[MLO] Re: A hard look at Google Calendar Integration

[imajeff]

I can think of reasons why not to have MLO use only it's own calendar. 
First, I did think this was the best way to make it well integrated, but as 
I learned how the team is spread thin, they had to get another team for the 
Android part (the main focus is Microsoft Windows)... So I don't think 
there's enough resource right now to make all the features of a calendar 
that people will want.
Further more, I want a special One Page Calendar format that nobody else 
will make commercially. It is meant to show the entire year but not having 
to write every month (just looks like one month).
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/one-page-calendar/

What I'm getting at: I'd like to see focus on open standards for 
syncronizing calendar data, then we can have the one we like and not have 
quality of the calendar views dilluted by not being able to keep improving 
them. Let someone else focus on Calendar application so that both can be 
really impressive, then master the art of making both work together without 
some giant company controlling what we can do and harvesting our data for 
their own gain.

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6 Patricio Carranza wrote:

> hi! I agree with the points but from my perspective the main solution 
> should be a calendar functionality built in MLO. As I mentioned on some 
> prior thread...all the filters and info you can track in MLO task would be 
> really helpful in a calendar view. not to mention the real time update MLO 
> task <--> MLO Calendar.
>
> once that's in place within MLO..then it comes implementing the ability to 
> evaluate how (according to your calendar) you are distributing your 
> time...e.g a report/dashboard where you see allocated time by flag, 
> context, etc, etc.
>
> Patricio.
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 4:35:06 AM UTC-3 Grant wrote:
>
>> I was quite excited when this feature was introduced.  It is not even 
>> anti-GTD, given GTD does include the use of a calendar for fixed 
>> appointments.
>>
>> Over time I have become less of a fan.  Below are a few of my comments on 
>> this topic.  Maybe others want to chime in, so that the MLO team can 
>> re-assess the importance and usefulness of this feature. 
>> Qualifier: Is it possible all these issues are Google Calendar 
>> restrictions - I would like to know if that is the case)
>> 1. The lack of automatic synchronization.  This causes a wealth of 
>> confusion when looking for an appointment entered in Google Calendar and 
>> not finding it, until you realize you forgot to manually sync from MLO.
>> 2. The lack of Sync via Mobile.  If you are on the road for a time, or 
>> mainly a mobile device user, the value of the integration is less, as MLO 
>> and Google Calendar will be at times our of sync.
>> 3. The 250 event limit.  When you have more, past events are removed from 
>> the Google Calendar.  
>>
>>- I miss not being able to visually browse back in my Events calendar 
>>to see what meetings I had and when.  
>>- *Repeating events count for the 250 limit! * This means one 
>>repeating event with no end forces all past events to be removed from the 
>>Google Calendar
>>
>> 4. Possibly not a MLO problem, but it seems I can not link my Google 
>> Calendar to MLO and to Evernote at the same time.  Does anyone else do this?
>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Recurrence -> Advanced Options -> Advanced Recurring -> Reset flag

[imajeff]

I agree mostly: I don't expect an official 'branch' would work for many 
reasons, so the only way I imagined is to just say forget about it, won't 
be resolved, and someone make their own task manager which may have 
familiarity but also needs written for the purposes we're talking about. 
Needs to be capable of being improved by community because nobody has 
resources to make every feature that is requested. "by the community, for 
the community" so to speak.

There is one thing I remember we were encouraged to do: work directly with 
the XML structure that saves our tasks. That might allow some manipulation 
and ability to do something like print my tree in the form I like. It's 
still very limiting when I'm not sure the rules for the XML format, and of 
course you could not edit it without having to reload later from MLO to see 
changes.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 3:35:43 AM UTC-6 Wolfgang wrote:

> I wouldn't go as far as a branch or even asking for them interfacing with 
> e.g. Python. But, we already have a trigger for task completion and we have 
> code for operations "clear flag" and "un-star". How much effort can it be 
> to add actions for operations that are already available through the user 
> interface?
>
> imajeff schrieb am Freitag, 22. März 2024 um 21:16:25 UTC+1:
>
>> I've not heard of them making a decision to change anything which already 
>> works a certain way. That's why people said MLO 6 was not really different 
>> than 5. Maybe time for a branch--if a different team could take the essence 
>> and start with a new approach to be scriptable and get the other needs 
>> reasonable.
>>
>> I get part of the reasoning to not change how something specific works, 
>> but maybe that means it's time to have a branch where some of us actually 
>> don't want it to be so tedious with features but not quite useful because 
>> of how hard it is to get the results that I need when life keeps 
>> progressing.
>>
>> I still hope someone will chime in saying, "sure we are working on it"
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 3:26:47 AM UTC-6 Wolfgang wrote:
>>
>> Is there any progress on that?
>>
>> For instance, I use the "Starred" column to select actions from my (GTD) 
>> list of active actions to be done today. For recurring tasks, the star/flag 
>> needs to be reset upon completion. I also sympathize with the idea of a 
>> scripting language or similar feature, now that we have the "Triggers and 
>> Actions" function, but nothing useful to do with it.
>>
>> imajeff schrieb am Montag, 14. März 2022 um 22:58:56 UTC+1:
>>
>> I've wanted many improvements to recurrence for over 10 years, and what 
>> would help most is first implement a scripting language that has control of 
>> manipulating everything. Scripts could be triggered by many events, and 
>> therefore could help define exactly what kind of recurrence I need in my 
>> organization.
>> Then, when people make useful scripts, they can be shared.
>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Recurrence -> Advanced Options -> Advanced Recurring -> Reset flag

[imajeff]

I've not heard of them making a decision to change anything which already 
works a certain way. That's why people said MLO 6 was not really different 
than 5. Maybe time for a branch--if a different team could take the essence 
and start with a new approach to be scriptable and get the other needs 
reasonable.

I get part of the reasoning to not change how something specific works, but 
maybe that means it's time to have a branch where some of us actually don't 
want it to be so tedious with features but not quite useful because of how 
hard it is to get the results that I need when life keeps progressing.

I still hope someone will chime in saying, "sure we are working on it"

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 3:26:47 AM UTC-6 Wolfgang wrote:

Is there any progress on that?

For instance, I use the "Starred" column to select actions from my (GTD) 
list of active actions to be done today. For recurring tasks, the star/flag 
needs to be reset upon completion. I also sympathize with the idea of a 
scripting language or similar feature, now that we have the "Triggers and 
Actions" function, but nothing useful to do with it.

imajeff schrieb am Montag, 14. März 2022 um 22:58:56 UTC+1:

I've wanted many improvements to recurrence for over 10 years, and what 
would help most is first implement a scripting language that has control of 
manipulating everything. Scripts could be triggered by many events, and 
therefore could help define exactly what kind of recurrence I need in my 
organization.
Then, when people make useful scripts, they can be shared.

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[MLO] Re: FOR FANS: private donation

[imajeff]

I learned some wisdom, that the value is not money (that's why they keep 
getting rid of it, in exchange for actual value).
I am not the "us" you mention, seems like it sure would be nice if a few 
dollars was only a tiny little bit.
However, I am also not the "others" you mention. Does that make sense? When 
I pitched in the entire $60 or whatever it was the first time I paid for 
MLO, I was giving nearly everything I had. Call it my autism, but extremely 
exausting to work out that much all at once and then try to still have a 
place to live but that's another story.

I just want people to know that it is not a tiny little action, for some of 
us but it doesn't mean we wouldn't help if we know a way that we could fit 
in.
I started trying to help my oldest brother because since our parents died 
nobody has given him money or bought his house to bail him out. After 
several years of letting him wear down my car because he already took the 
last breaths out of his, then I even acquired another car because someone 
else owed me money, and transferred the title to him. Now that car won't 
drive (probably ruined transmission by not taking care of), so back to me 
not having my car which I can't afford now to repair if it breaks down...
At the same time my previous wife had a young deer run it's head through 
the side of her car and so she borrows the car when she can't drive her 
mothers car because it is needed for doctors...
Anyway, I'm saying that there is never enough to go to everyone who needs 
it, so I'm learning to just accept that the reason I have nothing isn't all 
bad. At least I'm helping as many as I can right here around me. I also 
help those in the neighborhood who need help with their computers, because 
that is my value--even when I don't have numbers.

Best wishes to the remaining billions whom I have not been able to help 
enough. There is a time when we do need to feel bad, if we were not at 
least doing what we can to help at least somebody.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 4:01:12 AM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:

> IMHO - as you were talking about numbers - in this case it is about 
> numbers on the account of the MLO team :)
> Tiny little numbers for us, at the same time big numbers for others - 
> taken the context in account :).
> At the same time i do not want others to feel bad too; perhaps a little 
> tiny bit. ;)
>
> And about taking of - for me it is about the tiny little action to a) *donate 
> (*https://gofund.me/aa2aaf5d*) *and b) *tell the story *to others in ones 
> network - thats all.
> Just as a thought.
>
> Happy days -A
>
> imajeff schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2023 um 15:20:05 UTC+2:
>
>> I wouldn't want you to feel bad either just in case it doesn't seem to 
>> take off, since it's not really about numbers on a platform (like when ppl 
>> think they are a failure on youtube because they only got a thousand 
>> likes). I suspect everyone supports those struggling besides themselves. 
>> They hopefully support in their own ways if not through something public 
>> like gofundme, for example the examples of supporting by purchasing cloud 
>> sync and new MLO software. Ultimately best to spread the word, and help MLO 
>> have a good reputation.
>>
>> I also think your effort is a good way also helping raise awareness of 
>> Andre and the team striving to make MLO the best way to manage our life, 
>> even in times of war. I wish the best to everyone spreading love for 
>> others, and giving their best.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 4:25:45 AM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thx for looking and i understand your reluctance without MLO team 
>>> endoresement.
>>> In normal times i would too stay with being a renewing customer ;) - 
>>> however there are not normal times currently.
>>> So - The gofundme-initiative has been created by me to see if this 
>>> works. It is synched with the MLO-team.
>>>
>>> @MLO-team, can you please confirm briefly that this is not a scam, that 
>>> the gofundme-link is valid and trustworthy and that it works for you?
>>>
>>> thx -a
>>>
>>> Grant schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2023 um 12:14:31 UTC+2:
>>>
>>>> I have already opted to support them by ordering many years of cloud 
>>>> sync.  My next financial help will be to upgrade to version 6.  
>>>>
>>>> I like the idea of this GoFundMe, but there are indeed, too many 
>>>> smooth-talking scammers out there for me to trust this without seeing 
>>>> support for it on the MLO website, or a private email from them. 
>>>>
>>>> I am NOT saying this is a scam, and do 

[MLO] Re: FOR FANS: private donation

[imajeff]

I wouldn't want you to feel bad either just in case it doesn't seem to take 
off, since it's not really about numbers on a platform (like when ppl think 
they are a failure on youtube because they only got a thousand likes). I 
suspect everyone supports those struggling besides themselves. They 
hopefully support in their own ways if not through something public like 
gofundme, for example the examples of supporting by purchasing cloud sync 
and new MLO software. Ultimately best to spread the word, and help MLO have 
a good reputation.

I also think your effort is a good way also helping raise awareness of 
Andre and the team striving to make MLO the best way to manage our life, 
even in times of war. I wish the best to everyone spreading love for 
others, and giving their best.


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 4:25:45 AM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thx for looking and i understand your reluctance without MLO team 
> endoresement.
> In normal times i would too stay with being a renewing customer ;) - 
> however there are not normal times currently.
> So - The gofundme-initiative has been created by me to see if this works. 
> It is synched with the MLO-team.
>
> @MLO-team, can you please confirm briefly that this is not a scam, that 
> the gofundme-link is valid and trustworthy and that it works for you?
>
> thx -a
>
> Grant schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2023 um 12:14:31 UTC+2:
>
>> I have already opted to support them by ordering many years of cloud 
>> sync.  My next financial help will be to upgrade to version 6.  
>>
>> I like the idea of this GoFundMe, but there are indeed, too many 
>> smooth-talking scammers out there for me to trust this without seeing 
>> support for it on the MLO website, or a private email from them. 
>>
>> I am NOT saying this is a scam, and do not want to offend anyone, I am 
>> just giving my view on how I will deal with this, probably, a thoughtful 
>> initiative.   Maybe others who are uncomfortable with this initiative right 
>> now can also use my approach. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 11:09:38 AM UTC+2 A. W. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi imajeff,
>>>
>>> Fully agree on the scam-check! Rest assured, it is fully aligned with 
>>> the MLO-team.
>>> I am sure that they will add a comment about it and that they received 
>>> the initial money :).
>>> And rest assured, what ever is landing in the gofundme-thing is being 
>>> immediately tranferred to the MLO-team.
>>>
>>> To the donation point... i am a happy user of MLO since ages and it is a 
>>> great software and by this for sure a great team.
>>> And then there is ... Putin - no further comments about this "item".
>>>
>>> In that context i was only wondering, if every MLO 
>>> fan/user/enthusiast/.. sends a bit, then the MLO-team can be 
>>> helped/supported and/or help others in the current situation.
>>> And... it would not hurt ourselves.
>>>
>>> So thx for following up and evtl. donating a bit :).
>>> Happy to continue the conversation and or thinking about other ways to 
>>> help out in a balanced, reasonalbe and effective way.
>>>
>>> imajeff schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2023 um 01:33:27 UTC+2:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why you did not answer the question I was wondering, at 
>>>> all. What you said is that I should have already given my entire life 
>>>> savings to "Jill" who accidentally text me when she was trying to ask Jane 
>>>> when they should meet. Since it was fate her meeting me, we eventually 
>>>> fell 
>>>> in love over text and she had problems so I sent all $300,000 to her so 
>>>> that she could finally make it to america and we could meet in person.
>>>> Is that what you mean? We should give all our money to a gofundme 
>>>> accound without first asking MyLifeOrganized to post and confirm whether 
>>>> they agree we should give money to this account? You said just donate 
>>>> without being sure, then find out later if it was a scam?
>>>> We already talked in this group about ways to help the MyLifeOrganized 
>>>> team, but there were not any gofundme mentioned so I want to make sure 
>>>> what 
>>>> the team says about this.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:06:41 PM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi imajeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> According to *Tony Robbins*: *“Knowing is not enough! You must take 
>>>>> action.”*
>>>>> My suggestion is 

[MLO] Re: FOR FANS: private donation

[imajeff]

I'm not sure why you did not answer the question I was wondering, at all. 
What you said is that I should have already given my entire life savings to 
"Jill" who accidentally text me when she was trying to ask Jane when they 
should meet. Since it was fate her meeting me, we eventually fell in love 
over text and she had problems so I sent all $300,000 to her so that she 
could finally make it to america and we could meet in person.
Is that what you mean? We should give all our money to a gofundme accound 
without first asking MyLifeOrganized to post and confirm whether they agree 
we should give money to this account? You said just donate without being 
sure, then find out later if it was a scam?
We already talked in this group about ways to help the MyLifeOrganized 
team, but there were not any gofundme mentioned so I want to make sure what 
the team says about this.

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:06:41 PM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:

> Hi imajeff,
>
> According to *Tony Robbins*: *“Knowing is not enough! You must take 
> action.”*
> My suggestion is :) ... for you and for everybody "wondering" too - follow 
> the steps:
>
>1. donate -  https://gofund.me/aa2aaf5d
>2. share in your network - about the need and the great work the MLO 
>team is doing
>3. ask universe for help ;)
>
> cheers -Alexander
>
>
> imajeff schrieb am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2023 um 21:07:42 UTC+2:
>
>> Seems like a good idea... I've wondered how easy to make sure it gets to 
>> the right people
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a longtime user of MLO and thought - lets see if we can help
>>>
>>> For this i created: https://gofund.me/aa2aaf5d.
>>> *This is no scam or a like - just the attempt to help out!!!*
>>> The money will sent to the MLO team - just the cost for "gofund.me" 
>>> deducted - all well documented.
>>> Happy to share any details about my authenticity.
>>>
>>> Cheers -Alexander
>>>
>>>

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[MLO] Re: FOR FANS: private donation

[imajeff]

Seems like a good idea... I've wondered how easy to make sure it gets to 
the right people

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-6 A. W. wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a longtime user of MLO and thought - lets see if we can help
>
> For this i created: https://gofund.me/aa2aaf5d.
> *This is no scam or a like - just the attempt to help out!!!*
> The money will sent to the MLO team - just the cost for "gofund.me" 
> deducted - all well documented.
> Happy to share any details about my authenticity.
>
> Cheers -Alexander
>
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: Cloud sync limits

[imajeff]

Anyone been reading my replies, I want to clarify why I wrote about MLO 
being great for switching focus when my life is all in one file... not 
trying to convince you of anything but just saying the problem isn't really 
about focus if you need separate files. Steve did write eventually that the 
point is about isolating different branches, for the purpose of giving each 
to a separate entity.
So I agree you could only do that with MLO by separate files unless they 
made this possible.
Yeah, I'd need it too if I was doing more than 3 but I couldn't handle more 
clients.

Makes sense when I saw what their limit is, and I've thought of the 
following ideas which I hope they would consider:

   - I'd really like to see MyLifeOrganized offer ways to isolate branches 
   without needing different files (because some things I would want to do in 
   common to all).
   - Even if I don't need each separated branch to cloud-sync, I'd like the 
   ability to quickly export some of my tree to a separate file which can be 
   opened by somebody, perhaps even with a free trial of MLO.
   - With cloud sync it would be nice to set up another sync that only 
   syncs specific branch(es) of my one file. I picture like the chroot command 
   in Linux.
   - I'd like ability to set profiles in one MLO file where it's more like 
   multiple installations where each accesses limited parts of the whole tree 
   but can control environment for each, like contexts, views, etc.

Well it's probably too much to expect from the current way MLO is designed 
but that's why I wanted it designed from the ground up to support API and 
scripting so that we could add features we know how, then can share with 
other MLO users like a modern community.

Thanks Steve I'm glad you brought up the issue so we could at least discuss 
it.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-6 imajeff wrote:

> For me it's a big deal that MLO is designed for exactly what you said you 
> need: to focus on the one thing you should be focused on. That means you 
> should have your entire life in ONE file, yet projects can be focused on 
> when it's time to focus on that one. For example if my project is in a 
> subfolder I can zoom as someone mentioned and I only see that one set of 
> tasks and subtasks, as if it is the ONLY set of tasks in the file, even 
> though it's not.
>
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:06:37 AM UTC-6 Steven Barnett wrote:
>
>> I guess I’m no different to anyone else. I have developed a way of 
>> working that works for me and that I am comfortable with. MLO helps me 
>> achieve what I want to and does it very well. I see no need to change for 
>> the sake of change or to fit in with an artificial constraint. Especially 
>> as MLO have the will to remove the constraint – not all companies are 
>> willing to do that, so credit to MLO.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looking at mural.co, it appears to be more of a drawing/whiteboard tool. 
>> That’s great for designing a UI but I find the structured style of an 
>> outliner easier for clients to expand their thoughts. A client will 
>> typically come with a request “I want the software to do X and this is how 
>> you do that”. Their thinking is limited to the feature they want and they 
>> have decided how your software is going to achieve it. That gives me a 
>> starting point of “I want X” – the how is nothing to do with them; that’s 
>> my problem.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Once I have a requirement of “X”, I can map out the consequences of 
>> delivering it, so we’re all clear on what it is exactly they have asked for 
>> (most clients typically have a very narrow view of change requests). I can 
>> also map out potential extensions that make “X” more productive (which also 
>> lets me make it more generic and less focussed on a specific client need). 
>> I can explain why “X” is good but why “Y” might be better and more 
>> flexible. That can’t be done effectively in diagramming tools (well, not by 
>> me). 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I’ve found in the past that clients get a clearer understanding when they 
>> can see the cause/effect in a hierarchical form. It also prompts more 
>> in-depth thinking. I’ve lost track of the number of times I have presented 
>> a potential extension to a client idea and they have run with it and 
>> expanded out their thinking to a more comprehensive change. It’s a game – 
>> not to deliver precisely what they asked for but to try and tease out that 
>> additional functionality that you know they’re going to come back for. It 
>> makes for a happier client and that’s what we’re all after at the end of 
>> the day (isn’t it?). MLO does an excellent job of that.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards a single file

Re: [MLO] Re: Cloud sync limits

[imajeff]

is for the fun and to keep 
> my brain active, so separate licences isn’t an option.
>
>  
>
> There are definitely opportunities where I could merge files. My flight 
> log v1 is ‘finished’ so I use that file for managing bugs.  My v2 is 
> nearing the end of development so has a couple of features I need to 
> finish. My v3 is in requirements gathering so is pretty dynamic and gets 
> exposed regularly to the client I am developing it with. I could put these 
> in a single file but that risks exposing my bug list and my development 
> list to a client who doesn’t need to know. Especially if I decide to move 
> some of the functionality from v2 to v3. It does not pay to set 
> expectations that you cannot achieve.
>
>  
>
> While developing v2 I also developed an XCFramework for a PDF generator. 
> That’s a generic library that is not specific to the flight log and that 
> will be used in other apps. I put that into a separate file so I could 
> focus on it without the distraction of the outstanding v2 and v3 work.
>
>  
>
> While developing that, I also decided there were activities that I only 
> did occasionally and that took too long. I wanted a tool for the Mac that 
> could help me with these things, so I put that into a separate file because 
> it’s an internal tool and for the Mac rather than a client tool for iOS. 
>
>  
>
> Having them in separate files allows me to narrow my focus to the task in 
> hand. When you’re juggling a number of projects, focus is your best friend. 
> Yes, I could put all of these into one file and have the top most level be 
> the logical separation, but that makes it too easy to update the wrong 
> project and to expose information I do not want to share with a client.
>
>  
>
> It is absolutely vital that client facing information is kept separate 
> from anything internal.
>
>  
>
> The ‘one file’ concept may work for you and others. It doesn’t work for 
> me. Extrapolating, I only need one Word document. Word supports sections in 
> a document so every separate document could be a section in one file. I can 
> edit one section at a time and can print a page range, so why would I want 
> to create separate documents? It’s even better to have one document because 
> I could ensure the same styles for everything I produce. Same argument for 
> Excel as it has thousands of cells and multiple tabs. I could have one tab 
> per project. Why would I want separate files. Apart from organisation, of 
> course. Mind you, if I only had one Word and one Excel document their 
> organisation would be easy.
>
>  
>
> Pushing to extremes, I could have one SQL database and use schemas to 
> separate dev, Q, uat and prod tables. It’s possible. What could possibly 
> go wrong? 
>
>  
>
> Maybe I’m not using MLO correctly. I’m using it as a brain storming tool 
> to flesh out a new release of a product or web site and then as a project 
> management tool to deliver the new release. I’ve always designed and 
> developed a new release starting with a new project. No professional 
> project manager would go with a single project file for all releases, past 
> and future. 
>
>  
>
> I could bang on for hours on the advantage of separate files. I suspect 
> every argument I make could be refuted in favour of a single file. My past 
> experience had led to separate files. Yours has led to a single file. 
> That’s the nice thing about being human; we’re not all the same.
>
>  
>
> Maybe you’re right. Maybe I should look for another tool. MLO have given 
> me 30 files for now and that’s plenty for what I am doing. 
>
>  
>
> I suppose I could go back to Dynalist which gives me unlimited files for 
> free. I prefer MLO though. I could go back to CarbonFin Outliner, but 
> that’s iPad only and I had to write my own Windows application to read the 
> files (I’m not yet competent enough to write a Mac client - but I’m getting 
> there). I prefer MLO though as I can run Windows, iOS and Mac.
>
>  
>
> I’ve written software in the past where I had a clear definition of how it 
> was to be used and what could be achieved with it. Then customers got hold 
> of it and did amazing things I had never contemplated. That’s the joy of 
> writing software. Quite often I thought to myself that users were using it 
> wrong… that’s not what I intended. But the fact that they could use it how 
> they wanted to use it and not how I prescribed it should be used was so 
> satisfying. MLO have done the same. They let me use it how I want to use it 
> and, when I came up against an arbitrary limitation, they fixed the limit. 
> All credit to them.
>
> Steve Barnett
>
>
>
> On 5 Aug 2023, at 23:23, imajeff  w

Re: [MLO] Re: Cloud sync limits

[imajeff]

Steve could you enlighten me on what is less managable? I simply put 
unrelated tasks in separate folders. The only reason I have two actual 
files is because one is for my employer and the other is personal, on my 
devices at home.

If I was working with a file for each client say in my contract work and it 
was necessary to keep each database separate, then mybe it would be worth 
charging enough to pay a separate license for each client.
Then again, Andre did say you could arrange to have more than 10 for some 
special case, so I'm happy to see that's possible.
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:52:54 PM UTC-6 Steven Barnett wrote:

> I get it. So much of software is compromises and you set a limit. I 
> appreciate that and fully understand your reasoning. From my side, having 
> spent the last 45 years writing software and managing projects (simple and 
> scarily complex) I’ve developed the habit of separating projects. 
>
> I love using MLO for managing the projects I am involved in now I’m 
> retired but old habits die hard and splitting projects that are not 
> logically connected is second nature. I could merge some of my projects and 
> reduce the file count but that would make them less manageable. 
>
> MLO does everything I want of it. It’s an excellent tool. I do my thinking 
> on the iPad, sync to the Mac when doing Mac development and sync to Windows 
> for everything else and for printing. It’s a great workflow.
>
> My previous tool (CarbonFin Outliner) was a good tool and solved the 
> problem by letting me sync to OneDrive. Sadly, it has no Mac app and the 
> iPad app won’t run on the M2 Mac. I wrote my own tool for Windows. Syncing 
> to OneDrive was its major advantage. MLO beats it hands down in every other 
> way.
>
> Maybe I need a different project management package. I doubt that would 
> work for me as MLO doesn’t over complicate things the way full project 
> management tools do. 
>
> Maybe you could take a tiered approach to cloud. I’d happily pay a little 
> extra for the extra files.
>
> Steve Barnett
> st...@sabarnett.co.uk
>
> On 4 Aug 2023, at 19:13, Andrey Tkachuk (MLO)  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
>
> >I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to the 
> cloud sync service
> Yes, by default there is a limit of 10 cloud files (not MLO projects) that 
> a user can synchronize with one account.
>
> >Bit of a pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who knows, 
> they my fix it before I renew.
> This is more of a limitation than a problem. Since we pay Amazon Web 
> Services for each request to the MLO cloud, we had to set a limit to 
> prevent abuse of the system and control the workload. 
> The limit we set is satisfactory for almost all of our users. In addition, 
> we can increase the limit manually for some users who request it.
> In the future, we will consider how to optimize this behavior for users 
> requiring more resources while keeping the load manageable. 
>
> Thanks,
> Andrey. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:53:18 AM UTC+3 st...@sabarnett.co.uk 
> wrote:
>
>> I had a response today. Apparently there is a limit of 10 and, if you 
>> need more, they have to update it manually. I will have to contact them 
>> whenever I renew my cloud sync because it will revert to 10 each time I 
>> renew. Bit of a pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who 
>> knows, they my fix it before I renew.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 23:12:20 UTC+1 dti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've never run into this.  I just did a quick count and have a little 
>>> under 40 active projects.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:25:08 AM UTC-5 Steven Barnett wrote:
>>>
 I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to the 
 cloud sync service. It has limited me to 10. I tend to do a lot of small 
 projects, so have a lot of separate outlines to sync at the same time. Now 
 I’m stuck on the 11th because I cannot sync it.

 I contacted support, but got no response. Does anyone here know how I 
 might get round this limit please? I don’t want to start merging projects 
 as that won’t make much sense organisationally.

 Thanks

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Re: [MLO] Is there ever going to be a web app for MLO?

[imajeff]

Wow KC I don't think that assumption is worth 2 cents to anyone actually 
trying to manage team projects if they were properly trained to use 
commercial solutions. Still, that debate is quite off-topic from the 
question here.

I agree it would help a lot to have capability for at least my family to 
use a web app version so we could all see the same tasks wherever we are. I 
just don't think the MLO code was written so far in a way that would make 
the web app possible. In other words, pretty much a total recreation 
online, would have to have clear technical documentation on how every 
feature has to work so that it could be compatible.

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 6:28:32 AM UTC-6 KC Yang (KC) wrote:

> I think there is a fine line between what MLO can do. Just my 2 cents.
>
> Thomas Girard 在 2022年1月3日 星期一下午5:59:42 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道：
>
>> .. I think MLO is a personal outliner. not a team Project management 
>> tool. For project management you need something else. Like ASANA, 
>> Openproject or something else.
>>
>> Le lun. 3 janv. 2022 à 10:54, KC Yang  a écrit :
>>
>>> A webapp version could be helpful for project collaboration by multiple 
>>> users while personal important GTD can still place in MLO app, just my 2 
>>> cents.
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 January 2022 at 17:45:57 UTC+8 thomas.g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> MLO is powerfull because this is a software... and not an APP in a 
>>>> browser. I have tested CHECKVIST and Dynalist during 1 year, which are the 
>>>> most advanced Wep outliner son the market and guess what... I'm moving 
>>>> back 
>>>> to MLO on Desktop and my productivity is finaly as high as it should be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le vendredi 19 novembre 2021 à 03:07:27 UTC+1, imajeff a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Just keep in mind a few things:
>>>>>
>>>>>- The leaks and compromized passwords are not happening all over 
>>>>>because they were "web apps". They happen the same whether it is web 
>>>>> app, 
>>>>>other type of server, and home computers.
>>>>>- One of the most talked about ways these days is social 
>>>>>engineering (you were tricked into doing something)
>>>>>- Frankly, your own computer and everything on it's drives is not 
>>>>>protected if you (1) have any amount of access to the Internet on your 
>>>>>computer, (2) run any software not written by yourself because who can 
>>>>> you 
>>>>>trust, (3) your own software had a flaw that someone was able to 
>>>>> exploit.
>>>>>- Those common holes in your local security are not even about 
>>>>>whether your password was easy to guess for a hacker that can try 
>>>>> passwords 
>>>>>more than a million guesses per second.
>>>>>- For the infamous "wannacry" attacks, it was strictly the OS 
>>>>>itself (like Windows XP with all updated security patches installed) 
>>>>> which 
>>>>>the users could not trust. The only way was to pull the plug on the 
>>>>>Internet to be sure you were save from bad stuff being ran on your 
>>>>> computer 
>>>>>by hackers.
>>>>>
>>>>> So yeah there is a choice not to put our own data on the cloud for 
>>>>> now, but we need to understand a lot more than that to protect ourselves 
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:45:42 AM UTC-7 
>>>>> laurence...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Encryption of the database itself would be an additional level of 
>>>>>> security, but the truth is, as we see from data leaks and compromised 
>>>>>> passwords, that are regularly in the news, so far there is no truly 
>>>>>> secure 
>>>>>> way of running the internet and webapps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But webapps which reflect the current data, working with device apps 
>>>>>> which have much shared design and code, are also an attractive option, 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> I use some alongside MLO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the user decides, with any app, whether some data is best 
>>>>>> kept offline for personal security.
>>>>>&

[MLO] Re: Can't seem to find how to convert back to MLO 5

[imajeff]

Wow I never knew you could save as the previous version file. I always say 
back up your data (especially before updating), and I like to use a spare 
computer to test the new major version before I install on my main machine.

Sure enough in MLO5 I can save as ML04 .ml file so that sounds neat (and 
wouldn't trust unless my only chance)

When it keeps asking to upgrade, I assume I can just click the skip this 
version button to stop asking.

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> File menu>Save as> choose the save as type to be MLO5.
> uninstall MLO6 and open that file with MLO5.  
> Beware that upgrading to MLO6 breaks your ability to archive and requires 
> exporting to xml format and re-importing.  
> Something I haven't gotten around to doing because it's a bit of a crap 
> show.
>
> Be prepared for reminders to upgrade everytime you open this program.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:09:22 PM UTC-4 Craino wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it's a button or link right in front of my face, but can't seem 
>> to find it anywhere in the app or help pages.  I've given 6 a few days and 
>> just don't see enough to justify a new registration so want to switch back.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[MLO] Re: How to change interface language to English in Windows application?

[imajeff]

Wait what? I do not have any "Language" in Options (MLO 5.2.1)
Is that only possible in 6 or something? We are of course talking about the 
Windows MLO, right?

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:48:56 AM UTC-7 mj100 wrote:

> Hi Aleksi,
>
> Try changing this in settings? 
>
> [image: 2023-02-09 10_27_51-Options.png]
>
> [image: 2023-02-09 10_29_34-Options.png]
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:58:55 AM UTC-8 ALEKSEI GORIANSKII wrote:
>
>> Hi! Historically I started with MLO many years ago in Russian. Now I 
>> prefer to use English. But I see no way to switch the Windows application 
>> interface language from Russian to English. My Windows is in English. I 
>> have installed MLO again with MLO-Setup.exe instead of MLO-Setup-ru.exe But 
>> the language is still Russian. So, any ideas?
>
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[MLO] Re: Reference / Notes entries?

[imajeff]

Just a quick think, since the note in each task is so simple and only text, 
I like to paste a URL and that could point to data anywhere in any format, 
for example local file path, online, even other applications (I would like 
to use The Brain 8 more since I own it).

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:37:07 PM UTC-7 LazPL wrote:

> Hi, I'm a GTD person who just jumped back into MLO after... 8 years away!
> I think MLO will work very well for my GTD but one thing I can't figure 
> out is what to do with reference materials, such as notes, links, and the 
> like - How do you set those up in MLO? Or do you keep them in separate 
> systems?
> Looking forward to learning how you do it!
>

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[MLO] Re: How does MLO Sync really work?

[imajeff]

- I assume that Dan is only talking about the cloud sync which is an extra 
subscription. I did a trial and never had to manually sync but I couldn't 
tell how often or if it's just a change that triggered it.
- For direct sync between my PC and Android phone, I use what they call 
WiFi sync that is no extra cost but does not even pretend to be automatic. 
I have to tap the sync on the phone to update both (and they both have to 
be on the same LAN subnet)

- Note, saying "MLO Sync" isn't clear which one you mean.
- Important to point out that in cloud sync, there is no communication from 
one to the other. Your phone would have to decide when to sync with cloud, 
and independently your PC woul have to decide when to sync with cloud. 
Could cause bigger delays.


On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 2:47:40 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> I actually find that it does work pretty seamlessly. I rarely have to 
> trigger the sync manually. On PC, it syncs regularly, and also syncs before 
> you close the app. With the app, you may want to double-check the app's 
> settings on your phone, as Android tends to be pretty aggressive with 
> putting apps to "sleep". I have sleep and battery-saving disabled for the 
> MLO app on my device.
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 2:40:04 AM UTC-5 Frank wrote:
>
>> I use MLO on pc and on Android Devices. I doubt that the sync feature 
>> really works seamlessly in the background. If so in what intervals MLO gets 
>> synced automatically?
>>
>> It looks like i always have to start manually the synchronization on the 
>> pc with F12 and on the android devices by pressing the cloud symbol. I have 
>> Auto-Sync and Push on but i guess it doesn´t work. 
>>
>> I found it very disappointing that although you pay a lot of money for 
>> the sync-feature it doesn´t work like a modern synchronisation should work. 
>> Fast and automatically. 
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[imajeff]

"These are not the text tags you're looking for," totally what I thought 
when I learned that the development team did not make this to be "text 
tags" really. It's just another way to make them searchable with special 
kewords you can make up in that text field but not add more custom fields. 
When someone tells you this is how it works, they are not trying to make a 
point of their own. MLO was just not designed to allow you to add multiple 
custom fields. Sure, I wish it was.

I realized more than 13 years ago that this software does not come from our 
language or culture. Wording gets lost in translation. The way they decide 
how things should work is not my way. It can be surprising how culture can 
change popular thinking, but I accept that's probably why things like this 
seem so non-intuitive in my experience. Guess we gotta design our own if we 
want it a different way.


On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:13:10 AM UTC-6 westpo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m 
> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix 
> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>
>  
>
> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather 
> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, 
> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me 
> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a 
> folder or flag.
>
>  
>
> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>
>  
>
> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>
> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you 
> will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>
> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols 
> like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not 
> show the search result with the task name. 
>
>  
>
> hope this helps.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci  
> wrote:
>
> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag. 
>
> Thanks. MC
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[MLO] Re: importance task setting

[imajeff]

Does it make sense if a task "doesn't have a parent" then it IS the 
parent...
Yeah all tasks are evaluated by their importance when the view wants to 
order them by importance. Being a subtask just means your importance might 
change depending on where you fall in a hierarchy.

Fun fact they hired a mathemetician specifically to create this fairly 
complex formula to give each task a value that would make sense. They don't 
want to mess up that just trying to adjust one outcome so it's been very 
stable.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 3:51:38 PM UTC-6 ja...@sysjames.com wrote:

> What does the importance task setting do if the task doesn't have a parent?

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Re: [MLO] Re: Sorting changes on Zoom

[imajeff]

I replicated the issue, as I mentioned the zoom view is apparently being 
sorted, and saves it's sort setting. Notice to leave the zoom you have that 
yellow bar "Click to zoom-out"... but if you barely miss that and hit right 
below it, "*All tasks > >" then it will instantly sort the task names in 
alphabetical order. His image shows it is reverse-alphabetical order, which 
happens if I make that same mistake a second time.

To restore it I was either able to click "Discard changes" which would be a 
button at bottom of the filter stuff on the left, or I can click the "Sort" 
button above there and change where it says "Caption" to "(none)"

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:07:46 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:

> I cannot replicate this issue.  All my lists stay the same order when I 
> zoom, whether or not I am using the complete subtasks in order feature.  
> Interesting..  This is also a windows desktop currently running 
> win10pro version 21h2 19044.2006 build
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 4:04 AM Laurence Glazier  
> wrote:
>
>> To clarify the issue
>>
>> In outline view
>>
>> Before zooming:
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-09-27 085608.png]
>>
>> After zooming on Reset branch:
>>
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-09-27 085929.png]
>>
>> After zooming out again it returns to the sequence I want.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 08:50:49 UTC+1 Laurence Glazier wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, that's right, in the Active Actions view, but I was just using 
>>> the Outline view, to keep things simple!
>>> However I like that feature, and also dependent tasks,
>>>
>>> On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 23:39:28 UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off the top of my head, each parent task or folder has an option to 
>>>> "Complete subtasks in order"
>>>> Maybe that's what you need in every place that you are going to add 
>>>> more tasks inside of?
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-6 laurence...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have come back to MLO after a gap of some weeks. I'm using it for 
>>>>> checklists, where I have found it to shine. However, on my Windows 
>>>>> desktop, 
>>>>> on zooming into one of my checklists (they are in an outline, each list 
>>>>> having its own branch), I find that the order of steps changes. 
>>>>> Cancelling 
>>>>> the zoom reverts the sequence to what it was. Has anyone an idea of what 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> going on here? As I listed items in the sequence I planned to do them, I 
>>>>> cannot use MLO for this purpose on Windows (It works perfectly on my 
>>>>> Android phone).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Laurence
>>>>>
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[MLO] Re: Sorting changes on Zoom

[imajeff]

Off the top of my head, each parent task or folder has an option to 
"Complete subtasks in order"
Maybe that's what you need in every place that you are going to add more 
tasks inside of?

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-6 laurence...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have come back to MLO after a gap of some weeks. I'm using it for 
> checklists, where I have found it to shine. However, on my Windows desktop, 
> on zooming into one of my checklists (they are in an outline, each list 
> having its own branch), I find that the order of steps changes. Cancelling 
> the zoom reverts the sequence to what it was. Has anyone an idea of what is 
> going on here? As I listed items in the sequence I planned to do them, I 
> cannot use MLO for this purpose on Windows (It works perfectly on my 
> Android phone).
>
> Thanks
>
> Laurence
>

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[MLO] Re: Outline view unexpectedly switches to the "completed tasks shown" mode

[imajeff]

I tried it just now and it seemed like it did change the Outline to show 
completed tasks when they were hidden. I noticed the TODO view was set to 
show all, so I changed it to hidden and then it no longer changed Outline 
to show hidden, as if it were just not changing that to the view that 
double-clicking a task jumped to.
But... now I can't go back and reproduce the problem I am sure I saw.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:23:58 AM UTC-6 Jan Šotola wrote:

> Solved.
>
> I had my "Outline view" tab somehow LOCKED in the "Completed task mode".
> Sorry for disturbing. 
>
> On Monday, 5 September 2022 at 13:31:40 UTC+2 Jan Šotola wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been noticing this behavior for a few days, probably since upgrading 
>> to MLO-Windows 5.2.0 (I'm not sure when I did the upgrade):
>>
>> Repro:
>>
>>1. I'm in the "Outline view" and the "Completed tasks" switch is in 
>>the "hidden" mode
>>2. I switch to the "TODO view" and double-click on any task there.
>>3. I'm switched to the "Outline view", but now the "Completed tasks" 
>>is in the "shown" mode.
>>
>> I'm sure MLO did not do that before and I don't like that it does now. 
>> If it is a bug, please fix it. If it is a new feature, please tell me how 
>> to switch it off. 
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jan Šotola
>> (MLO registered to e-mail address "jan.sotola AT rebex.cz")
>>
>

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[MLO] Re: Can my car be a location based context?

[imajeff]

Well, Context was of course intended to be locations or whatever already 
(it just has to be switched by hand when you want to see only that context) 
so the only difference with the new kind of context called "location based" 
is if the device running MLO has it's own GPS and MLO has the API to ask it 
so it can automatically switch.

If your device cannot provide GPS location to the MLO app then we couldn't 
do anything about that because the phone isn't going to have an API for 
asking the car what coordinates you've gone to.

If @town doesn't actually mean a specific GPS location, that's another 
problem you would have to just tell MLO to switch to the context you want 
to see (I.e could not be location based but the old fashioned way).

On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-6 devan wrote:

> Greetings to all. 
>
> Although I've used MLO since the pocket PC, I have just started using 
> location based contexts in earnest.  
>
> I have set the locations of my home and work appropriately and the MLO 
> todo widget updates my todo tasks dynamically.  Brilliant!
>
> One of my most used context is @town.  This refers to errands I can do 
> while I am neither  @work nor @home.  How can I configure the widget so 
> that when I am either in my car, or not in either work at home, to list 
> those tasks designated as @town?
>
> Alternatively, can I assign a task state if my car's bluetooth or wifi is 
> recognized?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Devan
>

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[MLO] Re: Bug / Missing feature - hierarchical sorting

[imajeff]

Thank you Alyona,
I liked what you were saying, I just could not understand why I had no 
button right there where your screenshot shows the "Discard changes". 
Obviously, I could not click it until it was there...

Now I found out I have to expand by clicking "^ Filter" and then the Views 
collapse to show that. Interesting you cannot save a view until you hide 
the views. Then as I was right you cannot save Outline (defaut view) so I 
saved as "Outline1". Now I have what I needed. I've mentioned that I had 
not been using filters and maybe I knew 10 years ago. Now I see the button, 
which answers my other question how to even save a filter. Obviously, those 
options weren't available until I learned to expand that.

Also I am just suggesting that if you click on a heading that says "Task 
Name" you would know it will change sort order by that specifically, so 
maybe someone could think of better wording for users to know. I had 
thought maybe clicking it could change to not show All or something. At 
least you finally told me what it means, but I didn't know if that asterisk 
was there before so it all seemed so cryptic. Documenting is hard but I 
hope you have that explained someplace.
Thanks again

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:13:43 AM UTC-6 Alyona (MLO Support) wrote:

> The asterisk in "View: *All tasks > >" means that the view has unsaved 
> changes. It is no longer the same as it was by default or last saved. In 
> your case it changed when you clicked on the heading. 
>
> You can "Discard changes" to revert the view to its original state. Or, it 
> may be enough to only disable that alphabetical sorting - this can be done 
> in the filter settings <https://prnt.sc/f6d-zaoer17E>: Filter -> 
> Group -> Sort -> set sorting to (None). 
>
> We agree that this should be clearer, and we will consider improvements. 
> Thank you for the comments, we really appreciate them. 
>
> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 10:59:52 PM UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>
>> Interesting; I've never seen a "save view" button let alone any "Discard 
>> changes". This is the "Outline" tab, a default; Is that what a view is, 
>> each tab? I struggle just to get something I can be productive with, so I 
>> don't have time to create special views.
>> Is this documented, whatever you are referring to?
>>
>> The heading I clicked only says "View: *All tasks > >" so there was not 
>> even any indication it would try to sort top-level tasks in alphabetical 
>> order. There is lack of communication as well as the problem I didn't even 
>> know what had been done or if I needed to undo until later.
>>
>> The thing is, if a "saved" view is listing each task and in my custom 
>> order, do you mean when I clicked that heading which sorted by alphabetical 
>> order,  there is no "alphabetical order" mode being saved? It just 
>> independently saves an order which happened to be alphabetical that time? 
>> Is that why there is no way to change the sort back to not alphabetical?
>> This is perplexing, from a design point of view.
>>
>> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:52:32 AM UTC-6 Alyona (MLO Support) wrote:
>>
>>> I am sorry that you faced this issue. By clicking "Discard changes" (here 
>>> <https://prnt.sc/3d4D1jCV7EYA>is the screenshot) you should be able to 
>>> get to the original outline if you previously saved your view. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:56:01 PM UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now my order of the outline is all messed up because I thought, "no way 
>>>> it would mess up the order when I carefully created tasks in the logical 
>>>> order I need in my outline!"
>>>> Why would anybody want to mess that up? And is there any way to get my 
>>>> original outline back after it changed top level to alphabetical order? 
>>>> Seriously it should not have changed any order when I clicked the heading 
>>>> of the main All Tasks view unless there was a way to restore the order I 
>>>> created and dragged tasks to.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:57:10 AM UTC-6 patricio... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi All, I'm facing this same issue Radek describes here. is it a bug 
>>>>> or sorting only works at level zero by design?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Patricio.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-3 radek... wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>&

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
(syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved 
but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It 
seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way 
someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
one that didn't win).

But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language 
to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start 
so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the 
ideas. Let's make MLO great again

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:

> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also 
> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan 
> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day 
> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison  
> wrote:
>
>> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as 
>> I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>>
>> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on 
>> a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it every 
>> few years.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>>
>> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:
>>
>>> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
>>> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>>>
>>> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
>>> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
>>> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
>>> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, 
>>> Siri reminders, ...)
>>>
>>> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
>>> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using 
>>> workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
>>> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is 
>>> neither a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
>>> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt 
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
>>> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support 
>>> me more in focusing at the current task.
>>> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
>>> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task 
>>> bar/window, showing 
>>>
>>>- the task I am working on 
>>>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>>>(pomodoro technique) 
>>>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or 
>>>links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>>>
>>> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
>>> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>>>
>>> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 
>>> UTC+2:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
>>>> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
>>>> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>>>>
>>>> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
>>>> easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
>>>> that they "fill"
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know 
>>>> is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a 
>>>> dedicated 
>>>> column would be great to see them all at a glance
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!!
>>>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> THIS!
>>>>>
>>>>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find 
>>>>> I did occurrences into the future
>>>>>
>>&g

[MLO] Re: Bug / Missing feature - hierarchical sorting

[imajeff]

Interesting; I've never seen a "save view" button let alone any "Discard 
changes". This is the "Outline" tab, a default; Is that what a view is, 
each tab? I struggle just to get something I can be productive with, so I 
don't have time to create special views.
Is this documented, whatever you are referring to?

The heading I clicked only says "View: *All tasks > >" so there was not 
even any indication it would try to sort top-level tasks in alphabetical 
order. There is lack of communication as well as the problem I didn't even 
know what had been done or if I needed to undo until later.

The thing is, if a "saved" view is listing each task and in my custom 
order, do you mean when I clicked that heading which sorted by alphabetical 
order,  there is no "alphabetical order" mode being saved? It just 
independently saves an order which happened to be alphabetical that time? 
Is that why there is no way to change the sort back to not alphabetical?
This is perplexing, from a design point of view.

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:52:32 AM UTC-6 Alyona (MLO Support) wrote:

> I am sorry that you faced this issue. By clicking "Discard changes" (here 
> <https://prnt.sc/3d4D1jCV7EYA>is the screenshot) you should be able to 
> get to the original outline if you previously saved your view. 
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:56:01 PM UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>
>> Now my order of the outline is all messed up because I thought, "no way 
>> it would mess up the order when I carefully created tasks in the logical 
>> order I need in my outline!"
>> Why would anybody want to mess that up? And is there any way to get my 
>> original outline back after it changed top level to alphabetical order? 
>> Seriously it should not have changed any order when I clicked the heading 
>> of the main All Tasks view unless there was a way to restore the order I 
>> created and dragged tasks to.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:57:10 AM UTC-6 patricio... wrote:
>>
>>> hi All, I'm facing this same issue Radek describes here. is it a bug or 
>>> sorting only works at level zero by design?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> Patricio.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-3 radek... wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I enable Hierarchy in Custom View Settings, then the hierarchy 
>>>> items don't respond to sort by setting. Even when I set multiple levels of 
>>>> sort by (due date, due date, due date), the items displayed through the 
>>>> Show hierarchy option are not being sorted and are displayed as they are 
>>>> in 
>>>> the task list. I think this is either a bug a there should be a secondary 
>>>> sort by option added to the Hierarchy settings section.
>>>
>>>

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[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on the 
check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, see 
nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually normal for 
me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system not 
responding).
Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear into 
next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!

Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming back, 
or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see a 
change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. We 
were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual checkbox 
do something.

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[MLO] Re: Windows MLO folder in OneDrive

[imajeff]

I keep my mlo file in the OneDrive folder, and I have not had any trouble 
keeping it sync'd both ways. When ever MLO syncs with the cloud, then it 
modifies the file and of course when OneDrive detects a change, it syncs 
that with the onedrive cloud.
The only trouble I know is multiple users, where OneDrive has a conflict if 
two computers changed the same file in each OneDrive folder because it 
requires the change on only one of those and synchronize itself to the 
other.

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 1:32:50 PM UTC-6 scsnu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi-
> Is it possible to sync my MLO cloud file with my MLO Windows file that is 
> located in my OneDrive?
>
> I just moved my Windows file to OneDrive and iPad is not syncing any more 
> with MLO cloud file.
>
> Thank you!
>

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[MLO] Re: Bug / Missing feature - hierarchical sorting

[imajeff]

Now my order of the outline is all messed up because I thought, "no way it 
would mess up the order when I carefully created tasks in the logical order 
I need in my outline!"
Why would anybody want to mess that up? And is there any way to get my 
original outline back after it changed top level to alphabetical order? 
Seriously it should not have changed any order when I clicked the heading 
of the main All Tasks view unless there was a way to restore the order I 
created and dragged tasks to.

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:57:10 AM UTC-6 patricio...@gmail.com wrote:

> hi All, I'm facing this same issue Radek describes here. is it a bug or 
> sorting only works at level zero by design?
>
> thanks!
>
> Patricio.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-3 radek@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> When I enable Hierarchy in Custom View Settings, then the hierarchy items 
>> don't respond to sort by setting. Even when I set multiple levels of sort 
>> by (due date, due date, due date), the items displayed through the Show 
>> hierarchy option are not being sorted and are displayed as they are in the 
>> task list. I think this is either a bug a there should be a secondary sort 
>> by option added to the Hierarchy settings section.
>
>

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Re: [MLO] MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

A good thing concerning #2 is that you can already edit the Completed date 
(Go to Task Statistics and click [Edit...] ).
Problem is I can't change the completed time, no matter if the task was 
configured to use Time for start and due dates.

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 5:41:00 PM UTC-6 westpo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I’ll add to #2 with another reason for past date task completion: 
> sub-tasks with delays that depend upon the task “PROJECT BEGINS”.  If I 
> want to fast from 4 p.m. to 4 a.m., and I get home at 6 p.m., I need to be 
> able to mark that the fast began 4 p.m., rather than 6:10 p.m. when I 
> marked it complete. 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>  
>
> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Brandon Welch
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 14, 2022 13:33
> *To:* MyLifeOrganized 
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] MLO-Win v6 Ideas...
>
>  
>
> My top three features for a new Windows version:
>
>1. Dark Mode...been waiting forever for this
>2. Past date task completionwould like to be able to mark 
>something as completed yesterday, or some other past day, especially as it 
>relates to auto-generation of recurring tasks that regenerate on 
>completion. A lot of times I don't mark the task as completed right away, 
>and then it regenerates to the wrong day, and I have to move it manually.
>3. Tab Customization...beyond different icons and text, I'd like the 
>option of having workspace tabs in different colors or being able to make 
>the text bold, to make the more frequently used ones stand out
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 8:00:23 AM UTC-7 Dwight wrote:
>
> Scripts would be amazing, especially if they could be triggered by a 
> condition in the data as well as by an action. For example, if this task 
> goes more than one week overdue, send an email to Joe with a copy to me.
>
>  
>
> Alternative, build an API and attach an external scripting app like ifttt
>
>  
>
> On May 11, 2022 09:58:27 Stéph  wrote:
>
> Yes, wouldn't that be great! Scripts triggered by actions (I create a new 
> item, it automatically sets the start date to "today" and the due date to 
> the same as the nearest sibling...).
>
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 22:38:04 UTC+1 kunk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I gotta' agree with Jeff...  Strong scripting abilities would be amazing!  
> And yes, it would take care of many future feature requests, because 
> advanced forum users could help people write custom scripts, add-ons, or 
> whatnot. 
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-7 imajeff wrote:
>
> I see frequent suggestions which would be very practical if we first had 
> the most important feature of all:
>
> We need scripting!
>
>  
>
> It is related to the suggestion MLO needs an API, and the bottom line is 
> the longer you keep adding extra code to have more and more features, the 
> more bloat, slow-down, and unnecessary complications I have to deal with 
> even if I don't need any of those new features.
>
> The more you keep changing in features without rewriting as an 
> API-friendly and scriptable tool, the more wasteful work has been done for 
> nothing because if you ever do finally make it all scriptable, those should 
> now be done differently instead of integrated in the base application, so 
> someone has to rewrite all of them to be reasonable.
>
>  
>
> The advantage of scripting is more than one might think because any event 
> can be a hook to run script in any context and once people can add features 
> then everyone could have the same feature but not if they don't need that 
> one. Then another could take the same feature idea and make it work better 
> for different circumstances with less effort.
>
>  
>
> The only problem with adding scripting or at least the API interface to 
> allow scripting is if you don't properly implement to be efficient and 
> capable but there should be many examples to learn from in opensource 
> communities.
>
>  
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[MLO] Re: Task Properties in Android - bug?

[imajeff]

I'm not sure if you meant this, but when I long-press, it opens another 
line with some of the property options. Then, tapping the dots at the right 
of it will open all properties

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 2:15:46 AM UTC-6 edo@gmail.com wrote:

> How do I view a multi-line properties field in MLO Androind all tasks view?
> Tapping the (small!) properties icon causes the task to be marked as done. 
>

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Re: [MLO] MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

I see frequent suggestions which would be very practical if we first had 
the most important feature of all:
We need scripting!

It is related to the suggestion MLO needs an API, and the bottom line is 
the longer you keep adding extra code to have more and more features, the 
more bloat, slow-down, and unnecessary complications I have to deal with 
even if I don't need any of those new features.
The more you keep changing in features without rewriting as an API-friendly 
and scriptable tool, the more wasteful work has been done for nothing 
because if you ever do finally make it all scriptable, those should now be 
done differently instead of integrated in the base application, so someone 
has to rewrite all of them to be reasonable.

The advantage of scripting is more than one might think because any event 
can be a hook to run script in any context and once people can add features 
then everyone could have the same feature but not if they don't need that 
one. Then another could take the same feature idea and make it work better 
for different circumstances with less effort.

The only problem with adding scripting or at least the API interface to 
allow scripting is if you don't properly implement to be efficient and 
capable but there should be many examples to learn from in opensource 
communities.

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Re: [MLO] Lagging on entry problem

[imajeff]

Some important things I would do:

   1. Always backup any important .ml files and maybe some other file(S) 
   even before trying something I didn't think would touch it
   2. Start new empty file to prove it's something in my big tasks file; as 
   long as it runs the speed I expected, keep adding more of the type of tasks 
   and structure to see if I can detect what caused my other .ml to slow down.
   3. If I do get a non-personal .ml to slow down, definitely send that to 
   the mlo team and detail problems I see, and detail specs for my computer.


On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:33:19 AM UTC-6 Jon R wrote:

> Rambling response - No major breakthroughs, but the RAM point is 
> interesting. Maybe I will invest in some more... Otherwise I see myself 
> having to ration open apps/windows like it's 1995.  The fact 8GB is not 
> 'enough' is blowing my mind slightly. 
>
> On the other hand I do have a bunch of apps running that don't necessarily 
> 'play well with others'. How would I know if they are optimised? 
>
> Even Win10 is a vast collection of processes/services and how would any 
> user know to tweak it? 
>
> My sadly jaundiced view is that everything MS is bloaty inefficient and 
> self-serving (esp. how the processes multiply e.g. Teams - when it is doing 
> literally nothing...! - today 'Edge webview' - again uncommanded and 
> unwanted). 
>
> End of Moan.
>
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:35:57 PM UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>
>> Windows 10 does it to me a lot. Hardware can make a huge difference but 
>> certainly I need to have more than 16GB physical RAM because of what runs 
>> in the background these days, and at least use SSD instead of my old SATA 
>> drives. The biggest slowdown has been when it runs out of RAM with 
>> everything that has started up so it does more swapping which means when an 
>> app needs more ram it has to first save less-used data from other apps to 
>> the hard drive. Drives are way way slower than RAM.
>> To quote somebody from google,
>> "Under best case lab conditions the fastest SSD is 46 times slower than 
>> DDR3 RAM."
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:38:14 AM UTC-6 Jon R wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, Thanks for the insight, I don't think my lag is unique to MLO so 
>>> I am starting to blame Win10 or other conflicting sw - I tried out your 
>>> point about visible items, it didn't help. But your point about AV will 
>>> take me a bit longer to figure out. 
>>>
>>> It's funny, perceptions of strong PCs - if I was gaming or video editing 
>>> or something I would know I am underpowered, but my beef (with PCs ie 
>>> Win10) is that (in this case) the lag happens - but processor is doing 
>>> nothing really, RAM is free, disk IO is barely moving
>>>
>>> Also, there is nothing in Win10 to help performance, like a 'watchdog' 
>>> program. Last time I tried a 3p performance tool it ran amok and made 
>>> things worse.
>>>
>>> But I will report back if/when I find the culprit...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 6:54:34 PM UTC+1 nar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jon, 
>>>>
>>>> I've chimed in on this before. This is not to cast doubt on your 
>>>> slowdown - I'd love to see it fixed for you. This is just a datum point 
>>>> to compare to. 
>>>>
>>>> About six weeks ago I started using one of my larger MLO files on quite 
>>>> an old laptop. 
>>>>
>>>> It has 16 GB RAM. The processor is a 2.50 GHz Intel i7 (4710MQ) with 4 
>>>> cores and 8 logical processors. So it's far from a blistering power 
>>>> house. I'm running Windows 10 Pro. 
>>>>
>>>> Currently, MLO is reporting (in Task Manager, Processes tab) that it's 
>>>> using 38.6 MB of RAM. 
>>>>
>>>> The MLO file open is 2.76 MB in size and has 12,227 tasks - pretty much 
>>>> identical to yours. 
>>>>
>>>> Everything is lightning fast for me. Instant response when I hit 
>>>> Insert, 
>>>> and text appears as fast as I can type. That's inserting into the Inbox 
>>>> with about 40 tasks in there. But perhaps things slow down if you're 
>>>> inserting into a folder/node/view with a substantial number of tasks 
>>>> visible? 
>>>>
>>>> Quite often when I've seen programs slow mysteriously, It's down to 
>>>> anti-virus software intervening constantly. Certainly worth eliminating 
>>>> that in your case by disabling it temporarily. 
>&g

[MLO] Re: "skip occurrence" sometimes missing

[imajeff]

Oh now I see; what both Rebecca and Nick were not saying is *where* they 
expected to see "skip occurrence" so they did not mean in the Task menu or 
right-click menu which was the only place I could find it recently.

You meant a 'link' in "TIming & Reminder" properties, directly above Start 
and Due dates but I had not seen that recently because I was testing Daily 
recurrence (for simpler testing). Sure it's more convenient to have a quick 
skip there just like other tasks have a 'today', 'tomorrow' for 
automatically selecting smart dates.

Yeah I agree it makes no sense for only Daily recurrence it should not show 
there for all recurrence because Weekly can have the exact same problem:
Their idea I suspect is to at least change it for Daily because easier 
getting too far behind and that link was only meant to skip one occurrence. 
Being 10 days late would require too many skips, so might as well just jump 
to new occurrence due date (click Edit in recurrence).

Better I think: Just use the Task menu or right-click menu which always has 
"Skip occurrence..." and will ask whether to skip only current, or skip all 
occurrences up to today. It is simpler than having to navigate to options 
then dialogs then open calendar then find today's date.

Thanks I learned a lot from this about MLO thinking

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:57:57 AM UTC-6 Rebecca Young wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I just checked and this issue of it giving me the "skip occurrence" option 
> shows up on tasks where the Regenerate option is not selected.  Good 
> thought, though.  Thank you.
>
> Rebecca
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:02:51 PM UTC-4 Steve Neas wrote:
>
>> I think "skip occurrence" is available for tasks with recurrence pattern 
>> "Recur every xxx days/weeks/months."
>> If is not available for tasks set to "Regenerate new task xxx 
>> days/weeks/months after task is completed." For those tasks, there isn't 
>> really an occurrence to skip without completing the task.
>>
>> Is that the difference you are seeing?
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-4 Rebecca Young wrote:
>>
>>> I am noticing that on some recurring tasks that are overdue, "skip 
>>> occurrence" appears and on others, it doesn't.  I also see that when it 
>>> appears the initial start and due dates are grayed out, and when it doesn't 
>>> appear, they are in regular black text.  I would like the "skip occurrence" 
>>> option to appear on the tasks where it doesn't, but I can't figure out how 
>>> to change them.  Am I missing something or is this a bug?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: "skip occurrence" sometimes missing

[imajeff]

I don't get it, I'm using 5.1.4 (latest) and I had only tested daily, 
making it reoccur every 1 day(s). I always has the "Skip occurence..." 
option and by always I mean that even if the task is not reocurring at all, 
I still have the option!

Exactly how could I recreate this?
If I click Skip on any other kind of task it pops up the dialog but says, 
"Please select recurrent task(s)" and the only button is 'Ok'. This is an 
astonishingly unintelligent.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:50:14 PM UTC-6 Nick Clark wrote:

> I raised this as a bug but was told it’s a new feature for the latest 
> version. It allows a new date to be set rather than skipping the occurrence 
> to the usual pattern. The skip occurrence option is still available on the 
> right click menu.
>
> I am getting used to the change but don’t like it yet as it appears 
> inconsistent.
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 14:57:57 UTC+1 Rebecca Young wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I just checked and this issue of it giving me the "skip occurrence" 
>> option shows up on tasks where the Regenerate option is not selected.  Good 
>> thought, though.  Thank you.
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:02:51 PM UTC-4 Steve Neas wrote:
>>
>>> I think "skip occurrence" is available for tasks with recurrence pattern 
>>> "Recur every xxx days/weeks/months."
>>> If is not available for tasks set to "Regenerate new task xxx 
>>> days/weeks/months after task is completed." For those tasks, there isn't 
>>> really an occurrence to skip without completing the task.
>>>
>>> Is that the difference you are seeing?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-4 Rebecca Young wrote:
>>>
 I am noticing that on some recurring tasks that are overdue, "skip 
 occurrence" appears and on others, it doesn't.  I also see that when it 
 appears the initial start and due dates are grayed out, and when it 
 doesn't 
 appear, they are in regular black text.  I would like the "skip 
 occurrence" 
 option to appear on the tasks where it doesn't, but I can't figure out how 
 to change them.  Am I missing something or is this a bug?

 Thank you!
 Rebecca

>>>

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[MLO] Re: "skip occurrence" sometimes missing

[imajeff]

No, Rebecca specifically said " on some recurring tasks"
and every task I set up as recurring, in Windows 10, they could be skipped 
by a menu option. I would also need to make sure they are past due for 
testing, since that was specified.

Since I haven't seen it not work, I wonder if it is not on Windows that 
Rebecca saw the problem ? Other OS are entirely different software and 
commonly work different.

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-6 Steve Neas wrote:

> I think "skip occurrence" is available for tasks with recurrence pattern 
> "Recur every xxx days/weeks/months."
> If is not available for tasks set to "Regenerate new task xxx 
> days/weeks/months after task is completed." For those tasks, there isn't 
> really an occurrence to skip without completing the task.
>
> Is that the difference you are seeing?
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-4 Rebecca Young wrote:
>
>> I am noticing that on some recurring tasks that are overdue, "skip 
>> occurrence" appears and on others, it doesn't.  I also see that when it 
>> appears the initial start and due dates are grayed out, and when it doesn't 
>> appear, they are in regular black text.  I would like the "skip occurrence" 
>> option to appear on the tasks where it doesn't, but I can't figure out how 
>> to change them.  Am I missing something or is this a bug?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Rebecca
>>
>

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[MLO] Re: problem

[imajeff]

Sorry first I posted it wrong on another computer, so it replied to the 
whole digest..
Here is the message repeated in this thread and I wish I could just cancel 
the other one two seconds after I emailed it.

Specifically the most important file of all is the .ml file on the last 
computer where you had all the correct tasks, even if it is 
currently sychronized in the cloud. Many lose something because the cloud 
sync can be confusing how it has to work.
So back up that old .ml file from your old computer before you even open 
mlo again on that computer! Typically you basically need always keep 
offline backups of the Documents\MyLifeOrganized folder, everything in it 
where that .ml file should be if you didn't change the location.

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 3:30:21 AM UTC-6 hawaii...@gmail.com wrote:

> History
>
> I have always updated to the newest version of MLO.
>
> I have an Android phone/Tablet. Android 11.
>
> I have MLO installed on my older ThinkPad T430. Running Windows 10 Pro.
>
> Both work fine.
>
> I use MLO cloud sync which also works fine. It keeps both things in Sync. 
> Again, both work fine.
>
> Issue
>
> My older T430 Thinkpad running Windows 10 is slowly l dying. Not 
> completely, but close. I can still use MLO on it.
>
> So I bought a new ThinkPad T490s. It has 32gb Ram and huge SSD hard drive. 
> It works fine. I have installed much software unto it and it works fine.
>
> The issue is moving MLO to this new ThinkPad T490s so I can use it here.
>
> My older T430 is running MLO version 4.
>
> When I installed MLO on the new computer, it installed version 5. As I 
> told you I like to use the newest version of MLO. I must have upgraded but 
> not sure.
>
> Problem
>
> I used version 5 of MLO on the new T480s computer but got lost. The 
> interface is so different. I tried to use cloud sync to get my old stuff 
> but only one came. If I try to cloud sync again, the same thing happens.
>
> I have no idea what the next step should be.
>
> Questions
>
> 1. Should I stick with version 4 on new T490s computer?
>
> 2. Should I use version 5 on new computer and learn interface?
>
> 3. Should I try cloud sync again?
>
> 4. I don't want to loose what I already have. Lots of work. Does cloud 
> sync erase the stuff on it and and replace it with stuff I synced?  Have I 
> lost what I have done?
>
> 5. Is there an easier way to move to a new computer?
>
> 6. If I stick with version 5, how do I switch between the several things I 
> have?
>
> 7. Should I uninstall everything and start again fresh!
>

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Re: [MLO] How the MLO team is working during the war and what our plans are

[imajeff]

Please start new topic with proper subject and I have input on that when 
you do. But it does not belong in this thread, which is the MLO team 
showing they have not stopped working because of the war. They are not 
giving up!

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-6 devsi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear MLO Team
>
> Just a week ago I realized, that MLO is developed by an Ukrainian team.
>
> First I want to thank you for this exceptional great tool, which I use on 
> Android and Windows for about six years now.
> Since the early nineties I tested and used so many task managers, 
> organizers and project planing tools, I couldn't put a number on them. Then 
> I discovered MLO, which was a revelation somehow.
>
> I always knew, it's possible to develop a software like MLO, unifying all 
> the features one needs, but scattered over hundreds of apps. Sometimes I 
> was pretty close to start such a project myself *kidding*. Anyway, now this 
> wasn't necessary anymore, thanks to you guys.
>
> MLO is the best, most versatile tool of this kind! And since the first day 
> of using it, I'm totally convinced by your work.
> _
>
> It's a bit difficult to change the subject at this point, but truly I hope 
> that you, Alyona, Andrey and the whole team behind MLO, is healthy and save 
> ... at least as far as it's possible in a such crazy and horrible 
> situation. It's just utter madness and so hard to believe, a war in Europe 
> is going on again.
>
> I know that people all around the world are thinking of the Ukrainian 
> people and their bravery. And we all look forward to the day Ukraine is 
> free again. I'm positive this day will come ... hopefully very soon!
>
> I also hope the governments everywhere will do everything possible to help 
> ... still more than they do now.
>
> All the best thoughts and wishes!
> Silvan (near Zurich, Switzerland)
>
> Limbic schrieb am Freitag, 1. April 2022 um 19:10:40 UTC+2:
>
>> Really glad you are all safe. Desperately sorry to see your homes and 
>> communities destroyed. Hoping for peace as soon as possible. 
>>
>> /JD
>> --
>> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Alyona (MLO Support) 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2022 18:21
>> *To:* MyLifeOrganized 
>> *Subject:* [MLO] How the MLO team is working during the war and what our 
>> plans are 
>>  
>> As you know, Ukraine, where our entire team is from, is currently 
>> fighting against Russia for our freedom and democracy. This war has 
>> affected every aspect of our lives, but *we continue to work* and want 
>> to update you on the current situation.
>>
>> In our blog we talk about how we are working during the war, how you can 
>> help us, and what are our future plans.  
>>
>> We also invite you to discuss the new features for the desktop-version!
>>
>> Learn more: 
>> https://blog.mylifeorganized.net/2022/03/working-during-the-war-and-what-are-our-plans.html
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[MLO] Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Recurrence -> Advanced Options -> Advanced Recurring -> Reset flag

[imajeff]

I've wanted many improvements to recurrence for over 10 years, and what 
would help most is first implement a scripting language that has control of 
manipulating everything. Scripts could be triggered by many events, and 
therefore could help define exactly what kind of recurrence I need in my 
organization.
Then, when people make useful scripts, they can be shared.

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:57:04 PM UTC-7 radek@gmail.com wrote:

> This is an ask for a new Advanced Recurrence setting - Clear flag.
>
> I believe the primary use of flags is a sort of prioritization tool for 
> next actions.
>
> This works great for non-recurring tasks.
>
> But with recurring tasks there is a trouble, as once assigned flag 
> remainns assigned even for future occurances, which might be undesirable, 
> as the tactical situation in the future will not likely correspond to the 
> current situation and will likely require a different priority.
>
> Therefore it would be useful to have an option (or even a change in 
> default behavior) to have the flag automatically cleared for each new 
> occurance.
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO has become incredibly slow.

[imajeff]

Thanks for the update.
Also if MLO is writing often to the flash drive, I found an article that 
describes speeding up writes as well as other things to speed it up (these 
don't matter whether large or small drive)
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-speed-up-usb-data-transfer/

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:06:34 AM UTC-7 jefft...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry for the delay.  I think I found the cause, and it was not the 
> software.  I have been focused on getting recovered from the problems of 
> the last two weeks.  In summary, here is what I discovered.
>
>
>- Excessively large flash drives are a bad idea.  Use multiple, 
>smaller flash drives for different purposes.  
>- Cheap USB hubs are a bad idea.  My tech guy told me never purchase 
>one that has over three slots.   If one of those slots is an HDMI slot, 
> you 
>probably have found a good one, but that is no guarantee.  He reminded me 
>that I am not supposed to buy any tech without his blessing.  Cheap e
>   - Cheap hubs have small, unreliable "pipes" for the transfer of 
>   data.  If those pipes are attached to a large flash drive, you are 
> begging 
>   for file corruption.  That is what happened to me, and to my MLO files. 
>  He 
>   walked me through purchasing what I should have had in the first place. 
>  
>   MLO is now back to its flawless self. 
>- He reminded me that I want NO PART of OneDrive or Google Drive, 
>because the sync process takes too long and leaves your files open to 
>corruption.  Stick to those smaller flash drives.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:54 AM imajeff  wrote:
>
>> Alos maybe you can configure the flash drive to be cached so files read 
>> faster after the first read. It is usually optimized differently just to 
>> make sure it doesn't corrupt the FAT if you remove without unmounting
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:56:51 AM UTC-7 jefft...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am really thinking about wiping the mlo files off my flash drive and 
>>> re-instaslling the software fresh.  Starting over.
>>>
>>> I've looked for replacement software, but nothing is quite like this.  I 
>>> need a planner...fast.
>>>
>>> It has been so long since I did an install, and I am certain i signed up 
>>> for a paid version, but I need to find out how to do that.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 7:09:46 AM UTC-6 Susannah wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mine was and still is on a flash drive and works great.  I have over 
>>>> 12000 tasks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 8:08:41 AM UTC-5 Susannah wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had this problem a year or two ago.  I think I had to reinstall it 
>>>>> or maybe even go back to a previous version.  I can't remember exactly 
>>>>> now.  I may have had to restore my file from backup too.  Once I did that 
>>>>> it was back to normal again.  It was hanging on almost every click and 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> pretty much unusable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-5 jefft...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am constantly being held up from getting work done because MLO is 
>>>>>> always in "not responding" mode.  This must stop.  It never used to do 
>>>>>> it, 
>>>>>> but now it happens almost every couple of minutes while i am making 
>>>>>> updates.  This is happening on my PC at home as well as my PC in my 
>>>>>> office 
>>>>>> on campus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope there is a solution, because I do not have time for this sort 
>>>>>> of thing.
>>>>>>
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[MLO] Re: MLO has become incredibly slow.

[imajeff]

Alos maybe you can configure the flash drive to be cached so files read 
faster after the first read. It is usually optimized differently just to 
make sure it doesn't corrupt the FAT if you remove without unmounting

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:56:51 AM UTC-7 jefft...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am really thinking about wiping the mlo files off my flash drive and 
> re-instaslling the software fresh.  Starting over.
>
> I've looked for replacement software, but nothing is quite like this.  I 
> need a planner...fast.
>
> It has been so long since I did an install, and I am certain i signed up 
> for a paid version, but I need to find out how to do that.
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 7:09:46 AM UTC-6 Susannah wrote:
>
>> Mine was and still is on a flash drive and works great.  I have over 
>> 12000 tasks.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 8:08:41 AM UTC-5 Susannah wrote:
>>
>>> I had this problem a year or two ago.  I think I had to reinstall it or 
>>> maybe even go back to a previous version.  I can't remember exactly now.  I 
>>> may have had to restore my file from backup too.  Once I did that it was 
>>> back to normal again.  It was hanging on almost every click and was pretty 
>>> much unusable.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-5 jefft...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am constantly being held up from getting work done because MLO is 
 always in "not responding" mode.  This must stop.  It never used to do it, 
 but now it happens almost every couple of minutes while i am making 
 updates.  This is happening on my PC at home as well as my PC in my office 
 on campus.

 I hope there is a solution, because I do not have time for this sort of 
 thing.

>>>

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[MLO] Re: MLO has become incredibly slow.

[imajeff]

OK that is a good point: MLO must be doing a lot of accessing of the .ml 
file so if it was accessed over a windows file share (\\host\path) then 
just a little extra time to read each task could add up to running a lot 
slower...
Google Drive helps assuming you use the desktop software that keeps local 
files in sync with the network storage so MLO is not actually reading it 
from the network (C:\path).

Another thing I wonder is whether the slow-down happened after updating to 
a newer version of MLO, because others reported that when 5 came out and I 
think they usually had a lot of tasks (counting the completed tasks).

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:58:00 AM UTC-7 Andrey Tkachuk (MLO) wrote:

> > I am constantly being held up from getting work done because MLO is 
> always in "not responding" mode.  This must stop.  It never used to do it, 
> but now it happens almost every couple of minutes while i am making updates.
> one of the reason for this could be if you save your data file in a 
> network drive of slow flash drive. 
>
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 10:53:12 PM UTC+2 jefft...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am constantly being held up from getting work done because MLO is 
>> always in "not responding" mode.  This must stop.  It never used to do it, 
>> but now it happens almost every couple of minutes while i am making 
>> updates.  This is happening on my PC at home as well as my PC in my office 
>> on campus.
>>
>> I hope there is a solution, because I do not have time for this sort of 
>> thing.
>>
>

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[MLO] Re: MLO has become incredibly slow.

[imajeff]

I hoped it would not be because most posts are awaiting moderation from 
someone who is in Ukraine and could be unable to work online? I pray for 
those under repeated attacks.

Nobody has time for war--I would think, but I'm trying to put things into 
perspective after realizing my inconvenience in the U.S. is miniscule thus 
far.

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-7 jefft...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am constantly being held up from getting work done because MLO is always 
> in "not responding" mode.  This must stop.  It never used to do it, but now 
> it happens almost every couple of minutes while i am making updates.  This 
> is happening on my PC at home as well as my PC in my office on campus.
>
> I hope there is a solution, because I do not have time for this sort of 
> thing.
>

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[MLO] Re: Round Robin/shuffling on recurring of subTasks of the Task on day

[imajeff]

Could you describe an example of a tree structure and how it would act for 
maybe a couple of cycles? I know what all the words mean that you said, but 
still couldn't visualize how it would work or a possible use case.

It almost seems like you are just saying could it randomize the order of 
the recurring subtasks...?

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 12:46:27 PM UTC-7 nagendr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Is it Possible to Have a feature like the sub tasks of a task which are 
> recurring in nature, once they completed one cylce,  have to facilitate to 
> fire by shuffling thier order based on which the next occurance of 
> timecould be decided. Is there any way to contibute in the development of 
> such feature for my self, or any way to extend it through apis or any such 
> thing exists.

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[MLO] Re: Change Wifi Sync to LAN Sync [Feature Request].

[imajeff]

Certainly, what they called "WiFi Sync" is a misnomer.
It just requires that both the host and device syncing be on the same LAN. 
At first I thought your request was that they start calling it what it 
literally is, "LAN Sync"
so I really hope they will change that name.

There actually is a reason why it might work only on someone's WiFi 
however. The same LAN means both have the same subnet mask and net address. 
Sometimes the WiFi is a different subnet just to protect local computers 
from invasion through WiFi.
In that case you could not sync from your phone on wifi to your desktop 
plugged in. Both would have to be either on the WiFi or plugged in.

On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 12:07:18 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com 
wrote:

> As you were: I can get syncing even when my desktop PC is wired (via 
> Ethernet) to my router.
>
> It was a matter of permanently reserving the *wired* connection Desktop 
> Mac/IP address in my router's DHCP server. Rather, that is, than 
> permanently reserving the *wireless* connection Desktop Mac/IP address in 
> my router's DHCP serve. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 12:15:11 PM UTC+11 John Bentley wrote:
>
>> I can get MLO to "Wifi Sync" between my Desktop and Android App reliably. 
>>
>> However, this depends having all connections to the router being Wifi. 
>> This is unnecessarily restrictive and I request that "Wifi Sync" be changed 
>> to "LAN Sync" (in functionality and some suitable name like that).
>>
>> To make this need clear: my desktop PC is generally wired (via Ethernet) 
>> to my router; and my Android Phone, of course, connects via Wifi to my 
>> router. To get MLO to "Wifi Sync" I need to (temporarily) connect my 
>> desktop PC via Wifi. However, that breaks the functionality of what a 
>> (local) network is supposed to be: all devices that want to talk to each 
>> should be able to do so at the application layer in a connection agnostic 
>> fashion.
>>
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[MLO] Re: What to do about tasks with potential NEGATIVE outcome and procrastination?

[imajeff]

First I will say, Stéph is right about what you will need when there is 
emotional reasons, or dangers, in getting the task done.

Now, the most powerful thing I have found in MLO is how a task can be 
broken up as much as you need it. This is extremely important for me 
because of my neurology, everything that seems simple to somebody else is a 
"daunting task" to me! So I have to learn that I don't even need to look at 
the whole thing at this moment. If the task seems like it would be bad to 
just do, then I consider one or more subtasks that would PREPARE for this.

The beauty is that when I add subtasks, MLO easily disappears the parent 
task from my flat or "Active" todo list so I can just focus on what I am 
ready to do for now.

I guess one of my first tasks was to find a therapist I can talk to about 
the tasks I'm not ready for, but for some tasks there were simpler subtasks 
like taking an online course (it one case it would be relationships) that 
would help me complete it.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-7 johntom...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What to do about tasks with a potential negative outcome that cause stress?
>
> If I have stress causing task i want something from someone and might get 
> a no, or a the outcome of the task could be negative, I usually get 
> stressed and will procrastinate.   I am looking for tips in regards to 
> breaking down these stress causing tasks into less worrying action items, 
> or even less stressful states of mind. 
> I know if you get blocked break it down into smaller steps, but is there a 
> mental questionnaire, specifically a process that will allow me to 
> eliminate the stress of potential negative outcome tasks.
>

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Re: [MLO] Is there ever going to be a web app for MLO?

[imajeff]

Just keep in mind a few things:

   - The leaks and compromized passwords are not happening all over because 
   they were "web apps". They happen the same whether it is web app, other 
   type of server, and home computers.
   - One of the most talked about ways these days is social engineering 
   (you were tricked into doing something)
   - Frankly, your own computer and everything on it's drives is not 
   protected if you (1) have any amount of access to the Internet on your 
   computer, (2) run any software not written by yourself because who can you 
   trust, (3) your own software had a flaw that someone was able to exploit.
   - Those common holes in your local security are not even about whether 
   your password was easy to guess for a hacker that can try passwords more 
   than a million guesses per second.
   - For the infamous "wannacry" attacks, it was strictly the OS itself 
   (like Windows XP with all updated security patches installed) which the 
   users could not trust. The only way was to pull the plug on the Internet to 
   be sure you were save from bad stuff being ran on your computer by hackers.

So yeah there is a choice not to put our own data on the cloud for now, but 
we need to understand a lot more than that to protect ourselves these days.

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:45:42 AM UTC-7 laurence...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> Encryption of the database itself would be an additional level of 
> security, but the truth is, as we see from data leaks and compromised 
> passwords, that are regularly in the news, so far there is no truly secure 
> way of running the internet and webapps.
>
> But webapps which reflect the current data, working with device apps which 
> have much shared design and code, are also an attractive option, and I use 
> some alongside MLO.
>
> Obviously the user decides, with any app, whether some data is best kept 
> offline for personal security.
>
> Laurence
> On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 13:13:46 UTC Dwight wrote:
>
>> Let me try to explain the security issue and why the expensive and 
>> burdensome task or maintaining separate code bases would do nothing to 
>> solve this.
>>
>> If a web app is going to work with your tasks, it needs read/write access 
>> to some database where your tasks are kept. The obvious choice would be the 
>> cloud synch database. But exposing your tasks to an internet app also 
>> exposes everyone else's tasks to the internet. You may not care if a hacker 
>> has access to your task list but there are some users who would object. It 
>> makes no difference whether you are I are on the same code base, if your 
>> app has access to the cloud synch database then my tasks are at the same 
>> risk as yours. The way to manage this risk would be to incorporate security 
>> enhancements into the cloud synch database. For example, encrypting the 
>> data in the cloud sync database. This way, you would have the freedom to 
>> unlock your own tasks to your web app plus any attackers from the Internet 
>> who take an interest, while I would be able to leave my tasks secured.
>>
>> -Dwight
>> On 11/10/2021 06:02, Laurence Glazier wrote:
>>
>> I would certainly like this, and for the view designs to likewise be 
>> common to all devices. Everything drawn from the web. When MLO started, 
>> there was no such thing as a webapp. I am a paid-up supporter of MLO on 
>> Apple, Windows and Android, but would prefer an equivalent monthly sub 
>> together with a webapp. But I also like knowing I can keep the app versions 
>> I have paid for forever! 
>>  
>> On Friday, 22 October 2021 at 02:30:14 UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>>
>>> Do you realize how old MyLifeOrganized still is, I'm sure it's based on 
>>> MFC, using Windows 98 technology wherever possible. It would not be like 
>>> them to create a whole new cloud-based application, but if they did, you 
>>> would be paying by the month not for installation license so it is a whole 
>>> new ballpark if they tried that. I would be very surprised, as it has been 
>>> so awkward just getting to where they could syncronize data via the cloud. 
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear what Andre thinks these days about making a whole new 
>>> codebase for that, because more than a decade ago I could see why he didn't 
>>> finish the Linux version either, and later gets a lot of flak for not 
>>> haveing one also for Apple OS.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-6 joel@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He'd have to have two separate systems then. Keep what there is now for 
>>>> those who want it an

Re: [MLO] Is there ever going to be a web app for MLO?

[imajeff]

The more explanation I read from Dwight, the more questions I come up with.
"exposing your tasks to an internet app also exposes everyone else's tasks 
to the internet"
Why? Assuming that is obviously making a ton of assumptions not being said 
here. I have talked a lot about the risk of someone gaining access, which 
is very different than saing, "bam now it is exposed to the Internet"... I 
also cannot tell what you mean by "exposed to the internet". Web pages are 
exposed because there's usually no password so anyone can "http GET" it. 
Email messages are exposed because clear text gets stored and forwarded on 
other computers than myself and the person I communicated, and even 
originally used a cleartext protocol (smtp, pop3), but there's no 
reasonable assumption that a direct communication from my computer to a 
server with https is exposed. HTTPS literally means it is encrypted over 
Internet, so only myself and that server application gets the data. So not 
exposed to the Internet, a hacker would have to access one of those 
endpoints. I will add, you don't need to be a hacker to get what is exposed 
to entire Internet, for example if the world discovered that 
http://32.56.746.2 exposed some web cam that is unprotected.

Different code base costs a lot. I don't get what you assume when you said, 
"makes no difference whether you are I are on the same code base, if your 
app has access to the cloud synch database then my tasks are at the same 
risk"
OP wants different code base so you don't have to send your data to the 
cloud. Doesn't make sense to dispute, unless "code base" means very 
different to you than it does to us (developers). If I make an app called 
"giveoutmydata" and has nothing to do with MLO, that is a different code 
base than your app called "MyLifeOrganized". Obviously no matter how 
insecure my app, cannot possibly make your app send your tasks to the 
cloud. Could it be that you think syncing to Cloud would be forced if 
MyLifeOrganized for Desktop that we both use is to support a web app? But 
why because there is already an option to sync to Cloud or not (which I 
leave off and of course don't pay extra so I simply could not use a web app)

Please do clarify at least these two vague statements you make:

   - Why assume the cloud is already compromised by hackers when there 
   would obviously be credentials required to get to my task list, do you know 
   something about the implementation you're not saying?
   - Why assume you have no option to not Cloud sync just because another 
   user has the option? Is there not already the option


On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:13:46 AM UTC-7 Dwight wrote:

> Let me try to explain the security issue and why the expensive and 
> burdensome task or maintaining separate code bases would do nothing to 
> solve this.
>
> If a web app is going to work with your tasks, it needs read/write access 
> to some database where your tasks are kept. The obvious choice would be the 
> cloud synch database. But exposing your tasks to an internet app also 
> exposes everyone else's tasks to the internet. You may not care if a hacker 
> has access to your task list but there are some users who would object. It 
> makes no difference whether you are I are on the same code base, if your 
> app has access to the cloud synch database then my tasks are at the same 
> risk as yours. The way to manage this risk would be to incorporate security 
> enhancements into the cloud synch database. For example, encrypting the 
> data in the cloud sync database. This way, you would have the freedom to 
> unlock your own tasks to your web app plus any attackers from the Internet 
> who take an interest, while I would be able to leave my tasks secured.
>
> -Dwight
> On 11/10/2021 06:02, Laurence Glazier wrote:
>
> I would certainly like this, and for the view designs to likewise be 
> common to all devices. Everything drawn from the web. When MLO started, 
> there was no such thing as a webapp. I am a paid-up supporter of MLO on 
> Apple, Windows and Android, but would prefer an equivalent monthly sub 
> together with a webapp. But I also like knowing I can keep the app versions 
> I have paid for forever! 
>  
> On Friday, 22 October 2021 at 02:30:14 UTC+1 imajeff wrote:
>
>> Do you realize how old MyLifeOrganized still is, I'm sure it's based on 
>> MFC, using Windows 98 technology wherever possible. It would not be like 
>> them to create a whole new cloud-based application, but if they did, you 
>> would be paying by the month not for installation license so it is a whole 
>> new ballpark if they tried that. I would be very surprised, as it has been 
>> so awkward just getting to where they could syncronize data via the cloud. 
>>
>> I

Re: [MLO] Re: The use of 'next' in parsing

[imajeff]

Dwight now I'm confused because no post I see on this thread forgot to 
specify that the parser should never assume a day already completed. They 
say, "after today" and "future".
I think in the parser, "next" should not assume whether it should mean next 
week or two from now, but there should be a quick way to say how many 
Fridays from now. 

Still the most important thing is that I know what the language means to 
the recipient, so I'll accept whatever if well documented.
I used to prefer that people not say "it will be next Friday" but "it will 
be Friday next" because I would be sure they meant "next week" but that 
feels wierd these days so I just try to say "this week" or "next week" if I 
want them to be sure, or say just tell me the date.

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:28:12 AM UTC-6 Dwight wrote:

> Your proposed scenario with this week, next week works pretty well most of 
> the time. But it's not perfect. If a Christian American, whose weeks start 
> Sunday, says "this Sunday" when today is Saturday, common sense would parse 
> it as "tomorrow" but your algorithm would yield "six days ago"
>
> I believe that "this" and "next" are inherently ambiguous. Avoiding 
> ambiguity requires syntax like "this coming Sunday" 
>
> On October 23, 2021 03:22:51 Grant  wrote:
>
>> Ah, good point.  No, I am not totally comfortable with my PoV.  I found 
>> this good summary of the issue 
>> https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/this-next-day-week/.  
>>
>> The best way to match with common usage would be for 'This' to refer to 
>> days in the current week, and 'Next' to refer to days in the next week.  
>> This would require MLO to also take note of which day a user starts their 
>> week on (Sunday or Monday), or better yet, to separately ask the user when 
>> they want their 'parsing week'  to start (eg my work week start on Monday, 
>> but my cultural week starts on Sunday - and this is likely to vary per 
>> religion/culture/language).
>>
>> Alas, I suspect there where still be exceptions where someone would 
>> complain.   Thus, maybe it still is best to use 'next' for the next day in 
>> the sequence, and to document that in the Help text.  Then it works one 
>> (most logical)  way for everyone.
>>
>> In closing, I finally looked in the HELP file for how MLO implements 
>> this, and they have chosen their own logical approach, which is consistent, 
>> if also not fully adapted to actual usage:
>> Friday(nearest Friday in future)
>> next Friday(next Friday after nearest Friday in future)
>>
>> This I can live with, and I am sure its easier to program around ;-)
>>
>> -Grant
>>
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:11:26 PM UTC+2 Dwight wrote:
>>
>>> Just a question: the issue is simplest when discussing Mondays and gets 
>>> tougher later in the week. On Thursday, your proposal would make "next 
>>> Friday" synonymous with "tomorrow". Are you really comfortable with this?
>>> -Dwight
>>>
>>> On September 30, 2021 04:16:35 Stéph  wrote:
>>>
 I agree completely.

 On Thursday, 30 September 2021 at 08:22:32 UTC+1 Grant wrote:

> Just to see what others thinkand maybe change someday in MLO... 
>
> I find that using 'next Monday'  does not parse to the coming Monday, 
> but the one after the coming Monday.
>
> There is always a debate around the use of 'this'  vs 'next'  when 
> referring dates, so there is no one answer.
>
> My PoV is that MLO should use the strict interpretation, and next 
> should refer to the 'next in the order of things',  eg 'next monday'  
> means 
> the one that occurs next, after today.  All other interpretations are 
> based 
> on a regional, or cultural 'common use'  interpretation of the English 
> language and are prone to introducing confusion...  
>
> What is your PoV?
>
> (have fun)
>
>
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[MLO] Re: Huge problem with database!!! Bug !?

[imajeff]

I hope you have backups turned on in the desktop version. In General 
Application Options I found mine is set to keep the last 6 backups so I 
hope it works for me, because I saw a few people lost their whole thing 
because of something that should not have caused a problem like upgrading 
MLO. The only answer was "I hope you have been keeping backups"

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:27:32 AM UTC-6 benny_...@telia.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Mannage to f-k up my MLO-databas (3000 items),!!???
> Did what I have always done (10+ years), used MLO on my Android, my laptop 
> and my desktop PC . All three synced with same file on MLO cloud.
> But last week, or more!? I used and syncronized my PC that I havnt used 
> with MLO for the last 1,5 years. And now my database is backdateted with 
> all recuring to that date 18 moths ago, and lost everything that was 
> written in them!!! Also a lot of tasks that was moved suddenley apeared in 
> my inbox again , and probably a lot more... :-( ...  So how is this 
> possible and what have I done wrong, seems like a bug of some kind!!?, and 
> how to fixit? 
>
> (There has disapered things like this before but not so much, and 
> inportant that I bothered to look in to it then unfortunatly, so this not a 
> onetime event...)
>
> Best regards
> Desoerate user...
>
> P.S. sync my phone almost every day and my laptop every other week or 
> so... D.S.
>

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Re: [MLO] Is there ever going to be a web app for MLO?

[imajeff]

Do you realize how old MyLifeOrganized still is, I'm sure it's based on 
MFC, using Windows 98 technology wherever possible. It would not be like 
them to create a whole new cloud-based application, but if they did, you 
would be paying by the month not for installation license so it is a whole 
new ballpark if they tried that. I would be very surprised, as it has been 
so awkward just getting to where they could syncronize data via the cloud.

I'd like to hear what Andre thinks these days about making a whole new 
codebase for that, because more than a decade ago I could see why he didn't 
finish the Linux version either, and later gets a lot of flak for not 
haveing one also for Apple OS.

On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-6 joel@gmail.com wrote:

> He'd have to have two separate systems then. Keep what there is now for 
> those who want it and have the web version for those who want it.
>
>  All I know is there was a web version of MLO, if it were possible, that 
> is, it would do well because other former (or maybe current?) users of MLO 
> are in the forums for other apps like TickTick and ClickUp making requests 
> for features that MLO already has. It's only a matter of time until what 
> Andrey is offering is easily found online. Regardless, I've got to move to 
> something else that doesn't keep me restricted to the desktop or key fob 
> because I use the calendar sync and the mobile apps don't have it. 
>
>
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:44:49 PM UTC-4 Dwight wrote:
>
>> You may have missed my point. If I use MLO/desktop AND I use cloud sync, 
>> and you use MLO/webwhich is attached to the cloud file, then my data will 
>> be insecure even if I myself never use MLO/web.
>>
>> If you want me to explain this, write to me at mlod...@gmail.com
>>
>> -Dwight
>>
>> On October 21, 2021 10:56:49 Joel  wrote:
>>
>>> Andrey could still keep MLO for desktop for those who are paranoid about 
>>> that. I'm just asking for an online version for those who aren't.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-4 Dwight wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Joel.

 Where will this app obtain access to my tasks? The most logical. and 
 easiest to program, would be to simply take the data from the cloud sync 
 file.But that would be a problem for me. I already consider the security 
 of 
 the cloud sync file to be an area for concern. If any miscreant who has an 
 app and can guess or steal my password can retrieve all my tasks I would 
 consider MLO cloud sync to be profoundly insecure. That would be a shame 
 because I really like MLO cloud sync.

 -Dwight
 On 10/20/2021 13:12, Joel wrote:

 I could go into the reasons why I want it but mainly just want to know 
 if there's a web version of MLO in the works? I've applied a few times to 
 rejoin the beta group but have heard nothing from Andrey so it makes me 
 wonder if there still is a beta group or if there is a version 6 in the 
 works so what's the word humming birds? 

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[MLO] Re: WiFi Sync locar or remote: why not both?

[imajeff]

I'm not happy either, basically they abandoned development of WiFi sync and 
I think it is because they could make a little money doing cloud sync 
instead so they tried to make it better. Sure it's low cost in some 
people's perspective but I do not do cloud sync because of my security 
needs in certain areas of my task data. I protect as much of my networks as 
I want, yet MLO does not give me any choice to protect data unless I can 
keep that data only in my own network.

I knew it was trouble when it only asked in configuration which one I want 
to overwrite in a conflict. Um how about show me both to choose or edit?? 
It only works for me if I always remember to sync before I make any edit on 
either my PC or Android, and then remember to sync again after I often edit 
on PC then rush off with the phone so it needs to be on there. A task 
manager should never become the project, but making everything correct in 
MLO is the biggest project I've ever experienced (having done software 
programming for decades).

On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 12:44:59 PM UTC-6 rodrigo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> There are tasks that I complete on the mobile version and others on the 
> PC. In the synchronization settings, you can choose Local or Remote in case 
> of conflicts. But let's say I created a to-do list on the PC and changed it 
> on the smartphone. If I selected the Remote option, I will lose local 
> changes. And vice versa.
>
[...]

> By the way, are you users happy with this setup?
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[MLO] Re: Synchronization problems across multiple devices

[imajeff]

I'm wondering if you are talking about "Wi-Fi Sync" instead of the "Cloud 
Sync" that Dwight is talking about. Completely different things, and the 
wifi sync is what I use because I only want to sync at home and when I'm 
ready because it is not automatic, and does not send my data to a cloud 
server I cannot control.

Cloud sync is an extra paid service that is automatic, and the thing Dwight 
is saying works great. I've had a free trial and it seemed Ok.
I can't find a link direcly to it but scroll down on the main 
page https://www.mylifeorganized.net/  and you can click the wifi symbol 
and the cloud symbol to see the two... if that's not the confusion then you 
might also want to search for other people here who posted about sync 
problems on the cloud, as well as trying what Dwight suggests.

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:27:49 PM UTC-6 leseze...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not sure if MLO is the right Taskmanaging Tool for me in the long run. 
> I bought it back then to get a Taskmanager which is able to sync itself 
> across multiple Platforms (PC, Smartphones etc.). Many other Taksmanagers 
> fulfill that requirement. 
>
> But how is it with MLO? Most of the time I'm working with my PC. There I 
> have to start the synchronization manually. Then I need to wait a while 
> because otherwise I get Sync-conflicts. On my smartphone I need to press 
> the Clown-Symbol because otherwise it doesn't synchronize automatically. 
>
> In 4 of 5 cases the Synchronization fails (I have around 8000+ Tasks) and 
> the App crashes without finishing the Sync. That's very tedious in the 
> long-run. 
>
> Am I doing something wrong or is the automatic background synchronization 
> just not working how it should? 
>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Show list of all open workspace

[imajeff]

I bet they don't even pay you for all this work you do, but thank you for 
sharing it with us.

I bought MyLifeOrganized before 2.0, I guess it didn't even have a version 
number. Checking back the past few years I was shocked that they have 
improved absolutely nothing that would benefit me. I bought 5.0 because I 
thought hey it would have all the things fixed that make it too slow to be 
reasonable, but it is all the same problems still. I am sad every time I 
hear good suggestions because I know they will be completely ignored even 
10 years later. I am very disappointed in that aspect, even though the 
original idea has yet to be even attempted by any capable competitor.

The best way they could have used their initial million or whatever they 
got from us making them popular could have been to integrate an API and 
then continue building their ideas on top of that. By API I mean giving my 
own applications ability to navigate and manipulate the tree of tasks and 
properties. Then most every idea I've heard could have been solved probably 
not by them but by people who want the feature enough. My idea was that you 
could add hooks and script things like populating a new task or set of 
tasks based on my own preferences.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Dwight wrote:

> I had a similar problem. Then I came up with icons that clearly indicated 
> each workspace and attached them to the relevant views, then locked and 
> pinned the workspaces, giving me a large but manageable collection of icons 
> that I can take in at a glance.
> -Dwight
>
> On 5/14/2021 17:09, Joel wrote:
>
> Yeah ditto.  I routinely have EXACTLY as many tabs as will fit and still 
> kinda see the tab names.   Iow, I'm constrained.  
> A little hamburger menu that drops open with all the tab names (clickable) 
> would be great.A field to filter-as-you-type the tab names list would 
> be excellent.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:07:08 AM UTC-4 patricio...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Totally agree with your recommendation Stéphane. Hey question, how do I 
>> submit an enhancement/feature request? Is just this thread or there is a 
>> different process / channel? 
>>
>> --
>> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Stéph 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:19:50 AM
>> *To:* MyLifeOrganized 
>> *Subject:* [MLO] Re: Show list of all open workspace 
>>  
>> I don't know of a way to get a list of workspaces, so I think this might 
>> be a good feature request. Even better if the list was filterable by typing 
>> part of the workspace name. 
>>
>> One key combination which might work better for you than using the mouse: 
>> As with browsers and tabbed apps like MS Excel, you can use Ctrl+PgUp and 
>> Ctrl+PgDown to scroll quickly through your list of workspace tabs. The only 
>> problem is that it doesn't make the names of the workspaces visible 
>> anywhere.
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
>> On Wednesday, 12 May 2021 at 21:17:00 UTC+1 patricio...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> one edit: by "list" I mean a drop-down list, so you click it a see a list 
>> of all the opened workspaces, that way you don't have to scroll 
>> horizontally to select/set the focus on the workspace you want to go...
>>
>> El miércoles, 12 de mayo de 2021 a la(s) 09:10:45 UTC-3, Patricio 
>> Carranza escribió:
>>
>> hi All, 
>>
>> I found pretty helpful to have several workspaces opened where on each of 
>> them I have a parent task zoom in.
>>
>> I'm getting more workspaces opened that the number of workspace than can 
>> be visible, so I end up scrolling horizontally with the arrows in the 
>> workspace tab, is there a way to get a list of the opened workspaces tabs 
>> similar to a web browser (like Chrome)?
>>
>> I think it would be really helpful.
>>
>> Patricio.
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[MLO] Can I try the Cloud Sync before I buy?

[imajeff]

I purchased MLO Android and I need to decide if it is worth buying the 
whole package yet, Windows and Cloud Sync. So far I can only find any 
details about cloud sync by waiting for people to complain here how bad it 
is. Is there not any way to trial this to see if it is for me, while I am 
trialing the Windows Desktop version?
I once remembered an offer to get something like a trial sync but not 
anymore.

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[MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

[imajeff]

This information might help a lot:
What is your IP address of the desktop running MLO which needs to be sync'd
What is your IP address of the Android device trying to sync


On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 1:25:12 AM UTC-6, Luis Fernando Franco 
wrote:
>
> Let's see, in this page 
> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/support/Wi-Fi-synchronization-setup/ it 
> says that when you open MLO it will ask for permissions on the firewall. 
> Well, not in my case.
>
> I can reach (ping) my PC from my phone, but obviously the MLO service 
> isn't up.
>
> The video tutorial is 99% about the PAID cloud service and 1% about WiFi. 
> I bought MLO, which isn't cheap, on the premises that I was going to be 
> able to sync via WiFi, I don't feel like paying a suscription.
>

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[MLO] Re: How to enter context in the caption/title field; parsing

[imajeff]

OK besides typing @Home (no space because that's the name of the context 
including the @)
I found that by default, parsing input like "Send report to Jim next Monday 
6pm" is turned off. Click the Options>> in rapid text entry dialog to see 
the options.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:22:55 PM UTC-6, Justin Magaram wrote:
>
> The documentation seems to indicate I can type a task like this...
>
> Change light bulbs @ Home
>
> ...and it should automatically add the Home context to my task but it 
> doesn't ever work. I've tried it both in the quick entry and the outline 
> view. I've tried ctrl+enter and enter. What am I missing?
>

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[MLO] Is one Android license included with Pro for Win?

[imajeff]

I'm sure someone said if I buy Pro that it would include license for MLO on 
my Android phone also.
I cannot find it mentioned on the site so is it possible?

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[MLO] Re: Best practice for ToDo views and prioritization approach

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I've noticed some are puzzled why tasks can be grouped different ways that 
might seem redundant. Folders, subtasks, or contexts. Here is the simple 
difference I see:

Folders are for organizing when you are creating tasks. That helps you work 
on editing just the ones for family, work, etc.
Contexts are for seeing your tasks when you are out looking for what to 
complete next. So finding all @store will tell you what to get when 
shopping because you are shopping at the moment.
Subtasks are the simplest form of projects even when you don't distinguish 
it as a project. Ideally it means you knew you need to *fix dinner* but now 
that you have said that you can see that it's too abstract so you need to 
specify the steps. Subtasks in that could be 
- heat peas 20 minutes
- pizza in oven 12 minutes
- set table
- place drinks

When you look in the flat ToDo list that is for completing tasks not 
editing them. There's just items in the order you can do them so it lists 
subtasks first before it shows you "fix dinner" that you can check off 
because it's all done.


On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 8:08:54 AM UTC-6, Huw Evans wrote:
>
> Here's how I've been using MLO and GTD: 
> Contexts: I use this for three things. Firstly, the usual @context for the 
> location that makes sense, eg. @home @work. Then a two letter code if the 
> task relates to one of my team members, eg. HE or JF. Then a +number for 
> estimated time, I use these: +15 min, +30 min, +1 hr, +2 hr. 
> Flags: Again you can define these, there are seven you can set up. I use 
> this to highlight what I'd like to achieve This Week, Next Week or Today. 
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Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

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Sir you said "advantages over forums", then you listed only things that are 
also true about modern forums.

Now you say it would split us to make the forum. How many active users do 
you think there are here? If we got half, say 3 users moving to the forum, 
that would be insignificant compared to the 100s that are only not here 
because you are limited to a mailing list. Well they might be not buying 
new MLO for the same reason as me, it's just not updating enough to the 
current way we use Internet. Need to change so we can use it again! Well my 
MLO 2.0.0 still works fine. I was here back when Windows PDA were all the 
buzz, and they had not released 2.0.0 yet so it's not like I don't know 
what I'm talking about here.

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:51:54 AM UTC-6, Christoph wrote:
>
> First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really 
> worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have 
> many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable, 
> well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing 
> list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or 
> RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the 
> community would be split which is also not so helpful. 
>
> -- Christoph 
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[MLO] Re: Offtopic: Email

[imajeff]

I hear a lot about using Outlook with this, although I don't have it. I use 
MLO to refer to email but I don't integrate it like dragging an email as a 
task.
I also don't like to be trapped in a certain system like Outlook but my 
system allows me to use whatever email client as available. To find an 
email I refer to short description of subject and a date and maybe time to 
look for it.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 11:56:12 PM UTC-6, Darryl Brooks wrote:
>
> I know there is no email system (I don't think) that integrates with MLO, 
> but knowing this is a pretty organized and productive group, I was curios 
> what email client, website or software you guys use. I am only interested 
> in web or PC and Android apps, but of course, Apple and ios folks are free 
> to post.
>
> Thanks
>

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[MLO] Re: MLO 5 Feature Request: Implement date parsing across the board in MLO

[imajeff]

Certainly the GTD way requires rapid entry to the Inbox, and date parsing 
would help throw a due date in there although I point out that in GTD you 
just rapidly enter short tasks and there is another stage where I review 
each task and decide whether there are dates involved with it.
Two things need to be fastest in portable devices:
Rapid task entry to Inbox
Quickly review next steps and check one off

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 11:56:12 PM UTC-6, Joel wrote:
>
> I know that date parsing is available when adding tasks using Rapid Task 
> Entry and when using the "Add to Inbox" button in the Android app (can't 
> speak for iOS app) but I would like to see this available as standard for 
> all tasks, if possible. I know MLO works with both start and due dates so 
> it may not be but having seen this in a couple web apps that have 
> implemented it, I wish MLO could somehow make use of it since so many 
> people love it because it makes working with tasks so flexible. This would 
> be "in task date parsing" (for lack of a better description) that would 
> parse out the dates in your text as you're typing the text. Not sure if 
> this is possible but, if anything, perhaps for future versions.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
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[MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

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Ok I think the first step would be you create the group (I like Discourse), 
as an unofficial thing. Then if it gets organized and looks good it will be 
easier to convince the official MLO people to start using it.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 7:55:02 AM UTC-6, Klaus wrote:
>
> I read this topic 
>  
> and have one question.
>
> Why the MLO team do not create the English-language MLO forum instead of 
> this obsolete Google Group? I dont' think that this is a difficult task. I 
> am currently using Russian-language MLO forum 
>  and can say that it is much 
> more comfortable than this Google Group and never has any delays with 
> posts. The other huge disadvantage of this Google Group is that there is no 
> subsections for Windows MLO, Android MLO and iOS MLO, MLO cloud, developer 
> updates, etc. Here all the messages are in one section and it's really 
> ugly.
>
> I know that there was discussion about that 
>  
> 8 years ago but I think the things has changed since that time (because 
> there was no Android and iOS versions, MLO cloud and other things that 
> require separate section). On the modern forums you can subscribe to any 
> section if you wish (directly using forum features or using RSS) and make 
> many other nice things (member groups, reputation, likes, etc.).  
>
> So what do you think about it? Maybe we should make some sort of poll 
> about that? 
>

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[MLO] Re: Permissions and Cloud sync problems/errors

[imajeff]

I'm starting to worry that you are trying to do Cloud sync but you don't 
have MLO Pro installed?

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 11:07:23 PM UTC-6, Teek Bikos wrote:
>
> No, I suscribed to Cloudsync, so wherever it tries to save is where I have 
> no permissions.

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[MLO] Re: MLO Cloud or Wifi-SYNC? Privacy concerns

[imajeff]

How are you verifying whether data is encrypted? I could only guess by what 
MLO says

If it is done on a computer, it can be hacked (no matter how strong the 
encryption)


On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 11:55:36 AM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Data is not encrypted. Also using AWS does not mean it can't be hacked.
>
> Maybe I should be less paranoid about this. I know that most task managers 
> do not encrypt data at rest. 
>
> (As far as I know only Omnifocus does this. I also own a copy of 
> Omnifocus, but I prefer to use MLO because that's more powerful).
>
>
> Op maandag 11 juni 2018 23:14:02 UTC+2 schreef imajeff:
>>
>> Since https does encrypt your tasks over Internet, what kind of attack 
>> are you worried about? And since they use Amazon services it seems it might 
>> be encrypted on the server storage too, and otherwise securely protected by 
>> a very large and resourseful company.
>>
>> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>>>
>>> I might do the same thing. It's a shame that Wifi-sync only allows 
>>> syncing with 1 mobile device. Currently I use 3 devices. (Laptop / iPad  / 
>>> iPhone). 
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll create 2 profiles. 1 cloud profile with some general routine 
>>> tasks and 1 Wifi-sync profile with some more personal todo's. 
>>>
>>> Op maandag 11 juni 2018 19:03:59 UTC+2 schreef Stéph:
>>>  
>>>
>>>> I use WiFi sync, mostly for similar reasons to you.  One thing which 
>>>> helps is that I only sync my file when I'm at home, where I have set up 
>>>> static IP addresses for my devices. This means my desktop gets recognised 
>>>> next time I sync.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good to have the Wi-Fi sync remember your device name or 
>>>> some unique ID in the MLO file, rather than looking for a constant IP 
>>>> address.
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[MLO] Re: MLO Cloud or Wifi-SYNC? Privacy concerns

[imajeff]

Since https does encrypt your tasks over Internet, what kind of attack are 
you worried about? And since they use Amazon services it seems it might be 
encrypted on the server storage too, and otherwise securely protected by a 
very large and resourseful company.

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> I might do the same thing. It's a shame that Wifi-sync only allows syncing 
> with 1 mobile device. Currently I use 3 devices. (Laptop / iPad  / iPhone). 
>
> Maybe I'll create 2 profiles. 1 cloud profile with some general routine 
> tasks and 1 Wifi-sync profile with some more personal todo's. 
>
> Op maandag 11 juni 2018 19:03:59 UTC+2 schreef Stéph:
>  
>
>> I use WiFi sync, mostly for similar reasons to you.  One thing which 
>> helps is that I only sync my file when I'm at home, where I have set up 
>> static IP addresses for my devices. This means my desktop gets recognised 
>> next time I sync.
>>
>> It would be good to have the Wi-Fi sync remember your device name or some 
>> unique ID in the MLO file, rather than looking for a constant IP address.
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
>>>
>>>

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[MLO] Re: Moderator:

[imajeff]

I just tried it recently and noticed that the only delay I saw was waiting 
for the email from mailing list. I can immediately see my message I posted 
on groups.google.com
So at least right now I'm not really being delayed by moderating.

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:25:46 AM UTC-6, Darryl Brooks wrote:
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> Is this group moderated? My first post was finally posted about 30 hours 
> ago. Since then, I have created and/or replied to quite few more and none 
> are showing up. At this point, I don't know what I have posted and what I 
> haven't. It's a great group and I'd love to participate.
>
> Thanks
> Darryl Brooks
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[MLO] Re: What I really LIKE about MyLifeOrganized!

[imajeff]

I won't forget the best part of MyLifeOrganized is the engine that 
determines what to show and the order in the ToDo list. It is like a 
secretary going over my whole structure of projects and letting me know 
what is my next steps.

Really great, thanks!

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 at 5:20:23 AM UTC-7, Andrey Tkachuk (MLO) 
wrote:
>
> Please post here a few lines about what you really LIKE about 
> MyLifeOrganized application. 
>
>

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[MLO] need updates for older version

[imajeff]

I have MLO Pro 2.0.0 but I had disappeared from computers for a while. Now 
is there any way to download existing updates for v2?

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[MLO] Re: WiFi sync and changing IP addresses

[imajeff]

I have MLO 2.0.0 Pro for Windows and I thought it brilliant that I can sync 
a ml file on Dropbox. However, I need to open that file on Android but the 
MLO there has no option to open a file..?

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 5:44:16 AM UTC-6, grizz wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Moreover the best solution would be to have a possibility to sync via 
> file. Android version should have an option to read MLO file from 
> filesystem, and user could sync files as he likes (gdrive, rsnyc, dropbox, 
> syncthing via own NAS).
>
> W dniu środa, 23 maja 2018 16:41:31 UTC+2 użytkownik Mike K. napisał:
>>
>> Any news on this subject? 
>>
>> It's pretty annoying to 'Unpair' the Wifi sync settings after a IP 
>> change. 
>>
>> Why is it not possible to just edit the 'PC IP address' field in the Wifi 
>> Sync settings on iOS?
>>
>> I've switched from cloud sync to Wifi sync because of privacy concerns. I 
>> hope the developers will enable encryption on the cloud files! Then I will 
>> switch back to the cloud.
>>
>

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[MLO] Should I upgrade from much older version 2

[imajeff]

I have MLO Professional 2.0.0 and I am wondering if it's worth upgrading or 
using it as is.

Could I get any discount upgrading to 4.4.x?
What's important to someone that I would be missing if I keep using 2.0?
Is there a way to get the latest 2.x update if I keep using 2?

Thanks for any information.

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