Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
Bob Shell wrote: Well, I sure don't want to do that! Besides, I need the final product to be a searchable Word file. If your criteria are that you want the final document to be a Word file with exactly the same formatting as the original document, I'm afraid that the nature of word-processor documents makes converting between formats with guaranteed preservation of formatting virtually impossible to achieve. You will either have to compromise on one or both criteria, or manually fiddle with margins, font sizes and spacing parameters after the conversion. S -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today
More of a Cotex. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/30 Thu AM 12:37:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today So is it a Penton or a Canex ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today On 11/29/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, now yer cookin ;-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/a85ineos.html Nice Photoshop job, mate! :) -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/29 Wed PM 11:12:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Way OT: File conversion problem On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:15 PM, j wrote: Get a copy of Open Office which is free.There is a Mac version and a Windows version and they both will open Word Perfect filesJ Took a while but I eventually got it installed and working. Problem is this, it will open the files just fine and will let me save them in a number of different file formats that I can read in Word. But it loses the page formatting. These are documents with hundreds of pages, so when I go to page 170, line 3, in my converted file it has to be exactly the same as the original if we are going to converse about these. Any thoughts on how to make that happen? I've tried several of the formats and they all do this, but don't change the file in the same way. All produce a very different page count from the original. Rather than page count, can you just use line count? The WP user should be able to number lines, iirc, so if you can there is a common measurement. Depends if your loss of page format also moves the line numbers. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D extended bracketing
From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/30 Thu AM 04:31:41 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: K10D extended bracketing Has anyone else noticed this extended bracketing feature? It's interesting from a technical standpoint. I'm not sure if I have a use for it, but someone probably does. In a nutshell you can choose to bracket the white balance, sharpness, contrast, or saturation. The interesting part is that the camera only takes one shot. It follows up with three conversions and you get the three resulting jpegs stored on your memory card. Personally, I'd more likely just shoot raw and do the conversion later, but I think it's an interesting feature. Can anyone think of a situation where they might have found this useful? The only use I can think of is for pro's, shooting, for example, sports. Anything where you have one chance for the shot and have to move it on with minimum processing. It's actually an excellent tool for that purpose - looks like the big P is beginning to aim high. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Love - was: Two hours at f/8
Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think of Love? A rather mixed bag. As a former audio engineer, I've always found it interesting and quite fun to listen to the individual instruments or voices of a multi-track recording. That's basically what the a capella version of Because is all about. If I'll retain something from this album, then what brilliant vocalists they were. Becomes even more obvious here than in some of the original versions. Then again, to someone who has grown up with French pop music, those funny a gogo transitions between titles sound too much like Laurent Voulzy, a French pop singer who came to fame by doing medleys of famous pop and rock songs (Rockollection) with quite similar transitions, in the 70s. An entertaining curiosity but nothing that will really make it into music history. I enjoyed it but it I'll always prefer the original versions. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Debating *istDS or K100D
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/29 Wed PM 11:10:58 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Debating *istDS or K100D On 11/29/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My friend Mike Chan bought one snip You have friends? cheers, frank g his mother probably secretly pays people to be his friends Probably? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re[2]: PESO: Soft High key
Hello All, Thanks to You for comments. BD My sentiments, too. It is something I would further explore. BD Bruce I do think that It worth to be explored. BL Yuriy, I definitely like what I see. Perhaps going for uniform BL background could be an option. You did make me miss my 85/2.8 soft BL lens ;-). BL Boris I agreee with You. I did not know that You have missed Your soft lens. When I desided to buy this soft lense I looked a lot to Your photos :) Especially I love one with the newspaper. It is just very good photo and very good job by soft lense too. Yuriy. -- Best regards, daomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: My first K10D shots
I was impressed with the detail. Thanks for looking. Dave On 11/30/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the detail! Ring on the firehose, sailboat masts, rust on the step... Regards, Bob S. On 11/29/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Everyone, As mentioned previously I picked up my K10D today. After work I spent an hour familiarising myself dialing it in, I then headed down to the harbour to take it for a test spin. (Apologies for the lack of a proper web page. I'm tired and can't be stuffed putting one together right now :-) Fire Hose K10D, FA 77mm f1.8 Ltd., ISO 100, 1/1000 @ f4.5 (800x536 pix ~115kb) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0013_2.jpg (3176x2126 pix ~1M) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0013_lrg.jpg South Mole: K10D, FA 77mm f1.8 Ltd., ISO 200, 1/750 @ f4 (800x536 pix ~91kb) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0022.jpg (3872x2952 pix ~1.3M) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0022_lrg.jpg Lighthouse Entrance: K10D, FA 77mm f1.8 Ltd., ISO 200, 1/200 @ f5 (800x536 pix ~109kb) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0027.jpg (3872x2952 pix ~1.3M) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0027_lrg.jpg The light was a bit ordinary but I think they turned out alright. Comments, criticisms, yawns all welcome. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
As I mentioned yesterday, the store where I got my K10D ordered 12 and only got 1. The manager wasn't happy I can tell you. Interesting... apparently the store here (in Adelaide) I got mine from ordered 50 and got 12. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K10D List Penetration
Well I've been lurking here for a few weeks while waiting impatiently for my K10D to arive. It did, right in the time-range that Amazon promised. It's my first DSLR -- up to about twenty years ago I shot with a Nikon F and a Linhof 45s (the least expensive Linhof ever made, but still a Linhof). Then I decided all my work was crap and sold everything except my negatives. But looking back, what I really had started to hate was darkroom work. A couple of years ago the bug bit me again and I bought a Canon S60 PS. I have been researching and studying DSLRs ever since, and, to make a long story short, all previous cameras had something wrong with them--too expensive, too few pixels, not ergonomic enough, etc., etc. But I was unable to resist the allure of the K10D. I received it Teusday evening; so far, it's everything I expected, and more. With the comments I had read about the 'large size', I was surprised to find it smaller than the Nikon F, although I am going on memory here rather than direct comparison. So, I think I need to go shoot something. Steve Farnham And, besides myself, is anyone else making the K10D their first DSLR? -Brendan (wondering now how he's lived without it!?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
I think a lot of folks are keeping them as backup. I had two *istD, but sold one several months ago. I wanted to beat the introduction, so I'd get a decent price. I got $672 for camera and grip on ebay. Paul On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Markus Maurer wrote: But it has not translated into a huge ForSale list yet with older digital and analog bodies? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: K10D list penetration One week after the K10D first showed up in the stores, it looks like somewhere around 20 list members have purchased one. Perhaps double that number would have one if they could get one. This has to at least double the penetration of any other Pentax camera that has been released in the seven years I've been around here. Very interesting. I'm eager to see where it goes. However, I know dealers are saying they just can't get enough cameras. That's bound to be a problem for some time to come. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
FWIW, a salesperson at the Norwegian distributor commented that they haven't seen this much interest in a new Pentax model since the introduction of LX. Jostein On 11/30/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One week after the K10D first showed up in the stores, it looks like somewhere around 20 list members have purchased one. Perhaps double that number would have one if they could get one. This has to at least double the penetration of any other Pentax camera that has been released in the seven years I've been around here. Very interesting. I'm eager to see where it goes. However, I know dealers are saying they just can't get enough cameras. That's bound to be a problem for some time to come. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K10D Grip
Hi all, I just got an email from Adorama; the grip I ordered with my K10D which was in back order has been shipped. I may receive it tomorrow Friday or on Monday. It may be that they have it in stock. Angel Ramos Arecibo, Puerto Rico -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Got Mine today
I do believe it, and it isn't fair, but the universe is like that sometimes. Dave On 11/30/06, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you believe a good friend of mine who is definitely _not_ into photography waltzed in to a local camera store, had a look at the K100D (at my suggestion), didn't like the fact that they would only sell it with a Sigma lens, and so now has a K10D + Pentax 18-55 waiting to be picked up tomorrow! Tain't fair John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Got Mine today At 12:00 PM 30/11/2006, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: K.Takeshita Subject: Re: Got Mine today Hey, our friends south of the border, this thread title began to bother me! How come you guys get the toy before us? Did we do something wrong to you? Are Pentax discriminating us? Ken, Pentax is using the Americans as Beta testers prior to the final release of the camera. Add Australians to that list also. Way further south of the border. Dave (Happy beta tester :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
Paul Stenquist wrote: I think a lot of folks are keeping them as backup. I'll end up keeping my K100D as a backup. The ist-D is arguably the better camera of the two in at least a few ways. However once I started using the larger (and in my opinion more reliable) LCD on the back of the K100D, the ist has had a hard time competing to get back in the line-up. In addition to that, I apparently stink at hand holding just about any focal length, so the K100D and its SR feature win hands down for that reason as well. Jerome But it has not translated into a huge ForSale list yet with older digital and analog bodies? greetings Markus Jerome Reyes Photography http://exposedfilm.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
Pentax offers two manuals. There's a PDF that you can download or you can order a real manual which they'll ship to you along with a bill for about $6.00. http://tinyurl.com/ym9wsc http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh. I don't think so re manual. I wonder if they have one online? Will do re upgrade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
Oh, almost forgot, here's the firmware upgrade: http://tinyurl.com/bzbdx http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/show_firmware?firmId=3 Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will do re upgrade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
Oh, you may want to consider the manual for the DS2. The firmware upgrades change some things in the DS menu, and make the camera more like the DS2. Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff Pentax offers two manuals. There's a PDF that you can download or you can order a real manual which they'll ship to you along with a bill for about $6.00. http://tinyurl.com/ym9wsc http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh. I don't think so re manual. I wonder if they have one online? Will do re upgrade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The momentous day is here
Dave, You need something faster than film! Then you could send us a picture of the bike. :-) Regards, Bob S. On 11/30/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just picked up my K10D, the battery is charging (oh torture) and I'm stuck at my desk (did someone mention torture) but I'll be playing with it as soon as the battery is charged. On a similar theme, I picked up my new bike today and it's raining :( If only I had a K10D to take photos of it... - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
Marnie, Welcome 1/2 way back. :-) (Actually, it's good to have multiple brand users with us.) Like Shel says, you should do a little software upgrade to the latest. At the same time, order a DS2 manual from Pentax ($6). Regards, Bob S. On 11/29/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OT? LOL I'm sure you'll like the little bugger. It's a great introduction to Pentax digital photography. A few of us here can help you sort through the menus and the operation. Did you get a manual? Be sure to update the firmware to the latest version, which then gets you some DS2 features and allows the use of larger SD cards. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup. KEH. Good price. The prices on the *istD there are really low now, BTW. I wanted one with a faster write and a bigger buffer, so I went with the DS. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
I normally put all small stuff that are shipped with the camera which are not going to be used except on a special occasion inside the Camera ( or whatever it is) box it came in. I keep all boxes in safe place. Angel Ramos Arecibo, Puerto Rico Perry Pellechia wrote: As luck would have it all three packages with my; K10D from Amazon, 4GB SD card from Newegg and the grip from BH all arrived at the same time. I am anxiously waiting for the battery to charge but I am fondling my new toy. The K10D is pretty big sitting next to the *istD. The accessory grip feels a lot bigger in comparison to the grip for the D. The D-BG2 is thicker and has a much more squared contour at the bottom that the D-BG1. While not uncomfortable it is not as nice to hold as the D in portrait orientation. I have pretty small hands and find the D pretty comfortable to use. The K10D is rather roomy by itself. With the grip it feels much larger that the D. For all the D owner who are worrying about the fit and finish compared to the D. I will agree with the other comment. The K10D is fairly equal to the D in build quality. One thing I do not like about the K10D build is the rubber cover for the grip contacts. The sliding door on the D is a better solution. I am afraid the rubber cover (which has to be completely removed to fit the grip) is going to be lost. If anyone wants side by side shots let me know. Perry. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG
Thanks Ken! I've been monitoring weather ... Gotta get some of it along the way!! It's overcast outside now. More movement shortly... Godfrey On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: There's a weather front moving eastward, ranging as far south as Memphis. We in Michigan are expecting lot of rain some snow. Hope this doesn't effect your westward trip. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
Someone here confused Word with WordPerfect - these are entirely two different software products, from different vendors! Or actualy were, because I believe WordPerfect has not had upgrades for a looong time. B. Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, Microsoft Word v1.0 was released first on Macintosh in 1985. Godfrey On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Word obviously predates the Mac but I don't think it predates the Apple //. However, the most popular word processor on the early Apples was Quark's Word Juggler. In the early years, it required the installation of a special chip on the mother board, but it really worked great. I used it for six or seven years. I still wouldn't mind writing with it. It did everything I ever needed to do for manuscript production. Paul On Nov 29, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Bob W wrote: Word pre-dates (I won't write 'predates'...) Apple doesn't it? I think the original version was developed for the Star. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shell Sent: 29 November 2006 21:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Way OT: File conversion problem Word is from Office X. I haven't a clue what version of WordPerfect these people use, but probably latest version. Bob On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: What version of Wordperfect, what version of Word? Bob Shell wrote: I'm on a Mac running OS 10.4.8 . Someone sent me some documents I need to work with, but they sent them in WordPerfect format. I need to convert them to something I can read and search. It would seem obvious that someone ought to make a WordPerfect to Word converter for Mac, but so far I haven't turned one up in my Google searches. Anyone here know of a way to do this? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
On Nov 30, 2006, at 3:41 AM, mike wilson wrote: Rather than page count, can you just use line count? The WP user should be able to number lines, iirc, so if you can there is a common measurement. Depends if your loss of page format also moves the line numbers. Unfortunately the pages have the lines numbered, starting at 1 on each page. I've pretty much concluded that there is no simple way to do what I need to do. I guess I'll have to experiment with line length and page size until I get something that will work. Thanks to all for the great suggestions! Bob Shell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Way OT: File conversion problem
1. If one has to exchange documents (often) and want to keep the formating as good as possible one has at least to install the exact same printer driver as the creator (or target computer) and the same fonts. (The used printer driver information is embedded into the document in Word and others and can be discovered for ex. with a hex editor). Otherwise, the documents will be reformatted. Margins on a laser and for example a inkjet differ a lot as do font substitutes. 2. There are professional converters for text and spreadsheets for PC and Mac like Conversion pro which will also do batch processing. 3. Designing your own word processor or printer driver copy by patching it was really something special under the good old WordStar ;-) I still have a book patching WordStar from that time. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bronek Kozicki Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:45 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Way OT: File conversion problem Someone here confused Word with WordPerfect - these are entirely two different software products, from different vendors! Or actualy were, because I believe WordPerfect has not had upgrades for a looong time. B. Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, Microsoft Word v1.0 was released first on Macintosh in 1985. Godfrey On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Word obviously predates the Mac but I don't think it predates the Apple //. However, the most popular word processor on the early Apples was Quark's Word Juggler. In the early years, it required the installation of a special chip on the mother board, but it really worked great. I used it for six or seven years. I still wouldn't mind writing with it. It did everything I ever needed to do for manuscript production. Paul On Nov 29, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Bob W wrote: Word pre-dates (I won't write 'predates'...) Apple doesn't it? I think the original version was developed for the Star. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shell Sent: 29 November 2006 21:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Way OT: File conversion problem Word is from Office X. I haven't a clue what version of WordPerfect these people use, but probably latest version. Bob On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: What version of Wordperfect, what version of Word? Bob Shell wrote: I'm on a Mac running OS 10.4.8 . Someone sent me some documents I need to work with, but they sent them in WordPerfect format. I need to convert them to something I can read and search. It would seem obvious that someone ought to make a WordPerfect to Word converter for Mac, but so far I haven't turned one up in my Google searches. Anyone here know of a way to do this? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
Steve Jolly wrote: If your criteria are that you want the final document to be a Word file with exactly the same formatting as the original document, I'm afraid that the nature of word-processor documents makes converting between formats with guaranteed preservation of formatting virtually impossible to achieve. You will either have to compromise on one or both criteria, or manually fiddle with margins, font sizes and spacing parameters after the conversion. Sometimes it's not even possible to maintain the pagination of a Word document if the default printer on two machines is different but everything else is the same. If it's absolutely, positively, got to be identically laid out for all users, use PDF. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
I'm in the process of revising a 72,000 word document. I had a professional proofreader check the same document at an earlier date. Unfortunately, due to subsequent revisions that I made, my latest version doesn't match the proofreader's marked-up version in page numbering or even line count. I'm using Word's Edit/Find function to locate the text I need. With some practice, this method becomes quite efficient. Paul On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Bob Shell wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 3:41 AM, mike wilson wrote: Rather than page count, can you just use line count? The WP user should be able to number lines, iirc, so if you can there is a common measurement. Depends if your loss of page format also moves the line numbers. Unfortunately the pages have the lines numbered, starting at 1 on each page. I've pretty much concluded that there is no simple way to do what I need to do. I guess I'll have to experiment with line length and page size until I get something that will work. Thanks to all for the great suggestions! Bob Shell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Trackside Portrait
On 11/30/06, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An informal portrait of a volunteer Corner Worker waiting out a full course caution during a recent race a Road Atlanta. http://nutdriver.org/ARRC06/IMGP3426.jpg Love it. Great light. I haven't been to a race since forever, but he looks so corner worker. Wonderful capture! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Way OT: File conversion problem
Sorry Doug I would not underwrite that statement. PDF has its merits and comes close but still differences may occur in print. For example if the used fonts are not embedded completely into the PDF for copyright or other reasons. I have a German book mit PDF ins Web from Thomas Merz explaining all that in detail. - If it's absolutely, positively, got to be identically laid out for all users, use PDF. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Way OT: File conversion problem
Of course not. Different printer drivers and font substitutes lead to reformating of the document. and now, back to photo topics for me ;-) greetings Markus -- Sometimes it's not even possible to maintain the pagination of a Word document if the default printer on two machines is different but everything else is the same. If it's absolutely, positively, got to be identically laid out for all users, use PDF. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm in the process of revising a 72,000 word document. I had a professional proofreader check the same document at an earlier date. Unfortunately, due to subsequent revisions that I made, my latest version doesn't match the proofreader's marked-up version in page numbering or even line count. I'm using Word's Edit/Find function to locate the text I need. With some practice, this method becomes quite efficient. Exactly what I am planning to do. But once I locate it I will have to go back to the original document and locate it there so I can cite page and line numbers. It sure would have been easier if I could have produced an exact match, but playing with margins and type sizes doesn't do it for me. I can get very close, but not an exact match. I decided to just get it as close as possible and live with it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Trackside Portrait
On 11/30/06, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An informal portrait of a volunteer Corner Worker waiting out a full course caution during a recent race a Road Atlanta. He doesn't have white coveralls? :-) Nice light. I've been tempted to bring a camera on-station with me when I'm working. I'll have to find a cheap digital that I don't mind trashing next year. Now to wait out the long cold winter until racing season next year. :-) -Mat (Mohawk Hudson region) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Speaking of Firmware
How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/board? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Debating *istDS or K100D
mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/29 Wed PM 11:10:58 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Debating *istDS or K100D On 11/29/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My friend Mike Chan bought one snip You have friends? cheers, frank g his mother probably secretly pays people to be his friends Probably? secretly? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. While I too am chuffed that Pentax seems to have got it right, I would not underestimate the value of the *ist digital cameras in this transition. If I am honest, the Ds still is the most appealing of the lot for me. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
--- Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, a salesperson at the Norwegian distributor commented that they haven't seen this much interest in a new Pentax model since the introduction of LX. Jostein Hum, I don't doubt that. It reminds me of the interest in the full frame sensor MZ-D when the (non-working) prototype was shown years ago. That's the last time I was really interested in a Pentax DSLR before the K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. -Brendan Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The RAW report
I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one. Given the choice of archiving my files in an opaque, proprietary format (PEF) or a publicly-specified and documented format (DNG) I'll pick DNG. I suspect more open-source software in the future will handle DNG; I'm not so sanguine about the long-term prospects for PEF. The fact that the PEF-to-DNG converter isn't open-source doesn't really bother me; after all, the firmware in the camera isn't open-source either. Trouble is I don't have a way to convert to DNG since I don't run Winders or MacOS, and writing my own is pointless for the aforementioned reasons. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
The manual is on line at http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/2006 8:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OT? LOL I'm sure you'll like the little bugger. It's a great introduction to Pentax digital photography. A few of us here can help you sort through the menus and the operation. Did you get a manual? Be sure to update the firmware to the latest version, which then gets you some DS2 features and allows the use of larger SD cards. Shel Uh. I don't think so re manual. I wonder if they have one online? Will do re upgrade. Looking forward to getting it. Marnie aka Doe I think I am so used to being OT, not having a Pentax, that just slipped out. LOL. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Debating *istDS or K100D
On 11/30/06, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/29 Wed PM 11:10:58 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Debating *istDS or K100D On 11/29/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My friend Mike Chan bought one snip You have friends? cheers, frank g his mother probably secretly pays people to be his friends Probably? secretly? How do you think Doug pays for the mail server? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
Remeber where you used to put the film? I think they decided they could put something else in that space. g Seriously, I have no idea. Interesting question. Maybe I'll take Christie's K100 apart after she goes to sleep tonight. On 11/30/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/board? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Display size?
Hit the F11 key in your web browser to hide the navigation toolbar's, and again to bring them back. Dave Thanks Dave -I never knew that ! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Display size? At 01:45 PM 30/11/2006, ann sanfedele wrote: Kenneth Waller wrote: I would suggest that you link to a thumbnail so folks who are still living in the computer stone age do not get stuck trying to download an image that takes 15 minutes. Also - FWIW - there really is no reason to post images bigger than 100/150 kb Kenneth Waller Well Im out of the dark age computer thing now - but I'm happiest with my screen set at - hmm what is it 1084 x whatever ... and given lnavigaton bars and such, even though I can download things faster I'd have to scroll to see all of anything much bigger than 800 x 600. ann Hit the F11 key in your web browser to hide the navigation toolbar's, and again to bring them back. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
Why is it more appealing that the K10D? Size?, high ISO? or is one of that obscure Flash functions that you seem to like? ;-) Jaume (who is trying to justify that his barely 1 year old Ds is already obsolete...or not) - Mensaje original De: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:01:24 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. While I too am chuffed that Pentax seems to have got it right, I would not underestimate the value of the *ist digital cameras in this transition. If I am honest, the Ds still is the most appealing of the lot for me. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The momentous day is here
If only I had a K10D to take photos of it... - Dave I expect to see a photo soon of that new bike. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The momentous day is here On Nov 30, 2006, at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just picked up my K10D, the battery is charging (oh torture) and I'm stuck at my desk (did someone mention torture) but I'll be playing with it as soon as the battery is charged. On a similar theme, I picked up my new bike today and it's raining :( If only I had a K10D to take photos of it... - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:44, Shel Belinkoff wrote: How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/ board? Time for someone to start disassembling their old camera! :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The momentous day is here
Good one ;) 2006/11/30, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dave, You need something faster than film! Then you could send us a picture of the bike. :-) Regards, Bob S. On 11/30/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just picked up my K10D, the battery is charging (oh torture) and I'm stuck at my desk (did someone mention torture) but I'll be playing with it as soon as the battery is charged. On a similar theme, I picked up my new bike today and it's raining :( If only I had a K10D to take photos of it... - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D extended bracketing
IMO it could be very useful for people like me (shame on me BTW) using their DSLR to take loads of pix but who have a very limited knowledge of the processing on the PC. If the K10D do it fine enough for me (RAW - JPEGS, WB etc.) in camera, I will use that more often than PS co. Of course that supposes I do not need features present in PS and not in the camera or that I do not how to use them (and I do not know for a lot of things). So I'm very curious about the in camera processing options. Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Display size?
David Savage wrote: At 01:45 PM 30/11/2006, ann sanfedele wrote: Kenneth Waller wrote: I would suggest that you link to a thumbnail so folks who are still living in the computer stone age do not get stuck trying to download an image that takes 15 minutes. Also - FWIW - there really is no reason to post images bigger than 100/150 kb Kenneth Waller Well Im out of the dark age computer thing now - but I'm happiest with my screen set at - hmm what is it 1084 x whatever ... and given lnavigaton bars and such, even though I can download things faster I'd have to scroll to see all of anything much bigger than 800 x 600. ann Hit the F11 key in your web browser to hide the navigation toolbar's, and again to bring them back. Dave one more thing to remember :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today
More of a Cotex. Duh ! ; } Obviously by Cotty Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today More of a Cotex. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/30 Thu AM 12:37:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today So is it a Penton or a Canex ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today On 11/29/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, now yer cookin ;-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/a85ineos.html Nice Photoshop job, mate! :) -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The predictable dpreview freakout....
It took, what, about one week? Posters to the forum built up expectations for the K10D to a fever pitch. Then the camera came out and the first impressions were wonderful. Pentax was Golden. Soon, pixel-peepers pushing the limits detected possible patterning in blue channel dark noise at 1600. The naysayers came out of the woodwork! It's horrible! Pentax will never fix it It's unusable! One irrational poster actually returned his camera because *someone else* reported a problem! Nutty, huh? Anyway, I think the arc of happiness/unhappiness was quite predictable. That kind of behavior has been a fixture on the Canon/Nikon forums for years. In a way, it is a sign that Pentax has hit the big time with the K10D. Me? I'm sure the K10D is a super camera. I'll probably get it or its successor at some point, but I like my *ist Ds (except for the name, of course). --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
Jaume, I think that camera becomes obsolete either when it breaks down or its performance deteriorates or if a new camera supersedes it in a dramatically significant fashion. For me - I am waiting to see if all this hype about 22 a/d and consequently enhanced dynamic range is indeed real. As such my *istD perfectly suits all my needs. Somehow I am sure that as long as your *istDS will be shooting straight - it will not expire. On 11/30/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it more appealing that the K10D? Size?, high ISO? or is one of that obscure Flash functions that you seem to like? ;-) Jaume (who is trying to justify that his barely 1 year old Ds is already obsolete...or not) - Mensaje original De: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:01:24 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. While I too am chuffed that Pentax seems to have got it right, I would not underestimate the value of the *ist digital cameras in this transition. If I am honest, the Ds still is the most appealing of the lot for me. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
Yes, the tripod socket on the grip does not line up with the socket on the camera. The socket on the camera looks like it is on optical center of the camera. The socket on the grip is offset by about 25mm. On 11/30/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I noticed that really bothers me is that the tripod hole seems not to be on the optical center line on the grip. Can you tell me if the hole is on the optical center line in the camera itself? Thanks, rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made some really quick snaps of the two camera with the grips on. I am a little disappointed with the design of the grip. In portrait orientation your right hand has to be set a lot higher than the viewfinder and it is a little bit awkward when compared to shooting with the D. I suppose that this has more to do with the size of the camera that the grip itself. http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry/k10dvd/ On 11/29/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds about the size of the D200 grip, which makes it about the asame size as its big sister the D2X. This grip i love. Dave Quoting Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As luck would have it all three packages with my; K10D from Amazon, 4GB SD card from Newegg and the grip from BH all arrived at the same time. I am anxiously waiting for the battery to charge but I am fondling my new toy. The K10D is pretty big sitting next to the *istD. The accessory grip feels a lot bigger in comparison to the grip for the D. The D-BG2 is thicker and has a much more squared contour at the bottom that the D-BG1. While not uncomfortable it is not as nice to hold as the D in portrait orientation. I have pretty small hands and find the D pretty comfortable to use. The K10D is rather roomy by itself. With the grip it feels much larger that the D. For all the D owner who are worrying about the fit and finish compared to the D. I will agree with the other comment. The K10D is fairly equal to the D in build quality. One thing I do not like about the K10D build is the rubber cover for the grip contacts. The sliding door on the D is a better solution. I am afraid the rubber cover (which has to be completely removed to fit the grip) is going to be lost. If anyone wants side by side shots let me know. Perry. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
It certainly doesn't appear to be. I checked it twice. I've always wondered why that is important to some people. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz One thing I noticed that really bothers me is that the tripod hole seems not to be on the optical center line on the grip. Can you tell me if the hole is on the optical center line in the camera itself? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
I've seen exploded and ghost pictures of a couple of DSLRs, and there weren't chip boards per se--the electronics were all on flexible boards or ribbons, and they wrap all over the place. Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/board? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
I know I haven't been following the PDML too closely over the past while, but is purchasing a DS *really* Off Topic these days? wow. dk On 11/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup. KEH. Good price. The prices on the *istD there are really low now, BTW. I wanted one with a faster write and a bigger buffer, so I went with the DS. I don't like shilly shallying around shopping. Actually I hate shopping, so I try to make up my mind fairly quickly. Not in my hands yet, but it will be fun to try out the Pentax glass I have when it arrives. I decided I could wait for SR until later when I will probably get the K10D. More important to me now than SR is seeing if I can get as good results (or almost as good) with the DS and some older Pentax glass as I have gotten with my 300D and expensive Canon glass. This is not a minor point as it will take big bucks when the new Pentax lenses come out to duplicate the Canon kit I have now. If I switch back completely, I can't outlay that much right away. It will definitely be incremental. :-) Thanks for everyone's input. Cough. I guess I am back in the Pentax fold. Part way anyway. 1/2 Lightside, 1/2 Darkside. Like that Star Trek episode. Wonder if I will be as conflicted as that guy was? Marnie aka Doe Probably. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
One thing I noticed that really bothers me is that the tripod hole seems not to be on the optical center line on the grip. Can you tell me if the hole is on the optical center line in the camera itself? Thanks, rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made some really quick snaps of the two camera with the grips on. I am a little disappointed with the design of the grip. In portrait orientation your right hand has to be set a lot higher than the viewfinder and it is a little bit awkward when compared to shooting with the D. I suppose that this has more to do with the size of the camera that the grip itself. http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry/k10dvd/ On 11/29/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds about the size of the D200 grip, which makes it about the asame size as its big sister the D2X. This grip i love. Dave Quoting Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As luck would have it all three packages with my; K10D from Amazon, 4GB SD card from Newegg and the grip from BH all arrived at the same time. I am anxiously waiting for the battery to charge but I am fondling my new toy. The K10D is pretty big sitting next to the *istD. The accessory grip feels a lot bigger in comparison to the grip for the D. The D-BG2 is thicker and has a much more squared contour at the bottom that the D-BG1. While not uncomfortable it is not as nice to hold as the D in portrait orientation. I have pretty small hands and find the D pretty comfortable to use. The K10D is rather roomy by itself. With the grip it feels much larger that the D. For all the D owner who are worrying about the fit and finish compared to the D. I will agree with the other comment. The K10D is fairly equal to the D in build quality. One thing I do not like about the K10D build is the rubber cover for the grip contacts. The sliding door on the D is a better solution. I am afraid the rubber cover (which has to be completely removed to fit the grip) is going to be lost. If anyone wants side by side shots let me know. Perry. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
I somehow agree, although for me there are 2 improvements in the K10D that can make my Ds look 'obsolete': - SR - Focus speed, specially in low light. On the other hand, in some cases I can take almost the same picture with my MX and with my MZ-5n despite its difference in production year. It is all about film and lens. This is no longer true with digital... in any case I would say. - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:33:53 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration Jaume, I think that camera becomes obsolete either when it breaks down or its performance deteriorates or if a new camera supersedes it in a dramatically significant fashion. For me - I am waiting to see if all this hype about 22 a/d and consequently enhanced dynamic range is indeed real. As such my *istD perfectly suits all my needs. Somehow I am sure that as long as your *istDS will be shooting straight - it will not expire. On 11/30/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it more appealing that the K10D? Size?, high ISO? or is one of that obscure Flash functions that you seem to like? ;-) Jaume (who is trying to justify that his barely 1 year old Ds is already obsolete...or not) - Mensaje original De: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:01:24 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. While I too am chuffed that Pentax seems to have got it right, I would not underestimate the value of the *ist digital cameras in this transition. If I am honest, the Ds still is the most appealing of the lot for me. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
Thats good. Thanks. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the tripod socket on the grip does not line up with the socket on the camera. The socket on the camera looks like it is on optical center of the camera. The socket on the grip is offset by about 25mm. On 11/30/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I noticed that really bothers me is that the tripod hole seems not to be on the optical center line on the grip. Can you tell me if the hole is on the optical center line in the camera itself? Thanks, rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made some really quick snaps of the two camera with the grips on. I am a little disappointed with the design of the grip. In portrait orientation your right hand has to be set a lot higher than the viewfinder and it is a little bit awkward when compared to shooting with the D. I suppose that this has more to do with the size of the camera that the grip itself. http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry/k10dvd/ On 11/29/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds about the size of the D200 grip, which makes it about the asame size as its big sister the D2X. This grip i love. Dave Quoting Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As luck would have it all three packages with my; K10D from Amazon, 4GB SD card from Newegg and the grip from BH all arrived at the same time. I am anxiously waiting for the battery to charge but I am fondling my new toy. The K10D is pretty big sitting next to the *istD. The accessory grip feels a lot bigger in comparison to the grip for the D. The D-BG2 is thicker and has a much more squared contour at the bottom that the D-BG1. While not uncomfortable it is not as nice to hold as the D in portrait orientation. I have pretty small hands and find the D pretty comfortable to use. The K10D is rather roomy by itself. With the grip it feels much larger that the D. For all the D owner who are worrying about the fit and finish compared to the D. I will agree with the other comment. The K10D is fairly equal to the D in build quality. One thing I do not like about the K10D build is the rubber cover for the grip contacts. The sliding door on the D is a better solution. I am afraid the rubber cover (which has to be completely removed to fit the grip) is going to be lost. If anyone wants side by side shots let me know. Perry. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D List Penetration
Steve. My comments on size (and I assume others as well) is solely based on comparison with the *ist D. The D (and DS, DL etc) is a very small camera compared to any (D)SLR, as opposed to the K10D being large. I do not think anyone will find the K10D too large. Enjoy your new camera! Perry. On 11/30/06, Steve Farnham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I've been lurking here for a few weeks while waiting impatiently for my K10D to arive. It did, right in the time-range that Amazon promised. It's my first DSLR -- up to about twenty years ago I shot with a Nikon F and a Linhof 45s (the least expensive Linhof ever made, but still a Linhof). Then I decided all my work was crap and sold everything except my negatives. But looking back, what I really had started to hate was darkroom work. A couple of years ago the bug bit me again and I bought a Canon S60 PS. I have been researching and studying DSLRs ever since, and, to make a long story short, all previous cameras had something wrong with them--too expensive, too few pixels, not ergonomic enough, etc., etc. But I was unable to resist the allure of the K10D. I received it Teusday evening; so far, it's everything I expected, and more. With the comments I had read about the 'large size', I was surprised to find it smaller than the Nikon F, although I am going on memory here rather than direct comparison. So, I think I need to go shoot something. Steve Farnham And, besides myself, is anyone else making the K10D their first DSLR? -Brendan (wondering now how he's lived without it!?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The predictable dpreview freakout....
Yeah, some are really getting on my nerves there and Phil Askey behaviour is not to make things simpler, really. 2006/11/30, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It took, what, about one week? Posters to the forum built up expectations for the K10D to a fever pitch. Then the camera came out and the first impressions were wonderful. Pentax was Golden. Soon, pixel-peepers pushing the limits detected possible patterning in blue channel dark noise at 1600. The naysayers came out of the woodwork! It's horrible! Pentax will never fix it It's unusable! One irrational poster actually returned his camera because *someone else* reported a problem! Nutty, huh? Anyway, I think the arc of happiness/unhappiness was quite predictable. That kind of behavior has been a fixture on the Canon/Nikon forums for years. In a way, it is a sign that Pentax has hit the big time with the K10D. Me? I'm sure the K10D is a super camera. I'll probably get it or its successor at some point, but I like my *ist Ds (except for the name, of course). --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
This isn't a Pentax, but here's the dissection of a 20D that the owner documented. I would imagine most DSLRs are similar. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissectionpage=all -P Shel Belinkoff wrote: How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/board? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
Well, I tend to agree with you. However for me both SR and AF are secondary, though of course on the paper K10D made many steps forward from *istD: 1. More pixels 2. Faster 3. Better AF 4. SR 5. Wider dynamic range (allegedly) 6. Weather proof 7. Dust removal in camera 8. Support for Pentax version of USM 9. Something else I probably forget So of course K10D is more advanced. But so is MZ-5n compared to MX. Yet like you said yourself, you can get excellent pictures from both cameras. Jaume, consider this. Suppose you have a certain style of shooting that does not change much over time. Suppose further that you have a certain maximal size of print that you ever decide to produce. Now, suppose that you have a camera (even digital one) that satisfies both your shooting style and produces excellent prints of your maximal size and of course all smaller sizes. Why then would you want to buy a new camera? I still maintain that *istD (I am not really familiar with other cameras of the same family) is perfectly suitable tool for hobbyist such as myself. I do admit that I am eyeing very seriously K10D 'cause if indeed it provides significant improvement of DR - it will be a deciding factor for me. And of course, if in due course Pentax will produce a firmware upgrade that will yield 16 bit RAW files - I may want to upgrade. Here is by the way some of the features I forgot to mention above - DNG support and better JPG engine. Cheers. On 11/30/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I somehow agree, although for me there are 2 improvements in the K10D that can make my Ds look 'obsolete': - SR - Focus speed, specially in low light. On the other hand, in some cases I can take almost the same picture with my MX and with my MZ-5n despite its difference in production year. It is all about film and lens. This is no longer true with digital... in any case I would say. - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:33:53 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration Jaume, I think that camera becomes obsolete either when it breaks down or its performance deteriorates or if a new camera supersedes it in a dramatically significant fashion. For me - I am waiting to see if all this hype about 22 a/d and consequently enhanced dynamic range is indeed real. As such my *istD perfectly suits all my needs. Somehow I am sure that as long as your *istDS will be shooting straight - it will not expire. On 11/30/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it more appealing that the K10D? Size?, high ISO? or is one of that obscure Flash functions that you seem to like? ;-) Jaume (who is trying to justify that his barely 1 year old Ds is already obsolete...or not) - Mensaje original De: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 30 de noviembre, 2006 17:01:24 Asunto: Re: K10D list penetration On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: K10D. It seems as though Pentax has gotten it right in the DSLR arena for those not sold on the ist cameras. I believe the K10D, and it's brethren the K100 and K110, were the tipping point for Pentax in the minds of many a camera shopper. Let's hope its sales live up to its hype. While I too am chuffed that Pentax seems to have got it right, I would not underestimate the value of the *ist digital cameras in this transition. If I am honest, the Ds still is the most appealing of the lot for me. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
Paul, recalling that camera is in a certain sense an extension of photographer's vision and photographer him or her self I feel distinctly Borg now, having looked at 20D innards. Taking such a thing to my eye in order to take a picture definitely makes me feel forward in 24th century. ;-). On 11/30/06, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a Pentax, but here's the dissection of a 20D that the owner documented. I would imagine most DSLRs are similar. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissectionpage=all -P Shel Belinkoff wrote: How much space does the computer chip/boards take up in the various Pentax DSLR's, both in terms of physical space and memory? Anyone know? Is there a schematic somewhere that shows the location and size of the chip/board? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Why is it more appealing that the K10D? First of all, I think the K10D (will be) responsible for millions of grins and gazillions (scientific term) of excellent pictures. It is a runaway success for a very good reason: it does what the people want. Size?, high ISO? or is one of that obscure Flash functions that you seem to like? ;-) All of the above. To me. I would miss the grip, but judging from the pictures of the K10D grip, it's too big and ugly. I would miss SR, but I am not prepared to go K100D for that. And I would really miss dust-shake, but there ya go. I think (but should see the Digis face-to-face in order to make a meaningful statement, as opposed to opening gambits) that the functional elegance of the MZ-S is still unsurpassed. The K10D looks to me like the PZ-1p, too wide and in your face. Horses for courses. And no, I won't buy your -Ds, it does not shoot film. Kostas (with a serious Barcelona craving at the moment) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Aaron??
Where's Aaron? He was an early voice in the K10D secrets department and it sounded like he would be the first in line to get one due to one of those secrets. Does anyone know if he got one? rg -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
In a pinch, without a panoramic head, it makes it easier to take reasonable successive pictures to compose a panorama. Otherwise it makes it harder to stitch. Of course, the ideal is to have a panoramic head that allows you to put the pivot point above the lens nodal point. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It certainly doesn't appear to be. I checked it twice. I've always wondered why that is important to some people. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz One thing I noticed that really bothers me is that the tripod hole seems not to be on the optical center line on the grip. Can you tell me if the hole is on the optical center line in the camera itself? -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D list penetration
On Nov 30, 2006, at 11:06, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: I somehow agree, although for me there are 2 improvements in the K10D that can make my Ds look 'obsolete': - SR - Focus speed, specially in low light. These are the two prime features that make me want to upgrade. I tell myself (as the money is difficult to come by) that those are not, in and of themselves, worth the $900. And that's true. But it sure would be cool! Someday -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax DPReview forum
Adam Maas schrieb: Pancho Hasselbach wrote: Hi Mike, that sounds weird, but maybe the problem is another. I never experienced any banding, or other artifacts, whenever I shot greycards, or other even grey subjects, on 1600 ISO BW film, underexposed by several stops. Same when pushing HP5+ to 1600 ISO. Thorough development leads to a very pleasing texture with minimal grain. Well printed, you can at least be sure that a minimal amount of silver is washed out by the fix. Prints show an astonishing intensity. Of course, I take my real pictures on 100 to 400 film. Maybe digital sucks? Pancho Film doesn't display banding, as film grains are distributed randomly. Banding is an artifact of the sensor grid. Digital doesn't tolerate underexposure all that well. It's like slide film in that area. Try underexposing ISO 1600 slide film by 2 stops and see what the results are. They won't be pretty. Note that underexposing 1600 speed BW film by 2 stops will not produce good results. This is effectively a push to ISO 6400, without development compensation. I've done this in the past, and the results aren't pretty. -Adam Ooops, my whole desk is full of forgotten smileys, as it seems. This one is exclusively dedicated to you, Adam: :-D Pancho -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D extended bracketing
mike wilson wrote: From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] The interesting part is that the camera only takes one shot. It follows up with three conversions and you get the three resulting jpegs stored on your memory card. Personally, I'd more likely just shoot raw and do the conversion later, but I think it's an interesting feature. Can anyone think of a situation where they might have found this useful? The only use I can think of is for pro's, shooting, for example, sports. Anything where you have one chance for the shot and have to move it on with minimum processing. It's also an excellent feature for wedding pros: It's becoming increasingly common for wedding shooters to offer (for an additional fee, of course!) a keepsake book of 4 x 6's immediately after the wedding - as in, right on the spot so the bride and groom can take it with them on their honeymoon. They need to be able to make fast prints from JPEGs for this to work, of course. It's actually an excellent tool for that purpose - looks like the big P is beginning to aim high. Agreed. I think the K10D was designed to a significant extent with pros in mind. Not photojournalists or sports guys with 600mm lenses, but real, working stiffs who buy their own equipment and have to get the job done while counting every penny of their expenses. The kind of people who are facing increasingly tough times these days, BTW. That sealing is good for wedding pros, too: A wedding doesn't get cancelled just because of rain ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
In a message dated 11/30/2006 4:26:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, you may want to consider the manual for the DS2. The firmware upgrades change some things in the DS menu, and make the camera more like the DS2. Shel == Aha. Thanks. Marnie who doesn't know when she IS on topic :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made some really quick snaps of the two camera with the grips on. Do I take it that with the grip of the K10D the tripod thread is not below the lens' axis? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Grip is a beast.
On 11/30/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made some really quick snaps of the two camera with the grips on. Do I take it that with the grip of the K10D the tripod thread is not below the lens' axis? Ralf Yes, the socket on the grip is shifted by about 25mm from the socket on the camera. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bought a DS
In a message dated 11/30/2006 8:20:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The manual is on line at http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature === Thanks. No longer OT Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg I'm pumped... Special thanks to Marnie and my friend Gary annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
For the most part, I don't know what I'm looking at. All those pics are overwhelming. Thanks for the thought Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Sorenson This isn't a Pentax, but here's the dissection of a 20D that the owner documented. I would imagine most DSLRs are similar. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissectionpage=all -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Aaron??
I talk with him every now and then. He's not mentioned getting a K10D. There are some other things going on i his life that are, I'd say, much more interesting. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz Where's Aaron? He was an early voice in the K10D secrets department and it sounded like he would be the first in line to get one due to one of those secrets. Does anyone know if he got one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
On Nov 30, 2006, at 11:11, Paul Sorenson wrote: This isn't a Pentax, but here's the dissection of a 20D that the owner documented. I would imagine most DSLRs are similar. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissectionpage=all Ouch. This clearly got dunked in water and destroyed... I guess he figured it would be more interesting to open it up than it would be to just keep it as a paperweight. Some of those circuit boards sure are messed up! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:03, ann sanfedele wrote: Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg In my opinion, you need to do a lot more than a TINY color adjustment. What's with the green haze all over everything? And - if you open the levels tool and bring it up so that the blacks are nearly black (instead of light grey) it helps a lot, too. I don't know the history of this photo (or, come to think of it, your intent) but with a bit more work it could be quite a nice snapshot of a kitty. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Got Mine today
David Savage wrote: I do believe it, and it isn't fair, but the universe is like that sometimes. If life was fair Elvis would be alive and the impersonators would be dead -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
To grip or not to grip w/pics
Here's a couple of shots of the K10D with w/out the grip as I'm holding it. FYI, the lens is the 24-90mm zoom and the flash is the af540fgz. For comparison, my hand measures 9 when splayed from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my pinky (and 7.75 from the base of my palm to the tip of my middle finger). http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/no_grip.jpg As you can see, w/out the grip the camera definitely can seem small for some. http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/grip.jpg Ahh, much better! -Brendan Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
That's nice - where does the firmware go? Tks! Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Sorenson Yes, the sheer volume of pix can be a little disconcerting - This link is probably the best overview. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/image/69559230 The rectangular black object is the sensor, the green things are circuit boards and the rust colored items are ribbon cables that connect the circuit boards together. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
Shel - Yes, the sheer volume of pix can be a little disconcerting - This link is probably the best overview. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/image/69559230 The rectangular black object is the sensor, the green things are circuit boards and the rust colored items are ribbon cables that connect the circuit boards together. Gives you some idea of how things are packed into a camera-sized body. The sheer wonder of fitting all this together amazes me - it's somehow surprising that the failure rate isn't higher. ;] -P Shel Belinkoff wrote: For the most part, I don't know what I'm looking at. All those pics are overwhelming. Thanks for the thought Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Sorenson This isn't a Pentax, but here's the dissection of a 20D that the owner documented. I would imagine most DSLRs are similar. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissectionpage=all -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
Shel, Your question does not make alot of sense, to me at least, since firmware is software that is semi-permanently stored in flash memory. I'm not sure why it would matter just where in the camera the flash memory storing the firmware code was placed. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Speaking of Firmware Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:16:39 -0800 That's nice - where does the firmware go? Tks! Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Sorenson Yes, the sheer volume of pix can be a little disconcerting - This link is probably the best overview. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/image/69559230 The rectangular black object is the sensor, the green things are circuit boards and the rust colored items are ribbon cables that connect the circuit boards together. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
How do you (and others) know all this stuff? Are you all tech people of some sort? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Sorenson Yes, the sheer volume of pix can be a little disconcerting - This link is probably the best overview. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/image/69559230 The rectangular black object is the sensor, the green things are circuit boards and the rust colored items are ribbon cables that connect the circuit boards together. Gives you some idea of how things are packed into a camera-sized body. The sheer wonder of fitting all this together amazes me - it's somehow surprising that the failure rate isn't higher. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
Yikes! Charles... you looked at the BEFORE and not the after , I think :) ann look at the second link I purposefully picked a crappy neg to show how much I could improve it having shot it in raw. Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:03, ann sanfedele wrote: Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg In my opinion, you need to do a lot more than a TINY color adjustment. What's with the green haze all over everything? And - if you open the levels tool and bring it up so that the blacks are nearly black (instead of light grey) it helps a lot, too. I don't know the history of this photo (or, come to think of it, your intent) but with a bit more work it could be quite a nice snapshot of a kitty. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
and .. I did a black and white version I like much better havent got time to load it now. a ann sanfedele wrote: Yikes! Charles... you looked at the BEFORE and not the after , I think :) ann look at the second link I purposefully picked a crappy neg to show how much I could improve it having shot it in raw. Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:03, ann sanfedele wrote: Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg In my opinion, you need to do a lot more than a TINY color adjustment. What's with the green haze all over everything? And - if you open the levels tool and bring it up so that the blacks are nearly black (instead of light grey) it helps a lot, too. I don't know the history of this photo (or, come to think of it, your intent) but with a bit more work it could be quite a nice snapshot of a kitty. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT - Mac laptop advice
converting to the dark side I have the opportunity to buy a APPLE TITANIUM POWERBOOK G4 1.0GHZ LAPTOP for US$360. It has a 60GB hard drive, 512MB RAM, DVD/CD-RW, 15.4 TFT and comes with OS X. I know very little about Macs, is this a decent starter laptop? Just to play around with, maybe light photo-editing? How's the price? Thanks in advance to you Mac zealots. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
FS - Metal lens hood - Genuine Pentax (Asahi Optical CO.)
For Sale - 49mm threads, marked as used on Takumar 105mm 2.8 100mm 4.0 Has signs of usage - a few superficial scratches - otherwise in very good to new condition. $14.00 USD. Buyer pays shipping. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: File conversion problem
Bob, I'm on a Mac running OS 10.4.8 . Someone sent me some documents I need to work with, but they sent them in WordPerfect format. I need to convert them to something I can read and search. It would seem obvious that someone ought to make a WordPerfect to Word converter for Mac, but so far I haven't turned one up in my Google searches. Anyone here know of a way to do this? if your Mac is capable of running Classic (i.e. NOT Intel based), you can download a final version of WordPerfect for Mac here: http://acmfiles.csusb.edu/corel/wpmac.html Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mini GESO: Nypdml today
Ann, Once I swung to Canon for the first digital I was hooked. But I still have my kx and my lx . maybe I'll get to use them again someday. thank you. It's always preferable to pick a tool which suits you best and so you did. My digital cameras so far are Minolta Dimage Xt and Sony DSC-T1, simply because at the time they were new I found no better alternatives. I will stay with Pentax in the SLR area though, because I love their lenses so much and unfortunately (Cotty, do me a favour and disregard the rest of this sentence, please :-)) you can't use them on the other manufacturers cameras. Life would be sweeter if cameras and lenses were universally interchangeable I guess... Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
Much better Dave Quoting ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg I'm pumped... Special thanks to Marnie and my friend Gary annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg
some one will kill you -- you left off the links :) or is your email server doing that? Yeah I love raw ! ann David J Brooks wrote: Much better Dave Quoting ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a before and after The before is the straight jpg extract that I then put into Elements just to slightly crop and save to web and write the note on the bottom The after is edited before saving to tiff using that File view thingy that you mentioned, Marnie I then put it into elements for the tiniest of color adjustments, cropping and sizing. before: http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleybeforeediting.jpg after http://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirectory/ashleyingreenmeshhouse.jpg I'm pumped... Special thanks to Marnie and my friend Gary annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Mac laptop advice
On 11/30/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to buy a APPLE TITANIUM POWERBOOK G4 1.0GHZ LAPTOP for US$360. It has a 60GB hard drive, 512MB RAM, DVD/CD-RW, 15.4 TFT and comes with OS X. That is a decent price for a 1.0 GHz G4. You might want to up the memory on it to a gig or so if you're going to run Photoshop on it. And if the version of OSX it comes with isn't 10.4, spring for a media kit to upgrade it. Other than that, good deal, and a decent laptop. I wouldn't mind one like that myself, though I'd prefer the 12 screen. Fits in the motorcycle luggage. :-) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS - Metal lens hood - Genuine Pentax (Asahi Optical CO.)
This is an excellent hood for the 50mm lenses on film and digi as well as a very good choice for the 77mm Ltd, which suffers from a short built in hood. Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller 49mm threads, marked as used on Takumar 105mm 2.8 100mm 4.0 Has signs of usage - a few superficial scratches - otherwise in very good to new condition. $14.00 USD. Buyer pays shipping. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirecto...
In a message dated 11/30/2006 1:00:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: some one will kill you -- you left off the links :) or is your email server doing that? Yeah I love raw ! ann === I do too. I usually edit RAW (Elements 3 and above) and save as PSD (Adobe's lossless format). Then print from PSD or JPG. But so much is recoverable with RAW -- you can adjust the WB post shooting, you can lighten shadows, post shooting -- bunches of stuff. RAW is definitely to love. Marnie :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW deal - aka yippie! I'm convertedhttp://home.nyc.rr.com/annsansdirecto...
In a message dated 11/30/2006 10:11:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm pumped... Special thanks to Marnie and my friend Gary annsan Cool. Marnie :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The RAW report
Cory Papenfuss escribió: Trouble is I don't have a way to convert to DNG since I don't run Winders or MacOS, and writing my own is pointless for the aforementioned reasons. Have you tried to run Adobe's DNG converter in Wine (the Windows emulator-executor for Linux)? I don't know if it works, but it is worth trying. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
Well, your comment makes no sense to me ;-)) Paul described what was being shown in the photo, and I was curious where, amongst all that stuff, the firmware is stored. On the boards, in the ribbons, or elsewhere. I'm trying to get a sense of how much space the firmware takes up in the camera. If it's on a board or card, how big is it? How many megabytes does it take up? Why do I ask? Well, I just woke up curious this morning, but also, I'm trying to understand why some digital cameras are so big compared to some film cameras. And, since film cameras have a larger mirror and mirror box, the firmware/software seemed that it might contribute to the size of the camera in some way. I am ignorant of such things and want to be less ignorant. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Date: 11/30/2006 11:21:07 AM Subject: Re: Speaking of Firmware Shel, Your question does not make alot of sense, to me at least, since firmware is software that is semi-permanently stored in flash memory. I'm not sure why it would matter just where in the camera the flash memory storing the firmware code was placed. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff That's nice - where does the firmware go? Tks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Mac laptop advice
On Nov 30, 2006, at 14:07, Christian wrote: converting to the dark side I have the opportunity to buy a APPLE TITANIUM POWERBOOK G4 1.0GHZ LAPTOP for US$360. It has a 60GB hard drive, 512MB RAM, DVD/CD-RW, 15.4 TFT and comes with OS X. I know very little about Macs, is this a decent starter laptop? Just to play around with, maybe light photo-editing? How's the price? The price is great. So great that one wonders either: 1. What is wrong with it? -or- 2. Where was it stolen from? (I guess that qualifies as something wrong with it) If that is a real price on a real laptop, that's a good deal. Cheap to throw a gig or two of RAM in there to get it up to snuff for processing bunches of digital images. The Titanium laptops aren't quite a sexy as the next-gen Aluminum ones - all of the connectors are in the back, covered by a flimsy little door whereas the so-called Aluminum models put the connectors on the sides where they are readily accessible. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking of Firmware
One would have to know the exact chip being used and it's physical dimensions to accurately answer your question regarding the physical 3-dimensional storage requirements. The recent firmware upgrade for the K100D expands to slightly over 4 MB. Physically that's a very tiny amount of space. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Speaking of Firmware Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:00:03 -0800 Well, your comment makes no sense to me ;-)) Paul described what was being shown in the photo, and I was curious where, amongst all that stuff, the firmware is stored. On the boards, in the ribbons, or elsewhere. I'm trying to get a sense of how much space the firmware takes up in the camera. If it's on a board or card, how big is it? How many megabytes does it take up? Why do I ask? Well, I just woke up curious this morning, but also, I'm trying to understand why some digital cameras are so big compared to some film cameras. And, since film cameras have a larger mirror and mirror box, the firmware/software seemed that it might contribute to the size of the camera in some way. I am ignorant of such things and want to be less ignorant. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Date: 11/30/2006 11:21:07 AM Subject: Re: Speaking of Firmware Shel, Your question does not make alot of sense, to me at least, since firmware is software that is semi-permanently stored in flash memory. I'm not sure why it would matter just where in the camera the flash memory storing the firmware code was placed. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff That's nice - where does the firmware go? Tks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Mac laptop advice
Good machine. Good price. You'll want to add another half gig of RAM for PhotoShop work, but it can certainly do a decent job on RAW conversion and photo editing. Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] converting to the dark side I have the opportunity to buy a APPLE TITANIUM POWERBOOK G4 1.0GHZ LAPTOP for US$360. It has a 60GB hard drive, 512MB RAM, DVD/CD-RW, 15.4 TFT and comes with OS X. I know very little about Macs, is this a decent starter laptop? Just to play around with, maybe light photo-editing? How's the price? Thanks in advance to you Mac zealots. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
