Re: Google and #spf

[Rob Kendrick]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:27:59PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Sure makes one wish for that "Javasccript on/off" button on the Netsurf 
> button bar that we've oft wished for! 

Please remember that there is no RISC OS front end maintainer for
NetSurf anymore - nobody is working on the RISC OS front end beyond
making it build with core changes.  If anyone wants to volunteer for
this please step forward!  Some people have expressed interest in the
past but have either vanished or discovered they did not have the spare
time they thought.

B.

Re: Google and #spf

[Tim Hill]

In article <57f8148b3bd...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave 
wrote:
> In article <5e2d0df857@6.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
>  wrote: [Snippy]

> > Have never found a way of programming Keystroke to do this.  If
> > anyone has succeeded, please export the relevant Keystroke Selection
> > file & share it.

> Must confess I've tried with Keystroke a lot of times but never
> succeeded.

The only way to keep the JS setting on screen as a button is to 
1. open choices
2. open content
3. minimise/put configuration on the iconbar
4. toggle JavaScript 
5. click Set with Adjust
6. goto 4

-- 

Tim Hill
Webmaster, www.timil.com

websites : php : RISC OS

Re: Google and #spf

[Brian Howlett]

On 23 Sep, Brian Howlett wrote:

> Titanium here, JS enabled - works but vv slow with Netsurf 4851 and the
> previous version I had installed, 4845.

Actually, I may have to take that back - although it certainly worked in 
4845, it eventually had a problem in 4851 - it just prints the JS to the 
NS window, along with the text normally displayed on the page.

Neither version displays the Google Doodle wither, just a pink rectangle 
which is a .png file.
-- 
Brian Howlett

"There ain't half been some clever bastards"
 - the late Ian Dury

Re: Google and #spf

[Brian Howlett]

On 23 Sep, Dave wrote:

> I can confirm...
> #4850 with Javascript enabled, google.co.uk doesn't work.

> With Javascript disabled, google does work okay.

> VRPC-DL running RISC OS 6.20

Titanium here, JS enabled - works but vv slow with Netsurf 4851 and the 
previous version I had installed, 4845.
-- 
Brian Howlett
--
This place would be a paradise tomorrow, if every department had a
supervisor with a sub-machine gun.

Re: Google and #spf

[Dave]

In article <5e2d0df857@6.abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
[Snippy]

> Have never found a way of programming Keystroke to do this.  If anyone
> has succeeded, please export the relevant Keystroke Selection file &
> share it.

Must confess I've tried with Keystroke a lot of times but never succeeded.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Google and #spf

[Jim Nagel]

Dave Sine Surnomine wrote on 23 Sep:
> #4850 with Javascript enabled, google.co.uk doesn't work.
> With Javascript disabled, google does work okay.

You're right!

Sure makes one wish for that "Javasccript on/off" button on the Netsurf 
button bar that we've oft wished for!  (Ancient Fresco had one, could 
pinch the icon from Fresco.)  So much handier than repetitititive trips to 
iconbar Choices > Content > Disable Javascript > Set.

Have never found a way of programming Keystroke to do this.  If anyone has 
succeeded, please export the relevant Keystroke Selection file & share it.

Or a "switch" that could be added to an URL file to set Javascript off, 
when relevant to that particular URL, as in this case.


And thanks for looking into the problem, Daniel.

-- 
Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk

Re: Google and #spf

[Dave]

In article ,
   David Pitt  wrote:
> In message <20190923044637.GK1816@somnambulist.local>
>   Daniel Silverstone  wrote:

> > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:27:52 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> >> For the past few days, telling Netsurf to go to http://google.co.uk
> >> results in an endless loop and no joy.  What's this all about?
> >> 
> >> The Netsurf URL bar changes from what I typed to this:
> >>  http://www.google.co.uk/#spf=1569197185001
> >> The 13-digit number keeps changing, and the hourglass keeps running.
> >> With or without Javascript enabled.

> > Without JS enabled I'm not sure.

> [snip]

> #4850 is OK here with Javascript disabled as checked on a Titanium,  
> Raspberry Pi Mk1, and RPCEmu.

> The recent 3.9 release is OK with Javascript enabled.

I can confirm...
#4850 with Javascript enabled, google.co.uk doesn't work.

With Javascript disabled, google does work okay.

VRPC-DL running RISC OS 6.20

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Google and #spf

[David Pitt]

In message <20190923044637.GK1816@somnambulist.local>
  Daniel Silverstone  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:27:52 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
>> For the past few days, telling Netsurf to go to http://google.co.uk
>> results in an endless loop and no joy.  What's this all about?
>> 
>> The Netsurf URL bar changes from what I typed to this:
>>  http://www.google.co.uk/#spf=1569197185001
>> The 13-digit number keeps changing, and the hourglass keeps running.
>> With or without Javascript enabled.

> Without JS enabled I'm not sure.

[snip]

#4850 is OK here with Javascript disabled as checked on a Titanium,  
Raspberry Pi Mk1, and RPCEmu.

The recent 3.9 release is OK with Javascript enabled.
-- 
David Pitt
Titanium

Re: Google and #spf

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:27:52 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> For the past few days, telling Netsurf to go to http://google.co.uk 
> results in an endless loop and no joy.  What's this all about?
> 
> The Netsurf URL bar changes from what I typed to this:
>  http://www.google.co.uk/#spf=1569197185001
> The 13-digit number keeps changing, and the hourglass keeps running.
> With or without Javascript enabled.

Without JS enabled I'm not sure.  With JS enabled it's a performance issue.
I cannot replicate it on my laptop because it's so much faster than any RISC OS
system, but I believe it'll be due to some JS trying to work stuff out and
failing because it's too slow.  I will attempt to root out the problem
but it's quite possible I won't be able to for a week or more.  We're aware
of it as https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2702

D.

-- 
Daniel Silverstone   http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69

Re: Google crash

[Geoffrey Baxendale]

In message <20151109232325.gd5...@kyllikki.org>
  Vincent Sanders  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 03:31:58PM +, David Pitt wrote:
> > Geoffrey Baxendale, on 9 Nov, wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I find that clicking in the search box on Google UK with JS enabled
> > > crashes Netsurf CI 3055. It's OK with JS off. (RISC OS 6.2 on Kinetic)
> > >
> > > Has anyone else seen this or is it just me?
> >
> > Same here on two instances of OS4.39 VRPC on Windows 7, but not on my
> > Raspberry Pi OS5.23 (09-Nov-15) where it is OK.
> >
> > It is already on the bug tracker.
> >
> > http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2385
>
> I think i fixed this, can people try and let me know?
>
Thanks Vincent, all OK with #3056.
> >
> > --
> > David Pitt
> >
> >
>

TTFN
-- 
Geoff.
Using Acorn StrongARM Kinetic RiscPC.
Isn't that a pip?

Re: Google crash

[David Pitt]

Geoffrey Baxendale, on 9 Nov, wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I find that clicking in the search box on Google UK with JS enabled
> crashes Netsurf CI 3055. It's OK with JS off. (RISC OS 6.2 on Kinetic)
> 
> Has anyone else seen this or is it just me?

Same here on two instances of OS4.39 VRPC on Windows 7, but not on my
Raspberry Pi OS5.23 (09-Nov-15) where it is OK.

It is already on the bug tracker.

http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2385

-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google crash

[Peter Young]

On 10 Nov 2015  "Chris Young" 
 wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:23:25 +, Vincent Sanders wrote:

>> I think i fixed this, can people try and let me know?

> Working for me now, thanks Vince.

Confirmed here too. Many thanks.

Best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc Os) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Google crash

[David Pitt]

Vincent Sanders, on 9 Nov, wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 03:31:58PM +, David Pitt wrote:
> > Geoffrey Baxendale, on 9 Nov, wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I find that clicking in the search box on Google UK with JS enabled
> > > crashes Netsurf CI 3055. It's OK with JS off. (RISC OS 6.2 on Kinetic)
> > > 
> > > Has anyone else seen this or is it just me?
> > 
> > Same here on two instances of OS4.39 VRPC on Windows 7, but not on my
> > Raspberry Pi OS5.23 (09-Nov-15) where it is OK.
> > 
> > It is already on the bug tracker.
> > 
> > http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2385
> 
> I think i fixed this, can people try and let me know?

It is fixed here, many thanks.
-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google crash

[Geoffrey Baxendale]

In message 
  David Pitt  wrote:

> Geoffrey Baxendale, on 9 Nov, wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I find that clicking in the search box on Google UK with JS enabled
> > crashes Netsurf CI 3055. It's OK with JS off. (RISC OS 6.2 on Kinetic)
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this or is it just me?
>
> Same here on two instances of OS4.39 VRPC on Windows 7, but not on my
> Raspberry Pi OS5.23 (09-Nov-15) where it is OK.
>
> It is already on the bug tracker.
>
> http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2385
>
Thanks David.

TTFN
-- 
Geoff.
Using Acorn StrongARM Kinetic RiscPC.
Oxymoron of the day: "Working Holiday"

Re: Google crash

[Vincent Sanders]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 03:31:58PM +, David Pitt wrote:
> Geoffrey Baxendale, on 9 Nov, wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I find that clicking in the search box on Google UK with JS enabled
> > crashes Netsurf CI 3055. It's OK with JS off. (RISC OS 6.2 on Kinetic)
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this or is it just me?
> 
> Same here on two instances of OS4.39 VRPC on Windows 7, but not on my
> Raspberry Pi OS5.23 (09-Nov-15) where it is OK.
> 
> It is already on the bug tracker.
> 
> http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2385

I think i fixed this, can people try and let me know?

> 
> -- 
> David Pitt
> 
> 

-- 
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/

Re: Google crash

[Chris Young]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:23:25 +, Vincent Sanders wrote:

> I think i fixed this, can people try and let me know?

Working for me now, thanks Vince.

Chris

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c34a2274joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

  I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search
  works normally. Anyone able to confirm?

 Yes, it's fine again!

 Perhaps my feedback was noted! Message-ID:
 54c0f9056fjoh...@ukgateway.net

  I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page
  to send this.  I hope others will follow.

Have done that but mainly thanking them for mending their broken code.

If it goes belly-up again we can always use your rather clever
Javascript control utility.

Richard

Re: Google

[Harriet Bazley]

On 13 May 2015 as I do recall,
  Richard Ashbery  wrote:

 In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Excellent - I'm amazed.  I was about to report a total lack of feedback via
the Twitter route, but perhaps they actually took some notice of the various
reports after all!


-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do

Re: Google

[george greenfield]

In message 54c34dbdb8brian.jord...@btinternet.com
  Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

 In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
 In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
 joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
  In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
 r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:
 
   I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript
   on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't
   work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.
 
 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?
 
 Seems to be true here as well.
 
Same here (NS 3.4 Dev CI #2735).

-- 
George

Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
   Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Yes, it's fine again!

Perhaps my feedback was noted! Message-ID: 54c0f9056fjoh...@ukgateway.net

 I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
 this.  I hope others will follow.

John

-- 
| John Williams 
| joh...@ukgateway.net

 Names for Soul Band:- Soul Rites *

Re: Google

[Brian Jordan]

In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
   Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
 In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
 joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
  In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
 r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

   I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript
   on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't
   work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Seems to be true here as well.

-- 
_

Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

  I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript
  on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't
  work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Richard

Re: Google

[Jim Nagel]

Richard Porter  wrote on 8 May:
 I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off
 button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if
 it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

I fourth the motion.

-- 
Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk

Re: Google

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 16:05:47 +0100, Chris Newman wrote:
 In article 6fb323c254@abbeypress.net,
Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:
  Richard Porter  wrote on 8 May:
   I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off
   button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if
   it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.
  I fourth the motion.
 I fifth, sixth, seventh nth the motion.

I look forward to patches provided byone of Richard, Jim or Chris; or sponsored
by them in some manner.

D.

(P.S. I think this is a fairly dodgy approach, but if it's what the users want
then the users get to supply the fix)

-- 
Daniel Silverstone   http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69

Re: Google

[Roger Darlington]

On 9 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
 In article 3145b6c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 8 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
 Another way of using Google is, for example

 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acacia

 Just double click on the link. Works from Pluto, StronEd and anything else
 which will launch a URL.

 But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-(
 It just oscillates the same :-(

 Once on the search, you can delete the search term and type in another.
 So it seems to be only from the first page. Weird!


 Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times.

 The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is


 !-- Search Google --
 PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom
 TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0
 td
 INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value=
 INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search
 brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW
 /td/tr/TABLE
 /FORM
 !-- Search Google --

 Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it

Excellent Richard :-))

Now I'm back in business, using a 3-year old Netsurf :-)



-- 

Cheers
Roger
If windfarms on hills are fine then put some on The South Downs too.

Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 60f3f4c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 I found a writable icon and wrote what I know about their broken code 
 in it (which is nothing at all apart from what someone said on here).

I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
this.  I hope others will follow.

quote
I am sending this using a browser with Javascript turned on.  If I attempt
this with Javascript turned off, Google now goes into a recursive loop.

This change occurred less than a week ago.

A NetSurf browser developer has commented:

Google have changed the non-javascript portion of their reply (the
noscript entry) to contain completely broken html that simply causes the
browser to refresh and fail to work usefully.

We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
would be good!

Thus I (and I hope others will follow) am drawing this to your attention.
endquote

I hope that this helps,

John

-- 
| John Williams 
| joh...@ukgateway.net

 Names for Soul Band:- Soul Beneficiary *

Re: Google

[Chris Dewhurst]

On 9 May 2015 Harriet Bazley  [mailto: 
li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk] wrote:


 The only contact details I could find was tweeting @google - looks as if
 they do respond to individual mentions on Twitter, though it mostly seems to
 be people complaining about disappearing Google+ accounts.

 Perhaps we could start a Twitterstorm? :-)

I've tweeted @google too telling them they need to fix it.

Like Tim Hill I make use of duckduckgo.com. And there is

https://uk.search.yahoo.com

which works with Netsurf.

Google's loss!


-- 
Chris

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c0f71aa9li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists)

  But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same
  :-(

 Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times.

 The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant
 bit is


 !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET
 action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF
 cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40
 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google
 Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked
 Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google --

 Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it

I use an Image search - can it be modified to show these rather than
the default text search or have I missed the whole point?

Can some clever programmer offer to incorporate an icon in the NetSurf
main window to disable Javascript instead of going through Choices? I
think this has already been suggested - it sounded like a good idea?

Richard

Re: Google

[Roger Darlington]

On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase  wrote:
 On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

 One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead.

But that doesn't work on the fastest Netsurf that I use (r12638) which 
is far smoother at scrolling long pages with images on, and is much 
faster at loading the pages in the first place than any of the 
Netsurfs released in the last 2 or 3 years. I know because I keep 
downloading new ones, and they all exhibit the problems just mentioned 
(and acknowledged by Netsurf developers themselves, because they 
altered the code to use some other method of displaying pages that 
works far slower)

It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations'

 It claims to:
 - be the world's most private search engine,
 - use Google in the background on your behalf anyway, and
 - not to record the user's IP address.

 We don't have to wait for Google to mend its ways.



-- 

Cheers
Roger
The permanent way turned out not to be so permanent after all ~

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 9 May 2015 Harriet Bazley  wrote:

 The only contact details I could find was tweeting @google - looks as if
 they do respond to individual mentions on Twitter, though it mostly seems to
 be people complaining about disappearing Google+ accounts.

I got this link from a device alert after signing in on my Mac (I 
delete all cookies, cache, etc on quitting Firefox):

https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/device_alert_feedback?hl=en.
I gave them some 'feedback' but I haven't heard any more.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 9 May 2015 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:


 The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is


 !-- Search Google --
 PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom
 TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0
 td
 INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value=
 INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search
 brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW
 /td/tr/TABLE
 /FORM
 !-- Search Google --

 Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it

Why only one radio button? The script I use to search a specific site 
is:

td!-- SiteSearch Google --
form method=get action=http://www.google.com/search;
input type=hidden name=ie value=iso-8859-1
input type=hidden name=oe value=iso-8859-1
input type=hidden name=domains value=minimarcos.org.uk
input type=hidden name=sitesearch value=www.minimarcos.org.uk
input type=text name=q size=20 maxlength=255 value=
input type=submit name=btnG value=Search
/font/form

I guess the important difference is going to /custom instead of 
/search. On my local home page I have two radio buttons to search 
either www or the specified site.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Bernard Boase]

On 8 May, b.bo...@bcs.org typed:

 One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead.

On 9 May, r...@minijem.plus.com typed:

 Also have you tried clicking Advanced? I think you can supply a
 domain to search but it becomes unusable on NetSurf.

Agreed.

Even where startpage.com works to start your own searches, sites such 
as ROOL's which have a search function that uses Google cannot then 
deliver results at present via Netsurf when Disable Javascript is 
ticked.

To make it easier to switch Javascript, you can leave the Nesurf 
Configuration Content dialogue open on the desktop and use Adjust to 
Set it (or the Configuration window open and iconised for quick 
retrieval of its Content icon), until we get a button in the button 
bar.

And thank you Richard Torrens for the workaround.

-- 
Bernard

Re: Google

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article 3145b6c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 8 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
  Another way of using Google is, for example

  http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acacia

  Just double click on the link. Works from Pluto, StronEd and anything else
  which will launch a URL.

 But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-(
 It just oscillates the same :-(

  Once on the search, you can delete the search term and type in another.
  So it seems to be only from the first page. Weird!


Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times.

The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is


!-- Search Google --
PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom
TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0
td
INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value=
INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search
brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW
/td/tr/TABLE
/FORM
!-- Search Google --

Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 9 May 2015 Chris Dewhurst  wrote:

 Like Tim Hill I make use of duckduckgo.com. And there is

 https://uk.search.yahoo.com

 which works with Netsurf.

The problem I find with Yahoo! is that I can't download images. That 
used to be no problem with Google. Also you have to be very careful to 
make sure you're on the right link and not some Yahoo! link they want 
you to follow.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Alan Calder]

In article d57cefc054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase  wrote:
  On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed:

  Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
  Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

  One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead.

[Snip]

 It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations'
I've tried it a few times and I don't get that error message.  When does it
appear for you - at the start of a search or at some other point?
Using NS 3.2 (26 August 2014)

Alan

[Snip]

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

Re: Google

[Roger Darlington]

On 8 May 2015, Frank de Bruijn  wrote:
 In article 54c08f864b...@timil.com,
Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
 In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists)
 li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:
 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

 If you mean Google Search, in its stead I've been using DuckDuckGo with
 RISC OS for some time.

 https://duckduckgo.com/html/

 Alternatively, if you prefer Google's search results, try
 https://startpage.com/

Which promptly gives: error setting certificate setting verify 
locations [at least on older Netserfs [which happen to work far 
faster, which is why I still use an old version]...


 This uses Google but has its own frontend, which seems to work fine
 whether JavaScript is on or not.

 Regards,
 Frank



-- 

Cheers
Roger
If I were you I'd be me

Re: Google

[Tony Moore]

On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

[snip]

 Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here?  I'm on 3.4 (Dev
 CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google.

Try tuning off JavaScript.

Tony

Re: Google

[Alan Calder]

In article 20150508125407.ga2...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:26:32PM +0100, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
  Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
  
  Has anyone any cures or suggestions?
  

[Snip]

 We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
 unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
 would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact. This
 affects all non javascript browser (or those with it turned off) and
 cannot be worked around.

Strangely, though, it continues to work just fine with Browse, Fresco,
Oregano and Oregano 2!  That's 'just fine' in that Google search works as
expected - and very quickly in Browse, Oregano and Fresco - and not 'just
fine' in the appearance of the fetched pages.

Given that three of the above browsers make no attempt at any form of JS it
puzzles me why it is that NetSurf (v3.2 no JS) just goes into a loop when
Google is invoked.

Alan



[Snip]

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

Re: Google

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article 20150508125407.ga2...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 It has been reported in the tracker as bug number 2314. Google have
 changed the non javascript portion of their reply (the noscript entry)
 to comtain completely broken html that simply causes the browser to
 refresh and fail to work usefully.

 We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
 unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
 would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact. This
 affects all non javascript browser (or those with it turned off) and
 cannot be worked around.

I suspected as much ...

Writing a browser is a somewhat Herculean task and keeping it operating
with broken www sites is a never ending task.

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: Google

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article 54c08ebfb1joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 Or one of those record your button presses and menu items programs we
 used to  have in the olden days.

It's called KeyStroke, Alisdair Jørgensen, originally sold by Quantum
software, now PD. It could indeed record such a train of button presses on
menu items. I would Google a link for you but...

KeyStroke also comes with various add-ons. Probably a button bar.

I have a Search page on my own www site: I have just tried it and that
call to Google works.
www.torrens.org.uk/search.html



 --  Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk
for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!

Re: Google

[Tim Hill]

In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists)
li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:
 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

If you mean Google Search, in its stead I've been using DuckDuckGo with
RISC OS for some time.

https://duckduckgo.com/html/

-- 

www.timil.com

web sites * multimedia * training

Re: Google

[Andrew Pinder]

In message 20150508125407.ga2...@kyllikki.org
 on 8 May 2015 Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:26:32PM +0100, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 
 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?
 

 It has been reported in the tracker as bug number 2314. Google have
 changed the non javascript portion of their reply (the noscript entry)
 to comtain completely broken html that simply causes the browser to
 refresh and fail to work usefully.

 We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
 unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
 would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact. This
 affects all non javascript browser (or those with it turned off) and
 cannot be worked around.

Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here?  I'm on 3.4 (Dev 
CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google.


Regards

Andrew
-- 
Andrew Pinder

Re: Google

[Tony Moore]

On 8 May 2015, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk
wrote:

[snip]

 So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all
 regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the
 search page entirely.

How is it possible to transfer an address, from the Google search page,
to the NetSurf hotlist, without actually visiting the site?

Tony

Re: Google

[george greenfield]

In message 3d8ea4c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk
  Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 On 8 May 2015, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk
 wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
 So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all
 regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the
 search page entirely.
 
 How is it possible to transfer an address, from the Google search page,
 to the NetSurf hotlist, without actually visiting the site?
 
 Tony
 
It's not possible. The procedure that seems to work here is:

1. Enable JS in Choices.
2. Open Google search page, enter desired site into Search field as 
usual.
3. Desired site loads - click Menu, select 'Utilities-Hotlist-Add to 
hotlist' and close Google search page.
4. Disable JS in Choices.
5. Click Adjust over NetSurf icon to open Hotlist, select desired 
site.

Once a number of sites have been hotlisted they can be opened without 
requiring JS. And no, I don't understand how this works either


-- 
George

Re: Google

[george greenfield]

In message f28197c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk
  Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
 Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here?  I'm on 3.4 (Dev
 CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google.
 
 Try tuning off JavaScript.
 
 Tony

With JS off, accessing the Google search page produces the problematic 
'endless reloading' behaviour previously described; however, clicking 
on a previously hotlisted item works fine, even with JS off. So a 
temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all 
regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the 
search page entirely.

[NetSurf 3.4 (Dev CI #2735)]
-- 
George

Re: Google

[Andrew Pinder]

In message f28197c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk
 on 8 May 2015 Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 [snip]

 Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here?  I'm on 3.4 (Dev
 CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google.

 Try tuning off JavaScript.

Sorry, I wasnt paying enough attention to spot that aspect!


Regards

Andrew
-- 
Andrew Pinder

Re: Google

[Vincent Sanders]

On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:26:32PM +0100, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 
 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?
 

It has been reported in the tracker as bug number 2314. Google have
changed the non javascript portion of their reply (the noscript entry)
to comtain completely broken html that simply causes the browser to
refresh and fail to work usefully.

We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact. This
affects all non javascript browser (or those with it turned off) and
cannot be worked around.


 -- 
 Richard Torrens.
 http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, 
 cats
 and more!
 
 

-- 
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/

Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk,
   Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

It still works if you put JS on - but, of course, that bu**ers up StreetMap.

Now more than ever we need that magic JS ON/JS OFF button people have been
asking for for yonks.

Perhaps if there was a simple handle to make NetSurf rescan its choices
(which there may well be!), a third party add-on just for RISC OS would be
possible by changing the choices file on the fly.

Or one of those record your button presses and menu items programs we
used to  have in the olden days.

Anyway, it's a pain having to do Menu, Choices, Content, Radio icon every
time you want to switch, and, as it's RISC OS-only problem, it's unlikely
to be fixed by the developers.

So, some more lateral thinking called for!

John

-- 
| John Williams 
| joh...@ukgateway.net

 Names for Soul Band:- Solar Fire *

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 8 May 2015 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off 
button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if 
it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Bernard Boase]

On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead.

It claims to:
- be the world's most private search engine,
- use Google in the background on your behalf anyway, and
- not to record the user's IP address.

We don't have to wait for Google to mend its ways.

-- 
Bernard

Re: Google

[Tim Hill]

In article 9118c3c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

[Snip]

 I use Google to provide a search facility on my own web site. Which of 
 any of the other search engines or front ends allow you to create a 
 form which specifies a particular site?

https://duckduckgo.com/search_box

-- 

www.timil.com

web sites * multimedia * training

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 8 May 2015 Frank de Bruijn  wrote:

 In article 54c08f864b...@timil.com,
Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
 In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists)
 li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:
 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

 If you mean Google Search, in its stead I've been using DuckDuckGo with
 RISC OS for some time.

 https://duckduckgo.com/html/

 Alternatively, if you prefer Google's search results, try
 https://startpage.com/

 This uses Google but has its own frontend, which seems to work fine
 whether JavaScript is on or not.

I use Google to provide a search facility on my own web site. Which of 
any of the other search engines or front ends allow you to create a 
form which specifies a particular site?

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Richard Porter]

On 8 May 2015 Bernard Boase  wrote:

 On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

 One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead.

 It claims to:
 - be the world's most private search engine,
 - use Google in the background on your behalf anyway, and
 - not to record the user's IP address.

 We don't have to wait for Google to mend its ways.

But startpage gives you Google results. The trouble with Google is 
that it now redirects search results via itself so you either have to 
wait while it responds or you have to dig out the embedded url or type 
it in manually. Actually it looks as though sp does extract the 
embedded url for results but it takes a while to do it.

Also have you tried clicking Advanced? I think you can supply a 
domain to search but it becomes unusable on NetSurf.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google

[Harriet Bazley]

On 8 May 2015 as I do recall,
  Vincent Sanders  wrote:

 On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:26:32PM +0100, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
  Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.
 
  Has anyone any cures or suggestions?
 

 It has been reported in the tracker as bug number 2314. Google have
 changed the non javascript portion of their reply (the noscript entry)
 to comtain completely broken html that simply causes the browser to
 refresh and fail to work usefully.

 We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
 unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
 would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact.

The only contact details I could find was tweeting @google - looks as if
they do respond to individual mentions on Twitter, though it mostly seems to
be people complaining about disappearing Google+ accounts.

Perhaps we could start a Twitterstorm? :-)

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground... and missing.

Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer

[Roger Darlington]

On 31 Mar 2015, Harriet Bazley  wrote:
 On 31 Mar 2015 as I do recall,
   Roger Darlington  wrote:

 On 18 Feb 2015, Harriet Bazley  wrote:

 [snip]

 For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
 The intended display is hidden as

 .viewport div img {display:none;}
 /stylediv style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-
 bottom:4px
 style type=text/css.html_page_image {
 background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssC
 ie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFW
 AAUiHFXutw);
 width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style

 Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
 is


 I am puzzled by this Hilary.

 Firefox on Windows7 has no such trouble displaying google book pages
 without any rigmarole about finding some other link hidden deep inside
 it and clicking on that instead.

 Maybe Firefox ingnores display:none and background display and instead
 gets straight on with the proper business of displaying it?

 Much more likely that it is Firefox that supports the complicated
 obfuscation they are using to make the content of the book invisible to
 search engines/impossible to save out of Windows browsers (or whatever the
 purpose of this CSS may be), and Netsurf that ignores it.

Let's hope that Netsurf can find a fludge fix for this problem soon, 
if they can't do a proper fix quickly.



-- 

Cheers
Roger
A proton is for life, not just for Christmas

Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer

[Roger Darlington]

On 18 Feb 2015, Harriet Bazley  wrote:
 On 17 Feb 2015 as I do recall,
   Roger Darlington  wrote:


 I suppose someone knows that Google Books does not show the pages any
 longer in any version of Netsurf I have. One 2 years old, NS 3.2, and
 a test build from today.

 It used to work fine, but Google must have put some spanners in their
 works.

 I think it's some kind of copy protection. The links to the images are still
 *there* in the source code, but specified as 'background'.   The thing to
 do is to search for the string .viewport.

 For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
 The intended display is hidden as

 .viewport div img {display:none;}
 /stylediv style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-
 bottom:4px
 style type=text/css.html_page_image {
 background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssC
 ie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFW
 AAUiHFXutw);
 width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style

 Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
 is


I am puzzled by this Hilary.

Firefox on Windows7 has no such trouble displaying google book pages 
without any rigmarole about finding some other link hidden deep inside 
it and clicking on that instead.

Maybe Firefox ingnores display:none and background display and instead 
gets straight on with the proper business of displaying it?



-- 

Cheers
Roger
The more information you have, the more likely it is to be wrong

Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer

[Harriet Bazley]

On 31 Mar 2015 as I do recall,
  Roger Darlington  wrote:

 On 18 Feb 2015, Harriet Bazley  wrote:

[snip]

  For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
  The intended display is hidden as

  .viewport div img {display:none;}
  /stylediv style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-
  bottom:4px
  style type=text/css.html_page_image {
  background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssC
  ie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFW
  AAUiHFXutw);
  width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style

  Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
  is


 I am puzzled by this Hilary.

 Firefox on Windows7 has no such trouble displaying google book pages
 without any rigmarole about finding some other link hidden deep inside
 it and clicking on that instead.

 Maybe Firefox ingnores display:none and background display and instead
 gets straight on with the proper business of displaying it?

Much more likely that it is Firefox that supports the complicated
obfuscation they are using to make the content of the book invisible to
search engines/impossible to save out of Windows browsers (or whatever the
purpose of this CSS may be), and Netsurf that ignores it.

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

We are the knights who say NI!

Re: Google Books hasn't worked for months now on NS

[lists]

In article afe056ab54.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 You wouldn't have thought Google would have changed the code so that 
 it doesn't actually do anything on Netsurf now - didn't they donate 
 some money to Netsurf once? Perhaps its time for them to now donate 
 some code for it that enables it to read Google Book pages :-)

You'll probably find the only way they will donate something will be if
they are allowed access to it to track peoples behaviour. Note the recent
revelation that they hacked into Safari. One reason I don't use Chrome.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer

[Harriet Bazley]

On 17 Feb 2015 as I do recall,
  Roger Darlington  wrote:


 I suppose someone knows that Google Books does not show the pages any
 longer in any version of Netsurf I have. One 2 years old, NS 3.2, and
 a test build from today.

 It used to work fine, but Google must have put some spanners in their
 works.

I think it's some kind of copy protection. The links to the images are still
*there* in the source code, but specified as 'background'.   The thing to
do is to search for the string .viewport.

For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
The intended display is hidden as

.viewport div img {display:none;}
/stylediv 
style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-bottom:4px
style type=text/css.html_page_image {
background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFWAAUiHFXutw;);
width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style

Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
is
-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

If your feet smell and your nose runs - you're built upside down.

Re: Google hanging

[David Pitt]

David Pitt, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 Alan Calder, on 2 Jun, wrote:
 
  In article mpro.n6k2ho001e3nr033m.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt
  pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
   Cristopher Dewhurst, on 2 Jun, wrote:
  
Hi

Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21)
Maybe a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in
NS between 1932 and 1940?
  
   1940 still hangs here.
  
  Don't know about all these historical dates but I'm having no problems
  with Google using NS v3.1 on SA RPC OS 4.39
 
 Back to the future in the not too distant then!
 
 It must be a knack but I have just seen NetSurf 3.1 hang on both OS5.21 on
 the Pi and on VRPC OS4.39 on Windows 7. NetSurf 2.9 is OK on VRPC OS4.39
 on the Mac.
 
Another date, 1945 and victory.

#1945 looks OK here.

-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google hanging

[John Williams]

In article 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)

I was experiencing it yesterday with 1929/1930, JS disabled. Plusnet.

Thought it was just me!

John

-- 
| John Williams 
| joh...@ukgateway.net

 Names for Soul Band:- The Soul Criterion *

Re: Google hanging

[Graham Pickles]

In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk
  Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
only way to get the results.

Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

(Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)

Yes, I have seen this for a while now. An annoying little trait.
It was suggested that switching off JS might help. It doesn't or at
best only marginally. (Currently Netsurf v1930, JS disabled). My ISP is
demon but I doubt this is the problem.

Regards,

-- 
Graham Pickles
www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. (Saki)

Re: Google hanging

[David Pitt]

Harriet Bazley, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
 rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
 subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
 progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
 Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
 only way to get the results.
 
 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
 
 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
 
A quick test did reproduce this, v1920, Java Script not disabled, adverts
hidden. Plusnet.



-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google hanging

[Peter Young]

On 2 Jun 2014  David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

 Harriet Bazley, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
 rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
 subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
 progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
 Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
 only way to get the results.
 
 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
 
 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
 
 A quick test did reproduce this, v1920, Java Script not disabled, adverts
 hidden. Plusnet.

Has anyone reported this to he bug site? If nobody else does I'll do 
it later today.

Best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc W) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Google hanging

[David Pitt]

Peter Young, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 On 2 Jun 2014  David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 
  Harriet Bazley, on 2 Jun, wrote:
 
   Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
   rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
   subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with
   the progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant
   return. Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems
   to be the only way to get the results.
  
   Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
  
   (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
  
  A quick test did reproduce this, v1920, Java Script not disabled,
  adverts hidden. Plusnet.
 
 Has anyone reported this to he bug site? If nobody else does I'll do it
 later today.

It would be useful if we could capture the stoppage in a log.

Am I right in guessing that the numbers at the start of each log line are
time from start. If so this may, or may not, be relevant.

(62.23) content/llcache.c llcache_clean 2892: discarding stale cacheable
object with no users or pending fetches (0x6599afa0)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=elephanthl=en-GBgbv=1ie=UTF-8prmd=ivnsei=sTyMU9arK6iy0QWU-YCQBgstart=10sa=N
(62.23) content/llcache.c llcache_object_destroy 855: Destroying object
0x6599afa0
(62.23) content/llcache.c llcache_clean 2892: discarding stale cacheable
object with no users or pending fetches (0x659bdd18)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=ISO-8859-1hl=en-GBsource=hpq=elephantbtnG=Google+Searchgbv=1
(62.24) content/llcache.c llcache_object_destroy 855: Destroying object
0x659bdd18
(62.24) content/llcache.c llcache_clean 2999: Size: 416906
(82.24) content/content.c content_destroy 388: content 0x65fbc100
x-ns-css:5
(82.24) content/llcache.c llcache_object_remove_user 321: Removing user
0x65c6ff30 from 0x65c6f8f0
(82.24) content/llcache.c llcache_object_user_destroy 277: Destroyed
user 0x65c6ff30

I will dig a bit more.

-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google hanging

[Richard Porter]

On 2 Jun 2014 Harriet Bazley  wrote:

 Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
 rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
 subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
 progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
 Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
 only way to get the results.

 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

I normally use Yahoo! because I don't like the way Google redirects 
every link through itself. Yahoo! does for some but I can either type 
in the visible URL or extract it if necessary.

With Google alerts it's easy to select and launch the embedded link in 
Messenger Pro so I don't have to go through Google. However I haven't 
noticed any particular problems with it.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2   mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Google hanging

[Graham Pickles]

In message mpro.n6jc1m008jhy802fd.pit...@pittdj.co.uk
  David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

David Pitt, on 2 Jun, wrote:

[snip]

 I will dig a bit more.

Bug 2136 now submitted.


Thanks for submitting the bug. Something I hadn't got round to doing as
I thought it might have been just me that was suffering from this
effect.

Regards,

-- 
Graham Pickles
www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
Everybody hates me because I'm so universally liked. (Peter de Vries)

Re: Google hanging

[Brian Howlett]

On 2 Jun, Richard Porter wrote:

 I haven't noticed any particular problems with it.

Same here - been working fine - currently on #1940 on Iyonix RO 5.20 
with JS on.
-- 
Brian Howlett
-
People who live in glass houses should undress in the dark...

Re: Google hanging

[Cristopher Dewhurst]

Hi

Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21)
Maybe a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in NS 
between 1932 and 1940?

Chris

In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk
  Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
 rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
 subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
 progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
 Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
 only way to get the results.

 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)



-- 
Chris

Re: Google hanging

[David Pitt]

Cristopher Dewhurst, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 Hi
 
 Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21) Maybe
 a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in NS between
 1932 and 1940?

1940 still hangs here.

 
 Chris
 
 In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
 
  Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
  rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
  subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the
  progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return.
  Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the
  only way to get the results.
 
  Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
 
  (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
 
 
 


-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google hanging

[Alan Calder]

In article mpro.n6k2ho001e3nr033m.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt
pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 Cristopher Dewhurst, on 2 Jun, wrote:

  Hi
  
  Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21)
  Maybe a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in NS
  between 1932 and 1940?

 1940 still hangs here.

Don't know about all these historical dates but I'm having no problems with
Google using NS v3.1 on SA RPC OS 4.39

Alan

  
  Chris
  
  In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk Harriet Bazley
  li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
  
   Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
   rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
   subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with
   the progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant
   return. Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems
   to be the only way to get the results.
  
   Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
  
   (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
  
  
 

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

Re: Google hanging

[David Pitt]

Alan Calder, on 2 Jun, wrote:

 In article mpro.n6k2ho001e3nr033m.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt
 pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
  Cristopher Dewhurst, on 2 Jun, wrote:
 
   Hi
   
   Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21)
   Maybe a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in NS
   between 1932 and 1940?
 
  1940 still hangs here.
 
 Don't know about all these historical dates but I'm having no problems
 with Google using NS v3.1 on SA RPC OS 4.39

Back to the future in the not too distant then!

It must be a knack but I have just seen NetSurf 3.1 hang on both OS5.21 on
the Pi and on VRPC OS4.39 on Windows 7. NetSurf 2.9 is OK on VRPC OS4.39 on
the Mac.

 
 Alan
 
   
   Chris
   
   In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk Harriet Bazley
   li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
   
Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not
rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or
subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with
the progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant
return. Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems
to be the only way to get the results.
   
Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?
   
(Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)
   
   
  
 


-- 
David Pitt

Re: Google Images search not working

[Tony Moore]

On 24 Feb 2014, John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 For the past several years I have used NetSurf for finding images on
 the web via Google Images search.

 Google puts up a page of images for the search term. Then a click on
 an image used to bring up a web page with an option to see the impage
 full size. This no longer seems to work with NetSurf.

Clicking on an image now leads to the web-page containing the image. As
you say, the option of displaying the full-size image, without visiting
the host web-page, is no longer available.

 The way that Google presents the image page has changed. It is still
 usable with Chrome on Linux.

... and with Firefox on Windows.

 Can anyone confirm this change and better still suggest how I can
 continue to use NetSurf for image searching?

Netsurf _can_ still be used for image-search, it's just a little more
tedious in having to retrieve the image from its host web-page.

Tony

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[Jess Hampshire]

In message ca7d9fe352.supe...@albenito.eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk
  Allan Bennett alben...@eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

 There is a Tell us how we're doing feedback button - very quick to
 complete, though I don't know how much notice they will take...

I took a screenshot, transferred it to a PC, posted it and submitted 
feedback, highlighting the screenshot.

-- 
Jess

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[Jess Hampshire]

In message ee9d9ee352.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk
  John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

Possibly a good case for dismissing Google plus as an irrelevance.

Facebook can be used with NS

-- 
Jess

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Jess Hampshire  wrote


   John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
 Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

 Possibly a good case for dismissing Google plus as an irrelevance.
 Facebook can be used with NS

I am trying to find a cloud based application for sharing files across 
several systems.

These are: Iyonix RISC OS, HTC phone Android, 10 Tablet Android, 
Raspberry Pi linux and RISC OS, and an Intel machine running Lubuntu.

Google + or rather Google Drive is one possiblility, Dropbox and 
EverNote are two others.

While not expecting to be able to save and retrieve files owing to the 
lack of java Script, I was hoping at least to be to be able to see a 
list of the files put up from Linux. But if the message is to be 
believed Google Drive tests for specific Browser ids.




-- 
John - http://mug.riscos.org/

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[Chris Young]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:55:32 +0100, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:

 I am trying to find a cloud based application for sharing files across 
 several systems.
 
 These are: Iyonix RISC OS, HTC phone Android, 10 Tablet Android, 
 Raspberry Pi linux and RISC OS, and an Intel machine running Lubuntu.
 
 Google + or rather Google Drive is one possiblility, Dropbox and 
 EverNote are two others.
 
 While not expecting to be able to save and retrieve files owing to the 
 lack of java Script, I was hoping at least to be to be able to see a 
 list of the files put up from Linux. But if the message is to be 
 believed Google Drive tests for specific Browser ids.

I like MyDrive (http://www.mydrive.net).  It's WebDAV-based so a nice
open standard that can potentially work on any OS.  I know of virtual
WebDAV filesystems for Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android and AmigaOS
(unfortunately I've been unable to locate one for RISC OS), and for
others there is a web interface.

MyDrive's web interface works fine under NetSurf for browsing and
downloading files, however it is impossible to upload anything.

Chris

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:56:54AM +0100, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
 A web page with the subject message appears when I try to access 
 Google+ from NetSurf.
 https://plus.google.com/
 Clicking on learn more the next page says:
 
  Google+ is supported in the following browsers:
   Windows: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Internet Explorer 8 ...
   Linux: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond
   Mac: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Safari 4 and beyond
 
 Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

Frankly, given the vast quantity of JavaScript and other DOM faffery which G+
does, I'm amazed it ever worked at all.  There's nothing we can do until such
time as we have our JS and DOM linked up, and a dynamic render engine sorted.

D.

-- 
Daniel Silverstone   http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

[Allan Bennett]

In message ee9d9ee352.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk
  John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 A web page with the subject message appears when I try to access
 Google+ from NetSurf.
 https://plus.google.com/
 Clicking on learn more the next page says:

  Google+ is supported in the following browsers:
   Windows: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Internet Explorer 8 ...
   Linux: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond
   Mac: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Safari 4 and beyond

 Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

There is a Tell us how we're doing feedback button - very quick to 
complete, though I don't know how much notice they will take...


-- 
Allan Bennett

RE: google custom search using Netsurf v2.7

[Mr Robin Lawrence]

Thank you everyone for the advise, I will try this tomorrow and let you know 
how it went. Rob 

From: netsurf-users-boun...@netsurf-browser.org 
[netsurf-users-boun...@netsurf-browser.org] on behalf of Tim Hill 
[t...@timil.com]
Sent: 30 August 2011 07:29
To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
Subject: Re: google custom search using Netsurf v2.7

In article 277c4e0a52.michaelb...@michael.beaverbell.co.uk, Michael
Bell mich...@beaverbell.co.uk wrote:
 In message 520a42849bt...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake
   t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  In article
  5b13461198a73e4181c24862591b2b7776b...@ch1prd0102mb121.prod.exchangel
  abs.com, Mr Robin Lawrence lawre...@uqconnect.net wrote:

[Snip]

  about Java..

[Snip]

 Netsurf may not have Java

[Snip]

I am not going to be the first pedant to point out that I think the
problem is more likely with Javascript, not Java. Though it's fair to say
NetSurf has neither.  :-(

An explanation of the difference is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/java-and-javascript
[all browsers support them - the BBC should know better than to say
things like that!]

--
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com

Re: google custom search using Netsurf v2.7

[Michael Bell]

In message 520a42849bt...@netsurf-browser.org
  Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 In article
 5b13461198a73e4181c24862591b2b7776b...@ch1prd0102mb121.prod.exchangel
 abs.com,
Mr Robin Lawrence lawre...@uqconnect.net wrote:

 Hi there I haven't used my Iyonix for a while and today I tried to use
 Netsurf v2.7 with google custom search and I got the message about
 Java.. I looked at google and it said that this service was
 depreciated but will still have limited access.

 The version of google search used from the NetSurf homepage supplied with
 that version of NetSurf does not work.

 Either use a test build:

 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds

 Or copy the homepage from the test build over the one in your NetSurf 2.7
 installation.  It is located in the !NetSurf.Docs.welcome directory.

Netsurf may not have Java but it can be a lot quicker to search in 
Google using Netsurf. When I type the search term(s) into Google on my 
PC, which has all the latest upgrades, automatically installed) it 
wastes a lot time trying to guess what I am going to type and 
sometimes it replaces my search term with something completely 
different.


Michael Bell

-- 

Re: google custom search using Netsurf v2.7

[Dr Peter Young]

On 29 Aug 2011  Michael Bell mich...@beaverbell.co.uk wrote:

 In message 520a42849bt...@netsurf-browser.org
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 In article
 5b13461198a73e4181c24862591b2b7776b...@ch1prd0102mb121.prod.exchangel
 abs.com,
Mr Robin Lawrence lawre...@uqconnect.net wrote:

 Hi there I haven't used my Iyonix for a while and today I tried to use
 Netsurf v2.7 with google custom search and I got the message about
 Java.. I looked at google and it said that this service was
 depreciated but will still have limited access.

 The version of google search used from the NetSurf homepage supplied with
 that version of NetSurf does not work.

 Either use a test build:

 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds

 Or copy the homepage from the test build over the one in your NetSurf 2.7
 installation.  It is located in the !NetSurf.Docs.welcome directory.

 Netsurf may not have Java but it can be a lot quicker to search in
     Java_Script_!

It doesn't have Java, either, but JavaScript is the main missing bit. 
However, as for Michael, NetSurf works a lot quicker for me than 
Windows Firefox, if JavaScript isn't involved. Many thanks to all the 
developers.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: google custom search using Netsurf v2.7

[Tim Hill]

In article 277c4e0a52.michaelb...@michael.beaverbell.co.uk, Michael
Bell mich...@beaverbell.co.uk wrote:
 In message 520a42849bt...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake
   t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  In article
  5b13461198a73e4181c24862591b2b7776b...@ch1prd0102mb121.prod.exchangel
  abs.com, Mr Robin Lawrence lawre...@uqconnect.net wrote:

[Snip]

  about Java.. 

[Snip]

 Netsurf may not have Java 

[Snip]

I am not going to be the first pedant to point out that I think the
problem is more likely with Javascript, not Java. Though it's fair to say
NetSurf has neither.  :-(

An explanation of the difference is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/java-and-javascript
[all browsers support them - the BBC should know better than to say
things like that!]

-- 
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com

Re: Google error when using Netsurf??

[Roger Darlington]

On 28 Jul 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote:
 
 Using Netsurf, r12629, but also tried a different one, when entering
 any text in the Google Search box, I get:
 
 
 
 403 That‘s an error.
 
 Your client does not have permission to get URL
 /cse?cx=!partner-pub-2827028264017539%3A8068601809ie=UTF-8q=helpbtn
 G=Google+S
 earch from this server. That's all we know.
 

 This is an issue with Google and AdSense that I am currently in the
 process of resolving.  For the mean time, you'll have to use a normal
 google search box rather than the one on the welcome page.


I have tried making the home page of Netsurf
http://www.google.co.uk/
but when I run Netsurf, it says 'failed to load stylesheet', and 
doesn't show any Google typing in box, which is odd, because 
http://www.google.co.uk/
works when its not the home-page.

Any ideas?

-- 

Cheers
Roger
I'm a mitochondriac

Re: Google error when using Netsurf??

[Rob Kendrick]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote:
 
 Using Netsurf, r12629, but also tried a different one, when entering 
 any text in the Google Search box, I get:
 
 
 
 403 That‘s an error.
 
 Your client does not have permission to get URL 
 /cse?cx=!partner-pub-2827028264017539%3A8068601809ie=UTF-8q=helpbtnG=Google+S
  
 earch from this server. That's all we know.
 

This is an issue with Google and AdSense that I am currently in the
process of resolving.  For the mean time, you'll have to use a normal
google search box rather than the one on the welcome page.

B.

Re: Google error when using Netsurf??

[Roger Darlington]

On 28 Jul 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote:
 
 Using Netsurf, r12629, but also tried a different one, when entering
 any text in the Google Search box, I get:
 
 
 
 403 That‘s an error.
 
 Your client does not have permission to get URL
 /cse?cx=!partner-pub-2827028264017539%3A8068601809ie=UTF-8q=helpbtn
 G=Google+S
 earch from this server. That's all we know.
 

 This is an issue with Google and AdSense that I am currently in the
 process of resolving.  For the mean time, you'll have to use a normal
 google search box rather than the one on the welcome page.

OK Rob, many thanks for swift response.



-- 

Cheers
Roger
I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one Inspector Cleuseau

Re: Google Groups

[Chris Newman]

In article 7925d3d551.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
 Have they changed the Google Usenet archive interface so that it is no
 longer possible to post to Usenet groups without Javascript?

Something has changed. Using netsurf, I tried replying to a thread the other
day  got a message along the lines of... Could not post your message. If
you think this is a fault contact Google Groups. I did  they have not
replied. Hey, ho.

-- 
Chris

Re: google results page

[David J. Ruck]

On 05/05/2010 19:03, Tony Moore wrote:

As of today [?] Google has changed the format of its search results
page. NetSurf (RISC OS) displays most of the page correctly, but there
is some confusion, and overwriting, in the top left hand corner. Does
this warrant a bug report? I'm sure that all the developers can see the
problem, themselves.


Reporting bugs is like calling 999. Don't assume someone else has done 
it - it is better to have multiple reports, than none at all.


Of course the bug reporting facility does have a search facility to 
allow to find an existing instance, which you can then add any new 
information to.


Cheers

--
David J. Ruck
email: dr...@druck.org.uk
phone: +44(0)7974 108301

Re: google results page

[Richard Porter]

On 6 May 2010 David J. Ruck wrote:

 Reporting bugs is like calling 999. Don't assume someone else has done
 it - it is better to have multiple reports, than none at all.

 Of course the bug reporting facility does have a search facility to
 allow to find an existing instance, which you can then add any new
 information to.

Unfortunately you can't add files to someone else's report, so it may 
be necessary to raise a duplicate report if there's a log or 
screenshot to upload.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
  mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
Confidentiality statement: Imagine 50 lines of pointless verbiage.

Re: google results page

[Richard Porter]

On 6 May 2010 Jim Nagel  wrote:

 Richard Porter  wrote on 6 May:

 On 6 May 2010 David J. Ruck wrote:
 ... Of course the bug reporting facility does have a search facility to
 allow to find an existing instance, which you can then add any new
 information to.

 Unfortunately you can't add files to someone else's report, so it may
 be necessary to raise a duplicate report if there's a log or
 screenshot to upload.

 you could put the file in your own webspace and include the link in
 the textual info you add to the report.

True. I have done that when the file was too big for Sourceforge and 
it was easier than splitting it up as I usually do. The only problem 
is that you don't know when the file has been collected or is no 
longer needed and can be deleted.

-- 
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
  mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
Confidentiality statement: Imagine 50 lines of pointless verbiage.

Re: google maps

[Dr Alan Leighton]

In message 50f8e9f8c3brian.jord...@btinternet.com
  Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

 In article eb1de7f850.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 [Snip problem with r9799 and Google maps]

 Can anyone please confirm this problem. If so, does anyone know of a
 link to Google Maps which still works?

 Yes, I see exactly the same here.

Sadly the same with me..

Alan


-- 

Re: google maps

[Brian Jordan]

In article eb1de7f850.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

[Snip problem with r9799 and Google maps]

 Can anyone please confirm this problem. If so, does anyone know of a
 link to Google Maps which still works?

Yes, I see exactly the same here.

-- 
_

Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Vince M Hudd]

Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:42:49 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:

  As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and 500
  people commit to support a developer, it won't necessarily be me - the
  pledge is just worded that way.
 
  Is that clear now?
 
 As mud.

Tim was, I think, saying that there quite simply _won't_ be 500 people
coming forward to make a pledge. The point he was - obtusely - making is
that users are happy to sit back and moan about how things they aren't
paying for aren't being done the way they'd like, but not (enough would)
offer financial support to make it more viable for someone to devote more
time to it.

Or something along those lines. I suspect.

-- 
Vince M Hudd
Soft Rock Software

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Tim Hill]

In article gemini.kq9sby004sy9e03zw.vi...@softrock.co.uk, Vince M Hudd
vi...@softrock.co.uk wrote:
 Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
  On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:42:49 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:

   As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and
   500 people commit to support a developer, it won't necessarily be
   me - the pledge is just worded that way.
  
   Is that clear now?
  
  As mud.

 Tim was, I think, saying that there quite simply _won't_ be 500 people
 coming forward to make a pledge. The point he was - obtusely - making
 is that users are happy to sit back and moan about how things they
 aren't paying for aren't being done the way they'd like, but not
 (enough would) offer financial support to make it more viable for
 someone to devote more time to it.

 Or something along those lines. I suspect.

Quite. And not just because there are not 500 users that keen. Paying up
front for stuff in /our/ marketplace is fraught with danger, whether it
be for software, a magazine subscription, or a new laptop. 

Only 497 to go...

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[John-Mark Bell]

On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 16:10 +0200, Xavier Tardy wrote:

 I think it's important to keep alive important projects like the Netsurf 
 browser for RISC OS.

Then please do something about it.

 Of course if this is not even seen as important by the Netsurf team, 
 then let's forget it.

I have explained the NetSurf team's position multiple times in this
thread alone. Please go and read those emails, instead of making
assumptions about what we do or do not believe.

It's likely the case that more development time has been wasted by this
thread than would have been needed to make the RISC OS frontend work
with the pending core changes.

Oh, and I'm *still* waiting for someone who isn't a member of the
NetSurf development team to thank our GSoC students for their hard work
this summer.


John.

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Tim Hill]

In article 20090918232452.30c5f...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob
Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:58:23 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:

  Are there 500 user of the RISC OS version of NetSurf willing to
  donate £4 a month to support a developer?
  
  www.pledgebank.com/netsurf4riscos

 Can I ask what happens if your patches aren't accepted, for whatever
 reason?

 This is why we've never taken any money for development.  Suddenly a
 hobby becomes a ball and chain.

whoosh

(That's the sound of the point being missed by nearly everyone.)

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[WP Blatchley]

Hi all,

Well despite Rob Kenricks's probably highly accurate description of how 
development for RISC OS is (hateful!), I am interested, and have expressed 
that interest on the developers' mailing list. And I'm not the only one.

I've had quick responses to the (so far few) questions I've asked, and I 
believe that the existing NetSurf developers will continue to bend over 
backwards to help anyone with the time and inclination to maintain the RISC OS 
front end. They just haven't got the time or the inclination to do it 
themselves. I'm sure everyone here can understand that.

Right now my time is very limited, just like most other people's. However, I am 
looking over the sources in the little free time I do have, and I'm starting to 
get a feel for things. I fully expect to be able to make a positive 
contribution to the project in time, but I can't just pick up such a large 
software project and start committing code without a pretty serious investment 
of time. So patience is required before I, or anyone else I should think, can 
get up to speed with the project and fill in the gaps. I would therefore 
understand if the core developers wanted to drop RISC OS support and merge 
their improvements for now to prevent this stall in development affecting the 
other platforms for any longer than it has already.

That doesn't mean I or somebody else can't be working on getting the RISC OS 
front end back into shape at a later date, does it? It would just mean RISC OS 
autobuilds had to stop for a period, I think.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

WPB



  

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Mike Hobbs]

In message 800994.16379...@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
  WP Blatchley willblatch...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Well despite Rob Kenricks's probably highly accurate description of
 how development for RISC OS is (hateful!), I am interested, and have
 expressed that interest on the developers' mailing list. And I'm not
 the only one.

 I've had quick responses to the (so far few) questions I've asked, and
 I believe that the existing NetSurf developers will continue to bend
 over backwards to help anyone with the time and inclination to
 maintain the RISC OS front end. They just haven't got the time or the
 inclination to do it themselves. I'm sure everyone here can understand
 that.

 Right now my time is very limited, just like most other people's.
 However, I am looking over the sources in the little free time I do
 have, and I'm starting to get a feel for things. I fully expect to be
 able to make a positive contribution to the project in time, but I
 can't just pick up such a large software project and start committing
 code without a pretty serious investment of time. So patience is
 required before I, or anyone else I should think, can get up to speed
 with the project and fill in the gaps. I would therefore understand if
 the core developers wanted to drop RISC OS support and merge their
 improvements for now to prevent this stall in development affecting
 the other platforms for any longer than it has already.

 That doesn't mean I or somebody else can't be working on getting the
 RISC OS front end back into shape at a later date, does it? It would
 just mean RISC OS autobuilds had to stop for a period, I think.

 Correct me if I'm wrong!

 WPB

I'm in exactly the same position as WPB. In time I hope to be able
to contribute but currently I'm not a developer, I'm a software
test engineer and although I write lots of code I've only ever
developed RISC OS applications using Basic (because its excellent
for achieving quick results in doing real work). I'll be trying
to improve my C skills (which hopefully will also help my day job).
As with seemingly everyone else, time is in short supply, but
hopefully between us we can do enough maintenance to keep the RISC
OS front end going.

I might be sticking my neck out here but I have a feeling that many
of the regular users of RISC OS (and thus frequent users of NetSurf)
are actually old phogies (like me!) and perhaps feel they are past
learning new skills. In fact somebody said that earlier in the thread.
In my experience the 'young whippersnappers' move on to other
platforms where there is masses of new stuff for them to get their
teeth into and show off their skills. I use RISC OS all day, every
day, to accomplish real work and its the easiest to use and most
responsive and intuitive and time-efficient OS I use. Frankly,
Windows and all the flavours of unix-like OSs keep annoying me by
their over-feature-rich, cosmetically snazzy, but bloody awkward
UIs. All I want is a reasonable browser on RISC OS (and I've been
waiting 20 years for it!) NetSurf is good as far as it goes, but
there is lots to do. As has happened with so much other RISC OS
software, it looks like if its going to progress I'll have to do it
myself (together with a few other willing bods).

Now, ask yourself, how much code could have been written if
contributors had not been raking over the coals in this thread?
Shall we get on with the job now?  For my part, I'm just looking
through the sources and over the weekend will attempt to get it
building.  If that goes OK I'll look at something on the todo list
that I feel I can do and take it from there.

Finally, I would like to say how grateful I am to the NetSurf
developers for getting it thus far. I'm disappointed that they don't
feel inclined to maintain the RISC OS front end because I'm sure they
could do a better job than me, but, as the creators of NetSurf, they
are entitled to do what they like.

Mike

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Russell Hafter - Lists]

In article 509c71f91eba...@e-allen.me.uk,
   Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote:

 Don't be silly. It is not a choice that I have to make. I
 rarely use Netsurf, preferring to use Google Chrome on my
 PeeCee or Firefox on my ASUS EeePC. Why would anyone use
 Netsurf when there are much more capable browsers to hand?

Well, I use NetSurf for something at which it is far more
capable. Not by design, true!

I frequently need to keep a very close eye on foreign
exchange rates, and I now use www.xe.com for this.

The site updates rates automatically every 30s and it
finances itself through advertising. The adverts tend to
take much longer to load than the actual data, and they also
reload frequently. AFAIK the adverts are loaded using
Javascript, so with NetSuf they do not load. (This is
nothing to do with NetSurf's Hide Advertisements option,
which I do not have selected.)

Until about 9 months ago the autoupdate on the page did not
work in NetSurf either, but it does now, so I often have
this page permanently on the desktop.

Doing this with a PC browser results at times with
everything coming to a stop while the page tries to reload
its adverts.

Equally, I now find that the majority of sites that I use
for simple information display well with NetSurf, which was
not the case a year ago.

For other tasks requiring a browser I switch on the PC and
use Firefox.

In fact, I find I now need to revert to windows and Firefox
more often for PDFs than for web browsing.

-- 
Russell Hafter - Mailing Lists
rh.li...@phone.coop
Need a hotel? http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__bluecustomerId=416873103
(NB This link needs Firefox to work)

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Xavier Tardy]

Rob Kendrick a écrit :

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:34:53 +0100
aw29...@gmail.com wrote:

  

In all of this, our preference has been for option 1. It would,
however, be remiss of us not to point out the inevitable result of
option 1 not happening (i.e. option 2).  
  
One idea is doing what 99% of people never seem to do and advertising 
again for help at some point in the near future. It might reach 
different people or the same people in a different frame of mind on a 
different day.



We've been asking for people to maintain the RISC OS front end for
*months* if not years.  Nobody has come forward.

Perhaps it is time to accept that there is nobody available to do the
work.  If people don't like that, it's time to start learning software
engineering and get involved, or learning to accept that RISC OS is
dead.

Choose one.

B.



  

Yet another burst of anger.