Re: Long ramble to Cotty
Hi Cotty, on 20 Jan 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Hands up: who will be looking 'very closely' at the Pentax DSLR (assume 6MP at less than 1500 bucks) in the following categories: 2*B*/ I'm 99 percent sure I want one but my wife would kill me... ;-) I agree with you, Cotty and Mike, that getting into DSLR business would not necessarily mean to change it every time a new one comes out. If I can afford such a camera and it works fine for me (and everything that I have read so far confirms this), then I don't see a reason to buy a new camera some weeks later. It would be a different thing, if I wasn't satisfied with the bought DSLR and the newer modells would be far more better at the same price. But this isn't a matter of DSLR development but of choosing a DSLR that fits my needs. Obviously the lifecycles of digital cameras are very short. That means, that you won't use a DSLR as long as an LX. But maybe you can get the most out of it for three or four years and use it as a backup body for a new DSLR after that. It's the same with computers: I will get a bigger/faster/whatever if I wait some weeks. But I won't save money - I'll just get 3GHz instead of 2.6GHz for the same price. But if I buy one today then I can use it today and I wouldn't see any necessity to change because of a faster modell. Indeed there stands a Pentium-II 300MHz in my room which is no longer my primary PC but a fine workhorse for many tasks. Cheers, Heiko
PMA and Pentax DSLR
Hi friends, Not true info here, but some clues from a Pentax press release I got. Pentax is managing an international press conference next 13 March 2003 on occasion of CeBIT in Hannover, Germany. According to Pentax, on that occasion, they will reveal new prestigious models as their European first. Ok, since PMA will take place next 2 - 5 March, I believe we'll see those new models introduced in Las Vegas, just before CeBIT in Hannover. Also, remember that Pentax did not manage an international press conference for launching the OptioS. The last time Pentax did that was in September 2000 in Cologne, when announcing their MR-52 DSLR prototype. I believe this coming press conference can only mean another important introduction. OK, that's little news, since we all know that Pentax is going to launch its DLSR, however, we're starting marking dates on agenda. Bye, Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com
Re: DSLR lifespan
They are at the end of a highly specialized supply train. If an individual was doing this on their own they would soon go broke. At 09:18 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Cotty wrote: You can do traditional photography where there is no modern infrastructure. It becomes much more difficult to do digital photography in those locations. Excellent point Peter You can bring the infrastructure with you. Think of the war zone photographers with their DSLRs, laptop computers and satellite phones. They've somehow figured out how to keep the batteries charged. --jc Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
That's exactly what I've been thinking too. So far, every little progress has been hailed and hyped as a revolution when it's presented, but reduced to an ordinary milestone on a long road in retrospect. As someone has mentioned before on the list, it seems that Pentax hangs around waiting for exactly the same thing before they jump the train. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Which is why it is a good idea to wait a while with a really new technology -- wait until new developments come at a bit of a slower pace. Doe aka Marnie -- .
pic take by 77 at wide open
Notice the double-image background? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/24.jpg MX, 77/1.8 (wide open), 1/60s, Kodak Gold 100, no sharpening, handheld. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: pic take by 77 at wide open
Cute dog. William Robb - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:12 AM Subject: pic take by 77 at wide open Notice the double-image background? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/24.jpg MX, 77/1.8 (wide open), 1/60s, Kodak Gold 100, no sharpening, handheld. regards, Alan Chan
Re: long ramble to Cotty
Hi, Cotty wrote: Hands up: who will be looking 'very closely' at the Pentax DSLR (assume 6MP at less than 1500 bucks) in the following categories: 1/ Where do I pre-order? 2/ I'm 99 percent sure I want one. 3/ Need to see it first, see if I really want one. 4/ I'd love one but the only way i could afford is to sell my film gear and I don't want to commit to that. 5/ Nice, but no. 6/ Not in a month of Sundays. I'm a definite 5. Not sure whereabouts in 5 I am but I'm in there. This is not so much an aversion to digital as a general dissatisfaction with material goods in general. mike
Re: My photos
Do you live in Israel? BR I tried doing a small photo web site here: BR http://home.att.net/~b_rubenstein/Israel/Israel_p/album1.html BR All photographs were taken with Pentax gear (lenses and bodies) BR BR
FRANK IN BIG LETTERS (was: OT-frank's post-was: Long ramble to Cotty)
Hi, Cotty wrote: Oh, I gotta go to bed. Midnight nearly and I'm off to London with a mate tomorrow to do something so anoraky (geeky) that I dare not admit it here. If I can, I will post a pic later tomorrow ;-) IIRC, that would be the Star Trek convention... mike (King Rat)
Re: Mono chrome slides
This one time, at band camp, David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Waterson wrote: This good news, but I am in .au :( Does anyone know of an Australian service such as this? Hmm, I'll have to see if I can even get my hands on Scala down here, let alone get it processed. I always thought it was an E-6 film :( No wonder my local shop doesn't sell the stuff. I just ordered a 'pro pack' of 5 rolls and I was told this film was being discontinued. I guess after I shoot this lot I will switch to T MAX and try some alternative processing. Oh, the 'pro pack' was $AUD90.00 plus shipping Kind regards Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: DSLR lifespan
Well if you wander around the City of London (England) you will see chalk marks on various buildings much like those that were used by vagrants of the past century to mark out a soft touch. If you know the code they tell you where to stand to leach off of business using wireless networks for free Internet access. Any level of access to a system that's granted will allow a clever hacker to get complete access eventually. I can't remember where I read this but the longest it takes an Air Force tiger team testing network security to take complete control of any system is about five days. What's the point you ask? If you give someone you don't know access to your data it's not yours anymore. (Yes I am paranoid, I know what I can do and I'm not even very good). At 10:52 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: Bluetooth was obsolete before it ever hit the market. Wi Fi is the current available wireless technology it is regular TCP/IP techology so you can set up about any level of security you think you need. And there are now Wi Fi Compact Flash cards. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Does anyone else see this as a very big security problem, (I always hated the Idea of Bluetooth and it still doesn't have enough security as far as I'm concerned). At 09:32 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I think Kodak has the right approach with their digicam docking station. What they need to do next is produce home printers with this docking station built in (just slide your camera into a slot in the printer - facing backwards so you can preview the pictures in the camera's LCD - and print) and even kiosks in photo shops that either work the same way (choose your pictures and hit print) or just accept a dump of everything in memory and has prints for you in an hour or the next day or whatever. That was probably on Kodak's mind when they created the EasyShare system. I think docks are outdated. With wireless technologies becoming more prevalent, they will be building more printers and cameras with built-in wireless capabilities. You can select and crop the pictures in your camera and send it to the printer without worrying about whether the USB cable is too long. When you walk by the kiosk in the photo shop, your camera will sense its presence and beep to ask you if you want your pictures printed. --jc Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: DSLR lifespan
Hi, You can do traditional photography where there is no modern infrastructure. It becomes much more difficult to do digital photography in those locations. You can bring the infrastructure with you. Think of the war zone photographers with their DSLRs, laptop computers and satellite phones. They've somehow figured out how to keep the batteries charged. they'd be the ones with multi-gazillion-dollar organisations like Reuters behind them. Not quite the same for a one-man freelance operation, or a smaller agency or cooperative. --- Bob
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
The LCD review tool is absolutely one of the things I like about digital too. Even though my experience is limited to the Optio 430. However, from what I hear from the DSLR-users I know here at home, they rarely use the LCD feature. Arguments are that it's so easy to scratch, take too much time and spend too much battery to be worthwhile. Especially the Nikon D-series users comment on this. In dependance of computers, I think Pål is pretty much right wrt DSLRs, but not to digital cameras as such. My guess is that in the consumer market there's a segment here for gadget printers that lets you plug in the memory card and print your pictures directly; without involving a computer at all. And for half-hour labs wher you can drop your memorycard and collect your images after lunch. Unfortunately, this doesn't make Påls argument less valid, given the level of technology those solutions represents... Jostein -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So I think you are overlooking something. That LCD window. Very attractive to the photographer. So what's to say that someone couldn't buy a digital camera, PS or DSLR, *without* having a computer? Just for the less destructable storage medium and for that really helpful LCD window? And have their prints made at a lab that is set-up to do so? I think that will happen. Maybe more than one would think right now. Probably a lot more. Doe aka Marnie Oh, well, don't know that much about it, so bowing out of discussion now. - .
Some New Photos
Hi, These shots were taken at a music Festival in Eldorado Australia. The shots of The Union is a friends band. http://www.nrg666.com/frl/ The band shots were taken with a Z1 and Tokina ATX 80-200/2.8 with Supra 400 and 800. Most of the other shots were taken with a Leica M6 and 35mm Summicron and a couple with the Z1 (24mm or 50mm lense). One thing that i noted from this is that a couple of shots taken with a K24/2.8 and A50/1.4 have a vastly different colours from the Leica glass. They really dont seem to work well together. The Tokina's colours however seem to be okay with the leica lense. Regards, Paul
Re: Speaking of GFM...
Hi Bill, Anybody new planning on showing up this year? Looks like we might be missing a couple of regulars, so we need to boost the PDML representation this year. Cotty? I was dreading you were going to ask. I have been in some pretty deep thought lately - and it looks like finances are my biggest problem (aren't they always?) and will likely scupper my attendance. I overspent drastically last year (guess why) and I'm trying to shovel off the credit card debt. With very great regret I will have to say at this juncture that I'm probably a no-show. It is my intention to make it one year though, and meet up with you all at PDML Central. It is one of my life ambitions to be in one of Tom 'Big Nose' Van Veen's self-portraits :-) Unless I win the lottery, in which case I'll fly you all in... sadly, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
re 77mm pictures wide open
i have noticed that on my latest group of photos back where i shot alot wide open and stop down to 2.8
ME Super question
Hi! I have a question related to ME Super or similar camera, ME F, ME, etc. Given a set of new alkaline batteries, how many films do you manage to shoot before you have to change them? I do realize that ME Super has to be quite frugal - the only things that need juice are shutter and meter. But still, I am interested in your mileage. Thanks in advance. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
Re: DSLR lifespan
Hi! Does anyone else see this as a very big security problem, (I always hated the Idea of Bluetooth and it still doesn't have enough security as far as I'm concerned). DF I agree. What I really want is a WiFi/Bluetooth stereo system, and get DF rid of all those patch cables behind my entertainment center. But not DF until I can protect them from any Tom, Dick, or Harry coming along and DF scooping up the CD I'm playing or whatever. Doug, are you ready to accept the quality loss that inevitably would seem to take place when the signal gets on the air and back again? I don't think such stereo is viable before all the parts involved would be able to digitize the signal with the highest quality possible and then transmit it... The CD player can do digital fiber output now. What about turntable or cassette deck? Or you don't deal with old tech? midsize grin As for the security. There's always going to be some people who would be able to break whatever security is in place. The only difference that various security systems make is the cost and difficulty of overcoming them. Back to topic though. I wonder how difficult would it be to design a 35mm style SLR that would have interchangeable sensors. Come, my hands for instants are both left so to say. I would inevitably break my camera if I were to perform such a trick... But then again, perhaps average PDMLer is handier than me :). Wait, it should be grin, right? --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
Re: Pentax K-primes
Hi Rene, The 135, as good as it is, can be easily bettered. Probably not noticeably so when using standard colour negative film. The 28 is a different story. This lens is one of Pentax's great lenses that has been equalled but not really noticeably surpassed. It has a fat field and almost no distortion - that is not an easy feat! Try and find 35 SMC Pentax f3.5 (not M) to go with it. Regards, Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: E. van Ginkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Pentax K-primes Hi, I understand I have got them cheap. Pentax secondhand-prices are lower in Europe then in the US. But what I want to know is how good are they compared with the newer ones Rene -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 20 januari 2003 16:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Pentax K-primes If you are having any doubts, I will happily take them off your hands for the same amount of money plus shipping. ;-) On Monday 20 January 2003 09:07 pm, E. van Ginkel wrote: I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right? -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Re: DSLR lifespan
- Original Message - From: Bob Walkden Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Hi, You can do traditional photography where there is no modern infrastructure. It becomes much more difficult to do digital photography in those locations. You can bring the infrastructure with you. Think of the war zone photographers with their DSLRs, laptop computers and satellite phones. They've somehow figured out how to keep the batteries charged. they'd be the ones with multi-gazillion-dollar organisations like Reuters behind them. Not quite the same for a one-man freelance operation, or a smaller agency or cooperative. Or someone on vacation who wants to take a few snapshots home to show around to friends. William Robb
Re: DSLR lifespan
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back to topic though. I wonder how difficult would it be to design a 35mm style SLR that would have interchangeable sensors. Upgradeable like computer CPUs? A modular camera system with standardised modules (sensor, CPU, AF, metering, communications interface, etc) makes a lot of sense. The chassis and component mountings could remain the same. With today's present miniaturisation, any thing is possible. Last year I suggested a camera that could use both film and digital. The digital conversion would be in the form of a back/base which could be easily attached to the body. Bob Rapp
Re: pic take by 77 at wide open
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cute dog. William Robb The young lady is many, many times more attractive than the dog! I wonder if the double image effect is a result of secondary diffraction caused by the limitations on the front/rear elements. Not having used or seen the lens, my first check would be to open the back of the camera and see at what stop the diaphragm obscures the front filter ring and real lens element. And check to see if the double image affect disappears at that and smaller openings. Bob Rapp
Re: DSLR lifespan
Hey, Peter, do you realize your internet connected computer can be taken over. Quick unplug it. g Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Well if you wander around the City of London (England) you will see chalk marks on various buildings much like those that were used by vagrants of the past century to mark out a soft touch. If you know the code they tell you where to stand to leach off of business using wireless networks for free Internet access. Any level of access to a system that's granted will allow a clever hacker to get complete access eventually. I can't remember where I read this but the longest it takes an Air Force tiger team testing network security to take complete control of any system is about five days. What's the point you ask? If you give someone you don't know access to your data it's not yours anymore. (Yes I am paranoid, I know what I can do and I'm not even very good). At 10:52 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: Bluetooth was obsolete before it ever hit the market. Wi Fi is the current available wireless technology it is regular TCP/IP techology so you can set up about any level of security you think you need. And there are now Wi Fi Compact Flash cards. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Does anyone else see this as a very big security problem, (I always hated the Idea of Bluetooth and it still doesn't have enough security as far as I'm concerned). At 09:32 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I think Kodak has the right approach with their digicam docking station. What they need to do next is produce home printers with this docking station built in (just slide your camera into a slot in the printer - facing backwards so you can preview the pictures in the camera's LCD - and print) and even kiosks in photo shops that either work the same way (choose your pictures and hit print) or just accept a dump of everything in memory and has prints for you in an hour or the next day or whatever. That was probably on Kodak's mind when they created the EasyShare system. I think docks are outdated. With wireless technologies becoming more prevalent, they will be building more printers and cameras with built-in wireless capabilities. You can select and crop the pictures in your camera and send it to the printer without worrying about whether the USB cable is too long. When you walk by the kiosk in the photo shop, your camera will sense its presence and beep to ask you if you want your pictures printed. --jc Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
just shot with my new pentax and tamron lenses
17mm adaptall - really good optically, very sharp, great resolution especially from infinity ( im new to this but detail in the background is really good and clear) it almost picks this up better tjhan the foreground detail. Colours are a little subdued and it lacks some contrast. Focusing is good and it is very well made. 24-90mm- quite good, very sharp and more saturated than the tamron still not as contasty or sharp as the vivitar 35-85mm it replaced but at least i can use it into the sun. Resolution better in the foreground than the tamron but less in the background. 43mm limted- excellent makes the other two look ordinary gives pictures a real 3D effect. picks up details better than the tamron even in the background. Sharp at f4 onwards. 77mm limited- booom wow just stunning even in a couple of under exposed foregrounds (by at least 3 stops) it still brought up foreground details. Again the 3D affect is present 80-200mm Tamron with 1.7x autofocus convertor (136-340mm f4.5) still very sharp almost to the standard of my FA 300mm 4.5 but better resolution it really captures the detail (bokeh is not the best) and the zoom makes it very convient, it is heavier but just as sharp even wide open will try to get the picts up in the next few weeks but i have already sold a couple of the 17mm pics ( admittedly i used Frank mirandas digital velvia photoshop action to boost the colour) i am happy
Re: Long ramble to Cotty
ZoomSLR, non-interchangable fixed mount zoom lens, see Epson E-10, E-20. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Long ramble to Cotty Hi! Pardon my asking, but what is ZLR? What is Z stands for? --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625 ===8==Original message text=== BB I am probably between #2 #3. Since all my lenses are K and M versions I BB would want to see what limitations, besides the obvious no auto focus and no BB shutter speed priority auto exposure, there are. I would still like them to BB come out with a ZLR, 6MP sensor with a fast , preferably constant aperture BB SMC lens,in a zoom range similar to the Minolta 7HI, with a PC socket. BB BUTCH BB Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself BB Hermann Hesse (Demian) ===8===End of original message text===
Re: DSLR lifespan
In a message dated 1/20/2003 5:41:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But is there any reason that down the road, in a few years when things have settled down a bit, that more and more people might buy digital cameras *without* owning a computer? Or without being highly computer literate if they have one? And having their prints developed at a lab, the same as before? Marnie, Not really. In fact this trend has already started. There are several printers that can take media directly, and a few accessories that allow previewing of pictures for printing without a computer. --Mike Neat! That thought never occurred to me, but now that you've said it, it makes all kinds of sense. Camera companies have a lot invested in digital (and probably will have more and more all the time), so naturally they would want to reach as much of the potential market as possible. What interesting times we do live in. Doe aka Marnie :-)
RE: Pictures taken with F* 300/4.5 ED IF
Waldemar, I believe that a couple of my old PUG entries were taken with the F* version. -Original Message- From: W. Krasowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pictures taken with F* 300/4.5 ED IF Hi to all, Can anybody show me some Webpage with pictures taken with F* 300/4.5 ED IF or FA 300/4.5 ED IF ??? regards, === Waldemar Krasowski tel: +48 501087147 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
AF330FTZ flash in auto mode.
Hi, Will the AF330FTZ flash work in auto or manual modem on older pentax bodies? like an ME-Super for example? Also has any one setup a diffuser for this flash? Thanks, Paul
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
Actually, I was trying to draw an analogy earlier to computers, but somehow that did not seem to be coming across very well. The PC market stabilized into the 286, 386, 486, and Pentium. A stage at a time. But each stage did not emerge in subsequent yearly turn arounds, sometimes it took a lot longer. And often one could be happy with whatever stage one had for some time. The underlying technology of the 486, for instance, the assembly language instruction set, was the same although different versions of 486's -- some may have had faster CPUs and more memory, etc. but the underlying technology was/is the same. That was my point about technology stabilizing. All I said before is that one could buy a digital camera, when the technology stabilizes, that one could be satisfied with for 6-8 years. Not forever. Maybe eight is high. Hard to tell right now. I have had all of the stages of computers mentioned above. I literally forget how long I used the 286 before I moved up to a 386. That lasted less than two years, but I had an upgradable motherboard so I switched to 486 easily. And that lasted about five to six years before I moved up again. There *is* faster turn around on digital/computers, but one doesn't have to assume one won't be satisfied for a while. One doesn't have to assume that just because the bells and whistles may be upgraded every six months that one can't be satisfied with what one has for a reasonable length of time. I think the trick with digital cameras may be figuring out when some of the technology has stabilized, when the basic underlying technology is remaining the same, despite the fact that the bells and whistles are changing. However, too many people also treat newer technology as disposable. It's not *just* that companies try planned obsolescence. Developments actually do come quicker, and people want the latest and consider what they have junk if it isn't the latest. If it still works and it still does what you basically need, it's not junk. Most modern stuff is built well enough to last a lot longer, a lot longer, than it ends up being used. And treating newer technology as disposable tends to devalue it. IMHO, it's pretty d_mn impressive. Or I wouldn't be here on the Internet, the pdml in particular, chatting with you and others. Hehehe. soapbox Doe aka Marnie /soapbox In a message dated 1/20/2003 4:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you did that you still would not have a computer. grin Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!) In a message dated 1/20/2003 1:24:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point was that digital cameras at current seem too follow computers in planned obsolescence. Hence, I find it likely that consumers will treat them similarly. Pål Evolving technology means they are continually developing new and better technology. IMHO, it is really much too soon to jump to the conclusion they are following the path of planned obsolescence. Sometimes a new technology just evolves so quickly the turn around time is very rapid. Turn around being when the next thing issues from RR. Which is why it is a good idea to wait a while with a really new technology -- wait until new developments come at a bit of a slower pace. Doe aka Marnie
RE: AF330FTZ flash in auto mode.
Hi , Paul ! This flash have only full TTL and manual modes. Manual mode has two power levels - H and L. Raivo http://home.delfi.ee/tiikmaa
Re: Re: TOPDML - Date Please ?
Feb 1 is good for me too.I'v sent a CC to Aaron just incase he can free up some timeg Dave Begin Original Message From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:55:05 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOPDML - Date Please ? Feb 1, say I. It seems that it was suggested by frank Dave B. also. BTW, Feb 1 is the Chinese New Year. How about Chinatown. Jeff. David Chang-Sang wrote: Good question Frank what say you? Jeff? Dave? Aaron? We are looking at either this weekend or Feb 1 weekend. Definitely indoor shooting - perhaps somewhere in the bowels of the city? Of course we'll stop for pints :) Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOPDML - was: list down? ok so which is it nd what are we going to do? indoors lol it's bloody cold --- Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put me down for Feb 1 (or next saturday) Jeff. David Chang-Sang wrote: hmm.. Saturday Feb 1 is good for me Next week is good for me. I'm easy and I don't care who knows it ;-) Lemme know either way. Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOPDML - was: list down? Hey, Brendan (and the Daves and Jeff et al), When? Tomorrow ain't good fer me. Sunday might be, but I want to watch football. Next weekend I have kids. Dare we look two weekends down the road? Maybe we'll have thawed by then (anyone out there try riding a bike when it's -25C?). cheers, frank Brendan wrote: it does seem slow, hey Frank TPDML!!! I need my monthly beer fix -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ _ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Pentax K-primes
The old K 3.5/28mm lens is much sought after as the best/sharpest of the Pentax 28mm lense, be they the K, M, A, F, or FA varieties. I can verify that the lens is sharper than the later M and A offerings from Pentax at f2.8 or f3.5. You have to compare to a much more expensive f2.0 28mm Pentax lens to get similar pictures. There is nothing wrong with the old K 3.5/135 lens. It is just a bit bigger than the M 3.5/135 lens which are excellent, in plentiful supply, and very good bargains! Some say they even prefer the 'intangible' look of the old K series lenses and seek this lens out. So stop agonizing, you got a good deal on two excellent lenses. I've seen people pay double what you did and still smile at the end of the transaction! These lenses beat most every zoom in use today, and meet or exceed the optical performance of new prime lenses at these focal lengths. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I understand I have got them cheap. Pentax secondhand-prices are lower in Europe then in the US. But what I want to know is how good are they compared with the newer ones Rene On Monday 20 January 2003 09:07 pm, E. van Ginkel wrote: I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right?
Re: My photos
I only visited twice: 1983 1998. For many reasons it's a special place to go to. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you live in Israel?
AF Dilema
Humm decision time comming up soon.Torn as to what to do. Current AF Pentax camera is the SF-1 with Sigma 100-300 DL 5.6-6.7, and 35-70 4.6 5.7?.Not good in low light obviously. Current Nikon AF camera,D1 with 35-70 and 80-200 f2.8 lenses. Cannot decide weather to look for a used Sigma 70-200 f2.8 or 100-300 f4 and or something in the 28-105 f 2.8 /f3.5 range OR a F4 bodyMB21 grip to go with the lenses.Economicaly i know what to do.Just need a push one way or the other. Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: pic take by 77 at wide open
Yes, and so... Bob S. Notice the double-image background? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/24.jpg MX, 77/1.8 (wide open), 1/60s, Kodak Gold 100, no sharpening, handheld. regards, Alan Chan
Re: pic take by 77 at wide open
There is a bit of it, but not at all bad. I've seen pictures with two very distinct images. You really need bright, specular highlights before things get objectionable even with bad bokeh lenses. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice the double-image background? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/24.jpg MX, 77/1.8 (wide open), 1/60s, Kodak Gold 100, no sharpening, handheld.
Re: My photos
on 21.01.03 13:53, Bruce Rubenstein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only visited twice: 1983 1998. For many reasons it's a special place to go to. Yes, I would like to visit Israel some day, but it seems now to be quite dangerous place :-( -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Re: single best tips.
I want to thank each of you for the tips you offered in response to my post, Single best tip for better pictures. The vast majority of the tips revolved around the thought that the more you shoot the better you get. Shoot with a passion and edit without mercy. The second set of comments had to do with the pace we shoot our pictures. Shoot quickly and capture the moment versus shoot deliberately and make the most of every exposure. After reading the posts it became evident that we need to match our shooting pace to the demands of the subject. Shoot fast for rapidly changing scenes and very deliberately for still life scenes etc. The underlying truth is that much thought is required for every shot. Visualize the image before you make the picture. This is true whether shooting Nascar races at 200 mph or roses in a vase. Set your standards high and make your work habits comply with your standards. I am in the process of summarizing the tips and will post the tips to the list when I have completed the summary. Thanks again for all of your insights. Ed Tyler
Re: Re: Pentax K-primes
Hi, It is true that in Europe one can buy K lenses quit cheap. for instance I have bought SMC K 135/2.5 lens in Vienna for 40$!!! in mint condition. What a great lens and I exchanged with my brother- I got SMC K105/2.8 and he got KX from me which I bought with M50/1.7 for 135$ so my 105mm was for about 90$ with Hama filter. Moreover I found SMC K28/3.5 for 75$ so I got three lenses very cheap. Alek Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: You did very well. Especially the 28 f3.5 - that is one outstanding lens. The 135 is very good and lite weight. Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: E. van Ginkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Pentax K-primes Hi folks, I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right? Thanks in advance Rene --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Miliony czekaj na Ciebie w Internecie! htpp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Jostein wrote: My guess is that in the consumer market there's a segment here for gadget printers that lets you plug in the memory card and print your pictures directly; without involving a computer at all. There are a number of printers out there that do that. I recently bought a Epson Stylus 925 and it's great for minilab quality and convenience at home. Just load a roll of paper, stick in the memory card or plug in the camera and tell it to print. It has a built-in paper cutter. HP also has a tiny printer that does only 4x6 and has a built-in memory card reader. And for half-hour labs wher you can drop your memorycard and collect your images after lunch. Sony, Fuji, Olympus and a few others already make kiosks that you can stick in your memory card and order prints. I think the Olympus one has a credit card reader so it can be self-service. --jc
Re: AF Dilema
I'd second Bruce's suggestion - I have a buddy who's got an F100 and he says it's an awesome camera. Plus, if Bruce is correct (and I'm assuming he is because it's a Nikon), the learning curve will be small due to the similarity to your D1. Cheers, Dave (you could also just ING GUYSave Your Money/ING GUY and buy a Pentax 67 now couldn't ya?) ;-) Original Message: - From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:56:06 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AF Dilema If you really want AF, I don't know why you're looking at an F4. I'm seeing quite a few F100s on ebay for only a couple of hundred more than the F4, and that will handle much like your D1. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm decision time comming up soon.Torn as to what to do. Current AF Pentax camera is the SF-1 with Sigma 100-300 DL 5.6-6.7, and 35-70 4.6 5.7?.Not good in low light obviously. Current Nikon AF camera,D1 with 35-70 and 80-200 f2.8 lenses. Cannot decide weather to look for a used Sigma 70-200 f2.8 or 100-300 f4 and or something in the 28-105 f 2.8 /f3.5 range OR a F4 bodyMB21 grip to go with the lenses.Economicaly i know what to do.Just need a push one way or the other. Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Speaking of GFM...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 08:12AM No problem Cotty. We're in somewhat the same situation. Our youngest is getting married 3 weeks after the NPW, and we're hoping to build a new home and move to Virginia in mid 2004. What part? Steve (in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Web Site
-Original Message- From: Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I have just launched a new web site for anyone that is interested in havng a look. www.heritageservices.com.au Follow the links to the Photography pages. I'd appreciate feedback from the knowledgeable Pentaxerrazzi. Lot's of nice stuff, particularly in the travel section. The b+w section needs a little filling in. :) Some of the color stuff seems to have overly high contrast, and there's some vignetting here and there. Again, nice stuff. tv
SF1/SFX versus SF1n/SFXn
[was: SFX questions] Is [the SFX] possibly the noisiest Pentax SLR (shutter/winder noise total)? Yes, perhaps. The SF1/SFX is pretty loud. However, you'd be amazed how much quieter the SF1n/SFXn is, both for shutter noise and winder noise - their sound level difference is like night and day. I just dug out the review in Popular Photography of the SF1n, which of course compared it to the SF1. To visually emphasize the dramatic difference in sound levels between the two bodies, I scanned a couple of comparative oscilloscope traces from the review: http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/sfbodies/sf1sf1n1.jpg As I said before, like night and day - g. The text in the review also says that By redesigning a few levers and changing the order in which certain internal events occur, Pentax was able to achieve a much quieter and more reliable camera. There are actually a number of differences between the newer and older bodies, but the sound difference seems to me to be the most striking. Fred
Re: SMC Pentax 2.8 135 on e-bay
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 00:12, Peter Alling wrote: Just my point. I checked up on his previous auctions and he buys and sells Pentax gear regularly. In spite of his comment which implies ignorance I'm skeptical. At 10:09 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: Looks like someone mistaking a Takumar bayonet for the SMC Pentax. On the other hand he seems to be buying Pentax lenses so maybe it's not a mistake. It certainly is a Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5. Its rainbow lettering colors give its identity away. (That, plus the fact that you can read TAKUMAR [BAYONET] on the lens barrel - g.) Of course, despite the auction title, it's not an SMC lens. Fred In either case, it's not worth the current bid The opening bid of US$25.00 is about right. I love eBay... Christian
Re: Bignose van Veen
On Monday 20 January 2003 20:36, Mike Johnston wrote: I'm hurt. http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/pdml3.jpg Hey! There's Cesar. Who's that on the left, any PDMLer? --Mike That would be me having a really bad look day Christian Cool, nice to see you, Christian. So you are acquainted with Cesar. Nice guy, eh? As long as you overlook his hoarding of LXen. g --Mike I've met Cesar on a few occasions. Once in Baltimore, once on an island in the Potomac river and again in College Park (where that shot was made). nice guy, I'm happy for his LX ;-) collection. I just wish he wouldn't defile them with dead reptiles. g tv keeps him in check, although Cesar is starting a 645n collection now so we'll see Cesar is supposed to be coming up this way again. I'm sure it will spark another DC PDML get together. Christian
PUG submission
Guys I have been driving myself nuts trying to submit an image to PUG. Every month it is the same thing. I can't understand why it will not accept e-mail from AOL, considering it is one of the largest IPs. But that is the way it is. So my submission for the digital Feb PUG will have to stay on my Website... If you have a sec... take a look. It is truly a digital image. The Snow scene is on BW print film. The wolf is on slide film. The wolf has had extensive work done on it in Painter and then combined with the snow scene in photoshop. Anyway here is the link.I am sorry I could not get it into the PUG... http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/Wolf.html Vic Vic
Re: SF1/SFX versus SF1n/SFXn
Fred, Thanks for the scan! It does seem to be quite a dramatic difference. Did the Pop Photo review mention any other interesting improvements other than the exposure bracketing, faster motordrive, and noise levels? It's always interesting to read a review of an updated model -- often, shortcomings regarding the earlier model will be mentioned that never came up in the original reviews of the earlier model. Joe [was: SFX questions] Is [the SFX] possibly the noisiest Pentax SLR (shutter/winder noise total)? Yes, perhaps. The SF1/SFX is pretty loud. However, you'd be amazed how much quieter the SF1n/SFXn is, both for shutter noise and winder noise - their sound level difference is like night and day. I just dug out the review in Popular Photography of the SF1n, which of course compared it to the SF1. To visually emphasize the dramatic difference in sound levels between the two bodies, I scanned a couple of comparative oscilloscope traces from the review: http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/sfbodies/sf1sf1n1.jpg As I said before, like night and day - g. The text in the review also says that By redesigning a few levers and changing the order in which certain internal events occur, Pentax was able to achieve a much quieter and more reliable camera. There are actually a number of differences between the newer and older bodies, but the sound difference seems to me to be the most striking. Fred
Re: My photos
Nice stuff Bruce. DG At 04:24 PM 1/20/03 -0500, you wrote: I tried doing a small photo web site here: http://home.att.net/~b_rubenstein/Israel/Israel_p/album1.html All photographs were taken with Pentax gear (lenses and bodies) BR
Vs: Testing of my MZ-S AF accuracy (MZ-5n)
That´s AF on point-and-shoot cameras. SLRs are stepless. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 3:16 Aihe: Re: Testing of my MZ-S AF accuracy (MZ-5n) Hi Peter, As I recall, all AF lenses have only a certain number of focus settings. That is they are not linear. I could be wrong, but if right, it could explain the focus problems. It does not bother me as I no longer have AF cameras (gave them up). Bob Rapp
Vs: AF Dilemma
Which one? I used to have the 2.8-4/28-105 and it was not good at the long end. Now I got the test issue of Foto Magazin (GER) 2/2003 and they have given it 9.2/10 of both optical and mechanical quality and five stars. Has Sigma improved the quality? Pentax 24-90 gets only 8.4 and 8.6. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 14:48 Aihe: Re: AF Dilema want my sigma 28-105 :-)
Re: Speaking of GFM...
On Monday 20 January 2003 18:50, Bill Owens wrote: Anybody new planning on showing up this year? Looks like we might be missing a couple of regulars, so we need to boost the PDML representation this year. Cotty? Bill I am planning on being there. too bad tv won't be there to drop some gear... Christian
Re: Vs: AF Dilemma
it's the 28-105mm F2.8-4 , are you sure it's the same lens? cause I'd like to know who they improved it, it's not the build but the optics that are horrible, with it's patented gumby(tm) distortion. --- Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which one? I used to have the 2.8-4/28-105 and it was not good at the long end. Now I got the test issue of Foto Magazin (GER) 2/2003 and they have given it 9.2/10 of both optical and mechanical quality and five stars. Has Sigma improved the quality? Pentax 24-90 gets only 8.4 and 8.6. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 14:48 Aihe: Re: AF Dilema want my sigma 28-105 :-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: DSLR lifspan
Well I missed the original message so Peter's comments about chalk marks on buildings comes out a little bit cryptic. Anyway I read in Amateur Photographer that Canon is to phase out the D60... after a lifetime of less than one year! A taste of what's to come I imagine. Me? Well my turntable (record player) is still working and sounding great along with my 6X7 both are circa '74 AB __ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just £6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just £13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
Re: Speaking of GFM...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 08:12AM No problem Cotty. We're in somewhat the same situation. Our youngest is getting married 3 weeks after the NPW, and we're hoping to build a new home and move to Virginia in mid 2004. What part? Steve (in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley) Fairly close to you in Lexington. We recently purchased 8.6 acres in Bedford County, about 15 miles North of Smith Mountain Lake. Bill
Re: Vs: AF Dilemma
Hey man.. I hear that Gumby(tm) Distortion is worth every penny :-) Bring it out to the next TOPDML :) Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:56:11 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vs: AF Dilemma it's the 28-105mm F2.8-4 , are you sure it's the same lens? cause I'd like to know who they improved it, it's not the build but the optics that are horrible, with it's patented gumby(tm) distortion. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Speaking of GFM...
Looking forward to meeting you. There's a possibility of having lots of Pentax toys to play with. Probably an Optio S and, if it's produced in time, MAYBE a DSLR. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of GFM... On Monday 20 January 2003 18:50, Bill Owens wrote: Anybody new planning on showing up this year? Looks like we might be missing a couple of regulars, so we need to boost the PDML representation this year. Cotty? Bill I am planning on being there. too bad tv won't be there to drop some gear... Christian
Re: 35mm and Full Frame Sensors
Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe we should talk about the diameter of the image circle. Admitedly not very practical... Hey, why impractical? Hassy fans could have a DSLR with a 30mm x 30mm sensor and it would still accept conventional 35mm SLR lenses ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com Then, not impractical but different from current use... Andre --
Re: good price for a smc m135mm 3.5
what would be a good price for this lens around $50 US In stores, around here, they go for $60 US (well used, good optics) to $85 US (mint). Andre --
Re: just shot with my new pentax and tamron lenses
24-90mm- quite good... not as contasty or sharp as the vivitar 35-85mm it replaced... I'm surprised because the 24-90 is a very recent design and the Vivitar an older one. At what focal lenght and aperture was the Vivitar better than the Pentax? Andre --
Re: FRANK IN BIG LETTERS
Oh, I gotta go to bed. Midnight nearly and I'm off to London with a mate tomorrow to do something so anoraky (geeky) that I dare not admit it here. If I can, I will post a pic later tomorrow ;-) IIRC, that would be the Star Trek convention... mike (King Rat) D'OH! Beam me up, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Vs: AF Dilemma
naww I'll bring the tokina 28-70 F2.8 with it's flare everywhere optics lol. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey man.. I hear that Gumby(tm) Distortion is worth every penny :-) Bring it out to the next TOPDML :) Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:56:11 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vs: AF Dilemma it's the 28-105mm F2.8-4 , are you sure it's the same lens? cause I'd like to know who they improved it, it's not the build but the optics that are horrible, with it's patented gumby(tm) distortion. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: DSLR lifespan
- Original Message - From: Bob Rapp Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Upgradeable like computer CPUs? A modular camera system with standardised modules (sensor, CPU, AF, metering, communications interface, etc) makes a lot of sense. The chassis and component mountings could remain the same. With today's present miniaturisation, any thing is possible. Last year I suggested a camera that could use both film and digital. The digital conversion would be in the form of a back/base which could be easily attached to the body. My experience so far with computers is you don't just replace parts willy nilly. My recent CPU upgrade also included a new power supply, but more importantly, a new mother board was required. I expect cameras would be equally bad tempered in this regard. William Robb
Re: Speaking of GFM...
It is my intention to make it one year though, and meet up with you all at PDML Central. It is one of my life ambitions to be in one of Tom 'Big Nose' Van Veen's self-portraits :-) Yes, that is one of my life ambitions as well--to be in a Big Nose van Veen portrait WITH you, Cotty! Cesar must be in it too, with a snakeskin LX. Okay but only in snakeskin briefs. I'll bring a whip. Cheeky monkey. Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Long ramble to Cotty
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Pardon my asking, but what is ZLR? What is Z stands for? Zoom lens reflex. That's what Olympus calls their non-interchangeable lens SLRS like the digital E10/E20 and the 35mm IS series (IS-50, IS-5, etc.). chris
Re: Re: single best tips.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Ed Tyler wrote: I am in the process of summarizing the tips and will post the tips to the list when I have completed the summary. Great idea! chris
Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Mat Maessen wrote: A friend of mine has an undeveloped roll of 828 film that he's looking for a place to develop (C41 color print film). If you're looking for a place to get old film developed, try: http://www.rockymountainfilm.com/ They also have links to sites where you can buy old film formats. chris
Re: DSLR lifespan
- Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan Hey, Peter, do you realize your internet connected computer can be taken over. Quick unplug it. g http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/index.html William Robb
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!) Aren't there people on this list using LXs, MXs, and K-1000s? All discontinued? No, not a totally accurate analogy because digital does evolve quicker than analog. Ask how many of those people are still using film from the same era. Thats where the obsolescence is in traditional photography. I still have a bunch of Fujichrome, circa 1990 in my freezer, but I expect I am a rarity. William Robb
Re: DSLR lifespan
Hi! BR Upgradeable like computer CPUs? A modular camera system with BR standardised modules (sensor, CPU, AF, metering, communications interface, BR etc) makes a lot of sense. The chassis and component mountings could remain BR the same. With today's present miniaturisation, any thing is possible. BR Last year I suggested a camera that could use both film and digital. The BR digital conversion would be in the form of a back/base which could be easily BR attached to the body. Not to sound impolite, but it is much easier said than done. Take for instance such a simple with respect to multi-technologiness of DSLR thing as Palm Pilot. It took Palm quite some tricks before they arrived to their universal connector - the contact between cradle and the unit itself. So simple, but they haven't foreseen that eventually their handhelds will have rechargeable batteries - need at least one more contact... The whole issue of hardware modularity is very non-trivial. I doubt that modern technology can provide us with what you seem to find so easily obtained. It either will not be modular or it will not be reliable as an SLR camera should be. Again, I meant no disrespect or offence. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
The little world of Dominga
She's 92 years old, and still very lucid. She's the sister of my grandma (grand-aunt?). I visited her for a week and took some shots of her little world, including her (she didn't knew I was taking her photos, thanks to the silent camera and non use of flash). http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=273292 Regards = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Vs: Vs: AF Dilemma
The 2.8-4.0/28-105 AF IF Asph it is. Strange. Must be a misprint. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 17:57 Aihe: Re: Vs: AF Dilemma it's the 28-105mm F2.8-4 , are you sure it's the same lens? cause I'd like to know who they improved it, it's not the build but the optics that are horrible, with it's patented gumby(tm) distortion. --- Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which one? I used to have the 2.8-4/28-105 and it was not good at the long end. Now I got the test issue of Foto Magazin (GER) 2/2003 and they have given it 9.2/10 of both optical and mechanical quality and five stars. Has Sigma improved the quality? Pentax 24-90 gets only 8.4 and 8.6. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 14:48 Aihe: Re: AF Dilema want my sigma 28-105 :-)
Re: ME Super question
If you remember to turn the meter off battery life won't be measured in rolls but in years. At 12:07 PM 1/21/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hi! I have a question related to ME Super or similar camera, ME F, ME, etc. Given a set of new alkaline batteries, how many films do you manage to shoot before you have to change them? I do realize that ME Super has to be quite frugal - the only things that need juice are shutter and meter. But still, I am interested in your mileage. Thanks in advance. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625 Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Vs: Vs: AF Dilemma
sample variation lol. --- Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 2.8-4.0/28-105 AF IF Asph it is. Strange. Must be a misprint. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 17:57 Aihe: Re: Vs: AF Dilemma it's the 28-105mm F2.8-4 , are you sure it's the same lens? cause I'd like to know who they improved it, it's not the build but the optics that are horrible, with it's patented gumby(tm) distortion. --- Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which one? I used to have the 2.8-4/28-105 and it was not good at the long end. Now I got the test issue of Foto Magazin (GER) 2/2003 and they have given it 9.2/10 of both optical and mechanical quality and five stars. Has Sigma improved the quality? Pentax 24-90 gets only 8.4 and 8.6. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 14:48 Aihe: Re: AF Dilema want my sigma 28-105 :-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Vs: The little world of Dominga
Great shots, Albano. I really like the stylish interiors - strong feeling. Who says that square format is a waste of something. All the best! Raimo (who has Rolleiflex 3.5F) Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 21. tammikuuta 2003 19:14 Aihe: The little world of Dominga She's 92 years old, and still very lucid. She's the sister of my grandma (grand-aunt?). I visited her for a week and took some shots of her little world, including her (she didn't knew I was taking her photos, thanks to the silent camera and non use of flash). http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=273292 Regards = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Lexington, VA
Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 Steve, Do you know Sally Mann? She lives in your town I think. --Mike
Re: DSLR lifspan
I ain't nothin' if not cryptic. At 05:05 PM 1/21/2003 +, you wrote: Well I missed the original message so Peter's comments about chalk marks on buildings comes out a little bit cryptic. Anyway I read in Amateur Photographer that Canon is to phase out the D60... after a lifetime of less than one year! A taste of what's to come I imagine. Me? Well my turntable (record player) is still working and sounding great along with my 6X7 both are circa '74 AB __ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just £6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just £13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890 Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: February PUG
How many people even have Pentax digital cameras that they can submit something for the Feb. PUG? I have lots of digital work, but nothing taken with a Pentax. --Mike
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
Film slr's didn't really change much after the first reliable one's were built. Hell the K1000 is a direct, (very direct), descendant of the Spotmatic F. The meters are electronically interchangeable with a small amount of surgery on the circuit board. That implies that the same basic design was produced for about 40+ years. I don't expect any current Pentax design (or for that matter C* or most current N* designs), to be in production for 1/10 that amount of time. DSLR's have even shorter product lives. At 08:11 AM 1/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: Aren't there people on this list using LXs, MXs, and K-1000s? All discontinued? No, not a totally accurate analogy because digital does evolve quicker than analog. But it seems to me one might reassess how much they might be buying into some company's marketing strategy of planned obsolescence. And instead assess a digital product's functionality in terms of what they want to use it for -- both with cameras and ...computers. In a message dated 1/20/2003 2:11:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doe wrote: Evolving technology means they are continually developing new and better technology. IMHO, it is really much too soon to jump to the conclusion they are following the path of planned obsolescence. In this case, it IS planned obsolence as Pentax have stated that their digital camera will get their life span reduced from one year to 6 months. This means that the camera will be replaced or discontinued after that date. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
RE: Pentax K-primes
To all, Thanks for the replies. I wasn't aware that the K28/3.5 was such a cult lens. I only found information about it's M-brother. I bought the M28/2.8 (not the 3.5) when it was new. I find the M a dull performer, nothing special. Now searching for the 35. Although Pentax-prices are lower over here then in the US, they are also quit rare. How is the K135/3.5 compared with the SMCK135/2.5 I also have. I find that one a nice performer, mayby a bit on the large side, but as good a performer as my Leica Elmarit 2.8/135 (and that one is really heavy)I have for my Leica M6. Rene -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Bob Rapp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 21 januari 2003 11:12 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Pentax K-primes Hi Rene, The 135, as good as it is, can be easily bettered. Probably not noticeably so when using standard colour negative film. The 28 is a different story. This lens is one of Pentax's great lenses that has been equalled but not really noticeably surpassed. It has a fat field and almost no distortion - that is not an easy feat! Try and find 35 SMC Pentax f3.5 (not M) to go with it. Regards, Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: E. van Ginkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Pentax K-primes Hi, I understand I have got them cheap. Pentax secondhand-prices are lower in Europe then in the US. But what I want to know is how good are they compared with the newer ones Rene -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 20 januari 2003 16:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Pentax K-primes If you are having any doubts, I will happily take them off your hands for the same amount of money plus shipping. ;-) On Monday 20 January 2003 09:07 pm, E. van Ginkel wrote: I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right? -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
Ain't that the truth. Just try to find a roll of Kodak XX pan, I do have a roll of 27 GEVAPAN MICROPAN 35mm it came packaged to go in a Leica 35mm canister expr. Jan, 1960, I'd love to open the foil wrapping but I consider it a collectors item. At 12:00 PM 1/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!) Aren't there people on this list using LXs, MXs, and K-1000s? All discontinued? No, not a totally accurate analogy because digital does evolve quicker than analog. Ask how many of those people are still using film from the same era. Thats where the obsolescence is in traditional photography. I still have a bunch of Fujichrome, circa 1990 in my freezer, but I expect I am a rarity. William Robb Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: February PUG
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 13:49, Mike Johnston wrote: How many people even have Pentax digital cameras that they can submit something for the Feb. PUG? I have lots of digital work, but nothing taken with a Pentax. --Mike Does it have to be a digital camera? Why not a scan? Isn't that digital? Isn't any picture on the web technically digital? I'm sure there will be lots of interesting interpretations this month once again; i.e: fingers and toes, digital clocks/numbers, etc, etc. Haven't we had this discussion? ;-) Christian Who submitted a digitally manipulated image shot with Pentax gear.
Re: February PUG
- Original Message - From: Mike Johnston Subject: Re: February PUG How many people even have Pentax digital cameras that they can submit something for the Feb. PUG? I have lots of digital work, but nothing taken with a Pentax. Where does it say the picture had to be taken with a digital camera? Truthfully, I had meant that theme as a joke, and was going to change it before I passed the gallery on to Adelheid. William Robb
RE: February PUG
I couldn't possibly be the only one here who has an Optio, could I? :)
Re: DSLR lifespan (was: Re: Ze Masked Enabler Strikes Again!)
1/10 the time is only 4 years, and that is not a long time to be in production except for bottom of the line entry level SLRs. % years is very common for mid range cameras and high end ones are even longer. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Film slr's didn't really change much after the first reliable one's were built. Hell the K1000 is a direct, (very direct), descendant of the Spotmatic F. The meters are electronically interchangeable with a small amount of surgery on the circuit board. That implies that the same basic design was produced for about 40+ years. I don't expect any current Pentax design (or for that matter C* or most current N* designs), to be in production for 1/10 that amount of time. DSLR's have even shorter product lives.
Re: February PUG
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 15:28, Jeff wrote: What about shooting a bunch of Pentax cameras with a Digital camera. Jeff. At this point it doesn't matter because the deadline was... yesterday! Christian
RE: Speaking of GFM...
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It is my intention to make it one year though, and meet up with you all at PDML Central. It is one of my life ambitions to be in one of Tom 'Big Nose' Van Veen's self-portraits :-) Yes, that is one of my life ambitions as well--to be in a Big Nose van Veen portrait WITH you, Cotty! Cesar must be in it too, with a snakeskin LX. Okay but only in snakeskin briefs. I'll bring a whip. We'll have to negotiate exactly who stands where. tv
RE: The little world of Dominga
-Original Message- From: Albano Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:14 PM To: PDML Subject: The little world of Dominga She's 92 years old, and still very lucid. She's the sister of my grandma (grand-aunt?). I visited her for a week and took some shots of her little world, including her (she didn't knew I was taking her photos, thanks to the silent camera and non use of flash). http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=273292 You kick ass. tv
Re: February PUG
I think Brendan's got the right idea. Take the photo with a Pentax Camera (of course) and you can go ahead and digitally manipulate a la Photoshop - but there should/have to be some of the original Pentax made photo in there somewhere. That's how I would read it anyway. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:12:22 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: February PUG humm does digitally manipulated count? --- Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many people even have Pentax digital cameras that they can submit something for the Feb. PUG? I have lots of digital work, but nothing taken with a Pentax. --Mike __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: February PUG
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 14:38, Amita Guha wrote: I couldn't possibly be the only one here who has an Optio, could I? :) I have a 330. Christian
Re: February PUG
That could work, oh no not the Tpdml from June!!! --- Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about shooting a bunch of Pentax cameras with a Digital camera. Jeff. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston Subject: Re: February PUG How many people even have Pentax digital cameras that they can submit something for the Feb. PUG? I have lots of digital work, but nothing taken with a Pentax. Where does it say the picture had to be taken with a digital camera? Truthfully, I had meant that theme as a joke, and was going to change it before I passed the gallery on to Adelheid. William Robb __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: February PUG
That's what I've submitted. (TOPDML 2/02) Just askin' ;-) Jeff. Christian Skofteland wrote: On Tuesday 21 January 2003 15:28, Jeff wrote: What about shooting a bunch of Pentax cameras with a Digital camera. Jeff. At this point it doesn't matter because the deadline was... yesterday! Christian
Re: Lexington, VA
I've met her, although I don't know her well. She's obviously a well known photographer, but here subjects are somewhat controversial (to say the least). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 01:33PM Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 Steve, Do you know Sally Mann? She lives in your town I think. --Mike
OT: color management and XP
I've got XP home edition, Photoshop Elements, an El Cheap-o monitor, and an Epson 740. Main problem right now is getting my 740 (possibly soon to be replaced if I print much more photo work..720 dpi isn't cutting it duh!) to print anything close to the colors I'm seeing on the monitor... I'm having no luck and am in a perpetual fog of confusion (24/7/365 if you ask my wife :) so if anyone wants o try o walk me through this mess off-list, I'd be very appreciative. Cory Waters
Re: long ramble to Cotty
Hi, Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 9:45:24 AM, you wrote: I'm a definite 5. Not sure whereabouts in 5 I am but I'm in there. This is not so much an aversion to digital as a general dissatisfaction with material goods in general. mike That must be why you're on the Pentax list - all the virtual and immaterial goods they offer... --- Bob (also a 5, with similar aversions)
Re: FRANK IN BIG LETTERS
I've always wanted to go to one of these. How are folks about letting you take pictures? Do you bring a fistful of model releases? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 12:42PM Oh, I gotta go to bed. Midnight nearly and I'm off to London with a mate tomorrow to do something so anoraky (geeky) that I dare not admit it here. If I can, I will post a pic later tomorrow ;-) IIRC, that would be the Star Trek convention... mike (King Rat) D'OH! Beam me up, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
OT: WAY OT Real Tech support
just look at what I have to deal with every day, and this is a tame one, Our exec vp wan't happy when he heard what the tech guys were saying about him . Geez good management is hard to find. HARDWARE: WORKSTATION: KEYBOARD Spilled Hot Chocolate On Keyboard FIELD SERVICES EXEC-STAR SLA Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:43:50 PM WILSON, SHANE Need someone to clean keeyboard spilled Hot Chocolate on keyboard. Status set to: Open Severity set to:3 Customer Impact set to: Critical Operating System set to: Win2000 Problem Summary set to: HARDWARE: WORKSTATION: KEYBOARD Assigned Support Group set to: FCP LAN SERVICES Problem Assigned to: Customer Verified set to: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:51:54 PM OCENAR, CHRIS Problem Assigned To: EVANS, PAUL Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:57:44 PM EVANS, PAUL This problem is not repairable. The interface between the keyboard and the chair remains defective due to S.I.S. (Self-Inflicted Stupidity) also known as U.B.D. (User Brain Dead). While this problem should be escalated, I will decline doing so for now to determine if this is a reoccurring issue. Monitoring. Problem Assigned To: WILSON, SHANE Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:03:05 PM WILSON, SHANE Status Set to: Assigned Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:03:57 PM WILSON, SHANE I have corrected the ID10T issue with the client and his keyboard is now functioning okay. Status Set to: Resolved __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: February PUG
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Amita Guha wrote: I couldn't possibly be the only one here who has an Optio, could I? :) I bought one for someone, but its not mine. I figured that when it came time to buy a new camera, I'd better support my brand rather than give money to someone else... Of course, that's also because the Panasonic/Leica hybrid was too expensive. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Speaking of GFM...
Very nice. Be sure you know where the nearest Walmart is. It's the rurual VA place to be on Friday nights . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 12:12PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/03 08:12AM No problem Cotty. We're in somewhat the same situation. Our youngest is getting married 3 weeks after the NPW, and we're hoping to build a new home and move to Virginia in mid 2004. What part? Steve (in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley) Fairly close to you in Lexington. We recently purchased 8.6 acres in Bedford County, about 15 miles North of Smith Mountain Lake. Bill
Re: long ramble to Cotty
In a message dated 1/21/2003 4:45:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cotty wrote: Hands up: who will be looking 'very closely' at the Pentax DSLR (assume 6MP at less than 1500 bucks) in the following categories: 1/ Where do I pre-order? 2/ I'm 99 percent sure I want one. 3/ Need to see it first, see if I really want one. 4/ I'd love one but the only way i could afford is to sell my film gear and I don't want to commit to that. 5/ Nice, but no. 6/ Not in a month of Sundays. 7/ When I go digital it probably won't be Pentax, but I will still be looking at it with interest. Doe aka Marnie
