My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Sid Barras
Hi Group,
I've gotten a very nice MZ S plus the battery/vertical shutter release 
grip, and all I can say is WOW! A great camera. I've used it for a 
couple of rolls now, too soon to decide its my favorite pentax ever, 
but I'm leaning that way! There is nothing so far I don't like about 
it.
Quiet shutter and wind/rewind.
Easy to use-- I've figured out most of the functions (except the 
pentax functions, which have always required the book to decipher) 
without looking at the manual.
Everything I could need is right there, next to my thumb or finger. I 
like this camera!!

And one very interesting thing I've discovered: It is quite close to 
the super program in size! And that means small-- here's what I've 
done:
Pentax made a leather case to fit the super program with the winder 
attached to the body. Some of you may have this case-- I've only seen 
it offered once, and I jumped on it with both feet when it appeared on 
ebay... But now, that leather case covers my MZ S with the FA 35/2 
installed. It's not a perfect fit, I had to take the hood off the lens, 
but it just goes to illustrate how compact the MZ S is, even with the 
battery grip installed-- keep in mind this is the MZ S body + the bg 
grip and the 35 lens- very close to the physical dimensions of the 
super program and winder... and it is definitely lighter than the 
superprogram...
Sid B



RE: More rumors on Baby-D!

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 10:03, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Shawn K. wrote:
 
  By the way, Pentax has an AF converter, it's available used too.
 
 It only works with manual lenses.

My 1.7AF TC works well with appropriate AF lenses.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



FS Friday: SMC-FA 24-90 lens

2004-06-04 Thread Jarek Dabrowski
Hello PDML,
I am selling SMC Pentax-FA 24-90mm AL IF zoom lens:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3819343601
Worldwide shipping. Auction ends on Tuesday.
Best regards, Jerry


Re: Papa-D

2004-06-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 04.06.04 13:59, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What? and then not have the shutter work if the centre focus point isn't OK,
 two switches for me two.
H... I am almost sure that my bodies have never required focus
confirmation to make shutter work... but:
- I could have special versions of MZ-S and *istD ;-)
- I use AF button on the back and AF is not engaged when I press shutter
release, so my cameras are always in shutter priority, even in AF.S.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




PAW: Abandoned building # 4

2004-06-04 Thread brooksdj

Hi Gang.

Ok so i get the hint,no more cute cats shots,vbgso this week i'll submit this shot 
taken
last Sunday 
on the drive home from a very small horse show.I have been on this road before but must
have missed 
this building.
I cropped it a bit as i had a lot of dirt in the foreground to get the whole building 
in
and i thought it was 
a distraction.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/abandon4.jpg

Also took a few IR frames with the PZ-1.Hope they turn out ok,lots of green in this 
shot
plus the 
building is long,so contrast should be up there.

As always i hope you enjoy it and coments always welcome.

Dave Brooks 






Re: An image for list appraisal

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 12:05, Lasse Karlsson wrote:

 It's a good shot.
 There is something to the far away line of trees and the sky. I would have
 preferred a greater sense of deepness, in lack of other words. In my
 uncalibrated monitor it now bordes to being slightly washed out. (I said
 borders to.) (I have obviously no idea what the original looks like, why I
 wouldn't know what can be done to it.)

Hi Lasse et.al,

Firstly thanks for commenting. Yes the image is slightly washed out, this is 
due in part to the atmosphere, low angle of the sun and the flare generated by 
shooting into the sun. I was pretty pleased with what I ended up with 
considering these impositions, the 31mm LTD is an amazing lens. The image 
needed to be somewhat under exposed in order to keep any detail in the sky and 
so the image had to be fairly heavily manipulated to bring it back to a 
reasonable gamma.

On 4 Jun 2004 at 10:42, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Keith Whaley wrote:
 
  Pretty impressive, shot into the sun!
  I don't know that I'd have tried it! Or, I'd have expected a big halo,
  wiping everything out.
  Pretty good job, it seems to me!
 
 I am impressed for the same reason. Pentax manual discourage users to
 aim against the sun; perhaps I read too much into that and now I know
 I am wrong. My monitor hoovers, but I find the field a bit dark. Would
 it have worked to give it a bit more exposure (when taking it) or does
 shooting against the sun requires one to be a bit defensive with the
 diaphragm?

I've been shooting into the sun for years with Pentax glass and cameras, I only 
found out it couldn't be done when I used a Canon :-)

You may have missed the technical details but the shot was made at ISO200 f8 
1/800th, pretty underexposed, any more exposure and the sun would have consumed 
most of the image :-)

On 4 Jun 2004 at 6:55, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I find it quite interesting and quite beautiful. The lens seemed to 
 have handled the severe flare situation quite well. Lassie mentioned 
 the somewhat unusual look of the rear tree line. On my calibrated 
 monitor they appear to be very low contrast in comparison to the 
 foreground. I assume that is a result of flare. You might try selecting 
 the rear tree line with a large feathering area and pumping up the 
 contrast a wee bit. But I do like it the way it is and too much 
 dabbling might spoil it. Nice work.

Thanks Paul, I don't know if the image would take much more manipulation, you 
should have seen the tree line before I contrast enhanced the image. It's one 
of those images that I wish I'd had more time to shoot, unfortunately I was at 
the edge of the highway and risked getting flattened as it was.

On 4 Jun 2004 at 4:05, Hans Imglueck wrote:

 Hi Rob,
 
 just my humble opinion:
 
 The sun looks like a Supernova or the flash of an atomic bomb.
 It fits not to the rather calm foreground. I would prefer
 keeping the sun out perhaps by some steps to the right. Though
 good to know how far an image can be tweaked.

Hi Hans,

The sun is a difficult compositional element, well no so much by it's self but 
definitely if you want any other elements to be visible too :-)

The image actually looks quite like I remember the scene, I did have the option 
of shooting the sun out of the frame but I would have lost the reflections in 
the water jets, every situation is a compromise I guess. Thanks for the 
comments.

Cheers all,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Papa-D

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 14:10, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

 on 04.06.04 13:59, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What? and then not have the shutter work if the centre focus point isn't OK,
  two switches for me two.
 H... I am almost sure that my bodies have never required focus
 confirmation to make shutter work... but:
 - I could have special versions of MZ-S and *istD ;-)
 - I use AF button on the back and AF is not engaged when I press shutter
 release, so my cameras are always in shutter priority, even in AF.S.

I'm a left eye'd shooter, I can't use the button on the back, it's as wasted on 
me as the vertical shutter release on the grip.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: PAWs - Trip to Washington and Oregon

2004-06-04 Thread Larry Hodgson
Nice work Larry. Was #3  #4 the same scene shot with different white
balance?

Butch

Thanks Butch.  No, these sre two separate images. Both images were shot and
processed with Auto white balance. It was much dacker and much longer
exposure on #4.

Larry from Prescott




RE: More rumors on Baby-D!

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:

 My 1.7AF TC works well with appropriate AF lenses.

Perhaps I did not read the manual well.

Kostas



Re: An image for list appraisal

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:

  shooting against the sun requires one to be a bit defensive with the
  diaphragm?

 You may have missed the technical details but the shot was made at ISO200 f8
 1/800th, pretty underexposed, any more exposure and the sun would have consumed
 most of the image :-)

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Kostas



Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

Hi,

Does anyone have this lens? Any comments?

Thanks,

Kostas



RE: More rumors on Baby-D!

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 13:31, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:
 
  My 1.7AF TC works well with appropriate AF lenses.
 
 Perhaps I did not read the manual well.

I don't think I read it at all :-)

What it does do is have a limited range, ie often the lens must be pre-
focussed, this can be quite an advantage in many situations as the camera is 
far less prone to hunt wildly if the target is lost for a moment.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: An image for list appraisal

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 13:33, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:
 
   shooting against the sun requires one to be a bit defensive with the
   diaphragm?
 
  You may have missed the technical details but the shot was made at ISO200 f8
  1/800th, pretty underexposed, any more exposure and the sun would have
  consumed most of the image :-)
 
 Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Following is the jpg image extracted from the PEF file using Johns great little 
command line application:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP3715.jpg

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Papa-D

2004-06-04 Thread John Mustarde
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:17:04 -0400, you wrote:

what has happened is that my readings on people who actually do what i am
trying to and are making a living at it say the same thing. if you have the
basics down, stop playing with wannabe hardware and get what it takes to get
the job done reliably, and without interfering with the photographic
process.


I like to think of it in this way: how much capital is needed to
become self employed in nature photography, as compared to say,
setting up a two-man barber shop or a fast-food franchise.  In that
light, nature photography is dirt cheap.  The capital outlay is well
under $100,000 and can be operated out of the home, thus no ongoing
extra rent or building costs;  the barber shop will cost twice that,
and the fast food franchise four times at least.  

As a long time owner of big glass, and admirer of Art Morris' work and
teachings, I agree: anyone wanting to be a player in the nature
photography field needs to go head to head with the equipment used by
his peers.  As of today this means Canon and only Canon.   600/4 IS
USM plus 1.4 and 2x TC, flash bracket and flash extender, Wimberly
head or video head, top line Gitzo tripod, then after receiving that
multi-thousand dollar lens go buy some camo tape and wrap it up. 

$6899  EF 600mm f/4.0L IS Image Stabilizer USM Autofocus  
1389  EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS (Image Stabilizer) USM Autofocus Lens
1649  EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS Image Stabilizer USM Autofocus Lens 
279 EF 1.4x II Extender 
279  2x II Extender EF - Autofocus 

Add ten thousand for incidentals and you're in business for under
twenty-five thousand bucks. Wow, pretty cheap. 

By the way, the Canon 600/f4 has gone way down in price the last six
years - it used to cost over $10,000, now they have added IS plus a
couple other features and the cost has dropped to $6899.  The 400/4 DO
is a neat lens, but has not been widely adopted yet by those in the
know.

But the important thing for a successful nature photographer has
nothing to do with gear: it is the seminars and sessions and books and
articles which generate significant income.  A few stock photo sales
per year will not make the car payment or put the kids through
college; one needs a steady profit which provides a reasonably high
income, which is where the famous and semi-famous nature photogs
excel, they provide themselves with a wide range of income
opportunities.

If one wants to go be serious about nature photography as a business,
or a form of self-employment, Pentax would not be the system of
choice.  However, that does not mean that Pentax can't match photo for
photo with Canon and Nikon - it's just not the best business decision.


--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: More rumors on Baby-D!

2004-06-04 Thread Norm Baugher
Ouch Rob, who woke you up? vbg
Norm
Rob Studdert wrote:
snip ouch


Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan

2004-06-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Which begs the questions, what platform are you using, and how's it set up?
Processor, speed, etc.

Shel Belinkoff


 [Original Message]
 From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 6/4/2004 2:08:38 AM
 Subject: Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan

 Shel,

 I don't own a Nikon scanner, but I have tried Vuescan.
 The user interface of Vuescan is awful.  You have to flip
 through various tabs in weird ways to get things done.  And
 screen refresh is _very_ slow.




Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan

2004-06-04 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Shel,

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:14:34 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Now that I'll soon have my very Coolscan film scanner, these questions have
more significance.  So, what is it about Nikon software that you don't
like?  In what way is Vuescan better? 

I've downloaded the Vuescan Getting Started guide and can see some
features that Nikonscan doesn't have (at least not that I know of), but
features don't mean squat unless they work well.  Therefore, any comments
from experienced users of both software packages would be appreciated,
especially concerning the newest versions of each.

I must confess I have never really USED Vuescan, but do have experience 
with the Nikon software. That experience was good enough to let me stick
with the standard software :-)

I started with a Nikon Coolscan III  (a predecessor of what you'll be getting)
and used the NikonScan software that came with it with great success for
over 3 years. I also tried the Silverfast software that came with it as an 
alternative but really hated the user-interface so never used it afterwards.

I had (and have) herad very positive reports about the VueScan software
but at the time it did not support the ICE dust removal hardware in the
scanner so I did not use that either.

After switching to the Nikon 8000 ED scanner last year, to be able to scan
my 67II metrial, I continued using the NikonScan software.

I still like it, and the results leave (almost *) nothing to be desired.

Regards, JvW

PS:
About the  'almost', there is a minor bug (I think) in the defaults it uses for
negative material, if you scan using the defaults, the lower part of the histogram
will not be used completely (black-point), so the range of values used in
the image is less that it could be.
Not a real problem when working in 16-bit but better to avoid it anyway.

It could be that the CoolScan IV and V have the same problem ...
--
Jan van Wijk;   http://www.dfsee.com/gallery




Re: Shooting these pesty birds :)

2004-06-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I believe that it is a device for listening to, and recording, bird songs.
Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
Hi,
  On the Pt.Pelee posts, I wrote that much more important than fancy
  long glass for a bird photographer is patience. Without it, and
  preparation, you are just a snapshooter.
  So, to be more constructive, I found this gallery of birding
  blinds, to show you and inspire you. Preparation, literature and
  knowledge of bird etology is most important if you want your bird
  photograps to show something more than just the damn little critter
  curiously looking at you, even though you have the best 1200/5.6
  supertelephoto... And a lot of bird pictures over the web show only this.
  Surprised birds looking at the photographer, nothing else. That's
  the same as if you walked along the street with a 300/2.8 lens and
  all you photographed were curious and angry faces of the other
  citisens.
  http://www.naturphotogallery.com/galerie/galerie-kryty/index.htm
  Look at the first one, it's actually quite funny... birding blind
  with a satellite dish :)
Good light,
Frantisek Vlcek
 




FS: expanded and reduced

2004-06-04 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
#1  #2
Sunpak 611 flashes.  GN160 ft.

They're in used but fully functional condition.
The variable power setting works fine.
Each comes with a charger and NiCd pack BUT (and this is good)
because the NiCds are not holding a charge worth anything ...
each comes with 4 C-cell NiMH batteries.  And they really do 
work so much better.

Each also comes with a PC sync cord, a hot shoe sensor, and PC
sync cord for the shoe sensor (for those cameras that have a PC
connection but a cold shoe, like a YashicaMat 124G, et. al.)

That's two nice flash outfits.
$65 each set.
Both for $120.

#3 SMC Pentax-A 24/2.8, excellent condition, caps.  $180

Plus shipping.
PayPal preferred.

Collin

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Ritz Camera: Comments on Scanner Purchase

2004-06-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I purchased the new scanner thru Ritz Camera on line, not a shop that I'd
even considered as an original choice.  However, the scanner was out of
stock almost everywhere, and the few places that claimed to have one in
stock either had poor reputations, high prices, or were offering grey
market.

Ritz offered free shipping and no sales tax (a big concern for us
Californians - sales tax is pretty high around these parts) even if they
had a brick and mortar store in the state.  Their price was $599.00, higher
by about 10% than Amazon, for example, but lower than most shops when
considering tax and shipping.

It was a no nonsense transaction  simple ordering, a quick
confirmation, and, surprisingly, a phone call a few hours later verifying
the shipping and billing address on the credit card.  Ritz sent emails at
every step of the way, as well, verifying receipt of the order, double
checking security issues, confirming shipment, and providing a tracking
number.

So, check them out ... they get a good recommendation here.  My only
kvetch is that they seemed overly concerned with security, but, in
fairness, it should be noted that my billing and shipping address are
different (which, for some stores, means you don't get the item), and the
billing address is a PO Box (another red flag).  So, while it was a bit
annoying to receive all the emails and the phone call, it was also very
welcome in retrospect.

Shel Belinkoff




Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Frantisek Vlcek
Subject: Re: photography vs cameras



 But it still drives me crazy when, as you said, nobody in their
sane
 mind without the knowledge and feel would try to repair their car,
but
 anybody with a camera thinks he is the photographer. Where has the
 profession's pride disappeared?

This trend has been going on for about 40 years. We called them
weekend warriors when I was active in the trade.

As soon as professional photographers adopted 35mm as their camera of
choice, they opened the door to anyone with a camera butting in on
their turf, and as a profession, got exactly what they should have
expected.

The advances in camera technology over the past couple of decades or
so has only made it worse, actual photographic knowledge (you know,
that stuff I harp about from time to time?) is no longer a
prerequisite, since the cameras themselves are able to take care of
all the technical details, and photography is now pretty much a point
and shoot game.

William Robb




Re: Papa-D lust

2004-06-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Collin Brendemuehl
Subject: Re: Papa-D lust



 Fortunately, Acros is still there.  It will likely outlive all the
rest, and I strongly hope so.  Now if only they'd cut it in 8x10!

This has long been my complaint with Fuji.
They don't support the low volume stuff at all.

William Robb




Re: Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP

2004-06-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
Subject: Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP



 Hi,

 Does anyone have this lens? Any comments?


Yup. Like it for film, haven't tried it on the istD yet.
It's pretty compact, and produces good pictures.
Some one else on the list has one, don't remember who. That person
thought it was a bit soft. I thought it was sharp enough.

William Robb




Re: Papa-D lust

2004-06-04 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
- Original Message - 
From: William Robb 
Subject:  
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:49:07 -0700 


- Original Message - 
From: Collin Brendemuehl



 Fortunately, Acros is still there.  It will likely outlive all the
rest, and I strongly hope so.  Now if only they'd cut it in 8x10!

This has long been my complaint with Fuji.
They don't support the low volume stuff at all.

William Robb

 

They could have dropped it like Kodak did Plus-X.
(I'll harp on that one for years.  Little shadow detail
but *lots* of highlight detail -- the reason I like it.)

Acros 4x5 QuickLoad is available, but pricey.
Midwest is looking to bring some (4x5 loose sheets) into the US.
They're working on it now.  Place your order with Abdi.
http://www.mpex.com

Collin

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Re: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Jim Apilado
Congrats on the film camera.  The last Pentax camera I got was the PZ1-p.
The MZ S is small compared to the PZ1-P.
Jim A.

 From: Sid Barras [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:05:55 -0500
 To: Pentax discussion Pentax discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: My new-to-me MZ S!
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:06:29 -0400
 
 Hi Group,
 I've gotten a very nice MZ S plus the battery/vertical shutter release
 grip, and all I can say is WOW! A great camera. I've used it for a
 couple of rolls now, too soon to decide its my favorite pentax ever,
 but I'm leaning that way! There is nothing so far I don't like about
 it.
 Quiet shutter and wind/rewind.
 Easy to use-- I've figured out most of the functions (except the
 pentax functions, which have always required the book to decipher)
 without looking at the manual.
 Everything I could need is right there, next to my thumb or finger. I
 like this camera!!
 
 And one very interesting thing I've discovered: It is quite close to
 the super program in size! And that means small-- here's what I've
 done:
 Pentax made a leather case to fit the super program with the winder
 attached to the body. Some of you may have this case-- I've only seen
 it offered once, and I jumped on it with both feet when it appeared on
 ebay... But now, that leather case covers my MZ S with the FA 35/2
 installed. It's not a perfect fit, I had to take the hood off the lens,
 but it just goes to illustrate how compact the MZ S is, even with the
 battery grip installed-- keep in mind this is the MZ S body + the bg
 grip and the 35 lens- very close to the physical dimensions of the
 super program and winder... and it is definitely lighter than the
 superprogram...
 Sid B
 



FS: SMCK 400mm f5.6

2004-06-04 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

This lens is still available if any of you *istD'ers care
to have a telephoto w/ a 600mm's field of view.

Has case, caps and a few 77mm filters  is in excellent
condition. A much less expensive option to those f2.8
long teles while still producing excellent images w/o
much lost convenience against auto focus gear.

SMCK 400mm f5.6  US$250 plus freight costs

Bill  mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Jens Bladt
Hello SidB
Congratulations. I agree. The MZ-S is a great camera. Wish I had a D
version, though!

The MZ-S also has a similar user interface as the Super A: Turn the aperture
and it will switch to Av. Turn it to A and the camera will switch to
Program Mode. Turn the Time Wheel to M and the camera will work in TV
mode. Turn both Aperture and Time wheel and the camera will be in Manual
Mode. This is a brilliant user interface IMO.

The MZ-S work pretty much the same way, except it has Green Button to turn
it back into Auto Mode instead of using the Time wheel again.

This and the HYP mode of the PZ-1/PZ-1p is what makes Pentax cameras very
convenient and truly user friendly. No mode switch is necessary.

But I'm having a hard time making my MZ-S compete with the sharpness of my
SONY DSC F717 - partly due no slow my zoom lenses, like the SMC F
4-5.6/70-210mm. But the autofucus and FPS is very nice in practice - who
really needs more than 2,5 FPS, anyway? But,  I would like a SMC
2.8/70-210mm - for less than 1000 USD! Is that possible?

Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Sid Barras [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. juni 2004 08:06
Til: Pentax discussion Pentax discussion list
Emne: My new-to-me MZ S!


Hi Group,
I've gotten a very nice MZ S plus the battery/vertical shutter release
grip, and all I can say is WOW! A great camera. I've used it for a
couple of rolls now, too soon to decide its my favorite pentax ever,
but I'm leaning that way! There is nothing so far I don't like about
it.
Quiet shutter and wind/rewind.
Easy to use-- I've figured out most of the functions (except the
pentax functions, which have always required the book to decipher)
without looking at the manual.
Everything I could need is right there, next to my thumb or finger. I
like this camera!!

And one very interesting thing I've discovered: It is quite close to
the super program in size! And that means small-- here's what I've
done:
Pentax made a leather case to fit the super program with the winder
attached to the body. Some of you may have this case-- I've only seen
it offered once, and I jumped on it with both feet when it appeared on
ebay... But now, that leather case covers my MZ S with the FA 35/2
installed. It's not a perfect fit, I had to take the hood off the lens,
but it just goes to illustrate how compact the MZ S is, even with the
battery grip installed-- keep in mind this is the MZ S body + the bg
grip and the 35 lens- very close to the physical dimensions of the
super program and winder... and it is definitely lighter than the
superprogram...
Sid B





RE: New Pentax Price List (1.Jun) shows what is left (was Pentax

2004-06-04 Thread Jens Bladt
It's not all about MP. Some 8MP cameras didn't get very good reviews!
It's about making a camera that will sell and can become the base for a
versatile lens and accessory system, that will satisfy many photographers -
and at a reasonable price. That's what the *ist D is, isn't it? I guess it's
not abig problem upgrading the SONY chip from time to time with the latest
technology 8-10-16-20-32MP.
All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 3. juni 2004 23:07
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: New Pentax Price List (1.Jun) shows what is left (was Pentax



On Jun 3, 2004, at 1:43 PM, John Francis wrote:


 I don't want to wait that long for a better DSLR than the *ist-D.

Ditto. I want a ten megapixel camera very soon. Without it, Pentax is a
non-player. Perhaps they're listening.
Paul





Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Norm Baugher
I'm left eyed dominant as well, as I found to my surprise, never even
noticed it. I'm curious if it's 50/50 or is it predominately right-eyed?
Norm
Rob Studdert wrote:
I'm a left eye'd shooter, I can't use the button on the back, it's as wasted on 
me as the vertical shutter release on the grip.
 




Re: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Dario Bonazza
Jens Bladt wrote:

 I would like a SMC 2.8/70-210mm - for less than 1000 USD!
 Is that possible?

That was my need too. I ended up buying an AF Sigma EX 2.8/70-200, costing
around $650 and reputed to perform better than any other 70-200 (or the
like) on the market (including Canon/Nikon/Pentax). It will be a nice
addition to my *ist D + DA 16-45mm, I think.
Not yet received it, but I'm confident I'll get it within a week or so.

Dario Bonazza



Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jun 2004 at 10:06, Norm Baugher wrote:

 I'm left eyed dominant as well, as I found to my surprise, never even
 noticed it. I'm curious if it's 50/50 or is it predominately right-eyed?
 Norm

I don't know about the norm (har) but I was very right eye/right hand dominant 
until I suffered lens damage a few years back which made accurate focussing 
impossible. The switch to the left eye was difficult, it even upset my 
compositional skill but now it feels quite normal.

Out of interest the following article tends to dispel the concept of eye 
dominance:

http://journalofvision.org/2/7/326/


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: New Pentax Price List (1.Jun) shows what is left (was Pentax

2004-06-04 Thread Peter J. Alling
The finder will have to be updated as well, (read replaced), if the 
sensor is updated with say an 8mp ccd with a
1.3 crop factor.  That could be expensive.  It would be for all intents 
a new camera design.

Jens Bladt wrote:
It's not all about MP. Some 8MP cameras didn't get very good reviews!
It's about making a camera that will sell and can become the base for a
versatile lens and accessory system, that will satisfy many photographers -
and at a reasonable price. That's what the *ist D is, isn't it? I guess it's
not abig problem upgrading the SONY chip from time to time with the latest
technology 8-10-16-20-32MP.
All the best
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 3. juni 2004 23:07
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: New Pentax Price List (1.Jun) shows what is left (was Pentax

On Jun 3, 2004, at 1:43 PM, John Francis wrote:
 

I don't want to wait that long for a better DSLR than the *ist-D.
   

Ditto. I want a ten megapixel camera very soon. Without it, Pentax is a
non-player. Perhaps they're listening.
Paul

 




Re: Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, William Robb wrote:

 Yup. Like it for film, haven't tried it on the istD yet.
 It's pretty compact, and produces good pictures.
 Some one else on the list has one, don't remember who. That person
 thought it was a bit soft. I thought it was sharp enough.

Thanks William,

What's a fair price for an Exc+ used one from a reputable shop at your
neck of the woods?

Regards,
Kostas



Re: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Dario Bonazza a écrit :
Jens Bladt wrote:
 

I would like a SMC 2.8/70-210mm - for less than 1000 USD!
Is that possible?
   

That was my need too. I ended up buying an AF Sigma EX 2.8/70-200, costing
around $650 and reputed to perform better than any other 70-200 (or the
like) on the market (including Canon/Nikon/Pentax). It will be a nice
addition to my *ist D + DA 16-45mm, I think.
Not yet received it, but I'm confident I'll get it within a week or so.
 

Good deal, Dario.
The Sigma EX 2.8/70-200 is a very good lens (but pretty heavy)  and 
become a nice 105-300 on the *istD; and with the 2x converter a rare 
5.6/210-600  !!

Michel
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg


Re: Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP

2004-06-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
Subject: Re: Tamron AD2 300/5.6 SP




 What's a fair price for an Exc+ used one from a reputable shop at
your
 neck of the woods?


Not a clue, sorry. I bought mine from a friend who was going Nikon
(silly boy) and then went to a Canon Rebel Digital (sillier boy).
Had he stayed with Pentax, he would have been way farther ahead of
the game.

William Robb




Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:

 Out of interest the following article tends to dispel the concept of eye
 dominance:

I shoot equally badly with either eye.

Kostas



Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Norm Baugher
Yeah, but it still doesn't explain when the eye ~centers~ on something.
Norm
Rob Studdert wrote:
I don't know about the norm (har) but I was very right eye/right hand dominant 
until I suffered lens damage a few years back which made accurate focussing 
impossible. The switch to the left eye was difficult, it even upset my 
compositional skill but now it feels quite normal.

Out of interest the following article tends to dispel the concept of eye 
dominance:

http://journalofvision.org/2/7/326/
 




Re: photography vs. cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Mike Nosal
At 05:04 AM 6/4/2004 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Watching what she was shooting I'm convinced she
got a lot of dull, stunningly sharp pictures.
Unless you saw her photos, you don't know what she got. And what's dull to 
you can be a treasured memory to someone else. Or maybe she did get 99 dull 
shots and one truly inspired shot. You just don't know and it's not fair to 
assume you do.

If the goal is actually a couple of great photos of her kid, $8000 would
buy a certain amount of time from a skilled photographer.
Yes, this is less satisfying than doing it yourself, but I sort of resent
the idea that all it takes to make pro-quality photos is a pro-quality
camera.
If someone spends $8000 (or $800, or $80) on photo equipment and they are 
satisfied by the outcome, good for them. Let them spend their money on what 
they want.

I've seen similar attitudes in the cycling community. Someone sees Lance 
Armstrong win the Tour on a $8000 carbon fiber Trek, so they go out and buy 
the $8000 Trek for themselves, the full zoot and everything. They can't 
hold a 20mph pace downhill with a tailwind, but they are having fun 
imagining they are Lance winning the Tour. Why resent their enjoyment? Of 
course buying the bike or the camera won't make them a pro, we know it and 
they know it.

Or you see a slow runner wearing top of the line racing flats at the local 
fun run. Why bother? you say. Saving 5sec a mile won't matter to this 
back-of-the-packer, they still won't win the race. But maybe those seconds 
saved matter to the runner. They know they won't win the race, but they can 
still try to do the best they can. A PR (personal record) is still a PR.

I've seen people resent those with better equipment than themselves, saying 
you can't be a pro just by buying pro-equipment. And others who disdain 
those with lesser equipment, saying if you don't have the absolute top of 
the line, you're just a wannabe and don't have money riding on it. or 
you're not a player.

Forget the gear snobbery. Just go take some photos.
Cheers,
-- Mike


RE: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Malcolm Smith
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 I shoot equally badly with either eye.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

I know I favour my right eye, but this demands a test. What if I take better
photographs with my left eye(?)another sleepless night ahead :-)

Malcolm




Re: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread jaalmanza
I just bought that lens a month ago from Wells Digital for $573.95USD.  It's 
an amazing lens.  I used it in conjunction with the Sigma 2x teleconverter 
for an outdoor concert at night.  The viewfinder was so bright that I 
watched most of the show through the viewfinder.  :D

~J. Alejandro Almanza

 That was my need too. I ended up buying an AF Sigma EX 2.8/70-200, costing
 around $650 and reputed to perform better than any other 70-200 (or the
 like) on the market (including Canon/Nikon/Pentax). It will be a nice
 addition to my *ist D + DA 16-45mm, I think.
 Not yet received it, but I'm confident I'll get it within a week or so.
 
 Dario Bonazza
--- End of Original Message ---



Re: photography vs. cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Mike Nosal wrote:

 If someone spends $8000 (or $800, or $80) on photo equipment and they are
 satisfied by the outcome, good for them. Let them spend their money on what
 they want.

And fund development for *your* camera.

Kostas



RE: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Shawn K.
Some people can fix things without knowing how.  I know a guy in fact who
took apart his VW bug engine, cleaned everything and put it back together.
He left a few washers out but it still ran perfectly.  He'd never done it
before, and Thats pretty cool.  I admit there are putzs out there, but some
people really honestly do pick things up rather easily.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Frantisek Vlcek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: photography vs cameras


ein If the goal is actually a couple of great photos of her kid, $8000
would
ein buy a certain amount of time from a skilled photographer.
ein Yes, this is less satisfying than doing it yourself, but I sort of
resent
ein the idea that all it takes to make pro-quality photos is a pro-quality
ein camera.  Certainly people wouldn't extend this idea to many other
ein professions.  Give me the best tools in the world and I still couldn't
ein make any sense of my Ford Escort.

Agree. I do resent the idea too, especially as it means we
photographers are losing money, when every putz thinks he can make
the pictures good for his brochure with his 300D and no
knowledge/feeling of photography or lighting. Well, that's the
changing market, and anybody wishing to continue will have to adapt.
But it still drives me crazy when, as you said, nobody in their sane
mind without the knowledge and feel would try to repair their car, but
anybody with a camera thinks he is the photographer. Where has the
profession's pride disappeared?

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek



RE: An image for list appraisal

2004-06-04 Thread Shawn K.
I think the sun should be out of frame.  In frame its just to big, and to
bright.  Also, I don't see enough refraction of the suns light through the
water elements.  IMO a shot like this is taken in order to catch the unique
ways water refracts light.  I can see it happening in the foreground, but
not in the distance.  I like the shot, minus the sun and a little more
refraction/reflection it would be even better!

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An image for list appraisal



 I've just finished tweaking an image (I think), if you have the time
please let
 me know what you think?

 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/_igp3715.jpg

 Tech: *ist D, 31/1.8, f8, 1/800th, ISO200. Gamma adjusted with curves
tool,
 local contrast increased using USM (radius 10). (file size about 250kB)




Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread John Francis
 
 ein If the goal is actually a couple of great photos of her kid, $8000 would
 ein buy a certain amount of time from a skilled photographer. 
 ein Yes, this is less satisfying than doing it yourself, but I sort of resent
 ein the idea that all it takes to make pro-quality photos is a pro-quality
 ein camera.  Certainly people wouldn't extend this idea to many other
 ein professions.  Give me the best tools in the world and I still couldn't
 ein make any sense of my Ford Escort.   
 
 Agree. I do resent the idea too, especially as it means we
 photographers are losing money, when every putz thinks he can make
 the pictures good for his brochure with his 300D and no
 knowledge/feeling of photography or lighting. Well, that's the
 changing market, and anybody wishing to continue will have to adapt.
 But it still drives me crazy when, as you said, nobody in their sane
 mind without the knowledge and feel would try to repair their car, but
 anybody with a camera thinks he is the photographer. Where has the
 profession's pride disappeared?

Bah!  Youngsters today!  :-)

Back in the days when cars weren't totally computerised, it was very
common for people to repair most minor problems with their own hands.
(There was also far more economical incentive to do so; the reliability
of cars has increased considerably over the decades).
On the first car that I owned (a Morris Minor 1000 Traveller) I did
most of the work myself, up to and including changing piston rings
and grinding in new exhaust valves.  That wasn't unusual for the time.
Nowadays you'll still find vintage car enthusiasts doing all the work
themselves, but apart from changing light bulbs, fuses, filters, brake
pads and spark plugs there's very little you can do on a modern car;
most other things are either good for the lifetime of the car or will
require hooking up to the on-board computerised diagnostic readouts.



Re: Papa-D

2004-06-04 Thread Joseph Tainter
John wrote:
Frame rate depends on how fast you can clock the data out of the
sensor and reset the chip.
I'm trying to understand this, John. Doesn't it depend on buffer size? 
Or processor speed? Or speed of writing to the card? If it depends only 
on how fast you can get data out of the chip, and reset, then it should 
be possible to hold the shutter down indefinitely until the card is filled.

I'm not arguing, John. Just trying to understand. If I've got it wrong, 
can you explain some more?

Thanks,
Joe


Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread John Francis
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Frantisek Vlcek
 Subject: Re: photography vs cameras
 
 
 
  But it still drives me crazy when, as you said, nobody in their
 sane
  mind without the knowledge and feel would try to repair their car,
 but
  anybody with a camera thinks he is the photographer. Where has the
  profession's pride disappeared?
 
 This trend has been going on for about 40 years. We called them
 weekend warriors when I was active in the trade.

I'd have to class myself as a weekend warrior, rather than as a
professional photographer; like many (most?) on this list photography
isn't my day job (and if it were I'd be shooting Canon, not Pentax).
 
 As soon as professional photographers adopted 35mm as their camera of
 choice, they opened the door to anyone with a camera butting in on
 their turf, and as a profession, got exactly what they should have
 expected.
 
 The advances in camera technology over the past couple of decades or
 so has only made it worse, actual photographic knowledge (you know,
 that stuff I harp about from time to time?) is no longer a
 prerequisite, since the cameras themselves are able to take care of
 all the technical details, and photography is now pretty much a point
 and shoot game.

F8 and be there is still worth more than the best bag of equipment.
But you still have to point in the right direction, and shoot at the
right time.  It helps if you've got the right lens on the camera, too.
Beyond that, you're getting down to the fine details.  For some shots
I can't match the pros, but that's largely because of equipment limits
(which, in turn, are enforced by budget constraints); my 250-600 is a
fine piece of glass, but a 600/f4 or 400/2.8 would give me a few more
options in manipulating depth of field or allow faster shutter speeds.
Most of the time, though, I produce shots that stand up to comparison
pretty well against all but the best practitioners in my chosen arena.



Re: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread John Francis
 
Jens Bladt asked:

 Who really needs more than 2,5 FPS, anyway?

I do, for one.  That's why I'll sometimes use the PZ-1p (and it's
why I put a motor drive on my MX instead of just the power winder).

It's not that I'm shooting in continuous mode - I rarely do that.
But the PZ-1p is ready to take the next shot in close to half the
time that the MZ-S takes.  That can make the difference between
getting the best shot and just missing it.

In any unpredictable situation where precise timing is the most
important factor a fast frame rate is a valuable tool.

I'd say that anyone doing sports/action or wildlife photography
would definitely benefit from having more than 2.5fps.  I could
see a benefit for some other situations, too - if you're trying
to get a one-time group shot (family functions, weddings, etc.)
with a large number of people involved, shooting twice as many
frames in the same time gives you twice the chance of having a
good shot with nobody blinking or yawning.



RE: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Jens Bladt
I never thought of using continupus mode for group shots - that's a great
idea, though. A friend of mine - a photographer - once told me that for
group photographs - it's always the first one, that is the best - cause
people can't really concentrate for very long!
All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. juni 2004 19:47
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: My new-to-me MZ S!



Jens Bladt asked:

 Who really needs more than 2,5 FPS, anyway?

I do, for one.  That's why I'll sometimes use the PZ-1p (and it's
why I put a motor drive on my MX instead of just the power winder).

It's not that I'm shooting in continuous mode - I rarely do that.
But the PZ-1p is ready to take the next shot in close to half the
time that the MZ-S takes.  That can make the difference between
getting the best shot and just missing it.

In any unpredictable situation where precise timing is the most
important factor a fast frame rate is a valuable tool.

I'd say that anyone doing sports/action or wildlife photography
would definitely benefit from having more than 2.5fps.  I could
see a benefit for some other situations, too - if you're trying
to get a one-time group shot (family functions, weddings, etc.)
with a large number of people involved, shooting twice as many
frames in the same time gives you twice the chance of having a
good shot with nobody blinking or yawning.





Re: Pentax Samba 2004, shot with SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm

2004-06-04 Thread Dario Bonazza
Undoubtably. Some time ago I took some pictures with the *ist D and the
F717, and I was really disappointed by the softness of the *ist D compared
to the sharpness of the F717 :-)

However, some of you will recall for sure how much (and how alone) I
complained for the *ist D softness here in PDML some months ago. Then I got
tired of repeating myself again and again (and bothering you so much on that
subject). Nevertheless, the *ist D keeps taking soft pictures.

So, why the hell did I buy an *ist D at the end? I must be crazy, or
masochist. Yes, enough a plausible explanation.

Dario Bonazza
(owning so many Pentax lenses and being so much stuck to Pentax for daring
to buy a Canon)

- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: PAW: Pentax Samba 2004, shot with SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm


 Speaking of SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm:
 http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4934830.html

 This is not really as sharp as the shots made with my SONY DSC F717,
 published last week: http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4784879.html

 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt




Re: Pentax Samba 2004, shot with SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm

2004-06-04 Thread Gonz
What is your flow like?  When I first started, I used the *istD with jpg 
best, so I had to jack up the sharpen, saturation, and contrast settings 
to avoid a PS fixup afterwards.  I was not happy with the results, so I 
switched to RAW.  But the Pentax convertor was a pain, and the only way 
to get 16 files was in TIFF, another pain.  Just recently I purchased an 
upgrade to my PS, the new PhotoShop-CS (creative suite or version 8).  
This is a much better tool, and I have noticed that not only is the 
final result sharper, but the colors are truer also.  But the best part 
is the fact that it can import Pentax RAW directly, without going 
through the crappy Pentax convertor.

rg
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Undoubtably. Some time ago I took some pictures with the *ist D and the
F717, and I was really disappointed by the softness of the *ist D compared
to the sharpness of the F717 :-)
However, some of you will recall for sure how much (and how alone) I
complained for the *ist D softness here in PDML some months ago. Then I got
tired of repeating myself again and again (and bothering you so much on that
subject). Nevertheless, the *ist D keeps taking soft pictures.
So, why the hell did I buy an *ist D at the end? I must be crazy, or
masochist. Yes, enough a plausible explanation.
Dario Bonazza
(owning so many Pentax lenses and being so much stuck to Pentax for daring
to buy a Canon)
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: PAW: Pentax Samba 2004, shot with SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm
 

Speaking of SMC F 4-5.6/70-210mm:
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4934830.html
This is not really as sharp as the shots made with my SONY DSC F717,
published last week: http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4784879.html
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
   


 




Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 4:06:30 PM, Norm wrote:

 I'm left eyed dominant as well, as I found to my surprise, never even
 noticed it. I'm curious if it's 50/50 or is it predominately right-eyed?
 Norm

I always used my left eye until I bought my first Leica M. It was
quick and easy to start using my right eye to shoot with that. I now
find that I use either eye with SLRs and with the Ms. I think it's
largely a matter of habit and training.

What I don't get on with are cameras with important controls on the
back. My nose gets in the way.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



RE: My new-to-me MZ S!

2004-06-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Great idea, Dario, except I would prefer a Tokina, if possible!
 
Tokina is very nice too and it is about 200 Euro cheaper than Sigma here 
in EU.. It has very good build quality (mainaly metal) 
and good reputation (although I haven't seen any results from this lens + 
*istD combo yet).. On Tokina's Japan site they advertise new version of 
this lens:
http://www.tokina.co.jp/atx/4961607633229.html
it is interesting, that it won't be available in Minolta mount...

-- 
Best regards
Sylwester



Tokina AT-X AF Pro 80-200/2.8

2004-06-04 Thread Fred
Hello, Pentaxers.

Does anyone have any experience with the Tokina AT-X AF Pro
80-200/2.8 zoom?  I'm quite familiar with the manual focus AT-X
80-200/2.8, but I'm curious about the autofocus version (which is
certainly optically as well as mechanically different).  I am
particularly interested in:

a.  Optical qualities (of course).

b.  Build quality (well, I can hope...).

c.  Manual focus feel (for an autofocus lens).

And, I guess, it might be nice if anyone could offer any experienced
comparisons with the Pentax FA 80-200/2.8 (which has a very good
reputation, I guess).

Thanks.

Fred




Re: Papa-D

2004-06-04 Thread Joseph Tainter
Got it, John. Thanks.
As for autofocus: For my purposes (emphasis) the *ist D's autofocus is 
far inferior to that of the PZ-1p.

Joe


Web space for storing photos

2004-06-04 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi all,

A friend of mine is about to go off over seas with his new digital
camera - not sure which one he hasn't bought it yet - and would like to
be able to put up images as he goes.  Can people recommend websites
which allow for free posing of images and give comments of how much
space is allowed etc?

Thanks


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon




Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
I used my right eye for twenty five years until it became so far 
sighted that  it couldn't focus. Then I learned to use my left eye, 
which happens to be near sighted, with my LX and 67. I sometimes had to 
wear a patch on my right eye or put my thumb over it to keep it closed. 
Then I bought the *ist D, which gives you a +2 correction, which seems 
to be about perfect for my right eye, so I'm back to shooting right 
eye, at least with this camera. God it sucks to be old vbg.
Paul
On Jun 4, 2004, at 5:03 PM, Bob W wrote:

Hi,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 4:06:30 PM, Norm wrote:
I'm left eyed dominant as well, as I found to my surprise, never even
noticed it. I'm curious if it's 50/50 or is it predominately 
right-eyed?
Norm
I always used my left eye until I bought my first Leica M. It was
quick and easy to start using my right eye to shoot with that. I now
find that I use either eye with SLRs and with the Ms. I think it's
largely a matter of habit and training.
What I don't get on with are cameras with important controls on the
back. My nose gets in the way.
--
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Web space for storing photos

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
PhotoNet is very good. I don't know how many shots they allow without a 
membership, but it's quie a few.
Paul
On Jun 4, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Leon Altoff wrote:

Hi all,
A friend of mine is about to go off over seas with his new digital
camera - not sure which one he hasn't bought it yet - and would like to
be able to put up images as he goes.  Can people recommend websites
which allow for free posing of images and give comments of how much
space is allowed etc?
Thanks
 Leon
http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon




RE: Web space for storing photos

2004-06-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Almost all ISPs give you some free web space, usually 10Mb.
Have him check with his isp.
jco

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web space for storing photos


PhotoNet is very good. I don't know how many shots they allow without a 
membership, but it's quie a few.
Paul
On Jun 4, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Leon Altoff wrote:

 Hi all,

 A friend of mine is about to go off over seas with his new digital 
 camera - not sure which one he hasn't bought it yet - and would like 
 to be able to put up images as he goes.  Can people recommend websites

 which allow for free posing of images and give comments of how much 
 space is allowed etc?

 Thanks


  Leon

 http://www.bluering.org.au
 http://www.bluering.org.au/leon





Re: Ritz Camera: Comments on Scanner Purchase

2004-06-04 Thread Joseph Tainter
Test message. I replied to this earlier, but my message isn't showing up 
on Mail-Archive. I have suspected for a couple of days that some of my 
posts weren't going through.

Joe


Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Treena
I'm right-handed but left-eye dominant. It hasn't been terribly important
with cameras, but on the shooting range it does make a pronounced
difference. I really don't think camera-users notice it much, but when
you're trying to sight down a barrel, there is an issue of parallax - same
as with point-n-shoot viewfinders. (I had to learn to shoot left-handed,
too. I'm too near-sighted in my right eye to make it work!)

- Original Message - 
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)


 Unless you are like me and have MESSED-UP eyes!  My right eye suffers from
astigmatism and hyperopia; the left from myopia.  Without glasses, my
depth-perception is great but I can't read very well regardless of distance.
my right eye has become so weak that i can look through the camera
viewfinder with the left and keep the right open and NOT SEE ANYTHING but
what's in the viewfinder; with or without glasses.  If i try to look through
the viewfinder with my right eye, I have to physically force my left closed
and then the view is so wired that composing and focusing is almost
impossible.

 what's really difficult for me is that I am right handed, but because of
my left eye dominance I have to shoot rifles left handed which becomes very
awkward.

 Christian




RE: Web space for storing photos

2004-06-04 Thread Jens Bladt
Fotopic.net gives you 250MB for free...

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. juni 2004 23:45
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: Web space for storing photos


Almost all ISPs give you some free web space, usually 10Mb.
Have him check with his isp.
jco

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web space for storing photos


PhotoNet is very good. I don't know how many shots they allow without a 
membership, but it's quie a few.
Paul
On Jun 4, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Leon Altoff wrote:

 Hi all,

 A friend of mine is about to go off over seas with his new digital 
 camera - not sure which one he hasn't bought it yet - and would like 
 to be able to put up images as he goes.  Can people recommend websites

 which allow for free posing of images and give comments of how much 
 space is allowed etc?

 Thanks


  Leon

 http://www.bluering.org.au
 http://www.bluering.org.au/leon







RE: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread Trevor Bailey
Christian wrote:.
what's really difficult for me is that I am right handed, but because of
my left eye dominance I have to shoot rifles left handed which becomes
very awkward.

G'day.
My mate lost his right eye to a magpie attack a few years ago. He, like
me shoot Full-bore rifles in competition.
He overcame the sighting issue by using an outrigger to mount his front
and rear sights to the left of the bore. He is consistently shooting
100/100.
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton
Australia




Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan

2004-06-04 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:09:06 PM, Shel wrote:
SB Which begs the questions, what platform are you using, and how's it set up?
SB Processor, speed, etc.

Well, my setup was slow. Enough of memory, but slow
processor (Pentium 200). But compared to the SilverFast, which was
instanteous even on my old machine. And on a better computer, you
would be still scanning still bigger files than I did when I used the
scanner. OTOH, as they said, VueScan is quite capable. It does things
many OEM softwares do not. I had received SF with the scanner, and the
OEM software (Microtek's) was totally unusable. Without the SF I would
have returned the scanner. That the VueScan's controls are awful is my
opinion. YMMV, as always on this list. But I stand behind it :-) It
would be much better software if Ed Hamrick got better controls into
it. But you can judge for yourself - the VueScan has got a trial
version, which is the same as the full version, only limited by
watermarking your image. Thus you can try before you buy.

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek



Re: Shooting these pesty birds :)

2004-06-04 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:40:18 PM, Daniel wrote:
DJM I believe that it is a device for listening to, and recording, bird songs.

Hi Daniel, I haven't thought of that! I thought it was an upload link
to nearby computer, maybe ;-) Switching CF cards might not be pleasant
when you are in a swamp... Or film :)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek



Re: Tokina AT-X AF Pro 80-200/2.8

2004-06-04 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Fred,
I just sold mine to a list member recently. The 80-200 is a great lens. 
Excellent images, extremely well built, and has reasonably good MF feel. 
  Not that I used MF too often. These lenses are well worth the 
investment if this is what you want. I only sold mine because it is too 
heavy for the sort of back country hiking I do these days. I am also 
changing to a more macro/travel oriented kit.

Cheers
Shaun
Fred wrote:
Hello, Pentaxers.
Does anyone have any experience with the Tokina AT-X AF Pro
80-200/2.8 zoom?  I'm quite familiar with the manual focus AT-X
80-200/2.8, but I'm curious about the autofocus version (which is
certainly optically as well as mechanically different).  I am
particularly interested in:
a.  Optical qualities (of course).
b.  Build quality (well, I can hope...).
c.  Manual focus feel (for an autofocus lens).
And, I guess, it might be nice if anyone could offer any experienced
comparisons with the Pentax FA 80-200/2.8 (which has a very good
reputation, I guess).
Thanks.
Fred

--

Dr. Shaun Canning
Archaeologist
Cultural Heritage Services
P.O. Box 21, Dampier,
6713.
0414-967644
Http://www.heritageservices.com.au



Re: Tokina AT-X AF Pro 80-200/2.8

2004-06-04 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Hi,
   I did try the Nikon version (as, unfortunately, my Pentax stuff is
   only M42 by now, but which I still enjoy). I haven't had time to
   use it seriously, so take my comments with a grain of salt and
   pepper :)

   Build quality seemed excellent. Heavy, metal, good. I wouldn't fear
   about the lens (although I had unpleasant experience with the
   cheaper Tokinas, both 3.5-4.5/20-35 - awful, broke thrice before
   money return under guaranty; and the new cheap 2.8/28-70 ATX SV -
   zoom ring was tight in some spots).

   I took only few shots at 2.8 on digital, which were sharp enough.

   The specimen I tried out (it was used) had quite slow AF, though.
   Not small AF adjustments, but it was slow going the whole cycle.
   Which can be a paint when the camera's AF system misses and the
   lens hunts. the old Sigma (not HSM) and Nikkors (not SWM) were
   about noticably faster, and the new HSM/SWM/... lenses are pretty
   fast. But it was only a quick test, and the lens might have been a
   bad specimen.

   Manual focus was OTOH very fast, some might say loose, but I did
   like it. So I wonder, if there was anything wrong with that lens'
   AF gearings.

   That's not much help is it :)

Fra



Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Bob W
Hi,

I was watching a rich suburban mom shooting pictures of her son's team
at
a high school track meet today.  She was using A Nikon D2h and 300/2.8
with a 1.4 converter--about $8000 worth of equipment and better than what
I as a pro was carrying.  Watching what she was shooting I'm convinced
she
got a lot of dull, stunningly sharp pictures (here's Jake before his
race...).  That is probably exactly what she wanted and was aspiring to.

perhaps she was a professional photographer spending some time with
her children, and knew exactly what she was doing. To be honest, your
assumptions say far more about your prejudices than they do about her
photography.

I've been photographing children at a safari park today, using several
thousand dollars worth of Contax equipment - including a 300mm lens
and x2 converter, like your suburban mom. The children (11 and 7 years
old) took at least 25% of the photographs, and most of those that I took
may not have reached your obviously high standards, but that doesn't mean
those are the only type of photos I take with my expensive equipment.
Maybe your rich suburban mom takes other types of photo with her expensive
equipment too.

Your post reminds me of something from David Hurn's 'On being a
photographer:

Take a mother on a beach watching her child build sand-castles. She
suddenly sees an expression which tugs at her heart strings. Without
thought, she dips into the picnic basket, aims the camera, and presses
the button. The moment has been captured - and will be treasured for
the rest of her life.

Eighty five percent of all the ingredients of photography are
encompassed by this simple act. The mother has an intimate knowledge
of her subject. There is no thought of self or creativity, although
both are intimately present. The snap was made without concern for
technique. These are the ingredients that should be present in the
acts of all photographers, no matter how sophisticated, yet they are
the very ones which are too often ignored.

If photographs of your own children aren't worth thousands of dollars,
what is?

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Bob,

Very well said.  I was thinking of that very same comment by Hurn when I
read the original post ;-))

Shel Belinkoff


 [Original Message]
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 6/4/2004 4:12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: photography vs cameras

 Hi,

 I was watching a rich suburban mom shooting pictures of her son's team
 at
 a high school track meet today.  She was using A Nikon D2h and 300/2.8
 with a 1.4 converter--about $8000 worth of equipment and better than what
 I as a pro was carrying.  Watching what she was shooting I'm convinced
 she
 got a lot of dull, stunningly sharp pictures (here's Jake before his
 race...).  That is probably exactly what she wanted and was aspiring to.

 perhaps she was a professional photographer spending some time with
 her children, and knew exactly what she was doing. To be honest, your
 assumptions say far more about your prejudices than they do about her
 photography.

 I've been photographing children at a safari park today, using several
 thousand dollars worth of Contax equipment - including a 300mm lens
 and x2 converter, like your suburban mom. The children (11 and 7 years
 old) took at least 25% of the photographs, and most of those that I took
 may not have reached your obviously high standards, but that doesn't mean
 those are the only type of photos I take with my expensive equipment.
 Maybe your rich suburban mom takes other types of photo with her expensive
 equipment too.

 Your post reminds me of something from David Hurn's 'On being a
 photographer:

 Take a mother on a beach watching her child build sand-castles. She
 suddenly sees an expression which tugs at her heart strings. Without
 thought, she dips into the picnic basket, aims the camera, and presses
 the button. The moment has been captured - and will be treasured for
 the rest of her life.

 Eighty five percent of all the ingredients of photography are
 encompassed by this simple act. The mother has an intimate knowledge
 of her subject. There is no thought of self or creativity, although
 both are intimately present. The snap was made without concern for
 technique. These are the ingredients that should be present in the
 acts of all photographers, no matter how sophisticated, yet they are
 the very ones which are too often ignored.

 If photographs of your own children aren't worth thousands of dollars,
 what is?

 -- 
 Cheers,
  Bob




FS Friday II

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Dalal
Hey Folks,

One more item to sell. I've got a SMC-M 150/3.5 in excellent condition. The
glass is clean with the usual level of dust for a lens of its age. Aperture
blades are clean and operate normally. Cosmetics are really nice. It comes
with the original leather case and front/rear caps. I've got pics of it if
needed. $75 shipped in the continental US (outside US is okay but has to pay
for the shipping of their choice). PayPal is okay also. Contact me off list
if interested.

Thanks!

Mark



PAW: Best Buddies

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Dalal
One for the peanut gallery:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2417479

Yes, I'm getting a little stir crazy.

Mark



Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Francis
Subject: Re: photography vs cameras




 Back in the days when cars weren't totally computerised, it was
very
 common for people to repair most minor problems with their own
hands.
 (There was also far more economical incentive to do so; the
reliability
 of cars has increased considerably over the decades).
 On the first car that I owned (a Morris Minor 1000 Traveller) I did
 most of the work myself, up to and including changing piston rings
 and grinding in new exhaust valves.  That wasn't unusual for the
time.
 Nowadays you'll still find vintage car enthusiasts doing all the
work
 themselves, but apart from changing light bulbs, fuses, filters,
brake
 pads and spark plugs there's very little you can do on a modern
car;
 most other things are either good for the lifetime of the car or
will
 require hooking up to the on-board computerised diagnostic
readouts.


I just bought a new Nissan Titan truck.
I can check the oil.
Thats about it.
I think I am going to have to buy a little British car of some sort.
I like fixing things.

William Robb




Re: GFM orgy?

2004-06-04 Thread graywolf
Who says. Actually, all those who thought they were going to use their laptops 
and cel-phone have discovered they can not get a data connection on the mountain.

As of 7pm today almost everyone from the list had arrived except TV, Tan, and 
Cotty. No one had any idea what was holding them up. The first part of the 
program started at 7, so I came home since I am not taking the workshop, and had 
started not feeling well either. I plan to go by again tomorrow.

Everyone seems to be having a good time. Lots of talking and sharing of 
equipment. It rained last night and a good part of today, but the weather for 
the rest of the weekend is supposed to be great.

Once again meeting PDMLers in person proves what great people everyone on this 
list are. Yes Frank brought his bunny ears. AnnSan brought her published photo 
book. Adelheide brought her video camera. Jostein brought his appetite (grin). 
Everyone seems to have brought beer. Just about everybody took a photo of 
everyone else.

--
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Apparently, the gang @ GFM is too busy lately.
Have you noticed we got no news at all for 2 days?
There must be some fun there ;-)
Dario
- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: In transit to GFM -- Some pics online.


On 3/6/04, MARNIE, discombobulated, offered:

And I'll tell you all later about the wild beer parties and the orgies.
Marnie aka Doe  Nope, I was kidding... I won't tell you -- my lips are 
sealed. ;-)
Well that's not much of an orgy is it now.
Cheers,
 Cotty
___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html



Re: photography vs cameras

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yo Bill,
You can do some work on the Titan as well if you purchase a service 
manual. It's not as mysterious as it seems.
Paul
On Jun 4, 2004, at 8:41 PM, William Robb wrote:

- Original Message -
From: John Francis
Subject: Re: photography vs cameras

Back in the days when cars weren't totally computerised, it was
very
common for people to repair most minor problems with their own
hands.
(There was also far more economical incentive to do so; the
reliability
of cars has increased considerably over the decades).
On the first car that I owned (a Morris Minor 1000 Traveller) I did
most of the work myself, up to and including changing piston rings
and grinding in new exhaust valves.  That wasn't unusual for the
time.
Nowadays you'll still find vintage car enthusiasts doing all the
work
themselves, but apart from changing light bulbs, fuses, filters,
brake
pads and spark plugs there's very little you can do on a modern
car;
most other things are either good for the lifetime of the car or
will
require hooking up to the on-board computerised diagnostic
readouts.

I just bought a new Nissan Titan truck.
I can check the oil.
Thats about it.
I think I am going to have to buy a little British car of some sort.
I like fixing things.
William Robb




Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread David Mann
On Jun 5, 2004, at 3:06 AM, Norm Baugher wrote:
I'm left eyed dominant as well, as I found to my surprise, never even
noticed it. I'm curious if it's 50/50 or is it predominately 
right-eyed?
I shoot with my left eye... not for any particular reason.  Sometimes 
if the sun is annoying me or I'm contorting myself into some 
uncomfortable position I'll use my right eye.

Now that I have new glasses that have a fragile antireflective coating, 
I'm using one-day contacts when I go shooting.  I doubt the plastic and 
rubber finders of my 35mm gear would matter but the 6x7 is all metal.  
But for some reason I find it harder to photograph while wearing 
contacts.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/


Re: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D)

2004-06-04 Thread David Mann
On Jun 5, 2004, at 9:03 AM, Bob W wrote:
What I don't get on with are cameras with important controls on the
back. My nose gets in the way.
The Z-1p is annoying in that regard.  My nose is always hitting the 
exposure compensation or meter mode buttons.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/