Re: [NetBehaviour] Netochka Nezvanova.
Of course. On 10 Sep 2011, at 01:52, Alan Sondheim wrote: Hi Simon, I can write you back channel about this if you want. Your description below was followed. What happened was ugly. - Alan On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: I'm surprised empyre was grief. So long as you stick to the monthly theme (it is a strictly thematic discussion list, not a general discussion list, and is moderated to ensure there are no announcements or off topic posts) it is a very generous community, in my experience. Melissa started it with excellent intentions and they have remained at its core. best Simon On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:50, Alan Sondheim wrote: I had real trouble on empyre and went quiet; I was one of the guests at one point and was attacked by one of the moderators during the period. So I'm not very partial to it. Syndicate was only announcement at the end, far more interesting earlier as was 7-11 etc. The Cybermind list I run has been going for 18 years strong, as has been wryting-l which was originally fiction-of-philosophy. Depends on the list. - Alan On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Ana Vald?s wrote: I remember I was subscribed to Syndicate as well but I never heard about NN and never participated, I felt Syndicate was more a list for announcements of events, maybe I only subscribed to the events list. But it's interesting to discuss the validity of the mailinglists today, as forums for discussion or for sharing information. I have been participating in the Australian list -empyre for many years and now I feel the list is slowly dissapearing. Some of you (Patrick Lichty was a briljant moderator for some month's ago) are members of -empyre too. Do you feel the same as me? It's not strange, the list has been on the net for ages and the moderators do a terrific job but the most of people are freelancing artists or teachers with very little time to spare... I tried today to reach their arrchives and the links were broken. It would be a real loss if -empyre is gone. Ana On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:54 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Ana, Thanks for the link to 'Doctress Neutopia', very interesting... Yes - I remember on the (once brilliant) Syndicate list years ago, where Netochka Nezvanova, N.N., antiorp, integer dominated, causing all kinds of upset... The net entity nn (Netochka Nezvanova, integer, antiorp, etc.), a pseudonym used by an international group of artists and programmers in their extensive and aggressive mailing list-based online-performances and for other art projects, had been subscribed to the Syndicate list in 1997. It was, as the first of less than a handful of people ever, unsubscribed against its will because it was spamming the list so heavily that all meaningful communication was blocked. In January 2001, nn sent an e-mail asking to again be subscribed to the Syndicate mailing list. (What nn never bothered to realise was that subscription to the list had always been open so that, at any point, it could have subscribed itself - we have always wondered why Majordomo is such a blind spot in this technophile entity's arsenal.) After getting assurances from nn that she was not out to misuse the list, we subscribed it to the Syndicate list. Naively, as we had to realise. nn went from one or two messages every day in February to an average of three to five message in April and up to eight and ten messages per day in May and June - and that on a list which had a regular daily traffic of three to five messages a day. The distributed nature of the nn collective makes it possible for them to keep posting 24 hours a day - great for promoting your online presence, irritating for people who have a less frantic life rhythm. nn's messages are always cryptic, sometimes amusing, often tediously repetitive in their quirky rhetorics and style, and generally irritating for the majority of people. Its activity on the Syndicate - like on many other lists it has used and terrorised - soon came to look like a hijack. But the sheer mass of traffic nn was generating, the sheer amount of nn's presence, was overwhelming. Perhaps this phenomenon could be compared to SMEGL, short for super mental grid lock, a term that was developed to describe traffic jam situations in NYC back in the eighties (or was this term coined in Berlin-Kreuzberg's famous Fischbuero? Who knows, the boundaries get blurred...). In the spring of 2001, nn's and other people's activities who use open, unmoderated mailing lists for promulgating their self-promotional e-mails, triggered discussions about 'spam art', on Syndicate as well as on other lists. Actually, given the extreme openness and vulnerability of a structure like the Syndicate it
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netochka Nezvanova.
I hope you are right about the net becoming more open source and heterogeneous Alan. But my experience leads me to think otherwise. I can't speak of what is happening in the States but here in the UK (and the EU) government is going to great lengths to work with industry to find ways to monetise the net. This is about big business, who have the resources government needs to make its policies happen, and small companies (from one person micro-startups to SME's with maybe 100 employees) working closely with government policy makers and various research agencies to reformulate how people access and use the net. A recent and substantial shift is the advent of mobile smart media. These handheld devices are undeniably powerful and allow all sorts of things to be done that are difficult with conventional computers (like GPS, AR, etc) but a key difference in these devices is that they are not computers in the sense that Turing proposed the computer. They are not programmable systems but client devices. You need to programme them with a computer and load the software onto the client. Policy makers, both in government and commerce, love this. I've been at meetings where suits debate the importance of the development of such devices in ensuring control of access to and use of the net. To a small degree they are thinking about how these consumer technologies make it more difficult for alternate or perverse uses of the net to be sustained but mainly they are thinking about IP and money. They want to make sure that centralised authorship (the means of production), which has been under threat since the advent of the PC and the internet, can be re-constructed and traditional producer/consumer relations re-established. These are people from News International, the BBC, Pearson, Apple, Google, Microsoft and various corporations of diverse character. But they all share this focus on regaining control of IP. A good place to begin in comprehending what government is seeking to do, in complicity with such corporations, is to read the Hargreaves report (link below). Here you will find that things like co-creation are identified as emerging trends but you will note that by this they do not mean an enabled populace liberating themselves through creative activity on the net but a supplicant audience hooked on a centrally produced media product through their sublimated engagement in it. Here you can keep the image of Julie Christie in Fahrenheit 451, engaging in false interactive dialogue with TV characters who are actually not aware of her existence, to the fore. It is beautifully tragic moment which sums up so much of our contemporary media - along with the drug overdose that follows and her complete forgetting of events. I'm afraid that this will be definitive version and people like you and me will end up in the forest, living amongst the detritus of a lost society - but as I said, I hope you are right and I'm wrong. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipreview-finalreport.pdf best Simon On 10 Sep 2011, at 01:51, Alan Sondheim wrote: I'm not sure how that was decided, i.e. her importance. Universities here tended to know her by which I mean media people. Of course the net's different but not all that different - I think of Wikileaks for example. It's just that a lot of the edgier stuff has gone underground which is natural; the demographics favors of course average users for whom Fb or + are gods of sorts. You're right about students not knowing the early net, but that's also the job of universities, to critically deepen the understanding of tools and conditions we're working with/under. Usenet's an obvious example. Fidonet's an example of a different form of organization for social media - and one that might become increasingly necessary in the future. I do use Fb a lot, as well as the lounge.espdisk.com blog, Eyebeam's blog, who knows what else, + I guess. But it's my understanding, say, of the phenomenology and promise of lists that makes me able to deal critically with them. I do wonder what the stats are for email lists and how they're gathered - do you know? A list like Poetics is going full blast, although I have problems with what 'going' means in that context. I'm also curious about IRC stats and newsgroups, since some of the last are functioning on a highly technical level. Finally, I find it problematic that you find the net 'dominated by big business, etc., that is going to be more like that' (pardon the bad quoting). I don't feel any of us know how things are going to develop; we all have our contacts, habitus, invisible colleges, networkings, etc., and radically different experiences and predictions as a result. I see a far more open source and open net coming, but then I'm dealing with AR and at Eyebeam, hactivism people. I think the net in fact is getting too large to characterize uniformly, just as America tends to
Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: On Odyssey. Or Columbia I am. Or Humlab. - Alan Hi Alan, I've checked these places quite regularly, but they're nearly always abandoned. Last night there were five avatars in Odyssey, one stood by a wheelbarrow, with the others underground beneath the hill. I made some attempts to try and find them (without any idea of what I'd do if I did) but after an hour or so gave up. By the end of it though I had at least enjoyed exploring Odyssey and found lots more in it than I had previously realized. In my explorations of SL, I've often found small groups of avatars hidden 'underground' in inaccessible locations. I'm guess that these are land owners, and the locations are only accessible to them? Cheers, James. PS been hoping to see some of your stuff in there! On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote: attempting to run second life in arch linux amd64 snowglobe is the most successful so far: http://jwm-art.net/image/j4m35_String-Crash.png secondlife-bin from AUR presents black window. trying imprudence... seems to work: http://jwm-art.net/image/imprudence-j4m35-string.png so where is all the interesting stuff? -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Art exhibition at ISEA-Istanbul biennale
The Southern Ocean Studies The Southern Ocean Studies will be presented as a projection on the cupola of the Çemberlitas Hamam, built by Mimar Sinan in 1584. from: 14th September 2011. The event will be a joyful gathering moment for ISEA2011 Istanbul artists and presenters. It will be possible to enjoy the bath, discuss the artwork, sit on the characteristic terrace at the top of the building where you can eat and have a drink. Lanfranco Aceti, ISEA2011 Istanbul Artistic Director and Conference Chair invites you Friday September 16, 2011 from 8pm to 10:30pm to participate in the official ISEA Gathering at the Çemberlitaş Hamam to discuss issues of contemporary ecology, melting of the poles and the importance of water in world culture while bathing in the surroundings of this historical building adorned with the artwork of Gavin Baily, Tom Corby and Jonathan Mackenzie. The artwork you will see here shows the Southern Ocean circulating the Antarctic land mass (central). The project software runs in real-time generating the ocean currents on the fly, to which are mapped various other ecological data sets. These geophysical couplings mesh in real time, to produce flickering constellations of tidal flow, wind direction and biotic form. Whilst respecting the underlying science, the work seeks to develop a sensibility to the dynamics of ecological complexity as pattern and felt experience rather than quantity and measure. In doing so we hope to articulate an aesthetic of system-ness – a metonym for the interconnected forces operative within the ecosphere to which lived human behavior contributes and is a part. http://isea2011.sabanciuniv.edu/other-event/southern-ocean-studies http://isea2011.sabanciuniv.edu/other-event/southern-ocean-studies ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Andrej, Thanks for sending us the link. I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? wishing you well. marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Deeply rooted island dwellers xenofobia Both continental (Europe) and Empire (British-American) related 'Open' communities tend to absorb the same societal (mis)behaviours as their allegedly oppositional precursors It is only a matter of time when enemies are friends again and the reconstructionalist mobs are ruling as they did before Nothing is more difficult and painstakely frustating then building communities without falling in the deep dark abyss of human failure of miscommunication Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:37, Andrej Tisma a...@eunet.rs wrote: Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Old School Color Cycling with HTML5.
Old School Color Cycling with HTML5. Anyone remember Color cycling from the 90s? This was a technology often used in 8-bit video games of the era, to achieve interesting visual effects by cycling (shifting) the color palette. Back then video cards could only render 256 colors at a time, so a palette of selected colors was used. But the programmer could change this palette at will, and all the onscreen colors would instantly change to match. It was fast, and took virtually no memory. Thus began the era of color cycling. http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
And I react to the discussion about Soros. I mean the guy is a ruthless capitalist making his money from speculations with money, but but...Carnegie does the same and yesterday the Carnegie award for an important Nordic painter was awarded. 10 Euro to a Finnish painter. Among the chosen were 12 painters from all the Nordic countries. I know some of them privately, people with leftist opinions, voting the left parties, they don't see any contradiction among their ideas and being sponsored by Carnegie, one of the biggest banks in the world, one of Wall Streets holy cows. I attended 1996 or 1997 a conference organized by Sandy Stone's in Budapest. Guess who sponsored the whole event, Soros of course. And why is Soros to blame when we are all helping Zuckerberg to be a billionaire? I have seen many examples of Soro sharing his wealth, Bill Gates does the same through his fundation (in despite the Gates fundation don't seems to have a clue what they are sponsoring or giving money too, many African are critical towards their choice of partners). But I have not seen one occasion where Zuckerberg is giving or sharing some profit. I should really welcome a discussion where Facebook, Soros and anothers were exposed. And I know I am touching a mined terrain, I have been living with grants from the Swedish state many years, ok, grants to my writing not to myself, but... Why should a state grants be more decent or more acceptable than Soros or Facebooks's or Gates? Ana On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nlwrote: Deeply rooted island dwellers xenofobia Both continental (Europe) and Empire (British-American) related 'Open' communities tend to absorb the same societal (mis)behaviours as their allegedly oppositional precursors It is only a matter of time when enemies are friends again and the reconstructionalist mobs are ruling as they did before Nothing is more difficult and painstakely frustating then building communities without falling in the deep dark abyss of human failure of miscommunication Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:37, Andrej Tisma a...@eunet.rs wrote: Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15852 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/gender-issues/ http://www.scoop.it/t/literary-exiles/ http://www.scoop.it/t/museums-and-ethics/ http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/ mobil/cell +4670-3213370 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
...CARNEGIE WAS SADIST AND BLOODSUCKER...BUT...MAIN PROBLEM FOR US/TODAY IS...WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT...HIS DONATION FOR CULTURE/LIBRARY,BUILDINGS,AWARD YOU MENTION ... HERE/...OR HIS MONSTER EXPLOIT OF WORKERS...FOR HIS 'HUMANITARIAN' WORK IN SERBIA SOROS WANT /ONLY/ MINE 'TREPCHA' RICHEST WITH COPPER /IN WHOLE WORLD/...WORTH FEW BILLION THOUSAND TIME MORE THAN HIS HUMANITARIAN DONATIONS TO SERBIA...IF WE NEED ANSWER ON THOSE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO USE ENTIRE NEW LOGIC AND INVENT NEW SEMANTICS...THAT'S ONLY WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTIONS ...I CAN'T SEE NOW VALID ANSWER...IT'S WAY OUT OF ECONOMY OR MARKET LOGIC/THAT JUST LOOK LIKE PART OF IT/...MANIK...SEPTEMBER...2011... - Original Message - From: Ana Valdés To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History And I react to the discussion about Soros. I mean the guy is a ruthless capitalist making his money from speculations with money, but but...Carnegie does the same and yesterday the Carnegie award for an important Nordic painter was awarded. 10 Euro to a Finnish painter. Among the chosen were 12 painters from all the Nordic countries. I know some of them privately, people with leftist opinions, voting the left parties, they don't see any contradiction among their ideas and being sponsored by Carnegie, one of the biggest banks in the world, one of Wall Streets holy cows. I attended 1996 or 1997 a conference organized by Sandy Stone's in Budapest. Guess who sponsored the whole event, Soros of course. And why is Soros to blame when we are all helping Zuckerberg to be a billionaire? I have seen many examples of Soro sharing his wealth, Bill Gates does the same through his fundation (in despite the Gates fundation don't seems to have a clue what they are sponsoring or giving money too, many African are critical towards their choice of partners). But I have not seen one occasion where Zuckerberg is giving or sharing some profit. I should really welcome a discussion where Facebook, Soros and anothers were exposed. And I know I am touching a mined terrain, I have been living with grants from the Swedish state many years, ok, grants to my writing not to myself, but... Why should a state grants be more decent or more acceptable than Soros or Facebooks's or Gates? Ana On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl wrote: Deeply rooted island dwellers xenofobia Both continental (Europe) and Empire (British-American) related 'Open' communities tend to absorb the same societal (mis)behaviours as their allegedly oppositional precursors It is only a matter of time when enemies are friends again and the reconstructionalist mobs are ruling as they did before Nothing is more difficult and painstakely frustating then building communities without falling in the deep dark abyss of human failure of miscommunication Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:37, Andrej Tisma a...@eunet.rs wrote: Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15852 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/gender-issues/ http://www.scoop.it/t/literary-exiles/ http://www.scoop.it/t/museums-and-ethics/ http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/ mobil/cell +4670-3213370 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Elephant and Castle Urban Forest.
Welcome to the Elephant and Castle Urban Forest. Yes it’s true, there really is one! Come and see for yourself at our forthcoming events: http://elephantandcastleurbanforest.com/ Elephant and Castle Urban Forest is London’s secret woodland. At its heart are 450 majestic trees, mostly London Plane, which for decades have been thriving hidden behind the towering slabs of the Heygate Estate in a part of London best known for concrete, cars and a big pink shopping centre. Glimpses of the woodland can be seen by outsiders along the bustling New Kent Road and on the northern corner of Walworth Road. But today most of this mature forest is a sheltered and verdant semi-wilderness thriving in between the remains of the almost empty social housing estate. A few people know the secret and are having fun in there. Some residents remain and the evicted return to enjoy the green space. In clearings guerrilla gardeners have established new allotments and in the old playgrounds people still congregate. This forest has entered an exciting new phase of its life... ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Elephant and Castle Urban Forest.
brilliant - will go and take a look, it's just down the road from me dave On 10 September 2011 14:20, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Welcome to the Elephant and Castle Urban Forest. Yes it’s true, there really is one! Come and see for yourself at our forthcoming events: http://elephantandcastleurbanforest.com/ Elephant and Castle Urban Forest is London’s secret woodland. At its heart are 450 majestic trees, mostly London Plane, which for decades have been thriving hidden behind the towering slabs of the Heygate Estate in a part of London best known for concrete, cars and a big pink shopping centre. Glimpses of the woodland can be seen by outsiders along the bustling New Kent Road and on the northern corner of Walworth Road. But today most of this mature forest is a sheltered and verdant semi-wilderness thriving in between the remains of the almost empty social housing estate. A few people know the secret and are having fun in there. Some residents remain and the evicted return to enjoy the green space. In clearings guerrilla gardeners have established new allotments and in the old playgrounds people still congregate. This forest has entered an exciting new phase of its life... ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still harsh, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
Hi James, once things are settled down vis-a-vis my father and the flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm not sure what you saw - they might have been bots of some sort. Most of the time these artspaces _are_ empty; I go 'in' to do my work or sometimes to see a performance and then log out. But there is still a lot of building/art going on. It's just not so much of a social space. - Alan On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: On Odyssey. Or Columbia I am. Or Humlab. - Alan Hi Alan, I've checked these places quite regularly, but they're nearly always abandoned. Last night there were five avatars in Odyssey, one stood by a wheelbarrow, with the others underground beneath the hill. I made some attempts to try and find them (without any idea of what I'd do if I did) but after an hour or so gave up. By the end of it though I had at least enjoyed exploring Odyssey and found lots more in it than I had previously realized. In my explorations of SL, I've often found small groups of avatars hidden 'underground' in inaccessible locations. I'm guess that these are land owners, and the locations are only accessible to them? Cheers, James. PS been hoping to see some of your stuff in there! On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote: attempting to run second life in arch linux amd64 snowglobe is the most successful so far: http://jwm-art.net/image/j4m35_String-Crash.png secondlife-bin from AUR presents black window. trying imprudence... seems to work: http://jwm-art.net/image/imprudence-j4m35-string.png so where is all the interesting stuff? -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Andrej, What I found strange, is that I have met you personally and know that the picture painted of you at the time is completely different... Some have asked why is it being discussed now - as in the NN thing? I am not sure how to answer this, other than, it was part of my own networked history also and it is one of those moments in time that younger generations should observe and then consider themselves, on their own terms - reflection is an important thing... chat again. marc Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Auto Italia LIVE
Auto Italia LIVE 24th September – 8th October Launching Saturday 24th September 8pm With following broadcasts, 1st October, 8th October Auto Italia South East presents Auto Italia Live: an artist-run TV series, performed before a studio audience and broadcast live over the Internet. Working in collaboration with Auto Italia a wide variety of artists will produce new work through weekly episodes, engaging directly with the format of live Television and a history of artists using broadcast media platforms to distribute work. Featuring a full camera crew, lighting technicians, directors, performers, production designers and set builders, artists will engage with all aspects of production opening the space for criticality and intervention within the medium. The series aims to experiment with new possibilities to engage in contemporary broadcast and internet culture whilst also responding to the familiar tropes and formulas within television programming. http://autoitaliasoutheast.org/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netochka Nezvanova.
Hi Simon, I'll look at the report of course. You might look at Sartre's notion of seriality in Critique of Dialectical Reason for a philosophical discussion backing up the points you make. I may be living in somewhat of a dreamworld here to be sure, since there are so many projects I see happening all the time, including what might be considered maverick AR which is pretty unsponsored. It doesn't appear to be the monolith you're seeing, but then I'm also looking more at the creative / new media activities going on. More later, we're getting ready to go to Pennsylvania, the flood waters are receding and I'm meeting my brother there to go through the family house etc. Apologies, Alan On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: I hope you are right about the net becoming more open source and heterogeneous Alan. But my experience leads me to think otherwise. I can't speak of what is happening in the States but here in the UK (and the EU) government is going to great lengths to work with industry to find ways to monetise the net. This is about big business, who have the resources government needs to make its policies happen, and small companies (from one person micro-startups to SME's with maybe 100 employees) working closely with government policy makers and various research agencies to reformulate how people access and use the net. A recent and substantial shift is the advent of mobile smart media. These handheld devices are undeniably powerful and allow all sorts of things to be done that are difficult with conventional computers (like GPS, AR, etc) but a key difference in these devices is that they are not computers in the sense that Turing proposed the computer. They are not programmable system s but client devices. You need to programme them with a computer and load the software onto the client. Policy makers, both in government and commerce, love this. I've been at meetings where suits debate the importance of the development of such devices in ensuring control of access to and use of the net. To a small degree they are thinking about how these consumer technologies make it more difficult for alternate or perverse uses of the net to be sustained but mainly they are thinking about IP and money. They want to make sure that centralised authorship (the means of production), which has been under threat since the advent of the PC and the internet, can be re-constructed and traditional producer/consumer relations re-established. These are people from News International, the BBC, Pearson, Apple, Google, Microsoft and various corporations of diverse character. But they all share this focus on regaining control of IP. A good place to begin in comprehending what gover nment is seeking to do, in complicity with such corporations, is to read the Hargreaves report (link below). Here you will find that things like co-creation are identified as emerging trends but you will note that by this they do not mean an enabled populace liberating themselves through creative activity on the net but a supplicant audience hooked on a centrally produced media product through their sublimated engagement in it. Here you can keep the image of Julie Christie in Fahrenheit 451, engaging in false interactive dialogue with TV characters who are actually not aware of her existence, to the fore. It is beautifully tragic moment which sums up so much of our contemporary media - along with the drug overdose that follows and her complete forgetting of events. I'm afraid that this will be definitive version and people like you and me will end up in the forest, living amongst the detritus of a lost society - but as I said, I hope you are right and I'm wrong. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipreview-finalreport.pdf best Simon On 10 Sep 2011, at 01:51, Alan Sondheim wrote: I'm not sure how that was decided, i.e. her importance. Universities here tended to know her by which I mean media people. Of course the net's different but not all that different - I think of Wikileaks for example. It's just that a lot of the edgier stuff has gone underground which is natural; the demographics favors of course average users for whom Fb or + are gods of sorts. You're right about students not knowing the early net, but that's also the job of universities, to critically deepen the understanding of tools and conditions we're working with/under. Usenet's an obvious example. Fidonet's an example of a different form of organization for social media - and one that might become increasingly necessary in the future. I do use Fb a lot, as well as the lounge.espdisk.com blog, Eyebeam's blog, who knows what else, + I guess. But it's my understanding, say, of the phenomenology and promise of lists that makes me able to deal critically with them. I do wonder what the stats are for email lists and how they're gathered - do you know? A list like Poetics is going full blast, although I have problems with what 'going' means in
[NetBehaviour] French-Romany Filmmaker, King Kong and Vermeer
Happy birthday Tony Gatlif.. (two posts from my blog) http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2007/07/02/the-roma-filmmaker-tony-gatlif/ His more recent film Liberte here. http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2010/09/04/liberte-tony-gatlif/ (Tony is a French film director of Romani ethnicity who also works as a screenwriter, composer, actor, and producer.) My current post..King Kong and Vermeer... find the towers from these clips. http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2011/09/09/king-kong-and-vermeer/ I used to work in that famous tall building.. WTC.. 79th Floor.. Fung Lin Hall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Netochka Nezvanova.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
...and indicative of how history repeats itself. I am sure that (whilst most, if not all, of us on this list are to the left) there are mixed opinions over what has happened in Libya and what should be done (for example) in Syria or Palestine or, for that matter, how we should handle the current sovereign debt crisis. In the 1990's emotions ran high over what happened as Yugoslavia broke up. Sometimes, even when you didn't seek it, you ended up on one side or another. I supported Bosnia's bid for freedom and got involved in initiatives there, as well as helping out refugees in the UK. I also chose to show my work in Slovenia and Croatia during the period of the Balkan wars, again because I supported their independence. However, I doubt I'd have worked in Serbia during that period (I've shown work there since 2000). Some people had an issue with that at that time, including friends. Some probably still would. I was in Zagreb a few weeks ago and was struck how that conflict is still raw and live. However, the big debate was not about the war but about whether Croatia should join the EU. Some people I spoke with said they would like to see the old Yugoslavia back and consider Serbia as their natural partner (and the EU, dominated by Germany, as their foe). I know the history there is extremely complex. We have (since the 19th Century) the English verb Balkanise (to fragment and engender conflict in something), indicating that this is not a recent phenomenon. The word has its roots in the conflict between the Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians and thus, in a way, the situation goes back to the division of the Roman Empire into Eastern and Western zones. That is getting on for two millennia ago. That's a lot of baggage. best Simon On 10 Sep 2011, at 15:17, marc garrett wrote: Hi Andrej, What I found strange, is that I have met you personally and know that the picture painted of you at the time is completely different... Some have asked why is it being discussed now - as in the NN thing? I am not sure how to answer this, other than, it was part of my own networked history also and it is one of those moments in time that younger generations should observe and then consider themselves, on their own terms - reflection is an important thing... chat again. marc Hi Marc, I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list have had all kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the NetBehaviour list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was kicked from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react differently? I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has happened at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty job. I keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. wishing you well. Wish you well too. Andrej marc Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk | www.littlepig.org.uk s.bi...@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Auto Italia LIVE
As an owner of classic Italian sports car this is very confusing. Auto Italia is the bible of Italian car nuts. best Simon On 10 Sep 2011, at 15:27, info wrote: Auto Italia LIVE 24th September – 8th October Launching Saturday 24th September 8pm With following broadcasts, 1st October, 8th October Auto Italia South East presents Auto Italia Live: an artist-run TV series, performed before a studio audience and broadcast live over the Internet. Working in collaboration with Auto Italia a wide variety of artists will produce new work through weekly episodes, engaging directly with the format of live Television and a history of artists using broadcast media platforms to distribute work. Featuring a full camera crew, lighting technicians, directors, performers, production designers and set builders, artists will engage with all aspects of production opening the space for criticality and intervention within the medium. The series aims to experiment with new possibilities to engage in contemporary broadcast and internet culture whilst also responding to the familiar tropes and formulas within television programming. http://autoitaliasoutheast.org/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk | www.littlepig.org.uk s.bi...@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi James, once things are settled down vis-a-vis my father and the
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm not
Yes of course, whenever you are ready. Sorry about your father and
the flooding. BTW I enjoyed watching/listening to your pain.mp4.
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm not
sure what you saw - they might have been bots of some sort. Most of
I recognized one or two of the names shown in the mini-map as being
people known for virtual performance art within Second Life, ie Fau
Ferdinand.
the time these artspaces _are_ empty; I go 'in' to do my work or
sometimes to see a performance and then log out. But there is still a
lot of building/art going on. It's just not so much of a social space.
Overall, second life is an interesting space to explore. I've been
teleporting around the map from place to place seeing what I can find.
At times it can seem like all there is in there is sex and fashion and
more sex. A bit like the internet but more so.Setting the access rating
to pg/mature/adult doesn't help there, but who wants to miss out ;-)
In an attempt to find interesting places I type terms into the search
and teleport to those I like the sound of. I had great expectations of
a place called Surreal, but it was a very tranquil place, with a group
of peaceful seeming people fishing and playing board games. The lack of
any surreal qualities to the place was disappointing, but, on the other
hand, it was non-threatening and didn't feel unwelcome.However, the
neighbours of surreal defended their property with gun turrets and
a pirate flag and shot at me when I flew in there before being given a
ten second warning to get out and, with barely a second passed, was
teleported back to my home (which doesn't exist anymore).
Another place, I was exploring, an occupant asked what I was doing
there and how I found it. I told them to google Aphex Twin (the place
was called Aphexx). Then I was informed it was very private and that I
should leave. Ok.
From looking at land ownership though I can kinda understand why
some people take it so seriously, and even why some locations don't
welcome 'cartoon' avatars ('mature' avatars are welcome).
In the first few days I couldn't for the life of me understand why most
people seem to view SL as an opportunity to fit in rather than as an
opportunity to
James.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
On Odyssey. Or Columbia I am. Or Humlab.
- Alan
Hi Alan,
I've checked these places quite regularly, but they're nearly always
abandoned. Last night there were five avatars in Odyssey, one stood
by a wheelbarrow, with the others underground beneath the hill. I
made some attempts to try and find them (without any idea of what
I'd do if I did) but after an hour or so gave up.
By the end of it though I had at least enjoyed exploring Odyssey and
found lots more in it than I had previously realized.
In my explorations of SL, I've often found small groups of avatars
hidden 'underground' in inaccessible locations. I'm guess that these
are land owners, and the locations are only accessible to them?
Cheers,
James.
PS been hoping to see some of your stuff in there!
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
attempting to run second life in arch linux amd64
snowglobe is the most successful so far:
http://jwm-art.net/image/j4m35_String-Crash.png
secondlife-bin from AUR presents black window.
trying imprudence...
seems to work:
http://jwm-art.net/image/imprudence-j4m35-string.png
so where is all the interesting stuff?
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Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
I agree re: opportunity. I never run into the sex/fashion stuff, mainly
because it doesn't interest me - there's enough on the streets here - and
I'm there to create and experiment; it's like a dynamic three-dimensional
canvas in a lot of ways. I can put you in touch with Fau if you want - she
lives in London, has worked with Stelarc etc., and is a really good
artist. She also runs Odyssey.
It's weird running into hostility like that; I don't understand it. I stay
away from stuff like that; Odyssey's always welcoming as far as I know -
if it wasn't, I'd leave.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi James, once things are settled down vis-a-vis my father and the
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm not
Yes of course, whenever you are ready. Sorry about your father and
the flooding. BTW I enjoyed watching/listening to your pain.mp4.
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm not
sure what you saw - they might have been bots of some sort. Most of
I recognized one or two of the names shown in the mini-map as being
people known for virtual performance art within Second Life, ie Fau
Ferdinand.
the time these artspaces _are_ empty; I go 'in' to do my work or
sometimes to see a performance and then log out. But there is still a
lot of building/art going on. It's just not so much of a social space.
Overall, second life is an interesting space to explore. I've been
teleporting around the map from place to place seeing what I can find.
At times it can seem like all there is in there is sex and fashion and
more sex. A bit like the internet but more so.Setting the access rating
to pg/mature/adult doesn't help there, but who wants to miss out ;-)
In an attempt to find interesting places I type terms into the search
and teleport to those I like the sound of. I had great expectations of
a place called Surreal, but it was a very tranquil place, with a group
of peaceful seeming people fishing and playing board games. The lack of
any surreal qualities to the place was disappointing, but, on the other
hand, it was non-threatening and didn't feel unwelcome.However, the
neighbours of surreal defended their property with gun turrets and
a pirate flag and shot at me when I flew in there before being given a
ten second warning to get out and, with barely a second passed, was
teleported back to my home (which doesn't exist anymore).
Another place, I was exploring, an occupant asked what I was doing
there and how I found it. I told them to google Aphex Twin (the place
was called Aphexx). Then I was informed it was very private and that I
should leave. Ok.
From looking at land ownership though I can kinda understand why
some people take it so seriously, and even why some locations don't
welcome 'cartoon' avatars ('mature' avatars are welcome).
In the first few days I couldn't for the life of me understand why most
people seem to view SL as an opportunity to fit in rather than as an
opportunity to
James.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
On Odyssey. Or Columbia I am. Or Humlab.
- Alan
Hi Alan,
I've checked these places quite regularly, but they're nearly always
abandoned. Last night there were five avatars in Odyssey, one stood
by a wheelbarrow, with the others underground beneath the hill. I
made some attempts to try and find them (without any idea of what
I'd do if I did) but after an hour or so gave up.
By the end of it though I had at least enjoyed exploring Odyssey and
found lots more in it than I had previously realized.
In my explorations of SL, I've often found small groups of avatars
hidden 'underground' in inaccessible locations. I'm guess that these
are land owners, and the locations are only accessible to them?
Cheers,
James.
PS been hoping to see some of your stuff in there!
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
attempting to run second life in arch linux amd64
snowglobe is the most successful so far:
http://jwm-art.net/image/j4m35_String-Crash.png
secondlife-bin from AUR presents black window.
trying imprudence...
seems to work:
http://jwm-art.net/image/imprudence-j4m35-string.png
so where is all the interesting stuff?
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http://jwm-art.net/
image/audio/text/code/
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Very nice! nostalgic code. -- Paul On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 6:22 AM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Old School Color Cycling with HTML5. Anyone remember Color cycling from the 90s? This was a technology often used in 8-bit video games of the era, to achieve interesting visual effects by cycling (shifting) the color palette. Back then video cards could only render 256 colors at a time, so a palette of selected colors was used. But the programmer could change this palette at will, and all the onscreen colors would instantly change to match. It was fast, and took virtually no memory. Thus began the era of color cycling. http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- - |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- http://ignotus.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
I agree re: opportunity. I never run into the sex/fashion stuff,
mainly because it doesn't interest me - there's enough on the streets
Haven't purposely run into it.
here - and I'm there to create and experiment; it's like a dynamic
three-dimensional canvas in a lot of ways. I can put you in touch
Exploration is a part of that though.
with Fau if you want - she lives in London, has worked with Stelarc
etc., and is a really good artist. She also runs Odyssey.
Don't know how long i'll remain interested, the wind could change. The
possibilities afforded by the scripting, the potential of things
which could be built, and the existence of friendly people, are
keeping my interest, but the scripting and building (AFAICT) is
limited as it is, meaning some things are only possible if you have
land to set them down on.
It's weird running into hostility like that; I don't understand it. I
stay away from stuff like that; Odyssey's always welcoming as far as
I know - if it wasn't, I'd leave.
Most places ban all weapons, guess that was one that doesn't. Being
shot down when I randomly fly into an area with gun turrets and
pirate flags is no skin off my back! I dislike the arrogant avatars I
get the feeling are controlled by a snotty teenager who think that
because they know how to write a few flashy scripts mean they can piss
people off.
but anyway, exploring is interesting. i love the fact that you don't
really need your avatar to explore, that you can just point and
click and drag your camera around corners through windows and into
houses, that ban lines can't stop you from doing this, that the
security systems although they can teleport your avatar, they can't
teleport your camera. that you can touch things with needing your
avatar anywhere near, that some of the touchy-orb things can be
(ab?)used as teleport devices (ie when you sit on them, or 'ride' on
them etc) to get you in somewhere where you'd otherwise not have access
to. that's quite good fun.
james
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi James, once things are settled down vis-a-vis my father and the
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm
not
Yes of course, whenever you are ready. Sorry about your father and
the flooding. BTW I enjoyed watching/listening to your pain.mp4.
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm
not sure what you saw - they might have been bots of some sort.
Most of
I recognized one or two of the names shown in the mini-map as being
people known for virtual performance art within Second Life, ie Fau
Ferdinand.
the time these artspaces _are_ empty; I go 'in' to do my work or
sometimes to see a performance and then log out. But there is
still a lot of building/art going on. It's just not so much of a
social space.
Overall, second life is an interesting space to explore. I've been
teleporting around the map from place to place seeing what I can
find.
At times it can seem like all there is in there is sex and fashion
and more sex. A bit like the internet but more so.Setting the
access rating to pg/mature/adult doesn't help there, but who wants
to miss out ;-)
In an attempt to find interesting places I type terms into the
search and teleport to those I like the sound of. I had great
expectations of a place called Surreal, but it was a very tranquil
place, with a group of peaceful seeming people fishing and playing
board games. The lack of any surreal qualities to the place was
disappointing, but, on the other hand, it was non-threatening and
didn't feel unwelcome.However, the neighbours of surreal defended
their property with gun turrets and a pirate flag and shot at me
when I flew in there before being given a ten second warning to get
out and, with barely a second passed, was teleported back to my
home (which doesn't exist anymore).
Another place, I was exploring, an occupant asked what I was doing
there and how I found it. I told them to google Aphex Twin (the
place was called Aphexx). Then I was informed it was very private
and that I should leave. Ok.
From looking at land ownership though I can kinda understand why
some people take it so seriously, and even why some locations don't
welcome 'cartoon' avatars ('mature' avatars are welcome).
In the first few days I couldn't for the life of me understand why
most people seem to view SL as an opportunity to fit in rather than
as an opportunity to
James.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
On Odyssey. Or Columbia I am. Or Humlab.
- Alan
Hi Alan,
I've checked these places quite
Re: [NetBehaviour] SL: linux, crashed, working, where to go?
That stuff's great. You can also move your camera through other avatars,
through their emptiness. People think exploration is determined by where
they are, and of course it's not.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
I agree re: opportunity. I never run into the sex/fashion stuff,
mainly because it doesn't interest me - there's enough on the streets
Haven't purposely run into it.
here - and I'm there to create and experiment; it's like a dynamic
three-dimensional canvas in a lot of ways. I can put you in touch
Exploration is a part of that though.
with Fau if you want - she lives in London, has worked with Stelarc
etc., and is a really good artist. She also runs Odyssey.
Don't know how long i'll remain interested, the wind could change. The
possibilities afforded by the scripting, the potential of things
which could be built, and the existence of friendly people, are
keeping my interest, but the scripting and building (AFAICT) is
limited as it is, meaning some things are only possible if you have
land to set them down on.
It's weird running into hostility like that; I don't understand it. I
stay away from stuff like that; Odyssey's always welcoming as far as
I know - if it wasn't, I'd leave.
Most places ban all weapons, guess that was one that doesn't. Being
shot down when I randomly fly into an area with gun turrets and
pirate flags is no skin off my back! I dislike the arrogant avatars I
get the feeling are controlled by a snotty teenager who think that
because they know how to write a few flashy scripts mean they can piss
people off.
but anyway, exploring is interesting. i love the fact that you don't
really need your avatar to explore, that you can just point and
click and drag your camera around corners through windows and into
houses, that ban lines can't stop you from doing this, that the
security systems although they can teleport your avatar, they can't
teleport your camera. that you can touch things with needing your
avatar anywhere near, that some of the touchy-orb things can be
(ab?)used as teleport devices (ie when you sit on them, or 'ride' on
them etc) to get you in somewhere where you'd otherwise not have access
to. that's quite good fun.
james
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi James, once things are settled down vis-a-vis my father and the
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm
not
Yes of course, whenever you are ready. Sorry about your father and
the flooding. BTW I enjoyed watching/listening to your pain.mp4.
flood, I could meet you in Second Life, which would be great. I'm
not sure what you saw - they might have been bots of some sort.
Most of
I recognized one or two of the names shown in the mini-map as being
people known for virtual performance art within Second Life, ie Fau
Ferdinand.
the time these artspaces _are_ empty; I go 'in' to do my work or
sometimes to see a performance and then log out. But there is
still a lot of building/art going on. It's just not so much of a
social space.
Overall, second life is an interesting space to explore. I've been
teleporting around the map from place to place seeing what I can
find.
At times it can seem like all there is in there is sex and fashion
and more sex. A bit like the internet but more so.Setting the
access rating to pg/mature/adult doesn't help there, but who wants
to miss out ;-)
In an attempt to find interesting places I type terms into the
search and teleport to those I like the sound of. I had great
expectations of a place called Surreal, but it was a very tranquil
place, with a group of peaceful seeming people fishing and playing
board games. The lack of any surreal qualities to the place was
disappointing, but, on the other hand, it was non-threatening and
didn't feel unwelcome.However, the neighbours of surreal defended
their property with gun turrets and a pirate flag and shot at me
when I flew in there before being given a ten second warning to get
out and, with barely a second passed, was teleported back to my
home (which doesn't exist anymore).
Another place, I was exploring, an occupant asked what I was doing
there and how I found it. I told them to google Aphex Twin (the
place was called Aphexx). Then I was informed it was very private
and that I should leave. Ok.
From looking at land ownership though I can kinda understand why
some people take it so seriously, and even why some locations don't
welcome 'cartoon' avatars ('mature' avatars are welcome).
In the first few days I couldn't for the life of me understand why
most people seem to view SL as an opportunity to fit in rather than
as an opportunity to
James.
- Alan
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011, James Morris wrote:
On Sun, 4
[NetBehaviour] FRICTION RESEARCH ISSUE #4 ESSAY: BERGSON'S S P I R I T: HENRI BERGSON'S UNDERSTANDING OF TIME, MEMORY, MATTER, AND THE MIND by Curt Cloninger
RECLAIM THE MIND, FRICTION RESEARCH ISSUE #4 BERGSON'S S P I R I T HENRI BERGSON'S UNDERSTANDING OF TIME, MEMORY, MATTER, AND THE MIND by Curt Cloniger Link: http://nictoglobe.com/new/query10.html?d=rtmfr42011f=cloninger_on_bergson Reclaim the Mind, Friction Research Issue #4: Bergson's S P I R I T by Curt Cloninger Henri Bergson's understanding of time, memory, matter, and the mind have gone in and out of academic favor, largely depending on the latest discoveries in neuroscience. But to read Bergson as a kind of amateur Victorian neuroscientist, crippled by the science and technology of his time, is to miss the potential revolutionary thought of Bergson's philosophy. Curt Cloninger is an artist, writer, and Assistant Professor of New Media at the University of North Carolina Asheville (US). His art undermines language as a system of meaning in order to reveal it as an embodied force in the world. His artwork has been featured in the New York Times and at festivals and galleries from Korea to Brazil. He is the author of seven books and numerous articles which have been published in over ten languages. His writing has appeared in Intelligent Agent, Mute, Paste, Tekka, Rhizome Digest, A List Apart, and on ABC World News. Cloninger maintains lab404.com, playdamage.org, deepyoung.org, and lab404.tumblr.com in order to facilitate a more lively remote dialogue with the Sundry Contagions of Wonder. ::: Enjoy ::: http://nictoglobe.com/new/query10.html?d=rtmfr42011f=cloninger_on_bergson -- Andreas Maria Jacobs - Editor A Few of us were left w: http://nictoglobe.com (publication) w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl (net-art) w: http://nictoglobe.com/new/agam (artworks) w: http://nictoglobe.com/frictionresearch (research) e: aj...@xs4all.nl e: a.andr...@nictoglobe.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Second Life - The White Sliced Bread Theory
It seems that every day I hear about someone else closing their sim and leaving Second Life. Sometimes they are sims I’ve known and loved for quite a while, or artists and galleries that have made significant contributions to the virtual world art scene. http://juanitadeharo.blogspot.com/2011/06/second-life-white-sliced-bread-theory.html -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Second Life - The White Sliced Bread Theory
Nice, her reflexions about identity reminded me on an article I wrote a while ago http://socyberty.com/issues/troubled-gender-in-a-virtual-world/ Ana On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:26 AM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: It seems that every day I hear about someone else closing their sim and leaving Second Life. Sometimes they are sims I’ve known and loved for quite a while, or artists and galleries that have made significant contributions to the virtual world art scene. http://juanitadeharo.blogspot.com/2011/06/second-life-white-sliced-bread-theory.html -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15852 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/gender-issues/ http://www.scoop.it/t/literary-exiles/ http://www.scoop.it/t/museums-and-ethics/ http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/ mobil/cell +4670-3213370 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
Hi Marc, What I found strange, is that I have met you personally and know that the picture painted of you at the time is completely different... Yes of course, people had prejudice about me, but I just wanted to discuss the situation and give my own angle of view. But since my views differed alot from the majority I was labeled as provocateur or propagandist. Was insulted, kicked. I felt bad at that time and I am glad you think I am different from the picture they have painted about me. Actually they were propagandists and didn't want to let anybody talk different. Some have asked why is it being discussed now - as in the NN thing? NN was one of few people on all lists that supported me and my views. In some situations I also supported her, although I don't know her personally. I feel she is sincere, wise, truth loving and not brainwashed as majority on lists. I am glad you iniciated the discussion on NN because I appreciate her activism very much. I am not sure how to answer this, other than, it was part of my own networked history also and it is one of those moments in time that younger generations should observe and then consider themselves, on their own terms - reflection is an important thing... Yes this is now history, but the questions still remain. The question is who will write the final version of the history. I hope not Lovink, Broekman... Best, Andrej ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
