Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Barbara Glare Chris Bright wrote: Hi, If you are interested in Elizabeth Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution, you can hear her speak at ABA seminars in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide from March 2nd-7th 2006. It's going to be fabulous - heaps of other great speakers, too. I'd love to be able to direct you to the website so you can register straight away..but I can't. It's not finished yet. The brochures will be out soon, so I'll keep you informed. For ABA subscribers and LRC subscribers, you will get information in Essence and Breastfeeding Review. The seminars are open to all midwives, mothers, health professionals of all types, esp those with a passion for breastfeeding. Barb Great to know! Thanks! Jo (who was up every 2 hours again last night...) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Hi, If you are interested in Elizabeth Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution, you can hear her speak at ABA seminars in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide from March 2nd-7th 2006. It's going to be fabulous - heaps of other great speakers, too. I'd love to be able to direct you to the website so you can register straight away..but I can't. It's not finished yet. The brochures will be out soon, so I'll keep you informed. For ABA subscribers and LRC subscribers, you will get information in Essence and Breastfeeding Review. The seminars are open to all midwives, mothers, health professionals of all types, esp those with a passion for breastfeeding. Barb - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days left of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's skin, or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or 3. I have read The No-Cry Sleep Solution and began implementing strategies on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... 11 of which I had to actually do something about. The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before going to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly well, on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then pulls off himself and turns his head away. Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. Thanks again people! Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Title: Infant Sleep Megan you are an awesome woman - and to think of all the volunteer work you do for the birth community in adelaide to boot. thankyou. to think i used to be jelous of you seeming to have the perfect child (your first) who played happily thru post natal yoga while mine cried every week and all night as well. I guess it just shows the randomness of these little babies patterns, parents just can't know what they are going to get and each one is so different. and your right most of the time its all about surrendering - literally! gving up and letting them be whoever it is they are...thankfully after about 10 months my baby sorted himself out and has been a fanstatic sleeper ever since. love suzi x - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days left of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's skin, or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or 3. I have read The No-Cry Sleep Solution and began implementing strategies on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... 11 of which I had to actually do something about. The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before going to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly well, on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then pulls off himself and turns his head away. Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. Thanks again people! Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Congratulations on following your heart and your babe, Jo. *hugs* J - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days left of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's skin, or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or 3. I have read The No-Cry Sleep Solution and began implementing strategies on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... 11 of which I had to actually do something about. The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before going to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly well, on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then pulls off himself and turns his head away. Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. Thanks again people! Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Just like they hide sugar in everything. Judy --- Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a little one with milk protein allergy I have learnt to check all labelling. They hide milk in just about everything. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Emily Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2005 2:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep hi there im vegan so heres a few yummy dairy free breakfast ideas: u can use rice or soy milk on cereals - porridge with tahini, honey and fruit - corn puffs (organic bags sold in coles and woolies) with fruit and soy yoghurt - weet-bix are dairy free too - rye toast with avocado and tomato / baked beans (protein) / tahini and fruit / soy cream cheese and tomato - you can get nuttelex margarine if you miss butter - you can use silken tofu to make a scramble sort of like scrambled eggs and add whatever you like to it (tomato, parsely, herbs) - soy milk smoothies with fruit, honey and cinnamon .. etc etc hope you (and bub) enjoy love emily Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana? It really is a change of mindset isnt it? - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff ! between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. http://au.movies.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Emily wrote: hi there im vegan so heres a few yummy dairy free breakfast ideas: u can use rice or soy milk on cereals - porridge with tahini, honey and fruit - corn puffs (organic bags sold in coles and woolies) with fruit and soy yoghurt - weet-bix are dairy free too - rye toast with avocado and tomato / baked beans (protein) / tahini and fruit / soy cream cheese and tomato - you can get nuttelex margarine if you miss butter - you can use silken tofu to make a scramble sort of like scrambled eggs and add whatever you like to it (tomato, parsely, herbs) - soy milk smoothies with fruit, honey and cinnamon .. etc etc hope you (and bub) enjoy love emily Wow, thanks, Emily! What a sweety you are. I've got the nuttalex already, but I'm not sure if I could stomach the soy milk... admittedly I haven't tried it for 10 years or so, but I think I'll go without for this 10 days (7 days left). If it turns out that this is the answer to our sleep issues, then I'll definitely have to grin and bear the taste of soy - never tried rice milk. I have been eating bread - does it have to be rye to be dairy free? I didn't even think that it might have milk products in it... Thanks so much! (feel free to email me off-list if you like ... I'm sure this is way off topic by now!) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Having a little one with milk protein allergy I have learnt to check all labelling. They hide milk in just about everything. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of EmilySent: Thursday, 20 October 2005 2:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep hi there im vegan so heres a few yummy dairy free breakfast ideas: u can use rice or soy milk on cereals - porridge with tahini, honeyand fruit - corn puffs (organic bags sold in coles and woolies) with fruit and soy yoghurt - weet-bix are dairy free too - rye toast with avocado and tomato / baked beans (protein) / tahini and fruit / soy cream cheese and tomato - you can get nuttelex margarine if you miss butter - you can use silken tofu to make a scramble sort of like scrambled eggs and add whatever you like to it (tomato, parsely, herbs) - soy milk smoothies with fruit, honey and cinnamon .. etc etc hope you (and bub) enjoy love emilyPinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana?It really is a change of mindset isnt it?- Original Message - From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <OZMIDWIFERY@ACEGRAPHICS.COM.AU>Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff ! between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
hi there im vegan so heres a few yummy dairy free breakfast ideas: u can use rice or soy milk on cereals - porridge with tahini, honeyand fruit - corn puffs (organic bags sold in coles and woolies) with fruit and soy yoghurt - weet-bix are dairy free too - rye toast with avocado and tomato / baked beans (protein) / tahini and fruit / soy cream cheese and tomato - you can get nuttelex margarine if you miss butter - you can use silken tofu to make a scramble sort of like scrambled eggs and add whatever you like to it (tomato, parsely, herbs) - soy milk smoothies with fruit, honey and cinnamon .. etc etc hope you (and bub) enjoy love emilyPinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana?It really is a change of mindset isnt it?- Original Message - From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <OZMIDWIFERY@ACEGRAPHICS.COM.AU>Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff ! between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing
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Funny you should mention that Belinda, I was just writing a reply along those lines... I drank heaps of chamomile tea when we went on a long haul overseas trip with our oldest son - he was 20 months old, and still a vigorous breast feeder. We also tried to get him to drink a bit, but no luck there. I think it helped, or maybe I was just so relaxed by it all that nothing bothered me too much... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying
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I meant what if you try drinking the tea Belinda wrote: I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http
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my girlfriend used peppermint tea for her very unsettled/colicky baby and found the days she didnt drink much he was much worse BelindaX Tania Smallwood wrote: Funny you should mention that Belinda, I was just writing a reply along those lines... I drank heaps of chamomile tea when we went on a long haul overseas trip with our oldest son - he was 20 months old, and still a vigorous breast feeder. We also tried to get him to drink a bit, but no luck there. I think it helped, or maybe I was just so relaxed by it all that nothing bothered me too much... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's
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FIONA AND CRAIG RUMBLE wrote: Jo, have you thought of trying a baby hammock? I used one for my second and third and did not have any problems as the baby's own movement bounces the sling and the movement puts baby back to sleep. If you lived near Mackay I would lend you one. The hammock was the best baby item I ever bought and most of my friends and family have tried it and also swear by the baby hammock. Have a look at the website. Cheers Fiona http://www.babyhammocks.com/ Regards Fiona Rumble Thanks Fiona, I'll check out the site :) I live in WA, so a bit far away for a lend! Jo
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Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists Thanks, Kelly. I have both of Pinky's books, but haven't heard of The Wonder Weeks... sounds like a good read! Just tried to have an afternoon nap with him - he slept on and off for 4 hours, and I think I got around 1.5 hours all up. He still 'woke' every 45 min, and was searching frantically for something to suck - lucky I was there! This too will pass - I have to remember that ... he won't need to suck to get to sleep forever, and I'm sure he'll be able to sleep through a few sleep cycles again like he used to. Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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islips wrote: My son was the same , waking every 45 minutes all night to have the dummy put back in. We decided to go cold turkey on the dummy one morning and although we had a bad day that night he slept from 6.30pm until 3.30am. Now if he wakes at night and has a feed he will just grizzle until he puts himself to sleep.( he was 41/2 months when we took the dummy away and he is now 7 months ). Once we did that he was no longer tied during the day and actually breastfeed better. Good Luck I know what it feels like. Zoe I can't see it being that easy for us... but you never know! Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky Yup, those were my fears, too. I just wish there was *the* right thing to do... not just a heap of different theories a lot of which could be right. It's also hard to think logically with only 3 hours' sleep under your belt every for every 24! I am not the only one; and this too, shall pass. These are my 2 mantras I have to repeat to myself! ;) Thanks! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep my girlfriend used peppermint tea for her very unsettled/colicky baby and found the days she didnt drink much he was much worse BelindaX Tania Smallwood wrote: Funny you should mention that Belinda, I was just writing a reply along those lines... I drank heaps of chamomile tea when we went on a long haul overseas trip with our oldest son - he was 20 months old, and still a vigorous breast feeder. We also tried to get him to drink a bit, but no luck there. I think it helped, or maybe I was just so relaxed by it all that nothing bothered me too much... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery
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I meant the mother drinks it I never advocate giving a baby anything else then bm. Pinky McKay wrote: clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep my girlfriend used peppermint tea for her very unsettled/colicky baby and found the days she didnt drink much he was much worse BelindaX Tania Smallwood wrote: Funny you should mention that Belinda, I was just writing a reply along those lines... I drank heaps of chamomile tea when we went on a long haul overseas trip with our oldest son - he was 20 months old, and still a vigorous breast feeder. We also tried to get him to drink a bit, but no luck there. I think it helped, or maybe I was just so relaxed by it all that nothing bothered me too much... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Pinky McKay wrote: clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky Ooh, thanks, Pinky. I'll check it out. The allergy thing has crossed my mind, as Will has the beginnings of eczema all over. If he was crying a lot, I'd be more worried about it, but he's fairly easily settled. I had thought of cutting out dairy for a while, but his digestive system doesn't seem to be causing him any problems ... so didn't think it was worth it. I'll definitely look at Sue's site though, Thanks! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky Ooh, thanks, Pinky. I'll check it out. The allergy thing has crossed my mind, as Will has the beginnings of eczema all over. If he was crying a lot, I'd be more worried about it, but he's fairly easily settled. I had thought of cutting out dairy for a while, but his digestive system doesn't seem to be causing him any problems ... so didn't think it was worth it. I'll definitely look at Sue's site though, Thanks! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana? It really is a change of mindset isnt it? - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Infant Sleep Joe I only have the one child who was fully breastfed for ..years. I couldn't see anything particularly different in your story to what my son was doing at that age either. That is meant to be reassuring that you know he is OK. The worst thing for me was people telling me that It will only be for the first 6 weeks It will only be for the first 3 months It will only be while he is cutting his first teeth He is hungry now and the bm isn't enough (at six months) The first year is the worst Once all of his teeth are in he will sleep better and so on I kept passing these so called milestones with 2 step forwards and 1-2 steps back feeling like a failure each time we didn't have an improvementin his sleep. I think it is like Megan says - if we don't expect too much we won't be disappointed. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation which went on for years but slowly gets better. We co-slept and didn't actually use a dummy.We did try different sleeping arrangements and sometimes he would go to sleep in his room but after the first or second wake in the night he went back in with us as I seemed to go back to sleep more quickly that way. I know I haven't contributed to any "solutions" for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys) __ NOD32 1.1257 (20051016) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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Title: Infant Sleep what wise advice Helen - I think we have become 'cultured' so far away from what is biologically normal into a quick fix mentality that we do hang on every 'solution' and live on 'hope' that the next thing we try or the nextmilestone will be the end of sleepless nights and so often as you and Megan say, this does leadto disappointment and selfdoubt or we beat up on ourselves for creating problems - how many times have you heard the term "accidental parenting" ? It really is no "accident" that babies know how to elicit exactly the care they need for whatever reasons - day and night. Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Joe I only have the one child who was fully breastfed for ..years. I couldn't see anything particularly different in your story to what my son was doing at that age either. That is meant to be reassuring that you know he is OK. The worst thing for me was people telling me that It will only be for the first 6 weeks It will only be for the first 3 months It will only be while he is cutting his first teeth He is hungry now and the bm isn't enough (at six months) The first year is the worst Once all of his teeth are in he will sleep better and so on I kept passing these so called milestones with 2 step forwards and 1-2 steps back feeling like a failure each time we didn't have an improvementin his sleep. I think it is like Megan says - if we don't expect too much we won't be disappointed. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation which went on for years but slowly gets better. We co-slept and didn't actually use a dummy.We did try different sleeping arrangements and sometimes he would go to sleep in his room but after the first or second wake in the night he went back in with us as I seemed to go back to sleep more quickly that way. I know I haven't contributed to any "solutions" for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys) __ NOD32 1.1257 (20051016) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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Pinky McKay wrote: ??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana? It really is a change of mindset isnt it? Yup, it sure is! Going shopping... Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Infant Sleep Helen and Graham wrote: I know I haven't contributed to any "solutions" for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen Thanks Helen and Megan. That's why I'm here - with people who have simillar philosophies, not people who suggest giving solids early! Or a mother who says he's getting cunning... cunning? A 4mo? I didn't think at the time, but later I thought that she was pretty cunning too, working out how to get my attention and making me come running - the telephone! She has actually worked out that if she wants my attention all she has to do is call me and I'll run to the phone to talk to her! Wow, isn't that cunning??!! ;) Thanks guys :) Jo
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Title: Infant Sleep Helen, I love your comments here, so very true and honest. I was wondering if you could please give me permission to quote what you said, anonymously, to help out a mum having similar sleep issues in my forums? I just couldnt say it any better! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Joe I only have the one child who was fully breastfed for ..years. I couldn't see anything particularly different in your story to what my son was doing at that age either. That is meant to be reassuring that you know he is OK. The worst thing for me was people telling me that It will only be for the first 6 weeks It will only be for the first 3 months It will only be while he is cutting his first teeth He is hungry now and the bm isn't enough (at six months) The first year is the worst Once all of his teeth are in he will sleep better and so on I kept passing these so called milestones with 2 step forwards and 1-2 steps back feeling like a failure each time we didn't have an improvementin his sleep. I think it is like Megan says - if we don't expect too much we won't be disappointed. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation which went on for years but slowly gets better. We co-slept and didn't actually use a dummy.We did try different sleeping arrangements and sometimes he would go to sleep in his room but after the first or second wake in the night he went back in with us as I seemed to go back to sleep more quickly that way. I know I haven't contributed to any solutions for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys) __ NOD32 1.1257 (20051016) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Title: Infant Sleep My apologies, I meant to send off list! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 1:08 PM To: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au' Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Helen, I love your comments here, so very true and honest. I was wondering if you could please give me permission to quote what you said, anonymously, to help out a mum having similar sleep issues in my forums? I just couldnt say it any better! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Joe I only have the one child who was fully breastfed for ..years. I couldn't see anything particularly different in your story to what my son was doing at that age either. That is meant to be reassuring that you know he is OK. The worst thing for me was people telling me that It will only be for the first 6 weeks It will only be for the first 3 months It will only be while he is cutting his first teeth He is hungry now and the bm isn't enough (at six months) The first year is the worst Once all of his teeth are in he will sleep better and so on I kept passing these so called milestones with 2 step forwards and 1-2 steps back feeling like a failure each time we didn't have an improvementin his sleep. I think it is like Megan says - if we don't expect too much we won't be disappointed. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation which went on for years but slowly gets better. We co-slept and didn't actually use a dummy.We did try different sleeping arrangements and sometimes he would go to sleep in his room but after the first or second wake in the night he went back in with us as I seemed to go back to sleep more quickly that way. I know I haven't contributed to any solutions for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys) __ NOD32 1.1257 (20051016) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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My sister found out that it was carbonated softdrinks that was upsetting her second baby and driving her nuts. Not fizz, no fuss. Many thanks to the Child Health Nurse who twigged to it. Judy --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Jo, have you thought of trying a baby hammock? I used one for my second and third and did not have any problems as the baby's own movement bounces the sling and the movement puts baby back to sleep. If you lived near Mackay I would lend you one. The hammock was the best baby item I ever bought and most of my friends and family have tried it and also swear by the baby hammock. Have a look at the website. Cheers Fiona http://www.babyhammocks.com/ Regards Fiona Rumble - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All...Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htmThe question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening!Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old)--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
