RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Here here Tania. I don't know what is going on in other states regarding birth support groups, in whatever role or title, but maybe an explanation of what we have in SA might be helpful, in return I would love to hear about everyone else. SA has a lovely history of birth groups. Those on the list who know more than me about it, please add. We have the Homebirth Network which has been going for many many years, anyone in SA know how long? Many moons ago, we had MAMA (?), Mums and Midwives working together, I believe they successfully lobbied for a birth centre at one of our large teaching hospitals. This group is now part of our history. Name escapes me, but we have a group for our Ind Midwives too. Help on that one? CARES, a caesarean support group, established over 8 years ago by Jo, Caroline and Emma. Going strong and doing amazing work. Birth Matters, also established over 8 years ago. BM sees itself as a generic support group, they provide the information so as choice is available. Maternity Coalition, established a few years, more low key here. Our groups are well established and continue to function together as needed. When we join forces so to speak, we go under the title of The Birth Networks of SA or similar. A number of the women in these groups wear many hats, and work very hard for the cause. Always as a vounteer and nearly always with no previous experience. I too started off with 1 child, now with 4, as many of our families have grown and along the way dealt with all the wonders life offers, sad and happy. SA has become less present in the lobby arena, lack of time and burn-out. We seem to be focusing on support for now and getting out there to educate our birthing Mums and Dads. Next weekend Adelaide is hosting WOMAD, a world music festival, Birth Matters with Homebirth Network have been fortunate to secure a stall. We will have a wonderful oppurtunity to talk with thousands of people, delight them with our beautiful births and handout good information. We have been at Mothers and Baby expo a number of times, a tuff gig, to say the least. Sharing the most intimate moment of your life, only to have women loudly show there disgust at the video of a birth. Not the Grandmas or the men, but women due to birth. It's a very tiring 3 days of your life. Adelaides birth groups work independantly to and alongside each other. They say it takes a village to raise a child, well it takes many forms to educate our birthing community, AND WE ALL MATTER! SO, I look forward to reading about any birth groups out there, whatever you are called and in what ever capaticty your contribution is. A pat on the back to us all, Cheers Megan Resch Of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 8:40 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Can I just say that it would be terrible if this thread deteriorated yet again into a personal slinging match. Please can we all keep in our minds and our hearts that we are all doing what we can, with the time we have, to further the cause and help women...making comments on people's tone is not in my honest opinion called for, or constructive. A lovely friend of mine, one of the wisest women I know, has talked with me about the email thing and the problems that we as women in particular, encounter with it. Her take on it, and I agree wholeheartedly is that we must keep in mind that it was invented by blokes, and that it has no ability to convey the subtlety of emotion that we often use to soften or round off our comments. Its purpose initially was probably for the sharing of meeting minutes, and the like. We don't talk like that, we don't communicate like that, and when we attempt to use a medium that doesn't have the features we need to put across the whole of the message, not just the words, then something within that message can be lost. Please, please, can we keep our own agendas out of this. I have been a member of birth support and information groups for nearly 10 years and for the most part, it has been smooth sailing. I still don't have a handle on what the MC really does, even though I've been a member for sometime, and our consumer groups have been members. That doesn't mean I'm not interested, or supportive. It means I'm uninformed, and I thought for a minute there, with this thread, that I might become a bit more informed. This is a public list. Christopher Cain and other presidents of the AMA would be laughing their heads off if they were aware of the bitching and internal back biting that goes on between us all. As I've said before, with us behaving like this, they have nothing to worry about. Tania x -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 1/03/2007 2:43 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored
RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [abachat] Breastfeeding in the Phillipines
A girlfriend lived in Thailand for many years and its a big problem over there too. To add to it all, the formula is very expensive and many struggle to afford it. Megan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2007 9:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [abachat] Breastfeeding in the Phillipines Hi, It would be nice to think that this wouldn't happen in Australia - but the situation here is not as different as we would like to think. It's an interesting insight into how far formula companies will go to protect their market. I think the main thing saving Australia is not our laws on the mareting of infant formula (which are lame to say the least) but our lowish population and birthrate. Remember the Parliamentary inquiry submissions are due in by Feb 28th. http://www.theage. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/02/1169919534128.html com.au/articles/2007/02/02/1169919534128.html Recent Activity * 3 New http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/abachat/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNDBncmpkBF9TA zk3NDkwNDMzBGdycElkAzE1ODA2NDg2BGdycHNwSWQDMTc0MDA2NDA4NQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2b WJycwRzdGltZQMxMTcwNDYxMzk0 Members Visit http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/abachat;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2pmNzM2BF9TAzk3NDkwN DMzBGdycElkAzE1ODA2NDg2BGdycHNwSWQDMTc0MDA2NDA4NQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0a W1lAzExNzA0NjEzOTQ- Your Group Yahoo!7 360° Start http://au.360.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJsNDltNGpqBF9TAzk3NDkwNDMzBF9wAzEEZ3JwS WQDMTU4MDY0ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzQwMDY0MDg1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDMzYwBHN0aW1lAzExN zA0NjEzOTQ- a blog Public or private- it's your choice. Y!7 Toolbar Get http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwNG5mOGwyBF9TAzk3NDkwNDMzBF9wAzIEZ3JwSW QDMTU4MDY0ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzQwMDY0MDg1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQ MxMTcwNDYxMzk0;_ylg=1/SIG=11f4sktvc/**http%3A//au.toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl =ygrps it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo!7 Groups Start http://au.groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbmI4YnBvBF9TAzk3NDkwNDMzBF9wA zMEZ3JwSWQDMTU4MDY0ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzQwMDY0MDg1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzM gRzdGltZQMxMTcwNDYxMzk0 a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97490433/grpId=15806486/grpspId=1740064085/msgI d=22260/stime=1170461394/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3 __,_._,___
[ozmidwifery] Marvellous mothers milk
Thought you might enjoy a story on my breastmilk curing my sons eye infection. My 7 year old has an infection in a gland under his eyelid and after an initial miss-diagnosis of conjunctivitis by a GP, I discovered a sore on his inner eyelid. (mothers make better GP's sometimes) Another appt at GP's and was offered a 6 day course of antibiotics or bathe the eye every half hour with salt water and wait and see. I had already told GP I had started using breastmilk in his eye, to which was the expected blank look and no further mention. So off I go with script incase and home to bathe away with my milk. After doing this all day yesterday, my son's eye is drastically better and with further care today, all will be healed. No antibiotics and a win for breastmilk. I plan on writing this GP a letter telling him that I used breastmilk instead of salt water or antibiotics and perhaps in future he may consider it a worthy treatment. To support my non-scientific therapy is there any articles spelling out how this can work which I could include in my letter? (Of course mothers have used their milk for treating eyes and whatever else forever) Thanks in advance Megan
RE: [ozmidwifery] hep b @ birth
Hi, Ewmail or speak to Kathy Scarborough from Vaccination Information South Aus (VISA), she is up to date on all things Hep B. She does tour occaisionally, worth a listen. http://www.visainfo.org.au/ Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyle Burgoyne Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 1:26 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep b @ birth Hi , A number of staff in our unit have commented that babies who have Hep B immunisation just after birth seem much more unsettled for the first 24-48 hrs than those babies who don't have the immunisation .Has anyone else noticed this or are we just imaging things ?? Our unit has only recently changed to offering Hep B immunisation after birth at the same time as the Konakion,we used to give it on day 3 or 4. Interested in any comments or if anyone knows if any studies have been done . Thanks Lyle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Know where you are coming from Jo. LOL We started co-sleping with #3, shift in ideas and necessity as he was a shocking sleeper. Even with being in bed with me he needed to be rocked for long periods through the night. Finally after 2 years we had our first full night sleep. We are still sleeping with #4 and at 2 1/2yrs we are trying to achieve something close to a full nights sleep. Both were and little one still is demand fed, which included many feeds during the night. I wouldn't change it, I have no doubt that with #3 in particular, that he was just not into sleeping and a cot set up would have never worked. The best part was waking up to his beautiful pudgy face in the morning, seeing your child wake is a truly priceless experience. For us, our 2 that slept in a cot were the best sleepers. After 5 years of very poor sleep I am exhausted and for us co-sleeping hasn't been quite as dreamy as it is often spelt out. Possibly just unlucky in having 2 non-sleepers, in which case laying in bed settling is much easier than standing next to a cot for hours. But, what I wouldn't give for a good nights sleep. Looking after 4 boys under 8 requires enormous amount of energy and a sleep deprived Mum is not always so pretty... cheers Megan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 8:44 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a cot for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better quality sleep without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely worthwhile getting up even three times a night to feed her and then put her back in the cot. She is wonderfully secure and content and I really feel we have brought out the best in her sleep tendencies rather than the worst as we did with #1. Sleeping well is a life skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1 any favourss. I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would absolutely have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't worked. But I guess I just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily a miracle cure either. I think the best solution is assuring parents that cosleeping can be done safely, that they can't spoil a baby and that they should do what works for them whatever that is. On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote: but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having a more secure and contented baby
RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
We did this and #3 still managed to find his way to the end of it and fall out of bed. I put a high backed chair in the way, so he fell out of the other side of the bed. The answer was to put the mattress on the floor, and there it stayed for a long time. My bedroom is never going to win any Better Homes and Gardens decoration award. Doesn't matter how pretty a quilt cover I buy, the Thomas the Tank one immediately next to it will always shine brighter. LoL Keeping a sense of humour helps, Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Felicity Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 9:15 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Sounds like that would be a really handy product! In their absence, though, there's always the good old side-car cot (remove side from cot, tie the cot to the side of the adult bed so it doesn't slip away from the bed, place a sheet over both the adult bed and the cot so there's no gap or suffocation risk for baby) which can be set up with any cot. :) Felicity - Membership Officer and Site Admin Every woman, and every baby, and every family deserve Joyous Birth! http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Australian home birth network. Remember this, for it is as true as true gets: your body is not a lemon! - Ina May Gaskin - Original Message - From: michelle gascoigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to get them from but can try to find out for you. We have them on all beds to promote breastfeeding. Shelly - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 10:24 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] News article - Smoking mums-to-be get deadline to quit
Smoking mums-to-be get deadline to quit By Sue Dunlevy December 20, 2006 12:00am DOCTORS will give women two weeks to quit smoking after they become pregnant, then prescribe nicotine replacement therapy under a plan to cut the smoking rate. On the anti-smoking program, launched yesterday, doctors will give pregnant women a questionnaire on their smoking habits. Doctors will devise an individual plan to help smokers quit the habit and put them in touch with Quitline. Pregnant women will be encouraged to give up smoking by delaying cigarettes, practising deep breathing when they have cravings, drinking water, or distracting themselves. The patient's progress will be reviewed after two weeks and if she has been unable to stop smoking the doctor will consider prescribing nicotine patches, gums or lozenges. Nicotine patches are not indicated for use during pregnancy, but Australian Divisions General Practice Networks spokeswoman Kate Carnell said: It's still a damn sight better to give up (with the use of) patches than not give up at all. About one in six pregnant women smokes, even though it harms their health and that of their baby. The government wants to cut the rate to zero. Launching the $4.3 million program yesterday, Parliamentary Secretary for Health Christopher Pyne said pregnant women who smoked were 50 per cent more likely to have a stillborn baby. Babies born to smoking mothers weigh 200g less than those born to non-smokers, and low birthweight is a leading cause of infant death, he said. Babies born to smokers are three times more likely to die of sudden infant death syndrome and four times more likely to develop allergic skin rashes, high blood pressure and asthma, he said. A woman who smokes while pregnant is at increased risk of a wide variety of problems, including ectopic pregnancy, miscarriage and premature labour, Mr Pyne said. The latest data shows that 17 per cent of pregnant women smoke. That is the Australian average daily smoking rate and you would hope pregnant women would have a lower rate when they know the damage they are doing, Mr Pyne said. The more cigarettes smoked during pregnancy, the greater the risk of complications. The new program is part of a raft of lifestyle prescriptions being issued by doctors instead of scripts for drugs. Ms Carnell said doctors had been embracing the lifestyle scripts already on offer for problems such as obesity.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth
Hate to be synical, but how do we get blood to our head, no gravity happening there. :-) Megan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 9:43 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth I have never heard of this theory. What about all the babies who are born on the bed and the mother holds the baby on her chest before the cord is clamped. I think a lesson in anatomy and physiology is called for. Anyone out there who can explain it in detail? MM _ The paediatrician who has never attended a waterbirth before is saying that she would have to clamp right away because if the woman is holding the baby on her chest, the blood can flow back through the cord to the placenta increasing her risk of PPH.
RE: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Vaccination Information South Australia (VISA) at http://www.visainfo.org.au/ scroll down to the Hep B sect and read away. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Friday, 20 October 2006 3:58 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Calendar
I've just had a look too, except with my 2yr oldson on my lap who has taken inspiration, followingwith a " I want some" as Mother produces a breast for him. lovely, Megan and Hugo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 4:37 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Calendar Isnt junes baby just the most perfect attachment? Good for showing women what they are aiming for. MM The Australian Breastfeeding Association's 2007 Calendar is now available. May I go so far as to say it's the best EVER! Gorgeous photos. Perfect for promoting breastfeeding on any hospital wall. Perfect for your own home. Perfect for Christmas. Only $15 plus postage. Purchase from http://www.mothersdirect.com.au/ Regards, Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth...
the show before was on caring for native animals and it had a little possum (I think) who was co-sleeping with its "Mum and Dad". very cute. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 6:41 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth... My kids are watching the ABC pet show tonightQuestion so, whats the greatest risk when your pet is giving birth? Straight from the spunky vets mouthTHE THING THAT PUTS YOUR PET AT THE GREATEST RISK IS THAT PEOPLE TRY AND INTERFERE TOO MUCH Sighand we cant see that fantastic wood for those dastardly trees Tania x --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial further to supporting ECV is osteotherapy. My osteopath recently shared with me her experience of treating a client with a breech baby who was being forced into having a c/s. Her Dr's were very synical of the idea. Working with both, the woman had scans etc but also had a treatment before (not sure how long) the ECV. Osteo can treat both Mum and baby, creating a nice spacious environment and perhaps addressing some fears the baby has etc. In this case, bubs turned beautifully, much to the astonishment of the medical Dr's. I have personally experienced an Osteo treatment with my 3rd baby who was very much responding to the hands on my belly. I could feel him hidingand eventually he came to her and it was incredibly clear to me what was going on. After, the osteo who was also my friend, was able to express some very interesting stuff about my baby that made sense. as said, if an ECV is a womans only option for a breech lay then supporting it is important. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nunyaraSent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 9:12 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option Hi all! Most of you probably already know that acupuncture can help turn a breech baby. I know of some mothers who have used Moxa (a Chinese herb Mugwort in a rolled form which is lit and applied to a specific acupuncture point Bladder 67) successfully to turn a breech bub and for others it has not worked. However, I would recommend that professional acupuncture treatment be sought as acupuncturists use Moxa as well. I have recently read an article in the Journal of Complementary Medicine (which is a journal for doctors and pharmacists who are trying to get in on natural therapies) which covered a scientific trial in the use of acupuncture to turn breech babies. Of the group who had acupuncture treatment, most of those babies turned but out of the group who received no treatment, only a couple of the bubs turned. The outcome of the trial was that acupuncture was successful with breech presentations. I am madly trying to find which Journal this article was in but I have safely put it away (which means that I probably wont ever be able to find it again!) I am a Bowen therapist as well and have used bowen a couple of times with breech and the bubs have turned. I think trying acupuncture and/or Bowen though is preferable to doing nothing and ending up with a C/S. Cheers, Ramona Lane Nunyara, Bargara Beach, Qld. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey AcharyaSent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 2:18 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option Here in Townsville Qld some of the Ob's in the Townsville Hospital perform ECV's. David Watson is particulary successful at this and I have seen him perform a few and he seems to have the right touch and technique, the women who had other Ob's try on them firstand then himsaid he was much more gentle and it looked that way too. He has the woman lie on her side slightly and rests his knee behind their back, and using ultrasound on and off to monitor baby's position, then pushes the baby around getting them to either do a forward somersault or backward one. The private Ob's here refuse to do it all together. I noticed they are also performing the EECV trial (EarlyECV) around 33-34 weeks? One of the women I was with was being offerred this optionbut declined preferring to give her baby further time to turn and then at 37-38 weeks when baby was still in the breech position had a successful ECV and went on to have a straightforward normal vaginal birth at 41 weeks. Honey - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option I think it would be good to get a list of providers in each state who are performing External Cephalic Version ECV. I know, having just been to Box Hill Maternity for an inservice, they have one or two progressive obstetricians who have a regularECV clinic. They have theatre on standby if needed. I am sure plenty of women would be prepared to travel far and wide if they knew this option existed and could possibly avoid the need for LUSCS. I know this is not optimal, but at least some women may avoid LUSCS if ECV is offered. I think it is performed at 37 weeks to be the most successful. I would also be interested in other units offering this service to tell the women in my care if anyone knows of them. Thanks Helen Cahill - Original Message - From:
RE: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat
Saw the show, she received some very positive and supportive comments from the judges but did not win on the night. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Saturday, 7 October 2006 10:24 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat Did anyone else manage to catch this on Wednesday night - I only managed to get the info from their website after the event, but its looks wonderful!!! http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1754147.htm (you can play the video too) What a fanastic invention - apparently quite 'cheap' too.. Not sure if she won the nights award - but cant wait for the day when these are standards in hospitals and universities for mid training... Kristin -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] low-risk caesarean????
Title: low-risk caesarean This is online at http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20521110-2682,00.html Particularly the last line, The program is available to women who have a normal vaginal birth or low-risk caesarean. Whats a low risk c/s for goodness sake? Jennifairy you said it best, Bread and Circuses. Cheers Megan
[ozmidwifery] SBS tonight
Title: SBS tonight If anyone is interested, Insight on SBS at 7.30pm, is discussing Australias birth rate. http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/ Jenny Brockie usually does a very gooo job, so should be intersting to see what 'our' reasons are for not having lots of babies anymore. Cheers Megan
RE: [ozmidwifery] Conflict
Actually, this situation is not unique. My husband returned from a "Friends of" Recreational Park conservation meeting the other night and a quite heated and passionate discussion took placewith opposing views. Some just want to cut out all the olives and some want to be purists. The truth isthey need them both and everything inbetween. In Adelaide, Birth Matters has been running near 8 years, doing everything from grass root coffee mornings to packed information seminars to representatives on DHS committes and a whole heap more. We are Mums, Midwives, students, doullas, career women, you name it. We'd love to do more, reach more people, speak with young women, girls, etc but volunteers are precious things and need to be nurtured. If that means we only do the basics then so be it, next month we might be (more) amazing. Individuals give what they can, babies join our families and things slow down. I have nothing but respect for all the women I have worked along side ofin this group and our friends in CARES and Homebirth Network SA. Westep outwhen we have to and when ready wecome in with both hands in the air. My point is, if you have the energy, time and money to put into what you think isa great idea, then go for it. Share it in these forums and those who support it can join in . Those who don't share the vision can keep doing what they do best. Women need all of us, but we can't all be doing it the same way. There is far more at play here than childbirth, society is a different place, I think we could all agree on that. personally I'm happy if I have reached 1 woman a year, thats huge. Its called the ripple effect. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea BilcliffSent: Friday, 22 September 2006 4:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Conflict I'm not as articulate as many on this list but I just wanted to say thatconflict is really, really draining. This is not directed at anyone in particular (or justlimited to participants of this list)but it's something that I'm noticing more and more in the 'birthing world'. No wonder we as birthadvocatesburn out so easily. It is hard and tiring enough 'out there' without us fighting each other. Weneed to be far more supportive of each other - women, employed midwives, independent midwives, birth attendants, students, educators,etc.As a midwifery student I couldn't believe that a profession that claimed to be 'with woman' could also be so 'against woman' (each other). I have enormous respect for the midwives who work in hospitals; those who battle 'the system' (whether it be private or public)on a daily basis, trying to do the best they can for women in the most difficult of circumstances. I respect too the wonderful women who set up internet websites and discussion forums (be they considered mainstream oralternative) in an attempt to furthereducate and support birthing women. Andeveryone else who are doing the best they can with the time and resources they have. MaybeI'm being too simplistic but aren't we all working for the same thing? I'm sure if we were just a little kinder and more supportive of each other we could achieve great things together - women united and strong! Yours tired, Andrea Bilcliff (Independent Midwife)
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
For us non-midwives, now that I've seen the photo and understand the purple line, what does this mean regarding the birthing woman? Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line I have had a request to put my butt on photobucket, so I've worked it all out, and there it is: http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/Notchalk/100_5129.jpg :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
Thanks for that, now I will have to scan my videos for my purple line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nikki Macfarlane Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line As the baby's head descends Megan, the sacrum moves out and this results in the line appearing. It is something you statr to see, in most cases, when the woman is fully dilated, so is a great visual clue as to the stage of labour she is at. Occasionally you also see it earlier in labour if the baby is posterior and rotating past the sacrum. In this case though it does not tend ot be as long and disappears again as the baby rotates towards the mother's left hip. Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International www.childbirthinternational.com - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line For us non-midwives, now that I've seen the photo and understand the purple line, what does this mean regarding the birthing woman? Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Measles question
Can I be a smarty pants and ask if your childen are vaccinated why are you worried? Many children's illness' can have a red rash associated with it, makes it very hard to really know what they have, unless a blood test is done to confirm. Of course even vaccination isn't 100% effective, so if you are absolutely concerned, cancel. Its harder to decide when you have been given a choice, we come in contact with all sorts of things when out and about all the time and have no idea. Good luck Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Monday, 28 August 2006 5:24 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Measles question Sorry, off topic but need some advice asap - A babysitter is coming for half the day tomorrow but just called and said the child she looked after today looks like it *may* have measles. Should I cancel her coming tomorrow or would it be ok? My kids are vaccinated. Thanks in advance. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief
My favourite book on life and death is Beginnings and Endings with Lifetime in Between It explains how all living things have a different lifetime and within their own species, plants, animals and people. Some live for a very short time others live to be very old. I don't know if it would help relieve anxiety for this littl girl, but to me it is honest and respectful of the living process. I was introduced to it when my brother took his life, it helped me to explain it to my children and even my parents have found it helpful to understand the time they were given with him. Its often in school or kindy libraries, so you could borrow it. Best wishes Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Monday, 14 August 2006 9:20 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief Dear Andrea and all I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be suitable for a little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this year. Last year her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born prematurely and died aged 10 weeks. They are all still grieving yet excited about having a new baby. Maya has been waiting a long time to have a baby to hold and is displaying anxiety about this baby. She talks openly about Jonah but at the same time became teary. its hard when we cant promise her this baby will be OK. As adults we understand what probably means and the mother is confident that everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old? I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to know which ones are good. Any suggestions Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
Has anyone seen a copy of the latest "No Idea"? Story about a footballer and the scary birth of his baby. No disrespect to his experience and all but... Goes something like, "we wanted a natural birth but a few days before our Doctors suggested a caesarean would be safest and given the baby had had some different lies during the pregnancy" Anyway, the drama was that during the surgery he heard them muttering and was informed the cord was twice around babies neck, no problems though. Talk about fear of childbirth and for them now, clearly the c/shas provenlifesaving, despite no medical indications. And what are the readers of "No Idea" going to take from this? Its a tuff battle out there. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maternity Ward Mareeba HospitalSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 7:31 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! The woman has to be pretty strong and fight if she wants a breech birth any place other than a home birth. OB's are all scared and want to do a CS regardless of what type of breech, whether she has had babies before etc etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 5:51:06 pm I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it?(Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as "abnormal" and in need of medical attention).My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem?Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me?Cheers,Sazzsuzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! DiSazz EatonPhD Student Academic TutorMelbourne Journal of Politics EditorDepartment of Political ScienceUniversity of Melbourne+61 3 8344 9485http://www.sazz.rfk.id.auhttp://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.comhttp://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com *This email, including any attachments sent with it, isconfidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it andyou are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution orreview of this email is strictly prohibited. The informationcontained in this email, including any attachment sent withit, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if itrelates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you havereceived this email in error, you are asked to immediatelynotify the sender by telephone collect on Australia+61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should alsodelete this email, and any copies, from your computersystem network and destroy any hard copies produced.If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy,distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form ofdisclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of thisemail is also prohibited.Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps toensure this email does not contain malicious software,Queensland Health does not accept
RE: [ozmidwifery] Article on breastfeeding preventing bed wetting
My own sample on this, 3 boys, aged 8, 6 4, all breastfed 'til 18mths, 18mths and 2yr 4mths, respectively, all still are night time wetters. so are we unusual or does it really not make a difference when other factors are at play? Just wondering Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Sunday, 16 July 2006 1:21 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Article on breastfeeding preventing bed wetting Breast-feeding may help prevent bed-wetting Benefits of brain development could play a role, researchers report Reuters Updated: 10:16 a.m. ET July 5, 2006 CHICAGO - Children breast-fed as infants are less likely to wet the bed later on, researchers reported Wednesday, probably because they have a developmental edge. There is strong evidence that in many cases bed-wetting can result from delayed neurodevelopment, said the report from the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Brunswick, New Jersey. There is biological plausibility in inferring that breast-feeding protects against bed-wetting and our results show a strong statistical association although not enough to prove a direct cause-effect, the study said. Breast-feeding is beneficial because of the role that certain fatty acids passed onto the infant play in brain development, said the study published in the July issue of Pediatrics, the journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics. The study was based on 55 children who were bed-wetters at ages 5 to 13 and 117 in the same age range who were not. Of the bed-wetters, 45 percent had been breast-fed, compared to 81 percent of those who were continent at night. The study also found that babies who received breast milk supplemented with formula had a similar rate of bed-wetting as those who received formula alone. Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13715951/ 2006 MSNBC.com I can't help but wonder if it is also to do with the emotional security that accompanies breastfeeding +/- co-sleepingHelen
[ozmidwifery] tV tonight
Title: tV tonight Hi, I saw that SBS has a show/documentary on toinght at 7.30 about miscarriage and follows 3 women and their experiences, including info from a leading expert, Professor Lesley Regan from the UK. Might be of interest to some Cheers Megan
RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord Blood Donation
I have always believed that if it is so good then surely my baby should be getting it there and then. That's the way I see it anyway, Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2006 12:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Cord Blood Donation I have been asked this would be very interested to hear others views. I am fairly sure she means CB donation, not storage of blood for later use for her children. I've been meaning to ask you for a while about cord blood donation and in particular why people don't seem to do it. I picked up a brochure from the hospital and read it. I think I want to do it since it will otherwise just end up in the bin but am just wondering whether others know more about it and are therefore opting not to do it. Can you tell me what the cons of doing it are or the possible controversial issues. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???
I too often read responses but not seen the original email on the list. Its been particularly bad for a few months now. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Great Birth Men at BirthSent: Friday, 23 June 2006 11:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? G'day, I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled "Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans" but they never appeared on the list (I got sent them personally when they didn't appear) Has the list been malfunctioning in the last few days? Cheers David David Vernon, Editor and Writer Having a Great Birth in Australia, Men at Birth, With Women - Shiftwork to Group Practice and The Hunt for Marasmus GPO Box 2314, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia Em: Click here to email me My other websites: Kitty Maus | Beryl's Hansard | Busy Dad's Guide to Cooking | _
[ozmidwifery] RE:
If you are with the Nth Womens, then I would have thought you have the best of both worlds, your own Midwife, access to gov funded homebirth and transfer to hospital where you keep your Midwife. I love the idea of labouring at home, and then make your decision where you will birth. If you feel safe at home, chances are you will stay there, but if your instinct wants to be in hospital then that is where you will go. You can be prepared for both options, discuss all of this with your Midwife and then let it all go and be with your labour. Obviously this is a basic rundown of one way of looking at it, but if you want to be with women who have very positive attitudes to birth then join us at Birth Matters for a coffee gathering and see if that lifts your spirit. We always meet at Eastwood Community centre, 95 Glen Osmond Rd, next one will be on July 20th, 7.30 - 9.30pm, just turn up and enjoy. If you want the other dates just get back to me for them, cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 10:27 PMTo: OZmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Hi Kate, I was meant to finish my degree last year, just doing my catch-ups and then i can register. I thought that i would feel more safe at home, but again after that experience and the birth getting closer i'm not so sure. My partner is supportive of wherever i choose to birth. He's left the decision up to me. We are going through Northern Women's so our only option is the Lyell McEwin in there birthcentre, high side or home ofcourse. Iam happy to gothere as i've had a taste of most of the midwifery units in Adelaide, and felt that the Lyell suited me. But i also didn't think i would need to think about it, as i was keen to have a homebirth. Cheers Nat
RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
We talk about choices, but look what we will do for free cash ??? Megan (whose 4th was bornon histiming2 weeks before the magic date) Baby bonus creates hospital havoc18jun06 THE introduction of the baby bonus on July 1, 2004, caused more than 1000 scheduled births to be delayed, a new study shows.In its May 2004 Budget, the Federal Government announced a maternity payment $3,000 for every baby born on or after July 1. Research by Melbourne Business School economist Professor Joshua Gans and Australian National University economist Dr Andrew Leigh has shown there were more births on July 1, 2004, than on any other single date in the past 30 years. "We estimate that around 700 births were shifted from the last week of June 2004 into the first week of July 2004," Dr Leigh said. "But more troublingly, we found that around 300 births were moved by more than two weeks." The researchers also found that the share of births that were induced or delivered by caesarean section was high in July 2004. Dr Leigh said hospitals needed to plan for July 1 this year, when the bonus rises from $3,000 to $4,000. "Maternity hospitals should expect fewer babies in the last week of June and more in the first week of July," Dr Leigh said.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early thanks for the link, what an excellent article Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine CainesSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:17 PMTo: OzMid ListSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Title: Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
[ozmidwifery] Article FYI new vaccination
Title: Article FYI new vaccination Is this really the best thing we could be doing for our precious little babies when they are first born? This is more than a pro/anti vaccination debate. Anything that interferes with early bonding, breatfeeding etc has to be questioned. Research could save newborns From: http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/ By Clare Masters April 25, 2006 NEWBORN babies could soon be vaccinated at birth against bacterial diseases after scientists discovered how to boost a baby's immune system, guarding them against possible fatal infections. Dr John Smythe, a neo-natologist at the Royal Hospital for Women at Randwick, Sydney, yesterday hailed the finding, which would close the current two-month window before a baby is immunised against the infections. Babies are already immunised against hepatitis B at birth and given a vitamin K shot but the new findings will allow newborns to be protected against a host of other infections. It's exciting because their bodies don't take up immunisations for tetanus, as an example, at that age, he said. Most adults and children can repel contagious bugs with a group of receptors called TLRs that sit on the surface of white-blood cells the body's defence system. These recognise bacteria and viruses and trigger immune cells to attack them. But newborns' immune systems have not developed this network, making them vulnerable to conditions like tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. By studying white blood cells from the newborns' cord blood, scientists from the Children's Hospital Boston found a way to boost a particular TLR and strengthen the infant's immune system. The researchers believe their findings could be used for a vaccination given at birth, closing off the current two-month window. From a global health perspective, if you can give a vaccine at birth, a much higher percentage of the population can be covered, researcher Ofer Levy said. He said this particular vaccination could also be given to babies as treatment for infections or as a preventive measure against a disease or bio-terrorist threat. Dr Smythe said newborns, particularly premature babies, were vulnerable to bacteria and viruses. Their immune system isn't as efficient when they encounter an infection, he told The Daily Telegraph. There isn't a huge amount at the moment that we can do. The period before they are vaccinated is a vulnerable one and this is quite a breakthrough. He said a newborn's entire system was immature and unable to cope with some bugs such as meningitis and whooping cough.
RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
That's excellent, it describes exactly what I was able to feel. Its not rocket science is one of my favourite sayings, so I love this article even more. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 1:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains This is a small handout by Gloria Lemay (thanks Gloria) I give to clients about self checking. jo Self-Checking of Dilation and Descent From: Childbirth Quotes from Gloria Lemay http://www.birthlove.com/pages/gloria/quotes.html How to Check Your Own Cervix- it's not rocket science I think it's a good and empowering thing for a woman to check her own cervix for dilation. This is not rocket science, and you hardly need a medical degree or years of training to do it. Your vagina is a lot like your nose- other people may do harm if they put fingers or instruments up there but you have a greater sensitivity and will not do yourself any harm. The best way to do it when hugely pregnant is to sit on the toilet with one foot on the floor and one up on the seat of the toilet. Put two fingers in and go back towards your bum. The cervix in a pregnant woman feels like your lips puckered up into a kiss. On a non-pregnant woman it feels like the end of your nose. When it is dilating, one finger slips into the middle of the cervix easily (just like you could slide your finger into your mouth easily if you are puckered up for a kiss). As the dilation progresses the inside of that hole becomes more like a taught elastic band and by 5 cms dilated (5 fingerwidths) it is a perfect rubbery circle like one of those Mason jar rings that you use for canning, and about that thick. What's in the centre of that opening space is the membranes (bag of waters) that are covering the baby's head and feel like a latex balloon filled with water. If you push on them a bit you'll feel the baby's head like a hard ball (as in baseball). If the waters have released you'll feel the babe's head directly. It is time for women to take back ownership of their bodies. -Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC http://www.glorialemay.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 7:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains A bright lovely good morning to you all, In all of my groups, after fully explaining informed choice, I explain that there are three options for the women when choosing the way she would like to birth her placenta: 1. medically managed with an injection given into the thigh which will induce an artificially strong contraction to hasten the expulsion of the placenta and reduce excessive blood loss and this would be very appropriate for someone who is high risk for example; a smoker, a woman who drank alcohol very regularly throughout the later part of pregnancy, an anemic woman, those who have already had medical intervention such as an epidural, induction, etc. 2. to decline the injection 3. to take the wait and see approach... explaining to the midwife at the time (and write in the birth plan so partner understands... I would prefer to avoid the injection as a routine injection, preferring instead to hold my baby at my breast, to naturally stimulate oxytocin to expel my placenta, but am prepared to receive the injection if it is medically necessary for a big bleed I also explain the normal blood loss is 300 to 500 mls of blood and an excessive blood loss would be 600mls+ which would require an injection. There are three injections which are available for a pph or big bleed and they are Syntocinon, syntometrine and ergometrine, each one increasing in intensity and side effects such as nausea. I then simply explain that most women describe a normal physiological third stage as mild period pain, however usually this pain will increase with each subsequent baby and/or with medical intervention. As for after pains over the next 24-48 hours I am always careful to point out that this is normal and women are less likely to be overly concerned about it when they are very familiar with the very positive fact that it is the uterus returning back down to it's normal size... and that this is a very good thing and it is what a woman wants. It seems to me that with good strong positive reinforcement women recognise the benefits of normality - and keeping birth as normal as possible. I feel completely comfortable in emphasizing normality as the best, safest, and worth striving towards compared to routine or encouraged by friends (epidural), medical intervention. Warm hug to all, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National
RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination?
I checked my own dialation with my fourth baby (waterbirth at home), it was short labour anyway, but I just wanted to know where bubs was at. I was sitting on my toilet, just leaned back and as clear as day was a ring/circle of about 5 cm. I was impressed with how obvious it was, amazing. About an hour later I was greeting my baby. With my third baby (waterbirth at home)I also checked for progress and was surprised to find a head about 3cm in, very inspiring to know that a hard, fast labour was in fact a quick one too, only 3 hours in total. I guess its up to the individual, nothing wrong with offering the idea to women and then those who are interested can seek more info on what to expect. Some women don't even want to know they havea vagina, others embrace it. cheers Megan. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maxine WilsonSent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 9:31 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? Hi Julie an interesting concept and I have actually had this discussion before- Was it with you? I think as a student midwife that vaginal exams were one of the most difficult clinical skills to learn, because initially everything felt the same soft and squishy and it took a bit of experience to start to discern the different textures and landmarks. This may be different for other midwives though I may have been a slow learner!! Though it did seem pretty universal at the time I trained for it to be a skill that took some practice for us students ( oh poor women in teaching hospitals). Maybe teaching methods are different/better now. So my initial response is it may be hard for a woman to feel how dilated she is but the descent of the head may be easier for her to feel but not necessarily relevant if she was in early labour. I was a support person at a clients birth the other night and she spontaneously (ie noone suggested it) put her finger inside her vagina to feel where her baby was, she was in a bath and had slow progress when pushing so actually checked her own progress (descent of the head) and gave the midwife feedback. I am interested to see what others think. Maxine From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Julie ClarkeSent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 6:51 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? Hello. It seems that women admitted to labour wards in the latent phase of labour are more likely to have interventions, and up to 80% of women presenting can have admission delayed (Lauzon Hodnett 2001). I have sought information on how to determine the transitionfrom latent to active phase and it seems that themain physiological marker used in diagnosis is the dilatation of the cervix. I am wondering if there would be any benefit to teaching women self examination as a method of delaying admission. I would appreciate any feedback, comments, opinions,experiences. Thank you, Julie
RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination?
Not a Midwife, but a very active birth consumer. From memory late in pregnancy, post dates and lots of niggles etc, I had a bit of a look see (feel) to see if there was anything happening and could locate the cervix, but I was also mindful of it being invasive and was really out of my own curiosity. I think that was also why I checked it in labour as well, my last oppurtunity to see if I could feel a dilating cervix. I am probably not your average birthing woman I suppose. Anyway I am pleased to have experinced it and that it was my decision for my reasons, no one elses. Cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maxine WilsonSent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:07 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? Megan are you a midwife? Did you have some knowledge already or was that the first time you had felt a cervix in labour? Maxine From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan LarrySent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:18 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? I checked my own dialation with my fourth baby (waterbirth at home), it was short labour anyway, but I just wanted to know where bubs was at. I was sitting on my toilet, just leaned back and as clear as day was a ring/circle of about 5 cm. I was impressed with how obvious it was, amazing. About an hour later I was greeting my baby. With my third baby (waterbirth at home)I also checked for progress and was surprised to find a head about 3cm in, very inspiring to know that a hard, fast labour was in fact a quick one too, only 3 hours in total. I guess its up to the individual, nothing wrong with offering the idea to women and then those who are interested can seek more info on what to expect. Some women don't even want to know they havea vagina, others embrace it. cheers Megan.
RE: [ozmidwifery] after birth pains
I had excrutiaiting after-pains with my fourth baby, 2hrspont waterbirth at home, I was in such agony it was almost unbearable, this was after the placenta had come away and before I had breastfed.I don't know how long they lasted, but as soon as I passed a heap of bloody clots etc they instantly calmed to a tolerable period pain feeling. Even with the feeding it never came close to the intensity of the pain I had experienced earlier. I wondered lots at the time why I experienced this and I settled with something at a higher level I didn't fully understand but was part of that particular birth. Not to mention I was completely exhausted after a very busy pregnancy, oldest child not yet 6, my uterus had a lot of work to do and ovbiously cleaning out any remaining matter that wasn't needed. A friend having her 5th baby had absolutely no after-pains, quite unexpected and obviously enjoyed. Not particulalry helpful I guess but maybe discussing it with her, exploring ways of dealing with it as far as pain relief eg, heat, touch etc. Maybe by being prepared for the worse, she may have dealt with it already and not need to experience it. Interesting to hear what others think, cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lyn lynSent: Sunday, 2 April 2006 10:32 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] after birth pains Hi all I am seeing a mother G4P3 now at 36 weeks who has asked me if there is anything she can do about after birth pains. She had severe suffering after her last two and would like to avoid if possible. Can they actually be avoided. and if so could that mean that there is a risk that her uterus will not contract down strongly and therefore she may bleed heavily. A midwife I know talked about using coosh (not sure if blue or black, i have no experience with either). Supposed to be an antispasmodic, which may not be ideal if we want a contacted uterus. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide lyn
RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] cranio-osteopath
Hi Sylvia, In Adelaide I know of, Andrea Wheatley in Nth Adelaide Ph 8361 8033, my kids I have all been treated by her and I highly recommend. Mile End Osteo clinic on Sth Rd, Abigail Abbott, ph 8354 4887. Also can recommend personally. Kensington Osteo, Barbara Mat Towers, Ph 8431 1166. They have 2 or 3 little ones themselves, but not sure about what their practice is. Also Helen in Mt Barker, 8391 3298, not sure of her practice either. They are all registered qualified Osteopaths. In the yellow pages others are listed, often Chiros will carry this title as well and say they do cranial work. Hope this helps Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Boutsalis Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 8:20 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cranio-osteopath Hi all, Does anyone know of a cranio-osteopath in Adelaide for an infant. The baby was born with forceps and is showing signs of colic and is really unsettled. I thought I could give the mother another avenue to explore. Thanks in advance. Sylvia Boutsalis Adelaide -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirths
Not sure for how long but at the moment this story is on the main page of www.NEWS.com.au, has a picture of a baby under water and then the article has a picture of Elle. Anyway, its a good promotion for water birth. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:45 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirths A rising tide of water births From: By Ellen ConnollyJanuary 08, 2006 UNDERWATER births have risen by nearly 40 per cent in the past five years as women aim for more natural delivery, Homebirth Australia has found."More and more women are using water as a pain reliever, either at home or in birthing centres," said Homebirth Australia secretary Justine Caines, who recently gave birth to twins in a blow-up pool at her home. The Royal Hospital for Women reported 126 of its births, or 38 per cent, were under water last year compared to 25 per cent in 1997. Celebrities including Elle Macpherson, Kate Winslet and Pamela Anderson have embraced the growing trend. And most recently, MacLeod's Daughters star Bridie Carter had a water birth. At least seven NSW hospitals have water birth facilities. In 2004, research published in the British Medical Journal showed women who spent at least part of their labour in water had less pain and were less likely to require intervention than those cared for in the conventional way. However, the Australian Medical Association opposes water births because of "potential risks for the baby", including water in the lungs".
RE: [ozmidwifery] Whilst we are on the topic of early screening....
I agree Jo (how are you), To add to this I also wonder about the baby born healthy but along lifes journey develops an illness or whatever for which there is no cure. Healthy at birth is no guarantee for anything. My least favourite saying to pregnant women is as long as its healthy... What a dumb thing to say ( I know good intentions)but what if its not healthy? Will we love the child less or does your love stop when your child develops brain damage from, say, a car accident? A family at our school are grieving for the loss of their 3 yr old daughter who battled her short life with cancer, was she healthy at birth? There are so many possibilities, and I agree, tests are good if we understand what can come from them, as long as we know their limitations too. Cheers Megan (exhausted from present shopping) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 4:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Whilst we are on the topic of early screening One of the things I keep thinking about with this and the other screening tests that have been discussed is that not all birth defects have a genetic origin. Couples that feel strongly that they would not continue a pregnancy can do all these tests, feel reassured, and get to their 20 week ultrasound, or the birth of their child only to find that something is anywhere from slightly to very wrong with their baby. Getting an all clear on downs or CF does not mean you won't find your baby has an extra finger, webbed fingers, club foot, cleft palate or a radically malformed heart. I think the education given to consumers about what tests there are, what is and is not covered, what results will mean, what you might want to do about the results etc, is woefully lacking and makes the shock of getting a bad result so much worse. I think the availability of testing is generally a good thing, but there should be far better education about the tests and the conditions they are for that allow people to make informed choices of their own about whether to test in the first place and what to do if they do test and get a bad result. At 8:22 AM +1100 7/12/05, Helen and Graham wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/babys-sex-test-offers-new-hope/200 5/12/06/1133829597883.htmlhttp://www.smh.com.au/news/national/babys-se x-test-offers-new-hope/2005/12/06/1133829597883.html Baby's sex test offers new hope By Julie Robotham Medical Editor December 7, 2005 AUSTRALIAN doctors have identified the sex of 22 foetuses as early as five weeks into pregnancy from cells taken from their mother's cervix, in a proof of concept experiment they say could lead to improved tests for conditions such as Down syndrome and cystic fibrosis. Gab Kovacs, professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at Melbourne's Box Hill Hospital, said women would welcome the opportunity to know their foetus was healthy as early as possible during pregnancy. Where an abnormality was detected and the woman chose termination, this would involve fewer risks and medical complications if it could be done earlier. At present, the earliest test that can determine definitively if a foetus is affected by Down syndrome is chorionic villus sampling, in which placental cells are cultured around 11 weeks of pregnancy. But the test is invasive, and occasionally triggers miscarriage of healthy foetuses. Amniocentesis, conducted later in pregnancy, has similar drawbacks. Professor Kovacs's initial study, reported this week in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, was carried out in women who were having abortions. The scientists compared the sex of the foetus identified from foetal cells in the women's cervical mucus with the sex chromosomes they found in the placenta after the termination. The results matched in all cases. The next phase would be to conduct a larger study in women who were continuing their pregnancies, Professor Kovacs said. This would provide extra information about the reliability of the method, which uses polymerase chain reaction (CVS) technology to confirm the cells are not from the mother and the sex of the foetus. We have ethics committee approval to do that in an antenatal population, Professor Kovacs said. Detecting abnormalities would be no more difficult technically than determining sex, he said. The trial would also confirm the technique - which Professor Kovacs described as causing less discomfort than a Pap smear - was safe for the mothers and babies. But it would be at least five years before it could go into widespread use. Andrew McLennan, a consultant in foetal medicine at Royal North Shore Hospital, said previous attempts to isolate foetal cells had failed, and Professor Kovacs's technology was still at a very early stage. If the new technique proved effective, Dr McLennan predicted it would initially be used with more traditional tests. A
RE: [ozmidwifery] ossification?
My Mum was induced for 3 babies 40 years ago for that rubbish,(head won't mould, baby too big, blah, blah, blah)some things don't change. Contact the Osteopathic Association for some written proof, I'm sure they will have something for you. http://www.osteopathic.com.au/index.htm good luck Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Monday, 21 November 2005 10:59 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ossification? Robyn that's exactly what I think! But where is it written so it can be given as proof to mamas who don't know this stuff? I can't find anything : ( J - Original Message - From: Robyn Dempsey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ossification? Hello Janet The babies head does not 'ossify'! Just ask any chiropractor...they are still soft and able to be manipulated for ages. I've never heard such a lot of rubbish. If you think about it, the fontanelles don't close for 6-18months, to allow for brain growth. I think this Ob, is using his position to disadvantage the woman. Robyn D - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: 20 November, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ossification? Hi all, Are there actually any studies into when/if it occurs? I've seen an increasing number of women lately being told they *have* to have an ERC at 41 weeks or the baby will be too rigid to mold. Puh-lease! Any good sources I can share about this?TIA J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
RE: [ozmidwifery] iodine deficient
Hi Jennifairy, Have a look at http://abc.net.au/catalyst/, they are doing a story on it this Thurs night (3/11), 8pm, it may be of interest to your friend. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifairy Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:58 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI I have an older friend who is iodine deficient seeing a naturopath who is prescribing iodine which is absorbed thru the skin - kind of like all those nicotine HRT patches apparently if it is absorbed within a 12 hour timeframe, her body needs it, if its still sitting on the skin after that time, she obviously doesnt! Anybody else heard of this kind of thing? Jennifairy leanne wynne wrote: Iodine: the clever mineral October 25, 2005 When we think of iodine, we think of that fluorescent yellow liquid that was painted viciously on our cuts and grazes as kids. But according to recent studies, this mineral has a far more important role in our health, particularly for pregnant women and their developing babies' brains. Iodine is essential for a healthy thyroid which produces the thyroid hormone or 'brain juice' for developing babies and children. A prolonged lack of iodine in your diet may lead to a condition known as Iodine Deficiency Disorder or IDD. This deficiency is the single most important cause of preventable intellectual deficit in the world. Preventable intellectual deficit refers to conditions such as goitre, cretinism and mental retardation. It is important to ensure adequate iodine intake during pregnancy, as this is the time when the brain does the most developing. Iodine deficiency, particularly in children, may lead to lower intelligence levels and learning disorders. It has also been noted that an iodine deficiency can mean development problems for the baby and may even lead to miscarriage. The recommended daily intake for pregnant women is 120 -150 micrograms with a maximum of 1.1 milligrams per day. Sydney endocrinologist, Professor Creswell Eastman coordinated a study which measured iodine levels in eight-to-ten year old children. The results were expected to trigger the mandatory addition of iodine to salt. This move has already been agreed to, in principle, by state health ministers. It's going to be years before mandatory fortification takes place, and in the meantime it would be intolerable, almost criminal, to let [pregnant] women be at risk of iodine deficiency, Professor Eastman said. Where to find rich sources of iodine: Seafood - fish, mussels. Vegetables - in particular, beets, celery, lettuce, mushrooms. Fruits - grapes, oranges in particular So, if you're lucky enough to be pregnant, reach for a salad sandwich instead of that second helping of cake and your baby will thank you for it when they're graduating with their master's degree. REFERENCES First National Iodine Study Western Sydney Area Health Services Media Release 20.09.03 Hetzel BS. Iodine deficiency disorders and their eradication. Lancet 1983; 2: 1226-1229. First National Iodine Study Western Sydney Area Health Services Media Release 20.09.03 Iodine - http://www.birth.com.au/class.asp?class=6510page=15 Rouse Rada Extra Iodine Recommended in Pregnancy - Medical Observer September 2005 : Rich Sources of Nutrients - http://www.gmhc.org/health/nutrition/factsheets/nutrients.html Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
I don't want to shoot you down on the skinny thing, but I was one of those skinny teenagers, barely a breast to speak of. I even believed that it may prevent me to b/feed. Well, 4 kids later, all breastfed, 2 for 18 months, 1 for 2 1/2 yrs and my 16 mth old is as dedicated as they get. I stupidly also believed my small breasts would at least stay up nice and high, Oh how wrong I was. Saggy old socks are just as likely on us A cups too. I had a lovely conversation with my 4 yr old today on my breast anatomy, he thinks they are lovely. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:50 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART I wonder if this woman has had reasonable breast growth as a teenager, if she was particularly skinny, dieted heaps etc or some sort of breast trauma? Belinda Jenny Cameron wrote: Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or expression, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - *From:* Nicole Carver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM *Subject:* RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Jenny Cameron *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth with a twist!
I found their BB website, which has some video of the birth, no subtitles, so havn't a clue of the dialogue. The other housemates make some funny expressions, the blokes in particular. See if the link works, http://www.talpa.tv/web/show/id=90267/dbid=749/tab=video/typeofpage=51230 It's a bit slow, even with broadband, so make a brew first. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:53 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth with a twist! This story is in today's Sydney Morning Herald, with a photo of hte Mum and baby: Big Brother's baby October 19, 2005 - 6:43AM A contestant on the Dutch Big Brother television reality show gave birth to a baby girl in the house. The contestant, Tanja, gave birth to a girl she named Joscelyn Savanna, according to Talpa, the television station launched by billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol. Talpa, which has been accused of planning to exploit the newborn to boost the show's ratings, published pictures of Tanja, her mother and the baby on its website as well as comments from the other contestants on the birth. The 27-year-old from the northern town of Groningen, who was already seven months pregnant when she entered the Big Brother house, gave birth in a special room. We are very proud of you, said Dido, 24, as Tanja returned to the living room of the house to applause from the others. The ruling Christian Democrats had condemned the idea of a birth on the show and Dutch authorities said the program's makers could film the baby for only two hours a day and for a maximum of eight days in accordance with rules for child actors. Unlike other contestants, who must stay in the house until they are either voted off the program or finally win, the baby will be able to leave the Big Brother house with family members and will have her own room where she may not be filmed. Versions of Big Brother first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 and have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide, making De Mol's fortune. -- Now if only the local producers could organise a home birth! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Title: Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys)
RE: [ozmidwifery] Article about increased respiratory distress and LUSCS
That is so sad, don't change the c/s rate, just do it later or better still use a drug to give a better outcome. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Sunday, 16 October 2005 8:55 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Article about increased respiratory distress and LUSCS http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes/stories/s1480474.htm Caesarian section and respiratory distress 12 October2005 Caesarian section rates in countries like Australia are soaring. Once maybe one in 10 babies were born by section whereas these days it can be as high as one in two. There are various questionable reasons for this, one being the babys safety.The reality for the baby though, is that being born by caesarean section is unnatural and theres a higher rate of respiratory distress. Its thought that its maybe because the baby doesnt experience the stress of labour (mind you nor does the mother).Anyway, a UK group has done a trial involving mothers at term in other words 37 weeks or more - giving them steroids just before an elective caesarean section to see whether as with pre-term babies, steroids might prevent respiratory problems.They found that steroids did reduce the risk of the baby being admitted to a special care unit with respiratory problems but the reduction also occurred by just delaying the section till the mother was at least 39 weeks. So if thats possible it should be considered. For reference Steer PJ. Giving steroids before elective caesarean section. British Medical Journal 2005;331:645-646Stutchfield P et al. Antenatal betamethasone and incidence of neonatal respiratory distress after elective caesarean section: pragmatic randomised trial. British Medical Journal 2005;331:662-664 More Info? Too many
RE: [ozmidwifery] Convenience
We just had a holiday, left our dog at home, took the kids (of course). She ran away in a storm the first night and we worried about her til she was found 3 days later, safe but tired. Not sure its any easier? :-) Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Friday, 14 October 2005 8:33 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Convenience An you can send a puppy to boarding kennel so you can have a holiday Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where you'll find it." Lois Wilson
RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour
My hospital born baby, induction by gels, 8hr labour, synto to birth placenta had jaundice. My 3 water births at home, 1 same length and 2 shorter labours, no intervention, placenta attached around 3 hours after birth, no jaundice. Too many variables to suggest its one cause. Off topic, did anyone see the birth on All Saints last night? Seen worse, but could have got her off the bed or at least on her front. Nice to hear the male nurse (ex-midwife?) use a calming voice and somewhat supporting to her needs, still TV loves to make it so exciting. Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:18 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour My experience of this, is that if the cords are not cut until they have finished pulsing, babies seem to develop jaundice for longer..(that the usual standards) . That makes complete sense to me, since they get more blood than babes that had cords clamped and cut quickley. I'm sure I read somewhere that babies are deprived of as much as 25% of their blood volume by cutting the cord. Nearly everyone I know that did not cut the cord, had babies that developed Jaundice. Nothing serious just yellowing. - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour There are many reasons that influence whether a baby gets jaundiced or not Two of these are 1. prematurity ( of the liver as well as dates, some babies livers take ages to be efficient enough to clear the jaundice. 2. Not passing mec soon after birth. The longer the mec stays inside the more bilirubin is reabsorbed increasing the workload of the immature system. This is usually influenced by how quickly the baby is able to feed. The thing about synt is that it is often used to augment labour in a woman who has been labouring for hours or to induce labour in a woman who is not yet ready to go into labour and the result is a tired mother and baby who often dont come together well to feed without good assistance. This is often not forthcoming in the hurry to get things cleaned up, the move to the postnatal ward and paper work to be done. Ask your friend and she will probably not have seen jaundice in a woman who has had synt but had a quick labour. Most women who birth in hospitals have synt in some form or other for 3rd stage and the level of jaundice in some settings is very low. I would suggest it may be in direct relationship to the length of time until feeding is established. I think the whole reason synt is being used is the concern rather than blaming the synt for jaundice alone. Andrea Q On 06/10/2005, at 2:03 AM, Belinda wrote: I have a friend who has been a ipm for many years and she believes that babies are more likely to get jaundiced when the mother has had synto, it makes sense of they get that extra unneccessary boost of blood. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
I've just posted a letter to 7.30 report, Go to http://www2b.abc.net.au/730/letters/guestbook/ and have your say. Thankyou for bringing attention to Midwives and their ongoing concerns with trying to be with women through pregnancy and birth. I am in Adelaide and 6 years ago when we wanted to have a known Midwife, we could only access it by hiring a private Midwife. We chose to birth at home and the result was a beautiful waterbirth, all extremely healthy and happy. We went on to have the same Midwife with our next 2 children, also beautiful waterbirths at home. At no time in those three pregnancies was my or our babies health ever at risk because an Obstetrician was not involved. Our Midwife was perfectly capable of monitering our well-being whilst it stayed in the scope of her skills and the involvement of further medical support was always an option if indicated. We had to pay for this care ourselves, saving our struggling health system tens of thousands of dollars and I can easily say that its amongst the best money we ever spent. Having said that, why should we have had to pay for this model of care, when another woman could access full medical specialist care, ie Obstetric, for the entire length of her pregnancy, birth in hospital and be completely covered financially by the government? When we talk about choice, this is part of it. As a healthy, low risk woman having a baby I can't have a funded known Midwife care for me. This is not CHOICE. Women and Midwives are asking for a legitimate model of care which is not only safe but perfectly suited to a birthing woman. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 8:03 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units Here's the transcript if anyone missed it http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1463815.htm Cheers Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] developmental hip dysplasia
Are you able to access an Osteopath? I havn't any experience with hip dysplacia, but have been very happy with all sorts of treatment from an Osteopath, even if its complimentary to what else you look into. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Saturday, 17 September 2005 8:03 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] developmental hip dysplasia Hi eveyone, I am just wondering if anyone can enlighten me a little on my 18 month old daughter just-diagnosed developmental hip dysplasia. I am still in disbelief that this was not picked up when she was first born and my paediatrician agreed. To make things worse he told us that in Wollongong Hospital (where she was born) they used to have a paediatrician who did a routine check for DDH on all of the newborns and all were picked up. To cut costs the IAHS got rid of this service and according to my paed one or two children are now overlooked. What angers me is that even with treatment, because she is older, my daughter will face the possibiliity of having ongoing hip problems. If anyone has any info on this condition (stories you've heard etc) I would greatly appreciate it if you could get in touch with me. Also, what is the general procedure for the testing the hips and do you guys think a paediatric examination should be routine? Thanks so much for having a read of my email, Kylie Carberry[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] cow colostrum
Was being told about a similar product from a Neways person, and had a lovely time feeling her ears with how feeding really works. Explaining how our milk and no doubt cows, changes constantly to meet the needs of the infant feeding and so by taking colustrum at one particular time makes me question how effective it really is. (especially for humans) I saw where sports people were taking it as a natural enhancer. Have aslo seen it advertised in kitten food, it wouldn't be needed if kittens were left with their mums til they weened. Ahh, but they are cuter at 6 weeks, not 12 weeks. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larissa InnsSent: Thursday, 15 September 2005 2:30 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] cow colostrum Well I think I've seen it all now - just perusing ebay when I found that you can buy cow colostrumcapsules online!! The colostrum is harvested in the first 5 milkings after calving and then dried into powder. Not only do we humans have to interfere in our ownbirths we are now down to stealing colostrum from cows! Hugs,Larissa
RE: [ozmidwifery] interesting article FYI
I'm still, more or less, the only source of food for my 14mth old and have to say am not surprised by this article. Why else would I have a healthy, well nourished child? I know not everything natural is good for us, but why do they presume that this high fat content could be harmful. Again the question of would mother nature get it so wrong comes to mind. Megan and a happy, happy Hugo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of leanne wynne Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2005 7:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] interesting article FYI Fat Content of Breast Milk Increases with Time By Amanda Gardner HealthDay Reporter TUESDAY, Sept. 6 (HealthDay News) -- The longer a mother breast-feeds, the higher the fat and energy content of her breast milk . However, experts are not sure what this finding, which appears in the September issue of Pediatrics, signifies. This is the first study to analyze the fat and energy content of breast milk of mothers who breast-feed for longer than a year, said study co-author Dr. Ronit Lubetzky, who is with the department of pediatrics at Dana Children's Hospital at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center in Israel. There are more and more women who choose to breast-feed for longer time periods, and not many studies about the nutritional value of their milk during this prolonged lactation. This is a nicely done study which looked at a question that really needed to be answered, added Dr. Ruth Lawrence, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Rochester School of Medicine and a member of the executive committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics' section on breast-feeding. I think many people's general impression is if you continue to breast-feed beyond a year, probably the nutrient value drops, and this is quite different information and very important. No one is sure how long mothers should breast-feed, although the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that breast-feeding continue for at least 12 months, and thereafter for as long as mutually desired. A reduction in cardiovascular risks in adulthood is one oft-cited benefit of this practice. Others, however, have said it might have the opposite effect. To determine the fat and energy content of human breast milk at longer periods, Lubetzky and colleagues sampled the breast milk of 34 mothers who had been breast-feeding for 12 to 39 months, and compared that with the milk of 27 mothers who had been breast-feeding for only two to six months. They found a startling difference: the fat content in the mothers who had breast-fed for longer periods of time was 17.5 percent, versus only 5 percent in the short-term group. The researchers said that, while it was possible that something other than duration might be affecting the findings, they still felt this was the most likely explanation for the difference. It's not clear what the effects of this higher energy and fat content are on a child's health. We showed that the milk of mothers who breast-fed more than a year had a very high fat content, Lubetzky said. That contradicts the claim that breast-feeding at this stage has no nutritional contribution. On the other hand, the long-term effect of such a high-fat intake has not been studied. The constituents of fat and human milk are very different than what we provide in formula today. One of the most important constituents of human milk is cholesterol. Formula does not, Lawrence said. There are many people who think that probably one of the problems with cholesterol today occurs because infants have not had any cholesterol in the first few months of life; perhaps the body doesn't learn to deal with it. There are studies that show that young adults have much lower cholesterol levels if they were breast-fed than if they were bottle-fed. Still, Lawrence added, this is an area that needs to be researched further. Lubetzky agreed. Further studies should analyze this milk fat qualitatively, and try to sort out the influence of prolonged breast-feeding on cardiovascular issues, she said. Another study in the same issue of the journal found, not surprisingly, that American hospitals designated as Baby Friendly by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Children's Fund had higher breast-feeding rates than other hospitals. These hospitals follow WHO's Ten Steps to Successful Breast-feeding. At Baby Friendly institutions, the rate of women beginning breast-feeding was 83.8 percent, versus 69.5 percent nationally. The initiation rate at hospitals with a higher proportion of black patients was only 70.7 percent. The overall rate of women who breast-fed exclusively during their hospital stay was 78.4 percent at Baby Friendly hospitals compared with a national mean of 46.3 percent. More information The American Academy of Pediatrics has a policy statement on breast-feeding. SOURCES: Ronit Lubetzky, M.D., department of pediatrics,
RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
Its interesting how the conversation focuses on the womans vagina. What about the rest of her body? My husband loved the feeling of my muscles working in my body, he says they have been different for each birth. The last 3 were water births, so no vagina watching by any one. Speaking on his behalf, I know that he was and is so awe inspired by watching me have our babies, it only added to his desire and love. So I guess the total experience of how women birth is what we are looking at. No surprises there! The book, I think titled, Father Time, which is a collection of interviews of Australain men, discusses this and the men who experienced homebirths very clearly did not experience the trauma. I'm not sure about this sexual mystery thing though. As a woman I take great pride in having a uterus, vagina and breasts that have created and given life 4 times, its not all about toys for boys. (Although having 4 sons kind of retracts that statement) My thoughts anyway Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:26 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Men at births This is an interesting report in today's Sydney Morning Herald. I remember Michel Odent talking about research done in the US that explored the effect on a couple's sexual relationship when the man had been exposed to the birth process. Michel was advocating that women might want to retain some of their sexual mystery by excluding men from the birth room. I have been at births where I wondered how the father was taking the sight of a practitioner cutting an episiotomy. What does everyone think about this? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/30/1125302566185.html Regards, Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother
Title: FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother Big Brother baby From: Reuters From correspondents in Amsterdam August 28, 2005 DUTCH authorities are investigating plans by the producers of the Big Brother reality television show to include a pregnant contestant who will give birth on the show. Talpa, the new television station launched earlier this month by the billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol, will broadcast a new series from Sunday in which a contestant is due to give birth six weeks into the show. A spokeswoman for the social affairs and labor ministry confirmed a report in De Telegraaf daily on Saturday that inspectors were examining a request by Big Brother producers for the newborn baby to be allowed to appear on the program. The Netherlands has strict rules governing young children acting on television, in films or on the stage. The ruling Christian Democrats have condemned the idea of a birth on the live show, but the 27-year-old pregnant contestant identified only as Tanja defended the idea. I think that my child will be proud of it later, she told De Telegraaf. The show's director Hummie van der Tonnekreek said Tanja would be well looked after in the Big Brother house, where a group of 12 strangers are locked in together and gradually voted out by the audience. She will get the maximum attention and care, Van der Tonnekreek said. Versions of the show first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ventouse information
Title: Message AnOsteopath may have some info on it, maybe try through the association, ora local practitioner? It is probably another of those practices (ventouse) that hasn't been looked into beyond 'saving' babies lives in the birth process. I would think its Osteos and the like that know more about long term impacts. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 10:45 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ventouse information They don't have anything on how it might affect a baby. No one does. J - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ventouse information have you tried maternity wise? jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:16 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] ventouse information Hi all, can anyone direct me to online resources on the use and risks of ventouse? I have the info from ACE but that's about it really. Best, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] Aupuncture for IOL
hi, not pregnant, but early post-natal I had a course of 20 accupuncture treatments for carpal tunnel. Even after the first session I was relieved of some pain. I was very pleased with my results, occasionally it has returned, mostly with a new baby, etc but it doesn't stay for long. I truly feel it saved me from using steroids and possibly surgery. I do however think that there is lots of accupuncturists around and not all are the same. My practitioner spent a good half hour on me each visit, staying with me and re-adjustingas needed the whole time. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 4:45 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Aupuncture for IOL Another query. How successful have you found acupuncture for IOL and carpal tunnel (in late pregnancy) ? Anyone? Brenda M
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
Hi Jo, My experience is that we vaccinated our first son,wanted to question it but we weren't at that place in ourselves, after his 12mth MMR, he was a very sick boy and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Our GP at the time was happy to say it was the vaccine, just give him 4 hourly paracetamol and ignore the maximum dosage recommendation until better. There was no reporting of the reaction. A few years before that I had also been vaccinated by the same GP, for triple antigen booster, ended up in emergency that night very sick and the Dr accepted it as being a reaction to the vaccination, again no reporting. After our son's reaction to MMR, we started the research and reached the decision not to continue vaccinating. Our three other children are not vaccinated. We have have done the tetanus threat after a hospital visit for a split lip, but refused to be bullied into it out of fear. Again went home made some calls, read a lot and chose not to vaccinate. We have had a 4 month old baby being treated for suspected meningitis, but it hasn't changed our minds on vaccination. I cannot trust the government literature as I know now personally and anecdotally how much under-reporting there is of adverse reactions. It's not good enough that those vaccinating us can ignore any consequences of this treatment, despite clear instructions to report these side effects. And why do Dr's get paid to vaccinate us? If it is so critical to our health and well-being why do the government have an incentive payment to Dr's per vaccination? I can to tell you that not vaccinating my children is always with me. We are always seeking more information to support or change our decision. Everytime I go to the Dr's (which is hardly ever)I wonder how it will be respected. What kind of reaction will I get from others at school etc. I don't see it as a burden, I just have it with me as part of my parenting, like so many other things. It's not an easy decision when you are starting out, like childbirth and the choices we have with that, we do have to accept the benefits and consequences of our actions. Parenting is a constant challenge, and we all have our own notion of what is the best thing to do by our children. Welcome to the game of life. You can really only do what you believe to be right at the time and after that don't look back just learn and move forward. Also check out VISA at http://www.visainfo.org.au/ Take your time to be sure whatever you decide Megan (obviously with a lot to say) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Hi All. I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies. This is the week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 months old tomorrow. We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together. Here is why I'm hesitant: He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever). It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases all at once - or is it? I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which vaccine to avoid next time. The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all that likely to find my son just yet - or are they? However... Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's schedule? He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later? We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete decision. Any opinions/info would be appreciated! Thanks, Jo :) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] drs getting paid to vaccinate
Hi Fiona, "Doctors are trained as health professionals and as such should of course get paid for doing their job" Of course they should be paid, but I am talking about an extra payment. A payment given as a reward for every time they vaccinate someone. If they believe in it then they should be doing it as part of their job, a financialincentive should not be part of this. If the government insisits on paying vaccine providersa bonus payment, then I would be impressed to see that money handed back to the communityby the way of a charitable donation or the like. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fiona RumbleSent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:34 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] drs getting paid to vaccinate "And why do Dr's get paid to vaccinate us? If it is so critical to our healthand well-being why do the government have an incentive payment to Dr's pervaccination?" There is absolutely no point in vaccinating anyone unless broad coverage of (I think) 90% of the population is covered. The aim of the Govt in having these programs is to eradicate these diseases that have the capacity to wipe out thousands of lives or leave behind a horrible human cost in their path. Due to the number of people who choose (for whatever reason and with no disrespect to any of you) not to vaccinate, there needs to be a great push to get everyone else vaccinated. Doctors are trained as health professionals and as such should of course get paid for doing their job. There is always two sides to every coin. I choose to avoid oxytocin and Vit K during child birth as I trust in my body's ability to produce the required elements necessary to birth effectively and prevent haemorrhage. However, I also choose to vaccinate my children and myself (working in the healthcare field) as I believe the benefit to the greater whole (community) outweighs any possible adverse reaction from the vaccination. I have made an informed choice and should the unthinkable happen I would in no way feel guilty for my choice. I suggest that each individual needs to know that they can accept the consequences of their own decisions either way. Regards Fiona Rumble
RE: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...
Hi Miriam, My Mum taped it for me if that helps?? It will probably be in tomorrows Advertiser. Otherwise contact Brian Peat or at least the hospital for a copy of the study. It was pretty basic, as you expect from a news story and of course nicely followed by the special delivery of a baby in the carpark of FMC, thank goodness they got all the green lights from Happy Valley, otherwise baby would have come on South Rd, and you can imagine how hard it would be to find help then. Yuk Yuk Yuk Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam Hannay Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 8:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story... Hi tania and all, I missed the story as I was at work and can't find the transcript on the website. Does anyone have more info and maybe a link to get further info on this so called research. i'm sitting at the computer fuming with rage. love, miriam (2nd year FUSA) --- Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How misleading a promo can be... A news story saying that Brian Peat, chief Ob at the Women's and Children's hospital is considering recommending that all women be induced at 39 weeks, given the evidence that babies over 39 weeks gestation are at high risk of death and disability. Oh dear... Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Ovarian cyst question...
Hi Tania, I seem to remember hearing that this could benefit from treatment from a homeopath with chinese herbs etc, the person was pregnant at the timebut the herbs were contra-indicatedso, no good. If not pregnant or lactating though it would be worth seeking further advice, maybe Thomas, if she is local. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Wednesday, 15 June 2005 3:13 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Ovarian cyst question... Hi lovely and wise women (and men!) Having been a nurse in a previous life, but never worked in Gynae, Im not really up on the current thinking about ovarian cysts. A friend has emailed me with the below question, wanting some further information, and Im wondering if there are any gynae wizards out there who can shed some light I'd like your advice on somethingI have a ovarian cyst in the right ovary. About 5-cm. We first discovered it in Oct. I've had two ultra sounds and the cyst hasn't grown, but it also hasn't gone away. I have no symptoms (i.e.: pain). I went to a Gyn. she was pretty straight forward with me, which I appreciate, but went quite quickly to the operation solution. Anyway, she then said they often let these run there natural course but as I am thinking of having kids this should be dealt with and at the time she can check things out and do a fertility test (die in the tubes). She is recommending a laparoscopy done the hasson technique (as I have had a umbellical hernia surgery before and she doesn't want to take the chance of hitting bowel - I am also happy for her not to hit anything else)Anyway, I'm wondering if you have an opinion on this whole thing. Are there other methods to deal with a cyst that are less invasive? What do you think of this fertility test? Is it safe or is it going to leave a lovely chemical residue in my tubes which can effect a fetis?I've decided to have an internal ultra sound to gather more information. Any websites, books, points of view you can throw in would be appreciated. Questions I should ask? Things that could happen they don't tell you about? I want a complete picture before making decisions.Thanks again. Thanks in advance, Tania
[ozmidwifery] News article, woman refused care for being overweight.
Title: News article, woman refused care for being overweight. Woman 'too fat' for birth June 13, 2005 From: AAP A PREGNANT woman says she has been told she cannot have her baby in a Victorian hospital because she is too fat. The woman, only identified as Lisa, was told she would not be admitted to Werribee Mercy Hospital, in Melbourne's outer south-west, because her Body Mass Index (BMI) was 41. A healthy BMI - a measure of body fat based on height and weight - is between 20 and 25 in men and women, and under 40 in pregnant women. A figure above that indicates a person may be overweight. Lisa, who is 31 weeks into her third pregnancy, weighs 110 kilograms. She told Southern Cross radio today that she had already filled out the paperwork and participated in a hospital survey before she was taken by a hospital staff member to a room to be weighed and have her height checked. She weighed and measured me, then sat down with her calculator and worked it out and just told me sorry you're 41, Lisa said. She said she was told by the staff member she would have to lose 8kg if she wanted to have her baby delivered at Werribee Mercy hospital. I've only got nine or 10 weeks left in my pregnancy, basically that's drop a kilo a week. Lisa told the staff member she could not do it and that she did not believe she had put on too much weight during the pregnancy. She asked what would happen as she had already filled out the paperwork and alleged the staff member then told her they would tear it up. Director of medical services at Werribee Mercy Hospital, Dr Peter Longmore, today confirmed the hospital did have a policy of not accepting pregnant women who had a BMI over 40. Dr Longmore said the risks during delivery were significantly higher for women who were overweight. Women who have a high BMI usually have larger babies and that causes difficulty during delivery, Dr Longmore said. He said the hospital did not have intensive care or neo-natal facilities if the baby or mother needed emergency treatment. The only hospitals which provide neo-natal facilities are the Royal Women's hospital, Monash Medical Centre and the Mercy Women's hospital, which are all in Melbourne. Dr Longmore said pregnant women with a BMI over 40 also had an increased risk of developing high blood pressure, diabetes and heart problems. Lisa said no-one from the hospital explained the risks to her. Had I been sat down and said look Lisa you've got high blood pressure or you've had an emergency cesarean before or you're overweight, we don't want to risk you being here, lets send you to the women's (Royal Women's hospital) that's fair enough ... instead of turning me away. Dr Longmore said he was not personally involved in Lisa's case so he could not comment on whether or not the hospital had explained the reasons for her being turned away. If the communication was lacking when she turned up then we need to look at that, Dr Longmore said. Obesity is a problem, it is important that patients need to know about the risks, he said.
FW: [ozmidwifery] Supporting survivors of sexual abuse during labour and birth..
I found this email in my folder, obviouslya subject comes up time and time again. Hopefully it is of use. Cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victoria CouldwellSent: Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:58 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Supporting survivors of sexual abuse during labour and birth.. Dear Julie, Regarding your recent query, I was able to locate the following information through Midwifery Today. It was a recentquestion postedin their 'feedback' section... Phyllis H. Klaus, CSW, MFCC, teaches and practices psychotherapy at the Erikson Institute in Santa Rosa and practices in Berkeley, California, working especially with the concerns of pregnancy, birth, and the postpartum period. Together with Marshall Klaus, she is co-author of "Your Amazing Newborn." She is the person you want to contact regarding this question. At a local Southern CA/Nevada LLLI area conference last May, she gave three sessions about this topic:* The Impact of Childhood Sexual Abuse on Pregnancy, Labor and Postpartum: Its Effects and Management* Possible Impact of Childhood Sexual Abuse on the Postpartum Period* Counseling Strategies and Help around Breastfeeding for Women with a History of Childhood Sexual Abuse Otherwise, contact Ms. Klaus for more articles/information. I also found a lot of info online. I did a search for "Helping survivors of sexual abuse through labor" in quotes. Here are a few links: Childhood Sexual Abuse and the Potential Impact on Maternity Andrya Prescott, Independent Midwifewww.gentlebirth.org/archives/abuselbr.htmlwww.geocities.com/virtualbirth/archives/abuse.htmlwww.grrlsurvivors.org/body/pregnancy/childbirth.htm Hope that this is helpful to you(and me..), Victoria Couldwell
[ozmidwifery] Birth centre in the news
Title: Birth centre in the news The defence of the QLD birth centre against Dr Molloys comments has made it to www.news.com.au as breaking news. Good publicity fo rthem Cheers Megan
[ozmidwifery] consent
Title: consent Hi all, With all the attention that the selling of our medical history by some money hungry GP's to the drug companies, maybe people will pay more attention to this kind of thing. The other day I caught a bit of Natasha Stott Despoja on Adelaide ABC radio and she brought up the various policies in Aus on consent for the guthries test and that it is kept for something like 50 years which is a nice little DNA sample. It all raises lots of questions, that most of us don't even know to ask. Megan
