink
down to the surface of the paint in a can, displacing the oxygen.

I have been using oil-based paint for the inside trim of our house.
Opening a can that has been used reveals a skin on the top. Fishing this
out of a can not only brings the skin, but a lot of liquid paint as well.
It also can leave hard particles of paint in the can. It's messy and
wasteful.

Bloxygen sounds like something I will want to try when we get to
finishing the rest of the house.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bloxygen

[Scott Ritchey]

Sounds interesting. I often push a sheet of plastic food wrap over the
exposed surface.  It seems to help.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bloxygen

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:24:57 -0700 "Jerry Herrman" 
wrote:

> Anyone used a product called "Bloxygen" to displace air and oxygen from
> opened and partially used cans of such products as oil based paint,
> polyurethane, varnish, epoxys, fuel additives, etc.? Is it a
> significant advantage over, say, letting a film of oil paint skin over
> and removing it next time you use the product? Worth the price?
> 
> http://www.bloxygen.com/

It's a unique idea. Argon, with one atom per unit gas, has an atomic
weight of 39.948. Oxygen, with two atoms per unit gas, has a molecular
weight of 31.9988. Argon, then, is indeed heavier than air and will sink
down to the surface of the paint in a can, displacing the oxygen.

I have been using oil-based paint for the inside trim of our house.
Opening a can that has been used reveals a skin on the top. Fishing this
out of a can not only brings the skin, but a lot of liquid paint as well.
It also can leave hard particles of paint in the can. It's messy and
wasteful.

Bloxygen sounds like something I will want to try when we get to
finishing the rest of the house.


Craig

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