New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Scott Nelson

Hi everyone,

I've just joined the PDML.  I've been reading it for a little while, but now
I decided to take the plunge.  I live in Vancouver, BC, and I've only been
doing photography for just under a year.  I'm also an avid mountaineer, rock
climber and backcountry skier, so most of my photography tends to be very
outdoor oriented.  If anyone is interested in seeing some of my work, I've a
a few photos up on www.bivouac.com, a canadian mountaineering website.  You
will have to join the site as a member to see them though.  I'm looking
forward to hearing from all of you, especially those in the Vancouver area.

-Scott
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Odp: Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Maciej Marchlewski

Dnia 10-05-2002 o godz. 5:07 Chris Brogden napisal(a):

[about location poll]

 That's me.  I lost all that information when my computer 
crashed last
 week, so I'm going to have to do some digging through my old 
mail.  Or,
 alternately, if anyone has a copy of the info, feel free to 
send it me
 OFF-LIST.  Thanks!

Why not just do it from the scratch? The old one can be out of 
date anyway. I would gladly volunteer to do this but I have a 
dial-up connection to the net at home and it makes keeping up 
with list a bit difficult. But if no one would do this I will 
try to arrange something and do it. So Chris, keep us informed. 
And if you really don't like to do this - let me know.

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Re: Deal on Konica film

2002-05-10 Thread Alin Flaider

Bill wrote:

BO bringing the cost down to $0.33 per roll.  I've never used Konica before,
BO but what the heck, at that price I'll try it.

   I'm sorry to say, it's the right price. Grain it's annoying even at
   4x enlargements. Colours are neutral, yet the dynamic range is
   narrow.

Gabor wrote:

SG BTW, their Centuria films are good allround ones, a completely different
SG quality.

   Tastes may differ. Centuria 200 is a fine grain, sharp emulsion,
   yet colours lack saturation. Unfortunately, this doesn't bring more
   details in the shadows.
 
   Servus, Alin
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Re: MZ-Sn petition?

2002-05-10 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Sombody wrote (no idea who):

 Has anybody thought about making petition for Pentax headquarters with 
our opinions about MZ-S, and what could they do to make it better (in 
MZ-Sn???) Has anyone technical possibilities to make such a www site, 
where evereone interested could leave his comments on MZ-S, put this 
together (or I could do this part) and send to Japan??? I think, that we 
users, should have influence on future Pentax products, included improved 
MZ-S (aka MZ-Sn)! What do you think? Good idea or not?


REPLY:
Pentax is perfectly aware of what their customers think about their 
products. They will upgrade products to their customers wishes if they find 
it economically feasible and if it fit in with product cycles and other 
products etc. A Pentax rep told me that the reason Pentax doesn't advertise 
much is that they use all their marketing money on customer research!
The MZ-S, 645II and 67II actually include a host of features and details 
wanted by Pentax users. The MZ-S is perhaps one of the cameras where the 
user influence has been the strongest. The MZ-S is virtually a blueprint of 
the MZ-1 people wished for on this list among others.
As personal speculation I would expect the MZ-S to be upgraded provided 
that the camera will form the basis of Pentax digital slr's. However, this 
depends on the camera sales figures and how 35mm slr's will fare in the 
digital future.
On the other hand, I don't feel that the MZ-S needs much improvement.

Pål
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Photographica, London, May 12

2002-05-10 Thread David . Mann

Hi all (especially those in the UK),

In case you didn't know already: Photographica is almost here, and this is
your friendly reminder to be there.  You don't want to miss out on meeting
a PDMLer from the deep south, do you?  I'll be at Peter's table, if he can
keep me from running around the place in a mad purchasing frenzy.  Which is
not likely :)

The mail archive has been dead the past couple of days but I see its back
up now (minus the last two days worth of messages).  Hope I didn't miss too
much.

Cheers,

- Dave
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ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread MZ3_fella _

The MZ-3 was originally intended for the Japanese domestic market only where 
they were going to sell the MZ-5 and the MZ-3, but not the MZ-5N. The -5N 
was meant for export. Pentax Corp. in the US made the decision not to sell 
the MZ-3 in the US because of the price. This was a sales/marketing 
decision. However, because of the number of requests from European 
distributors, Pentax Europe added the MZ-3 to their stock assortment - 
selling it (initially) as a kit with the 43mm.

Pat

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Re: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Isn't the MZ-3 discontinued?



The MZ-3 was originally intended for the Japanese domestic market only where
they were going to sell the MZ-5 and the MZ-3, but not the MZ-5N. The -5N
was meant for export. Pentax Corp. in the US made the decision not to sell
the MZ-3 in the US because of the price. This was a sales/marketing
decision. However, because of the number of requests from European
distributors, Pentax Europe added the MZ-3 to their stock assortment -
selling it (initially) as a kit with the 43mm.
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Re: MZ-Sn petition?

2002-05-10 Thread Kristian Walsh

 On the other hand, I don't feel that the MZ-S needs much improvement.

 Pål


I'd second that, with the exception of a 100% viewfinder (magnification 
wouldn't be an issue to me, just coverage).
The MZ-S is a great camera - it's nice to see a manufacturer who's 
willing to invest in build quality instead of filling out a huge 
checklist of features most users won't need. The MZ-S is probably the 
best built camera you can get new for under 1000 euro...

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Re: Blimp Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 10/05/02 05:11:22 GMT Daylight Time, Unwell William writes:

 Hey guys,
 
I've never seen a blimp case, but is this what it looks like?
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1351926198 

Natch as I read this eBay is down but I can say that generally blimp cases 
resemble a baseball catcher's mitt. There are also hard ie rigid sound 
reducing housings available from low production run specialist companies - 
dang it, I forgot their names...

Peter
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Re: OT: Contax N Digital - spec changes

2002-05-10 Thread Kristian Walsh

 Now it's supposed to come out on my birthday!
Hey, that's my birthday -- give it back! ;-)

   Any Vegas oddsmakers here want to give me numbers on the likelihood 
 of it actually arriving this time?
No... they might actually do it this time. The change of sensitivity and 
resolution makes me think that maybe it's a different sensor.

Can you imagine the flak we'd be giving Pentax if they didn't come clean 
and can the thing last November?

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Re: MZ-Sn petition?

2002-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts

Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On the other hand, I don't feel that the MZ-S needs much improvement.

 Pål


I'd second that, with the exception of a 100% viewfinder (magnification 
wouldn't be an issue to me, just coverage).

I agree, in general. Even the viewfinder coverage isn't that big an issue for
me. I do miss having aperture control on the body, like the PZ-1p, but I don't
see how they could do that without very major changes so I'll live without it
(or use my PZ-1p). 

I think the most likely place to see the camera upgraded is in the shutter
mechanism. Higher flash sync and/or faster frame rate.

The MZ-S is probably the 
best built camera you can get new for under 1000 euro...

It's a bargain, no doubt.

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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread kleickly

Greetings and welcome!

You certainly live in a beautiful place.  I've been there several times and 
was overwhelmed by the breathtaking scenery everywhere.  My daughter lives in 
the Pacific NW, so I try to get up to BC whenever I go to visit.  She keeps 
telling me I have to go to Whistler (one of her favorite places), but haven't 
have a chance as yet.

Enjoy the list.  Looking forward to seeing your photos in the PUG.

Kathy L
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PDML UK 2002 - general request

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Hi PDMLers,

Is anyone on the list a member of the offical Pentax Club, with it's 
magazine 'Pentax User'? It's been suggested that perhaps they could get 
involved at the PDML UK 2002 meet, though in what capacity I have not yet 
been approached about.

Someone called Peter Bargh is going to get in touch with me. Comments 
welcome, off list to me if you prefer, address below.

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: Blimp Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Rfsindg

Fred,

From the fit of the case on the K1000 in the picture, I don't think this case 
was meant for a K series body either.  Maybe for the ME/MX/ME Super bodies?

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I've never seen a blimp case, but is this what it looks like?
 
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1351926198
 
 Not actually a Blimp Case (at least not quite like the LX Blimp
 Case, which not only covers over the LX body and a winder, but also
 covers the user's right hand to a little past the wrist), but
 instead it's a Short Soft Case.  (I don't have one for the K-size
 bodies, but I do have the Short Soft Case ME, which I use on an ME
 Super, as my dedicated church camera.)  It's quite a clever
 design, actually.
 
 While a Blimp Case probably cuts down on noise a bit better than a
 Short Soft Case, putting an ME Super inside a Short Soft Case
 results in a quieter rig than putting an LX inside probably a meter
 or two of sound-deadening foam - g.  But I digress...
 
 Fred 
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Re: Tokina 90 f2.5 depth of field lever problems

2002-05-10 Thread Fred

 My Tokina ATX 90 f2.5 macro lens, which I like very much, does not
 always close down when I use the depth of field preview on the LX
 or the PZ1. I have  not explored the problem to any great extent
 but I am wondering if anyone  else has ever experienced this
 problem with this lens or any other Tokina.

I have not had this problem with my AT-X 90/2.5 Macro, either with
or without the 1:1 Macro Extender.

Do you get the same results with the adapter attached as without?

Fred
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Re: Blimp Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Fred

 From the fit of the case on the K1000 in the picture, I don't
 think this case was meant for a K series body either. Maybe for
 the ME/MX/ME Super bodies?

I don't think so, Bob.  I ~do~ think it is intended to be used on a
K body.

There is a photo and description of a Short Soft Case in the
Asahi Pentax K Series Lenses and Accessories (from the mid-70's)
booklets that I have.  (The description is exactly the same as used
later with the separate MX and ME Short Soft Cases.)

The material the case is made of in the auction photos appear to be
the same as I've seen in some other K era (and earlier) body cases.
At the same time, the material does not appear to be similar to what
has been used in M era body cases (including the Soft Case EM that I
have).

As for the fit, I don't think the seller has the case on exactly
right, although the only problem I see is that the viewfinder window
is partially hidden by the way the seller installed the cover.  The
rest of the fit seems OK to me (at least it seems comparable to what
I have on my ME version (that I am using on an ME Super).

I think that an ME (etc.) or an MX would be swimming if put into
that case, which fits the K1000 fairly well (if installed slightly
askew).

Fred
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Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Artur Ledchowski

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From what know there are less then 10 people from Poland. 

 Yes:) There is quite a lot of us here:)) I'm from Warsaw:)

Guess it would be kind of nice if we could get together for some 
shooting somehow.

Cheers
Maciej

That's a great idea, Maciek:) Count me in! We may start a disscussion on the location 
of the Polish PDML Meeting:)
BTW, does any of you Poles take part in Polish Internet galleries like FotoTok, Plfoto 
or Onephoto?
Greetz
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Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Artur Ledchowski

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Yes, that would be something really nice. The only problem is to find date
equally good for everyone. But we should think about it! BTW I live in
Warsaw and thought about visiting Kazimierz Dolny - really beatiful place
for taking lot's of photos - especially during spring (my 1/2 has been there
- I haven't yet :-)
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Sylwester Pietrzyk

So you live in Warsaw?:) So do I. Where exactly do you live?
As for Kazimierz - I've already been there several times lately:) The Polish Internet 
gallery FotoTok, in which I take part, organized meetings there. Such a meeting is 
taking place there this 
weekend, too, starting from today's evening:)) But there's a nice restaurant in 
Kazimierz, called U Fryzjera. They serve delicious Jewish food :))
Greetz
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For sale: Sigma 28-135 AF zoom

2002-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts

This is going on eBay this weekend but I'd like to offer it to The List
first.

It's the Sigma 28-135 f3.8-5.6 zoom. An excellent do-it-all lens: Even has
a macro mode that gets you to 1:2 (half life-size) magnification. I bought
this lens to replace my old Tamron 28-200 and found the Sigma quite superior,
but now I use my Tokina 28-70 f2.6-2.8 so much the Sigma doesn't see the
light of day enough for me to justify keeping it. It's in absolutely perfect
condition, with front  rear caps, hood, box, packing, warranty card and
all instructions. 

I'm also including a Hoya multicoated UV filter and a Tamron lens cap (I
buy Tamron lens caps for all my lenses; they're well made and easy to remove
and install even with a lens hood attached). You can have the original Sigma
lens cap as well.

BH sells this lens for $189.00 and I'll sell my mint one for $110.00 including
shipping (in the U.S.)


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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 10:37  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  I like making larger proof prints though.  5x7 is about as small as I'd
 care to make, although the full-frame on an 8x10 is more satisfactory.

Amen.  Last time I made a print smaller than 8x10 of my own work was 
November, when I made little teeny prints to take with me over my 
Christmas holiday to give to our numerous hosts...I didn't want to be 
carting framed 11x14s or even 8x10s in my carry-on luggage, so I made 
3x5s and framed 'em in neat little 5x7 frames.  If we had been going by 
car, they'd have 11x14s or maybe 16x20s if we had the space.  :)

-Aaron
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For sale: P50 P30T

2002-05-10 Thread Alan Abbott

I have been 'ordered' ...ouch sorry 'asked' to reduce the number of cameras
I have .
So as I do not use these two any more they are for sale.
Condition is what I would call good/very good (minor scratches,fully working
etc).
I have a couple of non 'fully working' Ricoh KR10's plus winder to go as
well.
If anyone is interested in any of the above, please contact me off list
and I will provide more details and pictures etc.
I am based in the UK but will ship to any where in the world.
My Email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alan
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Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Artur Ledóchowski wrote:
 As for Kazimierz - I've already been there several times lately:) The Polish 
Internet gallery FotoTok, in which I take part, organized meetings there. Such a 
meeting is taking place there this
 weekend, too, starting from today's evening:)) But there's a nice restaurant in 
Kazimierz, called U Fryzjera. They serve delicious Jewish food :))

Is there any undelicious (Polish) food in Poland?  Is this
Kazimierz, Krakow, or is Kazimierz a standard name for Jewish
quarters?  If there is to be a PLPDML meet, I would like to
attend.  My next likely visit (to the Krakow area but I would be
prepared to travel) is going to be late summer.  Keep this
discussion on list ..

Off now for the weekend.  Do zobaczenia,

mike
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eBay funnies...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Yep - a genuine Oscillerscope (sic), obviously used to check the 
frequency response of those chemicals. You simply dip one probe into a 
tray, you hold the other, then you switch it all on...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1351048616

Cotty

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Odp: Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Maciej Marchlewski

Dnia 10-05-2002 o godz. 15:19 Artur Ledchowski napisal:
 That's a great idea, Maciek:) Count me in! We may start a 
disscussion on the location of the Polish PDML Meeting:)

I guess, that due to the fact that most of the Polish PDML-ers 
are from Warsaw it would be easiest to do a meeting there. But 
I'm open to every other idea.

 BTW, does any of you Poles take part in Polish Internet 
galleries like FotoTok, Plfoto or Onephoto?

I show a few pics on plfoto.com but more of my pics are on 
website.

Cheers

Maciej

www.kajko.wdb.pl



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Re: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread dick graham

Pal, have you heard anything about when we can expect an updated MZ/ZX-5n, 
MZ-3?

DG


At 11:07 AM 5/10/02 +0200, you wrote:
Isn't the MZ-3 discontinued?



The MZ-3 was originally intended for the Japanese domestic market only where
they were going to sell the MZ-5 and the MZ-3, but not the MZ-5N. The -5N
was meant for export. Pentax Corp. in the US made the decision not to sell
the MZ-3 in the US because of the price. This was a sales/marketing
decision. However, because of the number of requests from European
distributors, Pentax Europe added the MZ-3 to their stock assortment -
selling it (initially) as a kit with the 43mm.
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Re: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Dick wrote:


Pal, have you heard anything about when we can expect an updated MZ/ZX-5n,
MZ-3?


I haven't heard anything and frankly don't expect to. I guess it's 
reasonable to expect an MZ-5n/MZ-3 replacement but then the MZ-5n is a 
camera that could stay long in the line-up. Perhaps the main reason for an 
upgrade will be compatibility with the new flashes and remote releases.

Pål
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Re: eBay funnies...

2002-05-10 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Cotty wrote:
 
 Yep - a genuine Oscillerscope (sic), 
 
 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1351048616

It looks like it might be a Unilab kit construction.  I (or
rather my employer) have most of one of these.  Just unimportant
things like the case not ordered...  If anyone acquires this and
needs bits, I can probably assist.

m
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Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Artur Ledchowski

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I guess, that due to the fact that most of the Polish PDML-ers 
are from Warsaw it would be easiest to do a meeting there. But 
I'm open to every other idea.
Cheers

Maciej

www.kajko.wdb.pl

I'm not sure if most of the Polish PDML-ers are from Warsaw, but if the meeting is 
organized in this city, the we can meet in the Rybie Oko pub. It's name (Fish Eye 
for those, who don't 
speak Polish) speaks for itself:)) - it's actualy a photographic pub with a pretty 
nice atmosphere: old cameras hanging on the walls, photo exhibitions, the bar 
iluminated by light coming from 
enlargers (Krokus 3 AFAIR):)). Beer (Tyskie, Lech) is at a reasonable price. The pub 
is located in the very center of the Warsaw - in one of the Poniatowskiego Bridge 
pillars on the left Vistula 
bank:)
Greetz
Artur



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OT: After the wedding

2002-05-10 Thread Bruce Dayton

To those of you who shoot weddings,

I'm curious as to how/what you present to the couple after the wedding
is complete.  I have been doing proof books with 4X5 prints in them.
For my own portfolio I have been getting 8X10's done.

The odd thing is, that most people really have a tough time
envisioning an 8X10 when looking at a proof.  So if/when I show them
some 8X10's the comments give you the feeling that it is an entirely
different shot.  It would be costly to basically proof at 8X10, but
maybe that is the best way to go?

Any other ideas or experiences out there?

Thanks,


 Bruce Dayton
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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread James Adams

Scott
Good Morning , and welcome to the group. I live in Richmond, BC, so It's
great to have another PDML'r in the area. BTW what equipment do you use?
James
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Re[2]: Odp: Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Alin Flaider

   Hi Artur,

   If it's not the Friday syndrome, then this must be the message of
   the week! Great place, I sure booked it if I ever go to Warsaw. Are
   you sure you told us all? Didn't you omit something like

D'you have a camera? Sorry Sir, you're not allowed in without a
camera... Digital you said? Please, Sir! Try DigiGeek across the
street!

   ;o)

   Servus, Alin


Artur wrote:
AL I'm not sure if most of the Polish PDML-ers are from Warsaw, but
AL if the meeting is organized in this city, the we can meet in the
AL Rybie Oko pub. It's name (Fish Eye for those, who don't speak
AL Polish) speaks for itself:)) - it's actualy a photographic pub
AL with a pretty nice atmosphere: old cameras hanging on the walls,
AL photo exhibitions, the bar iluminated by light coming from
AL enlargers (Krokus 3 AFAIR):)). Beer (Tyskie, Lech) is at a
AL reasonable price. The pub is located in the very center of the
AL Warsaw - in one of the Poniatowskiego Bridge pillars on the left
AL Vistula bank:)
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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Ron Bhanukitsiri

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MZ3_fella _
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)


The MZ-3 was originally intended for the Japanese domestic market only
where
they were going to sell the MZ-5 and the MZ-3, but not the MZ-5N. The -5N
was meant for export. Pentax Corp. in the US made the decision not to sell
the MZ-3 in the US because of the price. This was a sales/marketing
decision. However, because of the number of requests from European
distributors, Pentax Europe added the MZ-3 to their stock assortment -
selling it (initially) as a kit with the 43mm.

Pat
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I've always been puzzled by some of Pentax global marketing decision.  Why
not just
simply import MZ-3 into the US when the MZ-5 was going to be replaced.
Simpler
marketing and production model, one manufacturing line (i.e. why the
difference
in the shutter).

Ron B[ee]
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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Ron Bhanukitsiri

-Original Message-

I haven't heard anything and frankly don't expect to. I guess it's
reasonable to expect an MZ-5n/MZ-3 replacement but then the MZ-5n is a
camera that could stay long in the line-up. Perhaps the main reason for an
upgrade will be compatibility with the new flashes and remote releases.

Pål
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I'm hoping that this speculative upgrade would bump up the X sync speed
to 1/125 as well as illuminated external LCD panel.  The 1/100 reminds
me too much of the very original ME.

Ron B[ee]
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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Brendan

Actually the timer would be cool. and are those peal
scissors lol. I have a simple 2 blade LPL ( sanders )
easel for now, cheap and works.

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yep!
 
 Hey, Weren't you asking about easels a few months
 ago?  Perhaps the
 Speed Ez El might be a good addition to your
 darkroom.
 
 I'm sorry about showing off, but, since I don't
 have a 6x7 I was
 feeling inferior.  Until I get a medium format
 camera my self esteem
 will remain low, and tooting my horn a little about
 the darkroom is
 about all I can do.
 
 Wanna see a picture of my timer?  Or the scissors I
 use to trim the
 film?
 
 Brendan wrote:
  
  Showoff!! :-)
 
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RE: After the wedding

2002-05-10 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton


 I'm curious as to how/what you present to the couple after
 the wedding
 is complete.  I have been doing proof books with 4X5 prints in them.
 For my own portfolio I have been getting 8X10's done.

Proofs are 4x6's, 4x5's and 4x4's in a book, or I have them scanned:

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/burke/
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/teschke/
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/cooper/

No, I still haven't found a truly satisfactory way to scan b+w.


 The odd thing is, that most people really have a tough time
 envisioning an 8X10 when looking at a proof.  So if/when I show them
 some 8X10's the comments give you the feeling that it is an entirely
 different shot.  It would be costly to basically proof at 8X10, but
 maybe that is the best way to go?

Um, no, unless you build that into your cost, which would seem to
unnecessarily drive up your price. You want to raise your prices and
lower your costs;)

I've never had the problem you're having, and I suppose it's because
from the first time I meet with clients, I let them know they'll be
buying big prints. From the start, they assume it. Obviously that's
what I show them too.

If you talk like someone who thinks a 5x7 is a teeny little proof
(like the bigshot medFo photographer you are), your clients will start
to think the same way. You're the expert, they'll assume you know what
you're doing, they'll trust your decisions.

Another thing to think about is possibly setting up your pricing
structure so that you get paid for your time, not your ability to card
negs and go to the lab. In other words, make your money up front
instead of relying on reprints or albums.

Another option would be to sell the album up front as a package.

tv
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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Welcome, Scott.
You'll enjoy this group.
It's colorful.  (Or is that colourful?)



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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread gfen

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Ron Bhanukitsiri wrote:
 I'm hoping that this speculative upgrade would bump up the X sync speed
 to 1/125 as well as illuminated external LCD panel.  The 1/100 reminds
 me too much of the very original ME.

It bothers me, and I don't understand, why 1/100 isn't located on the
shutter dial between 1/60 and 1/125.

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Re: Tokina 90 f2.5 depth of field lever problems

2002-05-10 Thread Pentxuser

Fred I just did a complete test of all my cameras with and without the macro 
converter. 95 per cent of the time there is no problem. Every once in a while 
it doesn't seem to catch. It could be me. I'll keep checking it and report 
back.
What cameras are you using it on
vic
In a message dated 5/10/02 7:23:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 My Tokina ATX 90 f2.5 macro lens, which I like very much, does not
 always close down when I use the depth of field preview on the LX
 or the PZ1. I have  not explored the problem to any great extent
 but I am wondering if anyone  else has ever experienced this
 problem with this lens or any other Tokina.

I have not had this problem with my AT-X 90/2.5 Macro, either with
or without the 1:1 Macro Extender.

Do you get the same results with the adapter attached as without?
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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Brendan

1/100 is 1/2 stop between the 2 and there is no room
on the dial, so just use X instead.

--- gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2002, Ron Bhanukitsiri wrote:
  I'm hoping that this speculative upgrade would
 bump up the X sync speed
  to 1/125 as well as illuminated external LCD
 panel.  The 1/100 reminds
  me too much of the very original ME.
 
 It bothers me, and I don't understand, why 1/100
 isn't located on the
 shutter dial between 1/60 and 1/125.
 
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RE: Odp: Re: Odp: Polacy na PDML (was Re: )

2002-05-10 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk

That would be nice. I've never been there.
Regards,
Lukasz

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I guess, that due to the fact that most of the Polish PDML-ers
are from Warsaw it would be easiest to do a meeting there. But
I'm open to every other idea.
Cheers

Maciej

www.kajko.wdb.pl

I'm not sure if most of the Polish PDML-ers are from Warsaw, but if the
meeting is organized in this city, the we can meet in the Rybie Oko pub.
It's name (Fish Eye for those, who don't
speak Polish) speaks for itself:)) - it's actualy a photographic pub with a
pretty nice atmosphere: old cameras hanging on the walls, photo exhibitions,
the bar iluminated by light coming from
enlargers (Krokus 3 AFAIR):)). Beer (Tyskie, Lech) is at a reasonable price.
The pub is located in the very center of the Warsaw - in one of the
Poniatowskiego Bridge pillars on the left Vistula
bank:)
Greetz
Artur



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Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

I just got my first roll of 120 Fuji Reala @100 iso back from the shop. 
Jumping Jehosaphat, they're gorgeous.

Right away I can see exactly what The Brotherhood are on about. The 
larger image size is simply no comparison to 35mm, and mine are only a 
puny 6X4.5 g although it would be nice if they were shot with a Pentax, 
I confess they weren't, and so I won't mention the equipment that was 
used.

However, I would imagine that I won't upset anyone much if I collect my 
thoughts on the use of medium format - or should that be Medium Format?

The first thing that struck me was that every one of the 15 images I shot 
was completely usable. My own composition notwithstanding, each exposure 
had been carefully set up on the tripod (they are all landscapes made at 
a lake a few minute's walk from where I live) and maximum aperture 
selected (f/22 in this case), using auto exposure (to make sure it all 
works properly: first roll through the camera), and firing the shutter 
with a cable release.

Because I only took the one roll, and so only had 15 exposures to make, 
it channelled my mind into a considered approach. Each frame was assessed 
by basically wandering about, seeing a scene, holding the camera/tripod 
assembly up to my eye to look at it through the viewfinder, getting a 
visual confirmation through the viewfinder that yes, this was indeed a 
very nice image (bulrushes backlit with bright sun for instance), setting 
up the sticks and getting the framing right, exposing the film.

Using the LX would have instead gone something like this: loading a roll, 
instantly wasting 3 or 4 frames as my finger accidentally hits the 
shutter (the drive is set to continuous instead of single), maybe take a 
couple of frames of a nice scene, then some bird (the feathered variety 
;-) catches my eye, and I scramble about swapping lenses, trying to jam 
on the 300mil, all the while checking the bird's progress across the 
lake, rattling off half a dozen frames of my face and the mating lens 
because I didn't set the shutter lock, finally getting the lens on, and 
just as I am bringing it up and scrabble into focusthe bird has 
disappeared behind the reeds. I shoot a couple of frames anyway because 
it feels good. I curse and go back to the wide and the landscapes, this 
time turning the shutter lock collar, but missing on the first attempt 
and firing off 5 frames again for good measure. You should see my 35 mil 
rolls, looks like some sort of demented peep show.

Seriously, my point is that when I went out with the MF camera 
(incidentally with only one 75mm lens, a 50mm due shortly), although I 
saw one or two pretty birds on the water, I wasn't the least bit 
interested in them. Knowing that I couldn't shoot them even if I'd wanted 
to meant that I concentrated on what I was doing, and ignored all else. 
This is the channelling of energies I mentioned earlier.

I haven't enjoyed a local walk with a camera so much for ages.

On the other hand, I can't see myself using the MF for portraits, unless 
they are very formal. The ability of 35mm to capture the young child's 
face staring into a shop window (35mm rangefinder, 40mm, focus guessed, 
shooting from the hip) or a fast moving sports activity (local tennis 
club, LX+drive+70-200) or an available light portrait session (fast 
portrait lens, grainy B+W, Arnold Newman eatyerheartout ;-) still means 
that 35mm will keep a place in my bag for a while yet.

In fact, the more I think about it, I can eventually see my kit bag going 
this way:

*35mm rangefinder for street B+W film as homage to my 19th Century 
photo-heroes,
*DSLR and range of lenses for portraiture/family/everything,
*MF with standard and wide for considered landscapes.

If I want good quality, which I would like for the landscapes, the MF 
wins. If I want spontaneity and speed in portraiture, instant access for 
the family/everything else, digital will win over 35mm (for me). And if I 
want to go and be Jeanloup Sieff and capture a bum in the sun (and I 
don't mean a hobo ;-) and then feel the nostalgia of putting some mono 
through the soup, there's nothing like 35mm.

Shooting the MF has had quite an interesting effect on me...

Cheers,

Cotty

PS - see, I *can* be serious :-)

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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Hi Scott,

Welcome aboard.

If you've been reading it for a while, you won't need telling that it's a 
very good bunch of people here. It's even better contributing, cos all of 
a sudden the most amazing range of opinions come plopping into your In 
Box and you soon find yourself sat more getting a typing RSI instead of 
'Winder's Finger' or 'Finder's Eye' :-)

Enjoy.

Cotty
I've just joined the PDML.  I've been reading it for a little while, but now
I decided to take the plunge.  I live in Vancouver, BC, and I've only been
doing photography for just under a year.  I'm also an avid mountaineer, rock
climber and backcountry skier, so most of my photography tends to be very
outdoor oriented.  If anyone is interested in seeing some of my work, I've a
a few photos up on www.bivouac.com, a canadian mountaineering website.  You
will have to join the site as a member to see them though.  I'm looking
forward to hearing from all of you, especially those in the Vancouver area.

- -Scott


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Re: eBay funnies...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

It looks like it might be a Unilab kit construction.  I (or
rather my employer) have most of one of these.  Just unimportant
things like the case not ordered...  If anyone acquires this and
needs bits, I can probably assist.

Mike, you mean this really is for darkroom useage???

What in Percival's name is it for?

Cotty

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KX Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Camdir

Does it exist?

I feel sure that the K1000 case will not fit due to the protuberances 
although the body is essentially the same shape.

Kind regards

Peter
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

maximum aperture 
selected (f/22 in this case)

OOPS - of course this should read 'minimum' aperture. But you know what I 
meant...

Cotty

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Re: eBay auction

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Brogden

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Rupprecht, James R wrote:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1352079926
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1352080093

 Can a few of you take a look at these auctions (and other items and seller
 history) and see if you get the same feelings?

I'm not sure what feeling you're expecting.  It's pretty obvious that he's
burning songs onto CD's and selling them, which is probably illegal,
though eBay hasn't seemed to call him on it yet.  His LX looks like it's
in good cosmetic shape, but I'd ask him about sticky mirror and and his
return policy before bidding.  If you're wondering how far you can trust
someone who regularly sells illegal CD's... that's your call.  :)

chris
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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Brendan ... here's the timer:

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/timer.jpg

I've a two blade Bogen or Saunders easel, and I like it a lot.  The
bigger, four-bladed Saunders is sometimes slow and cumbersome to use,
but ideal under certain circumstances.  

Brendan wrote:
 
 Actually the timer would be cool. and are those peal
 scissors lol. I have a simple 2 blade LPL ( sanders )
 easel for now, cheap and works.

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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread William Kane

If I remember right, you can buy pinhole caps from someone . . . somehow
Porters rings a bell, but I may be wrong.

IL Bill

Bill D. Casselberry wrote:
 
  Shel wrote:
 
  When photographing in Pinhole Mode does one use a body cap or a lens
  with a lens cap with a pinhole in it?  It seems that the LX would be an
  excellent choice for pinhole photography.
 
 Body cap  -  lots of interesting pinhole stuff on the web!
 Must burnish and blacken the tiny hole - no microscopic
 jagged edges or reflectives.
 
 Bill
 
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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Tim Engel

Either.   Pinhole diameter and distance from the film plane determine
aperture and focal length.   So you can use a body cap for a short focal
length.   Or you can use a lens cap on extension tubes (not on a lens) for
longer focal lengths.

A few weeks ago,  I did a Yahoo! search for pinhole photography and  was
surprised by how many sites popped up.   There are sites selling body and
lens caps modified to accept little inserts drilled for different pinhole
diameters.   Just switch inserts to change hole diameters.   Some have
little spring loaded hole covers that you can open manually to make an
exposure.   It was an interesting search.

Regards,
Tim Engel


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Subject: Pinhole Question


 When photographing in Pinhole Mode does one use a body cap or a lens
 with a lens cap with a pinhole in it?  It seems that the LX would be an
 excellent choice for pinhole photography.
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Ricoh XR-X 2000 (Was: Exposure Lock on ME Super?)

2002-05-10 Thread James Adams

Good morning Nitin,
I have been trying to find a manual for the Ricoh XR-X 2000 I picked
yesterday, but can't  find a reference to it in English. The only thing I
found was that an XR-M and XR-X are the same, but nothing on the XR-X 2000.

The XR-X 2000 has the built-in motor drive, multi-exposure, 1/2000 Sec.
Shutter and Auto-bracketing Exposure probably more(without a manual I don't
have a clue). You are right, they do have a nice bright focus screen, and I
also like the built-in winder. Bummer, is no shutter release cable port.

I'm going down to my local camera store to browse through their manuals box,
who knows they might have one. The XR-X 3000 sounds even better!
James
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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Yes.  It's that easy.
And any camera doing TTL metering is fine as long as it's truely center-weighted, 
because of the serious edge fall-off with pinholes.  Also, the LX would be outstanding 
because of its high sensitivity, providing for dim light pinhole exposures that other 
bodies couldn't attain.

The material is fairly important.  Brass seems to be the most popular material.  It's 
easy to work with.  Plastics are ok, but can easily be made out-of-round, having a 
detrimental affect on the image.  Steels work but can be too reflective.

You can take a body cap, drill a hole in the middle of it, and center your pin hole 
over top of it.  Attach it with some dark silicon or really anything dark and 
adhesive.  Just keep it in tight to the cap.  You will probably want to recess it into 
the cap to help with the focus.

The size of the hole can be learned about here: http://www.photo.net/pinhole/pinhole

This could be interesting -- street pinhole photography! :)

Seriously, Shel, you've done some nice work over the time I've been on PDML, and I 
think you should consider an article for one of the industry rags.



From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Pinhole Question 

When photographing in Pinhole Mode does one use a body cap or a lens 
with a lens cap with a pinhole in it?  It seems that the LX would be an 
excellent choice for pinhole photography. 
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Cheers Bruce. I agree with your sentiments exactly. Especially the 
'insurance' shots...

Best,

Cotty

You had me chuckling as you related your experience.  I have had a
similar experience with MF.  There certainly does seem to be a mindset
difference when you use the bigger camera.  I enjoy it more and yes,
more of my shots are well executed on MF.  35mm can be too easy to use
and thus it is easy to waste shots or try for shots that you know deep
down won't turn out that well.

I have found that the shorter rolls tend to also make you think just a
bit more.  Fewer insurance shots and just a bit more care to take
the proper shot in the first place.

I think that it is a good idea to use the right tool for the right
situation.  I, too, think there are situations where 35mm is the right
tool over MF (fast action and long lenses come to mind), but after
looking at those big negs and subsequent blowups, you have to admit,
there is a large difference in the quality.

Good luck as you build up your kit.  I have found that I don't
need/want quite as many lenses (all relative you know!) for the big
camera.  The negative gives you a little more working room.


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Re: Photographica

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Photographica Specials

One only 31mm Black Limited £699 cash only

LX Leather Case (new) damaged box £50

Free ( yes, you read it here first) Tiffen 49mm UV Filter for every visitor 
to our tables.

What else?

Peter

Pentax vinyl skirts?

LOL.

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Glad everything worked out Cotty.I know what
you mean about setting up to shot a scene.I am
only using a lowly Y-M with fixed lens,but i approach
my MF shooting a bit different.Seem to take more
time and think the shot out more.I just got back
a roll of Agfa rsx slide film,i also did a wow.

Cheers Dave. I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what 
would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

Cotty



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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread gfen

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chris Brogden wrote:
 So you need the MZ-5g, with shutter speeds from 1/100 and up.  In that
 case, they could probably mark them in half-stops on the dial for you.  :)

No,no, I'm American I have to hold off for the ZX version. :)

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RE: KX Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts

Does it exist?

I feel sure that the K1000 case will not fit due to the protuberances 
although the body is essentially the same shape.

Well I *know* that a case was made for the KM, and I expect the protuberances
are about the same.
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Re: MZ-Sn petition?

2002-05-10 Thread Pat White

Waddya mean, dump the MZ-5n and bring in the MZ-3?  In several markets (Canada and 
Britain, at least), both cameras are available.  The MZ-3 is different from the 5n, 
but it's not really an upgrade.  For my shooting, at least, the 2-second shutter speed 
is needed more often the than the 1/4000 second, which is the main difference between 
the two cameras.

As for upgrades, the MZ-5 was missing a few essentials, like DOF preview and AE lock, 
so the 5n really filled a need.  With the MZ-S, on the other hand, you have a camera 
which is pretty complete in every way.  The features, ergonomics and, in particular, 
the build quality, are all I could ask for.  Well, maybe the lettering on the controls 
could be engraved instead of silk-screened, but that shows you how close to ideal the 
camera already is.  In my opinion, at least.

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Re: Ricoh XR-X 2000 (Was: Exposure Lock on ME Super?)

2002-05-10 Thread Nitin Garg

a good place for info on ricoh 35mm slrs is:

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/

forum is:
http://www.ricoh-cameras.co.uk/forum/

check mike butkus's site. If 2 ricoh camera's look similar they very
likely have same way of operating. So if you cant find a manual, simply
look for a similar looking model there and see if features listed for it
are supported by your camera :)

Dont go by their model numbering tho. XR-M is much better than XR-10M :)

cheers,
nitin

On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 10:29:11AM -0700, James Adams wrote:
 Good morning Nitin,
 I have been trying to find a manual for the Ricoh XR-X 2000 I picked
 yesterday, but can't  find a reference to it in English. The only thing I
 found was that an XR-M and XR-X are the same, but nothing on the XR-X 2000.
 
 The XR-X 2000 has the built-in motor drive, multi-exposure, 1/2000 Sec.
 Shutter and Auto-bracketing Exposure probably more(without a manual I don't
 have a clue). You are right, they do have a nice bright focus screen, and I
 also like the built-in winder. Bummer, is no shutter release cable port.
 
 I'm going down to my local camera store to browse through their manuals box,
 who knows they might have one. The XR-X 3000 sounds even better!
 James
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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Johan Schoone

Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When photographing in Pinhole Mode does one use a body cap or a lens
 with a lens cap with a pinhole in it?  It seems that the LX would be an
 excellent choice for pinhole photography.

Most likely with a body cap. You may want to use extension tubes or
bellows. Wow! A pinhole camera with zoom capability.
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Re: KX Case?

2002-05-10 Thread Fred

 The KX, KM, K1000 and all Spotmatics will share cases.   The K2
 and K2DMD will slip into the other cases, but they have a slightly
 different tripod socket location, so the case screw doesn't align
 body socket.

Actually, the proper case for a K2 or K2DMD is not the generic K (or
Spotmatic) cases, but is a dedicated K2 case.  In the K2, the lens
mount is further offset toward the right (looking at the front of
the body), and the K2 case is tailored to match.

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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff

 Tim Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Either.   Pinhole diameter and distance from the film plane determine
aperture and focal length.   So you can use a body cap for a short focal
length.   Or you can use a lens cap on extension tubes (not on a lens) 
for longer focal lengths.

OK, if I understand what you're saying, regardless of whether you use a 
lens cap or a body cap, a lens is not used.  Why wouldn't a cap with a 
tiny hole, placed over a lens, work?

A few weeks ago,  I did a Yahoo! search for pinhole photography and 
 was surprised by how many sites popped up.   There are sites selling 
body and lens caps modified to accept little inserts drilled for different 
pinhole diameters.   Just switch inserts to change hole diameters.  
Some have little spring loaded hole covers that you can open manually to
make an exposure.   It was an interesting search.

TYhanks.  I'll poke around a little.  Calumet has body caps laser drilled for 
pinhole work.

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RE: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

A body cap.
Lukasz

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When photographing in Pinhole Mode does one use a body cap or a lens
with a lens cap with a pinhole in it?  It seems that the LX would be an
excellent choice for pinhole photography.
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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Ron Bhanukitsiri

I would be a lot easier to have 1/125 X sync.  This way the X
can just be marked besides 1/125 and I don't have to twist the
dial unsequentially to the 1/100 X.  This is exactly how the
K2 and K2DMD was designed.

Ron B[ee]

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On Fri, 10 May 2002, gfen wrote:

 I just tend to not want to go below 1/100 for fear of shake, and it
 would be much easier for me.. but just me, I suppose. :)

So you need the MZ-5g, with shutter speeds from 1/100 and up.  In that
case, they could probably mark them in half-stops on the dial for you.  :)

chris
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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Brendan

DROOL!!! nice timer :-)

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Brendan ... here's the timer:
 

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/timer.jpg
 
 I've a two blade Bogen or Saunders easel, and I like
 it a lot.  The
 bigger, four-bladed Saunders is sometimes slow and
 cumbersome to use,
 but ideal under certain circumstances.  
 
 Brendan wrote:
  
  Actually the timer would be cool. and are those
 peal
  scissors lol. I have a simple 2 blade LPL (
 sanders )
  easel for now, cheap and works.
 
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Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT

2002-05-10 Thread Bill Owens

I'll go first (hanging my head in shame)

I've purchased a Kiev 60.  In my research on whether or not to get the
thing, I've been reading the Kiev forum.  Lo and behold, I've come across a
couple of other regular PDML'ers over there (who will remain anonymous for
their protection).

My question is; How many of you will confess to owning and/or using either
the K60 or the K88?

Actually, I think I got lucky and got a decent one.

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RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

2002-05-10 Thread Brendan

th MZ-3 has both X and 1/125, you can use either.

--- Ron Bhanukitsiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would be a lot easier to have 1/125 X sync.  This
 way the X
 can just be marked besides 1/125 and I don't have to
 twist the
 dial unsequentially to the 1/100 X.  This is exactly
 how the
 K2 and K2DMD was designed.
 
 Ron B[ee]
 
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 Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:49 AM
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 Subject: RE: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)
 
 
 On Fri, 10 May 2002, gfen wrote:
 
  I just tend to not want to go below 1/100 for fear
 of shake, and it
  would be much easier for me.. but just me, I
 suppose. :)
 
 So you need the MZ-5g, with shutter speeds from
 1/100 and up.  In that
 case, they could probably mark them in half-stops on
 the dial for you.  :)
 
 chris
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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Wow is right!  Your comment just got me thinking about the possibility
of using the helicoid extension tube with a pre-drilled body cap. 
Infinitely variable focal lengths without the hassle of a bellows, which
is bigger, bulkier, and more difficult to zoom. The helicoid will
extend and retract just like focusing a lens. What a nifty idea.

I don't have a clue as to what the view through the finder would be with
a pinhole cap in place of the lens, but maybe I'll just drill a tiny
hole in a cheap cap just to see the effect.  Has anyone used a pinhole
cap on a Pentax?  Can you see the image in the finder?

Johan Schoone wrote:

 Most likely with a body cap. You may want to use extension tubes or
 bellows. Wow! A pinhole camera with zoom capability.

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Re: Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT

2002-05-10 Thread gfen

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Bill Owens wrote:
 I'll go first (hanging my head in shame)

:)

 I've purchased a Kiev 60.  In my research on whether or not to get the
 thing, I've been reading the Kiev forum.  Lo and behold, I've come across a
 couple of other regular PDML'ers over there (who will remain anonymous for
 their protection).

I'd be one those people. I'd say I'm not proud, but hey, I'm abou getting
the best I can for the money I spend. I thought about a Kiev MF camera
after I had such pleasing results with my Zenitar 16mm lens.

 My question is; How many of you will confess to owning and/or using either
 the K60 or the K88?

Well, I want a P67, but alas, it looks like my ringbuyer bailed on me, and
that cash isn't going to happen. I might be going down teh K60 route,
after all.

Which is a shame, I really wanted something in 6x7.. sigh.


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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff

As you might have been able to figure out, the timer goes to 99.9
seconds and can be controlled in .1 second increments.  My only
objection to it is that it's not audible.

They are sometimes found on eBay for a reasonable price compared to
other, better known brands, with similar capabilities.

Brendan wrote:
 
 DROOL!!! nice timer :-)
 
 --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Brendan ... here's the timer:
 
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/timer.jpg

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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Shel Belinkoff wondered:
 I don't have a clue as to what the view through the finder would be with
 a pinhole cap in place of the lens, 

Dim.

Visible, yes, but thank goodness one needn't focus with a pinhole!

(Haven't gotten a really sharp image from a pinhole yet.  Figure
my pinholes are too large, too small, or not perfectly round, so
far, and sooner or later I'll have to spring for one made by 
somebody else.  Super Program can handle a pinhole in Really Bright
conditions, but I'm sure an LX would work much better.)

BTW, if you punch five pinholes near each other in a star pattern,
you'll get your image repeated in the same pattern.  If you make
your own pinholes, experiment with stuff like that.  :-)

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Re: Perfect Proof Prints

2002-05-10 Thread Brendan

I always loose out on the Ebay timers, I won't bid
past $112 Cad since thats the cost of a new one here,
so far I've been ok with a stop watch that glows in
the dark but I quickly getting to the point that a
timer is a must. 70 ( successful ) prints and counting
and 18 rolls developed in just over a month. The last
4 being near perfect ( not over developed and grainy
as the first 10 ). Now I'm playing with tonners.

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As you might have been able to figure out, the timer
 goes to 99.9
 seconds and can be controlled in .1 second
 increments.  My only
 objection to it is that it's not audible.
 
 They are sometimes found on eBay for a reasonable
 price compared to
 other, better known brands, with similar
 capabilities.
 
 Brendan wrote:
  
  DROOL!!! nice timer :-)
  
  --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   Hi Brendan ... here's the timer:
  
  
 

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/timer.jpg
 
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Timers (Was Re: Perfect Proof Prints )

2002-05-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

I've recently looked inside a couple of your basic dial type, non-mechanical timers.  
I couldn't believe the simplicity, but it made real good sense who they're built.

For anyone who has a Radio Shack near by, all you'll need is (1) 555 timer IC, (2) 
Relay, dpdt, (3) a box (4) appropriate switchs  knobs  sockets, (5) a capacitor or 
two (6) a bunch of resistors, (7) a board to mount the circuit onto.

The basic design is inside a little book you can get at RS as well -- designing around 
555 timers. 

With specific resistor/capacitor combinations you get predictable time delays.  Switch 
between resistors and increase or decrease the time dealy.

For anyone interested in experimenting or a fun hobby project, one of these would be 
an excellent project.

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Re: Ricoh XR-X 2000 (Was: Exposure Lock on ME Super?)

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The Ricoh XRX-2000 is the same as the Ricoh KR-10M.

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Re[2]: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Bruce Dayton

Tom,

When choosing between 645n and 67II, I got the feeling that if I had
gone the 645 route, I would probably shoot more frames like I do in
35mm because of the speed of winding, AF and more frames per roll.  Do
you think if you were shooting the 67 that you would still blast
away or slow it down a bit?


Bruce



Friday, May 10, 2002, 10:03:58 AM, you wrote:


t This seems to be a common experience with medFo, but it's not mine. I
t have 14 rolls of 120 waiting to get processed...I tend to blast away
t just like I do with 35mm.

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Portrait of a Frog

2002-05-10 Thread andre

Since march, I kind of slip a comment here and there without having 
presented myself until now.  (My english is kind of slippery too.)  I 
live in Quebec City.  I've been on Pentax since '83.

I began with my father's Contaflex some years before and found 
myself, a young anthropology student, travelling with 2 Canonets in 
'82 when I met a hometown guy who recommended an MX as an eventual 
SLR, a small impressive camera, he could have said.  From there my 
mind was set on this one.  While in  southern Mexico (good to feel 
warm weather in january...), a sudden currency devaluation cut all 
prices in two (for us).  So I could afford the 2 most common 
non-normal M lenses (28mm  135mm) - found in a small town ! - 
knowing I would get a MX body as soon as possible.  I went to New 
York at spring time to see museums and get a cheap MX. Prices were in 
display so I first went into that store where the price was the 
lowest and told the seller that I noted his price on the MX was 
surprisingly low.  The guy went mad (thought I was implying something 
unclear about his merchandise) and almost kicked my ass to 
immediately get me out of his store.  Welcome New York !  (Paris is 
almost as bad... not Len of course).  I finally got a body for 130$ 
if I remember well.  Found a new old stock M 50/1.4 in Quebec and I 
was set for a love story that would last and last until now...

Who's got the time to read all that?  I'll go faster and drop the 
romantic part.

As I found SMC Takumar cheaper and easier to get, I switched to these 
and eventually acquired a bunch of them but in real nomadic life used 
most of the time a 28mm, a 55mm and a 100mm macro (the best lens I've 
ever had).  Put on MXs, Spotmatics or a combination of both (always 2 
bodies: chrome + BW).

Today I do it with LXs and K lenses if in town (classic progression 
of focals: 24mm, 35mm, 50-55mm, 85m, 135mm, 200mm, 300mm) or M lenses 
if travelling (steeper progression: 28, 50, 100 mac, 200 ; thinking 
about trying super-lite hiking kit 20, 40, 85 + K6-2X + achromatic 
close-up lens + reverse ring + AF-200T off body + reflector, table 
tripod).

I'm not a professionnal photographer.  I've taken mostly Kodachrome 
and Kodak BW and mostly while travelling (Latin America).  I'm 
beginning to feed some to a Coolscan  print on an Epson 1200 with 
MIS inks and... (I feel wiziwiged...) I'm very very far from some 
Cibachromes I did one day.  For the last three years I did mostly 
portraits of local live musicians on Tri-X.

Having collected much documentation on Pentax stuff, I was able to 
collaborate with Boz for some time.  I've read good parts of the 
Pentax (old) archives (I'd like so much to have a copy of it...) but 
stopped reading a year ago being too busy with depression.  (I'm back 
on my feet, cameras on my back.)

I have a good superficial knowledge of Pentax manual focus era 
equipment (not Asahiflex though) but would like to identify better 
the optical character of Asahi lenses I meet.  I plan to do some 
real-life matches between a number of lenses (taking the same photo 
with 2 or more lenses, in a row).  Bokeh is important to me, also 
color balance, contrast  flare resistance and vignetting.  I still 
don't know how to put JPEGs on the WEB to show some results... what a 
shame...

For example, I compared an old Takumar 200/3.5 (I read that in the 
sixties, some Nikoners of that era had this lens modified to fit 
their F cameras because it was faster than Nikon's) with Pentax-M 
200/4.  I scan the slides at 2700dpi with color stable Coolscan (6 
multi-pass with Vuescan) and check details.  Have Pentax done better 
with the M lens, 20 years later ?  I'd say yes and no...  Optical 
performance (drawn from ONE light situation, one f-stop ; no bokeh 
comparison, no low-contrast shot or flare-prone situation etc.) is 
practically the same BUT! ...M-lens is much smaller and lighter.  In 
a corner, I could see the M lens does have a little bit more 
contrast, maybe because of lower internal reflections due to SMC, I 
don't know.  Color balance is identical.

Some of you will laugh at this exercice. I do take photos mostly for 
fun and don't care about the optical character of a lens when i use 
it.  But I think I  might find something comparing lenses in 
real-life situations.  I don't know what.  Maybe nothing.  Wow... 
that would be something!

Andre
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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Bob Blakely

The lens will still have to be focused or it will disperse the light to the
photograph's detriment. Further, if you choose an optimum pinhole size, any
lens, however perfect, can only muddy the image further. Besides, what's the
point of pinhole photography if you use a lens? You'd just be doing ordinary
(lens) photography with a really, really small aperture!

Pinhole photography. The only photography with flair, but no flare!

Regards,
Bob...

From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Tim Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Either.   Pinhole diameter and distance from the film plane determine
 aperture and focal length.   So you can use a body cap for a short focal
 length.   Or you can use a lens cap on extension tubes (not on a lens)
 for longer focal lengths.

 OK, if I understand what you're saying, regardless of whether you use a
 lens cap or a body cap, a lens is not used.  Why wouldn't a cap with a
 tiny hole, placed over a lens, work?

 A few weeks ago,  I did a Yahoo! search for pinhole photography and
  was surprised by how many sites popped up.   There are sites selling
 body and lens caps modified to accept little inserts drilled for
different
 pinhole diameters.   Just switch inserts to change hole diameters.
 Some have little spring loaded hole covers that you can open manually to
 make an exposure.   It was an interesting search.

 TYhanks.  I'll poke around a little.  Calumet has body caps laser drilled
for
 pinhole work.
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Re: Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Actually, I checked out the Kiev site yesterday
on advice from a 88cm owner.Its seems you take
a 50/50 chance on a good one.Prices are good though.

Dave


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Re[2]: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Bruce Dayton

Cotty,

For transparency, I personally like Agfa RSX II.  Plenty of punch and
a very neutral palette.

Bruce



Friday, May 10, 2002, 10:27:00 AM, you wrote:

Glad everything worked out Cotty.I know what
you mean about setting up to shot a scene.I am
only using a lowly Y-M with fixed lens,but i approach
my MF shooting a bit different.Seem to take more
time and think the shot out more.I just got back
a roll of Agfa rsx slide film,i also did a wow.

C Cheers Dave. I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what 
C would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

C Cotty



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Re: Pinhole Question

2002-05-10 Thread Johan Schoone

Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Putting a pinhole body cap on extension tubes or bellows.]

 Wow is right!  Your comment just got me thinking about the possibility
 of using the helicoid extension tube with a pre-drilled body cap. 
 Infinitely variable focal lengths without the hassle of a bellows, which
 is bigger, bulkier, and more difficult to zoom. The helicoid will
 extend and retract just like focusing a lens. What a nifty idea.

Danm, I forgot that option.
 
 I don't have a clue as to what the view through the finder would be with
 a pinhole cap in place of the lens, but maybe I'll just drill a tiny
 hole in a cheap cap just to see the effect.  Has anyone used a pinhole
 cap on a Pentax?  Can you see the image in the finder?

Don't expect too much from the viewfinder image. It *will* be very dark,
even on a bright, sunny day. What have you got to lose? Body caps are
not that expensive. Ok, I never tried it, but I did try the DOF preview
(with a MX and the lens stopped down to F22) and the image was hardly
visible.

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Re: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Not sure Cotty.I have only tried the one roll of Agfa
200,but bought 2 rolls of the 100 speed.I shot about
8-9 of dead trees on an old road allowance
and a pond near the farm which i shoot every few
weeks during the different seasons.Even viewing
by eye with trans. in a sleeve holding them up to
my window i can see the bark detail.Colour is very
vivid.Even the SO,who is hard to please(picture wise)
liked them very much.
I think i'll be taking ponds with treeed edges for 
most of them.

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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:27:00 +0100
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...


Glad everything worked out Cotty.I know what
you mean about setting up to shot a scene.I am
only using a lowly Y-M with fixed lens,but i approach
my MF shooting a bit different.Seem to take more
time and think the shot out more.I just got back
a roll of Agfa rsx slide film,i also did a wow.

Cheers Dave. I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - 
what 
would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

Cotty



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RE: Re[2]: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton


 Tom,

 When choosing between 645n and 67II, I got the feeling that if I had
 gone the 645 route, I would probably shoot more frames like I do in
 35mm because of the speed of winding, AF and more frames
 per roll.  Do
 you think if you were shooting the 67 that you would still blast
 away or slow it down a bit?

I guess I'd have to slow down a bit to change film and wind on, but
otherwise, no, I'd still blast away.

I certainly understand the inclination to take your time with each
shot, and to a certain extent it's the same case with the 645n.
However, I fight this inclination when I feel it creeping up - I don't
want to shoot that way all the time. I like to try and keep my
photography loose and spontaneous. In other words, I don't feel that
slowing down makes my photographs any better.

tv
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Sorry,thats what i mean the Agfa RXS II.
I agree with Bruce on this one Cotty.Very
nice colours

Two votes. Any more? :-)

Before it was discontinued, I loved Fujichrome Astia.  Now I shoot a lot 
of Agfachrome RSX.

Aha! Three votes!

Welcome to the land o' big negs, Cotty!  I know that you're still saving 
up for a P67, that you only got this Bronica cuz you're impatient, so 
we'll hold a seat at the table for you in the Brotherhood.

;)

Do I have to bring you some...shrubbery?

8-D

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Re[2]: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

For transparency, I personally like Agfa RSX II.  Plenty of punch and
a very neutral palette.

Bruce

Thanks Bruce, I'll give it a go.

Cheers

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TO William Robb

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Hi Bill,

Just tried to email you and got a failed delivery message. I'll try from 
my hotmail account...

Cotty

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Quasi OT: An incredible experience plus photography

2002-05-10 Thread Joseph Tainter

When I got home from work yesterday my wife showed me that we had a bee
swarm on a tree in our yard. She thought they were looking to establish
a new colony somewhere. It was amazing - about a cubic foot of bees. The
PZ-1p was loaded with Supra 400, so I slipped on the Sigma 70-300 APO,
ran it out to 300 mm. and switched it to macro mode (goes to 1:2). Then
I proceeded to shoot from several feet away. It was already too dark for
ISO 400, though, so off I ran to the nearest store (Walgreen's) and
picked up some Superia 800. Back to shoot, but even still too dim for
f5.6 ( 300 mm.). After a few tripod shots, I got bold. Off came the
Sigma and on went the FA 100 mm. f2.8 macro. We crept closer and closer
and the bees never bothered either of us. They were completely absorbed
in whatever they were doing. Shot a roll with the macro lens (1/125 
f4) and called it a day.

This morning they were still there. As soon as the light got pretty
good, another roll went through the 1p with the FA 100 going through its
paces. Then off to leave off the film, and to work. Returning home this
afternoon the bees are gone.

What a privilege to have seen this phenomenon of nature. The mass of
bees was constantly in motion. As I moved in with the macro, I could see
that groups of them would form for a few seconds, and rub their antennae
together (exchanging nectar or information, I don't know). Then the mass
would swarm over them and the scene would be gone. But all the time new
scenes were forming.

I'll be biting my nails until I know that the negatives came out okay.
If so, there'll certainly be at least one image posted to some future
PUG.

Maybe this is more common in other parts. But I live in New Mexico where
even lizards struggle to survive. I felt like this was a
once-in-a-lifetime shoot.

Joe
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Jeff

I just got back my rolls of Agfa RSX and Provia 400 from the lab.
I don't care much about the green color cast in the RSX. The Provia seems
like a nicer film.

Jeff
P.S. I'll have them with me tomorrow

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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...


 Sorry,thats what i mean the Agfa RXS II.
 I agree with Bruce on this one Cotty.Very
 nice colours

 Two votes. Any more? :-)

 Before it was discontinued, I loved Fujichrome Astia.  Now I shoot a lot
 of Agfachrome RSX.

 Aha! Three votes!

 Welcome to the land o' big negs, Cotty!  I know that you're still saving
 up for a P67, that you only got this Bronica cuz you're impatient, so
 we'll hold a seat at the table for you in the Brotherhood.
 
 ;)

 Do I have to bring you some...shrubbery?

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The PDML Print Challenge.

2002-05-10 Thread William Robb

So far, I have 15 people who have expressed an interest in this
idea, and a few offers to pay my postage.
Kind offers, but not necessary.

Shel mentioned that the portfolio could be made available to
anyone interested. I am amenable to the idea, but I think we
will need to make multiple portfolios in order to allow a
reasonable time frame.
Also, we now have interested parties in North America, Britain,
and Australia.
So, I am thinking that we should probably create 5 or more
portfolios, to allow as many people to look at them in as short
a time as possible.

I think this is going to be a really fun project, but I forsee a
few issues that need to be gotten out of the way.
The biggie is shipping costs. Be aware, if you get involved in
this, you will be responsible for the cost of mailing a
portfolio to someone else. If the luck of the draw is that you
get to ship from North America to Ulan Bator, then that is what
you must do, and it must be sent by a quick carrier such as air
mail.
I don't want to hear anyone whinging about the fact that they
got stuck paying air postage to another continent. If this is
likely to get stuck in your craw, get out of the program, or
don't get into it.

With this in mind, I open this project up to all interested PDML
members. If you want to view a portfolio, send me a private
email with your mailing address, specifying that you are not
participating in the printing side.
If you want to participate as a PDML portfolio printer, send me
a private email indicating this.
If you are already on my list, and don't like this change to the
concept, send me an email telling me that you want to opt out.

The idea of this is to see how we print a negative, not how your
favourite commercial lab prints it onto greasy kid stuff. While
it is not policable, lets do the printing ourselves, in our own
darkrooms.
Remember, this is as much about the esthetics of the choice of
paper and image tone as it is about keeping shadow detail and
not blowing out the highlights.

I will be accepting participants until the 14th of May, for both
printing and non printing participants.
After that, too bad, so sad.
Have a geat weekend.
Bill
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Re: Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Jones

HI,

One of my friends just picked up a Kiev 88 and shot some slides along side
is Hassleblad. Shot for Shot on a tripod and i really couldnt tell the
difference. The colour representation was identical, the bokeh was pretty
much the same and the sharpness was identical. His seems to work okay.

The only problem is the lenses arnt leaf shutters and the flash sync is only
1/30.

Its also easier to focus that the Hassleblad which has an accumat screen in
it.

Regards,
Paul
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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:52 AM
Subject: Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT


 I'll go first (hanging my head in shame)

 I've purchased a Kiev 60.  In my research on whether or not to get the
 thing, I've been reading the Kiev forum.  Lo and behold, I've come across
a
 couple of other regular PDML'ers over there (who will remain anonymous for
 their protection).

 My question is; How many of you will confess to owning and/or using either
 the K60 or the K88?

 Actually, I think I got lucky and got a decent one.

 Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: Portrait of a Frog

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

Nice to hear from you, Andre. Your English is quite good, and your
stories are interesting. I hope you continue to contribute here. Your
voice will be a welcome addition.
Paul Stenquist

andre wrote:
 
 Since march, I kind of slip a comment here and there without having
 presented myself until now.  (My english is kind of slippery too.)  I
 live in Quebec City.  I've been on Pentax since '83.
 
 I began with my father's Contaflex some years before and found
 myself, a young anthropology student, travelling with 2 Canonets in
 '82 when I met a hometown guy who recommended an MX as an eventual
 SLR, a small impressive camera, he could have said.  From there my
 mind was set on this one.  While in  southern Mexico (good to feel
 warm weather in january...), a sudden currency devaluation cut all
 prices in two (for us).  So I could afford the 2 most common
 non-normal M lenses (28mm  135mm) - found in a small town ! -
 knowing I would get a MX body as soon as possible.  I went to New
 York at spring time to see museums and get a cheap MX. Prices were in
 display so I first went into that store where the price was the
 lowest and told the seller that I noted his price on the MX was
 surprisingly low.  The guy went mad (thought I was implying something
 unclear about his merchandise) and almost kicked my ass to
 immediately get me out of his store.  Welcome New York !  (Paris is
 almost as bad... not Len of course).  I finally got a body for 130$
 if I remember well.  Found a new old stock M 50/1.4 in Quebec and I
 was set for a love story that would last and last until now...
 
 Who's got the time to read all that?  I'll go faster and drop the
 romantic part.
 
 As I found SMC Takumar cheaper and easier to get, I switched to these
 and eventually acquired a bunch of them but in real nomadic life used
 most of the time a 28mm, a 55mm and a 100mm macro (the best lens I've
 ever had).  Put on MXs, Spotmatics or a combination of both (always 2
 bodies: chrome + BW).
 
 Today I do it with LXs and K lenses if in town (classic progression
 of focals: 24mm, 35mm, 50-55mm, 85m, 135mm, 200mm, 300mm) or M lenses
 if travelling (steeper progression: 28, 50, 100 mac, 200 ; thinking
 about trying super-lite hiking kit 20, 40, 85 + K6-2X + achromatic
 close-up lens + reverse ring + AF-200T off body + reflector, table
 tripod).
 
 I'm not a professionnal photographer.  I've taken mostly Kodachrome
 and Kodak BW and mostly while travelling (Latin America).  I'm
 beginning to feed some to a Coolscan  print on an Epson 1200 with
 MIS inks and... (I feel wiziwiged...) I'm very very far from some
 Cibachromes I did one day.  For the last three years I did mostly
 portraits of local live musicians on Tri-X.
 
 Having collected much documentation on Pentax stuff, I was able to
 collaborate with Boz for some time.  I've read good parts of the
 Pentax (old) archives (I'd like so much to have a copy of it...) but
 stopped reading a year ago being too busy with depression.  (I'm back
 on my feet, cameras on my back.)
 
 I have a good superficial knowledge of Pentax manual focus era
 equipment (not Asahiflex though) but would like to identify better
 the optical character of Asahi lenses I meet.  I plan to do some
 real-life matches between a number of lenses (taking the same photo
 with 2 or more lenses, in a row).  Bokeh is important to me, also
 color balance, contrast  flare resistance and vignetting.  I still
 don't know how to put JPEGs on the WEB to show some results... what a
 shame...
 
 For example, I compared an old Takumar 200/3.5 (I read that in the
 sixties, some Nikoners of that era had this lens modified to fit
 their F cameras because it was faster than Nikon's) with Pentax-M
 200/4.  I scan the slides at 2700dpi with color stable Coolscan (6
 multi-pass with Vuescan) and check details.  Have Pentax done better
 with the M lens, 20 years later ?  I'd say yes and no...  Optical
 performance (drawn from ONE light situation, one f-stop ; no bokeh
 comparison, no low-contrast shot or flare-prone situation etc.) is
 practically the same BUT! ...M-lens is much smaller and lighter.  In
 a corner, I could see the M lens does have a little bit more
 contrast, maybe because of lower internal reflections due to SMC, I
 don't know.  Color balance is identical.
 
 Some of you will laugh at this exercice. I do take photos mostly for
 fun and don't care about the optical character of a lens when i use
 it.  But I think I  might find something comparing lenses in
 real-life situations.  I don't know what.  Maybe nothing.  Wow...
 that would be something!
 
 Andre
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Re: After the wedding

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

Wow! Beautiful work, Tom. If I ever get married again, you're the guy.
My wedding photos, which are now 30 years old, are faded and, for the
most part, out of focus.
Paul

tom wrote:
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton
 
 
  I'm curious as to how/what you present to the couple after
  the wedding
  is complete.  I have been doing proof books with 4X5 prints in them.
  For my own portfolio I have been getting 8X10's done.
 
 Proofs are 4x6's, 4x5's and 4x4's in a book, or I have them scanned:
 
 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/burke/
 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/teschke/
 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/cooper/
 
 No, I still haven't found a truly satisfactory way to scan b+w.
 
 
  The odd thing is, that most people really have a tough time
  envisioning an 8X10 when looking at a proof.  So if/when I show them
  some 8X10's the comments give you the feeling that it is an entirely
  different shot.  It would be costly to basically proof at 8X10, but
  maybe that is the best way to go?
 
 Um, no, unless you build that into your cost, which would seem to
 unnecessarily drive up your price. You want to raise your prices and
 lower your costs;)
 
 I've never had the problem you're having, and I suppose it's because
 from the first time I meet with clients, I let them know they'll be
 buying big prints. From the start, they assume it. Obviously that's
 what I show them too.
 
 If you talk like someone who thinks a 5x7 is a teeny little proof
 (like the bigshot medFo photographer you are), your clients will start
 to think the same way. You're the expert, they'll assume you know what
 you're doing, they'll trust your decisions.
 
 Another thing to think about is possibly setting up your pricing
 structure so that you get paid for your time, not your ability to card
 negs and go to the lab. In other words, make your money up front
 instead of relying on reprints or albums.
 
 Another option would be to sell the album up front as a package.
 
 tv
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Cotty,
 
 You had me chuckling as you related your experience.  I have had a
 similar experience with MF.  There certainly does seem to be a mindset
 difference when you use the bigger camera.  I enjoy it more and yes,
 more of my shots are well executed on MF.  

I found this to be true as well. Ten shots per roll results in more
thought per shot. It's basic math.
Paul
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Re: Last Call, Torontonians

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

I'm still showing up Frank.If you remember the 
35mm i'll take a look at it.Hopefully its going 
to be sunny,i want to shoot 1 camera with 
chrome and 1 with BW for developing at home.
Jeff i have my prints from Sunday.

Dave

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Subject: Last Call, Torontonians


Just in case any Torontonians have been away 
over the last coupla weeks,
or if there are any lurkers or newbies, a 
reminder that a few of us
Toronto Pentaxians are getting together 
tomorrow for a few beers and
some shooting (or whatever!).

We're meeting at C'Est What?, southeast corner 
of Church and Front
Streets at about 1:00 pm.

See y'all there.

-frank

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possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
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Re: Okay folks, fess up, WAY OT

2002-05-10 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

BO My question is; How many of you will confess to owning and/or using either
BO the K60 or the K88?

Well, I have a mint Pentacon Six TL which I use a lot, especially
since I got the adapter to use my 2.8/180 Olympia Sonnar on it - it's
a great portraiture combo, great in the studio (the P6 isn't exactly
great for mountain hiking as the shutter is prone to failure under 5
degree celsius, due to mechanical only design, no electronics like in
P67). It's a nice little light camera, really! Can't wait till I get
the 4/50 Flektogon. The Sonnar gives me so little depth of field at
full bore that some very nice selective focus portraits are possible,
and it covers 6x6 perfectly (am sure it would 67 too, but what's the
point there).

Good light,
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Re: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Not a big one;a nice one

Dave:)
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Do I have to bring you some...shrubbery?

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Re: Last Call, Torontonians

2002-05-10 Thread Jeff

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 I'm still showing up Frank.If you remember the 
 35mm i'll take a look at it.Hopefully its going 
 to be sunny,i want to shoot 1 camera with 
 chrome and 1 with BW for developing at home.
 Jeff i have my prints from Sunday.
 
 Dave
 

I have mine ready.

Jeff.
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Re: Quasi OT: An incredible experience plus photography

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Brogden

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Joseph Tainter wrote:

 Maybe this is more common in other parts. But I live in New Mexico
 where even lizards struggle to survive. I felt like this was a
 once-in-a-lifetime shoot.

Sounds like a great experience.  Swarming bees are usually very passive,
so they're usually safe to approach.  If you're in New Mexico, though,
there's always the chance that they're the Africanized bees that the media
touted as killer bees, and they tend to be a fair bit more irritable.
I'd think twice about going near bee swarms in the southern states without
protective clothing.

chris
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

 Cotty wrote:
 
   I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what
  would be good for landscapes on MF?
 
Ektachrome 100S produces excellent images with saturated but believable
color. And it scans very well.
Paul
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Epson 2450 again

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Hi all.Just got a call from my friend at Daymen 
and my Epson 2450 is in.I can pick it up 
Saturday morning.I know JCO had posted a picture
(s) and a bit of a review,so i hope to do the 
same in the next few days.I have a few 120 size 
transparencies,and some BW i'd like to see how 
they come out.Also i'll do a few 35mm(IR film)
and post and do a quick review as well.
I have to break the news to my 1 hour guy.He 
used to do the scans for me.May still do if 
this turns out for the worse..:)

Dave


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Re: Epson 2450 again

2002-05-10 Thread Bruce Dayton

David,

Let us know the software you use to scan with.  It would be nice to
see the difference between Epson Twain, Silverfast and Vuescan.  I
should have tried that, but regretfully, I didn't.  Only tried
Vuescan.


Bruce



Friday, May 10, 2002, 5:06:45 PM, you wrote:

DB Hi all.Just got a call from my friend at Daymen 
DB and my Epson 2450 is in.I can pick it up 
DB Saturday morning.I know JCO had posted a picture
DB (s) and a bit of a review,so i hope to do the 
DB same in the next few days.I have a few 120 size 
DB transparencies,and some BW i'd like to see how 
DB they come out.Also i'll do a few 35mm(IR film)
DB and post and do a quick review as well.
DB I have to break the news to my 1 hour guy.He 
DB used to do the scans for me.May still do if 
DB this turns out for the worse..:)

DB Dave


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Michigan PDML Meet

2002-05-10 Thread William D. Sawyer

If there might be others who would care to join us, the Michigan contingent of the 
PDML will be meeting at Kensington Metropark Nature Center, NW of Detroit, on 
Saturday, May 25. At the moment, that includes Ken Waller, Mark Cassino, Paul 
Stenquist, and myself. We welcome any others in the area who would care to join us.  
This is the third such outing, and we have found them to be enjoyable, informative, 
and most of all, good company.

Bill Sawyer
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