Re: Dennis Ritchie
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:14 PM, David Coppa dco...@gmail.com wrote: Today is a sad sad day :( Rest in Peace. Without you, we would never be here. Cheers, David Actually he died already the night between 8-9 oct. Rest in Peace Dennis!
Re: Is there a kernel walkthough for newbies?
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Billy Wong bi...@tube-fish.net wrote: Hi everybody, Just wondering if there are some documentations telling a newbie his whereabouts in the kernel? It doesnt need to be an extensive line-by-line or file-by-file treatment but something at a higher level of the general design and architecture approach. thanks and regards, bill I you are looking for documentation about the design you could either read: The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System, which is a bit old but still valid. A new book that could be interesting is: The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System , which focus on FreeBSD but is still valid. There is also good information among these presentations: http://openbsd.org/papers/ BR Dunceor
Re: OpenBSD 4.8
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Bambero bamb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to know, is OpenBSD 4.8 ready now ? Release date is 01-11-2010 but maybe it's possible to have it now using preorders. I have to change datacenter in next week, so it's best time to upgrade. Thanks, Bambero The code is in cvs, just download it and build yourself.
Re: becoming a openbsd developer , any guides ?
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Aaron Lewis aaron.lewis1...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, B B B B I've been googled a lot , nothing interesting about this topic , can anyone get me some ideas ? B B B B Thanks ! - -- Best Regards, Aaron Lewis - PGP: 0x4A6D32A0 FingerPrint EA63 26B2 6C52 72EA A4A5 EB6B BDFE 35B0 4A6D 32A0 irc: A4R0NL3WI5 on freenode Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxY/7EACgkQvf41sEptMqANDgCeMzdMZVXBhL8GsJjsXGoWI9og FnMAoMNsXC08x6qIg9C3c0OECryYGtAu =g+Rh -END PGP SIGNATURE- It's very easy, start coding and send in patches and if you send in quality stuff the other devs will recognize that and you will be offered to become a developer. So start reading code
Re: Sierra Wireless MC5720 Modem
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:56 AM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:17:44 -0500 Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Anyone got: umsm0 at uhub7 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 Sierra Wireless Sierra Wireless MC5720 Modem rev 1.10/0.01 addr 2 ucom0 at umsm0 To work on OpenBSD? I get basically no output from the modem using this in /etc/remote: mobile:\ B B B B :at=hayes:dv=/dev/cuaU0:dv=/dev/ttya:tc=direct:tc=unixhost: # sudo tip remote connected And then I can type AT all day long and get no response. B The modem isn't activated but I don't want to go spend money on activating it unless I know if that is what is causing it to not respond. Something else weird is that if I fart enough with tip and stuff to get to the modem and reboot with it on it hangs the IO subsytem. B Not sure why a serial port is sitting on IPL_BIO but that is a different story. As mentioned off list, a vast number of the early data card designs actually have *multiple* serial ports, but only one of them is usable as a typical AT-Command modem. The other serial ports on the device(s) can only speak proprietary protocols and are used for BS Management and Monitoring functions (e.g. constantly checking/reporting signal strength). The umsm man page clearly mentions these other unusable ports since there's no definitive way to tell which port is usable as a modem. If a serial port on the device does not respond to AT commands, you have the wrong port. If it's the only available port on the device, then you need to tweak the umsm sources to make it look for multiple ports on your device. If after finding all the available ports on a device, you cannot find a port that talks AT commands, then either the device is broken or you need some secret sauce to make the device go back to speaking normal AT commands (rather being in proprietary mode). Additionally, many modems support profiles which is a fancy way to say the firmware in the device remembers the settings you previously gave it. Clearing the various types of profiles/settings is often vendor/device specific. Some of the more common AT commands for resetting a device are: B B B B ATZ B B B B ATF B B B B AT+CFUN=1 Since you will need access to a MS-windows system to do the required activation nonsense before the device will work with a given providers network, you should look at the device to see what *.inf file is being used to define how the device is controlled. For example, the Pantech (ZTC) UMW190 I have here uses the C:\windows\inf\oem33.inf file as its definition (seeable through device properties or Modem/PPP logging if enabled). Look in said file for the Reset entry to figure out the proper AT command.. By comparison, Sierra Wireless is one of the most open source friendly of all the data card vendors so digging around for their docs or looking how the specific device shows up (number/type of ports) in linux might be real helpful. Dan Williams has done a lot of work on the various data card devices in linux, including some degree of reverse engineering of the proprietary protocols which the unusable ports typically speak. http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/ Ya, ya, I know... (insert linux rant), but they do have some good info and it may be helpful. B B B B jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org All Ericsson based modems can be reseted with AT+CFUN=1 (or if you want you can AT+CFUN=0 to turn it off and then AT+CFUN=4 to turn it on in UMTS mode). A lot of other cards support this also. BR Dunceor
Re: Why I left OpenBSD
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson dexterto...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html Ok why write a long text and the only reason you have is that you are unhappy with driver support and with Theo? I was looking for some more indepth discussion on why you choose not to use OpenBSD anymore but it was just another worthless post. This feels more like the usual troll post of people that got hurt while dealing with Theo. Like somebody said, is this the year of trolls?
Re: Why I left OpenBSD
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dexter Tomisson dexterto...@gmail.com wrote: Man, it's not me. Just wanted to share that with you all. On 10 June 2010 11:40, Dunceor dunc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson dexterto...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html Ok why write a long text and the only reason you have is that you are unhappy with driver support and with Theo? I was looking for some more indepth discussion on why you choose not to use OpenBSD anymore but it was just another worthless post. This feels more like the usual troll post of people that got hurt while dealing with Theo. Like somebody said, is this the year of trolls? And you felt it was something unique and new about this information so you had to write a blog post about it? Theo has been critized about this for years and I think he has heard that before. So my question remains, what was the purpose of writing it?
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado Why ask this on a OpenBSD mailing list? OpenBSD has nothing to do with Richard Stallman or GNU. Check www.gnu.org.
Re: RouterBOARD RB600A support
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Good post Mark, [snip] If anybody is interested and willing to donate a development board or a hackable product based on these chips, please contact me. Let's have a mini rally around providing a board here - I'm in for twenty USD. I am sure 10-15 people can do the trick. [snip] To guarantee the availability of releases and snapshots, Theo really needs a machine. I'm in for another twenty USD. I went to that router place and the board he is looking at is a couple of cinos. That's another 10 or so people. Too late. B Someone has already shipped one to me, just 30 minutes ago. But having said that, I am certain there are other developers who are in need of this hardware too. Those Routerboards are really nice and great they got support with OpenBSD. Great work Mark! BR Karl
Re: OpenBSD insecure OS?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM, carlos albino garcia grijalba genesi...@hotmail.com wrote: I foud this: http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ so ? Old, move along. http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg86163.html
Re: OpenBSD 4.6 and ospf6d ?
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20091224160429mode=flatcount=2 On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Xavier Beaudouin k...@oav.net wrote: Hi there, Changelog says: various ospf6d changes... The main problem is I cannot find ospf6d on OpenBSD 4.6/i386 installation (even if it is a full installation). Is there something I missed? /Xavier
Re: Keyboad layout on Macbook?
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Elmar Bschorer
elmar.bscho...@lintegra.de wrote:
Hi all,
I've just installe 4.5 on my Macbook.
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Modellname: B B MacBook
B Modell-Identifizierung: B B B MacBook2,1
B Prozessortyp: Intel Core 2 Duo
B Prozessorgeschwindigkeit: B B 2.16 GHz
B Anzahl der Prozessoren: B B B 1
B Gesamtzahl der Kerne: 2
B L2-Cache: B B 4 MB
B Speicher: B B 2,5 GB
B Busgeschwindigkeit: B 667 MHz
B Boot-ROM-Version: B B MB21.00A5.B07
B SMC-Version (System): 1.17f0
B Seriennummer (System): B B B B W87252DJYA4
B Hardware-UUID: B B B B --1000-8000-0019E33F0DF6
B Sensor f|r plvtzliche Bewegung:
B Status: B B B Aktiviert
Unfortunately I can't get my keyboard function right! The most needed keys
aren't recognized (in ksh). | etc
There is no output when I press the keys :-( (neither in PC-style nor
Mac-Style)
My current keymap is de.
Does anybody know how to get these keys running?
Thanks a lot!
Elmar
I had the same problem on my macbook. I do not think there is a easy
way to solve this.
What I did was that I mapped around some keys with xmodmap so I could
get the keys I needed to code (e.g [ ], {} etc).
I think that is you only chance.
BR
Dunceor
Re: Asus WK500G
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Thor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is my memory playing up or did I really see a message some time back about somebody porting OpenBSD to one of the Asus or Linksys router platforms? Thankyou, Thor. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/mips32-openbsd.pdf
Re: Just curiosity about ntpd.c 1.61
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Jordi Espasa Clofent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As subject says, simply curiosity. ?Why 1.61 of ntpd.c [1]? I mean ?what is the improvement? [1] http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/ntpd.c.diff?r1=1.60r2=1.61sortby=datef=h -- Thanks, Jordi Espasa Clofent Cleaner code, why use two function calls when only one is necessary?
Re: Is there a non-X11 version of Prolog available?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simon Connah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just been trying to install the SWI-Prolog port and it seems like it needs X11 installed to run. Is there a command line version of Prolog floating around at all? Or do I need to compile and install my own copy? Cheers for any help. Simon. I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire I used gprolog a few years back and it's non-gui. Check it out: http://openports.se/lang/gprolog BR dunceor
Re: Is there a non-X11 version of Prolog available?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Simon Connah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Aug 2008, at 08:56, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simon Connah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just been trying to install the SWI-Prolog port and it seems like it needs X11 installed to run. Is there a command line version of Prolog floating around at all? Or do I need to compile and install my own copy? Cheers for any help. Simon. I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire I used gprolog a few years back and it's non-gui. Check it out: http://openports.se/lang/gprolog BR dunceor Thanks for the tip. I'm just a bit concerned about the broken part on that site apparently caused by randomised mmap(). Any idea if this is a major concern or just something that can be safely ignored? Simon. I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire Might wanna check out B-Prolog also: http://www.cad.mse.kyutech.ac.jp/people/zhou/bprolog.html Don't know if it runs on OpenBSD but it seems to run on FreeBSD. br dunceor
Re: How much RAM is needed for cvs(1)?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I tried # cd /usr # export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs # cvs -d$CVSROOT checkout -P xenocara and after few minutes get Out of memory.I have 256MB RAM.That was running on tty0, on tty1 was only lynx with OBSD page.Before that I made checkout of src and every- thing OK. Is this problem with low memory or anything else? Thx This is a known limitation in cvs. If you use OpenCVS to check out Xenocara it succedes. Check http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120765433708331w=2 and numerous other post about this on misc. Br dunceor
Re: Apple Macbook Xorg synchronization problems
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Kostas Zorbadelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 11:58:34 Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Kostas Zorbadelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everyone. This is my first post here and I should be considered a new user in OpenBSD. I have an Apple Macbook (13.3') Intel Core 2 Duo and I managed to install 4.3-release/amd64. I have a working console-based system using GENERIC.MP kernel. The problem is when I start X I can see no fonts on the screen (seems like an X server synchronization problem). I should have included that in the first place :) As I can see I also have a 2,1 but I guess the Intel card is supported in the Xorg intel driver... You have a 2,1? How did you get it installed in the first place? The install kernel hangs for me. I got around that by putting the harddrive in a different computer, but I'm wondering if I missed an easier way. -Nick Last time I installed it there was a long pause in the install process when it tried to find something. It finally timed out and then just continued. BR dunceor
Re: Apple Macbook Xorg synchronization problems
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Kostas Zorbadelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everyone. This is my first post here and I should be considered a new user in OpenBSD. I have an Apple Macbook (13.3') Intel Core 2 Duo and I managed to install 4.3-release/amd64. I have a working console-based system using GENERIC.MP kernel. The problem is when I start X I can see no fonts on the screen (seems like an X server synchronization problem). A search in Google about a valid xorg.conf file produced various results but I could get no solution. Does anyone have a working xorg.conf file or any pointers to the solution? Find attached my xorg.conf file (pretty much the one generated by X -configure with few additions). Another hint is that if I connect the laptop to an external monitor (using the mini DVI-to-DVI connector of Apple) I can see the fonts just fine. If you need any other input please let me know. Thanks in advance, KOstas Zorbadelos Section ServerLayout Identifier X.org Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section Files RgbPath /usr/X11R6/share/X11/rgb ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/OTF FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/ghostscript/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/mscorefonts/ EndSection Section Module Load GLcore Load dbe Load extmod Load glx Load record Load xtrap Load freetype Load type1 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol wsmouse Option Device /dev/wsmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7 EndSection Section Monitor #DisplaySize 290 190 # mm Identifier Monitor0 VendorName APP ModelNameColor LCD HorizSync28.0 - 64.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 EndSection Section Device ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False, ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz ### [arg]: arg optional #Option NoAccel # [bool] #Option SWcursor # [bool] #Option ColorKey # i #Option CacheLines# i #Option Dac6Bit # [bool] #Option DRI # [bool] #Option NoDDC # [bool] #Option ShowCache # [bool] #Option XvMCSurfaces # i #Option PageFlip # [bool] Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection EndSection What version of macbook do you have? I have a 2,1 that I have had problems with the intel 945 graphics card. I have downgraded from the new intel driver to the old i810 driver otherwise my screen frooze. Please show dmesg. BR dunceor
Re: OpenBSD AMD64 install snapshot (from 17.07.2008) halts while booting.
continue boot but it can take several minutes before it continue. How long have you waited? BR dunceor
Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: 1. I suddenly don't care 2. I will not purchase anything from you 3. I'll find alternatives who make my experience better 4. I'll save some time by not watching some retarded video It wouldn't be the first business/site I abandon. It wouldn't be the first site at work that I simply reply to originators saying: sorry can't view the content. Making excuses for flash isn't helping. You can't say: I agree but I use it anyway because I want teh nekid ladies. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:40:43AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip This guy's day job is at a bank, and they're really into it-- it solves a number of problems for them. So if this is the kind of thing that developers are going to pick up en masse, then it's something that will need to be addressed, else people who won't or can't run Flash will be increasingly marginalized. Flash is only good for a few things such as naked ladies performing anatomic tricks, dude getting punched in the ding-dong Trogodor the burninator. Nothing makes me happier than visiting a website and having some ad puking its irrelevant content on me. What's perplexing to me is that most people sit idle watching the internet as we know it disintegrate in front of their eyes. Allowing themselves to be bombarded with ads. Removing the actual reason for why html exists which is indexing content so that it can be retrieved and used by many. Those people are all ok with being shat on as long as they can watch youtube or $whatever_infantile_site_here. The 14 year old demographic is apparently the dominating one on teh intartubez these days. I for one can't wait to be marginalized. While I agree with you in many respects, I will also acknowledge that there are plenty of legitimate cases where viewing flash content is necessary. This is particularly true in artistic communities (and increasingly so, for the reasons Daniel pointed out). Flash sure is shit, I'll agree.. and philosophically, I believe its use continues its proliferation by adobe.. but regardless, casting it all off isn't a viable solution. For example, if a site has information I absolutely need to access (maybe you're researching a particular artist or company that uses flash on their site, etc..) your options are to either not view that content, attempt opera or gnash or some other broken open alternative, or boot up windows. Not viewing the content doesn't help you. opera and/or gnash are close options, sometimes booting windows is not an option I feel good about even considering, and as soon as I give away this extra laptop I have, there won't be any windows here. so protest if you must, but I hope you can acknowledge a user's legitimate use, as opposed to adobe's horrific domination, or spammer's obsession with inducing seizures. regards, ~Jason -- 401.837.8417 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, a flash site means you don't want my business for me. It's annoying.
Re: anoncvs.se.openbsd.org: No space left on device
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Martin Toft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc@ I get the following error message when updating the xenocara module from anoncvs.se.openbsd.org: $ echo $CVSROOT [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs $ pwd /usr/xenocara $ sudo cvs -q -d$CVSROOT up -Pd Password: unable to write, file Makefile.in No space left on device I had no problem updating src from the same server. I guess the error message is sent by the server, as I'm not running out of space on my laptop: $ df -h | head -n 2 FilesystemSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 9.8G5.2G4.1G56%/ I sent the following mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the maintainers of anoncvs.se.openbsd.org) five days ago, but I haven't heard from them: --- start of mail quote --- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:38:48 +0200 From: Martin Toft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Problem with anoncvs.stacken.kth.se Hi Stacken staff I think anoncvs.stacken.kth.se needs more disk space to work properly: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/xenocara$ export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/xenocara$ sudo cvs -q -d$CVSROOT up -Pd unable to write, file configure No space left on device There is approx 4 GB available on my computer and a cvs update from anoncvs1.ca.openbsd.org works fine. Thanks for a great service! Best regards, Martin --- end of mail quote --- Anybody else experiencing the problem or am I the only one? Martin This is probobly just the old load issue. When there is to much load on the servers they can't handle all calls and you get a error that there is no space left. Use another mirror or try later usually works. BR Karl
Re: n2k8 network hackathon
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps some who watch the commit logs have already figured out that most of the network developers are currently involved in a week-long network hackathon in Japan. A bit more information about this can be found at http://openbsd.org/hackathons.html#n2k8 We are in a rather old hotel with an onsen in a seaside village, but even with all the local distractions, the developer's noses are mostly stuck in the code. There are lots of commits happening to the network parts of the tree. Many future projects are being worked on too. We would really like to thank Mark Uemura for putting us up in this location and doing so much preparation and setup for the event. Really cool. I haven't kept an eye on the cvs logs so haven't noticed this. Very nice that more specific hackathon are being held. Keep up the good work and we look forward to test all kind of new stuff!! Thanks! BR dunceor
Re: How to HIDE OpenBSD as user-agent?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:18 PM, macintoshzoom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to HIDE OpenBSD as user-agent? For security reasons it is sometimes interesting to hide GLOBALLLY th O.S. you are running on AGAINST GIVING ANY CLUE TO HACKERS ABOUT HOW TO ATTACK YOU. Not only browsing but globally. Thanks for any tip about this. Has people still not learned anything about security through obscurity? No need to shout or cc all the mailing lists please.
Re: issue on Attansic Technology L1 network card and OpenBSD
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attansic was bought by Atheros IIRC, so maybe try asking there. Anyway, there's a GPL'd driver which was integrated into linux some time ago. This could be helpful for reverse engineering. Not supporting that chip isn't really an option since it's one of the most used in new motherboards as of today. -- Jonathan Well Luis Rodriguez of Wad-wifi just annouced that he is starting to work for Atheros, let see if there is any decent drivers showing up or if it's just gonna be GPL:ed crap as usual. Then maybe you will get support for the card. BR dunceor
Re: problem with usb on amd64 SMP
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Benoit Chesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, When I use GENERIC.SMP on my machine (AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, asus M2N-MX) i have problem with smp, all usb ports except teh one with the mouse are disabled , so is the hub on my apple cinema display. At boot I get this message : usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 NVIDIA OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 ehci_sync_hc: tsleep() = 35 uhub0: device problem, disabling port 2 uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 Razer Razer Diamondback Optical Mouse rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2 uhidev0: iclass 3/1 ums0 at uhidev0: 7 buttons and Z dir. It works well when I use GENERIC It might be an hardware problem since I tested it with an ubuntu livecd and everything was ok (with smp). However this problem appear after I changed my graphic card from a nvidia 7100GS to a radeonhd RX2400 Pro. Any idee what could be the problem ? I suspect a problem with apic or an irq conflict.. Dmesg is attached. - benont OpenBSD 4.3-current (GENERIC.MP) #1631: Tue Apr 15 15:40:39 MDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 2146824192 (2047MB) avail mem = 2073030656 (1976MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf06f0 (60 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 0907 date 09/27/2007 bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M2N-MX acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB HPET SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PS2K(S0) PS2M(S0) UAR1(S0) USB0(S0) USB2(S0) P0P1(S0) HDAC(S0) P0P2(S0) BR11(S0) NMAC(S0) NSMB(S0) PWRB(S0) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, 2310.98 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, 2310.65 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative ioapic0 at mainbus0 apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins acpihpet0 at acpi0: 2500 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (P0P2) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (BR11) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (BR12) acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB cpu0: PowerNow! K8 2310 MHz: speeds: 2300 2200 2000 1800 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 NVIDIA MCP61 Memory rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 ISA rev 0xa2 nviic0 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 NVIDIA MCP61 SMBus rev 0xa2 iic0 at nviic0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 1GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 1GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 iic1 at nviic0 NVIDIA MCP61 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 1 function 2 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 USB rev 0xa2: apic 2 int 11 (irq 11), version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 NVIDIA MPC61 USB rev 0xa2: apic 2 int 10 (irq 10) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 rev 0xa1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 emu0 at pci1 dev 7 function 0 Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live rev 0x0a: apic 2 int 11 (irq 11) ac97: codec id 0x83847658 (SigmaTel STAC9758/59) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, 20 bit ADC, SigmaTel 3D audio0 at emu0 Creative Labs PCI Gameport Joystick rev 0x0a at pci1 dev 7 function 1 not configured azalia0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 HD Audio rev 0xa2: apic 2 int 11 (irq 11) azalia0: codec[s]: Analog Devices/0x1986 audio1 at azalia0 pciide0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 IDE rev 0xa2: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility,
Re: xenocara CVS out of memory
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, when trying to checkout or update the 4.3 xenocara sources I get the following message: cvs [server aborted]: out of memory; can not reallocate 5242880 bytes Tried the following servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs Michael It usually happens when the servers are busy. Wait and try later or try some other servers. BR Dunceor
Re: man ftp site is very slow
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Linn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 11:49:33AM -0500, arthur wrote: I am loading cd43.iso from ftp.openbsd.org and it is 4.2k/s. Anything wrong, or just to busy. Loading from FBSD is 146k/s so it is not problem with my internet. Arthur have you tested the performance of the many ftp mirrors? please see http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html. cel -- Christopher Linn celinn at mtu.edu | By no means shall either the CEC System Administrator II | or MTU be held in any way liable Center for Experimental Computation | for any opinions or conjecture I Michigan Technological University | hold to or imply to hold herein. This is the main site, you should always try and use a mirror to begin with. BR dunceor
Re: The Dilbert Problem...
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There's a strange incident that's repeatable on my system (4.2). Open up Firefox, make it load www.dilbert.com, then open another tab and visit any other website, then do the same for 2~3 more tabs. The first (dilbert) tab takes a long time to load during which the other tabs too show nothing, they get stuck at Looking up... Is it a Firefox problem or something to do with the system? Best, ~Mayuresh I have seen this on both Windows and OpenBSD. The later firefox releases (like from 2.0.0.3-2.0.0.5 something) I have seen problems with having more tabs open. I used to have a lot of tabs but now I have restricted myself to 3-4 or firefox is not useable. BR Dunceor
Re: Monitoring Battery...
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: I googled for monitoring battery openbsd but got nothing satisfactory. apm(8) Thanks for that Antoine. I tried 'apm -b' to get the battery status, but it showed 255, which is 'unknown', is it because my laptop isn't properly supported? Is there anything I could do to help developers support it better? Best, ~Mayuresh If its an non-apm laptop you can check it via acpi. Use sysctl and check the hw section. There it was how many volts left. BR Dunceor
Re: halt -p does not work with GENERIC.MP on 4.2-STABLE
On Jan 26, 2008 5:35 AM, Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:43:36 +0100, Pierre Riteau wrote: On Jan 25, 2008 9:13 AM, Nicolas Letellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use OpenBSD 4.2-stable with a core2duo laptop. When I use GENERIC kernel, 'halt -p' works perfectly. However, when I use GENERIC.MP, 'halt -p' does not work and says : apm0: APM set power state: interface not connected (3) the operating system has halted Please press any key to reboot You should try with -current. Much work was done on ACPI since 4.2. And I don't think the developers are interested in these kind of bugs in -stable. I can confirm that it doesn't work on a fairly recent snapshot. It does work with GENERIC but when you do a `halt -p` under GENERIC.MP you get syncing disks and then something like UHCI controller halted and then nothing. This is on a ThinkPad T60 (ACPI only) running amd64. Jona I can confirm that I get the same behaviour with a the last 10 or so snapshots. Works in GENERIC but not GENERIC.MP. BR dunceor
Re: Problems with -current in CVS?
On Jan 22, 2008 8:34 AM, Dusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had this too, you need to build yourself a new version f gcc. I see someone posted faq5 .. you want to 'follow current' it has those instructions. On Jan 22, 2008 8:30 AM, Colby W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried two different AnonCVS repositories (one in the USA and one in CAN) tonight but ran into the same problem when I tried rebuilding the kernel to bring my recent -release install up to -current. Per the instructions [1]: # cd usr/ ; cvs checkout -P src # cd /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/conf/ # config GENERIC ../../../../conf/files:1005: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1006: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1007: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1008: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1009: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1010: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1011: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1012: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1013: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1014: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1015: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1016: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1017: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1018: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1019: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1020: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1021: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1022: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1023: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1024: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1025: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1026: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1027: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1028: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1029: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1030: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1031: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1032: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1033: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1034: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1035: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1036: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1037: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1038: syntax error *** Stop. Is this a problem with a config file checked into CVS or am I missing something? From what I can determine, there is no ../../../../conf/files but there is ../../../conf/files (one directory closer to /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/conf : ie., /usr/src/sys/conf/). Thanks in advance, Colby W. [1] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html This is probobly due to the config flag day. Do as it says on Following -current: 2007/11/25 - config(8) flag day Extended capabilities require config(8) to be rebuilt on your system: # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/config # make clean # make obj # make depend # make # make install I got the same errors when I forgot to do that so it's highy possible that config is the problem. BR dunceor
Re: Problems with -current in CVS?
On Jan 22, 2008 8:11 AM, Ben Calvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:30 PM, Colby W. wrote: I tried two different AnonCVS repositories (one in the USA and one in CAN) tonight but ran into the same problem when I tried rebuilding the kernel to bring my recent -release install up to -current. Per the instructions [1]: [1] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html wrong instructions. the correct instructions are at: http://openbsd.org/faq/current.html You should ALWAYS use a snapshot as the starting point for running - current. Upgrading by compiling your own source code is not supported. Ben Not supported is not the same thing as not working. I usually do it and it works fine but sometimes it breaks, easy as that. BR dunceor
Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men
On Jan 4, 2008 9:14 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are subscribed to these mailing lists. If they are not, why do their emails get into the mailing list? Some moderator enjoys letting flames come up? That's even more interesting... I consider it rude to receive duplicate email. Isn't it rude to prevent people from receiving answers they are seeking? Not everyone not subscribed to this list will end his/her messages with a ``please cc: me as I am not subscribed'' notice, because they expect people to do the right thing. Which is ``reply to all''. Their problem. Rui -- Frink! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it.
Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men
On Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it. If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps posting should be restricted to list members. Rui -- This statement is false. Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? Who said anything about that? The discussion was about cc. You need to keep on subject and don't make up things.
Re: Getting envolved
On Dec 12, 2007 6:31 PM, Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, First I apologize if this is not the good address to post this kind of message. I didn't find a 'getting involved' link on the 0penBSD website. Well, OpenBSD seems to care about quality, so as a developper I thought this would be a good place to learn how to write better software. To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be happy to help improve OpenBSD by making it easier to install and use. But I don't know if you would be interesting by this kind of 'improvement'. I don't want to waste your time nor mine, so I ask first. Let me know your opinion about this. Anyway, I will first have to learn the system, so I should ask an OpenBSD CD and book for christmas. :P Best regards. Improvements are always welcomed. Sends so diff's and people can see if they feel it's improvement or not. BR dunceor
Re: cvsweb browsing out of sync with latest src?
On Dec 10, 2007 8:14 AM, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It appears that browsing OpenBSD src/ through cvsweb points to old src, and not the latest one. For eg., http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/ turns up many utilities which now have been moved under src/usr.bin/. Can someone clarify as to why do I see this difference? Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance. -Amarendra It does point to the latest source code, it's just that in CVS you cannot remove directories. They will still be there but they contain no source code. BR dunceor
Re: PCI ID rules to be included in pcidevs
On Nov 30, 2007 11:31 AM, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question on the rules of this if I may. What's the rules, kind of used to determine when new PCI ID can be put in the pcidevs in the tree? If I find new ID's, do they need to be verify by users first, etc? In looking at my SAS problem, I find that Symbios Logic may have 0x0066 Symbios Logic Inc. / NCR|MegaRAID SCSI 320-2XRWS And that ID is not in the tree yet. So, to be included there, do you need the data sheet or something from the company, or you put them as possible one and finalize them when the hardware is tested, or what's the process for that? What do you required if I come across others like that to be useful? Best, Daniel Usually what I have seen normally only a diff is needed. The thing is that if nobody is working on a driver or it is just something that is known not to work there is no reason for including the ID. Otherwise it would be good for testing. Do a diff, send it in, see if nay of the developers commit it. It's easy as that. BR dunceor
Re: OpenBSD in the webcomic XKCD
On Nov 26, 2007 1:15 PM, David Vasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Paul Irofti wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:57:28AM +, Edd Barrett wrote: On 26/11/2007, Richard Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.xkcd.com/349/ Observe the ALT text on the comic. Haven't seen a PR on that one... What do they mean by this? Its a joke, I think everyone experienced at least once to some extent installing another OS and ending up in a mess. OpenBSD is used only for the ``only security issue'' part hinting at our slogan. Is there OpenBSD actually mentioned anywhere? Regards, David Yes read the alt text of the picture.
Re: current tree is broken?
On Nov 27, 2007 6:16 AM, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # cd /usr/src # tar xzf /tmp/sys.tar.gz # cd /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf # config GENERIC.MP Don't forget to run make depend Kernel options have changed -- you must run make clean # cd /usr # cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs get src/sys ... Lots of output. ... # cd /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf # config GENERIC.MP ../../../../conf/files:995: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:996: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:997: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:998: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:999: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1000: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1001: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1002: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1003: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1004: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1005: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1006: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1007: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1008: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1009: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1010: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1011: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1012: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1013: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1014: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1015: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1016: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1017: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1018: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1019: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1020: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1021: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1022: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1023: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1024: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1025: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1026: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1027: syntax error ../../../../conf/files:1028: syntax error *** Stop. # config(8) has changed and need to be rebuilt first. If you wanna follow current always check: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html BR dunceor
Re: fdisk manual page missing
On Nov 25, 2007 5:48 PM, Jason McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:31:16PM +0100, Mitja wrote: Hello, There is no man page for fdisk in 4.2. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fdiskapropos=0sektion=0manpath=OpenBSD+4.2arch=i386format=html that's odd. maybe a 4.2 user can confirm it's missing, or maybe it's a blip in man.cgi. jmc It exists on my 4.2-current amd64 at least. No i386 around so don't know about that. br dunceor
Re: securing OpenBSD wireless network
On Nov 23, 2007 8:25 AM, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David wrote: Does anyone know if there is WPA support for OpenBSD being worked on? This would be nice. There was a thread that I started a month ago unfortunately by mis-spelling WPA as (wap). One of the answers was posted I think by a developer who is currently working on WPA for OpenBSD. The information was rather comprehensive and I would just do harm by trying to repeat it. Best, Predrag David Newman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/07 1:55 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is some layer-2 stuff that happens before layer-3 handshaking begins -- 802.11 association and deassociation, possibly layer-2 learning, and 802.1X authentication if that's used. IPSec will not and cannot secure any of this. Is there any need to secure that? In my local WLAN, you only have two ways of proceeding if you want internet access: a Tor router, or IPsec. Before either of those processes begin, I can associate like crazy to your access point. That would ensure you never get Internet access, even without my flinging a single IP packet at you. Duh. It's a *radio* network. Of course it can be DoS-ed. WEP doesn't change that. In fact, popular attacks against WEP generate massive L2 traffic. Yes. WPA is somewhat better (in that the better controller-based systems have rate controls). Other than being better than nothing on really old hardware, WEP is worthless. dn iD8DBQFHRk3LyPxGVjntI4IRApZlAJ44a3Um15XTftC6s7wlHXlWQOr/dwCg8ULI dZSlpbIowhsNSj3aqcCkoT8= =TjLE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Reyk@ is working on WPA support in the 802.11 stack. They have added the wpa_supplicant port but it can not be used because it lacks some support in the stack. Any donations would probobly help. BR dunceor
Re: Source for man pages.
On Nov 17, 2007 6:14 PM, David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya. What is a convenient way for me to get the source for the man pages in current? Best wishes, David Check out the source. It depends on what man page you are looking for. Man pages for different programs or drivers are found in the folder where the src is for that specific driver/program. More general man-pages are found in /src/share/man/ BR dunceor
Re: Please send email directly to misc@openBSD.org (no cc please)
On Nov 16, 2007 7:20 AM, Weldon Goree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 00:28 -0500, Piet Slaghekke wrote: I like to filter my openBSD emails and the only way I can do it is if everyone send their email with misc@openBSD.org in the To field. Please send email To misc@openBSD.org and do not CC it to this address. Thanks! If only there were mail clients that allowed one to filter on To: or Cc:... Can people please only mail stuff to misc that I'm interested in? Doh.
Re: OT: OpenBSD on Asus eeePC
On Nov 14, 2007 8:27 AM, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob Winther wrote: On 14/11/2007, at 6:55 AM, Andreas Maus wrote: Did anyone try to run OpenBSD on Asus new small eeePC? Just fired up a flashboot image from usb running 4.1 bsd.rd: nice to see you have one. can you boot -current and mail the dmesg to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anybody know where I could buy such a machine, preferrably in .ch or .de? - Marc OpenBSD 4.1-stable (GENERIC-RD) #0: Thu Aug 16 17:15:55 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/rd/flashboot/flashboot/obj/GENERIC-RD cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 631 MHz [...] I have also been looking for one in Europe. I found one place in Sweden that got them: http://www.expansys.se/p.aspx?i=158485 In UK: http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=9136E4FD-2F3C-4289-84A9-4B96ED813B9Dcategory=GROUP4 Here is one in the US: http://www.allasus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=347osCsid=k1mu5o1dvgee6jrkdebs2hemo6 I couldn't find any .de or .ch ones though. BR dunceor
Re: OT: OpenBSD on Asus eeePC
On Nov 14, 2007 10:45 AM, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007/11/14 10:37, Alexey Suslikov wrote: As sthen@ mentioned, there are models with other WLAN, so be careful with it. I doubt there are different wlan, it doesn't make any sense. They are PCIE mini card, btw, so you'll probably have a harder time finding a replacement than if they were Mini PCI. (the in- tree options are iwn and rum). N.B. the flash is soldered. Personally I think I'd wait for the 8G ones - from my experience with Zaurus, 4G can be a bit limiting, Yeah I agree, 4GB is a bit small. When we see a 8GB or 16GB version I probobly will buy one to have when I take the train to work. Hopefully that will show up in a near future. BR dunceor
Re: MacBook remote control
On Nov 10, 2007 10:03 PM, Richard Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello!
I have macbook:
hw.model=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz
hw.vendor=Apple Inc.
hw.product=MacBook2,1
hw.version=1.0
On http://wiki.freebsd.org/AppleMacbook IR receiver section there is
tool available at http://fnop.net/~rpaulo/priv/freebsd/aird.tgz.
Here is patch that makes it compile/work under openbsd with my macbook
and remote control.
Ignore manpage, run like this:
./aird -vd -f /dev/uhid1 -M echo menu -P echo play -F echo
forward -B echo backward -U echo volumeup -D echo volumedown
--- aird.c.orig Tue Jul 31 21:26:36 2007
+++ aird.c Sat Nov 10 22:56:10 2007
@@ -50,7 +50,6 @@
*/
#include sys/cdefs.h
-__FBSDID($FreeBSD$);
#include err.h
#include errno.h
@@ -69,24 +68,17 @@
#include sys/ioctl.h
#include sys/stat.h
-#include libutil.h
#include dev/usb/usb.h
#include dev/usb/usbhid.h
-static struct pidfh *pfh;
-
static voidsighandler(int sig);
static voidusage(void);
static voidruncmd(const char *cmd, int fd);
-static void
-sighandler(__unused int sig)
+static void sighandler(int sig)
{
- if (pfh)
- pidfile_remove(pfh);
-
exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
}
@@ -96,7 +88,7 @@
fprintf(stderr, usage: %s [-vd] [-p pidfile] -f device
[-M menu command]\n\t[-P play command] [-F forward command]
[-B backward command]\n\t[-U volume up command]
- [-D volume down command]\n, getprogname());
+ [-D volume down command]\n, aird);
exit(1);
}
@@ -132,8 +124,6 @@
const char *deventry;
unsigned char key;
- pfh = NULL;
-
signal(SIGHUP, sighandler);
signal(SIGINT, sighandler);
signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN);
@@ -207,23 +197,9 @@
err(EXIT_FAILURE, open %s, deventry);
if (!foreground) {
- pfh = pidfile_open(pidfile, 0600, otherpid);
- if (pfh == NULL) {
- if (errno == EEXIST) {
- errx(EXIT_FAILURE,
- Daemon already running, pid: %jd.,
- (intmax_t)otherpid);
- }
- /* If we cannot create pidfile from other reasons,
- only warn. */
- warn(Cannot open or create pidfile);
- }
-
if (daemon(0, 0) 0) {
- pidfile_remove(pfh);
err(EXIT_FAILURE, daemon);
}
- pidfile_write(pfh);
}
memset(prevbuf, 0, sizeof(prevbuf));
@@ -243,9 +219,6 @@
exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
}
- if (key buf[3] != key)
- continue;
-
/*
* Check for key repeats.
*/
@@ -273,7 +246,7 @@
repeating = 0;
}
- switch (buf[4]) {
+ switch (buf[3]) {
/* Menu */
case 0x02:
case 0x03:
@@ -308,7 +281,6 @@
}
}
- pidfile_remove(pfh);
close(fd);
return (0);
Cool!
I'm slacking behind on my coding so I really need to update my source
and see if my bluetooth patches works.
I'll see if I get time to test this when I get home.
BR
dunceor
Re: IPMI
On Nov 12, 2007 1:10 PM, Kleber Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How I would disable the ipmi? I get this error on my system, /bsd: ipmi0: error code: ff when watchdog is running Thanks Just boot with boot -c so you get into UKC. Then disable ipmi with 'disable ipmi'. You can also comment it our in your config and build a new kernel if you want it to stay more permanantly. BR dunceor
Re: Clamav
On Nov 6, 2007 2:12 PM, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juan Miscaro wrote: --- Peter Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was obsolete for a while, long enough that it was hard to get updates on the virus signatures. I was going to put up 4.2 expecting to get an updated version of clamav, but I discovered that 4.2 still uses 0.90.3. The virus signatures providers are expecting 0.91.2. Is there a newer version coming, or is there a better virus scanner to use? I've been bothered by this for a long time. I'm going to try having all my future clamav installations built by source. Use OpenBSD snapshots or run -current. The port is updated there. You recommend a production server to be running -current? Poll: who here is doing that? // juan Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com I don't have any 'production servers' but I have run -current (updated about once a week) on my laptop that I use daily for the last two years and I never had any problems with stability. I would consider it stable enough to run on production servers. br dunceor
Re: OBSD on MacBook
On Nov 6, 2007 12:28 PM, Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:46:28PM +0800, Koh Choon Lin wrote: Hi everyone! Anyone has a success story on installing OBSD on MacBook or MB Pro? Hi all Thanks you so much for the help.. actually, I am planning to single boot a MB or MBP with OBSD. Is it easier to install it this way than a dual boot or using bootcamp? Regards Koh Choon Lin I single boot my macbook and then you just install it as you would on a normal laptop. Just say yes that you will use whole hd for OpenBSD and then you are set. No special magic. I use OpenBSD on my macbook daily and it works great. No dmesg here because I'm at work... Br dunceor
Re: OBSD on MacBook
On Nov 6, 2007 4:25 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/6/07, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I single boot my macbook and then you just install it as you would on a normal laptop. Just say yes that you will use whole hd for OpenBSD and then you are set. No special magic. I use OpenBSD on my macbook daily and it works great. No dmesg here because I'm at work... MacBook or MacBook Pro? MacBook.
Re: OBSD on MacBook
On Nov 6, 2007 7:43 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/6/07, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007 4:25 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacBook or MacBook Pro? MacBook. How did you install it? My problem is that the internal keyboard doesn't work, and no external keyboard I've yet tried seems to work at installtime. I used an external USB keyboard. The internal keyboard should work though if you enable acpi and disable apm (not sure if disable of apm is necassary). But if you have problems with that just use the external USB keyboard. I have some cheap USB keyboard I picked up just to install my Macbook. Just work with pretty much any USB keyboard. BR dunceor
Re: redirect network traffic - netfwd project
On 10/12/07, Alexey Vatchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I wrote a little utility and want to share it with you. It allows to redirect incoming connections to remote (and also local) host. For example, it listens for incoming TCP connections, accepts them and creates connection with remote host. But it works not only with TCP. One can easily redirect the following: - TCP - UDP - UNIX socket (SOCK_STREAM) - UNIX socket (SOCK_DGRAM) - serial port (actually, tty device). And it doesn't matter what into what you redirect :) For example, you can give your chrooted web server access to MySQL not enabling networking in MySQL: # netfwd unix stream /chroot/.../mysql.sock unix stream /.../mysql.sock Any connects are welcome! -- Alexey Vatchenko http://www.bsdua.org E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want it to be widely used by OpenBSD users just make a port of it and I bet it will get wider use. BR dunceor
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On 10/11/07, Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13.09.2007 at 23:09:51 -0400, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It boggles my mind that we can lie around complacently, arguing about installer menus and taking the bait from trolls, while our freedoms are quickly eroding away. The rights and recognition of one of our own developers (reyk@) have been molested, and all we've done as a community is to participate in useless flames and blog postings. Theo has thrown himself, once again, against the spears of the Linux community and their legal vultures in order to protect our software freedoms. How many of us can say we've done our part to defend truly Free Software? You don't have to be a lawyer or OpenBSD developer to make a difference. Email the SFLC and FSF and remind them that Free Software consists of more than the almighty penguin. OpenBSD is arguably the most Free and Open operating system available anywhere. The SFLC and FSF need to remember that they were created to protect victims, not thieves. Your donations are important for keeping the servers running, but your voice is necessary for keeping our freedom alive. Just today, I was reading about a bug in OpenBSD's dhcpd. Nothing much wrong with that, anyone can make a mistake. A short while later I came across the message that some VMware thingy also had the same problem, because they derived their dhcpd from OpenBSD's code base (or probably just included it, I didn't check nor care). I'd like to summarize: * OpenBSD publishes some pieces of software under the BSD license. case 1: Linux takes some of it and publishes it under the GPL: Big war ahead! case 2: Company XY takes some of it and publishes it under their own license (binary only etc.): Everyone's happy... no? Maybe some of you can explain why attribution (the only thing the BSD license really demands) is not enough in the first of these two cases, or what the problem really is. It's imho a very easy question to tell which one out of (Company X, GPL) protects my freedoms better... And I also dimly remember that some popular Linux project clamoured for the removal of (undocumented) binary-only stuff from their release even earlier than OpenBSD 3.9 came out. This kind of proceedings is generally wrong-headed and a bane for the OpenBSD project in general. Unless you start going after all commercial users of OpenBSD, like eg. VMware, you are simply destroying that credibility and respect you have worked to earn over the years. Best, --Toni++ This has allready been discussed. VMWare are not allowed to put it under any new licence as you said, they are allowed to provide a binary only with the licence intact. The Linux people _CHANGED_ the licence and now they changed it back and they can use it. Stop the old trolling about commercial companies just stealing, in several cases they do give back! BR dunceor
Re: X11 very slow with SMP kernel
On 10/7/07, Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:21:59 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) wrote: Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can see X redraw the screen top down very slowly when I use the SMP kernel on my Thinkpad T60. I can actually see it draw the background first and then every widget one by one. I don't see this behaviour when I use GENERIC. It's been discussed on the list recently, the short version is that you may find that enabling acpi in the MP kernel will speed up your system. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118836844303217w=2 gives you the main bits. Hope this helps, Thanks a lot, it also helped in my case! I was reluctant to enable acpi because the man page says it could cause overheating because the kernel takes thermal control from the bios but doesn't provide any thermal regulation functionality. Does my laptop risk overheating when I enable acpi? Regards, Jona -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free. Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord Confusion Does my laptop risk overheating when I enable acpi? The answer is dependent on how old your laptop is. My old Compaq Presario 2100 did not work with ACPI enable because it couldn't control the thermal functionality. But my new laptop (macbook 2,1) it works great with acpi and is needed to get some stuff working. So I suggest you try enable ACPI and see what happens. If you laptop can't control the thermal functionality it will most likely just turn of and then you just need to install it again without ACPI and you'll be fine. The laptop it self has a protection that it turns if off if it feels it to hot so you won't burn anything. BR Dunceor
Re: TPMs in Macbooks on OpenBSD
On 10/6/07, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got me a macbook and I'm figuring out how to install OpenBSD on it (I'm going to see if I can do it without BootCamp, appearently it's possible: http://refit.sourceforge.net/myths/). One of my friends mentioned too bad about the evil to me and so I started digging into one of the evils: Trusted Computing. How do I find out if this mac has a TPM chip? Apple is never open about this fact. This page http://attivissimo.blogspot.com/2006/04/trusted-computing-chips-found-in-intel.html reports that some macs have them and some don't. It also says that in linux you can check `ioreg` for mentions of TPM. What would the equivalent method in OpenBSD? Would the chip show up in dmesg? Here's one dmesg http://erdelynet.com/tech/openbsd/openbsd-on-intel-mac-mini/ and I don't see anything that looks like a TPM chip but I'm not sure what all the devices are. If I can't know for sure from software I plan on cracking the case and searching for one physically anyway. -Nick I have a Macbook 2,1 that I run OpenBSD exclusively on. No Boot camp or anything special. Just OpenBSD as it is. There are a few things you need to know before you install. You will need acpi and you will need an external USB-keyboard during installization. I use AMD64 and GENERIC.MP. I did some googling about TPM in macbook and newer Apple hardware and it seems like there isn't one. http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/ http://www.tuaw.com/2006/11/02/apple-drops-trusted-computing/ Both these links say newer Apple hardware does not contain it, they only mention Mac Pro and Macbook Pro's though. There are still a few problems with the macbook, I'm trying to write a driver for Apple system Management Controller, it's not going that good but I should have it working soon. There is a few other problems like bluetooth, iSight camera, IR. Sound is working and trackpad is working. BR dunceor Here is my dmesg: OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC.MP) #8: Sat Sep 22 19:44:03 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 2114535424 (2016MB) avail mem = 2041937920 (1947MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe7460 (37 entries) bios0: vendor Apple Inc. version MB21.88Z.00A5.B06.0704201208 date 04/20/07 bios0: Apple Inc. MacBook2,1 acpi0 at mainbus0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT HPET APIC MCFG ASF! SBST ECDT FACP SSDT SSDT SSDT acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpi device at acpi0 from table DSDT not configured acpihpet0 at acpi0 table HPET: 14318179 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 table APIC addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz, 2161.57 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR,NXE,LONG cpu0: 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz, 2161.25 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR,NXE,LONG cpu1: 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache ioapic0 at mainbus0 apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1 acpi device at acpi0 from table MCFG not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table ASF! not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table SBST not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table ECDT not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table FACP not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table SSDT not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table SSDT not configured acpi device at acpi0 from table SSDT not configured acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCIB) acpiec0 at acpi0: EC__ acpicpu0 at acpi0 C3, C2 acpicpu1 at acpi0 C3, C2 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit offline acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID0 acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn2 at acpi0: SLPB acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0: model: ASMB016 serial: type: LION016 oem: DPON016 cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x06130d2b06000b25 cpu0: using only highest, current and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1833 MHz (1292 mV): speeds: 2167, 1833, 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82945GM MCH rev 0x03 vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel 82945GM Video rev 0x03 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) Intel 82945GM Video rev 0x03 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured vendor Intel, unknown product 0x27a3 (class DASP subclass Time and Frequency, rev 0x03) at pci0 dev 7 function 0 not configured azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801GB HD Audio rev 0x02: apic 1 int 22 (irq 10) azalia0: host
Re: TPMs in Macbooks on OpenBSD
On 10/6/07, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/6/07, Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/6/07, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got me a macbook and I'm figuring out how to install OpenBSD on
it (I'm going to see if I can do it without BootCamp, appearently it's
possible: http://refit.sourceforge.net/myths/). One of my friends
mentioned too bad about the evil to me and so I started digging into
one of the evils: Trusted Computing. How do I find out if this mac has
a TPM chip? Apple is never open about this fact.
This page
http://attivissimo.blogspot.com/2006/04/trusted-computing-chips-found-in-intel.html
reports that some macs have them and some don't. It also says that in
linux you can check `ioreg` for mentions of TPM.
What would the equivalent method in OpenBSD? Would the chip show up in
dmesg? Here's one dmesg
http://erdelynet.com/tech/openbsd/openbsd-on-intel-mac-mini/ and I
don't see anything that looks like a TPM chip but I'm not sure what
all the devices are.
If I can't know for sure from software I plan on cracking the case and
searching for one physically anyway.
-Nick
I have a Macbook 2,1 that I run OpenBSD exclusively on. No Boot camp
or anything special. Just OpenBSD as it is.
ooh, first: thanks for your quick response.
What *is* BootCamp? I know it's mostly just repartitioning software
but the readme that comes with it seems to imply that it install
certain special drivers to let you use the mac keyboard under windows
(i.e. Mac-Click is mapped to right click, and so on).
Although I guess those would just be those Windows drivers, wouldn't they...
Boot camp is both a tool to handle dual boot of operating systems but
it also provide drivers for the apple hardware so Windows can use it.
There are a few things you need to know before you install. You will
need acpi and you will need an external USB-keyboard during
installization.
Why do you need acpi? I did read that and I did make myself an
acpi-enabled kernel that I can boot from if I choose (though really I
could just do drop into config from boot, right?) but the default is
to boot the normal i386/bsd.rd and when I let it do that it boots fine
and gets to the install prompt. What's the problem?
Ok then it has started to get better because in the beginning I
couldn't even get to the install prompt because it hang on some usb
controller. ACPI is needed to get some of the drivers to work
correctly. And yes enable it in ukc is enough.
I did indeed run into the problem of the keyboard not working during
install. Why is that? Is the ramdisk kernel just missing some drivers?
I use AMD64 and GENERIC.MP.
Is there an advantage to AMD64 over i386? My default was to grab i386
but I'm not particularly tied to it.
Well the new Intel Core 2 Duo are Intels version of AMD64 and there
fore the closest thing you should use. You could use i386 also and
there might not be that much difference. I have only tried AMD64.
I did some googling about TPM in macbook and newer Apple hardware and
it seems like there isn't one.
http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/
mm I found this one too, it's linked at the end of the link I gave.
http://www.tuaw.com/2006/11/02/apple-drops-trusted-computing/
This just references the link I gave.
Still, TPM needs software to run it. It would be a very strange move
for Apple to somehow hide the TPM from anything besides OS X. I'm
settled.
Both these links say newer Apple hardware does not contain it, they
only mention Mac Pro and Macbook Pro's though.
I only have a Macbook. Maybe they big-brother anyone who doesn't shell
out enough (;))?
There are still a few problems with the macbook, I'm trying to write a
driver for Apple system Management Controller, it's not going that
good but I should have it working soon. There is a few other problems
like bluetooth, iSight camera, IR. Sound is working and trackpad is
working.
Oh sweet, that's really nice.
Related but off topic question: How do I get right-clicking working?
Do I have to play with X keymaps? I've poked at this from playing on
zaurus, but I don't really understand it. Links please?
I'm guessing there's nothing like Appletouch
http://www.popies.net/atp/ in OpenBSD right?
I haven't got the right click to work, I do not know if it's possible
to do. It is one of the annoying stuff at the moment and I use an
external USB mouse. I also have problems with the swedish keyboard
layout because {,[ ,] ,} are existing and this is annoying when you
code =) That Appletouch driver you linked to looked old and it's only
for Powerbooks. I know the FreeBSD people has done some work on it so
maybe I can port that later also.
The SMC controls low-level power functions. Does it do that on its
own? (i.e. if I sleep while under OpenBSD does the light still
snore?). Would your driver just
Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?
On 9/25/07, Lars NoodC)n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at the recent article on Soekris and very favorably impressed. Setting up a Soekris 5501 with OpenBSD 4.2 24 Sep 2007 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070924004901 The setup seems almost perfect, except that the AMD Geode seems to be x86-based. What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? Regards, -Lars Do you have any special reasons for not using x86-based hardware? BR dunceor
Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?
On 9/25/07, Lars NoodC)n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: ... You should go into the ARM world to get something like that, and you will be disapointed, as it is much much harder to find something with 4 network connectors, serial, flash, pci, mini-pci connector, due to the lack of products manufacturers. Yes. I know. Hence my query to the list. ... on epiacenter website ... I find only x86-based units there: celeron, amd geode, pentium, c3, eden, TM8600, etc. One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell or Freescale or anything else. Regards, -Lars What is AMT? Well ARM is not under Intel, Intel does ARM-processors just like several others do (Atmel, TI, Phillips etc). ARM only licence their technology and their designs and let others produce it. The question is what are your goal with the system? Route, small file server, entertainment box? Please explain your demands and purpose with the system and people can help and identify what hw that could suite. Br Dunceor
Re: OpenCVS
On 9/19/07, Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Who here knows about OpenCVS? 2. How is it used? 3. When will it be released? Will it be released at the same time as 4.2? Regards, A. 1. OpenCVS is developed by several of the OpenBSD developers, those I see commit most is xsa@, niallo@, ray@ and lateley a lot by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. It's a replacement for GNU CVS so it's compatiable with it. Their goal is first to make sure everything supported in GNU CVS should be supported in OpenCVS. 3. Do not know about release, probobly not ready for prime time yet. But I'm sure it needs testers, that will speed up the development. Ps. I'm not a developer. ds. br Dunceor
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On 9/14/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX, 4 linux distributions, and FreeBSD. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. Please keep me informed if you will, I'd love to hear the thoughts, and ideas on this possible progress. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. OpenBSD is developed by volunteers, 10 years of development, don't you think with all this man power and ability, after all these years it's time to evolve a little? I 100% Agree with you. so after 10 years of use, you should become one of those volunteers and write such a thing. Remember this is an OS, and part of the process of creating one is the evolution in making it a more simpler, and productive tool. We must rethink our ideas with these systems that they are tools to help us, not us having to work on them all the time in order to get them to do something, otherwise where is the progress and productivity in this? I remember a day when I personally sat around playing most of the time trying to get something to work, rather then getting work done, those days must end, and the tools must finally emerge as just that, TOOLS to help us accomplish something, not sitting around trying to. Personally I find driving an ncurses based install much more tedious playing than chucking a site_install script in site42.tgz, booting off the net and installing, as I've used the freebsd and SLS and ubunty and solaris and aix and blah blah blah installers. All the rest of them require more of my time in front of the keyboard. However I'm sure with your fabulous ideas your ncurses based installer for openbsd will stop that trend and be much better - since you'll be working on something that's useful to you and you are passionate about. Thank you for your time in this matter. Scott Richman Thank you for volunteering. I await your code. -Bob I can't understand what is the problem with the installer. It's so damn easy. The installer isn't something that is keeping people away from using OpenBSD. Time spent on adding features, new drivers and improvments on all areas is much more important than trying to 'improve' something that already works great. BR dunceor
Re: Show your appreciation and get your 4.2 DVD
On 9/11/07, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/7/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The order is up and I just ordered my DVD. Can't find a DVD in https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order only Cds. Sorry this is my first time ordering DVD. Thankyou so much Kind Regards Siju There are no DVDs, it's only CDs but they come in a DVD-case. That is why people call it 'DVD's. BR dunceor
Re: OpenBSd or HP-UX?
On 8/31/07, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, on Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 10:50:46AM +0200, Toni Mueller said that Although JCR calls it FUD, my personal opinion is that HP-UX is quite dead, with today's commercial Unices being AIX or Solaris. The latter imho has the best prospects of surviving, now that IBM is also shipping it. it's not as dead as some of us wished it to be... but at the moment it is definitely a dying breed... but it's not something netcraft could confirm :) we are talking about machines deep inside data center bowels... -f -- he has a train of thought. you have a tricycle... Yeah there are installing a lot of Clearcase on HP-UX at work since HP is the one administrating it. So it's not dead but it probobly should be =) dunceor
Re: Get rid of leaf packages
On 8/30/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 30/08/2007, Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find it here: http://hcl-club.lu/svn/development/python/cutleaves This is useful! Why not write a port? -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett Why not extend pkg with this insteed? Sounds like something people woudl have intrest in. Maybe espie@ already has something similar in mind? br dunceor
Re: lenovo x61s bsd.mp Obsd 4.2 difficulties et al.
On 8/28/07, Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am having a couple of issues with obsd on the lenovo x61s... especially the lackage of wireless support, but the driver (Intel 4965AGN) should be ready in 1-2 weeks. I'd like to ask you whether you see some obvious error. I installed -current from a snapshot: uname -a OpenBSD arktomis.bautzi.de 4.2 GENERIC#374 i386 0) The worst problem is when I boot with bsd.mp... the boot process freezes and the last lines I get are as shown in this picture: www.aei.mpg.de/~pau/BSDMP.jpg dmesg for GENERIC is to be found at www.aei.mpg.de/~pau/dmesg_x61s.txt (the last lines come from a digital camera, ignore them) Now... I tried with a bsd.mp from 4.1 in single-user mode as Dave suggested me (boot hdawhatever:bsd.mp41 -s), to see what happens. The result? In the place where it just freezes in 4.2, the damned laptop decided to reboot... black screen and reboot... Disgustingly enough, fedora6 live cd recognised the two processors cleanly... 1) halt -p turns the screen black (no shutdown messages) 2) I'm not quite sure the sound is working... look at this --- azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801H HD Audio rev 0x03: irq 11 mixerctl outputs.master=200,200 mixerctl: field outputs.master does not exist mixerctl -av | grep outputs outputs.dac02.source=hdaudio [ hdaudio adc08 adc09 ] outputs.sel0c.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.sel0c=124,124 outputs.sel0d.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.sel0d=124,124 outputs.green11.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.green11.boost=off [ off on ] outputs.unknown12.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.unknown12.boost=off [ off on ] outputs.unknown13.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.unknown13=120 outputs.red14=85,85 outputs.unknown15=85,85 outputs.unknown16.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.unknown16.dir=input [ input output ] outputs.pow19.source=mix20 [ mix20 sel21 ] outputs.black1b.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.black1b=126,126 outputs.red1c.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.red1c.dir=input [ input output ] outputs.widget1d.source=mix07 [ mix07 pow19 mix0a black1a red1c green11 mix1e ] outputs.sel21.mute=off [ off on ] outputs.sel21=120,120 outputs.sel25=85,85 outputs.widget26.source=red14 [ red14 unknown15 red1c ] What should I change? --- 3) The clock was set wrongly... I had to : -- arktomis| ls -lart /etc/localtime lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 33 Aug 27 21:10 /etc/localtime - /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin arktomis| sudo ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime ln: /etc/localtime: File exists arktomis| sudo ln -fs /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime arktomis| ls -lart /etc/localtime lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 39 Aug 29 20:20 /etc/localtime - /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/Europe/Berlin arktomis| sudo rdate -ncv ptbtime1.ptb.de Tue Aug 28 22:20:50 CEST 2007 rdate: adjust local clock by -79186.490511 seconds -- After that I adjusted crontab of root as suggested in the man page... Any hint regarding the bsd.mp thing? Am I stupid? If so, I ask for mercy and not to be immediately stoned Cheers, Pau Tried enable ACPI? br dunceor
Re: FOSS Open Hardware Documentation
On 8/27/07, JoC#o Salvatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/open_chips_wiki_open http://wikis.sun.com/display/FOSSdocs/Home -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is really nice and maybe we can expect better hardware support on SPARCs. This is probobly also good since I hope this puts pressure on other hardware manufacturers to open up their documentation. Maybe dlg@ can shed some more light on what is comming out of this from a OpenBSD perspective? BR dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke Hello. Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook. I have found some great information on the net and there has happend some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to work. I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X). Thanks for the point though. br dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. On 7/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what crap may someone find in mac osx.. besides that all hardware work and it is based on good old mach+freebsd open source codes I personally own powerbook and yes there is info on internet that new mac laptops is crap (talking bout hw).. though definitely mac osx is great piece of software and hey, there're many many featuters that will not be implemented in openbsd in near future (which from the other side live inside mac osx for ages already).. so please don't throw words just to show that you are competent enogh (questionable indeed) and can judge something like crap indeed, openbsd seems to be much more crappy nowadays... don't miss thepoint, im not oposite you guys, just i like to have clear understanding of things On 7/28/07, Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke Hello. Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook. I have found some great information on the net and there has happend some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to work. I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X). Thanks for the point though. br dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything didn't work 100%? On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a Thinkpad? Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on it? Greg -- http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html Dethink to survive - Mclusky
Re: Hmm...
On 7/25/07, Pete Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plenty on Ebay. If Josh's is not V2, then we can try round up enough $$$ to grab one. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?_trksid=m37satitle=WIC-1DSU- T1-V2 /Pete On 25 Jul 2007, at 12:26 AM, Steve Fairhead wrote: To upgrade to a newer network setup, we kind of need a particular piece of equipment: Cisco T1 DSU/CSU WAN Interface Card (WIC-1DSU-T1-V2) http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps221/ products_data_sheet0918 6a00801a9184.html It has to be the V2 model. If someone can get one to me, that would be great. I'm happy to put e.g. $50 towards it, if money can get you one. Steve http://www.fivetrees.com Somebody wrote on undeadly that they had arranged for Theo to get one so this shouldn't be any problem. Theo anything you can confirm so people doesn't send you several of these which money could go to other better stuff. br dunceor
Re: ADVERT: C12G
On 7/11/07, Marcus Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: ADVERT: C12G ... That, and Schneier's 'snake oil' may well apply. ... Almost certainly applies. See http://groups.google.com/group/sci.crypt/msg/401bd358ad9f651e -Marcus Watts Everything just smells snake oil. 'Ultra-Secure', @yahoo.co.uk, 'superiority in itself'.
Re: building bsd.rd on current fails for me
On 6/14/07, Didier Wiroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I'm following current lastest sources a 2 hours ago (from cvsup.no.openbsd.org).
when I try to build bsd.rd it fails at some point:
cd /usr/src/distrib/i386/ramdisk_cd
cd /usr/src/distrib/i386/ramdisk_cd sudo make
snip .
cc -Werror -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-format -Wno-main
-Wstack-larger-than-2047 -fno-stack-protector -fno-builtin-printf -fno-builtin-log -Os -pipe -nostdinc -I.
-I/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD/../../../../arch
-I/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD/../../../.. -DSCSITERSE -DAPM_NOPRINT -DI486_CPU -DI586_CPU
-DI686_CPU -DSMALL_KERNEL -DNO_PROPOLICE -DTIMEZONE=0 -DDST=0 -DFFS -DEXT2FS
-DNFSCLIENT -DCD9660 -DUDF -DMSDOSFS -DFIFO -DINET -DINET6 -DBOOT_CONFIG -DRAMDISK_HOOKS
-DMINIROOTSIZE=0xed8 -DPCIVERBOSE -D_KERNEL -Di386 -c
/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD/../../../../dev/usb/usb_mem.c
In file included from /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usb_mem.c:62:
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdivar.h:228: error: field `timeout_handle' has
incomplete type
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD (line 2224 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src/distrib/i386/ramdisk_cd (line 67 of
/usr/src/distrib/i386/ramdisk_cd/../common/Makefile.inc).
Any ideas ?
Thank you very much
Kind regards,
Didier
There has been a lot of changes in the USB-stack lately that is
related to removal of macros and {Net,Free}BSD stuff.
This problem you see is fixed in version 1.20 in usb_mem.c so do
another cvs up and try again.
br
dunceor
Re: cvsup/cvsync/anoncvs
On 5/30/07, MiK[3]Zz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i am goin to set up cvsup/anoncvs/cvsync server, but don't knwo how. Can you help me with configuration of these *cvs* servers? I have already write an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but w/o any answer. Thanks for help. Here is information how to run a anoncvs-server. http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#MIRROR You probobly need to do some reading before, it can take some tweaking. br dunceor
Re: Tcpdstat
On 5/22/07, OBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anybody get on a OpenBSD 4.x tcpdstat installed? Tcpdstat from http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/talks/core02/tools/tcpdstat-uw.tar is a very nice tool to get summary information of a tcpdump file. The output includes the number of packets, the average rate and its standard deviation, the number of unique source and destination address pairs, and the breakdown of protocols. I would appreciate every help or hint to get it compiled. I can remember me that I could compile it on a OpenBSD 3.6 but on the new one 4.1 it fails always. Regards, Stefan This makes it compile at least: --- tcpdstat.h Wed May 23 22:14:28 2007 +++ new_tcpdstat.h Wed May 23 22:14:17 2007 @@ -410,7 +410,7 @@ }; extern long long int read_count; -extern struct timeval start_time, end_time; +extern struct bpf_timeval start_time, end_time; extern struct pkt_cnt tcpdstat[PROTOTYPE_MAX]; extern int packet_length; extern long long int caplen_total; I bet bpf_timeval is only a typedef or pretty much the same as timeval anyway. Worth a try, I haven't been able to test it out. br dunceor
Re: Tcpdstat
On 5/23/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007, Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor wrote:
On 5/22/07, OBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
does anybody get on a OpenBSD 4.x tcpdstat installed?
Tcpdstat from
http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/talks/core02/tools/tcpdstat-uw.tar
is a very nice tool to get summary information of a tcpdump file.
The output includes the number of packets, the average rate and its standard
deviation,
the number of unique source and destination address pairs, and the breakdown
of protocols.
I would appreciate every help or hint to get it compiled.
I can remember me that I could compile it on a OpenBSD 3.6 but on the new
one 4.1
it fails always.
Regards,
Stefan
This makes it compile at least:
--- tcpdstat.h Wed May 23 22:14:28 2007
+++ new_tcpdstat.h Wed May 23 22:14:17 2007
@@ -410,7 +410,7 @@
};
extern long long int read_count;
-extern struct timeval start_time, end_time;
+extern struct bpf_timeval start_time, end_time;
extern struct pkt_cnt tcpdstat[PROTOTYPE_MAX];
extern int packet_length;
extern long long int caplen_total;
I bet bpf_timeval is only a typedef or pretty much the same as timeval
anyway. Worth a try, I haven't been able to test it out.
they are not pretty much the same; they happen to have the same
field names (a bad design decisison, but we have to live with that),
but they ARE different:
struct bpf_timeval {
u_int32_t tv_sec;
u_int32_t tv_usec;
};
struct timeval {
longtv_sec; /* seconds */
longtv_usec;/* and microseconds */
};
Apart from the fields being unsigned in the bpf_timeval case, they are
not the same size on 64-bit platforms.
-Otto
Well I guess there was a chance for that but a quick look didn't reveal that.
Well there is the problem with the code so if anybody is up for it.
br
dunceor
Re: Chaos Computer Camp 2007. Anyone going?
On 5/12/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My german housemate has reccommneded the chaos computer camp to me. Looks like a good laugh. A couple of my student buddies and myself are thinking of coming. I see there is a BSD village. Is that you lot? Would be nice to meet some of the developers. -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett/ I think Wim is one of the organizers of the BSD Village. He was at WTH at least so I think he is involved. I doubt that they will miss that big event. I'm hopening to go if I can get time of from work. I will be in the BSD village then if I go. Br dunceor
Re: subversion and HTTP
On 4/24/07, atstake atstake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to use subversion such that people can checkout files using http://. But since OpenBSD doesn't come with Apache2, I guess I need to compile Apache2. Is there any way around this? Thanks. If you want to use the mod_dav you need to compile apache2 since this is written specially for the apache2 API. You can always use the svnserve but I don't know if that one talks HTTP but I doubt it. More info here: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch06.html BR dunceor
Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty
On 4/10/07, anon trol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure where to ask this; so, I thought I'd start here in misc first. I think I have convinced myself that I want to sponsor an architecture port effort. Specifically, I would like to see OpenBSD ported to the Routerboard 532 (IDT MIPS32 4Kc processor). After STFW, I see that a few other people have posted questions about this in the past without a lot of positive response (it seems that there might have been a port that would have been suitable at one point in time, but is no longer part of the current distribution). I'm curious what the non-technical (finical) stewardship requirements might be for bringing back a dropped architecture and making sure that it works on a very specific set of target boards (starting with the 532). I don't think this is too much of a technical undertaking (but at the moment it's beyond my ability and time constraints)... the routerboard 532 boots off of compaq flash (no need to muck about with the on-board flash). The only things that worry me are the slim resources (64MB of memory max) and support for the first NIC (IDT Korina 10/100 Mbit/s Fast Ethernet port). I would be willing to forgo support for the IDT NIC just to get things started quickly (the other NICs are VIA VT6105). I would want support for at least one commodity 802.11(series) wireless NIC in both the 2.4ghz and 5ghz ranges. Other potential issue include the funky bootstrap code (which looks for ELF), custom BIOS and MIPS endedness. I don't want this to be a goatrope where I send off a bunch a Routerboard hardware and nobody even tries to collect the bounty, but I know the OpenBSD project has a pretty good reputation for getting things done when equipment and funds are provided (if I'm off mark with that semi-acquired assumption, please someone fill me in off-line). Where do I start and who do I need to talk to? I have been interested in this before and I'm thinkin of ordering a routerboard just because I need a new router. This task is rather big though. Sure one could start with the evmips-port from NetBSD (there was a mail about supporting MIPS 4kc would probobly only be to add some strings for it) but it still needs to be ported to OpenBSD which is probobly a rather big task. The 32mb RAM (Routerboard 532 has 32 mb RAM and Routerboard 532A has 64 MB) is not a problem, I have run OpenBSD on x86 with 16mb RAM without problems. The problem I see is to get it to boot of good, and to port the flash. When those two task are done the rest of the drivers will probobly not be that much of a problem. I think there is a Realtek ethernet on it which is already supported by OpenBSD. This is for sure an interesting board and there are turning up more and more MIPS based router that would be great to be able to run OpenBSD at. Is there anybody already working on this? BR dunceor
Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
On 4/6/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 06:52:25PM +0200, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor wrote: On 4/5/07, RedShift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got this linksys SRW2016 managed 16 port gigabit switch at home. The only problem with it, is that the firmware well eh, sucks. The telnet interface can't configure everything (just basic setup, you can't even set up SNMP or VLANs) and the webinterface only works correctly with Internet Explorer. Now during the bootup messages I see that the processor is an ARM946E-S. Since OpenBSD should run on ARM processors (armish port?) I wonder if it would be possible to replace the current firmware with an OpenBSD install. I don't think the ARM 946 has a MMU which I'm pretty it needs to run OpenBSD. So I think you are out of luck. Don't know if Linux runs on systems without MMU but it's worth a try. NetBSD says it will run anything, will it run this? Doug. Well there was a proposol for SoC at NetBSD last year to get NetBSD running at a computer lacking MMU but I don't think any signed up for that mission so I still think that either NetBSD or the other *BSD can run on a computer without MMU. BR dunceor
Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
On 4/5/07, RedShift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've got this linksys SRW2016 managed 16 port gigabit switch at home. The only problem with it, is that the firmware well eh, sucks. The telnet interface can't configure everything (just basic setup, you can't even set up SNMP or VLANs) and the webinterface only works correctly with Internet Explorer. Now during the bootup messages I see that the processor is an ARM946E-S. Since OpenBSD should run on ARM processors (armish port?) I wonder if it would be possible to replace the current firmware with an OpenBSD install. To upgrade the firmware, you need two images, a boot image and software image. But before I get started, would this even be possible? I'm already having a hard time screwing open the device :-(. You have to keep in mind I'm no good at programming, I know very little C beyond hello world, let alone booting such a piece of hardware. Thanks, Glenn I don't think the ARM 946 has a MMU which I'm pretty it needs to run OpenBSD. So I think you are out of luck. Don't know if Linux runs on systems without MMU but it's worth a try. BR dunceor
Re: is there [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive?
On 2/17/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm looking for new mobos (both embedded normal) wondered if there's any way to search through sumbitted [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you do all send in your dmesg don't you?) to see what people ran into previously. gmane marc have proved reasonably light on the only thing i found was http://www.nycbug.org/?NAV=dmesgd;f_bsd=OpenBSD which was not extensive enough - but a nice interface! The dmesgs submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are not publicly accessible. At some point in time this was discussed, but we can't do that, since we never told people that they would be published. So they remain accessible to developers only. They are consulted very often, so keep them coming in! -Otto It's understandable that old dmesg can't be shown but isn't it possible to start on a new archive and inform user that all dmesg they will send in from this point will be accesible online for everybody? I have also thought the idea to have it public before and it would be great. Then the old archive could still be used by dev's but a new archive could easily be built up. Just an idea. Thanks. BR Dunceor
Re: is there [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive?
On 2/17/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Dunceor wrote: The dmesgs submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are not publicly accessible. At some point in time this was discussed, but we can't do that, since we never told people that they would be published. So they remain accessible to developers only. They are consulted very often, so keep them coming in! -Otto It's understandable that old dmesg can't be shown but isn't it possible to start on a new archive and inform user that all dmesg they will send in from this point will be accesible online for everybody? I have also thought the idea to have it public before and it would be great. Then the old archive could still be used by dev's but a new archive could easily be built up. On the other hand, we'd hate it (and the project would suffer) if people would become reluctant to send in their dmesg. Publishing dmesgs could mean less dmesgs would be submitted. -Otto Sorry, only sent private... If that would be the case, yes then there is no reason for it. But I don't see the reason why people would be more reluctant to send in their dmesg? It does not provide any private information. Well it was just an idea, maybe i'll just hack together a online dmesg tool and let the people who wants to send it be able to send it. BR Dunceor
Re: downgrade from -current to -stable?
As said in the FAQ: One should also understand that the update process is supported in only one direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current. You can not run 4.0-current (or a snapshot), then decide you are living too dangerously, and step back to 4.0-stable. You are on your own if you choose any path other than the supported option of reloading your system from scratch, do not expect assistance from the OpenBSD development team. I guess it could be done but then you are in for one hell of a headache and not worth it. Just backup your important files and do a fresh -stable install. BR Dunceor On 1/25/07, VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I understand that the update process is supported in only one direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current, but anyway, did anybody try to downgrade from -current to -stable? Are there any painless steps for that? Thanks, VAdik
Re: MIPS based routerboard machines
It looks like they allready had have some connection to OpenBSD. http://routerboard.com/files/openbsd_vt6105m_patch.txt They have a patch for OpenBSD 3.4 to support their drivers. It looks like a handmade diff. I have been looking at these boards also and they look very nice. They are very inexpensive also and would be a good complement to Soekris. I would throw in some money to buy a few to developers. // Kalle On 11/16/06, Michael Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is there any interest in supporting the MIPS based routerboard hardware? If there is, I would be happy to buy a board or two and throw it at whoever might interested in making such a thing happen. I believe this original post is referring to routerboard.com hardware. The company, based here in Latvia has built its own boards using the GEODE processor (like Soekris) but has moved to MIPS because of the much higher performance. I to am in support of the idea of OpenBSD on this board and would be happy to interface with the manufacturer (who may also be supportive) if porters emerge. Best regards, Michael Dexter
Re: Error with 002_openssl.patch
On 11/11/06, Federico Giannici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have upgraded an amd64 from 3.9 to 4.0. I followed all the Upgrade Guide using install media. Updated packages. Updated sys sources to -stable and made a new kernel. Everything worked perfectly. Then I download and extracted src.tar.gz. Nothing else was present in the src directory but sys. I applied the 002_openssl.patch patch and all hunks succeeded. Followed all compile instructions (included the make includes), but the make interrupts with the following errors: cc -O2 -pipe -g -DL_ENDIAN -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DOPENSSL_NO_IDEA -DTERMIOS -DANSI_SOURCE -DNO_ERR -DOPENSSL_NO_ASM -DOPENSSL_NO_RC5 -DOPENSSL_NO_KRB5 -DOPENSSL_NO_MDC2 -DNO_WINDOWS_BRAINDEATH -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_CSWIFT -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_NCIPHER -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_ATALLA -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_NURON -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_UBSEC -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_AEP -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_SUREWARE -DOPENSSL_NO_HW_4758_CCA -I/usr/src/lib/libssl/crypto/../src -I/usr/src/lib/libssl/crypto/../src/crypto -I/usr/src/lib/libssl/crypto/obj -c /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c -o rsa_x931.o /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c: In function `RSA_X931_hash_id': /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c:165: error: `NID_sha256' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c:165: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c:165: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c:168: error: `NID_sha384' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/rsa/rsa_x931.c:171: error: `NID_sha512' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libssl/crypto. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libssl. What could be the problem? Thanks. -- ___ __ |- [EMAIL PROTECTED] |ederico Giannici http://www.neomedia.it // Dunceor
Re: gcc support to stack-smashing attacks protection
On 6/29/06, Joco Salvatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all... I'd like to know if OpenBSD's gcc build binary files with built-in stack-smashing attacks protection. Thanks. -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: New Technologies As we audit source code, we often invent new ways of solving problems. Sometimes these ideas have been used before in some random application written somewhere, but perhaps not taken to the degree that we do. - strlcpy() and strlcat() - Memory protection purify - W^X - .rodata segment - Guard pages - Randomized malloc() - Randomized mmap() - atexit() and stdio protection - Privilege separation - Privilege revocation - Chroot jailing - New uids - ProPolice - ... and others Read up on Propolice: http://www.trl.ibm.com/projects/security/ssp/ // dunceor
Re: 3.9 Release Available
On 5/1/06, Mats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 03:36:27AM -0300, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote: Hrraaayyy!! Man, I've preordered my CDs about 2 weeks ago, and they haven't arrived yet... (bought from www.temporeal.com.br Brazil) Seems like I'll use ftp instead :P Can't wait anymore. You are lucky man. I live in Sweden (9 meg citizens and 500k dogs) and I only have _one_ place to buy from and they have no announce about them yet. Somewhere in the end of may maybe...:-( OK, I have installed over internet, but I want to read the thrilling story also and decorate the appartment with stickers. /Regs from Sweden Why not just order from Wim on the official webpage? Just as easy and couldn't be much difference in price/postage and then you would have gotten them weeks ago.
Re: OpenBSD 3.9: Blob-Busters Interviewed by Federico Biancuzzi
You are aware that the main part of the people reading misc@ also reads undeadly? On 5/1/06, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Article at http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/6557 (excerpt) Federico Biancuzzi: I remember that just before releasing 3.8 you had to disable the new behavior of your implementation of malloc()/free() that returned SIGSEGV when accessing a freed area. You had to do this because too many ports were instable (crashing). Does 3.9 enable it by default? Otto Moerbeek: I first have to make a correction: we do unmap unused memory, but not very aggressively. There are too many programs containing use-after-free bugs that would stop working if we unmapped unused memory all the time. I remember one of my grad school CS professors mentioning in class one day years ago that The collected algorithms of the ACM (CACM) contained algorithms that would retrieve data from the free area of a stack after the data had been popped from the stack. I remember also being stunned when I heard that. Dave Feustel -- Lose, v., experience a loss, get rid of, lose the weight Loose, adj., not tight, let go, free, loose clothing
Google Summer of Code
Google is doing their Summer of code this year also and since OpenBSD missed it last year I thought maybe some official would wanted to sign up OpenBSD. The site is: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html I'm not a student myself but I think this is a great way to get new people to contribute to the project. // Dunceor
Re: MIPS CPU
Yes as he says it's not supported. I looked at that board a few months back also and to get it to work you need to port mips32 (there are some from NetBSD that might work) and then get the board to work. It's ALOT of work. It's a nice board though. // Kalle On 2/12/06, Alexander Yurchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:00:30PM +0200, Edgars wrote: I just want to know, is that MIPS cpu supported by openbsd, didn't find info on hw pages. http://www.routerboard.com/rb500.html nope. and since it's mips32 i doubt it will be supported. ** Scanned by MailScan Anti-Virus and Content Security Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ** -- Alexander Yurchenko
WTH
Hello everybody. I just wanted to say thank and hi to everybody in the OpenBSD tent on WTH. Wim: we left pretty early on the monday so we didn't get a chance to say thanks in person and say good bye. Thank you for everything, it was a great organized event :) It was pretty fun to see on WTH, I saw like 10 ppl with Debian t-shirts, a few slackware and one NetBSD (worn by hubert@) but I saw 300-400+ OpenBSD t-shirts, hoods, jackets etc. Great work by Wim and I think he sold a lot. Thank you everybody for the great time and for doing me brainwashed to Humppa, it was the first thing I put on when I came home, hehe. // Dunceor (Karl Sjvdahl).
X.org with ATI-card on 3.7-current and release
(Seems like my mail bounced last time, any limit on the size?). Jonathan Thornburg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mailed about a problem with X.org and OpenBSD about a month ago. His mail is here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=111823844021367w=2 I now seem to have the same problem. I run OpenBSD 3.7-current (snapshot from 050711) but I also tried 3.7-release. See dmesg later for more exact info. I have a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M. When I try and run X.org it just dies with: Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting and no reason why in the logs (logs below also). I know Jonathan left a bugrapport to X.org (and OpenBSD also I think), the bugrapport to X.org is here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3622 Have anybody looked on this and what are your suggestions to solve this? Thanks. X.org.log X Window System Version 6.8.2 Release Date: 9 February 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2 Build Operating System: OpenBSD 3.7 i386 [ELF] Current Operating System: OpenBSD linuxlamer.linuxlamers.org 3.7 GENERIC#214 i386 Build Date: 30 June 2005 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Wed Jul 13 20:45:41 2005 (++) Using config file: /root/xorg.conf.new (==) ServerLayout X.org Configured (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor0 (**) | |--Device Card0 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ (**) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (**) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 X.Org Video Driver: 0.7 X.Org XInput driver : 0.5 X.Org Server Extension : 0.2 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on openbsd (II) LoadModule: bitmap (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: pcidata (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 (--) Using wscons driver in pcvt compatibility mode (version 3.32) (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1002,cab2 card , rev 02 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1002,7010 card , rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 10b9,5237 card 103c,002a rev 03 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:06:0: chip 10b9,5451 card 103c,002a rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 10b9,1533 card 10b9,1533 rev 00 class 06,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:08:0: chip 10b9,5457 card 103c,002a rev 00 class 07,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0a:0: chip 1217,6972 card fffd, rev 00 class 06,07,00 hdr 02 (II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 10b9,5229 card 103c,002a rev c4 class 01,01,fa hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:11:0: chip 10b9,7101 card 103c,002a rev 00 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:12:0: chip 100b,0020 card 103c,002a rev 00 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 1002,4337 card 103c,002a rev 00 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,2), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x000c (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x9000 - 0x90ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0 0x9400 - 0x94ff (0x100) IX[B] [2] -1 0 0x9800 - 0x98ff (0x100) IX[B] [3] -1 0 0x9c00 - 0x9cff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xd030 - 0xd03f (0x10) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xd800 - 0xdfff (0x800) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) Bus -1: bridge is at
Re: IPDPS 2005 Call for Papers
A bit late maybe? On 7/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** * IPDPS 2005 * * * * International Parallel and Distributed Processing Symposium * * * * http://www.ipdps.org/ * * * * = CALL FOR PAPERS = * * * * FIRM Submission Deadline: October 8, 2004 * * ^^^ * *** 19th IEEE International Parallel Distributed Processing Symposium www.ipdps.org Monday, 4 April - Friday, 8 April 2005 Omni Interlocken Hotel Denver, Colorado, USA Sponsored by: IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Parallel Processing (TCPP) In cooperation with: ACM SIGARCH IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Computer Architecture IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Distributed Processing Hosted by Colorado State University = IPDPS 2005 CALL FOR PARTICIPATION = IPDPS serves as a forum for engineers and scientists from around the world to present their latest research findings in the fields of parallel processing and distributed computing. The five-day program will follow the usual format of contributed papers, invited speakers, panels, industrial track, and exhibits mid week, framed by workshops held on Monday and Friday. During the week participants will have an opportunity to organize Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) sessions, and a special tutorial will be offered. Program details will be posted on the Web, so you are encouraged to regularly check the IPDPS Web site at www.ipdps.org for updates. General email inquiries should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] GENERAL CO-CHAIRS * H. J. Siegel, Colorado State University, USA * David A. Bader, University of New Mexico, USA GENERAL VICE CHAIR * Charles Weems, University of Massachusetts at Amherst, USA WORKSHOPS - Workshops are an opportunity to explore special topics, and running a workshop in association with IPDPS offers many advantages. Most workshops held at IPDPS 2004 are already planning for continuation in 2005, and several others have been proposed. Contact Workshop Co-Chairs Alan Sussman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or Yuanyuan Yang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for information on proposing a workshop. For a list of workshops planned for 2005, and to obtain more information on an individual IPDPS workshop, go to the IPDPS Web site at www.ipdps.org. Each workshop has its own requirements and schedule for submissions, and all are linked from the IPDPS Web site. BIRDS-OF-A-FEATHER (BOF) These are informal sessions in which a group of researchers can gather for discussions on a topic of mutual interest. We'll provide the space, you provide the topic and gather the people. You may reserve space in advance by contacting the General Vice Chair Charles Weems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDUSTRIAL TRACK COMMERCIAL EXHIBITS -- There will be three days of walk-up-and-talk exhibits, where industrial researchers can promote awareness about their products and recent technological advances. In addition, industry exhibitors are invited to give a presentation in a conference Industrial Track session (with a technical article in the proceedings) or offer an evening industrial tutorial that provides orientation and training to conference participants interested in using their technology. Companies interested in participating should contact the Industrial Track Chair John K. Antonio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as early as possible. IPDPS 2005 - IMPORTANT DATES 8 October 2004 Final Deadline for Manuscripts 17 December 2004 Review Decisions Mailed 21 January 2005 Camera-Ready Paper Due === CALL FOR PAPERS === Authors are invited to submit manuscripts
Re: IPSec Vulnerabilidade
This maillist is english-speaking and it would help if you just didn't assume that every one understands your language. On 6/20/05, Andre Siqueira de Cordova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alguim sabe como solucionar a Vulnerabilidade encontrada no protocolo ESP do IPSec ? Andri
Re: ifconfig lladdr and Atheros driver
Just curios, what ISP in Sweden (I assume Sweden from your .se mailaddy) offers 54mbit WLAN and demand you buy WLAN cards from them? Thanks. // Dunceor On 6/14/05, Jonas Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changing mac address with ifconfig ath0 lladdr does not work on the ath driver. After that I changed the address I still can see that my OpenBSD client still tries with the original mac address in my AP. The ath driver works fine if I do not use the mac address filter in my AP. I've tried the openbsd snapshot from 2005-06-11. Regards /Jonas Would really appreciate if this could be fixed. My ISP has just upgraded to 54Mbit wlan but they require everyone to buy network cards from them. Which of course is an TI acx111 based card...
Re: Problems with CPU/ARCH specific compilation!?
I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. Bingo, you hit jackpot. The OpenBSD developers develop the OS for their needs, not everybody else's needs. On 6/3/05, Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote on Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 08:51:58 -0600: Fine, talk what you want about. But something you should think about is this: It is a good idea if OpenBSD developers read these mailing lists too, for ideas as to what to change or fix. But if the lists are just yammerings by idiots, do you think they will read it? Many OpenBSD developers in fact have unsubscribed from these lists because of the yammering idiots. Hey, I've posted a nice and friendly request to talk and got flamed by an official OBSD developer. So who is yammering? They attack me and I defend. So go ahead, talk about what you want to, set your own agenda for the lists, and drive the developers away. Which agenda? Miscellaneous discussion about OpenBSD? That's what I've wanted to do. But don't think about. This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. I will never buy any of your CDs again. I regret that I've financed with CDs a value of a nice holiday trip. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like.
Re: openbsd list fckery
Congrats to the most useless post on misc ever. On 6/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
Re: Summer of Code ?
Well I think it's a great oppertunity to let a student dive into the OS and they would probobly continue to work on the project afterwards. I saw that and missed OpenBSD also. They had some nice projects over at NetBSD actually. // Dunceor On 6/3/05, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed White wrote: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Where is OpenBSD ? I don't think temporary summer project wonders workers are what we are after. Nick.
Re: Summer of Code ?
I'm actually tryin to do some of the NetBSD projects to OpenBSD directly, without caring about the google contest. I still think it's a good motivation for a student to spend alot of hours on it. But in the end, nobody should code on suchs projects for the money, but for the fun. I got a few plans as I said, I just need to do some research around it. // Dunceor On 6/3/05, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Dunceor . wrote: Ed White wrote: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Where is OpenBSD ? why is your email two days late? Well I think it's a great oppertunity to let a student dive into the OS and they would probobly continue to work on the project afterwards. I saw that and missed OpenBSD also. They had some nice projects over at NetBSD actually. it's not like a bsd rsync, or a better ffs, or ... wouldn't help openbsd either. hell, go do something for openbsd, port to netbsd, claim the money. -- all we're waiting for is for something worth waiting for
Re: Your worst dream comes true, thanks to Intel
Well in the end the OS need to support it so this doesn't concern us. In some new ARM cards there are something called TrustZone which can also be used to implement DRM. What Intel does is only offer the ability to implement DRM in the OS through hardware support. I don't defend them and say this is a good thing but a hardware supplier can never force you to use a specific OS. my 0.02$ On 5/31/05, Constantine A. Murenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intel announced its new dual-core Intel Pentium D processors and 945 chipsets, and combination thereof by the names of Lyndon and Anchor Creek. However, sources indicate that being dual-core is not the major feature of the new technologies. Guess what is? DRM. Yes, the one that might very well allow the worst dream of Treacherous Computing to come true, and George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four novel merge with reality. To make things even more interesting, Intel refused to make any official comments for security purposes. I guess what they want is to have everyone convert to the new platform, and then tell us, 'oh, btw, your computers are going to stop working in a few months unless you install one of the certified OSs from the US authorities'. 2002: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5858 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html etc 2005: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=13912 http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23548 http://digg.com/hardware/DRM_Embedded_In_New_Intel_Chips http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/28/1718200tid=118tid=155tid=137 websites: http://www.againsttcpa.com/ Finally, here is Intel press-release, which for obvious reasons does not mention anything about DRM: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20050526comp.htm Cheers, Constantine.
