Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread E.T.
Shoot, I was hoping that wouldn't be necessary...

Well after doing the compression test and checking the spark a new problem has 
developed.
When I tried to start after those tests the bike began to backfire.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread E.T.
So the backfiring is not an issue. I'm an idiot. 

Checked the ignition timing on cyl1 was spot on. 
Decided to check the regularity of ignition on the other cylinders. 2 and 3 
appear to have intermittent drops in spark.
Going to swap the coils to see if it switches. 

That's a pricey part...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread paul annen
check with jacks cycle and salvage in sanford fl, i got a set of coils for
my goldwing for $50... they will ship or i can pick up localy and ship for
you

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:41 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:

 So the backfiring is not an issue. I'm an idiot.

 Checked the ignition timing on cyl1 was spot on.
 Decided to check the regularity of ignition on the other cylinders. 2 and
 3 appear to have intermittent drops in spark.
 Going to swap the coils to see if it switches.

 That's a pricey part...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread E.T.
I'll check them out. Thanks


After I switched the coils: running problem persists but the timing light 
showed regular firing for all 4 cylinders. I guess I'll switch back and retest.
Decided just for the hell of it to check compression again. All cylinders are 
pushing 120psi which as far as I know should be plenty to run.

I'm stumped here.
I was supposed to be riding this machine to Texas here in 2 days, I really hope 
I can resolve this by then.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread E.T.
Well if this last hot reading of the compression is right I'll just clean the 
carbs again when I've got the rest pulled off I guess.

Wanted to retest the compression since 120 is a little low and, even though it 
should run, I was suspicious. Drove for 10 min then came back and threw the 
tester on again. Cyls 1, 3, 4 were still at 120. Cyl 2 was harldy pushing 
100psi. The manual says 171+/-28 psi is the spec.

Should I check the valves or rings? 
Clean the carbs 1 more time before I go there maybe?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread Robert Kariniemi
It is sounding like Carb sync. Little screw between carbs that has to be
within 1/8 turn of exact. That gives hesitation big time. I waited a long
time before correcting mine but once done it was excellent. Be sure no boot
leaks first though.
 On Jul 27, 2012 8:57 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well if this last hot reading of the compression is right I'll just clean
 the carbs again when I've got the rest pulled off I guess.

 Wanted to retest the compression since 120 is a little low and, even
 though it should run, I was suspicious. Drove for 10 min then came back and
 threw the tester on again. Cyls 1, 3, 4 were still at 120. Cyl 2 was harldy
 pushing 100psi. The manual says 171+/-28 psi is the spec.

 Should I check the valves or rings?
 Clean the carbs 1 more time before I go there maybe?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread E.T.
Well that would be way better than cracking it open. Any links to a decent 
cheap 4 cyl vacuum gauge? Can't find one anywhere local...
Or if I shop it, what would be a fair price range for getting it done?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread Kyle Munz
I live in the 4th largest city in the US and couldn't find a sync tool
locally. 8 had to order one off of amazon. Plenty of videos on YouTube
about how to use them.

-Kyle
On Jul 27, 2012 9:39 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well that would be way better than cracking it open. Any links to a decent
 cheap 4 cyl vacuum gauge? Can't find one anywhere local...
 Or if I shop it, what would be a fair price range for getting it done?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread James O'Gorman
Just made a post about this, but here is a model better suited to our bikes (as 
opposed to cars)

http://www.streetsideauto.com/p/edelbrock-uni-syn-4027/?utm_source=googlepeplautm_medium=adwordutm_content=plagclid=CMTNrqe1u7ECFUS4KgodM3QAFA

On Jul 27, 2012, at 22:00 PM, Kyle Munz wrote:

 I live in the 4th largest city in the US and couldn't find a sync tool 
 locally. 8 had to order one off of amazon. Plenty of videos on YouTube about 
 how to use them.
 
 -Kyle
 
 On Jul 27, 2012 9:39 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well that would be way better than cracking it open. Any links to a decent 
 cheap 4 cyl vacuum gauge? Can't find one anywhere local...
 Or if I shop it, what would be a fair price range for getting it done?
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-27 Thread Allen Thomas
Make sure the battery is good. We have seen plenty of weak batteries cause poor 
running conditions.
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

I'll check them out. Thanks


After I switched the coils: running problem persists but the timing light 
showed regular firing for all 4 cylinders. I guess I'll switch back and retest.
Decided just for the hell of it to check compression again. All cylinders are 
pushing 120psi which as far as I know should be plenty to run.

I'm stumped here.
I was supposed to be riding this machine to Texas here in 2 days, I really hope 
I can resolve this by then.

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-26 Thread greenzer...@gmail.com
Sounds like coils to me



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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

Ran some through. Let it sit.  Then ran the rest of a can of sea foam for 60 
miles. 

No improvement.
The problem gets worse as the engine gets up to temperature 
The engine hesitates and wants to die below 3 to 3.5k rpm. 
Holding the throttle steady, it will slowly and roughly pick up. Then when it 
hits that range it will jump as if it's now catching spark.
Occasionally on the ride I'd get a poor response in higher rpm but I figured 
that was just the sea foam making things a bit rougher.
I've talked to my brother he had pulled the carbs and had them soaked in 
simple green.
Otherwise he says all he's done is replace the battery and spark plugs.

I'm pulling the carbs here as soon as I eat, so I'll post back with what I see.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-26 Thread E.T.
Got everything thing in the carbs cleaned. Reassembled. Everything slides 
smooth.
Put them back in and the low rpm hesitation and cutting out is still a problem.

No improvement.
Doing a compression test now.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-26 Thread E.T.
Compression is good.

Spark is there.
Checking the timing

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-26 Thread Allen Thomas
If you had crystallized gunk in the carbs, you probably will need to split the 
rack and soak them in chem dip.
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Got everything thing in the carbs cleaned. Reassembled. Everything slides 
smooth.
Put them back in and the low rpm hesitation and cutting out is still a problem.

No improvement.
Doing a compression test now.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread surfswab
Carbs, carbs...it's almost always carbs, especially if it's been
sitting up any time at all.

Clean 'em, then clean 'em again before you start messin' around with
any other fix.  Gas turns to syrup.  Syrup clogs passageways.  No gas
flows.

Same with rvs, outboard motors, lawn motors, chain saws, weed
trimmers...any motor that's used infrequently, then stored for awhile.



On Jul 24, 3:41 pm, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:
 1984 700 s

 Issue: try to pull away, and motor sputters at low rpm. No response or power 
 and stalling until above 3k rpm. Not an issue when the bike first starts.

 Carbs have recently been cleaned(by my brother not me, maybe he changed 
 something)
 He also afterwards took it to a shop to have a diagnostic run but they were 
 useless and just said clean the carbs.

 Maybe electrical?
 Any ideas on what to look for or anyone had this before? Just looking for 
 ideas in the next few days before I get to the bike and start checking it out 
 myself

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread E.T.
When doing the seafoam treatment, should I just add it to the gas, or should I 
go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Joey Kelley
For Maintenance with Seafoam I believe the recommended dosage is one
ounce per gallon mixed directly in with the gas.
 From personal experience, I suggest putting a fresh tank of
gas into the bike, then the correct number of ounces per gallon and
going for a long ride to burn as much of the gas in one shot as
possible. The only reason I mention this is that if it sits, the
Seafoam can settle to the bottom and get sucked into the carbs all at
once - which tends to make the engine run poorly, but won't actually
cause any harm.
 I have put an entire can into a 4 gallon tank (four times the
maintenance dosage) and run the bike for several miles - and believe
me - she was running hot.
 -Joey

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Kurt Nolte
If you are fighting a severe clog, a heavy dose and a good hard run can do
wonders. Like Joey, I've run a whole can in a fresh tank and then flogged
the crap out of it to clear up issues. An assisted Italian Tune, if you
will.

Kurt
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 For Maintenance with Seafoam I believe the recommended dosage is one
 ounce per gallon mixed directly in with the gas.
  From personal experience, I suggest putting a fresh tank of
 gas into the bike, then the correct number of ounces per gallon and
 going for a long ride to burn as much of the gas in one shot as
 possible. The only reason I mention this is that if it sits, the
 Seafoam can settle to the bottom and get sucked into the carbs all at
 once - which tends to make the engine run poorly, but won't actually
 cause any harm.
  I have put an entire can into a 4 gallon tank (four times the
 maintenance dosage) and run the bike for several miles - and believe
 me - she was running hot.
  -Joey

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 should I go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Ross M. Jamison
Fill the tank  add Seafoam to the tank. That is what I did. 

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Ross M. Jamison
What you have mentioned about Seafoam settling, I have not experienced. I ride 
every day I can. If I remember correctly, I ran a tank of regular gas between 
treatment. I can't remember if I did 1/2 a can per tank or the whole can. Like 
I said, my bike runs so good you'd think it was twins!

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Joey Kelley sandp...@gmail.com wrote:

 For Maintenance with Seafoam I believe the recommended dosage is one
 ounce per gallon mixed directly in with the gas.
 From personal experience, I suggest putting a fresh tank of
 gas into the bike, then the correct number of ounces per gallon and
 going for a long ride to burn as much of the gas in one shot as
 possible. The only reason I mention this is that if it sits, the
 Seafoam can settle to the bottom and get sucked into the carbs all at
 once - which tends to make the engine run poorly, but won't actually
 cause any harm.
 I have put an entire can into a 4 gallon tank (four times the
 maintenance dosage) and run the bike for several miles - and believe
 me - she was running hot.
 -Joey
 
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 When doing the seafoam treatment, should I just add it to the gas, or should 
 I go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Ross M. Jamison
The other think to consider, is that when your riding the tank is sloshing, so 
it keeps the Seafoam in suspension. I really don't think it settles.

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you are fighting a severe clog, a heavy dose and a good hard run can do 
 wonders. Like Joey, I've run a whole can in a fresh tank and then flogged the 
 crap out of it to clear up issues. An assisted Italian Tune, if you will.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Jul 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Joey Kelley sandp...@gmail.com wrote:
 For Maintenance with Seafoam I believe the recommended dosage is one
 ounce per gallon mixed directly in with the gas.
  From personal experience, I suggest putting a fresh tank of
 gas into the bike, then the correct number of ounces per gallon and
 going for a long ride to burn as much of the gas in one shot as
 possible. The only reason I mention this is that if it sits, the
 Seafoam can settle to the bottom and get sucked into the carbs all at
 once - which tends to make the engine run poorly, but won't actually
 cause any harm.
  I have put an entire can into a 4 gallon tank (four times the
 maintenance dosage) and run the bike for several miles - and believe
 me - she was running hot.
  -Joey
 
 On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:
  When doing the seafoam treatment, should I just add it to the gas, or 
  should I go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Allen Thomas

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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

When doing the seafoam treatment, should I just add it to the gas, or should I 
go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Allen Thomas
I just split a can over 3 fill ups.
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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

When doing the seafoam treatment, should I just add it to the gas, or should I 
go directly into the hose? I've read differing things...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread E.T.
Ran some through. Let it sit.  Then ran the rest of a can of sea foam for 60 
miles. 

No improvement.
The problem gets worse as the engine gets up to temperature 
The engine hesitates and wants to die below 3 to 3.5k rpm. 
Holding the throttle steady, it will slowly and roughly pick up. Then when it 
hits that range it will jump as if it's now catching spark.
Occasionally on the ride I'd get a poor response in higher rpm but I figured 
that was just the sea foam making things a bit rougher.
I've talked to my brother he had pulled the carbs and had them soaked in 
simple green.
Otherwise he says all he's done is replace the battery and spark plugs.

I'm pulling the carbs here as soon as I eat, so I'll post back with what I see.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread E.T.
Pulled the carbs.
Cleaned all the jets.
The choke was almost locked shut because of that cleaner my brother used. It 
had  crystals in it which jammed the bystarter valve... Took half a can of 
cleaner through there to even be able to pull them from their seats. Crystal 
buildup on the springs, in the valve seat, EVERYwhere. Got that cleaned up and 
the choke reassembled, slides smooth now.
Vacuum piston isn't sliding perfectly smoothly on 2 and 4 they're getting 
caught at the top of the slide.

Would these be the causes of my issue? Leaving the carbs off for the night to 
finish tomorrow

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread Kurt Nolte
YES. YES YES YES.

Sincerely,
The group.

-Kurt
On Jul 25, 2012 11:06 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pulled the carbs.
 Cleaned all the jets.
 The choke was almost locked shut because of that cleaner my brother used.
 It had  crystals in it which jammed the bystarter valve... Took half a can
 of cleaner through there to even be able to pull them from their seats.
 Crystal buildup on the springs, in the valve seat, EVERYwhere. Got that
 cleaned up and the choke reassembled, slides smooth now.
 Vacuum piston isn't sliding perfectly smoothly on 2 and 4 they're getting
 caught at the top of the slide.

 Would these be the causes of my issue? Leaving the carbs off for the night
 to finish tomorrow

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: No power/ stalling in low rpm. Any ideas?

2012-07-25 Thread surfswab
What you've done is okay for a mild case of VOC (volatile organic
compound) evaporation.  That's when gas is just beginning to turn to
syrup or varnish.  That's when it's most responsive to the
dissolving effects of Seafoam (lighter fluid, alcohol and light
machine oil) or the like.

However, when gas has degraded beyond the point of no return, there is
no substitute for physical, mechanical cleaning with more drastic
methods (soaking, carb cleaner, compressed air, brushes, wires).

There's no easy magical, chemical remedy.  Just plain ol' fashioned
grunt work.


On Jul 25, 5:38 pm, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 Fill the tank  add Seafoam to the tank. That is what I did.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
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