Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
*waves back to everyone* For the newcomers and refresher for the oldtimers... 4 years ago I bought a 1985 750s with a blown engine, as a rolling frame with rubbermaids and shopping bags of misc parts and hardware from his failed attempt at restoring it, for $20. My goal was to turn it into an electric motorbike built entirely out of unwanted garbage. I got it mostly reassembled by trial and error, and working, and then paused to consider batteries, because my batteries depend on what my speed controller is, and I wasn't sure about my speed controller. I'm in Canada and things went slower than I hoped, and winter hit, so I lost enthusiasm. Then, my driveshaft came out the last time I went to work on it the next year. Then someone stole my favorite helmet (I bought 3 used ones cheap, just to see what I'd like). The reason I never finished it was because my battery source of good batteries dried up. Originally I planned on just old starter batteries, but then I switched to a seemingly bottomless source of lithium batteries recycled out of junk tool packs. That source closed down and combined with another city. Now I had plenty of batteries to build the bike. Maybe even twice as many as I'd need for the bike. But the problem was that... I now had almost enough for an entire car. But only barely. So if I used them on the bike, I definitely couldn't have a usable car. I hemmed and hawed for the next couple years, and recently moved it when they cleaned the parkade and thought... I need to finish this damned thing. In one of my first post I said: "I have issues with completion on projects, so, simpler is better" Indeed. Why am I working on my bike all of a sudden? Well because I've spent the last year working on my electric car (a 1970 Opel GT, or rather 2, that I rescued from the shredders and combined 2 cut up bodies into one). So naturally as I'm burning out on that, I'm procrastinating that work and starting to distract myself with other projects again. So back to the bike. Step 1: Just shut up get it rolling. Do what it takes. Don't care about optimum. Done is better then perfect. Blah blah is my 36v controller the best option? Will I even be able to hit 40mph with voltage that low? Who cares. See Step 1, get it rolling. Blah blah, how do I configure my batteries? See Step 1. I asked the local NAPA if I could buy 3 of the best-worst used starter batteries people had dropped off for the core charge, for the price of the core charge they said sure. Anything moderately serviceable. Maybe it'll die after 5 trips of being deep discharged. Oh well. Get it rolling. No motorcycle license? No problem. I'm going to register it as a moped. I doubt I'll hit 40mph anyway. I'll ride it until I'm comfortable and get my motorcycle license, then maybe upgrade to better batteries in the future. The gimmicky goal was "Build an electric motorcycle from garbage" and I've succeeded. It will work. I'm not quite as cheap as I used to be (restoring a 50 year old car has corners that simply cannot be cut, it's kind of beaten that out of me), so when I upgrade it I'll probably spend a few hundred on making it be not terrible. Also, some of you guys helped me out a lot with parts and advice, and the only payback you get from that is seeing that your contributions made a difference, so, I want to at least share that it eventually did. All it needs is: - 3 starter batteries. - Battery frame somehow. - Battery wired up. - Controller I already have to be mounted and wired up. - Maybe a different throttle (forklift throttle is sketchy) - Put the driveshaft back together or whatever happened to it there. - New mirrors - Probably new tires if I want to be safe. - Front turn signal indicator clamps (the par that grasps the bar is cracked at the back of the "C" shape on both sides). Any idea where to buy replacements? I'll just buy them now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nighthawk_lovers/CALEp-WfwC7-ViKdJemqPYp%3D3jSKxwPNcw%2BPP8%2B3hbWUC1X7efA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Reading the manual more carefully (section 13 for those following along in the 700sc)... It looks like there are heavy springs on either end of the driveshaft, and, it says to use the rear shock compressor tool to compress them on the driveshaft. I don't have that, though I suppose a couple 2x4s with holes in them and some pipe clamps would work in a pinch. I don't quite get what the compressing tool does. Yeah it compresses them obviously, but then at some point the springs have to be locked into place with something, and I can't just slide that in while they're compressed unless I overcompress it right past the entire clamping mechanism. Some pics... Back axle on the right, towards transmission on the left. All this is at the wheel side. Same orientation but shows both ends of the driveshaft. Reverse orientation, now you're looking at the U-joint side. Confusingly, it never shows both springs on the driveshaft at the same time. I'm not 100% certain I'm not reading it wrong and that there's only 1. And when I feel at the U-Joint end for a groove to lock the circlip, there is none. And I have this shouldered-washer (a washer that cups the end of the spring a bit)... ya figure that goes next to the circlip, or on the opposite end of the spring? So confused and this is my first automotive project ever so, no experience to draw on. Anyone ever pulled a driveshaft before? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
*Battery Bulk*: My big goal was to get 60 miles (100km) worth of range at highway speeds. I need ~140-200 watt-hours to travel a mile at those speeds. I have these 4x5 battery holders, an 18650's average voltage through it's discharge curve is ~3.7, maybe 3.75v, cells are roughly 2000mah each (good ones are 2600, I'll stuff in as many of those as possible), so each 4x5 brick of 20 cells is roughly 150 watt-hours and weighs 2 lbs. *Battery Weight*: At a brick a mile, I need to find room to fit 60 of the bricks in the frame (9000 watt-hours). Since I'm doing strings of 11, might as well round it up or down to 55 or 66 bricks. It'll weigh about 120 lbs to do that. Motor is 92lbs, so motor+battery is 212 lbs, plus the weight of wiring and the battery enclosure. The original engine according to spec was 181 lbs dry. Plus fluids. Plus exhaust. Plus fuel. I should weigh the bike now and compare it to the 467lbs it was originally. In any case, I'm in the right ballpark I'd say. *Battery Sizing Layout*: My first big happy surprise. I had more room in the frame than I thought. 66 bricks is roughly 2 milk crates worth, bulk-wise. Just looking at the bike, I figured there was no way I'd find room to fit them. I've been putting it off forever, but tonight I dummied up a bunch of empty battery trays and started seeing where they could go. 1 - Below radiator, in front of frame: 4x4 bricks, +4 if I remove radiator. 16-20 total. 2 - Below/between frame, below motor (as in pic): 3x4 bricks. If I double-stack (each stack is 2.5" tall), double that. Brake disc is 6" above ground, so I figure I'm okay with that clearance for city riding? 12 or 24 total. 3 - Beside motor: Sloppily, sticking out of frame, 5 first tier, 8 on second tier, 8 more on third tier. 21. 4 - Above Motor Right: 5x2 bricks. Three tiers. The mounting for the motor sticks out 2" so I have to separate right from left. 30 total. 5 - Above Motor Left: 4x2 bricks. Three tiers, but it's getting ugly to not narrow at the top of the frame. 24 total. 6 - Under Tank: 2x2. Not much space, hard to fit, but room for 4 total. 7 - Above Swingarm Triange: 3x2. 3 tiers. Nice and narrowly tucked, won't interfere with my thighs. 18 total. *Grand total*: 125-141 bricks. Jeez, I only needed room for 66. Heck, I only have enough weight available for 66 (not 250-280 lbs). I don't even have 141x20 = 2820 cells = 21kwh of cells. That's almost as much as a Nissan Leaf. This isn't the layout I'll be using, or even the orientation, it was just the easiest way to slab up cell holders and ballpark the spacing available. If I'm over what I need by at least double... I can afford to make some choices based on cosmetics, not "What used to look like a motorbike now with a bunch of bricks". I can skip the whole row in front of the frame. The 2nd tier below the frame. I can slim a whole row of bricks off of the left and right sides each. Still have room for 66. Easy. Expecting my hubris to bite me later, but, for now I have some breathing room. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Figured I owe you guys an update: Batteries: Last couple months have been battery charging and capacity testing 24/7 on both chargers. I now have around 1800 cells capacity tested and marked (~2.5 milk crates worth) and still another, oh, 700 or so still to process. Of the 1800, 200 are a larger form factor I'll use on a moped, and at least another 2-300 are 33% lower than the rest (just older and that's as good as they made them back then), so I'll drop those out. I need to make some cardboard mockups of the batteries and start measuring the frame to find out where I'm going to put all of them, but, roughly speaking I think there's only room for 1200 cells on the bike at most. That's around 10,000 watt-hours. At 150 watt-hours per mile at highway speed, that's 66 miles range. When I started this project I was hoping for 15 miles, so, things are lookin' good. Throttle: I ordered 4 different electronic throttles from China. 2 of them showed up. 1 of them works. Perfect, all told under $15 shipping included from the various sellers. I'm getting the hang of this "parts from overseas" thing. As they say in sailing "If you can't tie knots, tie lots." Controller: Until I get around to figuring out how to mount and stuff all the batteries in, I need to figure out the controller. It's my next real bottleneck. I have 3 forklift controllers and one golf cart controller, but all of them are lower voltage than I want (24-36v max). Some of them have decent amp abilities (100-200 amps), but that combined is still only around 5000 watts. That's enough for moped speeds, but not highway speeds and not hills. I can buy (*spit*) a DC motor controller for $1000, or a DIY kit for $600, but I'd ideally build one myself or find something junky I can use. I'm keeping my eye on some electrical vehicle forums, but, damned things are trendy nowadays. I don't really want to build the battery packs until I know the size of the controllers I'm using, since it'll probably eat up 10% of the battery pack size. ... That's about all that's new with me. While stumped, I'm fixing up an electric moped and building it a new (used to be lead-acid) lithium pack which I figure will be good practice for the Nighthawk when I'm done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Love the update. I was hoping to hear about this again. I'm ready for season 2 of the electric nighthawk Franken-version! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Someone once came up with the idea of using a chain.. Dual. Driveshaft. Dual, Driveshaft. Dual Driveshaft. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Someone once came up with the idea of using a chain.. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:43 PM Matt Awesomewrote: > > honestly, why do you want two drive shafts? The one transmits more than > enough torque to the rear wheel and is half the maintenance. > > 1 - Symmetry. One lopsided motor is a bit janky. > > 2 - Balance. The motor is in line with the center of the driveshaft. > It makes the bike 100lbs heavy on the left side. Batteries will help, > but, lithium doesn't weight as much as steel and copper. > > 3 - Uniqueness/Challenge/Coolness. In my head, dual, mirrored motors > side by side would just look badass, and I don't think I've seen it > done anywhere. > > 4 - Controller help. Two smaller controllers are easier than one big > one. I'm having trouble finding a big enough controller. > > 5 - Redundancy. If anything happens to a motor/brush/etc, I've got another. > > 6 - Regen. I think it'd be easier to flip one motor into regen mode > than to flip the only motor into regen. > > ... > > Seriously though, #3 is like, 75% of why I want to. With one motor it > looks like I've got a motor hanging off the bike like an abdominal > tumor. A pair of them looks awesome. > > > > Have it spin a tire underneath the bike like a gyroscope (self balancing) > > That doesn't actually work like people think it does, that has nothing > to do with why a bike stays upright, also, it would prevent it from > going around corners (gyro would resist change to direction and act > like a giant tow rope dragging you in the same direction). Also, no, > stop, I don't need more ideas, I'm curious if my current idea is > feasible or impossible. :P > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> honestly, why do you want two drive shafts? The one transmits more than > enough torque to the rear wheel and is half the maintenance. 1 - Symmetry. One lopsided motor is a bit janky. 2 - Balance. The motor is in line with the center of the driveshaft. It makes the bike 100lbs heavy on the left side. Batteries will help, but, lithium doesn't weight as much as steel and copper. 3 - Uniqueness/Challenge/Coolness. In my head, dual, mirrored motors side by side would just look badass, and I don't think I've seen it done anywhere. 4 - Controller help. Two smaller controllers are easier than one big one. I'm having trouble finding a big enough controller. 5 - Redundancy. If anything happens to a motor/brush/etc, I've got another. 6 - Regen. I think it'd be easier to flip one motor into regen mode than to flip the only motor into regen. ... Seriously though, #3 is like, 75% of why I want to. With one motor it looks like I've got a motor hanging off the bike like an abdominal tumor. A pair of them looks awesome. > Have it spin a tire underneath the bike like a gyroscope (self balancing) That doesn't actually work like people think it does, that has nothing to do with why a bike stays upright, also, it would prevent it from going around corners (gyro would resist change to direction and act like a giant tow rope dragging you in the same direction). Also, no, stop, I don't need more ideas, I'm curious if my current idea is feasible or impossible. :P -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
We're here to help with the feature creep, but honestly, why do you want two drive shafts? The one transmits more than enough torque to the rear wheel and is half the maintenance. On Dec 4, 2017 16:41, "Matt Awesome"wrote: > > Why stop at two drive shafts? You could run two rear wheels side by side > > like the Dodge Tomahawk. > > Come on now, I have enough feature creep from my own stupid ideas, I > don't need you guys adding more. > > > Run the driveshaft up to the steering head then down to the front wheel > > Why not just add wings and turn it to a hoverbike? > > Stop that. Focus is already an issue with me. > > And I've already looked into that. FWD on a bike is somewhat dangerous > I've heard, because unlike with a car, if you lose traction the tire > tries to flop over. A friend of mine built a FWD electric bike and > it's moderately terrifying to ride. > > Two driveshafts, same tire. As much stock as possible. Doable? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Why stop at two drive shafts? You could run two rear wheels side by side > like the Dodge Tomahawk. Come on now, I have enough feature creep from my own stupid ideas, I don't need you guys adding more. > Run the driveshaft up to the steering head then down to the front wheel Why not just add wings and turn it to a hoverbike? Stop that. Focus is already an issue with me. And I've already looked into that. FWD on a bike is somewhat dangerous I've heard, because unlike with a car, if you lose traction the tire tries to flop over. A friend of mine built a FWD electric bike and it's moderately terrifying to ride. Two driveshafts, same tire. As much stock as possible. Doable? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Run the driveshaft up to the steering head then down to the front wheel From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Munz Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:55 PM To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion Why stop at two drive shafts? You could run two rear wheels side by side like the Dodge Tomahawk. -Kyle On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Matt Awesome <mattsawesomest...@gmail.com<mailto:mattsawesomest...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well it's snowing and blowing out so I haven't been around to working on the bike, since there's no rush until spring. ... which had me thinking some stupid thoughts. So for shits and giggles and the intellectual exercise of it all, feel free to talk me into/out of them... Suppose I want do have a dual-driveshaft bike. I've never seen one. It would be unique. It's stupid, I'll add 80lbs and lose space and weight for batteries, to gain horsepower I don't need and won't use, but, whatever. Suppose I steal the rear tire and driveshaft from a donor bike, so parts-wise I have enough to do it. What then? Is it even possible? What would it entail? It's the only part of the bike I haven't disassembled so I'm not sure what goes on in there. I'll kick things off: 1 - The shaft would have to rotate in the opposite direction. That's easy, since it'll be dual-electric motor. 2 - However the driveshaft engages with the rear tire is obviously on the left side, so to make it work, I would have to flip it upside down for the left side. 3 - I presume the drum brake is on the left side there somewhere? So I'd lose a drum brake (I'd have to either add a disc or use regen braking to have highway-legal 2 braking systems). 4 - The rear swingarm would have to have the right beam cut off and the new hollow thingy with the driveshaft welded in its place. No problem, I have a welder. ... Talk me out of/into this. What are the obstacles I'd need to overcome? - Is there liquid lube that would sit in the wrong spot if upside down? - Would it be infeasible/impossible to mount the wheel gear assembly on the opposite side? How mirrored is the hub? In the meantime I've been building a battery tester/charger I'll share soon and I've picked up a total of, oh, 300 lbs of lithium batteries so far. More than I'll use on the bike I think. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Why stop at two drive shafts? You could run two rear wheels side by side like the Dodge Tomahawk. -Kyle On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Matt Awesomewrote: > Well it's snowing and blowing out so I haven't been around to working on > the bike, since there's no rush until spring. > > ... which had me thinking some stupid thoughts. So for shits and giggles > and the intellectual exercise of it all, feel free to talk me into/out of > them... > > Suppose I want do have a dual-driveshaft bike. I've never seen one. It > would be unique. It's stupid, I'll add 80lbs and lose space and weight for > batteries, to gain horsepower I don't need and won't use, but, whatever. > Suppose I steal the rear tire and driveshaft from a donor bike, so > parts-wise I have enough to do it. What then? Is it even possible? What > would it entail? > > It's the only part of the bike I haven't disassembled so I'm not sure what > goes on in there. > > I'll kick things off: > > 1 - The shaft would have to rotate in the opposite direction. That's easy, > since it'll be dual-electric motor. > > 2 - However the driveshaft engages with the rear tire is obviously on the > left side, so to make it work, I would have to flip it upside down for the > left side. > > 3 - I presume the drum brake is on the left side there somewhere? So I'd > lose a drum brake (I'd have to either add a disc or use regen braking to > have highway-legal 2 braking systems). > > 4 - The rear swingarm would have to have the right beam cut off and the > new hollow thingy with the driveshaft welded in its place. No problem, I > have a welder. > > ... > > Talk me out of/into this. What are the obstacles I'd need to overcome? > > - Is there liquid lube that would sit in the wrong spot if upside down? > - Would it be infeasible/impossible to mount the wheel gear assembly on > the opposite side? How mirrored is the hub? > > In the meantime I've been building a battery tester/charger I'll share > soon and I've picked up a total of, oh, 300 lbs of lithium batteries so > far. More than I'll use on the bike I think. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Well it's snowing and blowing out so I haven't been around to working on the bike, since there's no rush until spring. ... which had me thinking some stupid thoughts. So for shits and giggles and the intellectual exercise of it all, feel free to talk me into/out of them... Suppose I want do have a dual-driveshaft bike. I've never seen one. It would be unique. It's stupid, I'll add 80lbs and lose space and weight for batteries, to gain horsepower I don't need and won't use, but, whatever. Suppose I steal the rear tire and driveshaft from a donor bike, so parts-wise I have enough to do it. What then? Is it even possible? What would it entail? It's the only part of the bike I haven't disassembled so I'm not sure what goes on in there. I'll kick things off: 1 - The shaft would have to rotate in the opposite direction. That's easy, since it'll be dual-electric motor. 2 - However the driveshaft engages with the rear tire is obviously on the left side, so to make it work, I would have to flip it upside down for the left side. 3 - I presume the drum brake is on the left side there somewhere? So I'd lose a drum brake (I'd have to either add a disc or use regen braking to have highway-legal 2 braking systems). 4 - The rear swingarm would have to have the right beam cut off and the new hollow thingy with the driveshaft welded in its place. No problem, I have a welder. ... Talk me out of/into this. What are the obstacles I'd need to overcome? - Is there liquid lube that would sit in the wrong spot if upside down? - Would it be infeasible/impossible to mount the wheel gear assembly on the opposite side? How mirrored is the hub? In the meantime I've been building a battery tester/charger I'll share soon and I've picked up a total of, oh, 300 lbs of lithium batteries so far. More than I'll use on the bike I think. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
5 and 8 look closest to stock On Sep 26, 2017 9:28 AM, "Richard Potter" <rpot...@anaheim.net> wrote: > #8 looks good > > > > *From:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@ > googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave duChêne > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:39 AM > *To:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical > Conversion > > > > Get ones with a long stem or you'll be looking at your arms. > > Dave > > > > > > On 26 September 2017 at 02:30, Matt Awesome <mattsawesomest...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Live vicariously through my bike. Help me pick new cheap mirrors! > > These are all under $20. I'm not necessarily looking for the best original > match, just, what you think looks best. Which would you go with? Which > would you avoid? (Also, if you have advice for mirrors, let me know, I've > never ridden and don't know what the gotchas will be, nor style things like > "Oh those are for X kind of bikes, they'd look dorky on your Nighthawk"). > I'm all ears. > > > > Some basic difference: Retangular vs Angled. Corner Stem vs. Center Stem. > > > 1 - > > > > 2 - > > > 3 - > > > 4 - > > > 5 - > > > 6 - > > > 7 - > > > 8 - > > 9 - > > > > > Or should I get bar-end mirrors? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO > WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, > CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or > agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail > or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
#8 looks good From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave duChêne Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:39 AM To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion Get ones with a long stem or you'll be looking at your arms. Dave On 26 September 2017 at 02:30, Matt Awesome <mattsawesomest...@gmail.com<mailto:mattsawesomest...@gmail.com>> wrote: Live vicariously through my bike. Help me pick new cheap mirrors! These are all under $20. I'm not necessarily looking for the best original match, just, what you think looks best. Which would you go with? Which would you avoid? (Also, if you have advice for mirrors, let me know, I've never ridden and don't know what the gotchas will be, nor style things like "Oh those are for X kind of bikes, they'd look dorky on your Nighthawk"). I'm all ears. Some basic difference: Retangular vs Angled. Corner Stem vs. Center Stem. 1 - [cid:image001.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 2 - [cid:image002.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 3 - [cid:image003.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 4 - [cid:image004.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 5 - [cid:image005.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 6 - [cid:image006.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 7 - [cid:image007.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 8 - [cid:image005.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] 9 - [cid:image008.jpg@01D33698.F41FF3E0] Or should I get bar-end mirrors? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Get ones with a long stem or you'll be looking at your arms. Dave On 26 September 2017 at 02:30, Matt Awesomewrote: > > Live vicariously through my bike. Help me pick new cheap mirrors! > > These are all under $20. I'm not necessarily looking for the best original > match, just, what you think looks best. Which would you go with? Which > would you avoid? (Also, if you have advice for mirrors, let me know, I've > never ridden and don't know what the gotchas will be, nor style things like > "Oh those are for X kind of bikes, they'd look dorky on your Nighthawk"). > I'm all ears. > > Some basic difference: Retangular vs Angled. Corner Stem vs. Center Stem. > > 1 - > > > > 2 - > > > 3 - > > > 4 - > > > 5 - > > > 6 - > > > 7 - > > > 8 - > > 9 - > > > > Or should I get bar-end mirrors? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Live vicariously through my bike. Help me pick new cheap mirrors! These are all under $20. I'm not necessarily looking for the best original match, just, what you think looks best. Which would you go with? Which would you avoid? (Also, if you have advice for mirrors, let me know, I've never ridden and don't know what the gotchas will be, nor style things like "Oh those are for X kind of bikes, they'd look dorky on your Nighthawk"). I'm all ears. Some basic difference: Retangular vs Angled. Corner Stem vs. Center Stem. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - Or should I get bar-end mirrors? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Minor progress, riding season is done though. Headlight: - Bike store quoted me $25 for a headlight. - Auto store said I choice between the $34 one and the $17 one. - Later found the cheap one for $10. License plate light: - Another $6. Pain in the ass to get to, you have to take off the license plate holder and the plate light plate from behind the rear fender to get at the screws for the lens. Works now. Tail light: - Soldered the two sets of wires together, works good now. - Tried to figure out the mystery mounting bracket and sensor and spring for the rear brake switch. Couldn't see where the bracket goes, now that I've re-checked pics I'll look again. Batteries: - Restored a bunch of batteries, but left them as-is in the tool packs rather than strip them for cells since they just needed balancing (charging) a weak pair. - Packs are 20V each and good for 50 amps draw. They have 60-100 watt hours, so, 4-6 minutes at max draw, plenty to fart around the parkade. Test Ride: - Figured 2 drill packs in series for 40V ("36v" of lead acids are actually up around 40-45v when charged, and it was a 36v forklift). - Didn't have much for wires, so, I figured 50 amps @ 40v = 2000 watts = 2.7 horsepower is enough to do a low speed test ride. And only hooked up 2 batteries total. - First 20 feet at walking speed... controller is growly at super-slow speeds but it was fine. - Accelerated to a brisk walk... let the smoke out. - Apparently pushing 700 lbs off of two little drill batteries on a 1960s controller that has no energy storage and slams power full on and full off many times a second for speed "control"... is not appreciated by little batteries. - First snow of the year later that night. So, likely, thus ends my progress towards the "Get it running and out for a ride sometime this season" goal. Kinda depressing, was looking forward to at least some validation before the winter. Oh well. Like all my projects, never quite leaves the bench. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
according to the shop manual that cable that attaches to the spring that goes from there down to the brake pedal is actually a brake light "switch" not a sensor as I was mistakenly calling it... On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:41:20 PM UTC-4, Matt Awesome wrote: > > > I used to have an 80's Honda that had a dash light that lit up and said > "Tail light" if the tail light bulb did not function. That's probably what > the tail light sensor you're talking about do > > Hrm. I do have a tail light bulb on the dash. One would think one could > just periodically pull the brake and check. I wonder how the sensor works > and what it is. It must measure the current draw to the bulb somehow, and > toggle one of the two lights. If the tail light doesn't draw power, the > dash light turns on. > > I'm pretty sure I don't have the tail light sensor anywhere. I wonder if > it's a legal requirement or just a feature of this particular bike? I.E. Am > I going to fail a safety inspection if it's not there? > > > the bars you got with it, do not look anything like those on my > 700s...evidently PO that had yours changed them... > > Odd, when I look at replacement ones or ones for sale, they look the same > to me. > > > The tail light sensor, is there to let folks know when you apply the > brake & are braking > > I'm confused. That to me describes the tail light itself, which is of > course important. Not the sensor. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Look back at that photo I took showing you the bracket you asked about & I replied that it held the tail light's sensor...it is a sensor that shows when you are actually applying the rear brake! Which is why it's attached to the spring that goes down and connects to the rear brake pedal itself, when you step on it, it in turn pulls that spring/sensor lighting up the Braking Light function of the Tail light...tail lights have 2 functions to the bulbs, just like blinkers...hope that clarifies better Same thing on any and every auto...tail lights are on when the lights are on, then when you step on the brake the light gets brighter, to show folks behind you, you've applied your brakes, that's why I call it a 'brake light sensor', not the one on the instrument panel the handle bars on my 700s are evidently 2 piece bars, 2 per side that is, there's adjustments to tilt the bars forward or back at the main stem, then half-way or so up the bars out towards the ends/grips, there's another adjustment so you can turn them in towards the tank or out and away from the tank.I'll get you some photos tomorrow. On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:41:20 PM UTC-4, Matt Awesome wrote: > > > I used to have an 80's Honda that had a dash light that lit up and said > "Tail light" if the tail light bulb did not function. That's probably what > the tail light sensor you're talking about do > > Hrm. I do have a tail light bulb on the dash. One would think one could > just periodically pull the brake and check. I wonder how the sensor works > and what it is. It must measure the current draw to the bulb somehow, and > toggle one of the two lights. If the tail light doesn't draw power, the > dash light turns on. > > I'm pretty sure I don't have the tail light sensor anywhere. I wonder if > it's a legal requirement or just a feature of this particular bike? I.E. Am > I going to fail a safety inspection if it's not there? > > > the bars you got with it, do not look anything like those on my > 700s...evidently PO that had yours changed them... > > Odd, when I look at replacement ones or ones for sale, they look the same > to me. > > > The tail light sensor, is there to let folks know when you apply the > brake & are braking > > I'm confused. That to me describes the tail light itself, which is of > course important. Not the sensor. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> I used to have an 80's Honda that had a dash light that lit up and said "Tail light" if the tail light bulb did not function. That's probably what the tail light sensor you're talking about do Hrm. I do have a tail light bulb on the dash. One would think one could just periodically pull the brake and check. I wonder how the sensor works and what it is. It must measure the current draw to the bulb somehow, and toggle one of the two lights. If the tail light doesn't draw power, the dash light turns on. I'm pretty sure I don't have the tail light sensor anywhere. I wonder if it's a legal requirement or just a feature of this particular bike? I.E. Am I going to fail a safety inspection if it's not there? > the bars you got with it, do not look anything like those on my 700s...evidently PO that had yours changed them... Odd, when I look at replacement ones or ones for sale, they look the same to me. > The tail light sensor, is there to let folks know when you apply the brake & are braking I'm confused. That to me describes the tail light itself, which is of course important. Not the sensor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Yep, that's what I surmised originally which would give the hydraulic brake hose the shortened length Sent from my iPad > On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:29 PM, geo-hawk allanwrote: > > the bars you got with it, do not look anything like those on my > 700s...evidently PO that had yours changed them... > The tail light sensor, is there to let folks know when you apply the brake & > are braking...that mounting bracket you had in the one photo is where the end > of the cable goes > >> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 5:45:59 AM UTC-4, mattsawe...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I bought my first motorbike the other day, a 750s with a partially >> disassembled (and probably broken?) motor. >> >> I am a complete novice. I don't have a bike license yet, I've never even sat >> on a motorbike before. Engines are black magic to me except the barest >> basics. For example, I didn't even known until after I'd bought it that the >> model numbers for bikes denote their CC displacement. Like I said, novice. >> Electrical things I understand better. >> >> Some have pointed out that it is quite big for a beginner bike, and quite >> large for an electrical conversion. Oh well. >> >> I've been keeping an eye out for a cheap donor bike to convert to electrical >> on the cheap (junk forklift or golf kart parts) for light commuting. But >> mostly, for a project. >> >> I have a feeling what I'm doing is sacrilege to most of you, but, for proper >> context, I got the bike for $20 total. Yes, $20... total. The reason I >> picked this bike from all others in that 15 minutes of classifies shopping >> is because... it was $20 total. It could have been any model or style of any >> bike, I'd never heard of or been able to identify a Honda from a Harley >> without reading the nameplate. I'm not a bike (or car) fan, I just had an >> idea "I want to convert an old bike with a blown motor into an electric >> bike" and then looked, and then found one being parted out. Jumped right in. >> That said, I do love how it looks and feels. >> >> The former owner tried to fix it up as a project bike but is old and retired >> and has 3 other bikes and just wanted it gone, so he'd already started >> parting it out. Exhaust and some other bits were already gone. So, please >> don't bite my head off, I've already rescued it and I haven't a hope of >> diagnosing or reassembling the motor. I can barely identify and count which >> parts are cylinders. >> >> I figured this is probably, if nothing else, different than what many of you >> have seen before. So, hopefully I can trade progress pics for advice. I'm >> pretty clueless. >> >> My first question, so I can start to plan for a motor and batteries.. Any >> idea how fast the tranny output range is, or the shaft:wheel RPM ratio, or, >> anything for me to figure out the speed I'll need to turn the shaft? (I'll >> probably throw away the motor and tranny and couple directly to the output >> shaft if the numbers ballpark correctly. Electric motors have bottomless >> torque, electric car conversions are usually started and left in 3rd gear). >> If I have to keep the tranny, I imagine it's going to be a hell of a time >> with a sawzall to cut off the motor side of things and find some way to >> interface with however the motor spinning bits turn the transmission >> spinning bits. >> >> Here she is/was: >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
figured the photos would definitely help...look forward to seeing how she turns out for you ... On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 5:13:54 PM UTC-4, Matt Awesome wrote: > > > hi matt, looking at my bike here now and you're correct as far as the > mystery piece, the flared section in the center of it is where the main > wiring harness sets between that bracket an the horn brackets mounting > plate...took some photos as best I could of mine > > Ahh, I haven't touched the wiring harness yet. Pics were very helpful, > that ended up being my best guess last night after trying all 50 different > orientations and combinations. > > > piece on the left is to hold the rear brake line in place where the > spring comes up and connects to it from below > > Weird, I would not have suspected that. The rear swingarm was about the > only thing left assembled when I bought it. The brake is still on there, > I'll have to check whether it's outright missing that piece. > > > the piece on the right looks to be the plate below the engine to protect > I think an oil line, right in front of the oil drain bolt... > > Good to know, into the junk bin. > > > fork sticks above by approximately 3/8th inch on mine > > Good to have confirmed that it's not utterly abnormal to have them > somewhere other than maxed out. > > > Speedo cable holder (plastic) snaps into the hole in front fender (left > side) > > I definitely don't have and haven't seen a piece that looks like that, so, > must not be something he kept. I'll have to fabricate my own. > > Thanks for the clear pictures, worth a thousand words. > > ... > > > Yes, you have to be missing something Matt. I still suspect wrong handle > bars > > I'm almost certain they're original, and, the bike was assembled when the > previous owner bought it to restore it, so, I'm almost certain that that > brake line and that handlebar were once connected. > > My handlebars are definitely bent. I think the bike fell on its right side > and bent them back and upward a bit. I can't see it being a whole inch, > but, maybe combined with shrugging up on the forks a bit I'll be okay. > > Plan B is, I don't need the clutch line and it's plenty long. Cut it and > put a new banjo on it, or, use a brakeline repair kit to mend the end banjo > to the proper position on the hardline. I just wanna ride the damned thing > around the parking lot for a confidence boost before I go spending more > money on it. > > ... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWznGdJADg <-- Got the throttle hooked > up to the forklift's foot pedal. Temporary, but, I just wanted to twist the > throttle and watch it spin. > > Doesn't actually spin as well as it used to, I think I got my alignment a > little off when I fabbed the brackets. I'll have to percussively tune it > with the sledgehammer. Also the throttle is cutting out often, something > wonky with the controller, might've hooked it up backwards or something, it > basically required 24v and before it was happy to at least struggle with > 12v. > > Silly thing has an acceleration limiter so you can't accelerate too hard. > Will have to see how it does with the tire down. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> hi matt, looking at my bike here now and you're correct as far as the mystery piece, the flared section in the center of it is where the main wiring harness sets between that bracket an the horn brackets mounting plate...took some photos as best I could of mine Ahh, I haven't touched the wiring harness yet. Pics were very helpful, that ended up being my best guess last night after trying all 50 different orientations and combinations. > piece on the left is to hold the rear brake line in place where the spring comes up and connects to it from below Weird, I would not have suspected that. The rear swingarm was about the only thing left assembled when I bought it. The brake is still on there, I'll have to check whether it's outright missing that piece. > the piece on the right looks to be the plate below the engine to protect I think an oil line, right in front of the oil drain bolt... Good to know, into the junk bin. > fork sticks above by approximately 3/8th inch on mine Good to have confirmed that it's not utterly abnormal to have them somewhere other than maxed out. > Speedo cable holder (plastic) snaps into the hole in front fender (left side) I definitely don't have and haven't seen a piece that looks like that, so, must not be something he kept. I'll have to fabricate my own. Thanks for the clear pictures, worth a thousand words. ... > Yes, you have to be missing something Matt. I still suspect wrong handle bars I'm almost certain they're original, and, the bike was assembled when the previous owner bought it to restore it, so, I'm almost certain that that brake line and that handlebar were once connected. My handlebars are definitely bent. I think the bike fell on its right side and bent them back and upward a bit. I can't see it being a whole inch, but, maybe combined with shrugging up on the forks a bit I'll be okay. Plan B is, I don't need the clutch line and it's plenty long. Cut it and put a new banjo on it, or, use a brakeline repair kit to mend the end banjo to the proper position on the hardline. I just wanna ride the damned thing around the parking lot for a confidence boost before I go spending more money on it. ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWznGdJADg <-- Got the throttle hooked up to the forklift's foot pedal. Temporary, but, I just wanted to twist the throttle and watch it spin. Doesn't actually spin as well as it used to, I think I got my alignment a little off when I fabbed the brackets. I'll have to percussively tune it with the sledgehammer. Also the throttle is cutting out often, something wonky with the controller, might've hooked it up backwards or something, it basically required 24v and before it was happy to at least struggle with 12v. Silly thing has an acceleration limiter so you can't accelerate too hard. Will have to see how it does with the tire down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Yes, you have to be missing something Matt. I still suspect wrong handle bars On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:34 AM Graham Rogerswrote: > > Show us pics of your right hand controls., the brake reservoir and hose > and banjo bolt. The brake line should drop downward immediately from the > reservoir, not out horizontal. > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:04 AM Matt Awesome > wrote: > >> > Your forks look to be in the right position, flush with the top of the >> > opening >> >> Crap. That was my best guess to fix it. >> >> > Have you tried running the top hose in front of the fork? >> >> Yeah, same difference. >> >> If it was too long, not a big deal, cut it and it's only one bolt, >> but, ugh, I don't want to spend the money on two new banjos and hose. >> The whole point of the build is to be cheap, not nice :p >> >> Maybe I'm missing something, I'm going to have another look. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Show us pics of your right hand controls., the brake reservoir and hose and banjo bolt. The brake line should drop downward immediately from the reservoir, not out horizontal. On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:04 AM Matt Awesomewrote: > > Your forks look to be in the right position, flush with the top of the > > opening > > Crap. That was my best guess to fix it. > > > Have you tried running the top hose in front of the fork? > > Yeah, same difference. > > If it was too long, not a big deal, cut it and it's only one bolt, > but, ugh, I don't want to spend the money on two new banjos and hose. > The whole point of the build is to be cheap, not nice :p > > Maybe I'm missing something, I'm going to have another look. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Your forks look to be in the right position, flush with the top of the > opening Crap. That was my best guess to fix it. > Have you tried running the top hose in front of the fork? Yeah, same difference. If it was too long, not a big deal, cut it and it's only one bolt, but, ugh, I don't want to spend the money on two new banjos and hose. The whole point of the build is to be cheap, not nice :p Maybe I'm missing something, I'm going to have another look. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
I measure mine tonight but I do not have e-mail at home Have you tried running the top hose in front of the fork? From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Rogers Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 3:08 PM To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion Your forks look to be in the right position, flush with the top of the opening On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:01 PM Matt Awesome <mattsawesomest...@gmail.com<mailto:mattsawesomest...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Are the bleeders on the top of your calipers? > If not they are upside down Good guess, but no, calipers are on correctly. That would only affect the lower lines. It's the upper line that's too short. I don't think it's coincidence that the lower is an inch too long, and the upper an inch too short. Hence why I'm thinking the fork-to-frame is clamped at the wrong height, but I don't want to go messing with streeting/suspension geometry if that doesn't match the rest of you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Your forks look to be in the right position, flush with the top of the opening On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:01 PM Matt Awesomewrote: > > Are the bleeders on the top of your calipers? > > If not they are upside down > > Good guess, but no, calipers are on correctly. > > That would only affect the lower lines. It's the upper line that's too > short. > > I don't think it's coincidence that the lower is an inch too long, and > the upper an inch too short. Hence why I'm thinking the fork-to-frame > is clamped at the wrong height, but I don't want to go messing with > streeting/suspension geometry if that doesn't match the rest of you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Are the bleeders on the top of your calipers? > If not they are upside down Good guess, but no, calipers are on correctly. That would only affect the lower lines. It's the upper line that's too short. I don't think it's coincidence that the lower is an inch too long, and the upper an inch too short. Hence why I'm thinking the fork-to-frame is clamped at the wrong height, but I don't want to go messing with streeting/suspension geometry if that doesn't match the rest of you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Are the bleeders on the top of your calipers? If not they are upside down From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Awesome Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 2:27 PM To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion > Matt, do you have the original handlebars on the bike? From what I can see, > it doesn't look like it. Take a pic so we can see. As far as I know they are, he didn't modify anything else. It's the brake line that was on the bike when he took it apart, so, makes sense it should go back where it was. Unless he bought a new one and didn't get around to testing it. But, I doubt it, since it's a little bit bent (not enough to account for an inch worth of difference though). Do my fork measurements seem off-base with anyone else's? I'll probably adjust them down to make it fit, rather than dump another $40 on another brake line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Matt, do you have the original handlebars on the bike? From what I can see, it doesn't look like it. Take a pic so we can see. As far as I know they are, he didn't modify anything else. It's the brake line that was on the bike when he took it apart, so, makes sense it should go back where it was. Unless he bought a new one and didn't get around to testing it. But, I doubt it, since it's a little bit bent (not enough to account for an inch worth of difference though). Do my fork measurements seem off-base with anyone else's? I'll probably adjust them down to make it fit, rather than dump another $40 on another brake line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Ok On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 2:14 PM Matt Awesomewrote: > I'll message you off-list so we don't clutter everyone's inboxes. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
I'll message you off-list so we don't clutter everyone's inboxes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
I have found another bracket ut it may be the same side. Yes I found a headlight lens and dash (instrument panel?) panel I think. Do you have the white plastic clips that go on the headlight lens, and the 6 inch cable? Address? Matt, any response to the mounting bracket measurements? > > Nope, none yet. > > > I have boxes of 700S parts and rummaging through them found the bracket > that has the 6 inch retaining cable attached. I will send it to you. > > Ahh, that's what that cable is. Saw it in the service manual, and I > see the clip for it on the left side, makes sense now. > > That's very kind of you. This community is so supportive :). Don't > suppose you have a spare headlight lens you'd want to sell me? Or the > clear plastic from the dash? Anything I could send you back? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Matt, any response to the mounting bracket measurements? Nope, none yet. > I have boxes of 700S parts and rummaging through them found the bracket that > has the 6 inch retaining cable attached. I will send it to you. Ahh, that's what that cable is. Saw it in the service manual, and I see the clip for it on the left side, makes sense now. That's very kind of you. This community is so supportive :). Don't suppose you have a spare headlight lens you'd want to sell me? Or the clear plastic from the dash? Anything I could send you back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Matt, any response to the mounting bracket measurements? I have boxes of 700S parts and rummaging through them found the bracket that has the 6 inch retaining cable attached. I will send it to you. This afternoon I will go through the boxes and see if I can find the other one. I need to sort this stuff. It all came from a fellow Nighthawk owner I bought my Nighthawk from. I have boxes of parts, not the plastics or engine but most other parts, Graham some more documenting, but in the meantime, if anyone might be able to do me a favor > > Kyle traded me for his front cowling. The guy who bought the cowling off > my bike before I bought the carcass took the mounting brackets for the > cowling. Took me forever to figure out how it's supposed to mount, since > the bracket it mounts to has bolts going in 90 degrees from where the > cowling bolts are. The service manual doesn't really show that in the > assembly blowout. > > Found an interior shot of someone else's cowling for reference... > > > > If anyone would mind taking those measurements for me, I'd appreciate it > so I can fabricate my own brackets from some scrap steel. > > A - If you square up along the center lines of the two mounting bolts, how > far between the second one and the 90 degree bend? > > B - How long is the bend? > > C - If you square up along the center lines of the two mounting bolts, how > far is the offset to the center of the 90-degree bolt? > > Bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nUDLOZH9Ys > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Doing some more documenting, but in the meantime, if anyone might be able to do me a favor Kyle traded me for his front cowling. The guy who bought the cowling off my bike before I bought the carcass took the mounting brackets for the cowling. Took me forever to figure out how it's supposed to mount, since the bracket it mounts to has bolts going in 90 degrees from where the cowling bolts are. The service manual doesn't really show that in the assembly blowout. Found an interior shot of someone else's cowling for reference... If anyone would mind taking those measurements for me, I'd appreciate it so I can fabricate my own brackets from some scrap steel. A - If you square up along the center lines of the two mounting bolts, how far between the second one and the 90 degree bend? B - How long is the bend? C - If you square up along the center lines of the two mounting bolts, how far is the offset to the center of the 90-degree bolt? Bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nUDLOZH9Ys -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
You can find out compatibility by looking up the part numbers on a site like Partzilla. The part# for the 700S headlight is 33120-MJ1-670, so you you have to find one on another bike with the same center code "MJ1". Now you can search the other similar models on Partzilla to find one that uses that same center code. The head light for the Interceptor doesn't, and Partzilla only lists that part as being used on the 84-86 CB700SC, but others may fit with some persuasion. -Kyle On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Matt Awesomewrote: > > When I buy insurance all they ask for is the VIN, no questions about the > motor or any modifications, just give them the VIN and $60 gets me full > coverage. Maybe that's a US vs CA thing.the same umbrella. > > You get insurance for $60? *scowls at you all south of the border* > > So, you get to ride year-round, putting on 4x the miles we do... and > insurance costs 10% of what ours does. > > > Oh, and you're welcome, hopefully that busted fairing helps you out > > Thanks again. > > Does anyone happen to know whether the headlight lens (the rectangular > thing that isn't the actual filament) for the CB700 matches the headlight > for the VF700 (Interceptor vs. Nighthawk) from those early 80s models? > Headlight lenses for the Interceptors are like, 1/4 the price and available > everywhere. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> When I buy insurance all they ask for is the VIN, no questions about the motor or any modifications, just give them the VIN and $60 gets me full coverage. Maybe that's a US vs CA thing.the same umbrella. You get insurance for $60? *scowls at you all south of the border* So, you get to ride year-round, putting on 4x the miles we do... and insurance costs 10% of what ours does. > Oh, and you're welcome, hopefully that busted fairing helps you out Thanks again. Does anyone happen to know whether the headlight lens (the rectangular thing that isn't the actual filament) for the CB700 matches the headlight for the VF700 (Interceptor vs. Nighthawk) from those early 80s models? Headlight lenses for the Interceptors are like, 1/4 the price and available everywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
When I buy insurance all they ask for is the VIN, no questions about the motor or any modifications, just give them the VIN and $60 gets me full coverage. Maybe that's a US vs CA thing. Oh, and you're welcome, hopefully that busted fairing helps you out -Kyle On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Matt Awesomewrote: > No new pics. Mostly a week of paperwork and phone calls. Fabbed some new > motor mounts. Did some embarrassing welding, first time I've welded in 5 > years (and I've welded maybe an hour total). > > Got the alignment sorted pretty good I think, doesn't clunk at all and I > cranked it as fast as it'd go on 12v without issues. It's so quiet, even > for an electric motor. It's less noisy than a bicycle. > > One of you (haven't asked if it's okay to say who) was kind enough to give > me a wrecked front fender thing I was missing. In exchange I'm sending back > the coils and the aluminum Honda coverplates. It's cracked in half but I > can probably do some fiberglass repair or, at the very least, use it as a > guide to fab my own from sheet metal. So, thanks a bunch to that member :), > > 3 questions bike-wise, if anyone has knowledge: > > I need: > - A rectangular headlight lens. And the headlight... bulb I'll just buy, > but what about the lens? I'm not even peripherally aware of what the usual > shopping places are for bike parts. Do I buy a used original? Is there a > replica supply place? Cheap LED ones from China? Make one from plastic? DOT > requirements? Plan A is to drop $20+shipping off Ebay. > > - Brake lines looks like I could go to any auto shop, but, is there a > better place to go to get that done? It's looking like it'll be $80 for the > pair. Old ones from Ebay for $40-ish and just buy new one-time washers for > the banjos. > > - Tires. I could just go to a store, but is there a cheaper/better place > to go buy tires? Particular online stores you'd recommend? I hear people > derogatorily refer to how someone put on "cheapest chinese tire they could > find" and I'm thinking "Aha! A cheap chinese tire, sounds perfect, where do > I get one of those?" > > ... > > Insurance is a bit of a struggle. I was warned, but I kind of brushed it > off until now. Reasons I can't be insured various places: > - Not off the shelf. > - Electric? Sorry. > - 30+ years old? Doesn't matter the value, no. > - Did any work on it yourself? No. > > Unintuitively, I get better luck with places that don't normally do bike > insurance, but have some anyway just so their customers with car/home/etc > insurance can be under the same umbrella. They don't have as many questions > that rule me out, so I've made it farther into the process that way. > > The only one I've found who'll insure (so far, and they may still turn me > down when they ask more questions) insists on comprehensive, not just > liability, for $500/year. Which, for how short the Canadian riding season > is, probably wouldn't even save me anything on gas to switch over for the > commute. I mean, I'll do it anyways so that I can ride, but, it's not fun. > > One broker suggested I get a letter from the manufacturer describing the > conversion and then call back. Honda wouldn't go near that, if it's not in > a book they can look up they will not offer an opinion, even a negative > opinion to say "Do not alter the following components" just so the > insurance company had something to narrow it to. > > Some hundreds of guys have done conversions, makes me wonder how they're > getting insurance. Maybe existing policies and brokers wanting to keep > customers? > > There's a dangerous chicken and egg thing. Many places say "Tell us what > you've done and we'll tell you whether we'll insure and what the rates will > be", and I'm like "No, what I do depends on whether you'll insure it and > what the rates would be. I don't want to do anything I can't take back." > Back and forth, they want me to do something that someone else requires me > to have insurance before they can give me that step. Bit of a pain. > > ... > > Good news on registration: > - it is not (reported as? :P) stolen, nice to have that confirmed. > - it is not from out of province (requiring a $150 "out of province > inspection" where shops do their best to find everything wrong because you > have to pay for another inspection unless you also hire them to do the > work). > - it does not have any registration flags (salvage from a crash, never > repair due to critical damage, etc). > > So, reg wise, $50 for a plate and I'm good. If I change anything (moped to > motorcycle, power, whatever), $9 to modify the title. Cheap cheap. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
No new pics. Mostly a week of paperwork and phone calls. Fabbed some new motor mounts. Did some embarrassing welding, first time I've welded in 5 years (and I've welded maybe an hour total). Got the alignment sorted pretty good I think, doesn't clunk at all and I cranked it as fast as it'd go on 12v without issues. It's so quiet, even for an electric motor. It's less noisy than a bicycle. One of you (haven't asked if it's okay to say who) was kind enough to give me a wrecked front fender thing I was missing. In exchange I'm sending back the coils and the aluminum Honda coverplates. It's cracked in half but I can probably do some fiberglass repair or, at the very least, use it as a guide to fab my own from sheet metal. So, thanks a bunch to that member :), 3 questions bike-wise, if anyone has knowledge: I need: - A rectangular headlight lens. And the headlight... bulb I'll just buy, but what about the lens? I'm not even peripherally aware of what the usual shopping places are for bike parts. Do I buy a used original? Is there a replica supply place? Cheap LED ones from China? Make one from plastic? DOT requirements? Plan A is to drop $20+shipping off Ebay. - Brake lines looks like I could go to any auto shop, but, is there a better place to go to get that done? It's looking like it'll be $80 for the pair. Old ones from Ebay for $40-ish and just buy new one-time washers for the banjos. - Tires. I could just go to a store, but is there a cheaper/better place to go buy tires? Particular online stores you'd recommend? I hear people derogatorily refer to how someone put on "cheapest chinese tire they could find" and I'm thinking "Aha! A cheap chinese tire, sounds perfect, where do I get one of those?" ... Insurance is a bit of a struggle. I was warned, but I kind of brushed it off until now. Reasons I can't be insured various places: - Not off the shelf. - Electric? Sorry. - 30+ years old? Doesn't matter the value, no. - Did any work on it yourself? No. Unintuitively, I get better luck with places that don't normally do bike insurance, but have some anyway just so their customers with car/home/etc insurance can be under the same umbrella. They don't have as many questions that rule me out, so I've made it farther into the process that way. The only one I've found who'll insure (so far, and they may still turn me down when they ask more questions) insists on comprehensive, not just liability, for $500/year. Which, for how short the Canadian riding season is, probably wouldn't even save me anything on gas to switch over for the commute. I mean, I'll do it anyways so that I can ride, but, it's not fun. One broker suggested I get a letter from the manufacturer describing the conversion and then call back. Honda wouldn't go near that, if it's not in a book they can look up they will not offer an opinion, even a negative opinion to say "Do not alter the following components" just so the insurance company had something to narrow it to. Some hundreds of guys have done conversions, makes me wonder how they're getting insurance. Maybe existing policies and brokers wanting to keep customers? There's a dangerous chicken and egg thing. Many places say "Tell us what you've done and we'll tell you whether we'll insure and what the rates will be", and I'm like "No, what I do depends on whether you'll insure it and what the rates would be. I don't want to do anything I can't take back." Back and forth, they want me to do something that someone else requires me to have insurance before they can give me that step. Bit of a pain. ... Good news on registration: - it is not (reported as? :P) stolen, nice to have that confirmed. - it is not from out of province (requiring a $150 "out of province inspection" where shops do their best to find everything wrong because you have to pay for another inspection unless you also hire them to do the work). - it does not have any registration flags (salvage from a crash, never repair due to critical damage, etc). So, reg wise, $50 for a plate and I'm good. If I change anything (moped to motorcycle, power, whatever), $9 to modify the title. Cheap cheap. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Well, I half-assed the alignment. Tranny mount points were in the way so I have to go at it with an angle grinder to even test fit it, and I didn't have one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xwZYSkW70 <-- It spins, however clunkily. Speed controller ain't happy soft starting with the u-joint elbowed either. But, the motor which I will be using, is spinning the driveshaft assembly as I'll be using it. Milestones and all. Breaker on the battery charger tripped after about 5 seconds, as it does. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
You are indeed a determined shade tree mechanic! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
> Have you thought about a swivel socket. May be able to find right ODs No, I definitely don't want a pair of U-joints in there, and I don't want any more trouble mating to the driveshaft. I saw a guy once who used a swivel socket and just welded the back end of one to his driveshaft, not caring about the splines and such. But the U-joint is actually fairly beefy and obviously designed for the load. http://www.evalbum.com/2057 <-- Pics you can click along the right. I mean, if that's what I want to do, I could just weld up any shaft to any other shaft. Which I'm also tempted to do. But it's a drive component and I'm a crappy welder, so I worry about it being brittle (hardened shaft) and shattering. Either way I have to machine or weld something. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Have you thought about a swivel socket May be able to find right ODs From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Awesome Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:52 PM To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion Well, kinda stumped. Wishing I had access to my old shop with a metal lathe, tormach, etc. I need to mate the motor to the U-Joint. 2 choices: 1 - Use the tranny output to the U-joint, and make the other end match the motor. All I have to do is cut the shaft into a slot. Easy. But I can't get the damned hypoid gear off. I don't have a heedruuluk press anymore. And I need to shorten it, the motor barely fits in the frame. 2 - Use the motor output, make the other end match the U-joint. It's a lot harder to cut splines, but the motor side is all done. Sadly the pump shaft is too small for the U-joint. The whole housing also needs to be cut. I can't get Option #1 to work, so, here's my plan for Option #2: [cid:image001.jpg@01D30C63.2C7E80E0] - Chop away half the depth of the pump housing, leaving only the flange and bearing housing for the shaft that mates to the motor. Hacksaw/grinder. - Take the old pump thing (vane carrier?) that splines onto the pump shaft, grind it down to the size of the tranny shaft (might just use the motor as its own lathe)... then try to re-create the U-Joint splines with a dremel. So, all this vane carrier does is embiggen the motor shaft. - Extend the interior motor shaft splines closer to the motor with a dremel, so I can shorten things up by about an inch. It's really ghetto, but I've had it stewing for a couple weeks and it's the best I can come up with. Anyone see an easier way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com<mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1985 Nighthawk 750S Electrical Conversion
Yes. Those tires are toast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.