RE: ebay woes
Gonz wrote: No, in this case it was airmail all the way to UK. But you would think that it would have cleared customs by now and been delivered. I suspect that customs is the hold up. FWIW, most of the few items I have bought from the US have arrived as quick as, if not quicker, than items posted within the UK. Except one, which naturally was an expensive item, which took just over ten weeks to arrive. I'd given up hope of ever seeing it arrive and couldn't trace it. When it did, I could see from the labels that it took just about 24 hours to fly the several thousand miles to the UK. Ten weeks to the day later, the postman delivered a ransom note from Parcelforce, demanding import duty and admin fee, and having paid some minutes after receiving it, it was delivered the following day. Nice :-( Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
re: K100D antishake
In Pentax K10D video it says you enter focal length manually (thats what I remember). -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
YouTube - The Pentax K10D (shake reduction)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjKijLOj9s -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The JCO survey I assume that as with most electronic equipment there's a 40 point profit margin built in initially. That may have changed since I last had anything to do with a company that owned their entire pipeline from production to sales but I doubt it. The whole reason to concentrate on DSLR's is that they aren't commodity items, like PS cameras, which is where margins are razor thin. Assuming 40% markup over cost I'd say they'll be making money when the price drops to $599-699. levels in about 6 months if they follow the model used in most of the electronics industry these days. By then most of the new RD should be recovered and the cost basis will be lower as well. When I was selling cameras, there was almost no profit at all in SLR cameras, from manufacturing right through to the seller. I don't see how anything has changed that way in the last 20 years. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
You don't seem to have a clue. They didn't remove The K/M support to allow adding A/F/FA support, they have Just removed K/M support when both are simutaneously possible. The current mount does not Have anyhing new or improved. NOTHING. Its just new And degraded. Jco. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Canon/Minolta TOTALLY DIFFERENT situation. They IMPROVED their mounts which caused Incompatabity with their old ones. Pentax Has NOT improved their mounts one bit. It's exactly the reverse, they have crippled the Old lenses on purpose with ZERO improvement In the mount. ( there is no new lens mount ). They are removing the vagaries of mechanical couplings in favour of accurate electronic ones. How can you say this is not an improvement? William Robb I can do this all day if you like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Stakeout
Why do you say this? What makes you think they Cannot or will not ever add the feature or SOME OTHER Camera company will that uses the K mount? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Stakeout At 01:17 PM 11/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I don't care what you think, its what I think. And that kinda' says it all. You can't have a rational discussion with someone if they can't accept, or even acknowledge, a differing point of view. How many K/M lenses do you have or had? As I've said 1 (M 50mm f1.7), which I use exclusively with my LX. I use my FA 50mm f1.4 with the D LX. If you don't have that many its not a big Deal but for me it is because I have a whole Bunch and I really like them. I don't want them Disabled in any way by a dumb body. Fine keep shooting film then. But if you want to shoot digital your going to have to swerve first because Pentax won't. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
How much money will they lose on lost customers... joc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:20 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: The JCO survey And how much money will Pentax make from K/M lens sales? Dave At 01:14 PM 11/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: There are legitimate businesses and illegimate Businesses. Lenses and bodies are a system. To Discontinue EASY CHEAP support of millions of products ONLY TO SELL a few more new lenses today is not What I consider a legitimate business decision. If you don't agree, tough... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey What the hell are you talking about? The K/M lenses Are still worth more now then when I bought them. This isnt About money, this is about being able to use my really nice MF Lenses to their fullest extent. I don't want AF or progrma modes. These lenses **can** do all I want but pentax has crippled them For no legitimate reason. Pentax is a business entity. Money is a legitimate reason to business entities. Are you so seperated from reality that you don't know this? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Rather narrow? Either you don't know what AE with AE lock vs. AE lock only or your Just blowing smoke. Either way its bad for You. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey GB is not AE. Pentax never did it that Stupid limiting way in the past because Its not as good as open aperture AE with AE lock. GB is stop down AE lock only. Why cant you understand the huge difference Between the two? Duh. As I said, not by your rather narrow definition. William Robb I bet we get a definition of AE now -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Stakeout I don't care what you think, its what I think. How many K/M lenses do you have or had? If you don't have that many its not a big Deal but for me it is because I have a whole Bunch and I really like them. I don't want them Disabled in any way by a dumb body. Sell them. They'll have one less dumb body to contend with. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
Hello John, So what happens when the lens is a zoom? Such as the A 70-210/4? What focal length do you put in? -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:31:47 PM, you wrote: JC Come on guys, this has been discussed myriad times around here. When you JC put a K/M/A lens on the K100D or K10D, a screen pops up when you turn on the JC camera that allows you to select the lens' focal length. JC The only way the camera would know the lens' focal length is if the lens had JC a way of electronically communicating with the camera, which K/M/A lenses do JC not have. Once you tell the camera what lens you're using, you get full JC Shake Reduction functionality. JC John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Stakeout
At 03:14 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Why do you say this? What makes you think they Cannot or will not ever add the feature... Recent history, i.e. *ist (film), *istD, *istDS, *istDS2, *istDL, K110D, K100D K10D. If it was going to happen it would have by now. ...or SOME OTHER Camera company will that uses the K mount? What, like Samsung? They're just repackaging Pentax cameras. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Stakeout At 01:17 PM 11/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I don't care what you think, its what I think. And that kinda' says it all. You can't have a rational discussion with someone if they can't accept, or even acknowledge, a differing point of view. How many K/M lenses do you have or had? As I've said 1 (M 50mm f1.7), which I use exclusively with my LX. I use my FA 50mm f1.4 with the D LX. If you don't have that many its not a big Deal but for me it is because I have a whole Bunch and I really like them. I don't want them Disabled in any way by a dumb body. Fine keep shooting film then. But if you want to shoot digital your going to have to swerve first because Pentax won't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Gaackk. Not again. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: The JCO survey At 11:32 AM 11/10/2006, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Rampant inflation is upon us. Blame it on George Bush. Damn straight. We blame everything bad on George Bush WW I blame current high prices on the price of bananas. Well then, everyone should have one of these. http://www.bananaguard.com/ William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Stakeout
I don't want to sell them, Id rather use them On a DSLR body with AE as an option. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:25 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stakeout - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Stakeout I don't care what you think, its what I think. How many K/M lenses do you have or had? If you don't have that many its not a big Deal but for me it is because I have a whole Bunch and I really like them. I don't want them Disabled in any way by a dumb body. Sell them. They'll have one less dumb body to contend with. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey False, mechanical can be more reliable Than electronic in some sitations. It all depends on Good engineering. Bad engineering is what causes Problems, not necessarily whether its Mechanical or electronic. Can be more reliable is not the same thing as is more reliable. I own three Pentax LX camera bodies. This is the best camera they made, apparently All three have needed service because of flakey metering components. Either the ISO resistor or the aperture simulator resistor has been faulty on all three of my cameras. On one of them, this has been a multiple repair issue. Can be more reliable? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
Hi Bruce, The way it's been explained to me is that you have to set the focal length that you're going to use. The problem is that doing so slows you down if you're going to use the lens at other focal lengths - you've gotta keep changing the focal length, probably through a menu. Also, iirc, the focal lengths you have to choose from are quite specific, and with a zoom you can end up between those specific focal lengths, which may effect the results you can get. Mind you, I'm just guessing and doing a little remembering ... Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 10/11/2006 12:26:04 AM Subject: Re: K100D Anti-shake Hello John, So what happens when the lens is a zoom? Such as the A 70-210/4? What focal length do you put in? -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:31:47 PM, you wrote: JC Come on guys, this has been discussed myriad times around here. When you JC put a K/M/A lens on the K100D or K10D, a screen pops up when you turn on the JC camera that allows you to select the lens' focal length. JC The only way the camera would know the lens' focal length is if the lens had JC a way of electronically communicating with the camera, which K/M/A lenses do JC not have. Once you tell the camera what lens you're using, you get full JC Shake Reduction functionality. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/10 Tue PM 10:31:34 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions mike wilson wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: mike wilson wrote: I'm using the new machine to do email now through mail2web and my old address but I'd rather be able to set up my old netscape 4.6 when I get the new connection. Now that you have the better machine and connection, you might bebetter off installing 7.2, which is the last of the proper Netscapes. Fully compliant and has extras like popup blockers and tabbed pages, which I am sure you will love. A few clicks to make it look like 4.6 8-))) .. Shout if you need a hand setting up. I'll be away for a week from Saturday. lol - That sounds like catch 22 :) no worries - I'll wait until you get back I'm guessing I can get 7.1 cheap ? Free download. http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/archive72x.jsp Download the 7.2 full installer. That drops the whole installation package on your hard drive. If you do the top one, it just loads an installation programme which than connects your machine to the netscape server to do the installation. Call me paranoid but I really don't like that. With your new connection, the full programme should download in a couple of minutes. NS8 is browser only 8-( - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Mini PDML LONDON
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/10 Tue PM 11:42:22 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mini PDML LONDON On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:42:33 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mini PDML get together in London (UK) THIS SUNDAY October 15th. Time: 2 - 2.15pm Location: Outside Camden Town Tube Station Beacon: Cotty - 6'5 with blue cap on Occasion: Godfrey's UK Tour Highlights: Camden Market, locks and canal, hustle and bustle Names here please 1. Godders 2. Cotty + 1 3. Bob W 4. Skye + 1 5. Richard (Godders' Pentaxian friend from Gloucester) 6. Unnamed Pentax UK rep with goodies! 7. Rob Brigham Any more??? I shall be there in spirit. I shall be about 11,000m overhead about eight hours before. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
For those who want a real life example of the K100D SR in action, one chap did a rather tongue-in-cheek test, shooting on the move from his lawnmower(!). The before/after comparison shots are dramatic: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=19647176 Same guy did some night shots at a highway. Again, the vehicle light trails are telling: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=19621128 Hope this helps, Benjamin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
Why do you say this? What makes you think they Cannot or will not ever add the feature or SOME OTHER Camera company will that uses the K mount? jco You're not paying attention to what others have said. It's not a matter of not supporting old lenses, it's a matter of selling new lenses so Pentax (and other camera companies) can stay in business! You see, a camera body doesn't make a company very much money. Camera stores make little to no profit on a camera (SLR or otherwise) and have to sell accessories to earn any real profit. This I know from my own experience in camera retail. It's the same with camera manufacturers. They MUST sell new lenses and other accessories in order to stay in business. This is a fact of life, and can be seen in the trend most camera companies are following these days, which is to put more emphasis on dSLR cameras. The profit margin on the smaller pocket cameras is so slim these days, a lot of camera manufacturers are actually LOSING money on them. This problem can be at least partially blamed on internet pricing wars and bargain hunter websites, which have driven down prices so low as to make selling such things almost not worth the effort. So here's the issue: a lot of us long-time Pentax users have old lenses that don't have the kind of functionality some would like with the current dSLR line. Pentax has offered a solution (green button / AE-lock button), but some people are still whining. Pentax is faced with a choice. Do we throw in this one feature that a small but vocal minority won't shut up about, or do we continue to offer the same solution and try to encourage them to buy newer lenses? The former option will make a few people happy but might raise the price of our cameras enough that the average consumer won't buy them, compared to other brands' similar models. It will also drive down sales of new lenses, since there are so many old lenses people can get for cheap. The latter option will make that small minority upset, but will allow us to continue generating profits and therefore stay in business and continue to advance our camera line for everyone else. What do you think they would choose? Accept it, jco: sometimes sacrifices have to be made to survive. If you can't deal with the loss of the aperture simulator, then you're probably never going to be happy with a dSLR. Whining about it here or anywhere else on the internet is not going to bring it back. On the other hand, if you started a letter-writing campaign to Pentax on this issue, they might do something about it. Like, block your countless emails. Just kidding. Please note: average consumer is a key part of the above issue. We Pentax nuts are a small minority of people buying new cameras. Pentax MUST get new customers to stay alive, and the average consumer is important in this objective. John Celio P.S.: if it helps, I too would like to see the aperture simulator come back, but I am 100% confident that'll never happen. Not even from a non-Pentax K-mount dSLR manufacturer. -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: ebay woes
On 11/10/06, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: FWIW, most of the few items I have bought from the US have arrived as quick as, if not quicker, than items posted within the UK. Except one, which naturally was an expensive item, which took just over ten weeks to arrive. I'd given up hope of ever seeing it arrive and couldn't trace it. When it did, I could see from the labels that it took just about 24 hours to fly the several thousand miles to the UK. Ten weeks to the day later, the postman delivered a ransom note from Parcelforce, demanding import duty and admin fee, and having paid some minutes after receiving it, it was delivered the following day. I have filmed many times in large sorting offices. Usually they are pretty good - not much scope for losing track of something - BUT there is scope. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: AF500FTZ flash
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote: A consideration (for me) is that the Sigma flash's angle of view starts at 18 mm. Both of the Pentax flashes will cover 16 mm--as in DA 16-45 or DA 16-50. Not sure this is a problem unless you shoot straight on. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: what I need to do street photography
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 02:49:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: what I need to do street photography Forget about the K10D. Heck, forget even about a Leica M8. This is what I really need: http://red.com/ 12 Megapixels, 60 frames per second. 24x14mm sensor. Here is a frame from it: http://red.com/images/gallery/still_1-downsize-for-web.jpg I can see someone shooting little bursts in the street at 60fps, to later select the decisive moment. I'm only partially joking, btw. Cotty, you know you want one! :) What's a PL lens mount? Unobtrusive little bugger, with an unobtrusive price to match - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pearl web
Hi Patrice, On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:56:32 +0200, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote: Great composition, great background, great colors... Thanks! Colored spots in almost each drop catch my eye... Was this intentional? More or less, allthough it is hard to predict the exact outcome ... Do you know what they come from? Yes, the popup-flash (on the *istD) that I just as fill-in light. That also makes the background a bit darker, giving better contrast of the web against the treebranches behind it ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pearl web
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:23:53 +0200, Boris Liberman wrote: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=203 Jan, this one is clear winner! Thanks Boris! Print it big, will you? I may get a 30x45cm from this one :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pearl web
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:15:15 -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Stunning shot, Jan simply a beauty Thanks Ann! Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
At 01:23 PM 11/10/2006, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Stakeout At 12:27 PM 11/10/2006, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian The original movie is on tonight... Sigh... Pentax LX with action finder What a beautiful camera ;-) Some day, if you like, I'll mount the LX with action finder to the 600 and take a picture of it. I'll even use a K lens if you like. That's not possible is it? What with Penatx rendering K lenses useless and all. Shite. Now you have challenged me. Damn. Now I have to find my action finder. I'm a little short of K lenses. Would a 50/1.4 be OK? Oh, alright. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re:PDML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 149 (Welcome back)
Hi Peter, Long time no see. Some folks were looking for you a while ago. Dark suits and funny accents 8-) Have you moved to Japan? mike - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pearl web
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:49:11 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote: Great shot, Jan! Thanks Bruce! Love the different size droplets. Yes this one was special, lots of little ones looking like small pearls and a few larger ones that act as small lenses ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey rude post, you've been warned
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 03:24:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey rude post, you've been warned - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: The JCO survey Honestly, I don't think I'd consider a K1D without an aperture simulator. I'm not paying $2000CDN+ snippage for a body that lacks full compatibility with K mount glass... It would have to give great head for me to buy it without an aperture stimulator. Now we know the real reason why you didn't need 6x7. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
You _know_ what the answer is. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 03:47:37 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ebay risk and protection Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
So what happens when the lens is a zoom? Such as the A 70-210/4? What focal length do you put in? http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/product/K100D%20Manual.pdf According to page 49 of the K100D's manual, you'd set it to the long end of the zoom, or the closest option the camera provides (in this case, 200mm). I wasn't sure, so I looked it up. Makes sense to me. John Celio P.S.: I think someone needs to make an all-inclusive Pentax Wiki, including everything from early Asahiflex cameras to 6x7, 110, the Optio line, and dSLRs. There's a ton of info out there, but it's all spread out and hard to find. Any takers? I'd love to help, but all I know is basic HTML. -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pearl web
Hi John, On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:22:20 -0700, John Celio wrote: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=203 Nice! Thanks John! It's now my desktop wallpaper. :) Hehe ;-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pearl web
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:35:34 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Fabulous. Great work. Nicely exposed, beautifully framed. Thanks Paul! Taken a few weeks back in Bavaria, arround 9 in the morning when it was still a bit foggy, awaiting a beautiful september morning ... http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=203 Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pearl web
Hi Bill, On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:42:56 -0600, William Robb wrote: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=203 Nice! It's now my desktop wallpaper. :) HAR Mine to. Thanks for the compliment :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Yes, sadly I do. Damn. :) - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection You _know_ what the answer is. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 03:47:37 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ebay risk and protection Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 05:22:15 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey False, mechanical can be more reliable Than electronic in some sitations. It all depends on Good engineering. Bad engineering is what causes Problems, not necessarily whether its Mechanical or electronic. Can be more reliable is not the same thing as is more reliable. I own three Pentax LX camera bodies. This is the best camera they made, apparently All three have needed service because of flakey metering components. Either the ISO resistor or the aperture simulator resistor has been faulty on all three of my cameras. On one of them, this has been a multiple repair issue. Can be more reliable? whisper Those are electronic components... /whisper - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Sorry for my cockup!
I realised that I had included all of the appropriate digest .. ..which may have made matters awkward for some of you I therefore unreservedly apologise. Rgds Peter Camera Direct 2054-10 Kida Kajiki-cho Kagoshima-ken Japan 899-5241 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Flash brackets
That's what I thought. I have a huge StroboFrame Pro flash bracket for my 6x7 that flips, but I always used it with a PC cord and my AF 400T. The Sigma 500 Super that I use with my D most of the time has no PC connection. The StroboFrame Pro is overkill for the D, so I was thinking of getting a small bracket like the one you've shown here. Paul On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:09 PM, John Celio wrote: Will it work with a flash that has no PC connector? Does it allow cabling from hotshoe to hotshoe? Every flash bracket I've ever seen will support a camera and/or flash that has either a normal hot shoe or PC socket. It works like this: A bracket must have a shoe of some sort, in order to hold the flash. All you need to make the flash connect to the camera is an off-camera TTL cable like the one I own (http://tinyurl.com/ksb7t). The cable sits on the camera's hot shoe, and the other end is placed between the flash and the bracket's flash shoe. The final setup should look something like this: http://www.camerahobby.com/Images/Technical/ProT2.jpg When you flip the flash over into the vertical shooting position, it looks like this: http://www.camerahobby.com/Images/Technical/ProT3.jpg Notice the flash head is directly above the lens in both configurations, and most brackets allow for various adjustments to get the alignment perfectly set. Most pro photographers I met at my old job who used flash had a setup like this. There are dozens of brackets out there, including some which rotate the camera, not the bracket or flash, to achieve horizontal and vertical shooting positions. In my opinion, if you're shooting with flash frequently, you can't go wrong with a flip-able flash bracket. Heck, I only use my bracket once or twice a year, but it's worth it. The portrait I posted as a PESO a few weeks back (http://www.neovenator.com/special/c_and_t.jpg) was shot with my AF540FGZ and my FlashFrame bracket. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D- anybody bought one?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, multiple autofocus points are useful for a variety of reasons. I use the selective position and move the point around as needed. For verticals of people on the street, I'll use the top center point for example. I'm rarely right in the middle. I use it for upright portraits on the MZ-S. Very handy. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: what you Have is brain damage if you cant understand my point on this. Asshole. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Forget it. Very high risk. Paul On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Flash brackets
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, John Celio wrote: I'm not interested in the stroboframe style stuff (too big /heavy / bulky) If by stroboframe style you mean a bracket that allows the flash to flip between positions, I'd like to try to explain why they're better than flash-on-a-stick brackets. Indeed they have technical advantages, but for an amateur in amateur uses they look extremely OTT. Well, they are OTT anyway, that's the point :-) You can say that's the case with any grip, but to the same extent? How secure is yours with heavier flashes? Grip brackets like the Pentax model you mention are a little bit smaller, but they're very limited. If you turn your camera 90 degrees to the left to shoot a vertical frame, your flash is below your camera and will cast very odd shadows. Not an issue if you don't have a grip/use the grip's shutter button. Still you can turn it around. I can't compare the ease of doing that compared to the stroboframe style ones. The point to note with the Pentax bracket is that it is for the old 4P connectors and I have found that I must make sure my newer, 5P flash (AF500FTZ) does *not* sit properly on the contacts, or it flashes wierdly (from memory at full power). Of course this means that it's liable to slip. As for use, what I do is sit the 330 on a hotshoe adapter (it may fall off, do it at own peril) and use the 500 in contrast-control mode. You can do the same with the RTF instead of the 330. I expect this to pick up as a habit as my daughter now starts posing. My concern is (weird) two-point highlights on the eye; distance should be my friend in this. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
Yep, I've always metered sunsets with a spotmeter. Just pick out the portion of the sky that you want to have the density of a gray card and take your reading there. Bingo. Paul On Oct 11, 2006, at 12:41 AM, David Mann wrote: On Oct 11, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Bob W wrote: That's true, and it's why a combined meter (or 2 meters) is useful, but it's very rare to be shooting a landscape and not be able to find somewhere nearby where you can take a reading. Personally I prefer spot metering as I can get a better indication of the dynamic range of the scene. I've also often been in situations where the local light is different to the distant light, and I don't want to overexpose the sunlit mountains in the background. Sunsets are also a bit awkward to measure with an ambient meter. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Doug Miles wrote: Too bad these things have sacrificed some useful speed in the interests of unnecessary compactness. You are making the assumption that MF is dead, which I don't think it is. Aesthetics are personal, but the 21 looks like it's just had an accident. Yeah, I know, what matters is the pictures how about the slow speed that Doug mentions and the distortion? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sorry for my cockup!
No need to apologize. They always say a hard man is good to find. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
On 10/11/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: what you Have is brain damage if you cant understand my point on this. Asshole. ...damage? Sounds unpleasant. Get well soon Paul. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
Let's try to play nice kiddies, please. - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Stakeout On 10/11/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: what you Have is brain damage if you cant understand my point on this. Asshole. ...damage? Sounds unpleasant. Get well soon Paul. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
Yes, caused by constant exposure to tedious, repetitious arguments from people who can't understand that not everyone will always agree with them. Very painful. But the kill file is the obvious cure. Too bad, sometimes he has something worthwhile to say. Paul On Oct 11, 2006, at 6:23 AM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: what you Have is brain damage if you cant understand my point on this. Asshole. ...damage? Sounds unpleasant. Get well soon Paul. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why do you say this? What makes you think they Cannot or will not ever add the feature or SOME OTHER Camera company will that uses the K mount? jco History. Even the last film camera was missing the simulator. Give it up John, it ain't happening. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: What is the most iPhoto-like software for PC?
iView MediaPro would do this very nicely, and it is cross-platform (Mac OS X and Windows). See http://www.iview-multimedia.com for details. But it isn't freeware or shareware. It's about $200 application. You get what you pay for. :-) Godfrey On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: My dad (a Windows user, btw) just got back from a 2-week trip to China. He said that between him and mom, they shot about 2,200 photos. Nevermind that I averaged about 500 shots PER DAY when I was in China in 2005, but... when Dad commented that he was thinking he was going to need a more high-powered machine down in Texas so that he could get through them all, my jaw dropped. He winters in Texas from January-March and he's thinking he won't even be done sorting through them by then! Now, with my Powerbook and iPhoto, I'd be through 'em in a week. This is a guy who is retired and has all day to sort and edit, but he clearly doesn't have the workflow down. What I'd like to find for hims is software that does this at the very least: 1. Drop all of the photos into the software (or point the software to the location of said photos) 2. Sort through thumbnails and come up with keepers (stays in the index) and nope (photos are removed from said index) 3. Double-click on thumbnail and the photo (or a copy thereof) is pulled up for editing/modification. He's got Photoshop 7 so hopefully this software would be compatible with using an external editor 4. (Bonus): Create a web gallery from the remaining, edited photos Is there something out there in the Freeware/Shareware domain that is moderately suited to the task? I want to see his photos as much as he wants me to see them, and the thought of this being a 5-month process (!!!) just kills me! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
New Thread!
Hey let's see how long it takes for JCO to hijack this thread! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net J. C. O'Connell wrote: But why do you claim that the GB is not a problem With KM? see my point? There is no need to give up The same AE that LX had with ALL pentax K lenses ever Made. Your we have DA/FA makes no sense, what you Have is brain damage if you cant understand my point on this. Just because they put out some new ones is no reason to disable the old ones without good cause and I don't believe there is one. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stakeout That was then. This is now. We have DA and FA lenses. On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Yes, isnt it funny how the same people who say the AE Doesn't matter with K/M lenses are the same ones who Raved about the fantastic AE in the LX ( which was Designed for K/M lenses ) 25 years ago? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stakeout On 11/10/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original movie is on tonight... Sigh... Pentax LX with action finder What a beautiful camera ;-) I was thinking about upgrading one of mine by ripping out the aperture feedback mech :-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
This is playing nice. Dave On 10/11/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try to play nice kiddies, please. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
:) - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Stakeout This is playing nice. Dave On 10/11/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try to play nice kiddies, please. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sorry for my cockup!
? I think the software automatically cuts it out now. I've deleted the post but I don't remember the whole thing being there and it's not in the archive. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 09:30:41 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Sorry for my cockup! I realised that I had included all of the appropriate digest .. ..which may have made matters awkward for some of you I therefore unreservedly apologise. Rgds Peter Camera Direct 2054-10 Kida Kajiki-cho Kagoshima-ken Japan 899-5241 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sorry for my cockup!
Mike's right, the digest text was chopped out. Cheers, Dave On 10/11/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? I think the software automatically cuts it out now. I've deleted the post but I don't remember the whole thing being there and it's not in the archive. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 09:30:41 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Sorry for my cockup! I realised that I had included all of the appropriate digest .. ..which may have made matters awkward for some of you I therefore unreservedly apologise. Rgds Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I saw this listing myself. There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on ebay... Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. China is the Wild West. These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. -Adam That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true category...a Pentax 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's about $2000 too cheap! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
By the way, anyone interested in the real-world impact of Pentax's removal of the aperture simulator would be advised to observe the reaction in places like DP Review and Imaging resource's Pentax SLR discussion boards. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
William Robb wrote: From: J. C. O'Connell Pentax clearly believes is not true. You don't know why they did it. Alternative reasons include forcing you to buy new lenses to get your basic lens functions back that the body is disabling for only $5.00 in cost savings. Why the frig else do you think they removed it? And where do you get this $5.00 number from? I keep asking you to prove your numbers, and you keep avoiding it. Why is this? The same reason he also keeps ignoring the fact that even the $5.00-per-camera underestimate adds up to big numbers when spread over an actual production run. It isn't economically justifiable to spend that money to sell an extra 100 cameras to the lunatic fringe. And I'd much rather see Pentax spend that money on RD and on some promotional efforts. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 10/11/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...the lunatic fringe. AKA: PDML. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Completely irrelevant for me. I have only one pre-A series lens and don't plan to buy any more. Put the development money into other things, or reduce the price by not having it. Spend the money producing a compact DA28mm f/2 (or faster) Limited lens and I'll spend the money on that happily. Godfrey On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Lon Williamson wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
attention marnie
marnie I sent a reply to your offlist note but AOL says that your mailbox is full. send me a note back when you've cleared it and I'll resend my response. godfrey on travel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
A conclusion I had reached. I WISH it were real, but there's no way I'd take the risk. - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection I saw this listing myself. There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on ebay... Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. China is the Wild West. These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. -Adam That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true category...a Pentax 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's about $2000 too cheap! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sorry for my cockup!
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, mike wilson wrote: I've deleted the post but I don't remember the whole thing being there If we are only talking about one post, the digest was not there. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: attention marnie
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I sent a reply to your offlist note but AOL says that your mailbox is full. MARNIE CLEAN OUT YOUR MAILBOX! - Traditional ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
mike wilson wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 05:22:15 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey False, mechanical can be more reliable Than electronic in some sitations. It all depends on Good engineering. Bad engineering is what causes Problems, not necessarily whether its Mechanical or electronic. Can be more reliable is not the same thing as is more reliable. I own three Pentax LX camera bodies. This is the best camera they made, apparently All three have needed service because of flakey metering components. Either the ISO resistor or the aperture simulator resistor has been faulty on all three of my cameras. On one of them, this has been a multiple repair issue. Can be more reliable? whisper Those are electronic components... /whisper Actually, they're electromechanical components. And the problems with them are typically mechanical. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
*istDL integrated flash with LumiQuest SoftScreen
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Re: Ebay risk and protection
Just ask the seller to use one of the established escrow services. If there really is a camera for sale this would protect you. Bob On Oct 11, 2006, at 8:29 AM, J and K Messervy wrote: A conclusion I had reached. I WISH it were real, but there's no way I'd take the risk. - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection I saw this listing myself. There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on ebay... Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. China is the Wild West. These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. -Adam That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true category...a Pentax 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's about $2000 too cheap! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed PM 12:34:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey mike wilson wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 05:22:15 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey False, mechanical can be more reliable Than electronic in some sitations. It all depends on Good engineering. Bad engineering is what causes Problems, not necessarily whether its Mechanical or electronic. Can be more reliable is not the same thing as is more reliable. I own three Pentax LX camera bodies. This is the best camera they made, apparently All three have needed service because of flakey metering components. Either the ISO resistor or the aperture simulator resistor has been faulty on all three of my cameras. On one of them, this has been a multiple repair issue. Can be more reliable? whisper Those are electronic components... /whisper Actually, they're electromechanical components. And the problems with them are typically mechanical. Fun spoiler. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Thanks, mike! ann mike wilson wrote: From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/10 Tue PM 10:31:34 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions mike wilson wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: mike wilson wrote: I'm using the new machine to do email now through mail2web and my old address but I'd rather be able to set up my old netscape 4.6 when I get the new connection. Now that you have the better machine and connection, you might bebetter off installing 7.2, which is the last of the proper Netscapes. Fully compliant and has extras like popup blockers and tabbed pages, which I am sure you will love. A few clicks to make it look like 4.6 8-))) .. Shout if you need a hand setting up. I'll be away for a week from Saturday. lol - That sounds like catch 22 :) no worries - I'll wait until you get back I'm guessing I can get 7.1 cheap ? Free download. http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/archive72x.jsp Download the 7.2 full installer. That drops the whole installation package on your hard drive. If you do the top one, it just loads an installation programme which than connects your machine to the netscape server to do the installation. Call me paranoid but I really don't like that. With your new connection, the full programme should download in a couple of minutes. NS8 is browser only 8-( - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I'd pass on that one for sure ann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harvest Moon
Bill, they all exude a passion. My reaction to your obvious enthusiasm for such personal experiences, is that it's to be envied. Left me smiling. If OK, I'd like to send the model airplane gallery to my RC inflicted brother.(?) Is that the Gilroy Garlic Festival? It can, but probably not to the same extent as your photo dependency. ;-))) Thanks, Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon I'll force myself to critique it if you'll provide the URL. I stiff drink might, also, help. ;-))) A stiff drink almost always helps. This doesn't make me an alcoholic, does it? Anyway http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/2006vacation.html Anyway, the dog pictures are probably the last ones you should look at. Check out the model airplane shots for sure. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
- Original Message - From: J and K Messervy Subject: Re: Stakeout Let's try to play nice kiddies, please. We haven't even got started yet. I'm still in amused mode. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey How much money will they lose on lost customers... They must figure none, or they would have figured out a way to leave the thing on the cameras. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Stakeout I don't want to sell them, In some small oblique way, I think we have our answer, kids. William Robb Sell them. They'll have one less dumb body to contend with. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Rather narrow? Either you don't know what AE with AE lock vs. AE lock only or your Just blowing smoke. Either way its bad for You. JCO Since you are calling it AE, you are already defining it as automatic exposure. William Robb I bet we get a definition of AE now -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
No, no, no! If you can not afford to loose the money you should bid on and pay for every doubtful item on ebay in the hope that you will be able to sell it at a profit. If you have plenty of money, you will bid only on sure things. This is the way it is, not the way it ought to be. That is why one person has money and the other doesn't in the first place. grin -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. Very simple, go for it if you are prepared to gamble and have the money to lose or forget about it if you don't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: attention marnie
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: marnie I sent a reply to your offlist note but AOL says that your mailbox is full. send me a note back when you've cleared it and I'll resend my response. godfrey on travel Yeah... sheesh Marnie, we're running out of space here! Don't make me clean it out for you! :-) (just kidding, that would be unethical...) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
Plus you'll get the advantage of having a Polaroid Test of whatever you're shooting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hadn't thought of that, I could always use my K10D (once it arrives). :) Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck I've been using my *ist-Ds as a light meter to shoot with my new Kodak Medalist. Those 6x9 exposures are just too expensive to waste. Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once I have a P6x7, I will probably not have a metering prism and will therefore need to purchase and use a handheld meter. Never having done this before (I started playing with photography well into the age of in-camera metering) I have little idea of what I need or how it works. If I'm largely going to be doing landscapes, am I right to assume that a reflective meter would be best? How much will a half decent meter set me back? It may be cheaper to buy a TTL metering prism. Any advice appreciated as hand held metering is a mystery to me! You might take a look at a point and shoot digital. Some of them have an exposure metering function. If you zoom the lens, you can narrow down the area you're metering. Although not as precise as a 1 degree spot meter, and perhaps not as accurate, it certainly would be a cost effective path to take. I've used the 750z in this capacity with my C220 quite a few times. Plus, if you run out of film you can keep shooting with the digicam! -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Thread!
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:13:51 +0100, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey let's see how long it takes for JCO to hijack this thread! :-) I think he's starting to tire. Or is that wishfull thinking? John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harvest Moon
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon Bill, they all exude a passion. My reaction to your obvious enthusiasm for such personal experiences, is that it's to be envied. Left me smiling. If OK, I'd like to send the model airplane gallery to my RC inflicted brother.(?) Please do. They were fun to do. I felt like a tail gunner trying to keep up with the things. Is that the Gilroy Garlic Festival? Hills Garlic Festival in New Denver, BC. It originated in Hills, which is just a little bit up the road, but they moved it to New Denver a few years ago, and left it there. New Denver is better equiped to handle the influx of people. Thanks for looking, and not ripping me too badly. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Obviously you haven't been reading the literature, or noticed that every manufacture with the expertise and manufacturing capability is trying to get into the DSLR business, if there weren't high profits, there wouldn't be new entrants to the field. There are also high costs so you won't see any small players getting involved. The fact that Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, etc. are entering the field alone should tell you that. Just because the store and sales employee don't see much of it doesn't mean it isn't there. I hate to say back in the good old days but what the hell. When the first wave of electronics began to replace mechanicals in SLRs in the late 1970s, I was selling cameras, damn I was young then. I made most of my income from Prize Money, manufactures would pay prizes for selling particular items, usually it was paid to the store, but the company I worked for passed most of it on to the employee. Cameras like the ME and the Minolta XD which replaced a lot of precision mechanical parts with electronics were quite profitable, based on the Prize Money paid out and we sold boat loads of them. I don't doubt that the same holds true of DSLRs. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The JCO survey I assume that as with most electronic equipment there's a 40 point profit margin built in initially. That may have changed since I last had anything to do with a company that owned their entire pipeline from production to sales but I doubt it. The whole reason to concentrate on DSLR's is that they aren't commodity items, like PS cameras, which is where margins are razor thin. Assuming 40% markup over cost I'd say they'll be making money when the price drops to $599-699. levels in about 6 months if they follow the model used in most of the electronics industry these days. By then most of the new RD should be recovered and the cost basis will be lower as well. When I was selling cameras, there was almost no profit at all in SLR cameras, from manufacturing right through to the seller. I don't see how anything has changed that way in the last 20 years. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: YouTube - The Pentax K10D (shake reduction)
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:04:43 +0100, Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjKijLOj9s Regular as a British Rail train. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 11/10/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, anyone interested in the real-world impact of Pentax's removal of the aperture simulator would be advised to observe the reaction in places like DP Review and Imaging resource's Pentax SLR discussion boards. Yeah most of them seem very well informed, not. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: The JCO survey whisper Those are electronic components... /whisper whisper I know, but they are what needs to go back into the camera to make John happy Actually, they are kind of electro-mechanical. /whisper William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: K100D Anti-shake Hi Bruce, The way it's been explained to me is that you have to set the focal length that you're going to use. The problem is that doing so slows you down if you're going to use the lens at other focal lengths - you've gotta keep changing the focal length, probably through a menu. Also, iirc, the focal lengths you have to choose from are quite specific, and with a zoom you can end up between those specific focal lengths, which may effect the results you can get. Mind you, I'm just guessing and doing a little remembering ... When I did my wee test to see if the anti-shake worked, I just put the camera onto the back of my A600/5.6 and went out and took pictures. I didn't know about inputting the focal length. I have not a clue about what the camera thought was mounted, but the antishake still worked marvelously. I don't know how big a deal inputting focal length will be in the big scheme of things, my guess is not very. For the record, here is the link again. Note, it is two exposures straight out of the camera, so the files are a bit big. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/antishake/ William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
You enter the focal length that you're using, or one shorter than then one you're using, (I can't imagine that a longer length will give good results). Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello John, So what happens when the lens is a zoom? Such as the A 70-210/4? What focal length do you put in? -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Completely irrelevant for me. I have only one pre-A series lens and don't plan to buy any more. That's where my logic departs. I could either have a whole bag-full of high-quality pre-A prime Pentax lenses as I do now, or I could have one high-quality F/FA/DA lens. The cost ratio is about 10:1. I cannot afford to buy a bag-full of $500-$1000 lenses. Most people are closer to Godfrey than to you and John on this one. Pentax knows this. William Robb Eh... I'm sure you're right. While I don't agree with JCO's flaming-style debating, I do agree with most of the points: - Canon FD/EOS comparisons aren't relevant because the new mount REQUIRED depricating the old one. The K-mount can easily allow for everything at the same time. - Arguing speculative dollar figures is pointless... nobody knows the true numbers. BUT, very cheap film cameras were sold for a very long time with these couplers in them... so they are not expensive to make if in the design to begin with. - The most disconcerting thing is quiet resignation of most folks on the PDML. Even though I'd love to see it, it's not happening, and that's just the way it's gonna be. Unified customer feedback is the best way of reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Cory Papenfuss Subject: Re: The JCO survey Completely irrelevant for me. I have only one pre-A series lens and don't plan to buy any more. That's where my logic departs. I could either have a whole bag-full of high-quality pre-A prime Pentax lenses as I do now, or I could have one high-quality F/FA/DA lens. The cost ratio is about 10:1. I cannot afford to buy a bag-full of $500-$1000 lenses. Most people are closer to Godfrey than to you and John on this one. Pentax knows this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I always go by the maxim If it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true Perhaps I miss a lot of bargains, but I doubt it. Incidentally the Chinese business people that I know would certainly NOT be charging a fraction of the going rate on Ebay. Peter On 10/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no! If you can not afford to loose the money you should bid on and pay for every doubtful item on ebay in the hope that you will be able to sell it at a profit. If you have plenty of money, you will bid only on sure things. This is the way it isy, not the way it ought to be. That is why one person has money and the other doesn't in the first place. grin -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller can't accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. Very simple, go for it if you are prepared to gamble and have the money to lose or forget about it if you don't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Cory Papenfuss wrote: That's where my logic departs. I could either have a whole bag-full of high-quality pre-A prime Pentax lenses as I do now, or I could have one high-quality F/FA/DA lens. The cost ratio is about 10:1. I cannot afford to buy a bag-full of $500-$1000 lenses. Don't call me, I 'll call you. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stakeout
When sensor prices fall low enough I expect to see Cosina package a classic K mount Voightlander 6mp DSLR. Maybe in the next 3 years. I wouldn't bet anything important on it, I have no idea if they're quirky enough to do it, but heck they produced the RD-1 with Epson, and probably made their money back. If they can build a K mount body and do the same thing it'll have to have a lower price point, sensor prices will have to be much lower. David Savage wrote: At 03:14 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Why do you say this? What makes you think they Cannot or will not ever add the feature... Recent history, i.e. *ist (film), *istD, *istDS, *istDS2, *istDL, K110D, K100D K10D. If it was going to happen it would have by now. ...or SOME OTHER Camera company will that uses the K mount? What, like Samsung? They're just repackaging Pentax cameras. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Stakeout At 01:17 PM 11/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I don't care what you think, its what I think. And that kinda' says it all. You can't have a rational discussion with someone if they can't accept, or even acknowledge, a differing point of view. How many K/M lenses do you have or had? As I've said 1 (M 50mm f1.7), which I use exclusively with my LX. I use my FA 50mm f1.4 with the D LX. If you don't have that many its not a big Deal but for me it is because I have a whole Bunch and I really like them. I don't want them Disabled in any way by a dumb body. Fine keep shooting film then. But if you want to shoot digital your going to have to swerve first because Pentax won't. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Howard Street
Jon, The sign makes the pic. The pic itself could use a little work, assuming that you can't shoot it again. The contrast range is very wide; might a polarizer have helped to take some of the glare off the pavement and the leaves? The dark areas on the right are blocked up, too. Playing with the shadows and highlights in PS or PE might improve things. Rick --- Jon Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What can you say, life in Ocracoke is just a little slower than elsewhere... except when the ferry is loading. This pic is Howard Street on Ocracoke Island on the North Carolina outer banks. Further PESOs from the outer banks will follow later. http://slacky.railyakuza.com/pics/obx2006/howardst.jpg Comments appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
The word you are looking for is you're (short for you are), not your. You keep making this error. It's time you learned to write your own (and probably only) language. Also, you mean it's, not its. John PS: Note the correct use of your. - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Rather narrow? Either you don't know what AE with AE lock vs. AE lock only or your Just blowing smoke. Either way its bad for You. JCO -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The JCO survey Obviously you haven't been reading the literature, or noticed that every manufacture with the expertise and manufacturing capability is trying to get into the DSLR business, if there weren't high profits, there wouldn't be new entrants to the field. There are also high costs so you won't see any small players getting involved. The fact that Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, etc. are entering the field alone should tell you that. Just because the store and sales employee don't see much of it doesn't mean it isn't there. I hate to say back in the good old days but what the hell. When the first wave of electronics began to replace mechanicals in SLRs in the late 1970s, I was selling cameras, damn I was young then. I made most of my income from Prize Money, manufactures would pay prizes for selling particular items, usually it was paid to the store, but the company I worked for passed most of it on to the employee. Cameras like the ME and the Minolta XD which replaced a lot of precision mechanical parts with electronics were quite profitable, based on the Prize Money paid out and we sold boat loads of them. I don't doubt that the same holds true of DSLRs. I started selling cameras at about the same time AF SLR cameras started coming out. There was tremendous price competition at the time, and everyone from the manufacturers right to the stores had to accept really slim margins. If you didn't, then the camera on the next shelf over that did the same thing for 5 bucks less was the one that sold. The real money back then was in lenses and accessories. Bodies were pretty much a loss leader to get some glass and flash units sold. I pay attention to the market, up until a few months ago, I was still part of that marketing machine. Were you? If SLRs were that profitable, where is Topcon, Miranda, Petri, Praktica, Zeiss, Rollei, Mamiya (35mm), and all the others that dropped by the wayside? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Re: The JCO survey
On 11/10/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They must figure none, or they would have figured out a way to leave the thing on the cameras. They simply got it wrong up front, the green button kludge presented for the *ist D was a concession without necessitating a complete loss of face. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Cory Papenfuss Subject: Re: The JCO survey Eh... I'm sure you're right. While I don't agree with JCO's flaming-style debating, I do agree with most of the points: - Canon FD/EOS comparisons aren't relevant because the new mount REQUIRED depricating the old one. The K-mount can easily allow for everything at the same time. Johns arguement is, by his own admission, based on support for old equipment. Canon had to change mounts, but anyone who bought new FD glass just before the EOS system was introduced could not buy a new camera body from anyone that would support their glass within a couple of years. Canon plain and simply bailed on that user base. - Arguing speculative dollar figures is pointless... nobody knows the true numbers. BUT, very cheap film cameras were sold for a very long time with these couplers in them... so they are not expensive to make if in the design to begin with. - The most disconcerting thing is quiet resignation of most folks on the PDML. Even though I'd love to see it, it's not happening, and that's just the way it's gonna be. Unified customer feedback is the best way of reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. Some people say it is trivial, logic dictates that if it was trivial, then the feature would not have been dropped. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
1. you are assumeing that these DSLRs will never need service 2. can be more reliable means just that. A pair of pliers has moving parts, when was the last time you had a pair that didn't work? 3. Yes moving parts eventually wear out, but that's no reason to remove key features of a camera because some part may wear out someday. Your argument of stripping out key features just because it involves a moving part is silly, might as well get rid of the shutter too and shoot everything with your hand in front of the lens as the shutter too? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:22 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey False, mechanical can be more reliable Than electronic in some sitations. It all depends on Good engineering. Bad engineering is what causes Problems, not necessarily whether its Mechanical or electronic. Can be more reliable is not the same thing as is more reliable. I own three Pentax LX camera bodies. This is the best camera they made, apparently All three have needed service because of flakey metering components. Either the ISO resistor or the aperture simulator resistor has been faulty on all three of my cameras. On one of them, this has been a multiple repair issue. Can be more reliable? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
For general photography an incident light meter will provide you with the most consistent results, if you bother to learn how to use it. It will be easier to use than a spotmeter, and more accurate then a a built in meter. Every incident meter I have ever owned could also be used as a reflective meter as well. Several of us have said this, over and over, over the years here on the list. But of course techno-geeks will continue to insist that a 1 degree spotmeter is best (it is, in those 2% of cases where nothing else will work, in which case I just use my best guess), but you need ten minutes to get your readings and determine the best possible exposure, plus you need to be able to recognize various tonalities to read. I can recommend from personal experience (I have never owned a Gossen or Minolta) the Weston Master series of meters --old-old--, the Vivitar 250XL --old-- (do not use it in the cold, the dial motor draws too much current and burns out the IC, otherwise it was my favorite of the all meters I've ever owned), the Sekonic Studio meter --old to current-- (I am on my 3rd one now. No they aren't unreliable, I just wind up selling them thinking I am going to get something better), the Sekonic L-308B (mine is dead, after 10-12 years) my second favorite of all the meters I have owned. Note: both the L-308 and the 250XL had flash capability which was very important to me when I was a working photographer. You will note that all of those except the L-308B have analog dials, the advantage of the L-308 is that is is shit pocket sized which overcomes the lack of an analog dial a bit. The advantage of the analog dial is that you can see all the shutter-speed/f-stop combinations without having to juggle them in your head. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hadn't thought of that, I could always use my K10D (once it arrives). :) Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck I've been using my *ist-Ds as a light meter to shoot with my new Kodak Medalist. Those 6x9 exposures are just too expensive to waste. Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once I have a P6x7, I will probably not have a metering prism and will therefore need to purchase and use a handheld meter. Never having done this before (I started playing with photography well into the age of in-camera metering) I have little idea of what I need or how it works. If I'm largely going to be doing landscapes, am I right to assume that a reflective meter would be best? How much will a half decent meter set me back? It may be cheaper to buy a TTL metering prism. Any advice appreciated as hand held metering is a mystery to me! You might take a look at a point and shoot digital. Some of them have an exposure metering function. If you zoom the lens, you can narrow down the area you're metering. Although not as precise as a 1 degree spot meter, and perhaps not as accurate, it certainly would be a cost effective path to take. I've used the 750z in this capacity with my C220 quite a few times. Plus, if you run out of film you can keep shooting with the digicam! -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Unified customer feedback is the best way of reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen. Cory Papenfuss wrote: Completely irrelevant for me. I have only one pre-A series lens and don't plan to buy any more. That's where my logic departs. I could either have a whole bag-full of high-quality pre-A prime Pentax lenses as I do now, or I could have one high-quality F/FA/DA lens. The cost ratio is about 10:1. I cannot afford to buy a bag-full of $500-$1000 lenses. Most people are closer to Godfrey than to you and John on this one. Pentax knows this. William Robb Eh... I'm sure you're right. While I don't agree with JCO's flaming-style debating, I do agree with most of the points: - Canon FD/EOS comparisons aren't relevant because the new mount REQUIRED depricating the old one. The K-mount can easily allow for everything at the same time. - Arguing speculative dollar figures is pointless... nobody knows the true numbers. BUT, very cheap film cameras were sold for a very long time with these couplers in them... so they are not expensive to make if in the design to begin with. - The most disconcerting thing is quiet resignation of most folks on the PDML. Even though I'd love to see it, it's not happening, and that's just the way it's gonna be. Unified customer feedback is the best way of reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. -Cory -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
