Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Hi Catherine. I used it once or twice in the last 20 months. I think it's 2 capsules 3x per day, but I took one once and 6 hours later I had MELONS on my chest. I don't think I really needed it, but I was just having one of those small moments of self-doubt. Jo On 14/02/2007, at 6:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote: Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson.
Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes
I put on almost 20kg and mine had to be broken after the birth :) I know it's just anecdote, but I find this stuff interesting. Jo On 22/01/2007, at 9:21 AM, Michelle Windsor wrote: I haven't heard of this Jo but did read something fairly recently (possibly on this list!) that women who took vitamin C were less likely to have pre-labour ruptured membranes. It is interesting that some women's membranes seem to break so easily, like when doing a VE and others stay intact until birth. Maybe there is a relation between maternal nutrition and the membranes. Cheers Michelle - Original Message From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, 22 January, 2007 10:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes I have absolutely no data on this, but someone once told me it correlates with weight gain during pregnancy. Has anyone else heard of this? Jo On 21/01/2007, at 9:22 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Hi all, Can anyone comment on what makes the membranes 'tough'..ie. hard to break (AROM) or *slow* to break naturally ? (hard to measure yes) Does this exist or is it just something that happens? Many thanks, Kristin Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http:// au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes
I have absolutely no data on this, but someone once told me it correlates with weight gain during pregnancy. Has anyone else heard of this? Jo On 21/01/2007, at 9:22 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Hi all, Can anyone comment on what makes the membranes 'tough'..ie. hard to break (AROM) or *slow* to break naturally ? (hard to measure yes) Does this exist or is it just something that happens? Many thanks, Kristin Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Thanks, Jayne. I guess I don't fit that theory at all! I am lucky to have no period. I think my body knows it's not time for another baby just yet! Jo On 23/12/2006, at 1:19 PM, jayne/jesse wrote: Hey Jo, I've read (sorry I can't reference to it but this has been in my own general research because of my interest in the subject) that one of the factors that could play a part in fertility returning when a women is breastfeeding is in fact their level of body fat. It pinpointed those with a higher than average level of body fat were more likely to have a return of fertility despite fully breastfeeding and eliminating other supposed factors such as introducing solids. But I think what you are saying is also very interesting. My body fat levels increased from about the time baby was around 8 months onwards until I modified my diet and exercise programs back to what they were pre pregnancy/baby days. Hormones?? I think with two of my babies, there were actually feeding a lot more (fully breastfed until close to 11 months old) when I noticed this happening than as younger infants. But lucky you on the no period yet! This is what I'm trying to caution over re breastfeeding as a contraception - there seems to not be a fixed set of rules that can be given out to each individual. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Hi Jayne, Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation returns? If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later? I have put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub almost 19 months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times in 24 hours, but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no milk between about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take). I still have no periods! Jo On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote: Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%. I have to agree with Janet though. There are very real reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture particularly. Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp! I was fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it happened. So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success rates re breastfeeding as contraception I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels. Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned. There was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; ) Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : ) * Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea +fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30) * Supplementing feeds (formula or solids) * Increased use of pacifiers * Feeding on schedule instead of on demand * Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night) * Waiting until bub is 6mths or older * Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking) * Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Hi Jayne, Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation returns? If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later? I have put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub almost 19 months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times in 24 hours, but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no milk between about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take). I still have no periods! Jo On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote: Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%. I have to agree with Janet though. There are very real reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture particularly. Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp! I was fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it happened. So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success rates re breastfeeding as contraception I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels. Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned. There was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; ) Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : ) * Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea +fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30) * Supplementing feeds (formula or solids) * Increased use of pacifiers * Feeding on schedule instead of on demand * Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night) * Waiting until bub is 6mths or older * Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking) * Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26 (4):517-27.,http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) * Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand mumma? How long will it be until your period returns? Average return of menses for women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 months and others as late as 42 months. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still affect your chances of conception. (http:// www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906) Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method
Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc
From what I've heard, it is a drug not licensed for use in obstetrics (but it is used, obviously) ... I can't remember it's primary function though. And I can't be bothered googling right now. Jo On 15/11/2006, at 5:02 PM, meg wrote: I work at a major tertiary hospital-we stock misoprostil and use it with pph's so I think it is licenced. Meg - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc misoprostal isn't licenced here is Australia. I wouldn't be prescribing it if I were a GP. When I was Working at a private Hospital the Obs kept it in their own possesion. It isn't licenced to be kept at the hospital as far as I know. The pharmacy at the hospital wouldn't touch it. It's not the sort of drug you should have at a homebirth anyway. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I am hoping to get a script for Misoprostal (sp) for my homebirth. Any ideas. Should I just ask a GP? What are they liable for if they do prescribe it. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robyn Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc Yes, the synto is about $100 a box. So what I do, is buy/pay for one box, which lasts for the next women ( does that make sense?), I only use Synto about once a year! ( and then there are the years you need it 3 times in a row!) Robyn D - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, Thanks Cath Had a client recently who I sent to her GP for a script for synt. She got the script, went to the chemist to fill it found it was going to cost her around $80 to get it - they only sold it in the boxes of five vials. I ended up asking around my MIPP friends managed to find some that way (dint need it anyway so its still in my fridge). If you give me your postal address Im happy to post some to you - my understanding is that its ok to keep it out of the fridge for a time. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer - Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1866 (20061114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc
Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying. :) Jo On 15/11/2006, at 6:25 PM, Melissa Singer wrote: Hi Jo, I think it is not licenced for use for induction of labour with live babies in australia. It's ok for stillbirth induction and pph. Melissa - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc From what I've heard, it is a drug not licensed for use in obstetrics (but it is used, obviously) ... I can't remember it's primary function though. And I can't be bothered googling right now. Jo On 15/11/2006, at 5:02 PM, meg wrote: I work at a major tertiary hospital-we stock misoprostil and use it with pph's so I think it is licenced. Meg - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc misoprostal isn't licenced here is Australia. I wouldn't be prescribing it if I were a GP. When I was Working at a private Hospital the Obs kept it in their own possesion. It isn't licenced to be kept at the hospital as far as I know. The pharmacy at the hospital wouldn't touch it. It's not the sort of drug you should have at a homebirth anyway. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I am hoping to get a script for Misoprostal (sp) for my homebirth. Any ideas. Should I just ask a GP? What are they liable for if they do prescribe it. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robyn Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc Yes, the synto is about $100 a box. So what I do, is buy/pay for one box, which lasts for the next women ( does that make sense?), I only use Synto about once a year! ( and then there are the years you need it 3 times in a row!) Robyn D - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, Thanks Cath Had a client recently who I sent to her GP for a script for synt. She got the script, went to the chemist to fill it found it was going to cost her around $80 to get it - they only sold it in the boxes of five vials. I ended up asking around my MIPP friends managed to find some that way (dint need it anyway so its still in my fridge). If you give me your postal address Im happy to post some to you - my understanding is that its ok to keep it out of the fridge for a time. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer - Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1866 (20061114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Call to action
This looks pretty exciting so far! Will have to read it in depth first though. I've printed out the document to read while waiting in waiting rooms and the like ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] International Help
Thanks heaps, Paivi and Janet! I will pass that on. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] International Help
Hi wise women :)Someone on another newsgroup I subscribe to has this request... can anyone help?I am giving a talk on midwifery to a group of obstetricians next week.We are in the US but I am interested in comparing our model of carewith other countries.I am having a particularly difficult time finding descriptivestatistics on midwifery practice in other countries. I would like toknow the percentage of births attended by midwives vs. physicians inthe UK, Scandanavia, continental Europe, Australia. A comparison ofperinatal outcomes for these countries would also be helfpul.Can anyone help?Note: references for information are essential.Thanks,Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding help in Mackay
Kenacomb ointment on the nipples tiny amount and dab off before expressing (perhaps by hand?) and yes you can give baby EBM with blood in it - as long as she is hep c and hiv neg.Good luck to her! It can be done!JoOn 23/10/2006, at 7:43 AM, diane wrote:HiI have a friend who birthed last week at the Mater and is having probs with flat/inverted nipples. Very damaged and is AF as of yesterday. She is quite motivated to breastfeed. Any one have any suggestions as to who she can see up there? (had already been back in to the hosp and was told under no circumstances to give the baby EBM with blood in it!!). Im still 3 weeks away from moving up there so cant help for now, except on phone! Sounds like maybe a bacterial infection beginning on nipples but no sign of mastitis yet. But nipples are too painful to even express right now, I have discussed pain relief and importance of expressingJust spoke with her and she is going to call the LC at the Mater (Toni?) but I would love to be able to offer her some options in case she cant get help there.Cheers,Di
Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
I can have a look at work this afternoon if it's not too chaotic.See what I come up with.JoOn 19/10/2006, at 10:06 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:"Has something significant changed in the last 12 years then Mary?" Lisa, the usual "window", especially when technology and machines is concerned is 5 yrs. Sometimes older research is used when there are multiple research papers over a long period of time, like in newborn jaundice."What you could do Mary is ask them what research they are using to back up the use of cord gases and see how long ago that was produced".I have never collected a cord sample for "gasses" as I only practice in homebirth. I guess we could look up the protocols for taking the cord blood and see what the references. Could someone who works in a hospital do that for us please? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] We can make a difference (long)
On 17/10/2006, at 8:45 AM, Heartlogic wrote: Many (if not all) words from health professionals are hypnotic, and wire their way into a woman's mind and experience. While I agree with this in relation to women and birth, I have to (in most cases) disagree with this in regards to breastfeeding advice and support. MOST of the women I look after postnatally just don't listen or don't believe the advice they recieve - they don't trust their bodies. It's like the birth experience has been owned by someone else, and now they are being asked to trust their body, and that baby knows what he's doing, wanting to be on the breast every hour, for example to get the milk in - and they just don't believe it.No amount of education seems to make much difference, sadly. Do these women get sick of us telling them that it's normal? Would they be happier if we said, well actually, you don't have enough milk, so we'll need to intervene and give formula? Just musing :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doubles
Just singles here, Mary.Hope you're well :)xxJoOn 14/10/2006, at 4:16 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:I am receiving 2 of everyone’s emails. Is this happening to others or just me? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
Absolutely routine in private births where I work, but getting there with the public ones, too, sadly. Jo On 13/10/2006, at 4:07 PM, Naomi Wilkin wrote: Hi all, Just wondering how common it is for cord blood gases to be done in maternity units. I work in a small metro. hospital with a very busy maternity unit and our medical 'powers that be' are pushing for them to be done at every birth. Something we, the midwives, are very, very reluctant to do. I was also wondering if anyone knows of any research that may help us to prevent this from becoming a routine thing. Thanks Naomi. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option
Justine I would LOVE to see these !!JoOn 12/10/2006, at 9:49 PM, Justine Caines wrote: As a British midwife I have experienced lots of breeches but this was the first time in the water. It was amazing as the water stopped that hang and the pressure that the cord is sometimes under. Apart from dropping my trousers there was no contact with the woman and her baby, just whispers and encouragement. She did it totally unassisted complete hand off the breech.I feel so proud to be involved with women who have such confidence in their birthing ability. That's half the problems we are facing here. Both women and lots of midwives are scared and don't trust birth. As a midwife we should be highly skilled and knowledgeable, but knowing when to get involved and when to just watch is the greatest skill of all. Lisa Barrett Hi Lisa, Mary and All What a great story! My 2nd twin was breech and was also born into water (untouched until the very end). I had caught twin 1 but wasn’t as quick with twin 2 so as she slid out one of our wonderful midwives lightly pushed the babe back towards the front so she would not bob up behind me and instead floated to the front and was essentially caught by me. My babe was footling breech (single). First I knew was our midwife said there’s a foot. I remember thinking as her body slid out, brace yourself for the head but it was really quite easy (yes I had just birthed another babe I know!!). She had apgars of 9 and 9. The only discernable difference between her cephalic sister and her was she was a teeny bit ‘shocked’ and had a wee cry. I am going to try and upload the photos somehow as quite a few people have contacted me (out of interest re twins) JC
[ozmidwifery] Education
Hi :) Does anyone know what a Midwife would have to do to become a Midwifery Educator? I am interested in doing something like this - perhaps a few tutorials a week or something. I can't seem to find anything online so far tonight, but I'll keep looking. I feel I need to do SOMETHING else but not sure what. Perhaps even childbirth education, but I'm not sure. Thanks! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doppler u/s
When researching for my own preg I found that doppler and CTG is more direct and therefore more intense than visualno refs sorry, BF at keyboardJo :)On 23/09/2006, at 7:52 AM, Roberta Quinn wrote:Can anyone tell me the difference between a hand-held doppler and a visual ultrasound macine? Is a hand-held doppler a lesser evil?
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents Jury
Me too - let us know if you get a reply - thanks :)JoOn 14/09/2006, at 6:53 AM, Pinky McKay wrote:Barb _ I registered but could figure out how to vote so have emailed the site owners.Pinky- Original Message -From: Barbara Glare Chris BrightTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:09 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents JuryHi, check this out. This ad is one of the most appalling examples of the insidious methods formula companies use to advertise their product.I'd encourage everyone to vote.http://www.parentsjury.org.au/tpj_news.asp?ContainerID=1967Nomination 3: Karicare Toddler Gold Formula Ad description: Claymation bear with toddler bear. She talks about feeding her child Karicare instead of regular cows milk. "Nature's next step."Parents concerns:- "Very false advertising by saying the mother didn't want to introduce the milk of another species so is giving formula instead. It is a cows milk derivative and really high in sugar so very false."- "It vilifies regular cows milk but the product actually contains cows milk."Fact:- Made with whole cows milk powder.- High in added sugar in the form of maltodextrin and dextrose.- World Health Organisation recommends "all babies are exclusively breastfed for at least the first six months of life and together with complementary food, breastfed ideally for up to two years." (The Public Health Association of Australia, 2006)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed
I agree and disagree, Tania.I believe there IS an us and them. I am a hospital based Midwife... I see 'them' homebirth based Midwives and look up to and admire them for their experience and expertise in home birth. I look at the hospital based Midwives I work with and also admire their experience and expertise, but most know nothing about homebirth, and wouldn't ever practice in that way. As a hospital based Midwife, I am insured by the hospital, and by the ANF. Those homebirth Midwives don't have an 'overseer' and don't need one, so they, too, need insurance. They are practitioners in their own right, and refer on to Doctors if needs be. In the hospital we are all a multidisciplinary team working to look after all of the women.That's why I see there is an us and them. Them need insurance, us already have it. :)JoOn 05/09/2006, at 5:27 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote:Andrea said…“I dont think you will get midwives who only work in hospital to be interested even though I think they should be” I think this is a key quote that also deserves some discussion…whilst on one hand we are all fighting for recognition as a profession separate to nursing, and we want to be seen as a united front to further the campaign for improving maternity services throughout Australia, on the other hand we are pursuing an insurance offer that yet again divides us as a profession. Nicky Leap said…a midwife is a midwife is a midwife…??? I feel like this quest for insurance that is specific to IPM’s could be seen by midwives, the AMA, politicians, and most importantly women, as a divisive move, and I don’t think ultimately it can benefit us in our quest to improve the public persona of the midwife. I really want to have access to insurance, not be forced into having it. I want to be able to purchase insurance that will cover me for any activities I take in the name of midwifery, in or out of the hospital setting, where I am being paid a wage, or where I am donating my time. In my wildest dreams I’d like to think that every midwife working anywhere as a midwife would consider it a string to his or her professional bow to be insured as well as registered. That’s something that they have done in NZ, attach the insurance to the membership of the professional body, the NZCOM, and membership of the body is a necessary step to obtaining registration as a midwife. That way, all midwives are members of the professional body, and all midwives are insured. I know that’s a simplistic way of looking at it, but it really worries me that we are getting caught up in something that perpetuates an us and them attitude that has already gone on for too long… Tania --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
LOL I didn't even notice you left! Jo :) On 01/09/2006, at 3:12 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 11:12 AM Jo, I had forgotten just how clear the photo was. No wonder I went running to the car for my birth kit! Cheers, Mary M -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] OMG what next?
http://www.pregnancystore.com/zaky.htm I think this is actually a real product... Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
I have had a request to put my butt on photobucket, so I've worked it all out, and there it is: http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/Notchalk/100_5129.jpg :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
Good point, Tania. It's not the only tool. I'll have to get a pic of my butt again next baby to compare the visibility of TPL. Stunning, eh? Well, I think I will have to keep this email forever :) Thanks ;) Jo On 01/09/2006, at 11:35 AM, Tania Smallwood wrote: Megan, There was a paper published in the Practising Midwife in 1998 by Lesley Hobbs called Assessing cervical dilatation without VE's, Watching the Purple Line, looking at this phenomena and the research study that had put forward the hypothesis that the purple line that creeps up the 'bum cleavage' can be used as a measure of cervical dilatation... Can I just say that while I agree wholeheartedly with what's being said about trusting women, and looking for other signs of progress, the purple lines that I've seen (and yours is rather stunning if I may say so myself Jo :)) have been much more visible and definite with women having their first babies, and not as reliably visible with women having second and subsequent babies. So while it's a valuable tool to keep in mind, please don't think a woman isn't progressing just because there is no purple line, or if it's faint... Cheers Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Larry Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line For us non-midwives, now that I've seen the photo and understand the purple line, what does this mean regarding the birthing woman? Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line I have had a request to put my butt on photobucket, so I've worked it all out, and there it is: http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/Notchalk/100_5129.jpg :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 31/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 31/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
Sure. Just don't look at my butt ;) There are no attachments allowed on this mailing list, am I right? I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it. :) Jo On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote: Can we see it? Megan - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Two words: PURPLE LINE I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!) :) Jo On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote: Just to add to this... There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs and midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way to ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised healthy women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence showing that doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to hospital (then 4-6 hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are able to assess progress in different ways (all of which have been poo-pooed by the medicos)...so...am needing the help of all you wonderfully wise women out there. Thanks in advance. Sally - Original Message - From: Sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when to do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital setting. And what evidence they base their practice on. Thanks in advance. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Michelle, can I please post this to another group? There is some talk in misc.kids.breastfeeding on usenet about 'trying' to breastfeed. I won't put your name on it at all, if you like.Thanks :)JoOn 09/08/2006, at 12:58 PM, Michelle Windsor wrote:Hi Gail, I too wondered why breastfeeding seems so difficult and stressful for so many women... especially once I'd worked with indigenous women and saw how easy they seemed to find it. So trying to figure it out, I noticed a few differences. Indigenous women have alot of exposure to breastfeeding as they have extended family groups with large families. They don't speak of 'trying' to breastfeed, it seems they don't even question their own ability that they will be able to do it. In my experience it is rare to see problems, and they are often associated with separation from their baby (ie prems/sick). Other things I noticed is that indigenous women never look at the clock, there is never the comment "I only fed 5 minutes ago... " they totally feed on demand and don't put feeds off until they've eaten lunch, or the visitors have gone or whatever. They aren't ashamed of their breasts or even self-conscious. For the midwife.it's blissful! We encourage women to be instinctive with birthing their baby, maybe we should do the same with breastfeeding? (just thinking out loud) Cheers MichelleGail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding.If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal 3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately... But my boy just had no idea. My 'equipment didn't help much, either. I ended up hand expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT of the time with constant BF attempts. 2nd 24 hours we used a nipple shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast. This is where the damage was done. I was so desperate to have breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit, but it'll be right. Nup. Once the feed was over, there was blood and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing. I developed a nipple infection and mastitis from this. When, after 5 weeks I realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4 weeks for it to heal. It was well after 12 weeks before breastfeeding was comfortable. Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to be. It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good nipples' (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)). We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he never had any formula. That was never an option for us. In hospital though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples problem. Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples. But if the baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other choice is there? (sarcasm). Do or do not - there is no try ;) Jo On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote: Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions conflicting and confusing information, very few midwives practice Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to attach), too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets, high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots, agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we could go on and on here Suzi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Henci Goer's Article on GD
Precisely why I never had the OGTT in my pregnancy. No proven improved outcomes for mums or babies with diagnosed and 'treated' GD.JoOn 04/08/2006, at 4:49 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:The best way for those who disagree is to find the definitive studies that address all of Henci’s points. If is such an important issue, those studies would be available for us all to read. There is harm being done to mothers and babies by the definition of Gestational diabetes. MM What are everyone’s thoughts on Henci Goer’s GD article? It’s caused a bit of a stir in my GD forum:http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=382564 but I don’t feel that I know enough about it to comment…Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Testing
Welcome back, Mary!JoOn 22/07/2006, at 10:16 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Just returning to the list after holidays. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Isobel Joy has arrived...
Congratulations, Janet! Well done :)Welcome, Isobel!JoOn 15/07/2006, at 7:29 PM, Janet Fraser wrote:Isobel Joy Stokes Fraser was born beautifully at home, in water, into her daddy's hands Thursday 13th July. She weighs 3.7kgs and has taken to life earthside with remarkable alacrity! Thanks to those who supported me through a challenging, lengthy labour. I couldn't have done it without you! Photos as soon as they're uploaded. From Janet, Trevor, Conor AND Isobel! For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!
Thanks for your reply on the Today show, Pinky ;)I thought you came across really well, and hopefully made people think twice about co-sleeping, especially.9am with David and Kim, what's that show? Or is that the name of the show? I don't think we get that here in WA if it is the name.Good luck!JoOn 12/07/2006, at 7:19 PM, Pinky McKay wrote:Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Hello all! Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Don’t forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!)Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!
Yup the first email she read out to you on the Today show was mine :)I hope to catch your other appearances - as I think you are very well spoken, don't seem to get flustered with questions, and have a lot of great ideas :)Thanks,JoOn 13/07/2006, at 9:09 AM, Pinky McKay wrote:The show is called Nine am and david and Kim are teh presenters. Its teh same time as Bert used to be on - smae time as Kerri Anne - but being in WA - the channel ten show I was on Live earlier - about 10 am and Kerri- anne just after 10.30 - it was prerecorded. Hopefully lots of mums can relax -= was one of the email questions on Today from you? The media response has been phenomenal -I have already been asked back on several of them. Pinkywww.pinky-mychild- Original Message -From: Jo WatsonTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Thanks for your reply on the Today show, Pinky ;)I thought you came across really well, and hopefully made people think twice about co-sleeping, especially.9am with David and Kim, what's that show? Or is that the name of the show? I don't think we get that here in WA if it is the name.Good luck!JoOn 12/07/2006, at 7:19 PM, Pinky McKay wrote:Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Hello all!Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Don’t forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!)Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
OOH, can someone please provide a rundown on this for us not in Victoria? Or do you think there will be a transcript?Thanks,JoOn 10/07/2006, at 4:32 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !
I am going! I'm bringing a Midwife friend and my 1yo (who my sister will look after during the days). Can't wait!Jo WatsonOn 22/06/2006, at 4:24 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:Are many Ozmidders going to the conference?Sue
Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !
On 22/06/2006, at 8:17 PM, Barbara Glare Chris Bright wrote:I'm definately going, and so is my beautiful assistant and homebirthed daughter, Cassie (8) We are having a bit of a girl weekend. Say hello to us at the Australian Breastfeeding Association/Mothers Direct stand. BarbOoh, you'd be the person to ask about the ABA sticker I have: "Human Milk for Human Babies"... does that come in a sew-on patch, by any chance? :)Thanks,Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !
*thanks* :)JoOn 22/06/2006, at 8:35 PM, Barbara Glare Chris Bright wrote:No sew on patch. Will add stickers to the inventory! Barb- Original Message -From: Jo WatsonTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:19 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !On 22/06/2006, at 8:17 PM, Barbara Glare Chris Bright wrote:I'm definately going, and so is my beautiful assistant and homebirthed daughter, Cassie (8) We are having a bit of a girl weekend. Say hello to us at the Australian Breastfeeding Association/Mothers Direct stand. BarbOoh, you'd be the person to ask about the ABA sticker I have: "Human Milk for Human Babies"... does that come in a sew-on patch, by any chance? :)Thanks,Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Starting solids too early
I'm sure that is right for normally birthed babies, but those born via c/s or who have their cords clamped early don't get their 'owed' blood volume, so their iron stores might not be as good as they should be.JoOn 19/06/2006, at 7:58 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Does anyone have information about the research that says babies are anaemic at 4-6 months and therefore need iron rich foods? Surely the body has the correct amount of iron for the correct age group in healthy breast fed babies? MM "The "iron issue" is often used to encourage mothers towean early - breast milk is low is iron yes but thisiron is easily and readily absorbed by the baby - thestore built up at birth is usually running low betweensix and twelve months"
Re: [ozmidwifery] using a baby sling after C-section
I would say that would be the best way to carry the baby, as the load will be closest to her body, therefore the lightest.HTHJoOn 17/06/2006, at 4:27 AM, Päivi Laukkanen wrote:Hi, I was asked by a woman if she can wear a babysling two weeks after her c-section. She was told not to carry anything hevier, than the child for six weeks and has asked me since we sold the hug-a-bub baby sling for her earlier. Before I answer her, I thought I'd ask you midwives first. To me it would make sense to carry the baby in a sling, but since I don't know too much about surgery, don't want to give wrong advise. PäiviChildbirth educatorFinland
Re: [ozmidwifery] degrees of high BP in preg
Michelle Windsor wrote: By the way with the first woman the doctor insisted that women can have eclamptic seizures even if their bloods are all normal. Has anyone heard of this? He did hold off on the mag sulphate when we were unhappy to give it (in view of normal bloods and BP settled with pain relief). The woman birthed and had no further problems with BP. Cheers Michelle Eclamptic seizures happen, if I remember correctly, due to the oedema on the brain, not necessarily what is in the blood. Please correct me if Im wrong, anyone!? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] informed consent
I can relate to this. When I was pregnant a doctor at work asked where I was having my baby. When I said, "At home" he said, "Show me your armpits!" ... "I wouldn't have picked you for a hippy!" Nice... Jo Mary Murphy wrote: At the moment I am reading a book around this subject called Birthing Autonomy, Womens experiences of planning home births. by Nadine Pilley Edwards. (2005) Routlege, London. Purchased from Birth International. It is written about homebirths, but this doesnt mean it is not applicable to hospital and midwifery led models. Home birth women have been struggling for at least 30 yrs to throw off the label radical and weird. This book makes it easier to understand why women and midwives never advance their cause for autonomous birthing in any setting. . Understanding may help us to devise strategies that work. MM Now this is a situation that I am becoming increasingly familiar with. MM Di wrote: Its a frustrating situation, to be criticised for empowering women to make these decisions about themselves.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
I missed it, but I am pleased to see it is repeated twice more! Will have to remember next time. I was really interested in seeing that one.JoOn 23/05/2006, at 6:58 PM, Helen and Graham wrote:Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the "attachment parenting" advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment when the cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonightJust an FYI – sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATSAre we bringing up a generation of brats? Have today’s parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as they’re toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to television’s ‘Supernanny’ to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their child’s behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing ‘me me children’ who can’t cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim today’s kids are much happier than the ‘seen-but-not-heard’ generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the ‘naughty corner’ damages children. On this week’s INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrow’s generation.“SUPERBRATS” will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Yup, they snip other stuff 'willy-nilly' so why not a lil frenulum?JoOn 18/05/2006, at 5:57 PM, Ken Ward wrote:Most ob's should be able to snip a TT in labour ward. Seen it done many times.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris BrightSent: Thursday, 18 May 2006 2:32 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?Hi, The Australian Breastfeeding Association stocks a very fabulous and informative short video on tongue tie made by the Royal Women's Hospital in Melbourne.http://www.lrc.asn.au/users/sales/category6_2.htm With a bit of research, she should be able to get the help she needs. Barb- Original Message -From: Janet FraserTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:46 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?Hi all,advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience.She's in western Sydney. Any ideas?Much appreciated!JFor home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Sleepworks
This is a program offered in Perth - does anyone know anything about it? I know Ngala is pro-controlled crying/comforting... I guess I'm just hoping this might be a bit different. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife of the year
I hope you mean friday :)Congratulations again, Mary.JoOn 05/05/2006, at 8:04 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Hi, just to let you know that I will be interviewed on ABC radio at 1030 this morning (thurs) (wa time). cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
I thought it was more so that the woman wasn't stuck in the room - she can go for a walk to the coffee shop or in the garden or something. Just to normalise labour a bit for those considered a bit more high risk.JoOn 28/04/2006, at 3:19 PM, sharon wrote:the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her.regards- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systemsI was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad…Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Nicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush???I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. JoOn 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote:Hi,I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this.Regards,Nicole.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Thanks, Nicole. I'm trying to stick to a good low sugar/yeast diet.:)JoOn 28/04/2006, at 5:23 AM, Nicole Carver wrote: Also, when dealing with thrush diet seems very important, as does making sure baby is treated too, regardless of symptoms. Having suffered it with three babies, I didn't have any success until I treated them with daktarin gel as well, and also applied it to my nipples after each feed.. However, the manufacturers are now saying that it cannot be given prior to six months, due to a problem with babies gagging on it.I am happy to give it if I apply it carefully, not just putting a 1/4 tsp in the mouth and expecting the baby to deal with it. The diet is a low sugar, low yeast one. Includes avoiding added sugar and high sugar containing foods, bread, vegemite, dried fruit, alcohol, peanuts, grapes, canteloupe. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo WatsonSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionNicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush???I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. JoOn 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi,I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this.Regards,Nicole.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Misoprostol aka Cytotec
It is - in the 3 hospitals in 2 different states I have worked in (maternity) it is used to induce labour where the baby has died, and to treat PPH. I have not heard of it being used to induce labour where the baby is still alive, apart from mid-trimester abortions (conditions not compatible with life, etc). HTH Jo On 26/04/2006, at 12:08 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: Does anyone have any more news on this? Is it being used in Australia? J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
From memory about 30 min or so, but can't be sure. Definitely less than an hour.JoOn 25/04/2006, at 11:58 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Jo, how long does it take the baby to find the breast and begin feeding? MM I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I started doing a Lactation Advisor course at the end of my pregnancy last year, and I remember that with mastitis, no matter what is coming out (blood or pus or whatever) the baby should still be breastfeeding directly. They are better than any breast pump around, and the milk will contain extra immunities to whatever infection is in it. So, while the baby may get a touch of something, he will also get extra antibodies against the infection. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!Hopefully someone else knows the name of it?JoOn 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote:Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] My Placenta
... is gone from my freezer :( It must have been thrown out, but I don't remember doing it, and my husband swears he didn't - so it's a mystery! I was going to bury it on Will's first birthday next month, and then get a 'Mother's Love rose from the ABA website to plant in late July, but I can't now. I wanted to do something special on his birthday but I'm stumped for ideas! Perhaps I will just go out and buy the nice pot on the day, and wait for the rose to be delivered in late July. Any ideas for something to remember his birth by - apart from cake!? (sorry it's a bit OT) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Thankyou Nicole - the person who this info is for doesn't want to do nursing as well as Mid... perhaps in a few years? Jo On 12/04/2006, at 5:06 PM, Nic and Dale wrote: Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/ pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi Katrina, I used Jack Johnson for the start of mine when I was trying to chill out and work out if this was 'it'. Jo On 12/04/2006, at 8:16 PM, Ceri Katrina wrote: Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] DEM?
Does anyone know if there is a DEM course in WA? Thanks. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Pethidine actually seems to work quite well in this situation... but not so good for babies. I'm assuming all manner of positioning was tried, such as hands and knees, rocking, etc. I have found that for some women bouncing on the birth ball through contractions is a good distractor from pain/ pressure. Other than that, it's a tough one :( Jo On 12/04/2006, at 10:52 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
On 10/04/2006, at 6:48 PM, Justine Caines wrote: I have been saddened to hear that generally there is little understanding amongst midwives of the needs of survivors of sexual assault. The inflexibility of the system perse and the clock (for the women who take a very long time to birth as it generally is very fast or very slow) is a major impediment.I agree, Justine, there isn't really much discussion about it in hospitals at all - which is surprising (or not!) since at least 1/3 women have been sexually abused in their lives. Another consideration is the privacy of water. So is where she going supportive of deep water immersion for labour and birth??I second this.Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Oh I KNOW! I forgot to mention that in my email - perhaps you should!JoOn 04/04/2006, at 1:28 PM, Alexandra Gosden wrote:I thought it was disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointing information!Alexxx
[ozmidwifery] Sunrise
The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] My Sunrise Email
Yet again we have another 'expert' telling us firstly that our babies *should* be sleeping through the night, and secondly that there is only one way to make them do this. Children's sleep cycles are so different to adults, that 'sleeping through the night' for them means a 5 hour stretch, not the 11 or so hours mentioned this morning. We are told we 'need' to force strict routines on our babies eating, playing and sleeping. Does this work for anyone? I get hungry at all different times of the day, and denying my body what it needs at the time is not healthy. Our babies tell us what they need, so we practice a child-led 'routine'. It is not a schedule dictated by times, but waiting for him to tell me when he's hungry/tired/ready to play, etc. I don't expect him to sleep all night - I certainly don't! What about getting a different breed of expert on to talk to parents about the realities of baby sleep. Most babies' sleep problems are, I'm sure, due to parents high expectations... then comes the guilt for 'giving in' and allowing your baby to sleep next to you *gasp* so that you can actually get some sleep yourself. There is nothing wrong with helping your baby to sleep in gentle ways, not forcing them to learn that no one will come to them if they cry in the night. For your next baby sleep expert, I nominate Pinky McKay. :) Thanks, Jo Watson (Mother and Midwife) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] quote of the week
So true, Mary. Women are the harshest judges of eachother. Some of the pregnancy/birth/parenting forums I read show this to be true in almost every topic. :(JoOn 02/04/2006, at 3:58 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:"If I could wave my wand, our culture would be matriarchal...one of peace, of softness...where children are beloved, where women are revered and taken care of, where birth and mothering are honored and supported."— Raven Lang Midwifery Today Issue 70” Wish this was true. It seems to me that women judge each other harshly. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternal Vitamin K?
On 24/03/2006, at 1:11 PM, Sue Cookson wrote: Same sort of riks/benefits as any vaccination concept - oral vs IM route with IM bypassing normal modes of K intake which is either dietary or produced in the gut, IM including preservatives etc within the product. Hi Sue Here in WA the same preparation is used for oral and IM vitamin K (Konakion). So the preservatives you write about in the IM are also present in the oral. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Congrats!!I am not a caffeine drinker at all, so a mocha at the start of the night sees me through usually. If I have one after midnight though, I find it tough to sleep. Bring a book, not a hard-to-read one. Some magazines, just incase it's quiet. If it's busy, you won't have any trouble staying awake!As for sleeping, get some eye patches or 100% blockout curtains. Some swear by showering, putting PJs on and eating breakfast before going to bed... me? I just take my uniform off and get into bed. Unless I've had a messy night and need a shower, that is. The drive home is quite scary for me, as I have suddenly appeared in my street, not remembering anything after leaving work. Perhaps suck on a fizzy lolly for the car drive home?Good luck!JoOn 16/03/2006, at 5:24 PM, Tanya McPhail wrote:Hi all, I am a newly graduated Midwife, who has her first lot of night shift (5 shifts) coming up. Does anyone have a tips for me? How to sleep best during the day, how to stay awake and alert during the night? Thanks On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Testing
*waves*I see you!JoOn 13/03/2006, at 7:42 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:1,2,3. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening
Vicky, I am in the same boat - mine is still in the freezer from almost 9 months ago! I also had a home water birth, 29 min pushing, 7 hours total labour, physiological third stage... I am also a primip Midwife ;) Jo On 20/02/2006, at 4:19 PM, Vicky Gotte wrote: Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice about planting my placenta- it has been in the freezer for 5 months and I really need to do something with it!). I want to put it in a pot plant as I'd want to take the plant if we move. What plants would you recommend (please note I have killed mint!)and should I put it in a big plant pot or a small one. Do I need to do anything with the potting mix, or is a placenta and premium mix enough to make sure the plant thrives?. I know it's not really a mid question but I really want a 'special' plant for my daughter, and I didn't think the local nursery could give much advice. By the way, I had a beautiful water birth (with hardly any pushing), after a 2 1/2 hour first stage, and completed with a physiological third stage. (Not bad for a primip midwife!). Thanks a lot, Vicky Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search http://au.local.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening
That makes sense. I am sure to kill anything that I plant though except the succulents my MIL planted for me. I need something very hardy! I actually wanted to plant the placenta with our dog Abby who died 2 weeks after Will was born, but we forgot and Matt refused to dig her up again! ;) I'm following this thread with interest :) Jo On 20/02/2006, at 5:04 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: My experience is that it needs to be planted about a month before the plant is put on top of it. It needs to break down before tender roots are put on it. It would be awful to have the plant die. MM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Monday, 20 February 2006 5:00 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening Why dont you go to a good nursery and ask them what plants would thrive in a pot with a placenta. Maybe you need a pair of pots ( and half in each as it might be too much for one and would also increase your chances of having one survive Andrea Q On 20/02/2006, at 7:46 PM, Jo Watson wrote: Vicky, I am in the same boat - mine is still in the freezer from almost 9 months ago! I also had a home water birth, 29 min pushing, 7 hours total labour, physiological third stage... I am also a primip Midwife ;) Jo On 20/02/2006, at 4:19 PM, Vicky Gotte wrote: Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice about planting my placenta- it has been in the freezer for 5 months and I really need to do something with it!). I want to put it in a pot plant as I'd want to take the plant if we move. What plants would you recommend (please note I have killed mint!)and should I put it in a big plant pot or a small one. Do I need to do anything with the potting mix, or is a placenta and premium mix enough to make sure the plant thrives?. I know it's not really a mid question but I really want a 'special' plant for my daughter, and I didn't think the local nursery could give much advice. By the way, I had a beautiful water birth (with hardly any pushing), after a 2 1/2 hour first stage, and completed with a physiological third stage. (Not bad for a primip midwife!). Thanks a lot, Vicky Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search http://au.local.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fear
Lieve, that story brought a tear to my eye! Amazing.JoOn 06/02/2006, at 3:37 PM, Lieve Huybrechts wrote: Then I asked how she was born: a ventouse extraction. I said, ok, you didn’t finish your own birth. She was wondering if that was so. I asked if that was a theme in her life: doing things, but difficulty to reach the finish. She thought it over and she said yes, it was. Ok, I said this thing you can do, you are born as a woman to give birth, you can do it. Than it became quiet again. She was in bath on her knees with her head in my lap and my hands in hers. After fifteen min she raised her head and said: the head is out. A minute later the baby was born in the water, she really did it on her own. The baby Jef had a birthweight of 4980gr. She fully opened for him, she didn’t have a tear.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Wish me luck...
On 04/02/2006, at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jo Hope your day goes well,youre an absolutely brilliant midwife and have led -by-example with Will and your family choices.We all know how we feel going back to work after our holidays let alone THE most important work-break,but you will suprize yourself that sometimes policies paperwork may change ,but your contribution to some families day is an invaluable as ever. Take Care , Ange Aww thanks Ange :) You're a sweety! My first day back was fine - apart from the splitting headache I had all day from being a bit tense and not getting much sleep. It was a gentle ease back into it. Just have to get used to all the new doctors, but there doesn't seem to be much new paperwork. I have to say, though, that two of the four women I looked after had had a c/s! Hope to catch up with you soon. Love, Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Wish me luck...
Well, after nine months on maternity leave, my finances (and my husband!) have told me it is time to do some casual shifts at work. This morning is my first one. I am just doing a 6 hour shift, and my husband will bring my 8 month old, Will, to work for me at 10am for a feed. :) (these are the benefits of working in a 'baby friendly' hospital...) I am a little nervous! Being a hospital based Midwife, having had a wonderful babymoon after an awesome homebirth - I wonder if I will be any different as a Midwife?? We'll see. There is a great discussion on 'Extended Breastfeeding' on the UK Midwifery list - anyone keeping an eye on that? I find it amazing that so many people are against breastfeeding in public, not to mention extended BF. Anyway, time to don the 'still too small' uniform... Regards, Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI
On 19/01/2006, at 7:44 AM, Gloria Lemay wrote: H . . . isn't that convenient for the ob/gyns? Only two cases I have seen were two breech boys born in hosp---one cesarean and one with Piper forceps applied to after coming head. Gloria Gloria, I have never heard of Piper forceps - can you describe them? Thanks :) Jo - who has to return to work soon and is scared of all those hospital births after her lovely home water birth! ;) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
