RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay East Pond Water Level 2019 & Nickerson sandpiper ID

[Grover, Bob]

Having worked as a wetland delineator for the past four-plus decades, slogging 
through mud has become too much more like work than recreation, so I have 
largely stopped going to the East Pond, However, on my past few visits I have 
seen green paint-colored water in the pond, and the likely culprit is the 
cyanobacterium Microcystis, which is highly toxic, at least to mammals.  
Unfortunately, it has become prevalent during warm weather in fresh and 
brackish water bodies throughout Long Island and beyond.  Could the shorebirds 
be favoring the cleaner tidal waters and mudflats of the adjacent bay instead 
of the pond?
Bob Grover

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From: bounce-123728941-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Angus Wilson
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 11:51 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay East Pond Water Level 2019 & Nickerson 
sandpiper ID

Andrew,

Thanks once again for your updates on this important shorebird site and tactful 
dialogue with the refuge staff. My impression is that the East Pond has 
declined significantly over the years as a shorebird feeding and roosting site. 
There could be many many reasons (assuming the data fits this personal 
impression) but I wonder if the pond doesn't need a more extensive spring clean 
so to speak? Maintaining this type of habitat (often called scapes) is a fairly 
advanced science involving periodic draining, freshwater flushing and 
remodeling. Shorebird focused refuges often construct multiple impoundments to 
allow some to be kept flooded whilst others are drained and then refilled. 
Similarly, isolated roost islands or shingle bars need to be maintained so that 
birds can sit out the high tide undisturbed. The Raunt, for example, has 
crumbled away and is now barely separated from the eastern margin. It used to 
be the most important site on the pond. Drawing down the water level on 
schedule is one thing but maybe more needed? I appreciate the Park Service and 
the refuge are under tight fiscal constraints but maybe birders can help 
through fundraising, donations of materials or if necessary, with manual labor. 
 Has anyone sampled invertebrates in the surface mud to monitor productivity?

I wanted to share with anyone interested, an an update on the water level on 
the East Pond at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, Queens Co.
Unfortunately, the news is not good. The water is quite high. On the South End 
which is the where the first bit of mudflats would begin to show, the water is 
right up to the phragmites on the edge of the trail before you turn right to 
access the last bit heading towards the pond.
Based on my record keeping of water level and dates, we are once again behind 
on schedule. I do not see any kind of flats opening up until August.
No doubt, the weather has not helped with the excessive rainfall but I have a 
hard time reconciling why we seem to have a repeat of the same situation - it 
seems year after year.

Changing subject slightly, I'm puzzled about the BAIRD's SANDPIPER reported 
from Nickerson Beach (Nassau Co.) yesterday. The few photos I've seen are 
marginal (seemingly distant and partly obscured by grasses) but are suggestive 
of an adult alternate plumaged Baird's/White-rumped Sandpiper. However, the 
descriptions in several eBird checklists are either inconclusive or strongly 
suggestive of White-rumped Sandpiper. I don't think leg color is useful (both 
should be blackish) and at least two reports mention a white-rump, which of 
course is damning for Baird's! Not sure anyone commented on the color of the 
lower mandible at the base. Did the dryish habitat play a part in the ID?

Was wondering if there are better photos or if observers have changed their 
minds after reviewing online photos and other reference materials?

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay East Pond Water Level 2019 & Nickerson sandpiper ID

[Grover, Bob]

Having worked as a wetland delineator for the past four-plus decades, slogging 
through mud has become too much more like work than recreation, so I have 
largely stopped going to the East Pond, However, on my past few visits I have 
seen green paint-colored water in the pond, and the likely culprit is the 
cyanobacterium Microcystis, which is highly toxic, at least to mammals.  
Unfortunately, it has become prevalent during warm weather in fresh and 
brackish water bodies throughout Long Island and beyond.  Could the shorebirds 
be favoring the cleaner tidal waters and mudflats of the adjacent bay instead 
of the pond?
Bob Grover

[cid:image001.png@01D53563.96974C70]
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From: bounce-123728941-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Angus Wilson
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 11:51 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay East Pond Water Level 2019 & Nickerson 
sandpiper ID

Andrew,

Thanks once again for your updates on this important shorebird site and tactful 
dialogue with the refuge staff. My impression is that the East Pond has 
declined significantly over the years as a shorebird feeding and roosting site. 
There could be many many reasons (assuming the data fits this personal 
impression) but I wonder if the pond doesn't need a more extensive spring clean 
so to speak? Maintaining this type of habitat (often called scapes) is a fairly 
advanced science involving periodic draining, freshwater flushing and 
remodeling. Shorebird focused refuges often construct multiple impoundments to 
allow some to be kept flooded whilst others are drained and then refilled. 
Similarly, isolated roost islands or shingle bars need to be maintained so that 
birds can sit out the high tide undisturbed. The Raunt, for example, has 
crumbled away and is now barely separated from the eastern margin. It used to 
be the most important site on the pond. Drawing down the water level on 
schedule is one thing but maybe more needed? I appreciate the Park Service and 
the refuge are under tight fiscal constraints but maybe birders can help 
through fundraising, donations of materials or if necessary, with manual labor. 
 Has anyone sampled invertebrates in the surface mud to monitor productivity?

I wanted to share with anyone interested, an an update on the water level on 
the East Pond at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, Queens Co.
Unfortunately, the news is not good. The water is quite high. On the South End 
which is the where the first bit of mudflats would begin to show, the water is 
right up to the phragmites on the edge of the trail before you turn right to 
access the last bit heading towards the pond.
Based on my record keeping of water level and dates, we are once again behind 
on schedule. I do not see any kind of flats opening up until August.
No doubt, the weather has not helped with the excessive rainfall but I have a 
hard time reconciling why we seem to have a repeat of the same situation - it 
seems year after year.

Changing subject slightly, I'm puzzled about the BAIRD's SANDPIPER reported 
from Nickerson Beach (Nassau Co.) yesterday. The few photos I've seen are 
marginal (seemingly distant and partly obscured by grasses) but are suggestive 
of an adult alternate plumaged Baird's/White-rumped Sandpiper. However, the 
descriptions in several eBird checklists are either inconclusive or strongly 
suggestive of White-rumped Sandpiper. I don't think leg color is useful (both 
should be blackish) and at least two reports mention a white-rump, which of 
course is damning for Baird's! Not sure anyone commented on the color of the 
lower mandible at the base. Did the dryish habitat play a part in the ID?

Was wondering if there are better photos or if observers have changed their 
minds after reviewing online photos and other reference materials?

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New York City
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pacific Loon at Robert Moses State Park (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

7:00 to 7:30. No loons at all. Some LBB Gulls on the beach, lots of juvie gans, 
all e to w (retro?) and the expected terns . Also lots of dolphins, also e/w.
Bob Grover

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> On May 30, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Ken Feustel  wrote:
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> A breeding-plumaged Pacific Loon is now being seen in the water off RMSP 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pacific Loon at Robert Moses State Park (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

7:00 to 7:30. No loons at all. Some LBB Gulls on the beach, lots of juvie gans, 
all e to w (retro?) and the expected terns . Also lots of dolphins, also e/w.
Bob Grover

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Ken Feustel  wrote:
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RE: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of "Robert the Wrong"

[Grover, Bob]

Lord Jim, I mean Mike, I had no idea.

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From: Michael Cooper 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:54 PM
To: Grover, Bob 
Cc: Shaibal Mitra ; NYSBIRDS 
(NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"

No- That’s Joseph Conrad of Wild Wild West Africa fame!

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Is that Robert Conrad, of Wild Wild West fame? 



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From: 
bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu>
 
mailto:bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>>
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>) 
mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"


“Birding in March is going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk 
glorious disappointment”

Or as Conrad might have put it:

“It was written I should be loyal to the nightmare of my choice. “

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
Dear Bob and all,

It might be a small comfort to you to know that all of us reading your note 
have endured this sort of pain. Back on 30 Dec, Pat and I were among the first 
responders for the Downsville Golden-crowned Sparrow, and all of us dipped that 
afternoon. She and I then suffered further torment when work and travel 
prevented us from trying again, even as the bird’s early morning routine was 
worked out and exploited by many, many of our friends. Our next opportunity to 
try didn’t come until 18 Jan, the morning after we returned from Ecuador. Like 
you, we set the alarm for the middle of the night and drove. We were lucky to 
see it.

But win or lose, I’m convinced that chasing rare birds is a vice. It’s not such 
a bad one that I intend to give it up, but, for me at least, it always feels 
better when I make an effort to atone for my indulgence in bird-chasing. One of 
the forms of penance I impose on myself involves writing the Spring Season 
report for the Hudson-Delaware region (New York State, New Jersey, and 
Delaware), for North American Birds. Reading your note immediately reminded me 
of this ordeal—and of a possible way to escape (at least temporarily) from the 
Dark Side.

In tracking the dates of last occurrence of over-wintering songbird rarities, I 
have noticed that a large percentage of long-staying Varied Thrushes, Harris’s 
Sparrows, Western Tanagers, Painted Buntings, etc. depart from their feeding 
stations in mid March. In parallel, many first detections of such birds also 
tend to occur in mid March to early April, seemingly much earlier than their 
“normal” migration periods. I interpret these discoveries as representing birds 
that wintered undetected or unreported nearby, but which, once having started 
roaming around, have been encountered by those pious/masochistic souls who 
manage to force themselves to go birding during March. Birding in March is 
going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk glorious disappointment!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

Subject: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of 
"Robert the Wrong"

Date: 03/27/19 02:04:21 AM

From: "robert adamo" mailto:radamo4...@gmail.com>>

To: "NY BIRDS" mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>

"Robert the Right", after seeking the current status of the Golden-Crowned 
Sparrow on this listserve, made the correct decision to pursue the bird on 
Wednesday, 3/20/19, and was rewarded in fortuitous fashion !  "R the R", of 
course, is Robert Lewis, and I congratulate him for his conviction, his effort, 
and his success !

While reading of "R the R,s" good fortune, "Robert the Wrong", decided to reach 
for the "brass ring" and so on the following Sunday, 3/24/19, he headed upstate 
toward the town of Downsville ! Leaving from Riverhead, L.I. at 0330, alone 
(after striking out trying to gather some company for this long trip) "R the W" 
arrived on Depot St..at ~ 0715, finding Lance Verderame at the scene ! We had 
never met before, but were both aware of the other because of our contributions 
to this listserve, as well as leading some NYSYBC field trips. It was then that 
I learned of Lance's being the original finder of the GCSP, and looked at this 
development as a "god

RE: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of "Robert the Wrong"

[Grover, Bob]

Lord Jim, I mean Mike, I had no idea.

[cid:image001.png@01D4E4A5.00DC6E90]

Bob Grover
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An Equal Opportunity Employer


From: Michael Cooper 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:54 PM
To: Grover, Bob 
Cc: Shaibal Mitra ; NYSBIRDS 
(NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"

No- That’s Joseph Conrad of Wild Wild West Africa fame!

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Is that Robert Conrad, of Wild Wild West fame? 



Bob Grover
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An Equal Opportunity Employer


From: 
bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu>
 
mailto:bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>>
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>) 
mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"


“Birding in March is going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk 
glorious disappointment”

Or as Conrad might have put it:

“It was written I should be loyal to the nightmare of my choice. “

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
Dear Bob and all,

It might be a small comfort to you to know that all of us reading your note 
have endured this sort of pain. Back on 30 Dec, Pat and I were among the first 
responders for the Downsville Golden-crowned Sparrow, and all of us dipped that 
afternoon. She and I then suffered further torment when work and travel 
prevented us from trying again, even as the bird’s early morning routine was 
worked out and exploited by many, many of our friends. Our next opportunity to 
try didn’t come until 18 Jan, the morning after we returned from Ecuador. Like 
you, we set the alarm for the middle of the night and drove. We were lucky to 
see it.

But win or lose, I’m convinced that chasing rare birds is a vice. It’s not such 
a bad one that I intend to give it up, but, for me at least, it always feels 
better when I make an effort to atone for my indulgence in bird-chasing. One of 
the forms of penance I impose on myself involves writing the Spring Season 
report for the Hudson-Delaware region (New York State, New Jersey, and 
Delaware), for North American Birds. Reading your note immediately reminded me 
of this ordeal—and of a possible way to escape (at least temporarily) from the 
Dark Side.

In tracking the dates of last occurrence of over-wintering songbird rarities, I 
have noticed that a large percentage of long-staying Varied Thrushes, Harris’s 
Sparrows, Western Tanagers, Painted Buntings, etc. depart from their feeding 
stations in mid March. In parallel, many first detections of such birds also 
tend to occur in mid March to early April, seemingly much earlier than their 
“normal” migration periods. I interpret these discoveries as representing birds 
that wintered undetected or unreported nearby, but which, once having started 
roaming around, have been encountered by those pious/masochistic souls who 
manage to force themselves to go birding during March. Birding in March is 
going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk glorious disappointment!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

Subject: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of 
"Robert the Wrong"

Date: 03/27/19 02:04:21 AM

From: "robert adamo" mailto:radamo4...@gmail.com>>

To: "NY BIRDS" mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>

"Robert the Right", after seeking the current status of the Golden-Crowned 
Sparrow on this listserve, made the correct decision to pursue the bird on 
Wednesday, 3/20/19, and was rewarded in fortuitous fashion !  "R the R", of 
course, is Robert Lewis, and I congratulate him for his conviction, his effort, 
and his success !

While reading of "R the R,s" good fortune, "Robert the Wrong", decided to reach 
for the "brass ring" and so on the following Sunday, 3/24/19, he headed upstate 
toward the town of Downsville ! Leaving from Riverhead, L.I. at 0330, alone 
(after striking out trying to gather some company for this long trip) "R the W" 
arrived on Depot St..at ~ 0715, finding Lance Verderame at the scene ! We had 
never met before, but were both aware of the other because of our contributions 
to this listserve, as well as leading some NYSYBC field trips. It was then that 
I learned of Lance's being the original finder of the GCSP, and looked at this 
development as a "god

RE: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of "Robert the Wrong"

[Grover, Bob]

Is that Robert Conrad, of Wild Wild West fame? 

[cid:image001.png@01D4E49C.7D373C30]

Bob Grover
d +1 (631) 761-7369 | c +1 (516) 318-8536
An Equal Opportunity Employer


From: bounce-123467217-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"


“Birding in March is going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk 
glorious disappointment”

Or as Conrad might have put it:

“It was written I should be loyal to the nightmare of my choice. “

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
Dear Bob and all,

It might be a small comfort to you to know that all of us reading your note 
have endured this sort of pain. Back on 30 Dec, Pat and I were among the first 
responders for the Downsville Golden-crowned Sparrow, and all of us dipped that 
afternoon. She and I then suffered further torment when work and travel 
prevented us from trying again, even as the bird’s early morning routine was 
worked out and exploited by many, many of our friends. Our next opportunity to 
try didn’t come until 18 Jan, the morning after we returned from Ecuador. Like 
you, we set the alarm for the middle of the night and drove. We were lucky to 
see it.

But win or lose, I’m convinced that chasing rare birds is a vice. It’s not such 
a bad one that I intend to give it up, but, for me at least, it always feels 
better when I make an effort to atone for my indulgence in bird-chasing. One of 
the forms of penance I impose on myself involves writing the Spring Season 
report for the Hudson-Delaware region (New York State, New Jersey, and 
Delaware), for North American Birds. Reading your note immediately reminded me 
of this ordeal—and of a possible way to escape (at least temporarily) from the 
Dark Side.

In tracking the dates of last occurrence of over-wintering songbird rarities, I 
have noticed that a large percentage of long-staying Varied Thrushes, Harris’s 
Sparrows, Western Tanagers, Painted Buntings, etc. depart from their feeding 
stations in mid March. In parallel, many first detections of such birds also 
tend to occur in mid March to early April, seemingly much earlier than their 
“normal” migration periods. I interpret these discoveries as representing birds 
that wintered undetected or unreported nearby, but which, once having started 
roaming around, have been encountered by those pious/masochistic souls who 
manage to force themselves to go birding during March. Birding in March is 
going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk glorious disappointment!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

Subject: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of 
"Robert the Wrong"

Date: 03/27/19 02:04:21 AM

From: "robert adamo" mailto:radamo4...@gmail.com>>

To: "NY BIRDS" mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>

"Robert the Right", after seeking the current status of the Golden-Crowned 
Sparrow on this listserve, made the correct decision to pursue the bird on 
Wednesday, 3/20/19, and was rewarded in fortuitous fashion !  "R the R", of 
course, is Robert Lewis, and I congratulate him for his conviction, his effort, 
and his success !

While reading of "R the R,s" good fortune, "Robert the Wrong", decided to reach 
for the "brass ring" and so on the following Sunday, 3/24/19, he headed upstate 
toward the town of Downsville ! Leaving from Riverhead, L.I. at 0330, alone 
(after striking out trying to gather some company for this long trip) "R the W" 
arrived on Depot St..at ~ 0715, finding Lance Verderame at the scene ! We had 
never met before, but were both aware of the other because of our contributions 
to this listserve, as well as leading some NYSYBC field trips. It was then that 
I learned of Lance's being the original finder of the GCSP, and looked at this 
development as a "godsend"...but I was wrong !  Although there was ample bird 
activity, including 2 Bald Eagles, the sparrow was a no-show. I believe Lance 
left at ~ 1030, while I finally left at 1300.

After seeing "R the R's" post re: the GCSP, I contacted John Haas, who provided 
additional info. on the bird, besides giving me info. on 3 good spots to find 
Evening Grosbeak and C.Redpolls. On my way home, I stopped at all of them, 
finding Redpolls at each, and Grosbeaks at none. I made it home by 1940, a long 
day, that while seeing 1 of 2 species not seen earlier this season, I did not 
get the 1 species I have not seen ever !

Cheers,
Bob, aka "R the "W"
P.S...Thanks again, John and Lance





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RE: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of "Robert the Wrong"

[Grover, Bob]

Is that Robert Conrad, of Wild Wild West fame? 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga 
of "Robert the Wrong"


“Birding in March is going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk 
glorious disappointment”

Or as Conrad might have put it:

“It was written I should be loyal to the nightmare of my choice. “

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY
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On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
Dear Bob and all,

It might be a small comfort to you to know that all of us reading your note 
have endured this sort of pain. Back on 30 Dec, Pat and I were among the first 
responders for the Downsville Golden-crowned Sparrow, and all of us dipped that 
afternoon. She and I then suffered further torment when work and travel 
prevented us from trying again, even as the bird’s early morning routine was 
worked out and exploited by many, many of our friends. Our next opportunity to 
try didn’t come until 18 Jan, the morning after we returned from Ecuador. Like 
you, we set the alarm for the middle of the night and drove. We were lucky to 
see it.

But win or lose, I’m convinced that chasing rare birds is a vice. It’s not such 
a bad one that I intend to give it up, but, for me at least, it always feels 
better when I make an effort to atone for my indulgence in bird-chasing. One of 
the forms of penance I impose on myself involves writing the Spring Season 
report for the Hudson-Delaware region (New York State, New Jersey, and 
Delaware), for North American Birds. Reading your note immediately reminded me 
of this ordeal—and of a possible way to escape (at least temporarily) from the 
Dark Side.

In tracking the dates of last occurrence of over-wintering songbird rarities, I 
have noticed that a large percentage of long-staying Varied Thrushes, Harris’s 
Sparrows, Western Tanagers, Painted Buntings, etc. depart from their feeding 
stations in mid March. In parallel, many first detections of such birds also 
tend to occur in mid March to early April, seemingly much earlier than their 
“normal” migration periods. I interpret these discoveries as representing birds 
that wintered undetected or unreported nearby, but which, once having started 
roaming around, have been encountered by those pious/masochistic souls who 
manage to force themselves to go birding during March. Birding in March is 
going to hurt anyway, so why not aim high and risk glorious disappointment!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

Subject: [nysbirds-l] The tale of "Robert the Right", along with the saga of 
"Robert the Wrong"

Date: 03/27/19 02:04:21 AM

From: "robert adamo" mailto:radamo4...@gmail.com>>

To: "NY BIRDS" mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>

"Robert the Right", after seeking the current status of the Golden-Crowned 
Sparrow on this listserve, made the correct decision to pursue the bird on 
Wednesday, 3/20/19, and was rewarded in fortuitous fashion !  "R the R", of 
course, is Robert Lewis, and I congratulate him for his conviction, his effort, 
and his success !

While reading of "R the R,s" good fortune, "Robert the Wrong", decided to reach 
for the "brass ring" and so on the following Sunday, 3/24/19, he headed upstate 
toward the town of Downsville ! Leaving from Riverhead, L.I. at 0330, alone 
(after striking out trying to gather some company for this long trip) "R the W" 
arrived on Depot St..at ~ 0715, finding Lance Verderame at the scene ! We had 
never met before, but were both aware of the other because of our contributions 
to this listserve, as well as leading some NYSYBC field trips. It was then that 
I learned of Lance's being the original finder of the GCSP, and looked at this 
development as a "godsend"...but I was wrong !  Although there was ample bird 
activity, including 2 Bald Eagles, the sparrow was a no-show. I believe Lance 
left at ~ 1030, while I finally left at 1300.

After seeing "R the R's" post re: the GCSP, I contacted John Haas, who provided 
additional info. on the bird, besides giving me info. on 3 good spots to find 
Evening Grosbeak and C.Redpolls. On my way home, I stopped at all of them, 
finding Redpolls at each, and Grosbeaks at none. I made it home by 1940, a long 
day, that while seeing 1 of 2 species not seen earlier this season, I did not 
get the 1 species I have not seen ever !

Cheers,
Bob, aka "R the "W"
P.S...Thanks again, John and Lance





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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Grover, Bob]

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

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On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Grover, Bob]

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


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Bayside, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

[Grover, Bob]

Shai and Joe,
Great job by both of you.  I learned a great deal from this discussion!  If 
only I possessed the visual acuity to actually discern these details...

Bob Grover
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From: bounce-122638150-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Joseph DiCostanzo
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:35 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

Shai,

I certainly did not intend to “categorically dismiss” any line of evidence. And 
I certainly did not mean to say longipennis is an impossibility (see my last 
post to Bob). I think we completely agree that there is a tendency to not think 
“quantitatively” - no where enough consideration is given to variability in 
common species. So when an individual does not fit the “field guide” picture of 
the common species there is often a tendency to immediately go for something 
rare instead of giving enough consideration to variation in the more likely 
occurring species.

Of course rarities do occur! Birding wouldn’t be nearly as much fun as it is 
without them. The operative word, however, is “rare”. As the saying goes in 
medial diagnostics, “If you hear hoofbeats in the distance, think horse, not 
zebra.” (Unless, of course, you are in Africa. :) )

Joe

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Shaibal Mitra  
> wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in my earlier note to the list on this subject (8 Jun 18, 
> copied at the very end of the present note), the jury is certainly still out 
> on the status of longipennis Common Terns on the east coast. Joe's highly 
> informed contributions are a very welcome addition to the process and 
> underscore several areas to focus on in resolving the matter. First, it is 
> clearly true that to claim an extralimital longipennis, the evidence must be 
> very strong and include multiple characters beyond dark bills and dark legs. 
> I have a lot to contribute on this front, because I have made a point of 
> studying non-breeding terns for more than 20 years, during which time I have 
> collected detailed data on large samples of carefully scored first-summers 
> and "second-summer types" (a category which, as Joe notes, consists of an odd 
> amalgam of a subset of some but not all two year-olds, older adults short of 
> full breeding condition, and very old, senescent adults)--not only of Common 
> Terns, but also of Arctic, Roseate, Least, Black, and others.
>
> For now I just want to make two very simple points in response to the queries 
> Joe raises toward the end of his note.
>
> First, I'd like to address Joe's skepticism about judging wing length 
> visually. I once wrote a long, detailed note to the ID Frontiers list 
> defending the critical, visual assessment of shape (i.e., the relative sizes 
> of morphological structures; that piece concerned warblers, or maybe willets, 
> or maybe I did it separately for both?). I might be able to dig it/them up, 
> but for now I remember demonstrating that large samples of in-hand 
> measurements counter-intuitively often obscure real differences between 
> similar species, males and females, etc. The reason is that handbooks 
> over-emphasize extreme data, neglecting quantitative measures of variance and 
> covariance, and because most observers are unprepared or unwilling to think 
> quantitatively. At the same time, sharp-eyed birders can unerringly 
> distinguish Blackpoll and Pine Warblers at a glance by shape, even though 
> practically all their measurements, viewed individually in huge samples, 
> overlap. With regard to terns, I can recognize visually how the length of an 
> individual's primary projection compares to the chord of its dorsum with 
> enough precision to distinguish Common and Arctic Terns very confidently. So 
> I would caution against categorically dismissing this line of evidence.
>
> Second, the true statuses of non-breeding seabirds remain an amazing mystery, 
> and the few glimpses we've had so far have been really exciting. Most 
> obviously, the local status of Arctic Tern has been completely re-written in 
> the past 20 years based precisely on attention to loafing flocks of 
> non-breeding terns. Furthermore, scrutiny of these flocks has yielded many 
> other rarities, some of them as unexpected as longipennis might seem: Elegant 
> Tern, Cayenne Tern, acuflavidus Sandwich Terns during June, Little Gulls 
> during June, etc. My point is that although the improbability of longipennis 
> needs to be answered with strong evidence, much stranger things have 
> happened. I still examine every Arctic Tern I see with the remote potential 
> of Antarctic Tern in mind; the non-breeders hang out together down there, so 
> maybe a few stick together up here, too. Ditto for examining first-summer 
> Least Terns for Littles and first-summer Black Terns for White-winged and 
> Whiskered.
>
> Brian Patteson 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

[Grover, Bob]

Shai and Joe,
Great job by both of you.  I learned a great deal from this discussion!  If 
only I possessed the visual acuity to actually discern these details...

Bob Grover
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From: bounce-122638150-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Joseph DiCostanzo
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:35 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra 
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

Shai,

I certainly did not intend to “categorically dismiss” any line of evidence. And 
I certainly did not mean to say longipennis is an impossibility (see my last 
post to Bob). I think we completely agree that there is a tendency to not think 
“quantitatively” - no where enough consideration is given to variability in 
common species. So when an individual does not fit the “field guide” picture of 
the common species there is often a tendency to immediately go for something 
rare instead of giving enough consideration to variation in the more likely 
occurring species.

Of course rarities do occur! Birding wouldn’t be nearly as much fun as it is 
without them. The operative word, however, is “rare”. As the saying goes in 
medial diagnostics, “If you hear hoofbeats in the distance, think horse, not 
zebra.” (Unless, of course, you are in Africa. :) )

Joe

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Shaibal Mitra  
> wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in my earlier note to the list on this subject (8 Jun 18, 
> copied at the very end of the present note), the jury is certainly still out 
> on the status of longipennis Common Terns on the east coast. Joe's highly 
> informed contributions are a very welcome addition to the process and 
> underscore several areas to focus on in resolving the matter. First, it is 
> clearly true that to claim an extralimital longipennis, the evidence must be 
> very strong and include multiple characters beyond dark bills and dark legs. 
> I have a lot to contribute on this front, because I have made a point of 
> studying non-breeding terns for more than 20 years, during which time I have 
> collected detailed data on large samples of carefully scored first-summers 
> and "second-summer types" (a category which, as Joe notes, consists of an odd 
> amalgam of a subset of some but not all two year-olds, older adults short of 
> full breeding condition, and very old, senescent adults)--not only of Common 
> Terns, but also of Arctic, Roseate, Least, Black, and others.
>
> For now I just want to make two very simple points in response to the queries 
> Joe raises toward the end of his note.
>
> First, I'd like to address Joe's skepticism about judging wing length 
> visually. I once wrote a long, detailed note to the ID Frontiers list 
> defending the critical, visual assessment of shape (i.e., the relative sizes 
> of morphological structures; that piece concerned warblers, or maybe willets, 
> or maybe I did it separately for both?). I might be able to dig it/them up, 
> but for now I remember demonstrating that large samples of in-hand 
> measurements counter-intuitively often obscure real differences between 
> similar species, males and females, etc. The reason is that handbooks 
> over-emphasize extreme data, neglecting quantitative measures of variance and 
> covariance, and because most observers are unprepared or unwilling to think 
> quantitatively. At the same time, sharp-eyed birders can unerringly 
> distinguish Blackpoll and Pine Warblers at a glance by shape, even though 
> practically all their measurements, viewed individually in huge samples, 
> overlap. With regard to terns, I can recognize visually how the length of an 
> individual's primary projection compares to the chord of its dorsum with 
> enough precision to distinguish Common and Arctic Terns very confidently. So 
> I would caution against categorically dismissing this line of evidence.
>
> Second, the true statuses of non-breeding seabirds remain an amazing mystery, 
> and the few glimpses we've had so far have been really exciting. Most 
> obviously, the local status of Arctic Tern has been completely re-written in 
> the past 20 years based precisely on attention to loafing flocks of 
> non-breeding terns. Furthermore, scrutiny of these flocks has yielded many 
> other rarities, some of them as unexpected as longipennis might seem: Elegant 
> Tern, Cayenne Tern, acuflavidus Sandwich Terns during June, Little Gulls 
> during June, etc. My point is that although the improbability of longipennis 
> needs to be answered with strong evidence, much stranger things have 
> happened. I still examine every Arctic Tern I see with the remote potential 
> of Antarctic Tern in mind; the non-breeders hang out together down there, so 
> maybe a few stick together up here, too. Ditto for examining first-summer 
> Least Terns for Littles and first-summer Black Terns for White-winged and 
> Whiskered.
>
> Brian Patteson 

Re: [nysbirds-l] ROSS'S GOOSE at St. Charles Cemetery (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Both present at 7:30 am. Also American Kestrel.
Bob Grover

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2018, at 2:53 PM, John Gluth 
> wrote:

Continuing bird embedded within Canada Goose flock, along with 2 immature Snow 
Geese. Currently feeding on west side of northernmost compost pile, visible 
from pullout near south end of cemetery road, here: 
40.7282913,-73.4034317<(40.7282913,-73.4034317)>

John Gluth,
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Re: [nysbirds-l] ROSS'S GOOSE at St. Charles Cemetery (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Both present at 7:30 am. Also American Kestrel.
Bob Grover

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Continuing bird embedded within Canada Goose flock, along with 2 immature Snow 
Geese. Currently feeding on west side of northernmost compost pile, visible 
from pullout near south end of cemetery road, here: 
40.7282913,-73.4034317<(40.7282913,-73.4034317)>

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

I completely agree that Sy’s explanation was totally fine. My point was that we 
should all adopt his numbering system starting west and going east. The 
terminology is just a technical nit.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Tyler Goldstein 
<tylergoldstei...@gmail.com<mailto:tylergoldstei...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was at Point Lookout today and thought Sy Schiff's explanation was quite 
sufficient.  Never heard the term groin refer to anything but a body part.  I 
would like to add to Mr Schiff's report that I also saw circa a dozen Bonaparte 
Gulls.  Thanks to the other pair of birders who pointed them out to me.  I'm 
headed to the Hamptons again tomorrow for a 3 day weekend of partying.  I will 
probably go birding on Dune Road and will report anything that's considered 
rare.

Keep it real
Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, Grover, Bob 
<rgro...@gpinet.com<mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob



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[mailto:bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu>]
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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
Sy

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

I completely agree that Sy’s explanation was totally fine. My point was that we 
should all adopt his numbering system starting west and going east. The 
terminology is just a technical nit.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Tyler Goldstein 
mailto:tylergoldstei...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was at Point Lookout today and thought Sy Schiff's explanation was quite 
sufficient.  Never heard the term groin refer to anything but a body part.  I 
would like to add to Mr Schiff's report that I also saw circa a dozen Bonaparte 
Gulls.  Thanks to the other pair of birders who pointed them out to me.  I'm 
headed to the Hamptons again tomorrow for a 3 day weekend of partying.  I will 
probably go birding on Dune Road and will report anything that's considered 
rare.

Keep it real
Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob



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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob

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From: bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sy Schiff
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To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob

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[mailto:bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sy Schiff
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

[Grover, Bob]

Heck, Mike even tried to invoke feral cats as an instrument for expediting the 
lowering of the water level in the East Pond at JBWR.  That was my favorite all 
time post.

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From: bounce-122106516-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122106516-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:55 PM
To: brian.whip...@gmail.com
Cc: Rick ; NYSBIRDS ; Shaibal Mitra 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

Well, for starters the first sentence of the original post revealed the 
location of a Snowy Owl.  And while this discussion stayed civil, it’s probably 
the only time I’ve ever seen it happen that a “control the ___” fill in the 
blank with swans, geese, cats, etc managed to remain civil.  So kudos to those 
involved for not going off the rails.  I assumed the worst and was proven wrong.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:28 PM, 
brian.whip...@gmail.com wrote:
I’m not sure that Chris would have to intervene here. This discussion is one of 
the reasons this list exists. Though its primary purpose is dissemination of 
sightings, take a look at this paragraph from the listserve rules:

Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior, 
identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these subjects 
relate to wild birds in and around New York State, are welcomed and encouraged.

Encouraged! Thanks for the thoughtful discussion, everyone. I felt one way at 
the beginning and another way by the end. Good stuff.

Brian

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:32 PM Rick 
> wrote:
Quick agreement with Shai -- by "non-migratory" I didn't mean "feral", just
populations that in the past may have been migratory but have now become
sedentary / local, in some or all seasons.

-Original Message-
From: 
bounce-122103624-3714...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-122103624-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 On Behalf Of Shaibal
Mitra
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 10:22 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
>
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

As everyone so far has contributed in good faith, and given that this
listserv is devoted to NYS birds of all kinds, not just rare, why not
discuss?

My perception is that waterfowl are thriving above and beyond all other
ecological guilds. The explosion in Canada Goose numbers is not attributable
to the feral component; it is the northern, natural populations that are
expanding under climate change. In general, we have been finding ducks and
geese in tremendous abundance and diversity throughout NYS in recent years.
If Mute Swans are a problem, it is a very small one compared to many other
threats to our environment. And, as Rick points out, our environment has
been abused so badly for so long that a lot of what is still here is in a
co-dependent relationship with past abuse.

For example, there are legitimate (mostly non-avian) rationales undergirding
the recent fascination with undoing Long Island's ubiquitous, centuries-old
dams. While possibly restoring fish runs, this policy would also drain
innumerable South Shore ponds, probably removing many thousands of ducks
from Long Island--more than Mute Swans ever displaced. Arguably these would
be ducks that "shouldn't have been here anyway," but what if the fish
populations don't recover either? But this is just one example. Should we
invest in the Sisyphean eradication of multiflora rose? Honeysuckle?
Phragmites? The answers to these various massive-scale questions range from
"probably not" to "maybe."

In contrast, I think the expenditure of time and money on eradicating Mute
Swans is entirely misplaced. The potential benefits are demonstrably small,
and the public relations costs are likely significant--and this is not to
mention the logistical costs. Why not use those resources and whatever
public good will remains in this dark age to buy xxx hectares of
scabby-looking oak woods? If we don't, all we'll have are sterile
creaks--without dams but also without ponds--built up to the edges, and
without any woods either.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
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[bounce-122103568-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Rick
[rc...@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:22 PM
To: 'Tim Dunn'; 'Frederick Kedenburg'
Cc: 'Michael Cooper'; 'NYS BIRDS'
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds 

RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

[Grover, Bob]

Heck, Mike even tried to invoke feral cats as an instrument for expediting the 
lowering of the water level in the East Pond at JBWR.  That was my favorite all 
time post.

[cid:image001.png@01D36DD9.D79567A0]

Bob Grover
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An Equal Opportunity Employer


From: bounce-122106516-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122106516-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:55 PM
To: brian.whip...@gmail.com
Cc: Rick ; NYSBIRDS ; Shaibal Mitra 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

Well, for starters the first sentence of the original post revealed the 
location of a Snowy Owl.  And while this discussion stayed civil, it’s probably 
the only time I’ve ever seen it happen that a “control the ___” fill in the 
blank with swans, geese, cats, etc managed to remain civil.  So kudos to those 
involved for not going off the rails.  I assumed the worst and was proven wrong.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:28 PM, 
brian.whip...@gmail.com wrote:
I’m not sure that Chris would have to intervene here. This discussion is one of 
the reasons this list exists. Though its primary purpose is dissemination of 
sightings, take a look at this paragraph from the listserve rules:

Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior, 
identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these subjects 
relate to wild birds in and around New York State, are welcomed and encouraged.

Encouraged! Thanks for the thoughtful discussion, everyone. I felt one way at 
the beginning and another way by the end. Good stuff.

Brian

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:32 PM Rick 
mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
Quick agreement with Shai -- by "non-migratory" I didn't mean "feral", just
populations that in the past may have been migratory but have now become
sedentary / local, in some or all seasons.

-Original Message-
From: 
bounce-122103624-3714...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-122103624-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 On Behalf Of Shaibal
Mitra
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 10:22 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>>
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

As everyone so far has contributed in good faith, and given that this
listserv is devoted to NYS birds of all kinds, not just rare, why not
discuss?

My perception is that waterfowl are thriving above and beyond all other
ecological guilds. The explosion in Canada Goose numbers is not attributable
to the feral component; it is the northern, natural populations that are
expanding under climate change. In general, we have been finding ducks and
geese in tremendous abundance and diversity throughout NYS in recent years.
If Mute Swans are a problem, it is a very small one compared to many other
threats to our environment. And, as Rick points out, our environment has
been abused so badly for so long that a lot of what is still here is in a
co-dependent relationship with past abuse.

For example, there are legitimate (mostly non-avian) rationales undergirding
the recent fascination with undoing Long Island's ubiquitous, centuries-old
dams. While possibly restoring fish runs, this policy would also drain
innumerable South Shore ponds, probably removing many thousands of ducks
from Long Island--more than Mute Swans ever displaced. Arguably these would
be ducks that "shouldn't have been here anyway," but what if the fish
populations don't recover either? But this is just one example. Should we
invest in the Sisyphean eradication of multiflora rose? Honeysuckle?
Phragmites? The answers to these various massive-scale questions range from
"probably not" to "maybe."

In contrast, I think the expenditure of time and money on eradicating Mute
Swans is entirely misplaced. The potential benefits are demonstrably small,
and the public relations costs are likely significant--and this is not to
mention the logistical costs. Why not use those resources and whatever
public good will remains in this dark age to buy xxx hectares of
scabby-looking oak woods? If we don't, all we'll have are sterile
creaks--without dams but also without ponds--built up to the edges, and
without any woods either.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
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[bounce-122103568-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Rick
[rc...@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:22 PM
To: 'Tim Dunn'; 'Frederick Kedenburg'
Cc: 'Michael Cooper'; 'NYS BIRDS'
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

First, kudos to Chris T-H for keeping order in our rangy group. A laudable
task, 

Re: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

[Grover, Bob]

I’m totally with Tim on this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Frederick Kedenburg 
> wrote:

I don’t think Chris T-H needs to weigh in on this as it is a polite 
conversation of an issue that we all know about.
Many of us have opinions that will not be changed. That is everyones right.

I have simply this one thing to say:
I know many out there wish to eliminate the Swans for what they believe are 
scientific reasons.
I think the Mute Swan, now that they have been here for over a century, have as 
much a right to live as any immigrant does today.
Their numbers and the damage they do is really negligible compared to other 
species.

Are not Swans now to be considered naturalized and a beauty for all to behold? 
I think they need this protection.
rk

On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Michael Cooper 
> wrote:

Well said Tim, but I think I hear the footsteps of
Chris T-H on the way, so I’m going to mention a bird in this post and “duck” 
out of the way of the ban hammer!

Mike Cooper
Ridge LI NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Tim Dunn 
> wrote:

Fred and any others interested,

Two mute swans by you is no problem. Up to 65 can be seen on any given day on 
Argyle Lake in Babylon.  It is a pond that is less than 1/4 mile in 
circumference.  All other breeding waterfowl here have been eradicated by these 
swans. Some migrant waterfowl use the pond but less than in the past. Few 
dabbling ducks use it as swans have eaten all vegetation on the bottom of the 
pond to as far as their long necks can reach.

Geese come and go in migration here, but the mute swans are a constant.  So I 
would expect that the reason that DEC wants to control them is that they are an 
invasive species that is destroying the local ecosystem and driving out native 
species. Maybe not happening by you, but definitely happening here in western 
Suffolk.

Non-birders are aware of this issue because it appeared in the newspapers when 
the DEC came out and said they would start removing the swans. That typically 
means shooting, trapping, poisoning, etc. Hardly anyone likes the idea of 
culling these birds through cruel and inhumane ways (including me), so the 
subject comes up for a debate that has reached beyond birders and wildlife 
people from time to time.  My understanding is that egg oiling and similar 
tactics are being used, or at least are up for discussion, to control the 
population.

Since they are an invasive and destructive species, any connection that an 
observer feels to wildlife by viewing feral mute swans is based entirely on a 
lack of understanding of the natural world around them. You might have done 
more for the guy you ran into today if you had told him that if it weren’t for 
those swans, he might be seeing ten different species of waterfowl that they 
have driven away.  Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but I’d 
prefer green-wing teal and pintails to those swans.

(And sociologically speaking, to me those swans represent the escaped stock of 
early successful Americans anxious to imitate the “Lords of the Manor” in 
Europe, who are the same folks that my Irish ancestors fled to America to get 
away from.)

While stepping around goose droppings and occasionally having to hit the brakes 
to allow a goose flock to cross the street is an inconvenience, I don’t think 
it has nearly the adverse effect on the local environment that the swans have 
had in my part of Long Island.

Thanks,
Tim Dunn
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On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Frederick Kedenburg 
> wrote:

Although yes, I do know this issue was posted locally on the NF, yet it still 
has many repercussions to birders throughout NYS therefore I am posting.
If you wish to eradicate Mute Swan I am sorry.
rk

North Fork LI NY: I went looking for the reported Snowy at the Mattituck Inlet 
Breakwater today but although I looked along the Beach, east & west and 
patrolled the DEC conservation and boat ramp area I could not find it. I’ll try 
again as once the species shows up it can be persistent. The predominant 
waterfowl there today was Long-tailed Duck. It was good to hear their call once 
again this season.

After some coffee and a late breakfast in Mattituck I went to Laurel Lake.
There were plentiful numbers of Ring-necked Duck, Ruddy Duck and American Coot. 
Also seen were one Great Blue Heron, one Pied Billed Grebe and a Gadwall.

As an aside:
There were two Mute Swan in the Laurel Lake compared to hundreds of Canada 
Geese there today.
Why does the NYS-DEC seem so preoccupied with extirpating all the Mute Swan and 
is doing next to nothing in addressing the vast numbers of Canada Geese in NYS. 
The geese cause so much damage to wetlands and to water quality due to the hugh 
amount of poop they produce. 

Re: [nysbirds-l] [NFBirds Report 3221] Snowy Owl, No

[Grover, Bob]

I’m totally with Tim on this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Frederick Kedenburg 
mailto:kedenb...@optonline.net>> wrote:

I don’t think Chris T-H needs to weigh in on this as it is a polite 
conversation of an issue that we all know about.
Many of us have opinions that will not be changed. That is everyones right.

I have simply this one thing to say:
I know many out there wish to eliminate the Swans for what they believe are 
scientific reasons.
I think the Mute Swan, now that they have been here for over a century, have as 
much a right to live as any immigrant does today.
Their numbers and the damage they do is really negligible compared to other 
species.

Are not Swans now to be considered naturalized and a beauty for all to behold? 
I think they need this protection.
rk

On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Michael Cooper 
mailto:mike5...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Well said Tim, but I think I hear the footsteps of
Chris T-H on the way, so I’m going to mention a bird in this post and “duck” 
out of the way of the ban hammer!

Mike Cooper
Ridge LI NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Tim Dunn 
mailto:timd...@optonline.net>> wrote:

Fred and any others interested,

Two mute swans by you is no problem. Up to 65 can be seen on any given day on 
Argyle Lake in Babylon.  It is a pond that is less than 1/4 mile in 
circumference.  All other breeding waterfowl here have been eradicated by these 
swans. Some migrant waterfowl use the pond but less than in the past. Few 
dabbling ducks use it as swans have eaten all vegetation on the bottom of the 
pond to as far as their long necks can reach.

Geese come and go in migration here, but the mute swans are a constant.  So I 
would expect that the reason that DEC wants to control them is that they are an 
invasive species that is destroying the local ecosystem and driving out native 
species. Maybe not happening by you, but definitely happening here in western 
Suffolk.

Non-birders are aware of this issue because it appeared in the newspapers when 
the DEC came out and said they would start removing the swans. That typically 
means shooting, trapping, poisoning, etc. Hardly anyone likes the idea of 
culling these birds through cruel and inhumane ways (including me), so the 
subject comes up for a debate that has reached beyond birders and wildlife 
people from time to time.  My understanding is that egg oiling and similar 
tactics are being used, or at least are up for discussion, to control the 
population.

Since they are an invasive and destructive species, any connection that an 
observer feels to wildlife by viewing feral mute swans is based entirely on a 
lack of understanding of the natural world around them. You might have done 
more for the guy you ran into today if you had told him that if it weren’t for 
those swans, he might be seeing ten different species of waterfowl that they 
have driven away.  Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but I’d 
prefer green-wing teal and pintails to those swans.

(And sociologically speaking, to me those swans represent the escaped stock of 
early successful Americans anxious to imitate the “Lords of the Manor” in 
Europe, who are the same folks that my Irish ancestors fled to America to get 
away from.)

While stepping around goose droppings and occasionally having to hit the brakes 
to allow a goose flock to cross the street is an inconvenience, I don’t think 
it has nearly the adverse effect on the local environment that the swans have 
had in my part of Long Island.

Thanks,
Tim Dunn
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Frederick Kedenburg 
mailto:kedenb...@optonline.net>> wrote:

Although yes, I do know this issue was posted locally on the NF, yet it still 
has many repercussions to birders throughout NYS therefore I am posting.
If you wish to eradicate Mute Swan I am sorry.
rk

North Fork LI NY: I went looking for the reported Snowy at the Mattituck Inlet 
Breakwater today but although I looked along the Beach, east & west and 
patrolled the DEC conservation and boat ramp area I could not find it. I’ll try 
again as once the species shows up it can be persistent. The predominant 
waterfowl there today was Long-tailed Duck. It was good to hear their call once 
again this season.

After some coffee and a late breakfast in Mattituck I went to Laurel Lake.
There were plentiful numbers of Ring-necked Duck, Ruddy Duck and American Coot. 
Also seen were one Great Blue Heron, one Pied Billed Grebe and a Gadwall.

As an aside:
There were two Mute Swan in the Laurel Lake compared to hundreds of Canada 
Geese there today.
Why does the NYS-DEC seem so preoccupied with extirpating all the Mute Swan and 
is doing next to nothing in addressing the vast numbers of Canada Geese in NYS. 
The geese cause so much damage to wetlands and to water quality due to the hugh 
amount of poop they produce. Loading nitrogen into our bays and wetlands is 
only part of the problem. Maneuvering about 

RE: DECEASED - Re: [nysbirds-l] Corn Crake at Cedar Beach (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Sad news indeed to hear about our old world visitor.  Thanks to everyone who 
posted updates and to the several locals who left me voice mails and off list 
emails, and to Ken T., who facilitated my brief but satisfying looks as I was 
rushing between meetings.  Of course, Corn Crake is already on the NYSOA list, 
but the license plates I noted from 5 states as I pulled away yesterday are a 
testament to its specialness.
I believe a toast to this cool little bird will be in order tonight at the 
Brightwaters Thursday night watering hole.

[cid:image001.png@01D35927.ED5DCB20]

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Subject: DECEASED - Re: [nysbirds-l] Corn Crake at Cedar Beach (Suffolk Co.)

This is unfortunate news for such a phenomenal bird – and for birders traveling 
to see this individual.

Thought I’d make this topic more obvious in the subject.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Scott Gilbert 
> wrote:

Unfortunately, I am sad to report Corn Crake found deceased in same location 
this A.M. 6:25 by other birders.

On Nov 7, 2017 11:44 AM, 
> wrote:
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RE: DECEASED - Re: [nysbirds-l] Corn Crake at Cedar Beach (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Sad news indeed to hear about our old world visitor.  Thanks to everyone who 
posted updates and to the several locals who left me voice mails and off list 
emails, and to Ken T., who facilitated my brief but satisfying looks as I was 
rushing between meetings.  Of course, Corn Crake is already on the NYSOA list, 
but the license plates I noted from 5 states as I pulled away yesterday are a 
testament to its specialness.
I believe a toast to this cool little bird will be in order tonight at the 
Brightwaters Thursday night watering hole.

[cid:image001.png@01D35927.ED5DCB20]

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From: bounce-122034547-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122034547-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher T. 
Tessaglia-Hymes
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:38 AM
To: Scott Gilbert 
Cc: suefeus...@optonline.net; NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: DECEASED - Re: [nysbirds-l] Corn Crake at Cedar Beach (Suffolk Co.)

This is unfortunate news for such a phenomenal bird – and for birders traveling 
to see this individual.

Thought I’d make this topic more obvious in the subject.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Scott Gilbert 
mailto:scottgilber...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately, I am sad to report Corn Crake found deceased in same location 
this A.M. 6:25 by other birders.

On Nov 7, 2017 11:44 AM, 
mailto:suefeus...@optonline.net>> wrote:
A Corn Crake (this is no joke) is currently feeding on the north shoulder of 
the Ocean Parkway east of the Cedar Beach marina. The bird is staying close to 
the shrubline. From the west bound lane line up the Cedar Overlook cell tower 
to your left. Also, there is a south facing “Emergency Stopping Only” sign on 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Brown Booby Montauk Yes

[Grover, Bob]

I have to wonder if the poor person who owns Maui has any idea the boat is 
getting covered in guano.

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Brown Booby Montauk Yes


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[Grover, Bob]

I have to wonder if the poor person who owns Maui has any idea the boat is 
getting covered in guano.

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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Bob Kurtz, now passed

[Grover, Bob]

Add in a few hundred Gyrs and he'd be in, well, in heaven!
Might as well throw in a few thousand Ospreys, as well, each with a different 
fish species for Bobby to identify.

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Better make it a Franziskaner Hefeweissbier dunkel Bob, that was his favorite 
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[Grover, Bob]

Add in a few hundred Gyrs and he'd be in, well, in heaven!
Might as well throw in a few thousand Ospreys, as well, each with a different 
fish species for Bobby to identify.

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Better make it a Franziskaner Hefeweissbier dunkel Bob, that was his favorite 
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[Grover, Bob]

Oh, rest in peace my dear friend.  I will hoist up an Eye of The Hawk in your 
honor tonight.
Bob Grover

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bob Kurtz, now passed

Our dear friend Bobby Kurtz passed away today, after several months of illness.


Bobby was an unforgettable birder, whose enthusiasm added excitement to
our collective adventure of birds. Being with him was a natural part of
decades of discovery for us. We learned a lot together, and enjoyed it
all immensely.



Details of arrangements will follow soon.


Northwest winds are forecast tomorrow at the Fire Island hawkwatch,
where Bobby sought them so often.



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Bob Grover

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bob Kurtz, now passed

Our dear friend Bobby Kurtz passed away today, after several months of illness.


Bobby was an unforgettable birder, whose enthusiasm added excitement to
our collective adventure of birds. Being with him was a natural part of
decades of discovery for us. We learned a lot together, and enjoyed it
all immensely.



Details of arrangements will follow soon.


Northwest winds are forecast tomorrow at the Fire Island hawkwatch,
where Bobby sought them so often.



Patricia Lindsay and Shai Mitra
Bay Shore, NY






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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Laughing gulls

[Grover, Bob]

I always look forward to their return in the spring.   Yesterday, there were 
single individuals at both Bay Shore Marina and the Babylon Village Dock.  
Larids on deck: Forster's Terns.
Also of interest were two hen Goldeneye on Brightwaters Canal



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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Laughing gulls

[Grover, Bob]

I always look forward to their return in the spring.   Yesterday, there were 
single individuals at both Bay Shore Marina and the Babylon Village Dock.  
Larids on deck: Forster's Terns.
Also of interest were two hen Goldeneye on Brightwaters Canal



Bob Grover






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RE:[nysbirds-l] Captree CBC, Preliminary Results

[Grover, Bob]

Indeed, there was an obvious migration movement underway Sunday as evidenced 
not only by the Snow Geese but by a very impressive movement of robins along 
the south shore, numbering hundreds, starting at dawn and continuing throughout 
the day.  As a postscript, in the course of my successful search for the CBC 
lapspur at Robert Moses yesterday, I encountered two additional Snow Geese near 
the water tower.

Bob  Grover


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[mailto:bounce-121095861-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:54 AM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Captree CBC, Preliminary Results

The Captree CBC was conducted on Sunday, 18 Dec 2016, for the 55th time.

Fifty participants covered this circle in southwestern Suffolk County, Long 
Island, finding a provisional total of 113 species. The weather was better than 
we expected, coverage was excellent, and the compilation dinner at Villa Monaco 
in West Islip was festive and well-attended-we offer our thanks to Great South 
Bay Audubon Society for generously contributing to the cost of this celebration.

Geese were a major focus in several territories, and diligent searching yielded 
a Greater White-fronted Goose in the Gardiner sector, a Cackling Goose in the 
East sector, and a locally unusual tally of 28 Snow Geese, in three 
territories, including high-flying migrants. This is a species we often miss 
and usually detect in small numbers, so these numbers are unusual for us, but 
consistent with observations on other CBCs this weekend (see especially Steve 
Chorvas' write-up of the Mohonk Lake/Ashokan Reservoir CBC:

http://birding.aba.org/message.php?mesid=1219062=NY01=New%20York

Our long-staying Barnacle Goose was not seen on count day but was present at 
Belmont Lake at least through Friday.

Belmont produced the only Wood Ducks (4), Fire Island the only Common Eiders 
(3) and Common Goldeneyes (3), and Connetquot the only Common Mergansers 
(8)-all more or less routine highlights. In contrast, just one single Lesser 
Scaup was found-far fewer than expected.

Horned Grebe was missed for just the third time in 55 years, a disappointing 
outcome but one that didn't surprise me after my experience on the Montauk CBC 
on Saturday, where this species was remarkably scarce.  Even more distressing 
was the absence of Bonaparte's Gull, also missed for just the third time. Still 
remembered by many of us as an abundant and characteristic feature of the Fire 
Island Inlet area, this species has been slipping away from us, as have 
Canvasback (5th miss) and Northern Pintail (6th miss). But neither dire trends 
nor bad weather can explain an across the board dip on Hermit Thrush (4th 
miss). There will be an investigation.

In addition to highlights already mentioned, the Connetquot team saved 
Black-crowned Night-Heron, Bald Eagle, and American Woodcock; Fire Island saved 
Greater Yellowlegs, Ruddy Turnstone (8th count record), Lesser Black-backed 
Gull (7th count record), and Lapland Longspur; the Jones Island party saved 
American Oystercatcher (5th count record), Pine Warbler, and Boat-tailed 
Grackle (42, for just the 6th count record); Gardiner saved Lesser Scaup, 
Killdeer, and Monk Parakeet (23, for just the 8th count record, all recent); 
Seatuck saved Brown Thrasher; Heckscher saved Ruby-crowned Kinglet (2); and 
East saved Eastern Phoebe and Marsh Wren (2). Spoiled saves are the bane of 
competitive participants but the joy of compilers; the best of these yesterday 
were four (!) Orange-crowned Warblers, found by Seatuck, Heckscher, and East; 
three Chipping Sparrows, found by Connetquot and East; and three Rusty 
Blackbirds, found by Belmont and Connetquot.

Special praise is deserved by the team covering the North territory, a heavily 
developed interior area with markedly less habitat diversity than the other 
eight sectors. North not only saved American Kestrel (2) and Palm Warbler but 
also found a Great Horned Owl, one of two on the count. More broadly, Pat and I 
extend our thanks to all our teams for their valiant efforts yesterday, braving 
thunder, lightning, and intense rain before dawn and ominous, tornado-like 
squalls in the evening. We are impressed that no fewer than five parties found 
six Eastern Screech and two Great Horned Owls under these circumstances.

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RE:[nysbirds-l] Captree CBC, Preliminary Results

[Grover, Bob]

Indeed, there was an obvious migration movement underway Sunday as evidenced 
not only by the Snow Geese but by a very impressive movement of robins along 
the south shore, numbering hundreds, starting at dawn and continuing throughout 
the day.  As a postscript, in the course of my successful search for the CBC 
lapspur at Robert Moses yesterday, I encountered two additional Snow Geese near 
the water tower.

Bob  Grover


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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:54 AM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Captree CBC, Preliminary Results

The Captree CBC was conducted on Sunday, 18 Dec 2016, for the 55th time.

Fifty participants covered this circle in southwestern Suffolk County, Long 
Island, finding a provisional total of 113 species. The weather was better than 
we expected, coverage was excellent, and the compilation dinner at Villa Monaco 
in West Islip was festive and well-attended-we offer our thanks to Great South 
Bay Audubon Society for generously contributing to the cost of this celebration.

Geese were a major focus in several territories, and diligent searching yielded 
a Greater White-fronted Goose in the Gardiner sector, a Cackling Goose in the 
East sector, and a locally unusual tally of 28 Snow Geese, in three 
territories, including high-flying migrants. This is a species we often miss 
and usually detect in small numbers, so these numbers are unusual for us, but 
consistent with observations on other CBCs this weekend (see especially Steve 
Chorvas' write-up of the Mohonk Lake/Ashokan Reservoir CBC:

http://birding.aba.org/message.php?mesid=1219062=NY01=New%20York

Our long-staying Barnacle Goose was not seen on count day but was present at 
Belmont Lake at least through Friday.

Belmont produced the only Wood Ducks (4), Fire Island the only Common Eiders 
(3) and Common Goldeneyes (3), and Connetquot the only Common Mergansers 
(8)-all more or less routine highlights. In contrast, just one single Lesser 
Scaup was found-far fewer than expected.

Horned Grebe was missed for just the third time in 55 years, a disappointing 
outcome but one that didn't surprise me after my experience on the Montauk CBC 
on Saturday, where this species was remarkably scarce.  Even more distressing 
was the absence of Bonaparte's Gull, also missed for just the third time. Still 
remembered by many of us as an abundant and characteristic feature of the Fire 
Island Inlet area, this species has been slipping away from us, as have 
Canvasback (5th miss) and Northern Pintail (6th miss). But neither dire trends 
nor bad weather can explain an across the board dip on Hermit Thrush (4th 
miss). There will be an investigation.

In addition to highlights already mentioned, the Connetquot team saved 
Black-crowned Night-Heron, Bald Eagle, and American Woodcock; Fire Island saved 
Greater Yellowlegs, Ruddy Turnstone (8th count record), Lesser Black-backed 
Gull (7th count record), and Lapland Longspur; the Jones Island party saved 
American Oystercatcher (5th count record), Pine Warbler, and Boat-tailed 
Grackle (42, for just the 6th count record); Gardiner saved Lesser Scaup, 
Killdeer, and Monk Parakeet (23, for just the 8th count record, all recent); 
Seatuck saved Brown Thrasher; Heckscher saved Ruby-crowned Kinglet (2); and 
East saved Eastern Phoebe and Marsh Wren (2). Spoiled saves are the bane of 
competitive participants but the joy of compilers; the best of these yesterday 
were four (!) Orange-crowned Warblers, found by Seatuck, Heckscher, and East; 
three Chipping Sparrows, found by Connetquot and East; and three Rusty 
Blackbirds, found by Belmont and Connetquot.

Special praise is deserved by the team covering the North territory, a heavily 
developed interior area with markedly less habitat diversity than the other 
eight sectors. North not only saved American Kestrel (2) and Palm Warbler but 
also found a Great Horned Owl, one of two on the count. More broadly, Pat and I 
extend our thanks to all our teams for their valiant efforts yesterday, braving 
thunder, lightning, and intense rain before dawn and ominous, tornado-like 
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Bay Shore
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[nysbirds-l] Captree Island, SW Suffolk,

[Grover, Bob]

Yesterday I birded Captree Island (Babylon side).  No rarities to report, but 
lots of birds.   It looked very much like a fall scene, with the large 
aggregation of waders.  This included about 125 egrets, of which ¼ were Snowy 
and the rest Great, one of which was swallowing a large eel.  There were 6 
Great Blue Herons, of which three were juvies, which is intriguing.  There were 
also a minimum of 200 Glossy Ibis.  One I listed as Ibis sp., as it was a juvie 
with a prominent white crown blotch, which flew off before I sufficiently 
studied it.  Completing the waders was a Black-crowned Night Heron.  Shorebirds 
were scarce, and I could only pick out a few Greater Yellowlegs and several 
semi pipers.  There was a feeding frenzy of about 75 Forster's Terns in the 
main tidal creek adjacent to the road.  The final highlights were about 60 
Boat-tailed Grackles.
If you decide to visit this location, keep in mind that I had to cut my scoping 
session short due to mosquitos, and continued from the safety of my truck.

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325 West Main Street, Babylon, NY 11702
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[nysbirds-l] Captree Island, SW Suffolk,

[Grover, Bob]

Yesterday I birded Captree Island (Babylon side).  No rarities to report, but 
lots of birds.   It looked very much like a fall scene, with the large 
aggregation of waders.  This included about 125 egrets, of which ¼ were Snowy 
and the rest Great, one of which was swallowing a large eel.  There were 6 
Great Blue Herons, of which three were juvies, which is intriguing.  There were 
also a minimum of 200 Glossy Ibis.  One I listed as Ibis sp., as it was a juvie 
with a prominent white crown blotch, which flew off before I sufficiently 
studied it.  Completing the waders was a Black-crowned Night Heron.  Shorebirds 
were scarce, and I could only pick out a few Greater Yellowlegs and several 
semi pipers.  There was a feeding frenzy of about 75 Forster's Terns in the 
main tidal creek adjacent to the road.  The final highlights were about 60 
Boat-tailed Grackles.
If you decide to visit this location, keep in mind that I had to cut my scoping 
session short due to mosquitos, and continued from the safety of my truck.

[cid:image009.jpg@01D1E0DC.426EA730]

Robert Grover
Vice President/Director of Environmental
and Coastal Sciences

325 West Main Street, Babylon, NY 11702
631.587.5060 | d 631.761.7369
rgro...@gpinet.com | www.gpinet.com

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cave Swallows NO - Venetian beach Suffolk County

[Grover, Bob]

I had been at Venetian a little earlier, from 7:00 to 7:45 with similar 
results, minus the Common Tern.  There was a third skimmer a little west of the 
other two, so all three remaining birds are still present.  There was also a 
very infirm juv. Laughing Gull on the beach that probably didn't survive the 
day.
In the tardy department, I set off Saturday to various coastal locations 
expecting to inventory numbers of Franklin's Gulls.  I ran up a total of zero 
between Gilgo, Ocean Parkway, Robert Moses 2 and 5, Captree SP, Captree Island 
and the Bay Shore Marina.  Talk about a one day wonder! Of note at Bay Shore 
Marina were 65 Laughing Gulls, along with a Forster's Tern.  When I visited 
again Sunday morning, there were only two Laughing Gulls.
The Venetian "hot spot" is nice, but we really need to just attach a GPS 
locator beacon to Pete Morris's bike if we want ready access to the latest 
rarities.
Bob Grover









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[mailto:bounce-119901477-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Klauber
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 12:27 PM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Cave Swallows NO - Venetian beach Suffolk County

 The Cave Swallows that had been the last 2 days at Venetian Beach in 
Lindenhurst were not seen from 8:30 -11:30 this morning. The 2 immature 
skimmers were still on the beach with the gulls, also sometimes joined by an 
immature Common Tern. A 1st cycle Lesser Black-backed Gull was at the western 
end of the beach, and a flock of 6 Monk Parakeets occasionally flew around the 
area. 1 Long-billed Dowitcher was noted with the Greater Yellowlegs nearby 
along Venetian Avenue(?) by the boat dock
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cave Swallows NO - Venetian beach Suffolk County

[Grover, Bob]

I had been at Venetian a little earlier, from 7:00 to 7:45 with similar 
results, minus the Common Tern.  There was a third skimmer a little west of the 
other two, so all three remaining birds are still present.  There was also a 
very infirm juv. Laughing Gull on the beach that probably didn't survive the 
day.
In the tardy department, I set off Saturday to various coastal locations 
expecting to inventory numbers of Franklin's Gulls.  I ran up a total of zero 
between Gilgo, Ocean Parkway, Robert Moses 2 and 5, Captree SP, Captree Island 
and the Bay Shore Marina.  Talk about a one day wonder! Of note at Bay Shore 
Marina were 65 Laughing Gulls, along with a Forster's Tern.  When I visited 
again Sunday morning, there were only two Laughing Gulls.
The Venetian "hot spot" is nice, but we really need to just attach a GPS 
locator beacon to Pete Morris's bike if we want ready access to the latest 
rarities.
Bob Grover









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[mailto:bounce-119901477-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Klauber
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 12:27 PM
To: NY Birds 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Cave Swallows NO - Venetian beach Suffolk County

 The Cave Swallows that had been the last 2 days at Venetian Beach in 
Lindenhurst were not seen from 8:30 -11:30 this morning. The 2 immature 
skimmers were still on the beach with the gulls, also sometimes joined by an 
immature Common Tern. A 1st cycle Lesser Black-backed Gull was at the western 
end of the beach, and a flock of 6 Monk Parakeets occasionally flew around the 
area. 1 Long-billed Dowitcher was noted with the Greater Yellowlegs nearby 
along Venetian Avenue(?) by the boat dock
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Robert Moses Golf Course (Suffolk)

[Grover, Bob]

Add south to the directions.  I saw it yesterday sitting on the chain link 
fence immediately opposite (south of) the restrooms.









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[mailto:bounce-119768410-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Pete Morris
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:35 PM
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Robert Moses Golf Course (Suffolk)

Western Kingbird seen late this morning around the eastern end of the golf 
course at Robert Moses SP.

It can be quite elusive so some patients may be required.

It is probably best to view from the course clubhouse looking north and east. 
There are golfers around so walking around on the course is not advisable.

All the best,

Pete

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Robert Moses Golf Course (Suffolk)

[Grover, Bob]

Add south to the directions.  I saw it yesterday sitting on the chain link 
fence immediately opposite (south of) the restrooms.









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[mailto:bounce-119768410-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Pete Morris
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Robert Moses Golf Course (Suffolk)

Western Kingbird seen late this morning around the eastern end of the golf 
course at Robert Moses SP.

It can be quite elusive so some patients may be required.

It is probably best to view from the course clubhouse looking north and east. 
There are golfers around so walking around on the course is not advisable.

All the best,

Pete

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of about 10 am

[Grover, Bob]

That is really interesting.  Has anyone encountered any Fowlers Toads in the 
park this year?




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A novel find on my way between the WE Nature Center and the blind, was an 
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[Grover, Bob]

That is really interesting.  Has anyone encountered any Fowlers Toads in the 
park this year?




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A novel find on my way between the WE Nature Center and the blind, was an 
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[Grover, Bob]

Impressive numbers in Argyle Boat Basin.  I counted 37 at lunchtime today.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Grover, Bob]

Unless someone has some science to add, we should probably move on.
Bob Grover







From: bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:13 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
mailto:justindlaw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
mailto:hoaryredp...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; 
orhanbir...@gmail.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



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 [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
mailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Grover, Bob]

Unless someone has some science to add, we should probably move on.
Bob Grover







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[mailto:bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:13 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
justindlaw...@gmail.commailto:justindlaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
wingmagi...@gmail.commailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
hoaryredp...@hotmail.commailto:hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.commailto:peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.commailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.commailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; 
orhanbir...@gmail.commailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edumailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
rc...@nyc.rr.commailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



From: 
bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
 [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
orhanbir...@gmail.commailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

[Grover, Bob]

Hi Hugh,
Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County  Park 
as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project.  There was a 
collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and 
Wildlife,  the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant 
areas of shorebird habitat.  I am pretty excited to see the finished product..
Bob



From: Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM
To: Grover, Bob
Cc: syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

Bob et al,
Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I 
remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along 
Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh 
water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at 
Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape 
slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the 
years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt 
Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that 
a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization 
could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people 
pressuring them to do so.
Hugh

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Sy, et al.,
I don’t believe that is entirely accurate.  First, there was no breach.  There 
was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months.  As is 
often the case, it had a crescent shape.  During a minor coastal storm, the 
entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, 
enclosing a large coastal pond.  This is a common event around tidal inlets and 
the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar 
was unusual.  As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just 
shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it 
attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird).  Anyway, 
overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking 
the pond, until it disappeared altogether.  There was no interference by park 
or other personnel.  Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the 
ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features.  There is plenty of blame to 
go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases.
Bob Grover


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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island.

In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between 
the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls 
were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the 
current bird.

The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of 
the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because 
of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were 
produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

[Grover, Bob]

Sy, et al.,
I don't believe that is entirely accurate.  First, there was no breach.  There 
was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months.  As is 
often the case, it had a crescent shape.  During a minor coastal storm, the 
entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, 
enclosing a large coastal pond.  This is a common event around tidal inlets and 
the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar 
was unusual.  As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just 
shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it 
attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird).  Anyway, 
overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking 
the pond, until it disappeared altogether.  There was no interference by park 
or other personnel.  Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the 
ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features.  There is plenty of blame to 
go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases.
Bob Grover


From: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of syschiff
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM
To: NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island.

In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between 
the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls 
were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the 
current bird.

The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of 
the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because 
of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were 
produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island.

Sy Schiff

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

[Grover, Bob]

Sy, et al.,
I don't believe that is entirely accurate.  First, there was no breach.  There 
was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months.  As is 
often the case, it had a crescent shape.  During a minor coastal storm, the 
entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, 
enclosing a large coastal pond.  This is a common event around tidal inlets and 
the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar 
was unusual.  As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just 
shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it 
attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird).  Anyway, 
overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking 
the pond, until it disappeared altogether.  There was no interference by park 
or other personnel.  Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the 
ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features.  There is plenty of blame to 
go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases.
Bob Grover


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Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island.

In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between 
the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls 
were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

[Grover, Bob]

Hi Hugh,
Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County  Park 
as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project.  There was a 
collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and 
Wildlife,  the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant 
areas of shorebird habitat.  I am pretty excited to see the finished product..
Bob



From: Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM
To: Grover, Bob
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

Bob et al,
Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I 
remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along 
Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh 
water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at 
Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape 
slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the 
years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt 
Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that 
a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization 
could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people 
pressuring them to do so.
Hugh

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob 
rgro...@gpinet.commailto:rgro...@gpinet.com wrote:
Sy, et al.,
I don’t believe that is entirely accurate.  First, there was no breach.  There 
was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months.  As is 
often the case, it had a crescent shape.  During a minor coastal storm, the 
entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, 
enclosing a large coastal pond.  This is a common event around tidal inlets and 
the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar 
was unusual.  As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just 
shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it 
attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird).  Anyway, 
overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking 
the pond, until it disappeared altogether.  There was no interference by park 
or other personnel.  Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the 
ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features.  There is plenty of blame to 
go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases.
Bob Grover


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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls

Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island.

In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between 
the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls 
were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the 
current bird.

The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Marine Nature Study Area, Oceanside

[Grover, Bob]

There were single Seaside and Saltmarsh Sparrows at Gardiner County Park, in 
Bayshore, yesterday morning, along with a couple of Brown Thrashers.
Bob Grover


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Marine Nature Study Area, Oceanside 27 April

A FOS SEASIDE SPARROW was singing by the pond path, but failed to show itself.

Other recently arriving summer birds seen today included GLOSSY IBIS, WILLET, 2 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Marine Nature Study Area, Oceanside

[Grover, Bob]

There were single Seaside and Saltmarsh Sparrows at Gardiner County Park, in 
Bayshore, yesterday morning, along with a couple of Brown Thrashers.
Bob Grover


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Marine Nature Study Area, Oceanside 27 April

A FOS SEASIDE SPARROW was singing by the pond path, but failed to show itself.

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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Waterfowl

[Grover, Bob]

The Great South Bay Audubon annual Bob Laskowski Memorial Duck Walk on Saturday 
produced a below average 17 species of waterfowl, mitigated somewhat by a lack 
of open water at most sites visited.  The highlights included 72 Redheads, 
along with a few Canvasbacks, on Capri Lake in West Islip, which is the Redhead 
capitol of Long Island.  Most interesting was the presence of Common Mergansers 
at virtually every freshwater pond along Montauk Highway between East Islip and 
West Islip
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Waterfowl

[Grover, Bob]

The Great South Bay Audubon annual Bob Laskowski Memorial Duck Walk on Saturday 
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of open water at most sites visited.  The highlights included 72 Redheads, 
along with a few Canvasbacks, on Capri Lake in West Islip, which is the Redhead 
capitol of Long Island.  Most interesting was the presence of Common Mergansers 
at virtually every freshwater pond along Montauk Highway between East Islip and 
West Islip
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RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

[Grover, Bob]

Failure to properly manage invasive species, with the expectation that nature 
will take the proper course, is what we call the “Walt Disney theory of 
ecology”.
The NYSDEC is doing the right thing.
Bob Grover







From: bounce-111944324-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111944324-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Paul R Sweet
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:42 PM
To: Christina Wilkinson; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

Dear Christina

While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that 
they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and 
detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples 
of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat, for example from Michigan-

Mute swans are one of the world's most aggressive waterfowl species, especially 
during nesting and brood-rearing. Mute swans exhibit aggression toward other 
waterfowl and can displace native waterfowl from their nesting and feeding 
areas by attacking, injuring and even killing other birds.

In Michigan, of particular concern are native breeding waterfowl and water 
birds such as trumpeter swans (state threatened), Canada geese, ducks, common 
loons (state threatened), and black terns (state special concern).

The trumpeter swan is native to Michigan, and is on our state's threatened 
species list. It has been on the road to recovery; however, the increasing 
presence of the invasive mute swan is threatening the breeding success of this 
native bird. To ensure the protection of the trumpeter swan, the mute swan 
population must be drastically reduced.

Mute swan displacement and aggression toward native wildlife occurs frequently 
throughout North America. For example, the New York State Department of 
Environmental Conservation reported that three pairs of captive mute swans 
killed at least 50 ducks and geese in a zoo. The Maryland Department of Natural 
Resources has reported records of mute swans killing mallard ducklings, Canada 
goose goslings and cygnets of other mute swans. Not just waterfowl species are 
at risk. For example, a large molting flock of Maryland mute swans caused a 
colony of least terns and black skimmers to abandon their nesting colony by 
trampling nests containing eggs and chicks. These swans also displaced nesting 
Forster's and common terns.

Respectfully, Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
Cell: 718 757 5941

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html

First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans.

When will this ever end?

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RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

[Grover, Bob]

Failure to properly manage invasive species, with the expectation that nature 
will take the proper course, is what we call the “Walt Disney theory of 
ecology”.
The NYSDEC is doing the right thing.
Bob Grover







From: bounce-111944324-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111944324-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Paul R Sweet
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:42 PM
To: Christina Wilkinson; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

Dear Christina

While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that 
they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and 
detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples 
of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat, for example from Michigan-

Mute swans are one of the world's most aggressive waterfowl species, especially 
during nesting and brood-rearing. Mute swans exhibit aggression toward other 
waterfowl and can displace native waterfowl from their nesting and feeding 
areas by attacking, injuring and even killing other birds.

In Michigan, of particular concern are native breeding waterfowl and water 
birds such as trumpeter swans (state threatened), Canada geese, ducks, common 
loons (state threatened), and black terns (state special concern).

The trumpeter swan is native to Michigan, and is on our state's threatened 
species list. It has been on the road to recovery; however, the increasing 
presence of the invasive mute swan is threatening the breeding success of this 
native bird. To ensure the protection of the trumpeter swan, the mute swan 
population must be drastically reduced.

Mute swan displacement and aggression toward native wildlife occurs frequently 
throughout North America. For example, the New York State Department of 
Environmental Conservation reported that three pairs of captive mute swans 
killed at least 50 ducks and geese in a zoo. The Maryland Department of Natural 
Resources has reported records of mute swans killing mallard ducklings, Canada 
goose goslings and cygnets of other mute swans. Not just waterfowl species are 
at risk. For example, a large molting flock of Maryland mute swans caused a 
colony of least terns and black skimmers to abandon their nesting colony by 
trampling nests containing eggs and chicks. These swans also displaced nesting 
Forster's and common terns.

Respectfully, Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
Cell: 718 757 5941

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html

First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] are Snowy Owls really primarily diurnal hunters??

[Grover, Bob]

Wasn't there a paper in the Kingbird some years ago that described a Snowy Owl 
at Jones Beach that would sit in the dunes and periodically fly out over the 
ocean, in daylight, out of site, only to return a few minutes later with a 
Bonaparte's Gull?
Bob Grover






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[mailto:bounce-111096723-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Ardith Bondi
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:50 PM
To: Tim Dunn
Cc: NYSBIRDS; JerseyBirds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] are Snowy Owls really primarily diurnal hunters??

 From my observations, Sibley makes sense, but other guides, eg National 
Geographic and "expert" descriptions on the web, say they are largely diurnal. 
iBird punts and just says they have the ability to hunt during the day.

Ardith

On 12/3/13 12:14 PM, Tim Dunn wrote:
> Ardith and all,
>
> I can't claim any special knowledge here, but David Sibley mentions the 
> following in his description of snowy owl in his North American Birds field 
> guide:
>
> "More active at night, hunting small rodents and birds. Individuals seen far 
> to the south of normal range are often starved and stressed for food, and 
> thus active in daylight. Healthy birds are mainly nocturnal, like other owls."
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Dunn
> Babylon NY
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>>
>> A number of guides I have read indicate that Snowy Owls are primarily 
>> diurnal hunters.
>>
>> My experience watching Snowy Owls in the New York/New Jersey area over the 
>> years has been that they prefer to mostly snooze during the day and stretch, 
>> preen and fly out at dusk, not dissimilarly to many other owls. I understand 
>> that they will hunt more during the day if really hungry. But, is it 
>> possible that they developed a reputation for being diurnal hunters because 
>> they live in the arctic and have to hunt during long summer hours of 
>> daylight. And, given the option, they will do what most other owls are known 
>> to do?
>>
>> Ardith Bondi
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RE: [nysbirds-l] are Snowy Owls really primarily diurnal hunters??

[Grover, Bob]

Wasn't there a paper in the Kingbird some years ago that described a Snowy Owl 
at Jones Beach that would sit in the dunes and periodically fly out over the 
ocean, in daylight, out of site, only to return a few minutes later with a 
Bonaparte's Gull?
Bob Grover






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From: bounce-111096723-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111096723-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Ardith Bondi
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:50 PM
To: Tim Dunn
Cc: NYSBIRDS; JerseyBirds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] are Snowy Owls really primarily diurnal hunters??

 From my observations, Sibley makes sense, but other guides, eg National 
Geographic and expert descriptions on the web, say they are largely diurnal. 
iBird punts and just says they have the ability to hunt during the day.

Ardith

On 12/3/13 12:14 PM, Tim Dunn wrote:
 Ardith and all,

 I can't claim any special knowledge here, but David Sibley mentions the 
 following in his description of snowy owl in his North American Birds field 
 guide:

 More active at night, hunting small rodents and birds. Individuals seen far 
 to the south of normal range are often starved and stressed for food, and 
 thus active in daylight. Healthy birds are mainly nocturnal, like other owls.

 Thanks,
 Tim Dunn
 Babylon NY
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 3, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Ardith Bondiard...@earthlink.net  wrote:

 A number of guides I have read indicate that Snowy Owls are primarily 
 diurnal hunters.

 My experience watching Snowy Owls in the New York/New Jersey area over the 
 years has been that they prefer to mostly snooze during the day and stretch, 
 preen and fly out at dusk, not dissimilarly to many other owls. I understand 
 that they will hunt more during the day if really hungry. But, is it 
 possible that they developed a reputation for being diurnal hunters because 
 they live in the arctic and have to hunt during long summer hours of 
 daylight. And, given the option, they will do what most other owls are known 
 to do?

 Ardith Bondi
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[nysbirds-l] Staten Island eagles

[Grover, Bob]

There is a pair of adult Bald Eagles with a recently fledged eaglet frequenting 
the Prall's Island area of Arthurs Kill, as reported by a tugboat friend of 
mine.  He has been monitoring the adults for months, but has not been able to 
definitively locate the nest.
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[nysbirds-l] Staten Island eagles

[Grover, Bob]

There is a pair of adult Bald Eagles with a recently fledged eaglet frequenting 
the Prall's Island area of Arthurs Kill, as reported by a tugboat friend of 
mine.  He has been monitoring the adults for months, but has not been able to 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] New Migrants in Babylon NY this AM

[Grover, Bob]

A couple of hours makes a big difference.  At noon today the activity in my 
West Islip yard was much quieter that what Tim observed this morning a mile or 
two west.  All of my siskins from yesterday had departed.  I did have, however, 
a flock of about a dozen YR Warblers fly in while I was there, and they were 
desperate for water.  They mobbed my little garden stream and several of them 
did virtual belly flops right into the middle of both of my ponds, which are 
well over a foot deep, where they splashed around for a few seconds before 
flying off the water.  I have never seen this behavior in warblers before
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[mailto:bounce-69384489-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Timothy Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:31 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] New Migrants in Babylon NY this AM

I was in my driveway and front yard this morning in the Argyle Park section of 
Babylon, apparently seeing a large influx of new overnight migrants. Between 
7:40am and 8:30am, I observed the following:

80 Dark-eyed Juncos
25 White-throated Sparrows
8 Chipping Sparrows
3 Song Sparrows
4 Hermit Thrushes
1 Gray-cheeked Thrush
10-12 Yellow-rumped Warblers
4 Golden-crowned Kinglets (more heard)
1 Ruby-crowned Kinglet
1 Eastern Phoebe
1 White-breasted Nuthatch
1-2 Red-breasted Nuthatches (heard only)
1 Brown-headed Cowbird
1 Rusty Blackbird (a first for my yard list and seeming somewhat out of place 
by itself, hanging near, but not with, local starlings)
1-2 Red-winged Blackbirds (heard only)
1 Common Grackle
1 Northern Flicker (flyover)

Add in my regular locals:
1 Gray Catbird
4 Am. Robins
2 N. Cardinals
1 Blue Jay
1 N. Mockingbird
2 House Finches
3 Mourning Doves
1 Black-capped Chickadee (heard only)
1 Downy Woodpecker
1 Red-bellied Woodpecker
1 Mallard (flyover)
2 Herring Gulls (flyover)

And my usual resident invasives:
2 Rock Pigeons
15 E. Starlings
8 House Sparrows

32 Species for the morning without having to go more than 40 feet from my front 
door.  My feeders are not even up yet, but there is a 100'x300' grassy/weedy 
field next door that attracted the juncos, chippers, white-throateds and 
blackbirds.

No siskins or goldfinches.

Tim Dunn
Babylon NY



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Robert Moses State Park Birds This Morning (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Following up on Ken's post, my oak trees were teeming with Pine Siskins 
yesterday during two brief observing sessions at noon and 5PM.  My yard is one 
mile west and one mile north of the Captree Bridge where Ken saw them cross to 
the mainland.  With the trees still fully leafed out, it was impossible to 
accurately estimate their numbers, but I would guess around 75.  They were 
platooning back and forth to the thistle feeder.  If I thought this amazing 
flight would continue much longer, I'd get some additional feeders.  My 
previous high for siskins at my feeders was two!
Bob Grover









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[mailto:bounce-69382116-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of ken feustel
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:44 PM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Robert Moses State Park Birds This Morning (Suffolk Co.)

Before I relate the details of our morning's birding at RMSP, let me first say 
that we searched unsuccessfully for the previously reported Say's Phoebe from 
11:30AM to 12:30PM around the FI Lighthouse and the trails leading back to the 
hawk watch. When we left the bird had not been relocated. As a comparison the 
dates of last years Suffolk County Say's Phoebes were Oct 4-5 (Caumsett State 
Park) and Oct 7 (RMSP).

The Pine Siskin and Yellow-rumped Warbler show continued with thousands of each 
species streaming down the beach. The flight also featured good numbers of 
Red-winged Blackbirds and American Goldfinch. Birds occurring in modest numbers 
were Flicker, American Robin, Purple Finch, and Cedar Waxwing.  Highlights were 
few, but included a single Lincoln's Sparrow just east of the Field 2 toll 
booths, and a Blue Grosbeak that John Gluth first saw by the volleyball courts 
and we then picked up in the parkway median. Eastern Meadowlarks were observed 
in one and twos during the morning, a few stopping in the planted islands in 
front of the Field 2 concession. Sparrow numbers were unimpressive, the most 
numerous being Dark-eyed Junco. We have never experienced the sustained Siskin 
flight of the last few weeks, where over a thousand individuals have frequently 
been recorded in a few hours birding. On a related Siskin note, we observed two 
flock of Siskins moving north across Great South Bay on the east side of the 
Captree Bridge, thereby avoiding the west winds that had developed by the early 
afternoon.

Good Birding,

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Robert Moses State Park Birds This Morning (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Following up on Ken's post, my oak trees were teeming with Pine Siskins 
yesterday during two brief observing sessions at noon and 5PM.  My yard is one 
mile west and one mile north of the Captree Bridge where Ken saw them cross to 
the mainland.  With the trees still fully leafed out, it was impossible to 
accurately estimate their numbers, but I would guess around 75.  They were 
platooning back and forth to the thistle feeder.  If I thought this amazing 
flight would continue much longer, I'd get some additional feeders.  My 
previous high for siskins at my feeders was two!
Bob Grover









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[mailto:bounce-69382116-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of ken feustel
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:44 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Robert Moses State Park Birds This Morning (Suffolk Co.)

Before I relate the details of our morning's birding at RMSP, let me first say 
that we searched unsuccessfully for the previously reported Say's Phoebe from 
11:30AM to 12:30PM around the FI Lighthouse and the trails leading back to the 
hawk watch. When we left the bird had not been relocated. As a comparison the 
dates of last years Suffolk County Say's Phoebes were Oct 4-5 (Caumsett State 
Park) and Oct 7 (RMSP).

The Pine Siskin and Yellow-rumped Warbler show continued with thousands of each 
species streaming down the beach. The flight also featured good numbers of 
Red-winged Blackbirds and American Goldfinch. Birds occurring in modest numbers 
were Flicker, American Robin, Purple Finch, and Cedar Waxwing.  Highlights were 
few, but included a single Lincoln's Sparrow just east of the Field 2 toll 
booths, and a Blue Grosbeak that John Gluth first saw by the volleyball courts 
and we then picked up in the parkway median. Eastern Meadowlarks were observed 
in one and twos during the morning, a few stopping in the planted islands in 
front of the Field 2 concession. Sparrow numbers were unimpressive, the most 
numerous being Dark-eyed Junco. We have never experienced the sustained Siskin 
flight of the last few weeks, where over a thousand individuals have frequently 
been recorded in a few hours birding. On a related Siskin note, we observed two 
flock of Siskins moving north across Great South Bay on the east side of the 
Captree Bridge, thereby avoiding the west winds that had developed by the early 
afternoon.

Good Birding,

Ken  Sue Feustel
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RE: [nysbirds-l] New Migrants in Babylon NY this AM

[Grover, Bob]

A couple of hours makes a big difference.  At noon today the activity in my 
West Islip yard was much quieter that what Tim observed this morning a mile or 
two west.  All of my siskins from yesterday had departed.  I did have, however, 
a flock of about a dozen YR Warblers fly in while I was there, and they were 
desperate for water.  They mobbed my little garden stream and several of them 
did virtual belly flops right into the middle of both of my ponds, which are 
well over a foot deep, where they splashed around for a few seconds before 
flying off the water.  I have never seen this behavior in warblers before
Bob Grover


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To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] New Migrants in Babylon NY this AM

I was in my driveway and front yard this morning in the Argyle Park section of 
Babylon, apparently seeing a large influx of new overnight migrants. Between 
7:40am and 8:30am, I observed the following:

80 Dark-eyed Juncos
25 White-throated Sparrows
8 Chipping Sparrows
3 Song Sparrows
4 Hermit Thrushes
1 Gray-cheeked Thrush
10-12 Yellow-rumped Warblers
4 Golden-crowned Kinglets (more heard)
1 Ruby-crowned Kinglet
1 Eastern Phoebe
1 White-breasted Nuthatch
1-2 Red-breasted Nuthatches (heard only)
1 Brown-headed Cowbird
1 Rusty Blackbird (a first for my yard list and seeming somewhat out of place 
by itself, hanging near, but not with, local starlings)
1-2 Red-winged Blackbirds (heard only)
1 Common Grackle
1 Northern Flicker (flyover)

Add in my regular locals:
1 Gray Catbird
4 Am. Robins
2 N. Cardinals
1 Blue Jay
1 N. Mockingbird
2 House Finches
3 Mourning Doves
1 Black-capped Chickadee (heard only)
1 Downy Woodpecker
1 Red-bellied Woodpecker
1 Mallard (flyover)
2 Herring Gulls (flyover)

And my usual resident invasives:
2 Rock Pigeons
15 E. Starlings
8 House Sparrows

32 Species for the morning without having to go more than 40 feet from my front 
door.  My feeders are not even up yet, but there is a 100'x300' grassy/weedy 
field next door that attracted the juncos, chippers, white-throateds and 
blackbirds.

No siskins or goldfinches.

Tim Dunn
Babylon NY



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[nysbirds-l] NY Harbor Bald Eagle

[Grover, Bob]

I just heard from a friend of mine who operates a tugboat in the harbor.  For 
the past month or so, there has been an adult Bald Eagle frequenting the area 
between Prall's and Shooters Islands, in Arthur Kill on the northwest corner of 
Staten Island.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl. House Wren

[Grover, Bob]

An early morning walk at the Southards Pond greenbelt this morning revealed 
numerous recent arrivals to the park.  These included House Wren, four Spotted 
Sandpipers, a beautiful drake Wood Duck on the pond, Warbling and White-eyed 
Vireos, Common Yellowthroat, Blue-winged Warbler, and Ovenbird.  A trilling 
Eastern Screech Owl added some spice to the overcast morning.  A very 
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Seaside Sparrows

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Tim Dunn and I found two singing Seaside Sparrows yesterday (Sunday) morning at 
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Tim Dunn and I found two singing Seaside Sparrows yesterday (Sunday) morning at 
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New arrivals at Southards Park (Babylon Village) early this AM included N. 
Parula and N. Waterthrush.
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New arrivals at Southards Park (Babylon Village) early this AM included N. 
Parula and N. Waterthrush.
Bob Grover

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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, Southards Pond, No Hooded

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This morning, from 6:15 to 7:00, I was able to relocate most of the birds 
reported by Ken Feustel, but the (main target) Hooded Warbler was not in 
evidence.  I may try again at lunch time.  I was able to add a FOS Warbling 
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, Southards Pond, No Hooded

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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Woodcocks and a rant

[Grover, Bob]

Acting on a tip from a coworker that good numbers of American Woodcocks were 
displaying at Robert Moses S. P., I took a crepuscular walk there last evening. 
 I probably saw and/or heard 8 woodcocks, mostly between the hawkwatch platform 
and the lighthouse, on National Seashore properly, along the boardwalk.  Always 
great to experience their display.  I was driven out by the cold and another 
commitment probably before the activity peaked.

On the way into field 5, there was a group of about six deer and a fox all 
feeding together, a bizarre sight in itself, on the side of the road, obviously 
taking advantage of a food dump from a car window.  There were two cars stopped 
in the road watching the "wildlife", blocking both lanes.  Suddenly the fox 
walked in front of both cars and walked right up to the driver side window, and 
SAT DOWN, like a pet dog begging for a treat!  I don't know if it recognized 
the car or what, but it got me thinking.  How did we end up with these hoards 
of animal lovers who seemingly learned their wildlife ecology from watching 
Disney movies?

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[nysbirds-l] Islip Ponds (SW Suffolk)

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Saturday's Great South Bay Audubon waterfowl trip turned up two Cackling Geese 
and an astounding 104 Redhead, as counted by Michael McBrien, all at Capri Lake 
in West Islip.  The Cackling Geese were in a flock of Canadas which shuttles 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Mitred Parakeet fly-by

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On a related but more countable note, the West Islip (SW Suffolk) Monk Parakeet 
flock made an appearance in my yard yesterday with eight birds.  If they had 
shown themselves a few weeks ago, I could have ruined a CBC save!!
Bob Grover

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I was just lingering briefly at my apartment window which has an
expansive view, when a flock of Mitred Parakeets flew by.  I could
hear their screeching through the closed window.  Looked like 12 or 13
birds which is about the right number for the flock that is seen in
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Mitred Parakeet fly-by

[Grover, Bob]

On a related but more countable note, the West Islip (SW Suffolk) Monk Parakeet 
flock made an appearance in my yard yesterday with eight birds.  If they had 
shown themselves a few weeks ago, I could have ruined a CBC save!!
Bob Grover

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I was just lingering briefly at my apartment window which has an
expansive view, when a flock of Mitred Parakeets flew by.  I could
hear their screeching through the closed window.  Looked like 12 or 13
birds which is about the right number for the flock that is seen in
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

[Grover, Bob]

I know I risk excoriation here, but has a museum study skin never been 
misidentified?
Bob Grover

From: bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Funny, but I was going to ask about this shrike yesterday to see if anyone had 
taken a long hard look at it.  I saw another photo and I just can't make it 
into a Northern Shrike.

I have put some photos of a specimen from the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates 
that might be of interest at
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/SpecimenExamples

It is a hatch year female taken in Mecox, Suffolk Co. on 26 November 1946.  It 
shows neat light barring across the chest, a gray unbarred back, and a pale 
patch at the base of the bill.  Several individuals in the collection looked 
similar.  The Jones Beach individual looks very similar to my eyes, except that 
it doesn't have the retained juvenal wing coverts, but that molt can be 
variable among individuals.

Shai's real Northern Shrike photo shows very substantial contrast in shape, 
bill shape, mask size, coloring, and markings.  I was not able to find a single 
specimen of Northern Shrike in the Cornell collection that even remotely looked 
odd or like the Jones Beach bird.  Not to say that the collection encompasses 
the entire variation, but they all looked pretty much alike.

Interesting bird.  Here's hoping it really is a young Loggerhead; the 
population could use it!

Keivn

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From: bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Just to add some other images, here are some photos of Loggerhead Shrike photo 
showing vermiculations

http://www.beachhunter.net/blog/2008/04/wherefore-art-thou-loggerhead.html

http://sdakotabirds.com/species/loggerhead_shrike_info.htm


And here is Kevin McGowan's pretty excellent review of the two species using 
specimens.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/loggerhd.htm

Hugh
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
I forgot to include links to photos.

Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for comparison:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#

Here are some from John Gluth:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/


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Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:16 AM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been identified 
by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of back-channel 
discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a Loggerhead.

When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of the 
debates surrounding its identity, so I made an effort to evaluate  the various 
characters that have been proposed in support of each species. As might be 
suspected multiple features have been proposed to support each view, so the 
question is how to evaluate the relative reliability of each character.

To me, the bird appeared relatively small and quick (vs. the large and lanky 
impression usually imparted by Northern Shrike), with a relatively large head, 
rounded crown, and short bill--all consistent with Loggerhead Shrike. Also 
consistent with Loggerhead Shrike was the relatively dark gray tone to its back.

Features more consistent with Northern Shrike include: extensively pale base to 
lower mandible, heavily hooked upper mandible, the shape of the black mask 
behind the eye, obvious gray barring on the breast in the absence of any 
barring on the back.

The appearance of this bird's mask in the area of the eye itself and in front 
of the eye seems equivocal and has been argued in both directions, but I find 
it easier to find photos of Loggerheads that match its facial appearance than 
photos of Northerns that do so.

Taking these features individually, I think that individual variation could 
account for many discrepancies either way. For 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

[Grover, Bob]

I know I risk excoriation here, but has a museum study skin never been 
misidentified?
Bob Grover

From: bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Funny, but I was going to ask about this shrike yesterday to see if anyone had 
taken a long hard look at it.  I saw another photo and I just can't make it 
into a Northern Shrike.

I have put some photos of a specimen from the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates 
that might be of interest at
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/SpecimenExamples

It is a hatch year female taken in Mecox, Suffolk Co. on 26 November 1946.  It 
shows neat light barring across the chest, a gray unbarred back, and a pale 
patch at the base of the bill.  Several individuals in the collection looked 
similar.  The Jones Beach individual looks very similar to my eyes, except that 
it doesn't have the retained juvenal wing coverts, but that molt can be 
variable among individuals.

Shai's real Northern Shrike photo shows very substantial contrast in shape, 
bill shape, mask size, coloring, and markings.  I was not able to find a single 
specimen of Northern Shrike in the Cornell collection that even remotely looked 
odd or like the Jones Beach bird.  Not to say that the collection encompasses 
the entire variation, but they all looked pretty much alike.

Interesting bird.  Here's hoping it really is a young Loggerhead; the 
population could use it!

Keivn

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Just to add some other images, here are some photos of Loggerhead Shrike photo 
showing vermiculations

http://www.beachhunter.net/blog/2008/04/wherefore-art-thou-loggerhead.html

http://sdakotabirds.com/species/loggerhead_shrike_info.htm


And here is Kevin McGowan's pretty excellent review of the two species using 
specimens.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/loggerhd.htm

Hugh
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edumailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu wrote:
I forgot to include links to photos.

Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for comparison:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010

Here are some from John Gluth:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/


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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been identified 
by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of back-channel 
discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a Loggerhead.

When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of the 
debates surrounding its identity, so I made an effort to evaluate  the various 
characters that have been proposed in support of each species. As might be 
suspected multiple features have been proposed to support each view, so the 
question is how to evaluate the relative reliability of each character.

To me, the bird appeared relatively small and quick (vs. the large and lanky 
impression usually imparted by Northern Shrike), with a relatively large head, 
rounded crown, and short bill--all consistent with Loggerhead Shrike. Also 
consistent with Loggerhead Shrike was the relatively dark gray tone to its back.

Features more consistent with Northern Shrike include: extensively pale base to 
lower mandible, heavily hooked upper mandible, the shape of the black mask 
behind the eye, obvious gray barring on the breast in the absence of any 
barring on the back.

The appearance of this bird's mask in the area of the eye itself and in front 
of the eye seems equivocal and has been argued in both directions, but I find 
it easier to find photos of Loggerheads that match its facial appearance than 
photos of Northerns that do so.

Taking these features individually, I think that individual variation could 
account for many discrepancies 

[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk weekend waterfowl, herons

[Grover, Bob]

Yesterday I spent a couple hours scouting around the beach and a few mainland 
ponds.  The highlights consisted mostly of waterfowl and waders.  At Captree SP 
there were two juv. Yellow-crowned Night Herons and two American Bitterns in 
the marshes north of the State Channel, which could be seen from the boat 
basin.  One of the bitterns was stalking slowly while the other was doing the 
"swaying with the reeds" cryptic behavior.  Three Great Blue Herons were also 
present.  On the mainland, at the small pond west of the YMCA in Bay Shore, 
there were five Black-crowned Night Herons.  This location is becoming 
increasingly reliable for this species in winter. At Capri Lake, in West Islip, 
14 species of waterfowl were present including two each of Canvasback, Redhead 
and Ring-necked Duck, around 15 Lesser Scaup, 60 Green-winged Teal (no 
Eurasians), 75 Ruddy Ducks, and 100 Hooded Mergansers.
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk weekend waterfowl, herons

[Grover, Bob]

Yesterday I spent a couple hours scouting around the beach and a few mainland 
ponds.  The highlights consisted mostly of waterfowl and waders.  At Captree SP 
there were two juv. Yellow-crowned Night Herons and two American Bitterns in 
the marshes north of the State Channel, which could be seen from the boat 
basin.  One of the bitterns was stalking slowly while the other was doing the 
swaying with the reeds cryptic behavior.  Three Great Blue Herons were also 
present.  On the mainland, at the small pond west of the YMCA in Bay Shore, 
there were five Black-crowned Night Herons.  This location is becoming 
increasingly reliable for this species in winter. At Capri Lake, in West Islip, 
14 species of waterfowl were present including two each of Canvasback, Redhead 
and Ring-necked Duck, around 15 Lesser Scaup, 60 Green-winged Teal (no 
Eurasians), 75 Ruddy Ducks, and 100 Hooded Mergansers.
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FW: [nysbirds-l] Arshamomaque Preserve

[Grover, Bob]

I sure would be interested to know if anyone has attempted to make a 
guesstimate of the number of YR Warblers present on Long Island the past two 
weeks.
Bob Grover

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Arshamomaque Preserve

Needing to drop my son off at the Orient Point Ferry for his trip back to 
college, we took advantage of the beautiful weather to bird the Arshamomaque 
Preserve, located just west of Greenport, on LI's North Fork.

Yellow-rumped warblers were common everywhere. At the intersection of the main 
trail and the trail to the observation tower, in front of the large stand of 
winterberry, we hit an active patch of foraging migrants which commanded our 
attention for half an hour.  Species seen included a parula and black-throated 
blue warbler (females in both cases), an eastern towhee, a downy woodpecker, a 
lone brown creeper living up to its name, affording great close up views, and 
numerous golden-crowned and ruby-crowned kinglets. If we didn't have a ferry to 
catch we probably would have seen more.

It was also nice to see several specimens of swamp white oak (Quercus bicolor), 
growing along the tower trail; swamp white oak is an uncommon oak species on 
Long Island.

It was a wonderful day at one of the Island's wonderful, but lesser known 
preserves.

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FW: [nysbirds-l] Arshamomaque Preserve

[Grover, Bob]

I sure would be interested to know if anyone has attempted to make a 
guesstimate of the number of YR Warblers present on Long Island the past two 
weeks.
Bob Grover

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Arshamomaque Preserve

Needing to drop my son off at the Orient Point Ferry for his trip back to 
college, we took advantage of the beautiful weather to bird the Arshamomaque 
Preserve, located just west of Greenport, on LI's North Fork.

Yellow-rumped warblers were common everywhere. At the intersection of the main 
trail and the trail to the observation tower, in front of the large stand of 
winterberry, we hit an active patch of foraging migrants which commanded our 
attention for half an hour.  Species seen included a parula and black-throated 
blue warbler (females in both cases), an eastern towhee, a downy woodpecker, a 
lone brown creeper living up to its name, affording great close up views, and 
numerous golden-crowned and ruby-crowned kinglets. If we didn't have a ferry to 
catch we probably would have seen more.

It was also nice to see several specimens of swamp white oak (Quercus bicolor), 
growing along the tower trail; swamp white oak is an uncommon oak species on 
Long Island.

It was a wonderful day at one of the Island's wonderful, but lesser known 
preserves.

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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, Bay-breasted.

[Grover, Bob]

Among the ten warbler species at the Southard's trail (Babylon) this morning, I 
had great looks at a Bay-breasted.  Other notable birds included a singing 
Swainson's Thrush and a Black-crowned Night Heron.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, Bay-breasted.

[Grover, Bob]

Among the ten warbler species at the Southard's trail (Babylon) this morning, I 
had great looks at a Bay-breasted.  Other notable birds included a singing 
Swainson's Thrush and a Black-crowned Night Heron.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Blue Grosbeak at RMSP Field 2 (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Still there at 6:30 AM this morning.  It was favoring the second small circle 
from the north, on the right as you drive in.

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Blue Grosbeak at RMSP Field 2 (Suffolk Co.)

At 1:30PM this afternoon there was an immature male Blue Grosbeak in front 
(north) of the Robert Moses State Park Field 2 concession.  The bird was easily 
disturbed and moved around the parking area quite a bit, but was last seen 
along the north border of the parking lot west of the main entrance to Field 2.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Blue Grosbeak at RMSP Field 2 (Suffolk Co.)

[Grover, Bob]

Still there at 6:30 AM this morning.  It was favoring the second small circle 
from the north, on the right as you drive in.

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Blue Grosbeak at RMSP Field 2 (Suffolk Co.)

At 1:30PM this afternoon there was an immature male Blue Grosbeak in front 
(north) of the Robert Moses State Park Field 2 concession.  The bird was easily 
disturbed and moved around the parking area quite a bit, but was last seen 
along the north border of the parking lot west of the main entrance to Field 2.

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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl Wilow Fly, Saltmarsh Sparrow.

[Grover, Bob]

My pre-work visit to Gardiner County Park produced nothing in the fields and 
woods beyond what John Gluth reported from Monday.  Fortunately, however, there 
were lots of new goodies in the saltmarsh.  On the way down the main path, I 
ran into Pete Palumbo, who provided exact directions to a rather non-vocal 
Saltmarsh Sparrow.  In addition, there was a single singing Willow Flycatcher, 
no less than five Marsh Wrens, and two Seaside Sparrows.  Along the shore were 
many Least Sandpipers, double-digit Willets, and a Lesser Yellowlegs.
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Blue-winged Warbler

[Grover, Bob]

At lunchtime today there was a (FOS) Blue-winged Warbler that was obliging 
enough to drop into my West Islip garden stream and splash around while I sat 
10 feet away in a chair enjoying a Friday "beverage" for lunch.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, incl E. Kingbird

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My Yellow Warbler drought was broken yesterday afternoon at Gardiner County 
Park with one singing male.  On this morning's half-hour birding hike at 
Southard's Pond, there were no less than ten of them, so the birds were 
definitely on the move last night.  The other new arrivals included Eastern 
Kingbird and N. Rough-winged Swallow.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk, incl E. Kingbird

[Grover, Bob]

My Yellow Warbler drought was broken yesterday afternoon at Gardiner County 
Park with one singing male.  On this morning's half-hour birding hike at 
Southard's Pond, there were no less than ten of them, so the birds were 
definitely on the move last night.  The other new arrivals included Eastern 
Kingbird and N. Rough-winged Swallow.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Blue-winged Warbler

[Grover, Bob]

At lunchtime today there was a (FOS) Blue-winged Warbler that was obliging 
enough to drop into my West Islip garden stream and splash around while I sat 
10 feet away in a chair enjoying a Friday beverage for lunch.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl. Worm-eating Warbler

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In a topsy-turvy spring migration where I have yet to see a Yellow Warbler, I 
found a Worm-eating Warbler at the Southard's Greenbelt (Babylon Village) this 
morning, along the equestrian trail.  Baltimore Oriole was also on hand for a 
FOS.  Other birds of note were Osprey, Belted Kingfisher, Barn Swallow and 
Swamp Sparrow.  The Red-eyed Vireo found yesterday was not evident.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl. Worm-eating Warbler

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found a Worm-eating Warbler at the Southard's Greenbelt (Babylon Village) this 
morning, along the equestrian trail.  Baltimore Oriole was also on hand for a 
FOS.  Other birds of note were Osprey, Belted Kingfisher, Barn Swallow and 
Swamp Sparrow.  The Red-eyed Vireo found yesterday was not evident.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl. Red-eyed Vireo

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41 degrees with a wind chill of 32 made for five layer early morning spring 
birding, but I figured yesterday's weather system had to restart spring 
migration out here on the island.  Season firsts at Southard's Pond in Babylon 
included Spotted Sandpiper, Great-crested Flycatcher, Red-eyed Vireo  and 
Northern Waterthrush.  Pretty good half hour.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk incl. Red-eyed Vireo

[Grover, Bob]

41 degrees with a wind chill of 32 made for five layer early morning spring 
birding, but I figured yesterday's weather system had to restart spring 
migration out here on the island.  Season firsts at Southard's Pond in Babylon 
included Spotted Sandpiper, Great-crested Flycatcher, Red-eyed Vireo  and 
Northern Waterthrush.  Pretty good half hour.
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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk W E Vireo

[Grover, Bob]

When I walked out to get in the car at 6:30 AM this morning, there was a 
White-eyed Vireo singing in my yard. FOS for me.
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk W E Vireo

[Grover, Bob]

When I walked out to get in the car at 6:30 AM this morning, there was a 
White-eyed Vireo singing in my yard. FOS for me.
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] Smith Point Suffolk County Prothonoary Warbler!!!

[Grover, Bob]

I was at Smith Point County Park this morning to do some erosion-related 
surveys. While still in the car at the outer beach building I saw a bird out of 
the corner of my eye fly into a notch of a window frame on the south side of 
the building.  Expecting a House Sparrow, I picked up my binoculars and focused 
on the spot.  Seconds later, the bird emerged-a beautiful Prothonotary 
Warbler-and perched on the edge of the window.  It then flew around the back 
(east) of the building for a few seconds then back in sight, where it hovered 
in front of another window and perched briefly on a window trim.  I was able to 
note every field mark to eliminate any doubt.  It repeated the trip back to the 
east and back again several times.  Finally it flew all the way around the 
building and continued west toward the main parking area. I wasn't able to 
relocate it after that.  Perhaps the protho was carried up with the most recent 
storm.
There were few birds of note out on the beach.  A couple of Black-belied 
Plovers, only the expected gulls, Song Sparrows, and the various expected 
blackbird species.
On a side (non-mammalian) note, the beach was littered with hundreds, maybe 
thousands, of balloons, the large majority of which were of the more persistent 
mylar variety.  I recently wrote a column proposing a ban on these, for what 
it's worth.  We picked up lots of them, but didn't even make a dent.  Several 
of the balloons were for the election of Manny Segura, who is running for mayor 
of some town in New Jersey!
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] Smith Point Suffolk County Prothonoary Warbler!!!

[Grover, Bob]

I was at Smith Point County Park this morning to do some erosion-related 
surveys. While still in the car at the outer beach building I saw a bird out of 
the corner of my eye fly into a notch of a window frame on the south side of 
the building.  Expecting a House Sparrow, I picked up my binoculars and focused 
on the spot.  Seconds later, the bird emerged-a beautiful Prothonotary 
Warbler-and perched on the edge of the window.  It then flew around the back 
(east) of the building for a few seconds then back in sight, where it hovered 
in front of another window and perched briefly on a window trim.  I was able to 
note every field mark to eliminate any doubt.  It repeated the trip back to the 
east and back again several times.  Finally it flew all the way around the 
building and continued west toward the main parking area. I wasn't able to 
relocate it after that.  Perhaps the protho was carried up with the most recent 
storm.
There were few birds of note out on the beach.  A couple of Black-belied 
Plovers, only the expected gulls, Song Sparrows, and the various expected 
blackbird species.
On a side (non-mammalian) note, the beach was littered with hundreds, maybe 
thousands, of balloons, the large majority of which were of the more persistent 
mylar variety.  I recently wrote a column proposing a ban on these, for what 
it's worth.  We picked up lots of them, but didn't even make a dent.  Several 
of the balloons were for the election of Manny Segura, who is running for mayor 
of some town in New Jersey!
Bob Grover


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[nysbirds-l] SW Suffolk Gr Egret

[Grover, Bob]

Today at noon, there was a Great Egret at the north end of Argyle Lake in 
Babylon Village.  I'm sure that by now there are numbers of them around, but I 
haven't been out much since January.  I guess it's time to get back in the game.
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