Re: TA
On 24/11/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. Yeah but there's been a few dicks in the past. One thought nobody's mentioned: what about the models in nude portraiture. They obviously want to express themselves through nude portraiture - the photographer is the messenger. Bruce, some nice messages mate! Respecting Frank's position, Cot -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life in the Snow
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:44 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: We got a teeny bit of snow on the weekend. It's all but gone now, at least it is down here by the lake. More significantly we are having wintry temps now. It was around -10C this morning which is cold for Toronto in November. Anyway, haven't taken many pix lately. This one from about five years ago reminded me of this weekend's dusting: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2009/01/shopping-in-snow.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Nice bike, well presented. The temperature around here is just getting below freezing, no snow yet but a lot of rain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25 Nov 2013, at 03:10, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:04 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: We disagree on many issues, Paul. But you're always a gentleman. And a friend. Wrong. But a friend. That's all I aspire to. Let's do a male nude pug. It would be interesting to see who could do it justice . Where's Godfrey's Well Hung picture from Camden Lock when you need it? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - First Night in Zion
http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/first-night-in-zion.html Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SV: PESO - From Dante's viewpoint
Thanks for commenting; Bruce W., Christine, Attila, Rick, Don (and wife), Bob W., Ann and Paul. I'm very glad I bothered to drive up to Dante's Viewpoint. If any of you go to Death Valley in the future, make sure you get up there too. It's a perfect spot for watching the sunset, if nothing else; but the's a lot of great motifs up there too. I met a couple of guys from Las Vegas who had come up specifically to shoot the sunset from there. Nice blokes. The leaving shot features the lights from their car. I explained what I had in mind, and they promised to drive slowly and evenly to make the light trail steady. Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne Dato: 24. november 2013 16:14 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - From Dante's viewpoint http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/at-dantes-viewpoint.html Four images, last batch from Death Valley. Fourth image specially for Jack. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - First Night in Zion
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/first-night-in-zion.html Jostein I really like Kolob Canyons, good mistake:) Moonlight on Hidden Canyon is also very nice. The tree in the lower right seems to be brighter than the rest, maybe from car lights? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
knarf wrote: The Saskatchewan Roughriders (a football team, not a condom) That reminds me there's only about a month to go before the 2013 quotations list will be revealed! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SV: PESO - First Night in Zion
Fra: Attila Boros I really like Kolob Canyons, good mistake:) Moonlight on Hidden Canyon is also very nice. The tree in the lower right seems to be brighter than the rest, maybe from car lights? Umm... Actually that was caused by accidentally turning my headlamp on for a few seconds during exposure. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25/11/2013 2:34 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 24/11/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. Yeah but there's been a few dicks in the past. One thought nobody's mentioned: what about the models in nude portraiture. They obviously want to express themselves through nude portraiture - the photographer is the messenger. Bruce, some nice messages mate! Respecting Frank's position, Respect Frank's position all you want. I'm in it for the titties. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
TA = Tonsillectomy with adenoidectomy. I have no idea why we're discussing it on PDML. (should I get out more?) Rick On Nov 24, 2013, at 23:47 , Boris Liberman wrote: Or, and I totally forgot to ask you - what TA means? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life in the Snow
I really like this one, Frank. The composition is interesting and the BW rendering is perfect. Rick - Original Message - From: knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: PESO - Still Life in the Snow We got a teeny bit of snow on the weekend. It's all but gone now, at least it is down here by the lake. More significantly we are having wintry temps now. It was around -10C this morning which is cold for Toronto in November. Anyway, haven't taken many pix lately. This one from about five years ago reminded me of this weekend's dusting: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2009/01/shopping-in-snow.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
Boris, It's a reference I first heard in connection with a Bill Fossie Broadway Theater production. The song suggested the customers wanted to see some TITS and ASS. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Or, and I totally forgot to ask you - what TA means? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
There's also the not-so-minor consideration of the fact that, at least in my limited experience (albeit, all non-nude), women seem to be much more apt to agree to be photographed. The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. -- Walt On 11/24/2013 8:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body choose to celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend who works in oils once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's body much more inspiring. She much prefers males for other purposes. Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should be done here. And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to purchasers is male-dominated. Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Monster Family
Does Richard take the formal shots and Rick the informal ones? Your NYC trip has been productive, maybe doubley so. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: A Halloween slice-of-life near Times Square: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597029size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Not too cold for him.
:-) On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A church group of unknown denomination braved some cold November weather to offer their message. Good to see so many smiles. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610280size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
Yes, my team won, even though i am not from Sask. Dave On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Saskatchewan Roughriders (a football team, not a condom) just won the Gray Cup, emblematic of Canadian Football supremacy. Congratulations to the entire province of Saskatchewan. Especially Bill. cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT, the blue line?
Larry, The Blue line is a bit reworked from the old days. Today, the line runs from O'Hare, past Wrigley Field, thru Downtown, and out to Oak Park/Forest Park to the west. The Blue line may have been just the northern line before the extension to O'Hare. The line west was Green to my recollection. Bob On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Last night I had dinner at a pretty good pizza place in Campbell: http://bluelinepizza.com/ A friend suggested it, I like corn meal crusts, so it sounded like a good idea at the time. It wasn't until about half way through dinner that I paid any attention to the name. So, Chicago peeps, is there any special significance to the Blue Line? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
I don't know a lot about Canadian Football, but one would think they could come up with a proper trophy for the championship rather than simply awarding a protective cup, and a gray one at that. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, my team won, even though i am not from Sask. Dave On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Saskatchewan Roughriders (a football team, not a condom) just won the Gray Cup, emblematic of Canadian Football supremacy. Congratulations to the entire province of Saskatchewan. Especially Bill. cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
The Grey Cup (I spelled it wrong earlier) was presented to the Canadian football champion as a challenge cup 101 years ago by Albert, fourth Earl of Grey, then Governor General of the Dominion of Canada. The first game was played at Rosedale field about a block from where I used to live. Cheers, frank Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know a lot about Canadian Football, but one would think they could come up with a proper trophy for the championship rather than simply awarding a protective cup, and a gray one at that. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, my team won, even though i am not from Sask. Dave On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Saskatchewan Roughriders (a football team, not a condom) just won the Gray Cup, emblematic of Canadian Football supremacy. Congratulations to the entire province of Saskatchewan. Especially Bill. cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
knarf wrote: The Grey Cup (I spelled it wrong earlier) was presented to the Canadian football champion as a challenge cup 101 years ago by Albert, fourth Earl of Grey Was it filled with tea? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Staying WarmIt
On 11/24/2013 6:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Doh. Stay warm. I hate phones. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It was 16 degrees F this morning -- about -9 Celsius. This guy found a spot to try to stay warn. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610281size=lg For certain small values of warm. He may have found a wind break, but he's still up to his butt in icewater. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 14 image presentation from class
On 11/24/2013 8:12 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 08:56:21PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ken, This was a master class on finding what inspires you to take photos. Sounds awesome. I wish I had the time to take classes and improve my photography. I'd be happy to start by having the time to get enough sleep. We'll make sure that's engraved on your tombstone... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: peso the courthouse steps
Thanks to all that looked and commented like Dan,Chris,Ken, Bruce,Knarf,Attila, Brian. There was a question about the lens it was the Rokinon version 8mm. It seems well built and has a permanent lens hood. For any Olympus mirror-less users it works quite well and is less fishy due to crop-factor. uoting Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com: Cleaning up the hard drive don't remember posting this here. A link to SmugMug, Flickr and I posted it to Google + if someone wants that link. I think they are all the same picture. CC always welcome. http://donspix.smugmug.com/Architecture/Buildings-Architecture/i-fVf5T4g/0/L/CourtHouse%20%2026818-L.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/10999649525/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
I think Paul had a point though. If YOU think it's a problem, YOU are the one who should do something about supplying a solution. On 11/25/2013 12:32 AM, knarf wrote: I don't have a hang up on nudity at all. I'm not offended by seeing naked bodies, either male or female. I also disagree with statements that the female body is more aesthetically pleasing than the male. It's different but not more beautiful. Some of the best nudes I've seen are of men. I can be sexually aroused by a woman's body but that's not a problem either. It's that we simply don't show male nudes here. It doesn't have to be 50/50; I don't know what it should be, just that the ratio here is not right. That's treating men and women differently when it comes to body portrayals and while I won't say it's wrong I will say I don't like it. Cheers, frank Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I understand your point Frank, but I think that Paul has a valid point. Women are much more aesthetically pleasing than men to many. I don't object to either male or female nudes really. Its 2013, not 1892, but that's me. Mind you this is also coming from the guy that wishes more women wore dresses and knew how to cook (a dying breed), so maybe I'm just old fashioned in my own ways. I guess you object to women being the focus. Fair enough, but for what its worth not many people desire to see naked men. When it comes to women though, even completely straight females seem to appreciate the female form. I've had countless women tell me that they vastly prefer to look at other females nude, so maybe there is something to that. I'm not gay or female so I'm generally not attracted to men. Nudes are a form of fine art photography that have stretched back to the pictorialism era and have dominated works of art since men started painting on caves and throwing pottery. Actually I think that there really isn't objectification going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here, but I don't know you so maybe I'm totally off base. This is an age old debate that I think our society would benefit from moving on from and becoming more accepting of the human form. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
I had a little old lady bring in one of those disposable cameras when I was running the photo-lab. It was all male nudes. She told me she was a painter had just come back from a trip to Europe. I guess it was an opportunity to find models she couldn't find locally (Raleigh not being as cosmopolitan as Rome or Amsterdam). Fortunately, she brought it in while I was there not while some of my more fundamentalistly uptight co-workers were operating the lab. On 11/24/2013 9:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body choose to celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend who works in oils once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's body much more inspiring. She much prefers males for other purposes. Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should be done here. And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to purchasers is male-dominated. Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
I'm pretty sure I remember someone posting uncensored photos of Michaelangelo's David from a trip to Europe. I know it's not the same as male live models, but you gotta' go with what you got. On 11/25/2013 3:34 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 24/11/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. Yeah but there's been a few dicks in the past. One thought nobody's mentioned: what about the models in nude portraiture. They obviously want to express themselves through nude portraiture - the photographer is the messenger. Bruce, some nice messages mate! Respecting Frank's position, Cot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
On 11/25/2013 11:41 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: knarf wrote: The Grey Cup (I spelled it wrong earlier) was presented to the Canadian football champion as a challenge cup 101 years ago by Albert, fourth Earl of Grey Was it filled with tea? It's not a Dixie Cup, and you don't want to be drinkin' out of it ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Congratulations, William!
Earl Grey tea was a present to Albert's grandfather, the 2nd Earl Grey. It was prepared by a specialty tea shop for the rich and famous in London. I doubt any of it ever found it's way into the Grey Cup. Cheers, frank Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: knarf wrote: The Grey Cup (I spelled it wrong earlier) was presented to the Canadian football champion as a challenge cup 101 years ago by Albert, fourth Earl of Grey Was it filled with tea? “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Because they're different. That could be an excuse for all manner of discriminatory practices... Cheers, frank Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: There's also the not-so-minor consideration of the fact that, at least in my limited experience (albeit, all non-nude), women seem to be much more apt to agree to be photographed. The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. -- Walt On 11/24/2013 8:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body choose to celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend who works in oils once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's body much more inspiring. She much prefers males for other purposes. Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should be done here. And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to purchasers is male-dominated. Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: TA
Maybe I will... However, in the meanwhile my solution is to not comment on female nudes until a more equitable ratio of female to male nudes is presented. As I said earlier, last thing I would do is tell anyone what they should or shouldn't photograph. Cheers, frank John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I think Paul had a point though. If YOU think it's a problem, YOU are the one who should do something about supplying a solution. On 11/25/2013 12:32 AM, knarf wrote: I don't have a hang up on nudity at all. I'm not offended by seeing naked bodies, either male or female. I also disagree with statements that the female body is more aesthetically pleasing than the male. It's different but not more beautiful. Some of the best nudes I've seen are of men. I can be sexually aroused by a woman's body but that's not a problem either. It's that we simply don't show male nudes here. It doesn't have to be 50/50; I don't know what it should be, just that the ratio here is not right. That's treating men and women differently when it comes to body portrayals and while I won't say it's wrong I will say I don't like it. Cheers, frank Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I understand your point Frank, but I think that Paul has a valid point. Women are much more aesthetically pleasing than men to many. I don't object to either male or female nudes really. Its 2013, not 1892, but that's me. Mind you this is also coming from the guy that wishes more women wore dresses and knew how to cook (a dying breed), so maybe I'm just old fashioned in my own ways. I guess you object to women being the focus. Fair enough, but for what its worth not many people desire to see naked men. When it comes to women though, even completely straight females seem to appreciate the female form. I've had countless women tell me that they vastly prefer to look at other females nude, so maybe there is something to that. I'm not gay or female so I'm generally not attracted to men. Nudes are a form of fine art photography that have stretched back to the pictorialism era and have dominated works of art since men started painting on caves and throwing pottery. Actually I think that there really isn't objectification going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here, but I don't know you so maybe I'm totally off base. This is an age old debate that I think our society would benefit from moving on from and becoming more accepting of the human form. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Discriminatory practices aren't necessarily bad things, and I wouldn't want to live in a world in which no one discriminates. -- Walt On 11/25/2013 12:26 PM, knarf wrote: Because they're different. That could be an excuse for all manner of discriminatory practices... Cheers, frank Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: There's also the not-so-minor consideration of the fact that, at least in my limited experience (albeit, all non-nude), women seem to be much more apt to agree to be photographed. The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. -- Walt On 11/24/2013 8:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body choose to celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend who works in oils once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's body much more inspiring. She much prefers males for other purposes. Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should be done here. And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to purchasers is male-dominated. Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
How do you test your memory cards?
Do any of you know of software for testing memory cards? I'm looking for something that can really put them through their paces to make sure they won't fail. I've got a pile o' SD memory cards going back to when I got the K10D in 2006. Most are much newer than that, but I want to test them all before I go on my Italy trip next spring, and I want to do it now since there tend to be very good deals on new cards this time of year. I know that at least one of my cards has had issues in the middle of shooting before, but I failed to mark which card that was and I don't want to risk losing photos while abroad. Thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How do you test your memory cards?
I don't know about card testing software, but here's a suggestion. Be sure to hard-format each card in the computer you will be unloading them with. I failed to do that with the new 32G card I got -- I just started using it as it came -- and it crapped out on me, losing me a handful of useful shots. I was so utterly pissed off. The card showed up okay in the camera but I could not mount it on my Mac no matter what I did. I finally was forced to format it, first in the camera and then again on the Mac. Seems to be working fine now, but I'm still nervous about it of course. I have taken to using the write-on-both-cards K-3 feature for safety. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of you know of software for testing memory cards? I'm looking for something that can really put them through their paces to make sure they won't fail. I've got a pile o' SD memory cards going back to when I got the K10D in 2006. Most are much newer than that, but I want to test them all before I go on my Italy trip next spring, and I want to do it now since there tend to be very good deals on new cards this time of year. I know that at least one of my cards has had issues in the middle of shooting before, but I failed to mark which card that was and I don't want to risk losing photos while abroad. Thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
First of all I have to thank Boris and Larry for clarifying the subject line. Frank please don't abbreviate when talking about male nudes, it doesn't do the subject justice g On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:14 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. What comments would it get? It's crooked, you need to straighten it in Photoshop or sorry dude, pharallax error:) A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. Can't tell what would I say about that without actually seeing the photos. I'm straight so possibly no reaction at all unless they are really good in a photographic sense. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? It's okay to post whatever sexuality you want, as long as your models are adults and willing. Me not commenting would mean I didn't find it interesting or don't have anything constructive to say. Or simply not having the time. But it certainly won't offend me in any way. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. There's nothing wrong with that. Some photos are aiming to be just sexy, others are artistic nudes, pinup, glamour or what other genres are there. You generalize a bit much. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. That's where I disagree. That photo would accentuate the sexual aspects of their personality without telling much about the other aspects. But isn't that the point of the genre? It wouldn't take away anything. I don't expect to see a photo of a person (nude or otherwise) and say that I know him or her. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. Males are also sexualized, maybe not as much. Think about the new trend of metrosexual men for example. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). I respect your position and having equality also in this regard would be good (at least for the ladies on the list g), it would be difficult to achieve. Maybe you could start by posting some BMX bikers doing tricks with naked upper body. Lighting that in an erotic way goes much beyond my abilities so don't ask me how to do it. Maybe Bruce would know:) In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. You didn't come through as being prude, and I don't care at all about politics or being politically correct, so you have nothing to worry about:) -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How do you test your memory cards?
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:39 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of you know of software for testing memory cards? I'm looking for something that can really put them through their paces to make sure they won't fail. Originally developed to detect fake cards, it can be used for general testing: http://mympx.org/Downloads/p13_sectionid/2/p13_fileid/13 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How do you test your memory cards?
No idea how to test cards other than by using them or using a volume/file system testing application. But general wisdom is to always format your cards in the camera that's going to use them, not the computer that will be used to upload the files. I have a ton of old cards from 2004-2007 too, but I don't worry about them. Or use them much any more. Six 32G SDHC cards bought today will hold more than all those old cards put together, cost less, and are much faster. And more reliable. Godfrey On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: but here's a suggestion. Be sure to hard-format each card in the computer you will be unloading them with. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:14 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. Nor have you ever seen a vagina here. At least not that I can recall. i don't think we need to see either organ. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How do you test your memory cards?
Odd. I format them in the camera before use, but have never bothered to format them on the computer. No trouble. Rick On Nov 25, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't know about card testing software, but here's a suggestion. Be sure to hard-format each card in the computer you will be unloading them with. I failed to do that with the new 32G card I got -- I just started using it as it came -- and it crapped out on me, losing me a handful of useful shots. I was so utterly pissed off. The card showed up okay in the camera but I could not mount it on my Mac no matter what I did. I finally was forced to format it, first in the camera and then again on the Mac. Seems to be working fine now, but I'm still nervous about it of course. I have taken to using the write-on-both-cards K-3 feature for safety. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of you know of software for testing memory cards? I'm looking for something that can really put them through their paces to make sure they won't fail. I've got a pile o' SD memory cards going back to when I got the K10D in 2006. Most are much newer than that, but I want to test them all before I go on my Italy trip next spring, and I want to do it now since there tend to be very good deals on new cards this time of year. I know that at least one of my cards has had issues in the middle of shooting before, but I failed to mark which card that was and I don't want to risk losing photos while abroad. Thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Monster Family
Nothing so organized! The new Yahoo email interface is such a malodorous, fly-covered turd that I started using the Apple mail program. It used the name assigned to the system; and it took me a while to catch on and make things less formal again. Rick On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Does Richard take the formal shots and Rick the informal ones? Your NYC trip has been productive, maybe doubley so. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: A Halloween slice-of-life near Times Square: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597029size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Evening Shift Snack
Along the Avenue of the Americas: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610339size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How do you test your memory cards?
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:39 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of you know of software for testing memory cards? I'm looking for something that can really put them through their paces to make sure they won't fail. Originally developed to detect fake cards, it can be used for general testing: http://mympx.org/Downloads/p13_sectionid/2/p13_fileid/13 Thanks, I'll give that a try. I always format my cards in-camera before I start shooting, but I just want to be sure none of my older cards (which I keep as backups) are going to fail anytime soon. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
There are several reasons. First of all there it's sociological conditioning. Then there is the case that the mix of emotion affecting hormones trends to skew differently in men than in women, otherwise folks who are transitioning wouldn't need to take hormones for their target gender. While it is wrong to make blanket assumptions about someone's preferences out abilities based on their plumbing, it is just as wrong to insist that everyone is the same. Statistically, men and women behave differently. For example, look at the gender distribution on this list. In a similar vein,I have had many more women ask me to photograph them than men, and they are far more likely to ask to be photographed nude. Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
Not really, equality of opportunity is not equity of outcome. I don't think that anyone here is turning models down because of their plumbing or sexual identity. Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
Frank, If you want me to read this without giggling you have to get rid of the sig. And, to be serious, you can objectify people without having them remove their clothes. I find the objectification of non-nude people (starving hordes, minorities, fat, thin, old, etc.) to be much more offensive than the potential for the same from pictures of an informedly consenting naked person showing us what they look like. As a biologist and member of the species, I am constantly enthralled at the multitudinous forms the human corpus can take. You say that being photographed nude shows them as primarily sexual persons - well, they are. And so are you and everyone else on the planet. It's our primal urge and there's nothing we can do about it. Artistically, if it sexualises the model then it also sexualises the viewer - you can't have one without the other. Having said all that; you are right that there is a disparity, although I think it is lessening. So a question. If the disparity disappears but there are still nudes of both sexes being viewed by both sexes, has the problem gone away? On 25/11/2013, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25 Nov 2013, at 13:45, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: TA = Tonsillectomy with adenoidectomy. I have no idea why we're discussing it on PDML. (should I get out more?) Rick Dunno, sounds deep and throaty enough already to me. B On Nov 24, 2013, at 23:47 , Boris Liberman wrote: Or, and I totally forgot to ask you - what TA means? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25 Nov 2013, at 19:16, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:14 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. Nor have you ever seen a vagina here. At least not that I can recall. i don't think we need to see either organ. If the good Lord had wanted us to see those organs, he wouldn't have given us light switches! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25 Nov 2013, at 19:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving' exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if you don't want to. All those people are 'us'. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 25 Nov 2013, at 19:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving' exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if you don't want to. All those people are 'us'. Of course. My tongue was firmly planted in cheek. Paul PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT PESO - For Frank
G'day All, *NSFW (possibly) warning* http://500px.com/photo/53164966 D800, 50mm f1.4, f10 @ 1/160, ISO 100. Beauty dish slightly above models eye level camera left. I have some thoughts on Franks comments on the lack of objectified images of men that I'll get to in the morning. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 25 Nov 2013, at 19:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving' exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if you don't want to. All those people are 'us'. Of course. My tongue was firmly planted in cheek. Paul PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS - two like-new K-5
[I know it's not a Friday, sorry.] I'm posting this for a net acquaintance: Don Neal says: I have 2 K-5 bodies for sale - little use - purchased body #2 as an insurance policy for a large project. Both come in boxes with all accessories - would like $1100.00 for the pair or $600.00 for a single. Please contact Don directly here: doncn...@yahoo.com Cheers! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - For Frank
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:34 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, *NSFW (possibly) warning* http://500px.com/photo/53164966 D800, 50mm f1.4, f10 @ 1/160, ISO 100. Beauty dish slightly above models eye level camera left. That's very nice lighting and a beautiful model. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - For Frank
Excellent lighting, model and nicely toned bw too, Dave. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, *NSFW (possibly) warning* http://500px.com/photo/53164966 D800, 50mm f1.4, f10 @ 1/160, ISO 100. Beauty dish slightly above models eye level camera left. I have some thoughts on Franks comments on the lack of objectified images of men that I'll get to in the morning. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K3 PEF to DNG conversion.
Hi all, Picked up my K3 from the shop today, but had to use it almost right away without much time to get everything perfect. Did most of the required settings, but blundered with the RAW. It was set to PEF instead of my prefered DNG ... So I ended up with about 40 PEF's that my LR 4.4 or CS 6 probably do not know about. What are my options to convert to DNG? Does the supplied software support that (the manual does not say anything about it AFAICT). Other option could be to upgrade to LR 5.x, and use the PEF's as is, but I would rather stick with DNG. TIA, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion.
did you try the latest version of Adobe's DNG converter (8.2) http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5646 I am not sure it will cope with K3's PEF format but worth a try? Alastair On 26 November 2013 10:00, Jan van Wijk pen...@dfsee.com wrote: Hi all, Picked up my K3 from the shop today, but had to use it almost right away without much time to get everything perfect. Did most of the required settings, but blundered with the RAW. It was set to PEF instead of my prefered DNG ... So I ended up with about 40 PEF's that my LR 4.4 or CS 6 probably do not know about. What are my options to convert to DNG? Does the supplied software support that (the manual does not say anything about it AFAICT). Other option could be to upgrade to LR 5.x, and use the PEF's as is, but I would rather stick with DNG. TIA, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
December PUG Countdown
G'day all Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil, nada submissions. (well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...) Theme: Chaos Nom. closing date 30 Nov Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion.
I can se two options: 1) Install Pentax Camera Utility 5.0 and see if it has such PEF-DNG conversion feature. 2) Wait for next Adobe DNG converter including K-3 PEF's as recognizable files and do the conversion. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Jan van Wijk Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:00 PM To: Pentax discussion forum Subject: K3 PEF to DNG conversion. Hi all, Picked up my K3 from the shop today, but had to use it almost right away without much time to get everything perfect. Did most of the required settings, but blundered with the RAW. It was set to PEF instead of my prefered DNG ... So I ended up with about 40 PEF's that my LR 4.4 or CS 6 probably do not know about. What are my options to convert to DNG? Does the supplied software support that (the manual does not say anything about it AFAICT). Other option could be to upgrade to LR 5.x, and use the PEF's as is, but I would rather stick with DNG. TIA, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3629/6866 - Data di rilascio: 25/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion.
se = see In the mean time, you can do the in-camera PEF-to-JPG conversion and use the JPG files. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion. I can se two options: 1) Install Pentax Camera Utility 5.0 and see if it has such PEF-DNG conversion feature. 2) Wait for next Adobe DNG converter including K-3 PEF's as recognizable files and do the conversion. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Jan van Wijk Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:00 PM To: Pentax discussion forum Subject: K3 PEF to DNG conversion. Hi all, Picked up my K3 from the shop today, but had to use it almost right away without much time to get everything perfect. Did most of the required settings, but blundered with the RAW. It was set to PEF instead of my prefered DNG ... So I ended up with about 40 PEF's that my LR 4.4 or CS 6 probably do not know about. What are my options to convert to DNG? Does the supplied software support that (the manual does not say anything about it AFAICT). Other option could be to upgrade to LR 5.x, and use the PEF's as is, but I would rather stick with DNG. TIA, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3629/6866 - Data di rilascio: 25/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3629/6866 - Data di rilascio: 25/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion.
this thread suggests that the Camera Utility from silkypix that came with the K3 can do the conversion http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_5_3_rc_can_you_add_camera_support_for_new_pentax_k_3_to_this_update Alastair On 26 November 2013 10:24, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: I can se two options: 1) Install Pentax Camera Utility 5.0 and see if it has such PEF-DNG conversion feature. 2) Wait for next Adobe DNG converter including K-3 PEF's as recognizable files and do the conversion. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Jan van Wijk Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:00 PM To: Pentax discussion forum Subject: K3 PEF to DNG conversion. Hi all, Picked up my K3 from the shop today, but had to use it almost right away without much time to get everything perfect. Did most of the required settings, but blundered with the RAW. It was set to PEF instead of my prefered DNG ... So I ended up with about 40 PEF's that my LR 4.4 or CS 6 probably do not know about. What are my options to convert to DNG? Does the supplied software support that (the manual does not say anything about it AFAICT). Other option could be to upgrade to LR 5.x, and use the PEF's as is, but I would rather stick with DNG. TIA, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3629/6866 - Data di rilascio: 25/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25/11/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. Walt, I love you man. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25/11/13, Attila Boros, discombobulated, unleashed: That's where I disagree. That photo would accentuate the sexual aspects of their personality without telling much about the other aspects. But isn't that the point of the genre? It wouldn't take away anything. I don't expect to see a photo of a person (nude or otherwise) and say that I know him or her. That's very astute, and valid. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: December PUG Countdown
Hmmm. Nothing comes to mind yet. But with 20 people (four our whom are under the age of 8) coming here for Thanksgiving there should be plenty of chaos. Maybe I'll get something then. :] -p On 11/25/2013 3:24 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil, nada submissions. (well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...) Theme: Chaos Nom. closing date 30 Nov Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
knarf wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up that kind of photography? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On 25/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up that kind of photography? Selfies! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Dario, On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:28:19 +0100 Dario Bonazza wrote: In the mean time, you can do the in-camera PEF-to-JPG conversion and use the JPG files. Of course, why did I not think of that! The images are not that important, quality wise, some family-meeting shots, so JPG's are fine! Thanks for the tip! Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Alistair, On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:29:04 +1300 Alastair Robertson wrote: this thread suggests that the Camera Utility from silkypix that came with the K3 can do the conversion http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_5_3_rc_can_you_add_camera_support_for_new_pentax_k_3_to_this_update OK, will see. Guess I could install that anyway (normally use Lightroom). I guess it comes as a MAC version too, not just Windows. Will look into that tomorrow. Thanks! Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts knarf wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up that kind of photography? Not at all. For every female nude that someone posts, Larry will post a nudey shot of himself in the same pose. In a cold studio. p.s., here in London we have a VA Museum. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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25. nov. 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: knarf wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up that kind of photography? I agree with Mark. Also I don´t agree that men are looking at women as objects when they take nude photos. We may be programmed to this but I think most men look at women with fascination. Not necessarily sexual, but graceful, beautiful or lots of other feelings. Usually we look for beautiful motifs to photograph, so why not the ones that fascinates us the most. So men will prefer to take pictures of women. Maybe the women should get better at photographing men, but of course we are not as interesting... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DagT wrote: So men will prefer to take pictures of women. Maybe the women should get better at photographing men, but of course we are not as interesting... My reply: This thread shines for the missing contribution of the PDML gals... Let's put it this way: Girl, if one day you'll agree to take pictures of a naked human being and want to do a great picture (hence not just the one most appealing to you for genre reasons) would you want to have a man or a woman as your ideal subject? Curious Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT 25. nov. 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: knarf wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up that kind of photography? I agree with Mark. Also I don´t agree that men are looking at women as objects when they take nude photos. whether men are looking at women this way or not, or vice versa, I don't believe anyone has to justify (except to themselves) what they photograph, provided everyone involved [1] has freely given their informed consent. B [1] in a public place, of course, you do not even require the subject's consent. We may be programmed to this but I think most men look at women with fascination. Not necessarily sexual, but graceful, beautiful or lots of other feelings. Usually we look for beautiful motifs to photograph, so why not the ones that fascinates us the most. So men will prefer to take pictures of women. Maybe the women should get better at photographing men, but of course we are not as interesting... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As I said earlier in the thread, most of the female photogs that I know who shoot nudes prefer to shoot women. The last larger nude mixed exhibition that I visited had probably 50/50 male/female photogs and most of the images on the wall were of females, there were a few male nude shots, mostly by males and many of those were far less tastefully shot than the female nudes, in your face so to speak. On 26 November 2013 09:59, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: DagT wrote: So men will prefer to take pictures of women. Maybe the women should get better at photographing men, but of course we are not as interesting... My reply: This thread shines for the missing contribution of the PDML gals... Let's put it this way: Girl, if one day you'll agree to take pictures of a naked human being and want to do a great picture (hence not just the one most appealing to you for genre reasons) would you want to have a man or a woman as your ideal subject? Curious Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As the named precipitator of this thread I better weigh in before the puns start in earnest. :-) First I must say I'm _quite_ relieved that your issue is of a general nature rather than being something I'm specifically doing. I was beginning to fear I was offending you with frequent depictions of undraped windows. Then let me say Frank that I think the PDML sample size is simply too small to be representative of the world in general. If there were many more PESO contributors here I think a male nude might have been posted by now. As it is, I may eventually have the honour of granting your wish as I work my way through the local model list and my personal projects. I am a big fan of Mapplethorpe and his figure studies (his lighting and bw toning is meticulous and exquisite) and I want to improve in that direction. When I get a chance to shoot a buff, body-building male I will go for it. If you were to look just at the Flickr world (I know you're not a fan, but it's an example) you would find a lot of male nudes. They are numerous and varied. But Flickr is a huge community compared to the PDML. It just happens that nobody here is interested in shooting male nudes. My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I could be wrong, but I think I'm also in good company that way. And I think it boils down to sexual attraction mechanisms in typical humans. Unlike other species, among humans the females expend huge amounts of energy and time making themselves visually attractive to males. Males spend very little time in comparison reciprocating. And unsurprisingly, male humans are hardwired to be sexually stimulated by images, especially images of females. The reverse doesn't apply: there are plenty of studies that show that women are not turned on by viewing male erotica to the same extent as men are by female erotica. In fact, penises are considered by most people of both sexes to be amusing, funny looking and/or simply ugly. But women's bodies are universally admired by both sexes. Look around you: at least two dozen beauty, hair, and nails shops exist to every one barber shop. But at least 12 dozen men's porn and erotic magazines to every one woman's. (Is Playgirl still even published?) How many women's clothing stores exist for every one man's? It's just the way it is. Everyone, men and women, think images of females are esthetically pleasing, but only very specific images of men are (eg hunky actors and bodybuilders). For myself, I think your quest is worthy of a Cervantes character. :-) Oh yeah: then there's the issue of the PDML list itself. I could be mistaken, but I find I get a pretty lukewarm reception to images of models fully clothed, and downright chilly to semi-nude and nude ones. Posting anything pornier than that (and uncovered genitals would be interpreted that way I fear) could bring out the pitchforks and torches. I can't be the only PESO pusher who has had that reaction. The PDML has no appetite for it. I know that you're not a prude, Frank, and I'm certainly not either. But I think the list contains a large percentage of, if not prudes, then folks uncomfortable viewing nudes. Maybe it's the large percentage USA makeup? [There. I said it. :-) That should breathe new life into this thread.] On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! Cheers, frank -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The simple solution: shoot some male nudes and post them, Oh, a chance for a selfie. Dave I would think that someone who fervently believes there should be balance would strive to make that happen rather than merely complaining . I shot a nude self portrait in sycamore canyon about a dozen years ago. Hmmm. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should be done here. And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to purchasers is male-dominated. Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met. Paul via phone On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely will do so again. My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not because they're sexualized by showing dirty parts. It's because there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I recall was something to the effect that, all I see here is gay soft-core porn. No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light, nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here: it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? I understand that an individual photographer will say, But I don't want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to photograph only female nudes. Fair enough. And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons which takes away from other aspects of their being. I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right. I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for you indulgence. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I will note that as I understand it, Bruce's nudes were women who specifically asked him to photograph them, not women that he solicited to be nude models. I'm willing to bet that he has never turned down a nude model because of the plumbing between their legs. Quite so. I have been approached recently by two women to do nude photography (2nd one in planning stages) and zero males. However only recently has my Model Mayhem account reflected an interest in such shooting so it's still early days. If the right kind of TF shoot was proposed by a male model, I would take it on. I will start approaching models for paid shoots (not just nude) as my skills improve and my desire to do specific projects increases. I will admit to a strong bias toward females though. Just the way it is. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I will argue that the principles of light and composition for a male body are the same as for a female, and as long as sexuality is not of concern, then shooting a man is the same as shooting a woman. I would even propose that you talk to one of your models about doing a photo session of her and her boyfriend. Pose and photograph her, then photograph him in the same pose. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: I respect your position and having equality also in this regard would be good (at least for the ladies on the list g), I disagree with that, as I doubt they'd be interested in male nudes any more than female nudes and probably a lot less. Most women AFAICT are not interested in viewing images of nude males. I know a number (straight) who happily look at female nudes. it would be difficult to achieve. Maybe you could start by posting some BMX bikers doing tricks with naked upper body. Lighting that in an erotic way goes much beyond my abilities so don't ask me how to do it. Maybe Bruce would know:) My guess would be to oil up the upper bodies of said males and let me light them using Maxim-style lighting: strong side lighting for definition, front fill, and a spot on the face. You'd get a very 3D effect, with emphasized musculature, sweat and all. I think some ladies might swoon. If you want to contact some male models and scout a location, I'll bring the gear. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good gawd no, Larry. You only do that for sheer comedy. Here's what happens when you pose men like women: http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/alicia-mariah-elfving-ducati-dealership Try to view that with a straight face. I dare you! ;-) More seriously: watch how the pros pose men vs women. They even have gender names for the poses. There are enormous differences and you don't want to feminize men (unless you want a punch in the nose) or in general, masculinize women (ubless they ask you to or it's for effect). On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I will argue that the principles of light and composition for a male body are the same as for a female, and as long as sexuality is not of concern, then shooting a man is the same as shooting a woman. I would even propose that you talk to one of your models about doing a photo session of her and her boyfriend. Pose and photograph her, then photograph him in the same pose. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I agree with Mark. MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Frank et al, I was trying to avoid jumping in, but how do you define equality. Is it necessary to count before allowing a picture to be shown? Or is it necessary to provide some limit on any picture. Can we submit male dog pictures without female subjects for ?balance. This is and has been an interesting discussion covering some VERY interesting points. As a one time philosophy major I find some interjections and sub-discussions very interesting, even though they seem to have drifted a bit off- course once in a while. But be honestAren't the directions of drifts interesting in their own right? I am not sure that balance is needed. An agreement that some sub-discussions may wander off course is only an indication of the diversity that seems, at least most of the time, to make this one of the more interesting groups. If a picture of a rotten egg does not stir you, there are more interesting pictures ahead and behind it. A deep breath and and an occasional grin suffice. John G A hidden reader, most of the time. On 11/25/2013 3:41 PM, knarf wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! Cheers, frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 25 Nov 2013, at 19:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/25/2013 1:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote: The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different. ...and why do you think they're different? Because they're so easily distinguishable. And if they're not easily distinguishable, they could be transsexuals. I'm wondering: If we give equal exposure to male nudes, shouldn't we also give equal exposure to transsexuals? And maybe break that down into categories: per-op and post-op transsexuals? Male to female and female to male transsexuals? Hmmm. Equality sure can get complicated these days. That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving' exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if you don't want to. All those people are 'us'. Of course. My tongue was firmly planted in cheek. Paul PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)
Balance. I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to messenger parties once in a while: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy. ;-) Comments? If you must. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: As the named precipitator of this thread I better weigh in before the puns start in earnest. :-) First I must say I'm _quite_ relieved that your issue is of a general nature rather than being something I'm specifically doing. I was beginning to fear I was offending you with frequent depictions of undraped windows. Then let me say Frank that I think the PDML sample size is simply too small to be representative of the world in general. If there were many more PESO contributors here I think a male nude might have been posted by now. As it is, I may eventually have the honour of granting your wish as I work my way through the local model list and my personal projects. I am a big fan of Mapplethorpe and his figure studies (his lighting and bw toning is meticulous and exquisite) and I want to improve in that direction. When I get a chance to shoot a buff, body-building male I will go for it. If you were to look just at the Flickr world (I know you're not a fan, but it's an example) you would find a lot of male nudes. They are numerous and varied. But Flickr is a huge community compared to the PDML. It just happens that nobody here is interested in shooting male nudes. My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I could be wrong, but I think I'm also in good company that way. And I think it boils down to sexual attraction mechanisms in typical humans. Unlike other species, among humans the females expend huge amounts of energy and time making themselves visually attractive to males. Males spend very little time in comparison reciprocating. And unsurprisingly, male humans are hardwired to be sexually stimulated by images, especially images of females. The reverse doesn't apply: there are plenty of studies that show that women are not turned on by viewing male erotica to the same extent as men are by female erotica. In fact, penises are considered by most people of both sexes to be amusing, funny looking and/or simply ugly. But women's bodies are universally admired by both sexes. Look around you: at least two dozen beauty, hair, and nails shops exist to every one barber shop. But at least 12 dozen men's porn and erotic magazines to every one woman's. (Is Playgirl still even published?) How many women's clothing stores exist for every one man's? It's just the way it is. Everyone, men and women, think images of females are esthetically pleasing, but only very specific images of men are (eg hunky actors and bodybuilders). For myself, I think your quest is worthy of a Cervantes character. :-) Oh yeah: then there's the issue of the PDML list itself. I could be mistaken, but I find I get a pretty lukewarm reception to images of models fully clothed, and downright chilly to semi-nude and nude ones. Posting anything pornier than that (and uncovered genitals would be interpreted that way I fear) could bring out the pitchforks and torches. I can't be the only PESO pusher who has had that reaction. The PDML has no appetite for it. I posted some tasteful rear-view candle-lit female nudes about a dozen years ago. From the lefties I got the objectifying women spiel and from the other end of the spectrum I got the children might be looking nonsense. It got ugly, and I left the list for a while. Not all the whiners, BTW, were U.S. residents. Paul I know that you're not a prude, Frank, and I'm certainly not either. But I think the list contains a large percentage of, if not prudes, then folks uncomfortable viewing nudes. Maybe it's the large percentage USA makeup? [There. I said it. :-) That should breathe new life into this thread.] On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: And I'll say it again: I am not saying there needs to be equality. Just a bit of balance. I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! Cheers, frank -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:04:09PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: Good gawd no, Larry. You only do that for sheer comedy. Here's what happens when you pose men like women: http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/alicia-mariah-elfving-ducati-dealership Try to view that with a straight face. I dare you! ;-) I think that that page goes a long way to pointing out some of the ridiculousness that is common in photographing women. I suppose that I should have said equivalent rather than the the same pose. More seriously: watch how the pros pose men vs women. They even have And there are differences between the way they will post people of the same sex or gender with different builds. I'm a big fan of both Weston's and Cunningham's nudes, so I did a google image search on cunningham nude, there are a lot of her pictures that would work equally well with men in similar poses. gender names for the poses. There are enormous differences and you don't want to feminize men (unless you want a punch in the nose) or in general, masculinize women (ubless they ask you to or it's for effect). For example, here are Candice's photos of me: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=75558245@N00q=larry And some of my photos of a friend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625920855489/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629250099556/ The second set mostly involves poses that I simply could not get into, even at my most flexible, and even so may not work as well with the male form, even beyond flexibility, but I think that most of the poses of me would work nearly as well with women as with a guy, and likewise I think that most of the poses in the first set of my friend are fairly gender neutral. This, by the way, from the second set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6845930276/in/set-72157629250099556 Is one of my favorite of all my photos On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I will argue that the principles of light and composition for a male body are the same as for a female, and as long as sexuality is not of concern, then shooting a man is the same as shooting a woman. I would even propose that you talk to one of your models about doing a photo session of her and her boyfriend. Pose and photograph her, then photograph him in the same pose. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)
Well there you go. That one makes up for a lot of tasteful female nudes. On Nov 25, 2013, at 7:23 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Balance. I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to messenger parties once in a while: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy. ;-) Comments? If you must. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Nov 25, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:04:09PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: Good gawd no, Larry. You only do that for sheer comedy. Here's what happens when you pose men like women: http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/alicia-mariah-elfving-ducati-dealership Try to view that with a straight face. I dare you! ;-) I think that that page goes a long way to pointing out some of the ridiculousness that is common in photographing women. I suppose that I should have said equivalent rather than the the same pose. More seriously: watch how the pros pose men vs women. They even have And there are differences between the way they will post people of the same sex or gender with different builds. I'm a big fan of both Weston's and Cunningham's nudes, so I did a google image search on cunningham nude, there are a lot of her pictures that would work equally well with men in similar poses. gender names for the poses. There are enormous differences and you don't want to feminize men (unless you want a punch in the nose) or in general, masculinize women (ubless they ask you to or it's for effect). For example, here are Candice's photos of me: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=75558245@N00q=larry Not really nudes. Just shapes. And some of my photos of a friend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625920855489/ Ditto. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629250099556/ These are feminine in nature, and IMO wouldn't work well with a male body, unless, of course, effeminate was the objective. (And that's a credible goal, but it's not the way men usually want to be seen.) The second set mostly involves poses that I simply could not get into, even at my most flexible, and even so may not work as well with the male form, even beyond flexibility, but I think that most of the poses of me would work nearly as well with women as with a guy, and likewise I think that most of the poses in the first set of my friend are fairly gender neutral. This, by the way, from the second set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6845930276/in/set-72157629250099556 Is one of my favorite of all my photos Very nice, but it would be strange with a male model. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up to now: no interest. So sue me. I will argue that the principles of light and composition for a male body are the same as for a female, and as long as sexuality is not of concern, then shooting a man is the same as shooting a woman. I would even propose that you talk to one of your models about doing a photo session of her and her boyfriend. Pose and photograph her, then photograph him in the same pose. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)
I think I'll be safe posting a _lot_ more female nudity now. :-) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Well there you go. That one makes up for a lot of tasteful female nudes. On Nov 25, 2013, at 7:23 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Balance. I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to messenger parties once in a while: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy. ;-) Comments? If you must. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)
This is one instance where even more grain and less sharpness would be quite acceptable -- desirable even. ;-) It's actually pretty amusing and gives me new respect for your ability to get invited to really happening parties. Nobody ever gets naked at any parties _I'm_ invited to. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Balance. I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to messenger parties once in a while: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy. ;-) Comments? If you must. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
long thread. by popular demand: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25268645/well-hung-4740.jpg interested in expression, gesture. nudes too artificial. Godfrey — flickr: http;//www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah: then there's the issue of the PDML list itself. I could be mistaken, but I find I get a pretty lukewarm reception to images of models fully clothed, and downright chilly to semi-nude and nude ones. Posting anything pornier than that (and uncovered genitals would be interpreted that way I fear) could bring out the pitchforks and torches. I can't be the only PESO pusher who has had that reaction. The PDML has no appetite for it. I posted some tasteful rear-view candle-lit female nudes about a dozen years ago. From the lefties I got the objectifying women spiel and from the other end of the spectrum I got the children might be looking nonsense. It got ugly, and I left the list for a while. Not all the whiners, BTW, were U.S. residents. As I have not received any negative reactions to my recent images (and heaven knows I've tried to provoke some) then I suggest that the PDML has improved in the last 12 years. On nude images it has gone from open hostility to cold indifference. ;-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Golden Bridge (not Golden Gate!) -- Revised
I reworked the contrast and the levels (black) a bit, and possibly played with sharpening (although I think that remained almost the same). Here is the reloaded version: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639.jpg That seems to have made it looking more crisp. Here is the previous version: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639_1.jpg Further comments are still welcome. I also did a similar treatment for the second bridge, Russky: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09674.jpg Igor Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:56:25 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Roshchin Attila, The conference was Euro-Asian Symposium Trends in MAGnetism (EASTMag-2013). It was held on the same campus where APEC was held in 2012, on Russky Island. Now it is a campus of Far Eastern Federal University.. As for sharpening, - I am not sure, - I've done some substantial sharpening in LR, but I am afraid to oversharpen. Igor Sun Nov 24 10:56:03 EST 2013 Attila Boros wrote: Interesting architecture and good composition. A little more sharpening may help. What was the conference about? Bruce, I hope it is not the lens, - at least I haven't seen anything wrong with it in other shots since that. Unless, of course, it is the night-flare effect. - It is FA-35/2.0. I don't remember what was the air condition that day. Based on all shots from that night, I suspect that it was probably a combination of the the city-lights polution with some haze in the air, leading to diffuse light in the shot. Here is the other bridge, Russky at a distance: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09674.jpg . It has even more of that haze. That haze must've spread even into the message, causing the name confusion. Don't worry about it... :-) (No, I'm not Byrom.. err. Boris, I am, yet, another...) :-) [Boris will get this reference] Igor Sun Nov 24 10:21:12 EST 2013 Bruce Walker wrote: Fascinating view, Boris. Beautiful architecture there. It looks a little indistinct to me though -- lens issues or haze? On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: Even though some people call Vladivostok Russian San Francisco, this bridge is not Golden Gate, but is called Zolotoy which means golden in Russian. It is called this way because it is built across Zolotoj Rog (Golden Horn) bay. http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639.jpg It was one of the two bridges built for the 2012 APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) summit. The other one, - Russky Bridge, built across Eastern Bosphorus strait is seen in the background. That one is the world's longest cable-stayed bridge, with a 1104 m (3622 ft.) long central span. I attended a scientific conference in Vladivostok (on Russky island) two months ago, and had a few chances to take photos that I am going through now. All comments (and suggestions) are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Good news Bad news... help needed regarding the bad news
Good news - Remember that plant I had that flowered on my birthday?well it is flowering again! But the bad news is Thunderbird stopped working today - that is, I can't log in to my email . Road Runner help said it had to be reconfigured - but the tech didnt know how.. so I when to Thunderbird help - but to get it you have to register... and since you have to register you have to use those illegible things and I couldnt read ANY of them nor could I understand the audio. can anyone help me here?? I can get my web mail - but I really need my mail to be on my PC the way I structure things - I'm going nuts. I wrote this to THe THunderbird help folk ___ Roadrunner/Time-Warner guy says I have to change configuration of Thunderbird to work with their latest upgrade that they slapped on without warning :-( - I'm a bit techno-idiot in this generation of computers. I'm running WIndoze XP on a Dell dimension desktop - though the hardware shouldn't matter, I would think. my email address is ann...@nyc.rr.com - that is my ONLY email address. I can access my roadrunner mail on line but I prefer not to. Every bit of mail I get I download to my PC nothing stays on the server and Thunderbird is also my filing system for remembering everything so it is critical I can get it back up. HELP! T I A ann the distressed ___ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: TA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:04:09PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: Good gawd no, Larry. You only do that for sheer comedy. Here's what happens when you pose men like women: http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/alicia-mariah-elfving-ducati-dealership Try to view that with a straight face. I dare you! ;-) I think that that page goes a long way to pointing out some of the ridiculousness that is common in photographing women. I suppose that I should have said equivalent rather than the the same pose. Ridiculous? Really? They are glamour shots. The woman looks _amazing_. Look, you and are just wired differently, Larry. :-) For example, here are Candice's photos of me: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=75558245@N00q=larry In a few of those you look just like a burger and fries. Mm. And some of my photos of a friend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625920855489/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629250099556/ The second set mostly involves poses that I simply could not get into, even at my most flexible, and even so may not work as well with the male form, even beyond flexibility, but I think that most of the poses of me would work nearly as well with women as with a guy, and likewise I think that most of the poses in the first set of my friend are fairly gender neutral. I dunno. Not convinced. But as I say I haven't studied enough male nudes to really know. It's just one of those things one has to practice to get right. This, by the way, from the second set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6845930276/in/set-72157629250099556 Is one of my favorite of all my photos It's very good. I like it too. But I wouldn't pose a male that way in a million years. Unless he had really great boobs. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Evening Shift Snack
It's a nice little slice of street life shot, Rick. I like the light and the composition a lot. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Along the Avenue of the Americas: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610339size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life in the Snow
I do like that, Frank. Just the right amount of snow in the air to be nicely seen but not obscure the foreground. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:44 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: We got a teeny bit of snow on the weekend. It's all but gone now, at least it is down here by the lake. More significantly we are having wintry temps now. It was around -10C this morning which is cold for Toronto in November. Anyway, haven't taken many pix lately. This one from about five years ago reminded me of this weekend's dusting: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2009/01/shopping-in-snow.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DXO does the K3....was..Fwd: Re: K-3 review as seen through the eyes of the PF
I love it when I'm prescient. http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Pentax-K-3-versus-Pentax-K-5-IIs-versus-Pentax-K7___914_830_615 The K3 tests out at 13.4 stops of dynamic range, compared to the K5 at 14.1. By comparison, the K7 is 10.6. Interestingly, the K3 measures very slightly higher (effectively the same) at their high ISO measurement (highest ISO to maintain 30db of noise and 9 stops of DR). bill Original Message Subject: Re: K-3 review as seen through the eyes of the PF Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:43:27 -0600 From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fair enough. I delayed this reply in hopes that DXO would do the K3 fairly soon, but it looks like this will not be the case. I am guessing that when they do test the K3, that it will turn in really close to the K5 at base ISO, I would think in the 13.5 range. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Evening Shift Snack
Thanks, Bruce! Rick On Nov 25, 2013, at 20:21 , Bruce Walker wrote: It's a nice little slice of street life shot, Rick. I like the light and the composition a lot. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Along the Avenue of the Americas: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610339size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Golden Bridge (not Golden Gate!) -- Revised
It looks to me as though making the sky blacker is the key difference. It works a lot better. Very nice shot! Rick On Nov 25, 2013, at 20:12 , Igor Roshchin wrote: I reworked the contrast and the levels (black) a bit, and possibly played with sharpening (although I think that remained almost the same). Here is the reloaded version: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639.jpg That seems to have made it looking more crisp. Here is the previous version: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639_1.jpg Further comments are still welcome. I also did a similar treatment for the second bridge, Russky: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09674.jpg Igor Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:56:25 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Roshchin Attila, The conference was Euro-Asian Symposium Trends in MAGnetism (EASTMag-2013). It was held on the same campus where APEC was held in 2012, on Russky Island. Now it is a campus of Far Eastern Federal University.. As for sharpening, - I am not sure, - I've done some substantial sharpening in LR, but I am afraid to oversharpen. Igor Sun Nov 24 10:56:03 EST 2013 Attila Boros wrote: Interesting architecture and good composition. A little more sharpening may help. What was the conference about? Bruce, I hope it is not the lens, - at least I haven't seen anything wrong with it in other shots since that. Unless, of course, it is the night-flare effect. - It is FA-35/2.0. I don't remember what was the air condition that day. Based on all shots from that night, I suspect that it was probably a combination of the the city-lights polution with some haze in the air, leading to diffuse light in the shot. Here is the other bridge, Russky at a distance: http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09674.jpg . It has even more of that haze. That haze must've spread even into the message, causing the name confusion. Don't worry about it... :-) (No, I'm not Byrom.. err. Boris, I am, yet, another...) :-) [Boris will get this reference] Igor Sun Nov 24 10:21:12 EST 2013 Bruce Walker wrote: Fascinating view, Boris. Beautiful architecture there. It looks a little indistinct to me though -- lens issues or haze? On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: Even though some people call Vladivostok Russian San Francisco, this bridge is not Golden Gate, but is called Zolotoy which means golden in Russian. It is called this way because it is built across Zolotoj Rog (Golden Horn) bay. http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09639.jpg It was one of the two bridges built for the 2012 APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) summit. The other one, - Russky Bridge, built across Eastern Bosphorus strait is seen in the background. That one is the world's longest cable-stayed bridge, with a 1104 m (3622 ft.) long central span. I attended a scientific conference in Vladivostok (on Russky island) two months ago, and had a few chances to take photos that I am going through now. All comments (and suggestions) are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago
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