Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? Never said it was so much better, but here in the Detroit area we hear horror stories about Canadians having to wait for years in the case of specific medical procedures. Also hear of Canadians coming to the U S of A for treatment they can't get in Canada. You are hearing the worst cases, but it is getting more common. Also, show up in an American hospital and you will get treated regardless of insurance or not. You will in Canada too, and you won't recieve a bill for it either. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Looks like a waxeye (also known as silvereye). http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/tauhou.html - Dave On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Good shot. It looks like the bird we call a goldfinch up here. Decent bokeh for a mirror lens. On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, J and K Messervy wrote: http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone messagereallythatcomplicated)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Bob W wrote: Scots English Isn't that an oxymoron? - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Show Pony
On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: Did you happen to get any of the Holden (GM) EFIJY concept car? And people have difficulty with _American_ spelling? Considering the styling of Holden cars, that name badge would be by far the most interesting thing about it. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name. They knew immediately when it was a telemarketer. Good trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santos_L._Halper I remember a guy a long time ago who registered his car in the name of his 4-year-old daughter so he could get away with speeding tickets. You've probably already guessed that it didn't work. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote: It is supposed to be the brightest comet in many decades. That must be why it's raining here (is it even visible from the southern hemisphere anyway?) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:15 PM, David Savage wrote: My point is, I happen to believe in controls on handguns. Paraphrasing Dogbert: I believe everyone should have guns. However, only I should be allowed to have ammunition. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - American Fence
That claim is often overstated. The 1689 bill says this: That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law which is a long way from the claim that there is an absolute right for anybody to have guns. Even the 2nd amendment of the US consitution is wide open to different interpretations and certainly does not of necessity imply the freedom that the Charlton Heston lobby claims. The 1689 bill of rights also specifically excludes Papists from sitting in Parliament. Its value with respect to universal human rights is distinctly limited. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 10 January 2007 04:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Historically under English Common law, it's a right. After Centuries of attempts at limiting this right, and in specific opposition of the attempts by Charles II and James II to disarm all but those who supported them, it was revitalized in the English Deceleration of Right of 1689. (This by the way is seen by many as the direct ancestor of the US second amendment). Too bad that's being forgotten. Rights shouldn't be given up so easily. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO - American Fence
Fra: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. Just like guns don't kill people. Cheers, Dave Note to Tom: here I go again... Guns don't kill people; bullets do. Guns don't kill people, frightened people with guns do. We have a lot of guns here, I think we had more per person than the US in some survey, but people usually don't feel the need to use them. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phonemessagereallythatcomplicated)
Scots English Isn't that an oxymoron? nope, it's a dialect. Ask Rabbie Burns and Robert Louis Stevenson. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 10:30:35 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On 9/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Pull your head out of your ass and learn something about us from someone other than your country's department of hypocrisy. Your continuing condescending bullshit proves you are an uneducated fool regarding anything outside your very narrow minded area of expertise, which is, as of yet, unknown. On top of that, he smells. We all smell. Some of us, however, stink. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Way off topic: English usage
From the LA Times today: Shadow's anti-depressant medication helped cure the cat of urinating 'outside of the (litter) box.' (Brian Vander Brug / LAT) Don -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)
The real test is how they appear in prints. Yes absolutely. My Epson 1290S is in for service at the moment though. How do you compare the sharpening in ACR to C1? I never seem to be able to get a truly sharp image using the controls in ACR, no big deal if I'm going to open the image in PS and use USM or Smart sharpen, but there would be an advantage for me at work if the image was truly sharp straight from the RAW conversion which I believe I can get from C1. For my own work I may still stick with ACR, I like the workflow from Bridge to ACR to PS and finally Iview Mediapro to catalogue everything. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Digital Image Studio wrote: series lenses certainly does not limit my ability to manual focus. In fact I much prefer the consistency and feel of the the focus ring grips on the A series lenses if I'm to be honest. This is simply my opinion of course. And I prefer to MF (some) AF lenses, the FA50/1.7 being my prime example, because they have a short throw. Horses for courses. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I take pictures, I don't wax ecstatic over how many lenses I've got or how wonderful the old shit was. sick of this nonsense Then move to a different thread. This is a Pentax list and ecstasy over our Pentax equipment is on topic. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phonemessagereallythatcomplicated)
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Bob W wrote: Scots English Isn't that an oxymoron? nope, it's a dialect. Ask Rabbie Burns and Robert Louis Stevenson. Ask Ally next door, ken! Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/10 Wed AM 03:28:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Nativism is a form of xenophobia. Ken describes assimilation. Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada... No. I like Canada Canadians. Couldn't ask for better neighbors. Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to back to their own country. Kenneth Waller Isn't that what the Apache said? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Nativism is a form of xenophobia. Ken describes assimilation. Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada... Brendan MacRae wrote: --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Is it really sad Ken? The U.S. became great by the work of many pulling together to make thing better for the whole. Now it seems we have groups of immigrants, among others, that come to the U.S. but bring along their customs traditions from their home land and expect the rest of us to adapt to them. In general, I don't think we are quite as xenophobic here. I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country with them. Xenophobia can be cultural as well as racial. William Robb I think what Ken is descibing is Nativism, not xenophobia. The idea that America is an endangered Eden. It isn't, of course. It never has been. But we live in a time of powerlessness of the masses. We are at war with an idea and we are paranoid. It has to be somebody's fault, right? -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm particularly interested in information about the DS2/DL2, and about the K100D/K110D, and how these differ from the DS. As I'm possibly the only list member with the highly exclusive DL/2, I'll get an output file to you some time this week. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
A Banker whose name is Cassino? Right... CW ;) - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Occupations? Borrowing Doug's words, I'm a reformed photographer. Before that, even though Alan Greenspan reverts to single syllable words when he hears me say it, I was a Banker. These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, and other advocacy services. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 4:12 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can. On the other hand, they don't ignore inconvenient facts. Considering the source I wouldn't call this history rewritten by the victors. The article about the violent cultures of the native Americans appeared in the science section. In truth, it's history rewritten by archaeologists. Paul On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:12 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: America before the Europeans was no Eden. There was an interesting article in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago concerning the mythology of the native Americans vs. the reality. The reality, in many cases, was rape, child molestation and sacrifice and even cannibalism. Running Bear and Little White Dove exist only in pop culture. Paul There is yet another saying, which I don't remember exactly who produced the first. Loosely translated from the way I know it, it sounds like this: History is always (re)written by the victors... See my hint? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
Agreed. For example, I find it useless in most situations to try to reproduce the exact temperature of the light. For some shots, I want a warm look, for others, something colder. What the finished photographs communicates is the important element. To me, what was really there is insignificant. Paul On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: ... I am quite in the minority as a technical photographer as opposed to an artsy photographer. Most are the latter and whatever looks good is acceptable. I find it difficult to trust my own sense of quality, so I resort to objective means that I can quantify to produce the most colorimetrically accurate and least manipulated images possible. ... That's not photography, that's creating a recording of a subject. You have to learn to trust your eyes and aesthetics, and develop the ability to see, to do photography. The sunlight streaming through clouds, wandering around the morning mists, and pooling around a freshly opened leaf knows nothing of 'accuracy' or colormetrics. You have to feel the color with your eyes and heart. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way off topic: English usage
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The kitty knows. - Original Message - From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:58 AM Subject: Way off topic: English usage From the LA Times today: Shadow's anti-depressant medication helped cure the cat of urinating 'outside of the (litter) box.' (Brian Vander Brug / LAT) Don -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 4:12 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HP B9180 Printer
Charles Wilson wrote: Dear All, Thinking about getting the HP B9180 printer and wondered if any one here had had any experiences with it. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia Hi Charles, I've been thinking about this printer too. I found this link - http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewforum.php?f=39sid=a228fd7a6662d894e202343d64b6c00e http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewforum.php?f=39sid=a228fd7a6662d894e202343d64b6c00e Some interesting discussions on this printer in here. Hope this helps. Ciao, Peter in western Sydney -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Strange 360FGZ behaviour with K10D
Well in A mode it should read the parameters from the body *correctly*. If then I want to override that's my problem but it should set the parameters correctly at first. Also, I don't see why I couldn't use A flash mode when I use anything else than M camera mode. This si very stupid and BTW if I judge PTTL not to my taste I should be able to use A mode. So yes I'm quite annoyed but this. I will check with my Z1 how it reacts. Could someone check with a 360 and MZ-S and a K10D and 540 FGZ ?? 2007/1/10, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My understanding and usage of A mode is that there is a sensor on the flash that is used instead of the one in the body. The flash can be set to any parameters that you want, independent of the body. This allows you to control the flash as you want. It lets you do fill flash by telling the flash that it is brighter than it really is. So although it initially reads the ISO the body has set, it can be overridden. It sounds to me that your flash is working as it is supposed to. I have had 2 AF360FGZ's for several years and they have been working all along. They work exactly as you describe on the K10D. Basically you either live with P-TTL mode and flash settable compensation, or you switch to A or M and control the flash as you like. -- Bruce Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 2:32:30 PM, you wrote: T Very weird. T I can confirm that even with fresh batteries (alkaline but well they T provide 1.5V each and were perfectly new one) that unless in M mode T (camera) I can only choose PTTL or SB. T Also, it will not show correct parameters when in A mode (flash) and M T mode (camera). My FA50/1.4 exhibits the same problem ad my FA 100/3.5 T MAcro. T Defenitely not bettery related. T So either the camera(firmware?) or flash is faulty ! T 2007/1/9, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HmmmI just put one of my AF360FGZ flashes on my K10D and was able to cycle between P-TTL, A, M and SB. The lens in place was the DA 16-45/4. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:37:02 AM, you wrote: T Here are a couple observations since I took time to play a bit with T external flash on my K10D. I have no other flash to test to compare T results. T * Exposure seems to be mostly OK (PTTL mode). At least way better than T RTF which tends to overexpose (based on my short experience since I T have had my K10D for only a couple days). T * Mode selection on the flash itself is screwed up. Basicaly, except T in M mode, I can only choose P-TTL or SB (AF assist only). Not having T TTL is of course normal but I cannot access A mode nor M mode which is T weird to say the least. Pushing mode button will cycle between PTTL T and SB , period. T * M mode allows to select A mode and M mode but... It seems appart T from the ISO, the exposure parameters are not shown correctly on the T flash screen. I was using FA 100/3.5 macro and the screen showed f/2.8 T !! However the camera of course showed correct info. Also, the flashed T showed 58mm as max zoom. It'd be correct with an DA lens but with an T FA lens it is very.. disturbing !! T * If I let the flash powered-on and do power-off the camera and then T back on, I can choose whatever mode until I take a picture. After this T picture the camera forces again the flash to only accept PTTL and SB. T * In the couple shots I tried in A mode (using the power on/off trick) T exposure didn't seem far off but it is way to early to traw a T conclusion as far as I'm concerned. T Now, a firmware update will hopefully take care of this. They'd T better. Or then upgrade the flash but that'd be harder ... T It doesn't change my love for this camera. I don't like using flash, T probably because I'm unable to do it well enough but that won't help T me for sure ;) T Is somebody able to confirm this behaviour and maybe try with a 540FGZ T ? I guess it works the same way as IMO the camera is the culprit here. T -- T Thibault Massart aka Thibouille T -- T *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net T -- T Thibault Massart aka Thibouille T -- T *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On 10/01/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember a guy a long time ago who registered his car in the name of his 4-year-old daughter so he could get away with speeding tickets. You've probably already guessed that it didn't work. A feline was recently issued a credit card with a AU$4200 limit here is Oz ;-) http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21007941-2862,00.html -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
You missed the entire point of posts and that was the topic was limited to the MANUAL FOCUS TACTILE FEEL of these Pentax MF lens series ( optical qualities and size / weight issues were not part of the discusssion so your points regarding that are moot ). I dont care that some of the A are plastic or have rubber rings, I am talking about the smoothness and damping ( feel ) of focus mechanisms. If the As series had same feel as MKSMCT-ST and were partially plastic or rubberized, that would be OK by me, but they dont. My commments were not based solely on a few A50s I kept as body caps, they were based on ALL the different model As I have had over the years and all the As I have handled. I dont see how you can say Im blowing things out of proportion, I stated there was a degradation in the lens series manual focus mechanisms as follows ST-SMCTKMA and I stand by that. And the amount of this degradation was worst from MA and second worst was from KM. I also stated I didnt own/use a mint condtion sample EVERY single model of every series ( who has? although I do still have nearly every SMCT in mint condtion) but I owned/used enough of each series prime lenses at some point to notice these OBVIOUS differences in each series' focus mechanism qualities or I wouldnt have posted all this in the first place. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:41 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 JCO, You're blowing things far out of proportion. The focus feel of the A lenses is very similar to the M's, K's, and screw mounts, especially when you start comparing to the higher quality A's. Your comparison to the 50's is flawed. And focus feel is less of an issue in these days of autofocus lenses. Yes, some of these cheaper A's traded plastic for metal, but I shot for a long time with a Super A, and the lighter weight was a feature - by design. Yes, I don't like the A28/2.8 and have fixed a copy with a spring problem on the A setting. Yes, I don't like the plastic body on the A50/1.7. But I really like the focus feel on my A15/3.5, A20/2.8, A24/2.8, A50/1.4, A85/1.4, A100/2.8 macro, A135/1.8, A200/4, A300/4, A400/5.6 and A35-105/3.5 zoom. They all feel good in the hand. (I'm buying Joe's A35/2 and I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. I've been close to an A100/2.8 but haven't been able to acquire one and have little interest in the A135/2.8 or A100/4 macro.) For 'bona fida's' on the lense issue, I own almost all the primes in the M catalogue except the M50/4 macro. The M28/2.0 and M300/4 were more difficult to find, but I've owned most of the rest from new. I also own most prime lenses from the K catalogue except the K15/3.5 and K300/4. (The K85/1.8, K30/2.8,and K200/2.5 were the toughest to find but are sweet. I'd still like to find a K28/2.0 to compare with the K20/4 I picked up long ago.) I've also acquired 85% of the SMC screwmount primes, from the 300/4 on down. They have a distinct tactile feel because of the lack of a rubber grip on the exterior. I've also got an assortment of the Super Tak's and older Pentax lenses that I picked up along the way. ...So I know the feel of my Pentax lenses. With these lenses, I can see the evolution of Pentax lens design from Super Takumar, to SMC, to K, to M, to A, from a Super Takumar 85/1.9 to the SMC 85/1.8 to the K85/1.8. They are clearly a family. For a time, I was troubled by the move to plastic, but I see it now as a natural transition to lighter lenses that are needed to support the move to big range zooms. And yes, the pre '70's SMC screwmount lenses have a slightly different feel in the hand. (With the metal exterior of the Limited Lenses, that feel could be duplicated in the Limited lenses except for the clicking of the autofocus mechanism as you focus manually.) In any case, it is a gross exaggeration to say the A line is not so good. The line has some of the highest quality prime lenses that Pentax has ever produced. Regards, Bob S. On 1/9/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, I only have 3 Pentax A lenses, all 50mm's like in new condtion. 2 50mmf1.4As and a 50mmf2.8A Macro. I have over 35 PENTAX K and M lenses (but over a dozen of those are 50 and 55mm ) and about a dozen third party PK lenses only four of those are A type. This is only PK lenses. I have a ton of Pentax third party M42 also. I probably have about 80+ 35mm SLR lenses in my personal collection... ALL FULL FRAME and ALL PENTAX K or PENTAX screw mount. I dont use or have any other makesOnly good thing about this overkill is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Re: OT: Occupations?
Har! :-) Pull his arm and he leak's money. Dave :-) On 1/10/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Banker whose name is Cassino? Right... CW ;) - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Occupations? Borrowing Doug's words, I'm a reformed photographer. Before that, even though Alan Greenspan reverts to single syllable words when he hears me say it, I was a Banker. These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, and other advocacy services. - MCC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On 10/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not photography, that's creating a recording of a subject. You have to learn to trust your eyes and aesthetics, and develop the ability to see, to do photography. Wow, I didn't realize that this was the case. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
You are an idiot if you cant even understand the topic. I didnt post anything about AF lenses, I posted the differences in Pentax MF lenses and with MF lenses the MF feel is important because thats a key user interface to the lens. If you dont use MF lenses, then you would best be served by staying out of the discussion. Regarding lenses, I never waxed estatic over them, I was asked about them and just stated what I had. And I WILL commment on how much better the older than A series were with regards to the MANUAL FOCUS feel because its relevant to those who PREFER MANUAL FOCUS lenses for many applications. AF lenses are not better than MF ,they are different from MF. And with regards to MF feel , the MF lenses are generally way better than ALL AF lenses for MF usage by design. So this post of yours is the true NONSENSE. I wasnt even considering AF lenses in any of my posts on the topic. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 Guys, The more you engage him in discussion, the more ridiculous it will become. The FA35/2 AL is a different, and better, optical formula than the older 35/2. That's not to say that the M/A35/2 is a poor performer or that the A35/2 that's for sale is not a good lens. I don't give a damn what the M42, M or K series lenses feel like. They're irrelevant to my needs, and I prefer the better PERFORMING lenses anyway. I take pictures, I don't wax ecstatic over how many lenses I've got or how wonderful the old shit was. sick of this nonsense Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
why do you like the short MF throw? If it's to focus real fast, isnt that partially what AF is for? I do not like MF lenses with short throw, Pentax only did that on MF lenses where they had to like MACROs were there was a very long extension needed. the shorter the throw, the worse the feel gets in terms of honing in on precision focus. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kostas Kavoussanakis Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Digital Image Studio wrote: series lenses certainly does not limit my ability to manual focus. In fact I much prefer the consistency and feel of the the focus ring grips on the A series lenses if I'm to be honest. This is simply my opinion of course. And I prefer to MF (some) AF lenses, the FA50/1.7 being my prime example, because they have a short throw. Horses for courses. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
William Robb wrote: You need to look at more good pictures then. Not necessarily photographs either. Great advice! I'm very fortunate to live within walking distance of a good art museum (the Carnegie) and I find looking at paintings to be quite instructive. They had an exhibit of Hudson River School landscapes a couple of years ago that was quite remarkable. I find my own pictures aren't as instructive as other peoples, since no matter how I try, I am biased regarding my own work. Everyone is biased regarding their own work - though with some of us it's sometimes as much *against* it as in favor of it (depends on my frame of mind at any given moment...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO:industrial fireworks overZurich
Very dramatic Nice Dave Quoting Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The industrial surrounding and the nearly absence of colors makes this photo a little bit different from the usual fireworks shot for me. Pentax SFXn, Pentax A70-210mm, Konica Centuria 100 film, tripod and cable remote , F11, around 6 seconds... greetings Markus http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5433327size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On 10/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sir, I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to someone who already said he PREFERRED the focus feel of the K/M/M42 but then said it detract from the A usage. Thats contradictory. John, I know it may be a difficult concept for you to grasp but it's really very basic, when you post anything to the list you are effectively talking to everyone. Secondly there is really no need to shout as you regularly do using CAPITALIZATION when all I was doing was offering my position as a point of general discussion, I was not proffering my position as an absolute and unassailable truth. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
LG L204WT - good one
http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/l204wt.jhtml When I tried to calibrate my 5 year old 19 NEC CRT monitor few weeks ago I couldn't get it done right. CRT seemed tired and I had a choice of either make overexposed photos based on a visual judgement or purchase new monitor. I found this LG baby pretty impressive. 20 TFT, contrast 2000:1, 1680x1050 pixel resolution and 16:10 ratio, that allows full screen editing of Pentax 2:3 images (they fit into entire screen with some blanc areas on both sides. I'm not so sensitive or demanding about response time but it's 5ms. Would recommend this monitor to any budget photo enthusiast... Just my 2¢... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: LG L204WT - good one
Roman, it sounds awfully similar to my Philips monitor. On 1/10/07, Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/l204wt.jhtml When I tried to calibrate my 5 year old 19 NEC CRT monitor few weeks ago I couldn't get it done right. CRT seemed tired and I had a choice of either make overexposed photos based on a visual judgement or purchase new monitor. I found this LG baby pretty impressive. 20 TFT, contrast 2000:1, 1680x1050 pixel resolution and 16:10 ratio, that allows full screen editing of Pentax 2:3 images (they fit into entire screen with some blanc areas on both sides. I'm not so sensitive or demanding about response time but it's 5ms. Would recommend this monitor to any budget photo enthusiast... Just my 2¢... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
jim wrote: On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:10 -0500, Adam Maas wrote: Potentially, since their lens protocol is a fairly blatant copy of the EOS protocol. IIRC they originally tried to licence EF mount. got turned down and decided to use a K-mount derived Bayonet on a mount that's otherwise EOS. Sigma-mount lenses can be modified to work fully on EOS bodies with a mount replacement. That is interesting. I thought I saw somewhere they use a K bayonet mount but is obvious that is set up different linkage and electricly wise. wounder what the register length is? ie from sensor to mount. James AFAIK it's a 44mm register, really just EF mount with a K bayonet screwed on. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Well said, Bob I'm not trimming a word of your response just in case anyone may have missed it. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan JCO, You're blowing things far out of proportion. The focus feel of the A lenses is very similar to the M's, K's, and screw mounts, especially when you start comparing to the higher quality A's. Your comparison to the 50's is flawed. And focus feel is less of an issue in these days of autofocus lenses. Yes, some of these cheaper A's traded plastic for metal, but I shot for a long time with a Super A, and the lighter weight was a feature - by design. Yes, I don't like the A28/2.8 and have fixed a copy with a spring problem on the A setting. Yes, I don't like the plastic body on the A50/1.7. But I really like the focus feel on my A15/3.5, A20/2.8, A24/2.8, A50/1.4, A85/1.4, A100/2.8 macro, A135/1.8, A200/4, A300/4, A400/5.6 and A35-105/3.5 zoom. They all feel good in the hand. (I'm buying Joe's A35/2 and I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. I've been close to an A100/2.8 but haven't been able to acquire one and have little interest in the A135/2.8 or A100/4 macro.) For 'bona fida's' on the lense issue, I own almost all the primes in the M catalogue except the M50/4 macro. The M28/2.0 and M300/4 were more difficult to find, but I've owned most of the rest from new. I also own most prime lenses from the K catalogue except the K15/3.5 and K300/4. (The K85/1.8, K30/2.8,and K200/2.5 were the toughest to find but are sweet. I'd still like to find a K28/2.0 to compare with the K20/4 I picked up long ago.) I've also acquired 85% of the SMC screwmount primes, from the 300/4 on down. They have a distinct tactile feel because of the lack of a rubber grip on the exterior. I've also got an assortment of the Super Tak's and older Pentax lenses that I picked up along the way. ...So I know the feel of my Pentax lenses. With these lenses, I can see the evolution of Pentax lens design from Super Takumar, to SMC, to K, to M, to A, from a Super Takumar 85/1.9 to the SMC 85/1.8 to the K85/1.8. They are clearly a family. For a time, I was troubled by the move to plastic, but I see it now as a natural transition to lighter lenses that are needed to support the move to big range zooms. And yes, the pre '70's SMC screwmount lenses have a slightly different feel in the hand. (With the metal exterior of the Limited Lenses, that feel could be duplicated in the Limited lenses except for the clicking of the autofocus mechanism as you focus manually.) In any case, it is a gross exaggeration to say the A line is not so good. The line has some of the highest quality prime lenses that Pentax has ever produced. Regards, Bob S. On 1/9/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, I only have 3 Pentax A lenses, all 50mm's like in new condtion. 2 50mmf1.4As and a 50mmf2.8A Macro. I have over 35 PENTAX K and M lenses (but over a dozen of those are 50 and 55mm ) and about a dozen third party PK lenses only four of those are A type. This is only PK lenses. I have a ton of Pentax third party M42 also. I probably have about 80+ 35mm SLR lenses in my personal collection... ALL FULL FRAME and ALL PENTAX K or PENTAX screw mount. I dont use or have any other makesOnly good thing about this overkill is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
And how did you, or do you, deal with BW? Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. Shel Cory Papenfuss wrote: ... I am quite in the minority as a technical photographer as opposed to an artsy photographer. Most are the latter and whatever looks good is acceptable. I find it difficult to trust my own sense of quality, so I resort to objective means that I can quantify to produce the most colorimetrically accurate and least manipulated images possible. ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Agreed - when I was last in Canada there was a news story on the radio about a police officer having been shot. Maybe it was in Toronto, but I don't really recall. Shel [Original Message] From: Christian Gun or rifle, whatever it's called, they exist in Canada contrary to frank's statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Fast and wide for a K100D
I have a new K100D, and am looking for a fast, wide (roughly 12mm) lens. Any suggestions? I've been thinking about the 16mm Zenitar fisheye lens. From what I have seen, it comes in several versions. As a Pentax K mount, with the aperature lever, and an M42 screw mount, amoung others. Both versions have advantages- the K mount would be more convenient, the M42 mount would be more versitile- It (and an adapter) would work on my Canon 10D. How does the aperature selection work in the M42/adapter? Judging by the pictures I've seen, it has the stop down pin on the mount, but no auto/manual apature selector on the side. I have a Yashica lens set up this way, and I can only use the lens wide open- no way to depress the pin, so the iris will stop down. Assuming you can get the M42/adapter version to stop down for exposure, are there any other quirks that might influence me one way or the other? I've got the Zenitar 16/2.8 in K-mount. I use it relatively frequently when I want a fast/wide. If I had rectilinear Pentax glass in that range (other than the kit 18-55), I'd probably use the Pentax instead. Trouble with the Zenitar is that it's not very fishy on the 1.5x crop DSLR. It's more like a rectilinear lens with more than normal barrel distortion. Still, I find barrel distortion no more distracting than ultra-wide rectilinear distortion, so I use it as a regular lens. WRT K vs. M42, that's a tough one. If you plan to stick with Pentax from now on, the K-mount is more convenient in most respects. Focusing that sucker is tough to do accurately without a split-prism aid IMO, so stopped-down-focusing with an M42 is probably even more out of the question. That means that each and every shot that requires refocusing will require unstopping, focusing, stopping, metering, shooting. With a K-mount version, it's just focusing, metering, shooting. In all, really nice lens. A bit flare prone, but not nearly as bad as my Peleng 8mm fisheye or Vivitar/Kiron 28/2. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
And how did you, or do you, deal with BW? Occasionally. Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. Shel I may have overstated my position somewhat, but I personally find endless tweaking on the computer irritating and circuitous. My photography style ends as it did when shot film... once the shutter is pressed. All of the technical (lens choice, aperture, shutter speed, etc) and photographic (subject selection, composition, lighting, etc) choices have been made once the shutter is depressed. After that point with film, I never did anything more than send it off to the lab. With digital, I do the roughly the same develop the digital RAW image in the most accurate, lossless, and tweak-free way. Maximizing dynamic range, color accuracy, and quantization errors is pretty much my limit. I'm not saying that those that include substantial image processing in their photography are any less, just different. It's a road I personally don't want to go down primarily because it's too subjective and time-consuming. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: PESO - American Fence That claim is often overstated. The 1689 bill says this: That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law which is a long way from the claim that there is an absolute right for anybody to have guns. Even the 2nd amendment of the US consitution is wide open to different interpretations and certainly does not of necessity imply the freedom that the Charlton Heston lobby claims. The 1689 bill of rights also specifically excludes Papists from sitting in Parliament. Its value with respect to universal human rights is distinctly limited. Thanks for clarfying that Bob. Peter, thats at least one straw man and a very innaccurate and vastly non objective interpretation of the English Bill of Rights you have put forwards in this thread. I'm thinking you have lost your credibility on this one. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can. On the other hand, they don't ignore inconvenient facts. Considering the source I wouldn't call this history rewritten by the victors. The article about the violent cultures of the native Americans appeared in the science section. In truth, it's history rewritten by archaeologists. My father was a student of local history. His take on pre-European life in North America pretty much jives with what you are saying. His take on post-European life from the Aboriginal point of view was that the vilence shifted from internal to external and they really weren't any better off for the European invasion. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how did you, or do you, deal with BW? Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or what is being photographed? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/09/07 10:59 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? It is actually not so much of that. Truth is; Canada has a universal health care system and all health care is essentially free. Federal government has been very sensitive to maintaining this system. They tightly watch anyone who might try to charge any sort of fee for special service or extra service etc, as it would be considered the opening of avalanche of private medical services that would charge what they want. Universal health care is nice, as you do not have to worry about any money regardless of the magnitude of care, i.e., even if you have to have an open heart surgery, you do not have to worry about money and anyone, even the poorest of the poor can receive the same service free. Flip side of this is, depending on the type of care, you may have to wait for a long time. For example, several years ago, MRI scan had a long waiting list up to 6 months etc simply because of insufficient number. While some private sectors saw this as an opportunity and applied for a private MRI clinics. The Government did not allow this. As a result, a bunch of Canadians flocked to U.S. Where you can choose and fit your own preference for immediate availability. This was the main reason. Re the quality of health care, Canada is also at the top class when it comes to medical services and technologies. A lot of new treatments originated in Canada. However, in U.S., private health care is flourishing and they can invest whatever amount of money they wish in order to have the best equipment and best talents, but it is not universal. Only the wealthy who can buy such service can afford it even in U.S. Also, organ in-plant is another such example. If you don't want to wait in Canada, pay money in U.S. And you get it. So, what's really happening is everyone who flocks to U.S. From Canada for health care for whatever reason is all wealthy people who can afford the U.S. Service which is awfully expensive, or in desperate need of some specialized service fast and money is not of consideration. For ordinary soul like us, getting injured or sick while in U.S. might kill you financially, so a lot of people buy an insurance specifically designed for those travel in U.S. In U.S., you have so much better survivability if you are rich, while if you are poor, any major health problem would become literally a killer. Again, this is not to denigrate the U.S. health care system. It is just both systems have its own advantages and disadvantages, but when there is any disparity, just like water flows from high point to low, people flock. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 John, I know it may be a difficult concept for you to grasp but it's really very basic, when you post anything to the list you are effectively talking to everyone. Secondly there is really no need to shout as you regularly do using CAPITALIZATION when all I was doing was offering my position as a point of general discussion, I was not proffering my position as an absolute and unassailable truth. Has he called anyone an idiot yet in this thread? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how did you, or do you, deal with BW? Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or what is being photographed? By definitions I have read here, as soon as you pick up a camera, you are a photographer. I started out as a technician, in that I used the camera as a means to an end, that being to get into the darkroom and make pictures. This was when I was 13 I got very proficient fairly quickly at the technical aspects of photography, but really, it wasn't until after I met Roy Norberg when I was around 20 that would consider that I became aware enough of the asthetics of photography to call myself a photographer. This photography thing is a two edged sword, not a butchers knife. There is both a technical aspect and an aesthetic aspect involved. We tend to denigrate the dummy mode camera users who call themselves photographers, since they don't have a clue about the technical aspects, the *hows* of what we do, but really, if you don't have a sense of the aethetic you are even more crippled regarding photography. The camera can make you sufficiently technically proficient, even on green dummy mode, but some education that trains the aesthetic eye is also required, to give you a sense of the *whys* of what we do. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: LG L204WT - good one
- Original Message - From: Roman Subject: LG L204WT - good one http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/l204wt.jhtml When I tried to calibrate my 5 year old 19 NEC CRT monitor few weeks ago I couldn't get it done right. CRT seemed tired and I had a choice of either make overexposed photos based on a visual judgement or purchase new monitor. I found this LG baby pretty impressive. 20 TFT, contrast 2000:1, 1680x1050 pixel resolution and 16:10 ratio, that allows full screen editing of Pentax 2:3 images (they fit into entire screen with some blanc areas on both sides. I'm not so sensitive or demanding about response time but it's 5ms. Would recommend this monitor to any budget photo enthusiast... Roman, thank you for pointing this monitor out. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Yes, he has ... You are an idiot if you cant even understand the topic. Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb Has he called anyone an idiot yet in this thread? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. I'm not picky, I start with Nestle Quick made with hot milk and melt a Jersey Milk into it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has he called anyone an idiot yet in this thread? William Robb Yep. And the caps lock key got stuck again too. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: K.Takeshita Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence So, what's really happening is everyone who flocks to U.S. From Canada for health care for whatever reason is all wealthy people who can afford the U.S. Service which is awfully expensive, or in desperate need of some specialized service fast and money is not of consideration. Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 Yes, he has ... You are an idiot if you cant even understand the topic. Try mute agreement, he might stop the personal attacks. Or, apply the internet rule about Adolf Hitler to JCO. As soon as he enters a thread, it's effectively over. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. Steamed (frothed) milk with a dark chocolate square dropped in and melted. Add a little sugar if you need to. In Argentina it's called a Submarino (submarine). -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Has Mr. Hitler ever posted to the PDML? Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb Try mute agreement, he might stop the personal attacks. Or, apply the internet rule about Adolf Hitler to JCO. As soon as he enters a thread, it's effectively over. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Thanks for that Ken. Our public health system is similar. You can medical treatment free but the waiting lists are long for elective procedures (joint replacements etc.). But, if you can afford private health insurance, you can basically pick your doctor private hospital if needs be. Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? Cheers, Dave On 1/10/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/09/07 10:59 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? It is actually not so much of that. Truth is; Canada has a universal health care system and all health care is essentially free. Federal government has been very sensitive to maintaining this system. They tightly watch anyone who might try to charge any sort of fee for special service or extra service etc, as it would be considered the opening of avalanche of private medical services that would charge what they want. snip Again, this is not to denigrate the U.S. health care system. It is just both systems have its own advantages and disadvantages, but when there is any disparity, just like water flows from high point to low, people flock. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
On 1/10/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. Yep. This one's a little work, but it's worth it. You need: 2 ounces unsweetened baking chocolate, broken into pieces 1 can sweetened condensed milk 4 cups boiling water 1 tsp vanilla extract dash salt whipped cream and cinnamon if you like melt the chocolate over low heat. stir in the condensed milk. gradually add the water. after all that is blended add the vanilla and salt. Should make about 6 cups. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave Yes, to an extent. More a case of regulated pricing. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave The Canadian government subsidizes drugs on Oz? That can't be very cost-efficient. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Melt some really good quality dark chocolate (70%+ cocoa content) in full cream milk with a few of drops of vanilla in a saucepan (don't boil the milk). Stir constantly until the chocolate has melted. For variety add some Cinnamon, nutmeg or some finely chopped fresh chili (I haven't tried this one yet, I've only read about it). Cheers, Dave On 1/10/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:02 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: ... This is a Pentax list and ecstasy over our Pentax equipment is on topic. Excessive ecstasy over equipment is a sign that your priorities are out of whack. On this list, it seems to be an indicator that needed professional help or medication has been lacking, and expresses itself as a bipolar disorder, eg: I LOVE THE FEEL OF K-MOUNT LENSES. I HATE THE FEEL OF A-SERIES LENSES. YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ME. THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING SO YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ME ... etc. Stated over and over again, obsessively and without reason. Stupid. But if you like that kind of conversation, be my guest. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
At 9:17 PM +1300 1/10/07, David Mann wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote: It is supposed to be the brightest comet in many decades. That must be why it's raining here (is it even visible from the southern hemisphere anyway?) I think it will only be visible from the southern hemisphere starting sometime after the 12th. http://skytonight.com/observing/home/5133461.html -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
At 11:58 PM 10/01/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I LOVE THE FEEL OF K-MOUNT LENSES. I HATE THE FEEL OF A-SERIES LENSES. Maybe some K-Y Jelly might help? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? The Canadian government subsidizes drugs on Oz? That can't be very cost-efficient. LOL You know what I meant :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Bob Sullivan wrote: ... I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. ... If you can find two, let me know. I have been looking for an A28/2 since I bought the *ist DS. I've seen exactly two of them for sale in two years, and 'missed it by *that* much' on the auctions. Pentax: PLEASE make a compact DA28mm f/2 Limited with a simple, traditional screw-in metal lens hood!!! This one I would buy immediately. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
I suggest that you add a stiff dose of peppermint schnappes to whatever recipe you're using now -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Printing (on a budget)
For quite a time I'm considering printing myself my shots but being on a budget I couldn't decide what to do. I'm not (for now at least) printing much, really. 1/ I saw what a little Canon Selphy can do and honestly I fell on my bottom. Pretty good IMO. Directly from K10D using Pictbridge... very nice. Very affordable too. 2/ I'd like A3 but cost of those printers is ... well high ! Not even talking about ink and paper costs. 3/ The low-end A3 printers are OK for coulour as I understand but not that good for BW. A shame I'd like to print BW ... Given these 3 points I may be better to send those to my nearest Lab. What would you do? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I may have overstated my position somewhat, but I personally find endless tweaking on the computer irritating and circuitous. My photography style ends as it did when shot film... once the shutter is pressed. All of the technical (lens choice, aperture, shutter speed, etc) and photographic (subject selection, composition, lighting, etc) choices have been made once the shutter is depressed. After that point with film, I never did anything more than send it off to the lab. With digital, I do the roughly the same develop the digital RAW image in the most accurate, lossless, and tweak-free way. Maximizing dynamic range, color accuracy, and quantization errors is pretty much my limit. Unfortunately, just because you didn't do it, your style of photography didn't stop the 'endless tweaking' at the moment of shutter release. You simply left the tweaking to someone else to do ... someone who balanced the processing chemistry, ran the machines, adjusted each frame's color and density on the printer, processed the media, etc. A substantial amount of image processing was done to every print you obtained, whether automatically or by a human being. I do not do endless tweaking on the computer. Nor did I do endless tweaking in the darkroom. I apply my eyes to my intent with any given exposure and processed/process it to meet that goal. Most exposures of average subject matter (we're talking color and tonality here, not content) process from RAW to finished print using automation. Particular attention happens when it is 'difficult' ... out of the ordinary realm of automation to manage and achieve the goals I had in mind ... exposure. Knowing when to stop is the challenge, and that's one of the things that make one a photographer rather than a technician just dialing up numbers on a machine. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
David Savage wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada. In the US, working for a decent company that provides several health insurance plans, it can be anywhere from free for an individual in a basic plan, to what I pay: ~US$400/month for full family coverage (the wife, 2 kids, and myself; including eyecare, dental, mental, etc.). An example of how it works: My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer and was able to see the head of oncology at Johns Hopkins University Hospital for diagnosis and various treatment options. With hormone treatment and radiation therapy after about a year, he is cancer free and it cost him nothing other than his insurance premium. Also, there was no waiting for diagnosis and no delay in treatment. Perhaps in Canada it would have been completely free, but from what I've read about prostate cancer, (I have an interest in this particular illness for obvious reasons) the treatment options my dad was offered may not be allowed depending on the stage of cancer, etc, etc, and the diagnosis may have taken longer due to resource limitations and so-called waiting lists which may have made the illness worse. Of course, the reports I read/hear are US-centric. I don't live in Canada and don't pretend to understand how things really work there. WE just hear the horror stories. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Interesting approach to a breakfast drink ... thanks for the suggestion, Tom, but I don't drink except for an occasional taste of good wine and a beer once or twice a year. Shel [Original Message] From: (Tom Reese) I suggest that you add a stiff dose of peppermint schnappes to whatever recipe you're using now -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I read, health care might be free up North, but better is debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for diagnosis? As for guns... yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? (I believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US) I was, of course, being (somewhat) tongue-in-cheek. However: Certainly our healthcare system is far from perfect, but it's universal and much simpler to administrate than the American multi-level system. It's true that there are some inordinant waiting times, and that due to those, some (mostly rich people) decide to pay and seek treatment in the US. There have also been some instances where, for various reasons, usually involving funding, our public insurer has paid for some Canadians to obtain those services in the US. Generally that happens as we ramp up funding so that those services will be provided in a more timely fashion here. A particular example is MRI's. Several years ago we didn't have proper funding for sufficient operators, so waiting time was so long that it affected mortality rates. In that case Canadians were sent Down South while funding was put in place to train more MRI technicians so that we could get our service up to acceptable levels. I tend to think that many of the stories you hear about (while obviously true) are reports from a right-wing rabidly pro-free-market media, who knows how much funding they get from advertisers in the health insurance industry. You may see a couple of dozen stories a year, you never hear about the ~millions~ of Canadians who get top-notch service up here North of the Border. As for guns, well, yeah, we do own a lot of them. Not so many handguns, though, as they're very tightly restricted. Almost all handguns used in crimes are illegal ones. Yes, gun violence in cities (particularly Toronto) has escalated over the past few years, but it's nowhere American levels. We still have far fewer than 100 murders a year here: in 2005 out of 78 murders there were 52 handgun deaths. The murder rate went down in 2006 and the amount of gun deaths dropped in Toronto by some 46%. So much for reports that gun murders are out of control. The media was more than happy to scream to the world how violent Toronto and Canada are becoming; they seem oddly silent WRT 2006 stats. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07 9:53 AM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? I am not too familiar with this point and someone else should chime in. But universal medicare is not free of course, and we pay for it. I have not looked at my recent payroll slip but our overall donations to the government (tax, employment insurance, mandatory retirement plan and health care etc) must be relatively high. I do not have any breakdown for now. It is probably higher than in U.S. But nowhere near that of some of the Scandinavian countries. Personally, I believe our government has to be a bit more creative in structuring weighted health care payment to get more revenue. If someone demands special treatment, they should be able to charge small fees etc. But beyond this, it's not my expertise. I am reasonably satisfied with the social services in Canada, and believe it's worth paying. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:23 AM, William Robb wrote: I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or what is being photographed? By definitions I have read here, as soon as you pick up a camera, you are a photographer. ... This photography thing is a two edged sword, not a butchers knife. There is both a technical aspect and an aesthetic aspect involved. We tend to denigrate the dummy mode camera users who call themselves photographers, since they don't have a clue about the technical aspects, the *hows* of what we do, but really, if you don't have a sense of the aesthetic you are even more crippled regarding photography. The camera can make you sufficiently technically proficient, even on green dummy mode, but some education that trains the aesthetic eye is also required, to give you a sense of the *whys* of what we do. Agree with you completely, Bill. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/10 Wed PM 02:26:36 GMT To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. What are you not satisfied with? So many variables. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
I had one, and - not anticipating getting a DSLR - I sold it. Got a good price for it, but have since come to regret having sold it. So, that makes three of us who'd like that lens. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Bob Sullivan wrote: ... I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. ... If you can find two, let me know. I have been looking for an A28/2 since I bought the *ist DS. I've seen exactly two of them for sale in two years, and 'missed it by *that* much' on the auctions. Pentax: PLEASE make a compact DA28mm f/2 Limited with a simple, traditional screw-in metal lens hood!!! This one I would buy immediately. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in photographing a subject. I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well, at least to some degree. Further - and this just may be me - I don't recall ever seeing any of his photographs posted here, although he does talk a lot of technical stuff. IMO, one may record a scene and be considered a photographer by some - and maybe just holding a camera and pushing the button makes one a photographer - but I think there's more to it than that, that some creativity beyond just recording a scene and looking for an accurate color reproduction contributes to the making of a photographer. But then, I have often been called an elitist snob Of course, Rob, you're very technically oriented, and might that not color your opinions just as my limited technical expertise may color mine? Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how did you, or do you, deal with BW? Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or what is being photographed? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Oops sorry I missed the breakfast part. -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting approach to a breakfast drink ... thanks for the suggestion, Tom, but I don't drink except for an occasional taste of good wine and a beer once or twice a year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
whats well said here that changes anything I posted? I never stated that A series were unfocussable or overall not so good . What I did state and stand by what I stated, is that the mechanical precison of the A series is worse, not as good, inferior, to the earlier manual focus series Pentax Lenses like the Super/SMC Takumer/K/ M series. Thats all. He misunderstood what I was talking about or he wouldnt have posted a bunch of unrelated stuff like optical quality, plastic, rubber, 50mms only, autofocus lenses, etc. All that is not even on topic. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:34 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 Well said, Bob I'm not trimming a word of your response just in case anyone may have missed it. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan JCO, You're blowing things far out of proportion. The focus feel of the A lenses is very similar to the M's, K's, and screw mounts, especially when you start comparing to the higher quality A's. Your comparison to the 50's is flawed. And focus feel is less of an issue in these days of autofocus lenses. Yes, some of these cheaper A's traded plastic for metal, but I shot for a long time with a Super A, and the lighter weight was a feature - by design. Yes, I don't like the A28/2.8 and have fixed a copy with a spring problem on the A setting. Yes, I don't like the plastic body on the A50/1.7. But I really like the focus feel on my A15/3.5, A20/2.8, A24/2.8, A50/1.4, A85/1.4, A100/2.8 macro, A135/1.8, A200/4, A300/4, A400/5.6 and A35-105/3.5 zoom. They all feel good in the hand. (I'm buying Joe's A35/2 and I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. I've been close to an A100/2.8 but haven't been able to acquire one and have little interest in the A135/2.8 or A100/4 macro.) For 'bona fida's' on the lense issue, I own almost all the primes in the M catalogue except the M50/4 macro. The M28/2.0 and M300/4 were more difficult to find, but I've owned most of the rest from new. I also own most prime lenses from the K catalogue except the K15/3.5 and K300/4. (The K85/1.8, K30/2.8,and K200/2.5 were the toughest to find but are sweet. I'd still like to find a K28/2.0 to compare with the K20/4 I picked up long ago.) I've also acquired 85% of the SMC screwmount primes, from the 300/4 on down. They have a distinct tactile feel because of the lack of a rubber grip on the exterior. I've also got an assortment of the Super Tak's and older Pentax lenses that I picked up along the way. ...So I know the feel of my Pentax lenses. With these lenses, I can see the evolution of Pentax lens design from Super Takumar, to SMC, to K, to M, to A, from a Super Takumar 85/1.9 to the SMC 85/1.8 to the K85/1.8. They are clearly a family. For a time, I was troubled by the move to plastic, but I see it now as a natural transition to lighter lenses that are needed to support the move to big range zooms. And yes, the pre '70's SMC screwmount lenses have a slightly different feel in the hand. (With the metal exterior of the Limited Lenses, that feel could be duplicated in the Limited lenses except for the clicking of the autofocus mechanism as you focus manually.) In any case, it is a gross exaggeration to say the A line is not so good. The line has some of the highest quality prime lenses that Pentax has ever produced. Regards, Bob S. On 1/9/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, I only have 3 Pentax A lenses, all 50mm's like in new condtion. 2 50mmf1.4As and a 50mmf2.8A Macro. I have over 35 PENTAX K and M lenses (but over a dozen of those are 50 and 55mm ) and about a dozen third party PK lenses only four of those are A type. This is only PK lenses. I have a ton of Pentax third party M42 also. I probably have about 80+ 35mm SLR lenses in my personal collection... ALL FULL FRAME and ALL PENTAX K or PENTAX screw mount. I dont use or have any other makesOnly good thing about this overkill is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070109.html -- Technically that's not a UFO. We know what it is. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I believe knarf wrote no guns. Long guns IS guns and they kill just as good, if not better than, hand guns. I loved Bowling for Columbine. (flame retardant suit: ON). :-) As I said, I was joking (had no idea it would spark this debate. In Canada, handguns are so heavily restricted as to be virtually illegal. Yes, long guns are guns, but they don't become involved in inner city murders (which is where most of the gun deaths occur in Canada). It's hard to walk the streets inconspicuously with a rifle or shotgun in hand. So, with large rural areas, long guns are rather ubiquitous here, but they don't become involved in crime very often. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Whos all caps quote post is that? its a fake, in case anyone doesnt know, not mine certainly. Just to make things VERY clear, I didnt post that and I didnt call you an idiot for that reason at all, shall I repost why, no, everyone knows why, because you are saying you dont have any need for MF lenses and dont care, and then proceed to tell me and others that the differences in Pentax MF lens series dont matter because you use AF and its all just nonsense. Thats idiotic dude. And thats why I called you an idiot. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:02 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: ... This is a Pentax list and ecstasy over our Pentax equipment is on topic. Excessive ecstasy over equipment is a sign that your priorities are out of whack. On this list, it seems to be an indicator that needed professional help or medication has been lacking, and expresses itself as a bipolar disorder, eg: I LOVE THE FEEL OF K-MOUNT LENSES. I HATE THE FEEL OF A-SERIES LENSES. YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ME. THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING SO YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ME ... etc. Stated over and over again, obsessively and without reason. Stupid. But if you like that kind of conversation, be my guest. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
No it not as simple as me posting to the entire list. When I posted that reply, it was a reply to specific comments made by someone else, and was not directed at everyone just because its a public forum, it was directed specifically at him. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 On 10/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sir, I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to someone who already said he PREFERRED the focus feel of the K/M/M42 but then said it detract from the A usage. Thats contradictory. John, I know it may be a difficult concept for you to grasp but it's really very basic, when you post anything to the list you are effectively talking to everyone. Secondly there is really no need to shout as you regularly do using CAPITALIZATION when all I was doing was offering my position as a point of general discussion, I was not proffering my position as an absolute and unassailable truth. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Yes, I have, only after he says my posts are nonsense and then uses AF lenses examples as the reason why and it wasnt even about AF lenses. If your posts are idiotic, you get the honor of being called an idiot. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 John, I know it may be a difficult concept for you to grasp but it's really very basic, when you post anything to the list you are effectively talking to everyone. Secondly there is really no need to shout as you regularly do using CAPITALIZATION when all I was doing was offering my position as a point of general discussion, I was not proffering my position as an absolute and unassailable truth. Has he called anyone an idiot yet in this thread? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: eggs for photos
Actually, Craigslist can be kinda like that, Walter ann Walter Hamler wrote: Hi Pentaxians I just have eaten 3 ultrafresh eggs out of 6 I got today as some sort of payment for a few photos I made last summer. Hey Markus, that sound like the good old days to me!! That was the way folks got through life on a daily basis a hundred years ago. Maybe we would all be better off if we went back to it. ! LOL Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Excessive ecstasy over equipment is a sign that your priorities are out of whack. Is there such a thing as non-excessive ecstasy? By the way, passing judgement on people's priorities is out of whack. etc. Stated over and over again, obsessively and without reason. As I keep saying, I have applied a solution to the above problem, one which lets me enjoy the other postings. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
And keep the insulin handy! D Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/10/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. Yep. This one's a little work, but it's worth it. You need: 2 ounces unsweetened baking chocolate, broken into pieces 1 can sweetened condensed milk 4 cups boiling water 1 tsp vanilla extract dash salt whipped cream and cinnamon if you like melt the chocolate over low heat. stir in the condensed milk. gradually add the water. after all that is blended add the vanilla and salt. Should make about 6 cups. -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. A friend of mine always did that. He used the name Noah Vail ;-) One of my pseudonyms is Bendt Dikk Hansen. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Well MR, I ignore JCO, but refuse to stop insulting him Robb, he called my posts nonsense and proceeded with a very dumb, non factual argument explaining why. If he doesnt want to be called an idiot, I suggest he be able to back up his nonsense claims with a logical factual post first. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 Yes, he has ... You are an idiot if you cant even understand the topic. Try mute agreement, he might stop the personal attacks. Or, apply the internet rule about Adolf Hitler to JCO. As soon as he enters a thread, it's effectively over. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. knarF, Surely you jest. Actually, I was joking. There are many more significant differences. Our large francophone population along with the way we deal with multiculturalism come to mind immediately. I recall way back in grade 7 or 8, my teacher Mr. Wagner (wherever he is now) telling us that America is a melting pot, and we're a salad bowl. Immigrants come to your country to become part of American culture. In Canada they retain their particular flavour yet still become part of the whole (salad). I know that things have changed in the 40-odd years since that analogy was given to me, but there's still some truth to it. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: etc. Stated over and over again, obsessively and without reason. As I keep saying, I have applied a solution to the above problem, one which lets me enjoy the other postings. Absolutely. I only see those incoherent ravings because others keep including them as quotations and responding to them. It's quite annoying, I'll have to extend the filter to eliminate posts with quotes as well. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
I made a filter for JCO almost a year ago and it's still in place. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Has Mr. Hitler ever posted to the PDML? Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb Try mute agreement, he might stop the personal attacks. Or, apply the internet rule about Adolf Hitler to JCO. As soon as he enters a thread, it's effectively over. -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada.snip Actually, it does. Many workplaces have health plans, and one can purchase them privately (many small business owners choose to). There are some services that our health care doesn't cover, and typically such plans allow one to upgrade to a semi-private or private room in hospitals, that sort of thing. One can also get insurance for dental, orthodontic, optician, drug coverage, that sort of thing. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Life is not a play. in the US a rifle hanging over a fire place will hang there until it rusts. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of something else. Straw man argument, Peter. Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range where the victim has less chance of self defence. William Robb There you go. There is a *Russian* saying that goes like this: A gun hanging on the wall in the first act of the show will fire in the second act. Loosely translated by me. Boris -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Printing (on a budget)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 7:14 AM, Thibouille wrote: For quite a time I'm considering printing myself my shots but being on a budget I couldn't decide what to do. I'm not (for now at least) printing much, really. 1/ I saw what a little Canon Selphy can do and honestly I fell on my bottom. Pretty good IMO. Directly from K10D using Pictbridge... very nice. Very affordable too. 2/ I'd like A3 but cost of those printers is ... well high ! Not even talking about ink and paper costs. 3/ The low-end A3 printers are OK for coulour as I understand but not that good for BW. A shame I'd like to print BW ... Given these 3 points I may be better to send those to my nearest Lab. What would you do? If you want to print larger sizes in BW on a budget, I would recommend buying a used/refurbished Epson 1270/1280 series printer (available for around US $100 nowadays) and dedicating it to BW use. MIS UT-2 inks and the QuadToneRIP software from Roy Harrington will produce BW quality on par with the R2400 or other high-end printers. The reason I bought the R2400 was for consistency and repeatability when producing a large volume of prints that have to match when hanging in an exhibition. My 1270 with the above inks and software produces equal quality for BW, just not as consistently. I also find that running the R2400 is a little cheaper than running the 1270/MIS/ QTR setup, but if you're printing a modest amount that savings is trivial. For color work in larger sizes, well, I don't see anything to compete with the higher end printers. For small sizes there are a number that do awfully well at a modest price. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
History is written by the victors, it is re-written two or three generations later to show the flaws, long after the principals are dead and can no longer defend themselves. Cynically I see that as being why the judgment of history usually waits about 100 years. By then no one really cares. Boris Liberman wrote: Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: America before the Europeans was no Eden. There was an interesting article in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago concerning the mythology of the native Americans vs. the reality. The reality, in many cases, was rape, child molestation and sacrifice and even cannibalism. Running Bear and Little White Dove exist only in pop culture. Paul There is yet another saying, which I don't remember exactly who produced the first. Loosely translated from the way I know it, it sounds like this: History is always (re)written by the victors... See my hint? Boris -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
There are very few people in the US who feel the need to use them either. DagT wrote: Fra: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. Just like guns don't kill people. Cheers, Dave Note to Tom: here I go again... Guns don't kill people; bullets do. Guns don't kill people, frightened people with guns do. We have a lot of guns here, I think we had more per person than the US in some survey, but people usually don't feel the need to use them. DagT -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
The right pre-dates the act. The act was to keep a Catholic King from ever disarming Protestants. (No one can ever seem to keep Religion or Politics out of Statute Law). If you read the commentaries about the second amendment when it was originally written you'll find that the assumption was that everyone was armed. Bob W wrote: That claim is often overstated. The 1689 bill says this: That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law which is a long way from the claim that there is an absolute right for anybody to have guns. Even the 2nd amendment of the US consitution is wide open to different interpretations and certainly does not of necessity imply the freedom that the Charlton Heston lobby claims. The 1689 bill of rights also specifically excludes Papists from sitting in Parliament. Its value with respect to universal human rights is distinctly limited. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 10 January 2007 04:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Historically under English Common law, it's a right. After Centuries of attempts at limiting this right, and in specific opposition of the attempts by Charles II and James II to disarm all but those who supported them, it was revitalized in the English Deceleration of Right of 1689. (This by the way is seen by many as the direct ancestor of the US second amendment). Too bad that's being forgotten. Rights shouldn't be given up so easily. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
Here's what I suggest you try: Start with at least 80% dark chocolate 1 cup of creamed milk 2 drops of vanilla extract large mixing bowl 2 eggs (whites only) 1 lb of sugar 2 tablespoons of Tabasco black decker 3 hp mixer 1 can yellow corn (sweet) 2 gallons of cheap red wine 1 can spicy hot chili with beans 1 can of peanut butter (for consistency) 2 beef spare ribs (barbecued) 1 9mm handgun 1 insurance plan (US) Stir all together using mixer in mixing bowl, consume contents, if your insurance plan doesn't cover you, then you can always use the 9 mil. Norm Shel Belinkoff wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
